faking his death?

[Memphisgurl]

hey everyone

i was wondering, what do you all think of the theorie that elvis faked his death? i find it rediculus, but its weird, i have read some really convincing evidence. but i doubt its believable.

[Wendy56]

I've also read some things that seems to be true, but... It's so hard to believe "the king" did fake his death. (My humble opinion). I'd love to know he's alive yet. :( Well, he lives inside of all our hearts. (y)

[Tommy]

Very nice Wendy,

He does live in all our hearts. (y)

Tommy :)

[joanne]

Complete rubbish.

[Memphisgurl]

its just so weird, like ive read about sooo many convincing things you know. but i agree with u wendy, he does and will forever!

:king: REMEMBER THE KING!:king:

[wheels_02]

Personally, I don't think that Elvis faked his own death. I do not for one minute think that Elvis would put his family, friends, and fans through that. All of these people meant so much to him. Elvis is very much alive in our hearts and we miss him terribly. Elvis may be gone... but he is not forgotten!

[KPM]

Its another way to make a buck and cash in. Joe Espesto put it well, he said" I was there I tried to revive him, all this does is get the hopes of Elvis fans up. I wish people would quit bringing up these things because alot of it is just to sell something"
The nurse who cared for him many times at Baptist Memorial was on a local radio show a couple years ago to confront a psychiatrist who claimed he was treating Elvis from Kansas City. She became angry and emotional telling him he was a disgrace to the medical profession. She cryed and told him "I was there!
I know what I saw! I helped the crash team work on him! I removed his personal items for the family! Stop this lie!" She is retired and lives on a small pension. She was very believable & sincere and the shrink hung up.

[Memphisgurl]

thank you for all your responses, i agree with all of them, elvis would NEVER fake his own death, at least i dont think so, i agree kpm, he wouldnt do that to his family. as much as we would wish that he WAS alive, it simply isnt true. ELVIS we all love you and miss you, u will always be on our minds,


TCB 4 EVER!

[Raised on Rock]

Sure, hes alive... we went to the movies last night, he and my girlfiend and a friend of him; hes quite old now, but still he is fun to go out.

[0349054]

Unfortunately Elvis is dead. People who chose to believe otherwise, I genuinely feel sorry for. Elvis died, and those books on him being alive are about as fictional as some of Dan Brown's work.

[Wendy56]

Thank you Adrianna and Tommy! Elvis will live forever. :clap:

[THENATUREBOY]

if elvis would have faked his death he would have found a better way to go instead of him dying in the bathroom.

[Wendy56]

if elvis would have faked his death he would have found a better way to go instead of him dying in the bathroom.

Interesting... :hmm: Sounds like you're right.

[THENATUREBOY]

thank you, thank you very much wendy :)

[jason7890]

No Way I Personaly Think Elvis Is Gone.more The Pity.

[ad schijven]

This is ridiculous, Elvis died in 1977 and all the story about him being alive are rubbisch.....another sick way to make money !!!(n)
Who needs Gail Brewer Giorgio anyway?:cursing:

[GirlHappy19]

Personally, I don't think that Elvis faked his own death. I do not for one minute think that Elvis would put his family, friends, and fans through that. All of these people meant so much to him. Elvis is very much alive in our hearts and we miss him terribly. Elvis may be gone... but he is not forgotten!

I do agree.Elvis would never do that to us.Not only us,his fans,but his friends.I have seing them cry.And His beloved father's speech on the cbs special.no way man.Vernon made me cry.you could see the pain in his eyes.Poor guy.:(

ML:sad:

[LovinLife]

Yes, I agree. Elvis is gone and he loved his family too much to put them through that pain.

[Awickedreigndrop]

As much as I hate to say it, Elvis is gone. All those who keep saying he's alive and well,(Like my best friend's mother's friend... she's kinda Koo Koo) are hurting his fans and family even more every time they bring it up. It's like reopening a wound. If he is alive, wouldn't you think someone... one of his fans maybe, would have found him by now? It's been 29 years, he would have been found. It is true that he lives on in our hearts and I'm sure that he's up there somewhere looking down on all of us. He's probably laughing right now about this subject. :king:

[polksaladhasie]

Awickedreigndrop that?s the same for me, when I talk to people which do not know that I?m a fan, their standard "talking" "Hey Elvis is alive..." they?re just kidding ... (nerving.. (n) )

I think he?s dead. He?ll never fake his death, he wouldn?t be able in 1977 for doing that I think because his healthy. His body and his healthy were not soo good, that he could do that. That?s my opinion.

Elvis lives in our hearts on :'( and that for eternity :blush: :clap:

[ForeverTheKing]

Its another way to make a buck and cash in. Joe Espesto put it well, he said" I was there I tried to revive him, all this does is get the hopes of Elvis fans up. I wish people would quit bringing up these things because alot of it is just to sell something"
The nurse who cared for him many times at Baptist Memorial was on a local radio show a couple years ago to confront a psychiatrist who claimed he was treating Elvis from Kansas City. She became angry and emotional telling him he was a disgrace to the medical profession. She cryed and told him "I was there!
I know what I saw! I helped the crash team work on him! I removed his personal items for the family! Stop this lie!" She is retired and lives on a small pension. She was very believable & sincere and the shrink hung up.

I knew about this woman.I saw her in a documentary about Elvis death...she was so upset to talk about the last moments at the hospital.:'(
ELVIS IS DEAD!!How all these people could have lied for so many years?His family, friends and so on?:hmm:
Why can people tell this stupid stories?Look at Vernon's face at the CBS special, when he thanks people for sending cards after Elvis' death...he couldn't hardly talk. He would be a great actor!!!:lol:
The same thing Lisa Marie in EBTP.
I read so many stupid stories about this..."Elvis now lives in his bedroom...this is the reason why the keep it closed to public"...or..."Elvis lives in a desert island somewhere"...as I also read funny stories about Jessie Garon and the fact he wasn't died at birth but Gladys gave him away because they were poor and couldn't keep 2 children. Pleaseeeeeeeeee:lmfao:
People should try to shut up and think to earn money in another way.
Leave Elvis resting in peace!:'(
Although it's sad for me...Elvis left us in 1977; he couldn't have lived so many years without music and away from his fans...

[elvislady]

this is what i found on the subject:mad: i cant belive that some people think he is still alive.(n) http://www.elvispresleynews.com/HadElvisLived.html
elvislady

[0349054]

Oh yeah Elvis faked his death........I met him walking down the street yesterday...hell of a nice guy.

It's such a shame people are so naive about things as to believe Elvis faked his death. Guess JFK and Marilyn are getting it on in New Mexico then as well?!

[EnigmaticSun]

Oh yeah Elvis faked his death........I met him walking down the street yesterday...hell of a nice guy.

It's such a shame people are so naive about things as to believe Elvis faked his death. Guess JFK and Marilyn are getting it on in New Mexico then as well?!

You're right.. Well put with humor..! (y)

I guess Hitler and Stalin are also enjoying dinner in New Mexico.. :lmfao:

[ELVIS_FAN_1968]

I THINK ELVIS IS ALIVE I HAVE SOMETHING I DOWNLOADED THAT COULD PROVE HE IS.



hey everyone

i was wondering, what do you all think of the theorie that elvis faked his death? i find it rediculus, but its weird, i have read some really convincing evidence. but i doubt its believable.

[ForeverTheKing]

I THINK ELVIS IS ALIVE I HAVE SOMETHING I DOWNLOADED THAT COULD PROVE HE IS.


Elvis is DEAD!:lol:

I've seen a clip too, taken by a fan, about Elvis image behind a window looking the fans walking in the Meditation Garden....but it's something too strange...if Elvis had wanted to fake his death he would have never been there, next to people, who could see him.....:lmfao:

But maybe you have something else...anyway, I have my own opinion...

[Geert]

Check out: http://www.elvislives.net/
These guys have the proof:blink: allong with some conspiracy-crap they have found a cd with new Elvis recordings, and guess what, you can buy it from them: only $19,95:lmfao:

[franny]

Check out: http://www.elvislives.net/
These guys have the proof:blink: allong with some conspiracy-crap they have found a cd with new Elvis recordings, and guess what, you can buy it from them: only $19,95:lmfao:

Of course, they have proof, but it will cost you to see it....:lol:
It always comes down to $$$$$$...
Why don't they just let Elvis rest in peace...

franny

[Albert]

I can imagine suicide or even the wish of faking his death..... but actually faking it? No, I don't believe Elvis could organize something like that pretty much by himself.

Elvis relied on others to make decisions. Just look at the way he let others decide what movies to play in, what songs to record for the soundtracks, how many shows to do in VEgas, etc. the few times he actually decided to do someting himself are historical descisions (NBC special, some of the tracks he wanted to perform during the Memphis sessions, his meeting with Nixon...)

[Lee82]

It's sad that there are people out there who believe Elvis is still alive. And I hate it how the media always makes it like most Elvis fans believe these ridiculous conspiracies. I mean, when you read most articles about Elvis, they usually start with, "Many believe he's still alive..." :cursing: I would think that the Elvis fans who deny his death are in the minority, but one of the stereotypes of Elvis fans is that we're all having sightings of him at Burger King. :rolleyes:

[FlamingStar]

Check out: http://www.elvislives.net/
These guys have the proof:blink: allong with some conspiracy-crap they have found a cd with new Elvis recordings, and guess what, you can buy it from them: only $19,95:lmfao:


They just ripp people off. The cd includes songs from an Elvis impersonator called Doug Church. Belive it or not, but his voice is just like Elvis' voice!
When i first heard samples of "I Can Help", i thought it was Elvis.
Check out samples at this site:


http://www.dougchurchusa.com/Pages/Music/MusicSamp.htm

(y)

[JDD]

They just ripp people off. The cd includes songs from an Elvis impersonator called Doug Church. Belive it or not, but his voice is just like Elvis' voice!
When i first heard samples of "I Can Help", i thought it was Elvis.
Check out samples at this site:


http://www.dougchurchusa.com/Pages/Music/MusicSamp.htm

(y)



They've done that over the years with everyone from Jimmy "Orion" Ellis to Ronnie McDowell . I don't know why we should expect it. There is a Black Woman in New Jersey still walking around Trenton claiming she was the Lindbergh Baby (No joke I've seen her speak at a book store) .

[Albert]

This guy is really, really doing a great job sounding like Elvis.... on many songs it sounds (of course) not as Elvis, but on a few (especially the mid 70s tracks) it sounds amazing: http://www.dougchurchusa.com/Images/Music/samples/music/J/JustALittleBit.mp3

[Geert]

I find it a bit spooky that Doughs voice is so close to Elvis, how weird is that, when you realize that your voice matches the most famous singer of al time:D
I also suspected that the cd I mentioned earlier was recorded by Dough ("The Voice Of Elvis"), I wanted to put this info with my last post but I couldnt remember Doughs name back then. Altough Doughs voice maybe naturaly almost matches Elvis's voice, in these days I think that with a computer and some special software it should be possible to do the same, the only difficulty is to pronounce the things as Elvis did and get the right accent and for exsample the typical S that Elvis had, but it can be done. Furthermore you also should have the right singing capaticity but I think that there are more people in the world who could reach the same notes as E. did. You won't need this capaticity if you just select the right songs for your own capaticity, not every Elvis song has his deep low voice on one part and a climax with high notes at the end.
Luckely you can't copy everything from an other person, and this makes it that al the fakes/impersonators out there just don't have "it" (no offence) and won't be as famous as Elvis altough a few of them realy perform well and make a good show.
I also once saw an imperonator who had completely studied Elvis's on stage moves such as seen in TTWII, Aloha etc., realy creepy, except for the suit, the singing and the guys face it looked like Elvis him self. Quite obsessive if you studie somebodies moves so well I think :P. Very nice to see but it's still not the real thing:)
There is -and always will be- only one King and thats the guy who sadly had to die on that august 16th, 1977 back at Graceland: Elvis A(a)ron Presley!:D

[franny]

I THINK ELVIS IS ALIVE I HAVE SOMETHING I DOWNLOADED THAT COULD PROVE HE IS.

I would be interested in seeing what you have....
I don't think he's alive, I wish, but there's no way...

franny

[moody_ blue]

give us the link of that clip that elvis is alive i want to see it to

[PiersEIN]

Nigel at EIN has written one of the most thorough investigations into ALL these conspiracy theories.

Go here, there's around 30 pages of information covering every crazy aspect.
It is a fascinating read.

http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_dna_beeny.html (http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_dna_beeny.html)

The Elvis world is full of very strange & wonderful people.

Cheers
Piers

[franny]

Thanks, Piers for posting the link....
It's interesting to read some of the theories, but I don't believe Elvis is alive...

I wonder why, there's so much talk about Elvis faking his death and being alive? There's others stars, maybe not as big, but you don't hear or read anything on them being alive or faking their death...

franny

[Danny Ocean]

I think that if we believe Elvis is still alive we don't see him as a person anymore. Some people have just a new job and family when they are 35. Elvis had a family, made dozens of movies and records. AND he played Las Vegas.. He had a life that was to fast.. It was like a train.. And that's why he died in 1977.. He lived a life that was to fast and to full..

[Lee82]

I wonder why, there's so much talk about Elvis faking his death and being alive? There's others stars, maybe not as big, but you don't hear or read anything on them being alive or faking their death...

franny

Some fans of the late rapper Tupac Shakur believe he faked his own death.

But yeah, the "Elvis is Alive" phenomenon is more well-known.

[GirlHappy19]

hey everyone

i was wondering, what do you all think of the theorie that elvis faked his death? i find it rediculus, but its weird, i have read some really convincing evidence. but i doubt its believable.


To those of you who wonder if Elvis faked his death,here are a few picture.They speak for themself.He would never put us thrugh that.so,please stop the doubt.
He lives in our hearts.:king:

Thank you very much Elvis:

[elvislady]

hi
heres some info from the tcb joe web site what do you think.
http://www.tcbjoe.com/TheElvisisaliverumor.mp3
elvislady

[elvis himselvis]

hello

You know when i saw the cbs tv special i thought elvis what happened to yourself but you can see that is elvis,but when i saw him at his death coiffin i thought is that really you????but i know that death people can change a lot and i'm talking about experience so i don't think he is faking his death.look how he'd look at the cbs tv special:'( very sad but he will always be the king :king:

[poormansgold]

Know what I was Thinking about Faking his own Death for years , up to 1988, went I An Tour Thru Graceland that year, and See his Grave , That's Peace of Mind about Fake is death went away.
let His Music talk and keep him live thru our Hearts and Soul, We needed Stop thinking He is Live, let Him Rest In Peace
Tom

[riley]

The Elvis I see in his latest concert and the Elvis in his coffin are soooo different:hmm: .

I never believed he faked his own death but I think the picture of Elvis in his coffin is faked.

He looks sooo different. I read it was just a painting, not a picture.
That explains a lot of course.

Did anyone here on the forum had the chance to pay him their last respects , please share with us what you saw and what you tought when seeing him.

Riley

[diamond]

To those of you who wonder if Elvis faked his death,here are a few picture.They speak for themself.He would never put us thrugh that.so,please stop the doubt.
He lives in our hearts.:king:

Thank you very much Elvis:


Beautiful pictures Girlhappy 19, I think Elvis looks serene in those pictures, and I totally agree with you, Elvis would not put his fan's through the agony of doing something like that

[Wild_In_The_Country]

The Elvis I see in his latest concert and the Elvis in his coffin are soooo different:hmm: .

I never believed he faked his own death but I think the picture of Elvis in his coffin is faked.

He looks sooo different. I read it was just a painting, not a picture.
That explains a lot of course.

Did anyone here on the forum had the chance to pay him their last respects , please share with us what you saw and what you tought when seeing him.

Riley

People look differant when they are inbalmed, What you are also forgetting is elvis has an autopsy aswell, so he would never go back to the coffin looking like he did when he passed away.

I have read the wax body storys etc. but if it was a wax body in the coffin i beleive it was only so Elvis' last public apperance to the world would be diginified.

[jak]

I really cant understand why people cant accept that it was in fact Elvis laying in that coffin.It was not a wax dummy or a faked photo.I cant recall seeing anyone in a coffin who looked liked they did before they died.It's just the way it is.Any stories of a faked death are garbage.If Elvis was going to fake his death Im sure his ego would have negated the entire bathroom scenario.
Jak

[presley]

Does anybody except to see elvis looking bloated in his coffin?, that wouldn't happen because of that stuff they do to the body before people can see it. I don't think don't people would of like to see elvis looking the way he died, l don't think it would be a pretty picture, l know l wouldn't want to see elvis the way he died. l think he's in heaven and not living in pain like he was in the last days of his life.

[riley]

he sure has peace now and he is with his mother and father and lots of friends.

He deserved to rest in peace.

[onlylooking]

The reason looks so much different between the two events...the last concert and photos of him in the coffin is this.At his last concert all that weight was mostly in his belly. The bloating in his face occurs when the heart is in distress.The body retains alot of water and bloats.It's a BIG sign of pending heart failure.I've seen it several times when I worked at a hospital years ago. Once he died ALOT of fluid is let out of the body and then once they go through the process of preserving the body, make- up applied, etc. the face will look alot different.There's no conspiracy, no cover ups.Elvis was human and died just like the rest of us have or will.He left a great legacy of music and gave alot of time and money to ALOT of great causes.He is missed and will always be missed by fans and family.I feel sorry for the family having to hear all these rumours and sightings that still pop up from time to time, I'm sure they still conjure up sad emotions from them.There are and have been many intriguing evidence presented over the years, like the gentleman who has the KODAK film taken at Graceland at the time of Elvis's death and in a room through a door or window there's a man who look alot like Elvis and there was noone there that looked liked Elvis.The film was supposed to be validated by Kodak itself saying the film was original and not tampered with, I never heard anymore about that.So it leaves the imagination to wonder.But that's all it is...imagination.Elvis is indeed gone and may he rest in peace.

[riley]

that was the infamous picture. It stays a mystery for sure...


http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2134/colordoorpb4.jpg

[poormansgold]

I will say one thing, That's not Elvis in that Picture , look at the Door, That's Someone at the Pool, The pool have Fence around It, If I'm right.
I been At Graceland in 1988, that's 11 years after his death, it haven't Change since his Death, I was At that point picture was taking, there I see
The pool In Door Window.
Let Him Rest In Peace And let his music go the taking
Tom

[vulcandude]

Sure, hes alive... we went to the movies last night, he and my girlfiend and a friend of him; hes quite old now, but still he is fun to go out.Actually, what you all don't know is he is my roommate here at the rehab center. He plays a mean game of bingo I'll tell you what.....we eat peanut butter and banana sandwiches a lot, and Lisa Marie comes by once in a while after everyone else is asleep to visit her father.......

[presley]

hehehe that a good one!!!!!!!!

[poormansgold]

Actually, what you all don't know is he is my roommate here at the rehab center. He plays a mean game of bingo I'll tell you what.....we eat peanut butter and banana sandwiches a lot, and Lisa Marie comes by once in a while after everyone else is asleep to visit her father.......

Good one Dude, I see him Come out Super K-mart with 12 pack of Diet Coke and With Burger Buns and Black Mild Ciger Light, He was waiting for his Limo. pick Him up, with his lips was holding on that ciger, he say Hi Dude what's up.
He go on about That day In August It Was Hot day he go on about things he did past 20 years, next we know his Limo was Here , He say thank you my friend. and say keep work on thoses Covers, one surpise he say See you in TCB Chat Room On Friday's, if my Wife let me. Next I know He was gone.
What You guys Think that, :lol:

[Awickedreigndrop]

My school has two news papers, one is the official university paper and the other one is from Milwaukee called MKE. So I'm reading the MKE paper while waiting for my class to start and I turned the page and there's this interview of this Elvis Tribute Artist and they asked him wheather he thought that Elvis was alive. This is what he said:

"My opinion is if he's gone, let him rest. If he's out there, why should we be trying to find him? He was trapped in a world of his own. If he did fake his own death to get away, there was a reason."

Despite the fact that I believe that Elvis is gone, I agree with this guy.

Here's the link:
http://www.mkeonline.com/story.asp?id=1400287

[Scatter0101]

Good Lord.........If you know ANYTHING about the man, there's NO WAY if he was faking his death he would do so in the way it went down.

As vain as Elvis was, as concerned about his image, as irrepressibly MACHO, there's NO WAY he thinks to himself.......

"Y'know..........I'm tired of all this. I'm going to fake my death and escape it all. Maybe I'll arrange it so that everyone will think I was found in the bathroom, pitched over in front of the commode with my pajamas around my ankles. Yeah.........THAT'S how I want to be remembered. And the jokes that would engender would be SO funny. People will sure remember me with a smile!!

HEY..........Maybe I'll do it all with Lisa in the house too. 9 year olds are such good secret-keepers. Not to mention that I'm SURE the Memphis Mafia will never tell. Nope........they'd NEVER let out ANY secrets about me!!":blink:

People, please..........if you know anything about the man, if he decided to fake his death, he would have himself die raiding a drug ring while flashing his DEA badge. He would swoop in and singlehandedly karate the whole gang into submission, then be shot while trying to protect a toddler that wandered into the drug den .

THAT's how Elvis Presley would have faked his death..............going out in a blaze of drug-fighting, karate chopping, heroic glory.

NOT slipping away in the loo with his pants around his ankles.

He was a great, compassionate, generous, wonderful man. A monumental talent who lost his way at the end. He rolled the dice once too often in an attempt to escape the pain of a life that was rapidly falling apart.

Period. I hope he's found the peace he was seeking.

[diamond]

:notworthy

Amen to that

[riley]

He was a great, compassionate, generous, wonderful man. A monumental talent who lost his way at the end. He rolled the dice once too often in an attempt to escape the pain of a life that was rapidly falling apart.

Period. I hope he's found the peace he was seeking.



Could not say it any better here.

[Unchained Melody]

It sadden me deeply that some people actually believe that Elvis is still alive today. Imho, stories like these are completely bogus and are made up for one reason - $$$$ -!

[poormansgold]

my last post was to be funny . something that been going around 29 years now.
liked this one woman saying she saw him in Burnger King In K-zoo , Michigan. That's was rumor .
I been in K-zoo, it is small city that time, now it's got bigger .there no way
I go to news Paper, Tell them A story , I did On here, not for Million Dollars
He Is Gone, He is On My Heart.
Tom

[poormansgold]

Few years ago, I got Tickets For new 1968 DVD, See it On big Screen , There are People Took Pictures of It like He Was Live and Live show, Think God I'm not liked That, Don't getr me wrong, I love Elvis liked another Elvis Fan. I don't go Hog Wild, something like that. I collect his Music only, maybe
few things got Elvis on it

Tom

[Awickedreigndrop]

It's sad, but it's the hopeful that wishes he was still alive. I kinda wished he was myself being born four years after his death. I wish I could have exprianced him in concert. You know, have that rush of being at a concert of your favorite artist... walking out the arena deaf. Well, that's what happened to me after I went to a Justina concert (Justin Timberlake & Christina Aguliera)

What I don't get is the people who are not Elvis fans, people who know nothing about him talking about that he's alive walking somewhere. Take my Best friend's mother's friend (I know a mouth full) She doesn't listen to the man's music, know's even less about his history yet she fervantly believes that he's alive somewhere. What's up with that?

I highly doubt that he would fake it, it'll be kinda heartless thing to do knowing all the pain that it would cause.

[GirlHappy19]

Let me jump in the subject here and add that are a few things,if not alot that makes me think that he is alive.There are a few things(weird things)going on in Graceland.I always have watch the Webcam of Graceland and I have seing a guy wondering around the front lawn....and then enter the front door.Not too long ago there was a woman walking in the yard a later a guy join her.This was almost when they're about to turn on the lights.Also a red sports cars pull in the driveway and two guys got off.Also the night before least the shot off the webcam..the one with the close up....while the other light was left on.This happend while a long limo drove up to Graceland:doh: :hmm: I don't know what to think anymore......I have been reading alot on the subjet and the more I read the more confussed I get.I'd like to think that he would not do something like that to us.....is inhuman.:king:

GirlHappy19:newyear:

[presley]

that's strange, but l don't think elvis is alive.

[jak]

I feel sorry for the people who still think Elvis is alive.They are hiding from reality for some reason.Do people really think they are seeing Elvis cavorting around Graceland being filmed by it's webcam?That's just sad and embarrassing.
Jak

[Unchained Melody]

I feel sorry for the people who still think Elvis is alive.They are hiding from reality for some reason.Do people really think they are seeing Elvis cavorting around Graceland being filmed by it's webcam?That's just sad and embarrassing.
Jak

Thats exactly how I feel about it Jak...it's just sad...

[Awickedreigndrop]

Thats exactly how I feel about it Jak...it's just sad...

Y'all think that's bad? Take a look at this! http://www.elviswanted.com/(n)

[Unchained Melody]

Y'all think that's bad? Take a look at this! http://www.elviswanted.com/(n)

It is things like this that make me disgusted !! I can not understand why someone would want to have a site like this...it is so disrespectful in so many ways (n) !

[elpfan]

I'd like to think that he would not do something like that to us.....is inhuman.:king:

It is remarks such as this which I find most disturbing about the topic of Elvis possibly faking his death.

It is remarkable that people who claim to love Elvis, who discuss him, who analyze every detail of his personal life and career, who love his music and movies, who buy anything and everything ELVIS . . . are the same folks who become outraged, indignant at the mere mention that maybe he faked his death, left his previous life behind, and found true happiness, peace, and contentment. And they are angry simply because they view such action as a personal betrayal. :hmm:

[Diane]

It wouldn't feel like a betrayal to me if I found out that Elvis had faked his death and was happy enjoying his life somewhere - I'd be tickled to death for him! But I don't believe he did that for a minute.(n)

[elpfan]

But I don't believe he did that for a minute.(n)

Why is that?

[Diane]

Because I think Elvis was too far gone physically and mentally to have been able to plan such a thing at the end and would have had to have extensive plastic surgery as he was too recognizable. Also he loved the stage and his audiences and felt he had to keep on working to support everyone around him. I don't think he was capable of walking out on them.

[ajr]

It is remarks such as this which I find most disturbing about the topic of Elvis possibly faking his death.

It is remarkable that people who claim to love Elvis, who discuss him, who analyze every detail of his personal life and career, who love his music and movies, who buy anything and everything ELVIS . . . are the same folks who become outraged, indignant at the mere mention that maybe he faked his death, left his previous life behind, and found true happiness, peace, and contentment. And they are angry simply because they view such action as a personal betrayal. :hmm:
I agree with you, elpfan.......
Let everyone believe what they find to be truth for themselves.
As to anyone making $$$ off Elvis, it's sure NOT the ones that believe he is alive. It's the ones that claim to "know all" about him.......including EPE and
most of the MM. {even though most of the MM were NOT there or even went to the funeral} IF one wants to "study Elvis"........study it all !!
Nigel {from EIN} & i have disagreed on many things . But, you notice he keeps looking , reading & interviewing .;) One can keep an open mind and have different opinions. Just because someone considers the possibility of Elvis not dying in 1977; in no way makes them crazy or someone to laugh at.
Unless you were there ; there's really no way you can know either .

Also, as to the "bathroom death scene".....Ginger said 8/16/77 that it looked like he fell off his lounge chair ; NOT the commode .
Thanks to Goldman ; that crazy story has been embellished on.
Read your history, folks .(y)

[jak]

Anybody that believes Elvis didnt die that day deserves to be laughed at.Im sorry but those people need help.I hate to even argue this point but I feel compelled to bring up an issue I havent read on here before.Let's say it was faked.That means everyone from the ambulance drivers including the hospital staff were all in on it.The chief medical examiner right down to trauma center nurses.All these people were paid off?Everybody has managed to keep the secret?The funeral home people were paid off too I guess?Let's dont forget the coroner.It's all just so pathetic it's beyond me that any rational person could believe any of it.I try to be open minded about any issue but I cant on this one.
Jak

[srj1967]

Anybody that believes Elvis didn't die that day deserves to be laughed at. Im sorry but those people need help. I try to be open minded about any issue but I cant on this one.
Jak

I agree with you completely on this one, jak. Laughed at, and ridiculed 'til the cows come home. Put them in the loony bin with people who say they've been abducted by aliens. :'(

[moody_ blue]

why not
i think heshad reasonsenough to fake his death
andeveryone may say what he or she think
thats my idea and onevery imortend reason
was his healt so i say its sgreat idea to think:hmm:
that hes alive and live somewhere in a swamp
but hee guys let us dream ok

ELVIS FOREVER (y)

[meg]

Anybody that believes Elvis didnt die that day deserves to be laughed at.Im sorry but those people need help.I hate to even argue this point but I feel compelled to bring up an issue I havent read on here before.Let's say it was faked.That means everyone from the ambulance drivers including the hospital staff were all in on it.The chief medical examiner right down to trauma center nurses.All these people were paid off?Everybody has managed to keep the secret?The funeral home people were paid off too I guess?Let's dont forget the coroner.It's all just so pathetic it's beyond me that any rational person could believe any of it.I try to be open minded about any issue but I cant on this one.
Jak
(y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y)

[T_J]

Let me jump in the subject here and add that are a few things,if not alot that makes me think that he is alive.There are a few things(weird things)going on in Graceland.I always have watch the Webcam of Graceland and I have seing a guy wondering around the front lawn....and then enter the front door.Not too long ago there was a woman walking in the yard a later a guy join her.This was almost when they're about to turn on the lights.Also a red sports cars pull in the driveway and two guys got off.Also the night before least the shot off the webcam..the one with the close up....while the other light was left on.This happend while a long limo drove up to Graceland:doh: :hmm: I don't know what to think anymore......I have been reading alot on the subjet and the more I read the more confussed I get.I'd like to think that he would not do something like that to us.....is inhuman.:king:

GirlHappy19:newyear:

Relax, the man has been dead nearly 30 yrs. I'd give up reading on the subject and just enjoy the music. All the points raised by those who believe he faked his death have been dealt with and cleared up satisfactorily. The so called 'Elvis Underground' is populated by stupid people and, in some cases, total scumbags.

[maria1073]

have you read. is elvis alive. are the death of elvis what really happened. are seen the dvd the elvis files

[ajr]

I have read most all the books written about Elvis.
Plus saw the DVD's.
I'm waiting for him to write the real story . ;)

I have met some of the so called "underground" people too.
They're not very nice. In reality, they can't hurt anyone.....they
just like to pretend to be somebody. All you gotta do is shut your computer off. No big deal.

But, to fight about something like this is pretty childish. Let everyone
believe what they will. Why should anyone care?
Laugh away....Elvis might have the last laugh.:D

[T_J]

have you read. is elvis alive. are the death of elvis what really happened. are seen the dvd the elvis files

Yes and they are junk. Both play on the fact that they are saying something people want to believe.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

This thread has been going on for so long...................................

It's all just a load of sensationalist B/S that offers faint hope to those gullable enough to believe (n)

Sorry I just DON'T buy it.

Matt

[ajr]

Yes and they are junk. Both play on the fact that they are saying something people want to believe.

I can't help but ask.....why did you read those books ?
Amazing !! I can't stand reading a book I think is junk :supriced: .

[elpfan]

Anybody that believes Elvis didnt die that day deserves to be laughed at.Im sorry but those people need help

This post of yours deserves deletion - it is rude.
Just because YOU don't agree with another's viewpoint, does NOT make them wrong and it certainly gives you no right to degrade anyone.

:angry:

[elpfan]

I agree with you completely on this one, jak. Laughed at, and ridiculed 'til the cows come home. Put them in the loony bin with people who say they've been abducted by aliens. :'(

Rude.
Learn to respect another's opinions.

[elpfan]

I agree with you, elpfan.......
Let everyone believe what they find to be truth for themselves.
As to anyone making $$$ off Elvis, it's sure NOT the ones that believe he is alive. It's the ones that claim to "know all" about him.......
Read your history, folks .(y)


Absolutely right.
(y)

[elpfan]

All the points raised by those who believe he faked his death have been dealt with and cleared up satisfactorily.

That's just not true at all.



The so called 'Elvis Underground' is populated by stupid people and, in some cases, total scumbags.

Not everyone who believes (or even intelligently ponders) this theory can rightly be called a member of the "Elvis Underground" faction. To the contrary, many are well-read, intelligent, articulate folks who are smart enough to know that THEY do not know everything.

I guess all you outraged fans must have the inside scoop.
Not.

Although I dont' call anyone names as you do here, and as others here do, I hardly believe that those who are open-minded and thoughtful deserve to be called "stupid" or "scumbags".

Perhaps the REAL issue about this ongoing debate is the emotional insensitivity and insecurity expressed by all the indignant "fans" who think Elvis could not possibly have rejected THEM. Because after all, THE most important thing in the world to Elvis Presley were millions and millions of people he never met, and would never know . . . how awful to think that he would have considered his own state of being, his physical and mental needs, over those of . . . the fans.

[Wild_In_The_Country]

5 pages of mainly rubish, just let the man rest in peace!!!
he gone, but not from peoples hearts,

[elpfan]

Laugh away....Elvis might have the last laugh.:D

:peace: :peace:

[elpfan]

5 pages of mainly rubish, just let the man rest in peace!!!
he gone, but not from peoples hearts,


Who are you to judge another's opinions as "rubbish"?

What if everything YOU posted on here, was called trash or garbage or whatever, by other posters? Would that be fair? Hardly.

[elpfan]

Because I think Elvis was too far gone physically and mentally to have been able to plan such a thing at the end and would have had to have extensive plastic surgery as he was too recognizable.


Not so.


Also he loved the stage and his audiences and felt he had to keep on working to support everyone around him. I don't think he was capable of walking out on them.

No, he was logically past the point of feeling such an obligation.

[ajr]

It has been pointed out that Elvis would need no plastic surgery .
He could easily "hide in plain sight." ;)
Did you ever see some of the EP impersonaters ?
Like EP, they're everywhere .

The only thing I didn't like was the $3 Million reward Adam put out there .
But, he's got some good interviews; including Linda Thompson.
And one of the guys that was arrested as "the grave robber."

I've met many intelligent people interested in this mystery.
IF anyone would read the COMPLETE story connected to all of this ..one would seem to be "ignorant " that didn't want some answers .

I don't know if Elvis did or didn't die in 1977. Where I live ; you have a right and an obligation to do your best to get the truth. Instead of putting other people down for their beliefs ; I'd think it would be better to find out why so much was covered up that day. When I know nothing about a topic, I've found it's best to stay out of the thread .

IF we have a right to dig into a mans life; you'd think it would be just as well to find out the truth of his death .
IMO . :peace:

[elpfan]

It's sad, but it's the hopeful that wishes he was still alive.

No, it's the intellectual thinkers who "consider" that he may be.



What I don't get is the people who are not Elvis fans, people who know nothing about him talking about that he's alive walking somewhere. Take my Best friend's mother's friend (I know a mouth full) She doesn't listen to the man's music, know's even less about his history yet she fervantly believes that he's alive somewhere. What's up with that?

So, a person would have to be an Elvis "historian" to believe he faked his death?



I highly doubt that he would fake it, it'll be kinda heartless thing to do knowing all the pain that it would cause.

You have to be kidding.
Heartless to whom?
Oh, right . . . the fans - who deserved everything he had to give, no matter the cost to him.

Why not think about Elvis the man, for a change, rather than Elvis the performer, whose fan base seems to think they have exclusive entitlement to EVERYTHING ELVIS . . . even at the expense of his peace and contentment.

[elpfan]

Yes and they are junk. Both play on the fact that they are saying something people want to believe.

The same fans who pan something like this will be the first ones to buy all the trite trash from the likes of a Joe Esposito, Shilling, Thompson, Fike, Hodge . . . yada, yada . . .

You say this stuff plays on something people want to believe, but . . . in the fanatic Elvis world, that's what EVERYTHING is . . . it's about people believing ONLY what they want - rather than accepting truths, rather than admitting that everyone around E was a moocher, and rather than accepting that no fans really know fact from fiction.

[elpfan]

It has been pointed out that Elvis would need no plastic surgery .
He could easily "hide in plain sight." ;)

Correct.



I've met many intelligent people interested in this mystery. IF anyone would read the COMPLETE story connected to all of this ..one would seem to be "ignorant " that didn't want some answers .

It's interesting to research, and unfathomable to me that fans wouldn't want to believe such a notion.


I don't know if Elvis did or didn't die in 1977. Where I live ; you have a right and an obligation to do your best to get the truth. Instead of putting other people down for their beliefs ; I'd think it would be better to find out why so much was covered up that day.


Absolutely.


IF we have a right to dig into a mans life; you'd think it would be just as well to find out the truth of his death .
IMO . :peace:

So true.



Well said.
There is evidently so much fear and insecurity in today's Elvis world that many just won't consider the facts.

If one is well-read on this, he/she looks at all the evidence made available, adds it to the obvious logical factors, and realizes that it equals a purely interesting conclusion.


:peace:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

No, he was logically past the point of feeling such an obligation.

What do you base that comment on? Quite clearly looking at Elvis at the latter part of 76 & 77 he is jaded and fatigued, if he wanted out I really don't think he would have waited until Aug 77. Having watched Elvis In Concert I can't help but feel Elvis was standing on a precipice by June 1977. Do you seriously believe Elvis would have left all those he loved (Lisa & Vernon) behind and walked off into the sunset? I think to just walk away from his existing life and completely disappear off the face of the earth without every seeing your loved ones again is just to big a step for Elvis to take given what we know about his love for his family.

If Elvis did not feel obligated to the guys why would he then rely on them to cover up such a huge and elaborate plot?

There are way to many variables, doctors, nurses, family, friends, drug dependency & a whole myriad of details that would make a plot to fake his death just plain implausible. If the Memphis Mafia had the skills to hide this from the world I hardly think they would be selling tawdry tales to make a living.

Last but not least, there is no way Elvis would have let Priscilla run his estate and certainly not allowed her to open up his beloved Graceland, if Elvis had the power to orchestrate his own death, I'm pretty sure he would have had the clout to ensure things happened the way he wanted them too, and Priscilla didn't figure in the will.

I respect peoples right to hope, but as I have said earlier. I Just Don't Buy It.

Matt

[ajr]

JJ:

How do you know Elvis didn't see his dad & Lisa again?
Very few people would recognize Elvis ,even if they saw him in 1977,
he didn't run around in jumpsuits all the time. I think you can find several stories about people NOT recognizing EP then. Just look.
So, you think "all those people" would have to be "bought off" because of a hoaxed death ? Why? IF it was done; very few would have to know about it.

As to Priscilla ..I don't think he'd have any problem with her running Graceland.
She saved it for Lisa...it was Lisa's legacy.
She also "saved Graceland" or no fan would be able to see it today .

As for you "buying" the possibility that he didn't die that day. I haven't seen anyone trying to get you to "buy it ". It's a discussion, like any other. You can participate ..or not. I believe you've already stated your opinion.

Peace to all......

[T_J]

I can't help but ask.....why did you read those books ?
Amazing !! I can't stand reading a book I think is junk :supriced: .

Picked up for next to nothing at a car boot sale as far as I recall. Figured I should see what was being said before totally rubbishing it. I was meaning the video and the Elvis is Alive books are junk though. Reading closely, you mention the Death of Elvis book too. If you're referring to the book I'm thinking of, that doesn't deserve to be grouped with the others.




Not everyone who believes (or even intelligently ponders) this theory can rightly be called a member of the "Elvis Underground" faction. To the contrary, many are well-read, intelligent, articulate folks who are smart enough to know that THEY do not know everything.


Just not smart enough to know when they are being duped by con artists. Anyway, I was talking specifically about the Elvis Underground faction, so what's your point?




Although I dont' call anyone names as you do here, and as others here do, I hardly believe that those who are open-minded and thoughtful deserve to be called "stupid" or "scumbags".

True, if someone is open-minded and thoughtful, they do not deserve to be called stupid or a scumbag. But, I was referring to the obsessive members of the so-called Elvis Underground and they display neither an open mind nor thoughtful nature. As for the scumbag comment, I did say "in some cases scumbags", so please do not misrepresent my post. Trust me, in some cases "scumbag" is a generous description. If you were familiar with some of the offensive theories that are put forward, you wouldn't even argue the point.

There is a great difference between open-mindedness and an unhealthy desire to believe something ludicrous. Incidentally, it's thanks to the gullible people that do put forward these theories that fans are so often considered to be weirdos in the media. I've lost count of the amount of times that someone has found out I'm a fan and the first thing they've said is "oh I bet you believe he is alive right?"

[elpfan]

Well, first of all, at least you did not stoop to the depths of name-calling. I welcome reasonable debate . . . I do not expect you or anyone to believe as I believe (or as I may believe), just as I hope that you or anyone respect MY rights as well.

As a note, I would recommend that every Elvis fan research and think about this topic before jumping in and shouting to the rafters that he is dead, that he would not have done it, and so forth. If a person doesn't want to learn anything about this, don't comment - it serves no purpose. Reasoned debate is always interesting; uninformed rantings and name-calling are just boring.

That said . . .


What do you base that comment on? Quite clearly looking at Elvis at the latter part of 76 & 77 he is jaded and fatigued, if he wanted out I really don't think he would have waited until Aug 77. Having watched Elvis In Concert I can't help but feel Elvis was standing on a precipice by June 1977.

You can debate that, argue the significance of numerology, or just admit that few knew what he was really thinking or planning . . . only he could explain the reasoning behind a particular date or the method used.


Do you seriously believe Elvis would have left all those he loved (Lisa & Vernon) behind and walked off into the sunset? I think to just walk away from his existing life and completely disappear off the face of the earth without every seeing your loved ones again is just to big a step for Elvis to take given what we know about his love for his family.

I have never said he did such a thing, nor do many theorists say that.

Of course there were "those" who knew (and know), and helped.


If Elvis did not feel obligated to the guys why would he then rely on them to cover up such a huge and elaborate plot?

I was referring more especially to fans and those who worked with him directly in the musical realm.


There are way to many variables, doctors, nurses, family, friends, drug dependency & a whole myriad of details that would make a plot to fake his death just plain implausible.

Not so much.
A handful of people, well executed plans over time . . .



If the Memphis Mafia had the skills to hide this from the world I hardly think they would be selling tawdry tales to make a living.

Well, I don't believe it would take a "skill" per se . . . just respect, admiration, concern, and/or . . . oh . . . $$$

Many people do argue this topic by saying there were just too many people involved and they couldn't pull it off . . . money is the end-all for some people. So there are two aspects to this particular point of argument: One is that there wouldn't have been that many people involved, and secondly, if they "needed" a couple of outsiders, they and their children and grandchildren would be financially set for life. If they ever try to speak out, who'll believe them? What proof might they offer? Photos? Recordings? How would they prove they played a part in the scheme when they knew full well that he was alive?


Last but not least, there is no way Elvis would have let Priscilla run his estate and certainly not allowed her to open up his beloved Graceland, if Elvis had the power to orchestrate his own death, I'm pretty sure he would have had the clout to ensure things happened the way he wanted them too, and Priscilla didn't figure in the will.

This is a bit of a sticking point for me, and anyone who's read my posts, knows I don't like the way the whole "business" was handled . . . I've argued that Pris was bad for it, that Sillerman is bad for it, and I've argued that E may not have wanted the house opened to the public. On the flip side of that argument though, for those who so want to believe that Elvis wouldn't have done such a thing to "them", and to reinforce the theory that he faked his death, then perhaps he chose to open the house as a tribute of sorts to the fans.


I respect peoples right to hope, but as I have said earlier. I Just Don't Buy It.

While there are no doubt those who hold this notion close to heart simply as "hope" - there ARE those who are intelligent people, who've read every piece of material, and who've looked at how things were going for him, certain aspects of his character, his inner self . . . and have concluded that he well could have, and likely did, fake his own death. Even if one doesn't concede to that, and even if he did not, there were cover-ups and conflicting stories to be sure.

[elpfan]

Just not smart enough to know when they are being duped by con artists. Anyway, I was talking specifically about the Elvis Underground faction, so what's your point?

Honestly, I know of no one (who believes the theory is possible) who is being "duped". The intelligent theorists aren't spending the big bucks on all the commercial crap, they don't buy into anything being written by the moochers, and they aren't being taken advantage of in any way, so . . .



True, if someone is open-minded and thoughtful, they do not deserve to be called stupid or a scumbag. But, I was referring to the obsessive members of the so-called Elvis Underground and they display neither an open mind nor thoughtful nature. As for the scumbag comment, I did say "in some cases scumbags", so please do not misrepresent my post. Trust me, in some cases "scumbag" is a generous description. If you were familiar with some of the offensive theories that are put forward, you wouldn't even argue the point.

I didn't misinterpret . . . read my post again. Sorry you think I did.

I do know that much of the underground is beyond fanatic, although I'm sure I haven't read or heard it all . . . and I don't know all of the "offensive", as you put it, theories that are floating around. I don't deal in that, I deal with logic/reason, what makes sense in the scheme of things, and how the pieces seem to fit together - now if they don't, I'll admit as much. I just happen to think this is a very plausible topic.


There is a great difference between open-mindedness and an unhealthy desire to believe something ludicrous.

In whose opinion???
YOU think it's "ludicrous", so it's ludicrous . . . case closed.
YOU think it's "unhealthy", so that' that.
Nope.


Incidentally, it's thanks to the gullible people that do put forward these theories that fans are so often considered to be weirdos in the media. I've lost count of the amount of times that someone has found out I'm a fan and the first thing they've said is "oh I bet you believe he is alive right?"

Ah, you are quite incorrect.
While it's true that the Kalamazoo and Burger King sightings only fueled the jokesters, the Elvis image was tainted long, long before - thanks in part to Elvis himself with the gaudy, jewelled suits and capes, the big ol' sunglasses, the sideburns to the jaw, the weight, and the drugs, AND in part to the laughable impersonators and the disgustingly cheap, tawdry commercialization by PB, EPE, and "LMFP" . . .

[T_J]

Honestly, I know of no one (who believes the theory is possible) who is being "duped". The intelligent theorists aren't spending the big bucks on all the commercial crap, they don't buy into anything being written by the moochers, and they aren't being taken advantage of in any way, so . . .


Don't buy into anything written by the moochers? By that I guess you mean they don't believe a word of anything a member of the Memphis Mafia says? Sure, I imagine much of it is prone to exaggeration or just skewed by failing memory, but they don't believe "anything"? Most accounts are fairly innocuous and merely recount events in Elvis' life for which there is often supporting evidence. Lets get to the crux of what you mean by that statement though. I think you mean that the MM's words are all worthless because Elvis faked his death and they are all part of the big cover up. I find it very difficult to understand how "intelligent theorists" can disregard everything written by the MM members, yet fully embrace the underground theories. That said, it does mirror what I've seen in the past. I have looked at Elvis underground messageboards before, out of curiosity. There are generally one or two ringleaders who fan the flames, while others follow. I saw little evidence of open mindedness. In fact, the general trend was to totally disregard any evidence that didn't support their positions, while fully embracing evidence that did, even if very flimsy or rumour-based. The community flourished because people had no desire to be budged from their pre-conceived ideas and hopes about what happened to Elvis. They would literally pounce on every fanciful claim, with virtually no scrutiny, and ignore any conflicting evidence as "part of the cover up".

You picked up on my use of the word ludicrous. Sure, there were many examples of it. The doctor claiming to be treating Elvis, the notion that there was an Elvis double covering for Elvis on stage, the idea that the real LMP is in exile. I could go on, but won't. I'm sure some prefer to buy that kind of material, but I'll stick with the so-called 'commercial crap', which at least has some shot of being accurate.

I'd just like to make an observation. I dismiss the theories of the underground and get the following response from you...


In whose opinion???
YOU think it's "ludicrous", so it's ludicrous . . . case closed.
YOU think it's "unhealthy", so that' that.
Nope.

Yet you dismiss the more conventional and accepted stories as "commercial crap" and suggest nothing the "moochers" say can be believed, and somehow you are taking an enlightened stance?? Strikes me as a touch hypocritical. Before you take exception to something, it's worth making sure that you aren't doing the very same thing.

[ajr]

Most people I know avoid the "underground" message boards. IMO, no truth will be found there .
I met two of the guys from those sites. Until we disagreed, we had some interesting discussions. I asked them why they "tore up" the Elvis sites. Their answer : It was just something to do.
I asked them if they believed all that trash their "leader" spouted . Their answer : Hell, no !!
It was just a game to them. No more, no less .

The big reason I don't believe the "commercial" stories is because Joe Esposito changes his stories .{You'd need to do some research to find that }
Most people that "know" Larry Geller agrees that he's a nice guy; but he loves to "embellish " his stories & tends to be overly dramatic.
As to most of the rest of the MM.....they were long gone by August of 1977 and didn't go to their "best friends" funeral. But, Marty especially, lays his claim to fame that he "knows all." Now that IS laughable.
They point out each others lies & can't agree on their stories. Even in RMM book; they told differing stories .

Go way back and look to see what each one said that day, where each one really was. Look at the lack of investigation in finding a dead body. Look at the arguments between the pathologists .
It is the serious minded that studies it all. No one pays attention to the MM.

So, I don't care if people laugh .....when I'm done, I'll know I covered everything that's out here .
I don't write or sell books. My search is mostly for myself & a few like-minded friends. It's all free & I laugh at no one. I try to educate to not believe everything that's been written. Stories change ,it's all done to make $$$$.
BTW: I know Adam ,but I gave him an *** chewing for coming up with that 3 million dollar reward .......that was his "backers" idea.
Do you think that anyone that is a friend of Elvis' would tell for $$$$....??
I know I wouldn't !! Would you ??

Peace out .....

[srj1967]

I don't believe in the 2001 number thing either; utter crap. You can take any numbers and add them up to make anything, like with the 9/11 consipracy theories.

As for the "sweat" that people say was on his body in the coffin ... as someone who stood over his mother's body four years ago while she was in her coffin, I can tell you that she too was "sweating". It is actually beads of mositure that gather on a body after it's been moved from a freezer into the open air.

Or maybe my Mum is hiding out with Elvis in Sydney? Hmmm ... nah! She loved Elvis, but was more of a Sinatra fan! :P

And don't get me started on the Aaron / Aron debate. Everyone knows the real story. He changed his middle name himself in the 60's.

[ruggishboo]

Maybe the only way to really know for sure is a morbid one, dig the grave up. But then you would need some heavy duty evidence and a lot of consents to do that. But that would answer the question once and for all. I'm pretty certain that will never happen though.

[elpfan]

Don't buy into anything written by the moochers? By that I guess you mean they don't believe a word of anything a member of the Memphis Mafia says? Sure, I imagine much of it is prone to exaggeration or just skewed by failing memory, but they don't believe "anything"?

Fair enough, I could alter that to "everything" . . . but there are those who just don't believe ANYTHING anymore. The Memphis Mafia is a tiresome old bunch who never had that much real credibility of character; moochers, they were, and those who are left, remain moochers.

I cannot speak about what EVERY theorist believes or not; I'm speaking about a more specific, informed group.


I think you mean that the MM's words are all worthless because Elvis faked his death and they are all part of the big cover up.

No, not at all; I don't believe for a minute that they'd all be a part of it.


I find it very difficult to understand how "intelligent theorists" can disregard everything written by the MM members, yet fully embrace the underground theories.

Intelligent theorists shy away from what are called "underground" theorists, in that they are more fanatic . . . and some of what I know about their claims and theories are indeed too bizarre and too over the top. That's why the term "conspiracy theorist" now has such a negative connotation. But I'm not aware of all that's been, or is being, written or claimed by these people - don't really want to - I steer clear. There are many different EP factions in the world and some are downright mean and nasty; and of course, just as with what's being written in the books about E, you can't possibly know exactly who is posting on any message forum. Lots of people play games, some people are angry, some have an agenda, etc. Frankly, I find many of the so-called staunch "fans" to be every bit as offensive as the undergrounders - unreasonable fanaticism is found everywhere.



I have looked at Elvis underground messageboards before, out of curiosity. There are generally one or two ringleaders who fan the flames, while others follow. I saw little evidence of open mindedness. In fact, the general trend was to totally disregard any evidence that didn't support their positions, while fully embracing evidence that did, even if very flimsy or rumour-based. The community flourished because people had no desire to be budged from their pre-conceived ideas and hopes about what happened to Elvis. They would literally pounce on every fanciful claim, with virtually no scrutiny, and ignore any conflicting evidence as "part of the cover up".

There are close-minded individuals on both sides of this issue; I don't support anyone who says: "Elvis is alive and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise" . . . just as I don't support anyone who says: "Elvis is dead and nothing you say will convince me otherwise" . . . being open-minded means looking at all the evidence with a willingness to concede when certain points simply have no substance for debate, but it also means sticking to your guns when you believe, after (reasoned) research, that your conclusion is valid.


You picked up on my use of the word ludicrous. Sure, there were many examples of it. The doctor claiming to be treating Elvis, the notion that there was an Elvis double covering for Elvis on stage, the idea that the real LMP is in exile. I could go on, but won't.

My point was that you chose such a word as though it was the final word. It is YOUR opinion, fine, but I expect everyone to respect other's opinions on a debatable topic without the kind of name-calling that's shown up on this forum.

I'm not sure why you'd think a "double" is such a far-fetched notion.


Yet you dismiss the more conventional and accepted stories as "commercial crap" and suggest nothing the "moochers" say can be believed, and somehow you are taking an enlightened stance?? Strikes me as a touch hypocritical. Before you take exception to something, it's worth making sure that you aren't doing the very same thing.

I do suggest that little to nothing the moochers say can be believed. Tidbits here and there, the occasional factual story about some incident, sure . . . but overall, contradictions and embellishments have become a hallmark of the once-close-to-Elvis crowd. Another ho-hum.

Enlightenment, I guess, is sort of subjective . . . I could tell you that I'm "enlightened" on this topic, but you'd find any number of ways to tell me I'm not, so . . .

It's not my intention to come across as hypocritical; in fact, I think I've done a pretty good job of stating my position on this, and making clear the fact that I'm willing to look at both sides, and will admit when (if) any point contradicts the theory.

[elpfan]

Most people I know avoid the "underground" message boards. IMO, no truth will be found there .
I met two of the guys from those sites. Until we disagreed, we had some interesting discussions. I asked them why they "tore up" the Elvis sites. Their answer : It was just something to do.
I asked them if they believed all that trash their "leader" spouted . Their answer : Hell, no !!
It was just a game to them. No more, no less .

I imagine you'd find that on just about every forum around.


The big reason I don't believe the "commercial" stories is because Joe Esposito changes his stories .{You'd need to do some research to find that }
Most people that "know" Larry Geller agrees that he's a nice guy; but he loves to "embellish " his stories & tends to be overly dramatic.
As to most of the rest of the MM.....they were long gone by August of 1977 and didn't go to their "best friends" funeral. But, Marty especially, lays his claim to fame that he "knows all." Now that IS laughable.
They point out each others lies & can't agree on their stories. Even in RMM book; they told differing stories .

So true. Good points.
Joe's one of the more notorious in the field of story-changing. But many others are as well, all the way to PB and LM.

As for the "actors", how about Miss Ginger? Some theorize she was merely a temporary, albeit, somewhat uninformed player before being released to move on with her life.


Go way back and look to see what each one said that day, where each one really was. Look at the lack of investigation in finding a dead body. Look at the arguments between the pathologists .
It is the serious minded that studies it all. No one pays attention to the MM.

There's much to study.


So, I don't care if people laugh .....when I'm done, I'll know I covered everything that's out here .
I don't write or sell books. My search is mostly for myself & a few like-minded friends. It's all free & I laugh at no one. I try to educate to not believe everything that's been written.

Same here.


Stories change ,it's all done to make $$$$.

It makes the world go 'round . . . (and it can be a very useful tool for keeping people quiet).


Do you think that anyone that is a friend of Elvis' would tell for $$$$....??

No more than a "real fan" would hate E for doing such a thing to "them" . . .



I know I wouldn't !! Would you ??

No, I wouldn't . . . not ever . . .

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

You can debate that, argue the significance of numerology, or just admit that few knew what he was really thinking or planning . . . only he could explain the reasoning behind a particular date or the method used.

Yes, I understand that Elvis was into numerology and read some heavy duty books, this does not mean that he was somehow making elaborate plans to just disappear. You still have to take the state of mind Elvis was in (Medicated) let alone any personal feelings for family, I don't think for one minute that Elvis would have left his father who's own health was declining rapidly. On the CBS film you can clearly see Vernon is shaken and in mourning. Are you saying Elvis kept Vernon out of the loop or was Vernon faking it.



Not so much.
A handful of people, well executed plans over time . . .

Let me get this straight.... One of the biggest stars the world has ever seen is going to disappear and only a handful of people are going to know!! Alright, lets think about the logistics of such a thing.

1. You go to bed, get up leave Ginger saying you are going to the bathroom...... start the clock (does Ginger Know?)

2. Ginger notices you are missing and goes to the bathroom and finds a body (Ginger has to know) called for Joe (does Joe Know?) who is this dead person and how and where is the body delivered to Graceland, how did this body contain the drugs in the post mortum? How many people would it take to get the body there and who procured the body? At least 3 people would have to know! Vernon would have gone to the bathroom and seen the body, surely he would have recognised his own Son (Vernon has to know).

3. How is Elvis spirited away, who took him..... one maybe two people and to where? (they have to know)

4. Dr. Nick arrives at Graceland, he would know what Elvis looked like (Dr. Nick has to know)

That is approx 8 people who would have to know before the ambulance arrives!!

Do you think Elvis could have been heartless enough to let his daughter think he had passed away? Lisa called Linda to let her know that her father was dead. I find it difficult to believe that a 9 year old could keep such a secret!





Well, I don't believe it would take a "skill" per se . . . just respect, admiration, concern, and/or . . . oh . . . $$$

It is a well known fact that Elvis toured as he did to keep the revenue coming in to fund his lavish lifestyle, there wouldn't have been that much money to buy everyone off! If he did have, where were the funds coming from to keep Elvis in the future?



Many people do argue this topic by saying there were just too many people involved and they couldn't pull it off . . . money is the end-all for some people. So there are two aspects to this particular point of argument: One is that there wouldn't have been that many people involved, and secondly, if they "needed" a couple of outsiders, they and their children and grandchildren would be financially set for life. If they ever try to speak out, who'll believe them? What proof might they offer? Photos? Recordings? How would they prove they played a part in the scheme when they knew full well that he was alive?

So what you are implying then is that anybody involved in such a cover up would have nothing to gain by revealing such a plot? Even if the plot was true there would have to be more than one person who new the whereabouts of Elvis or that would mean Elvis was going it alone? It is a pretty big secret to keep especially when the heat is on!

Lets go along with the story for a minute and think about what the future held for Elvis post Aug 16th 1977.......... Failing health and medical bills, detox from his prescribed medication habit, no discernible future income, the loss of the ability to perform and record any new material. To give someone of such a high profile a new life would have taken some heavyweight people of FBI re-location proportions, not to mention medical history etc.

I've got to say that if Elvis had thought about such a intricate and elaborate plot to fool the world and his close friends and family not to mention..... yes the fans, would it not have been simpler to just stop touring and straighten himself out and got his life back on track, after all dropping out of the world as he new it would have been not only a massive culture shock but a permanent way of life he could never have envisaged (I'm not even getting into the "Elvis What happened" book or the Mafia extortion stories)




This is a bit of a sticking point for me, and anyone who's read my posts, knows I don't like the way the whole "business" was handled . . . I've argued that Pris was bad for it, that Sillerman is bad for it, and I've argued that E may not have wanted the house opened to the public. On the flip side of that argument though, for those who so want to believe that Elvis wouldn't have done such a thing to "them", and to reinforce the theory that he faked his death, then perhaps he chose to open the house as a tribute of sorts to the fans.

The above comment infers that possibly Elvis has some control over his affairs post Aug 16th 77, I personally believe that had Elvis been alive at that time would certainly not have let Priscilla re-decorate my home to a time she preferred!




While there are no doubt those who hold this notion close to heart simply as "hope" - there ARE those who are intelligent people, who've read every piece of material, and who've looked at how things were going for him, certain aspects of his character, his inner self . . . and have concluded that he well could have, and likely did, fake his own death. Even if one doesn't concede to that, and even if he did not, there were cover-ups and conflicting stories to be sure.

Yes there were cover ups after Elvis' death, what we readily accept in today's society was not what was accepted in the 1970's. Todays culture does not care what happens in rock stars lives, they revel in seedy tales of debauched behaviour! Elvis' life in comparison to todays so called stars is positively angelic. The people around Elvis at the time of his death were defending the legacy and Image of their boss, this followed all the way down to doctors, pathologists etc. Elvis' lifestyle was kept under wraps and the fans at that time were not ready to hear the truth....... we all have the benefit of hindsight.

There are also those who are intelligent and do not see conspiracies around every corner, sometimes the simplest answer is the truth.

Matt

[T_J]

Enlightenment, I guess, is sort of subjective . . . I could tell you that I'm "enlightened" on this topic, but you'd find any number of ways to tell me I'm not, so . . .

I'd start with this quote:

"I'm not sure why you'd think a "double" is such a far-fetched notion."

I'm not sure how you'd think the notion is anything but far-fetched!! Sorry, but anyone who reaches that conclusion has not cast a critical eye over the evidence. They have just done exactly what I describe in my post above - ignored good evidence and embraced silly rumour.

[MauriceColgan]

The conspiracy guys get some kind of kick by being replied to. (Here I am against my better judgement)

Elvis is Dead.

We only embarrass ourselves debating the subject:blush:

[jak]

The Elvis may have faked his death bunch are far beyond reason because they dont have the ability or desire to face reality.I cant believe I keep sucked into this arguement but here I go again.Listen to this point.When Elvis and his co conspirator's were planning the story of his death what did they come up with.Elvis said"Joe,tell the media you found me with my pants down in front of the toilet".To which Joe said"Good one E".Give me a break.Sorry to burst your bubble but Elvis Presley died nearly 30 years ago.Do you really think the small minded people Elvis was surrounded by wouldnt have leaked it?This is just more garbage that makes his fans look like nutjobs to the general public.
Jak

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

This is just more garbage that makes his fans look like nutjobs to the general public.
Jak

"Tell It Like It Is Son" (y)

[ajr]

There have been many conspiracies perfomed by our own governments .
Only coming to light, sometimes years later.
IF reporters, researchers etc. had not believed in their own theories the public would still be believing their lies .
Just because it says something in the newspapers, on your TV or now, on the Internet .,....doesn't make it true .
Ask our respective governments about that . :secret:

So, thank God for people that have the determination to look for the truth ....
in spite of being called many names & laughed at...More power to them.
And thank you, thank you very much. .(y)

[0349054]

Honestly, I know of no one (who believes the theory is possible) who is being "duped". The intelligent theorists aren't spending the big bucks on all the commercial crap, they don't buy into anything being written by the moochers, and they aren't being taken advantage of in any way, so . . .




I didn't misinterpret . . . read my post again. Sorry you think I did.

I do know that much of the underground is beyond fanatic, although I'm sure I haven't read or heard it all . . . and I don't know all of the "offensive", as you put it, theories that are floating around. I don't deal in that, I deal with logic/reason, what makes sense in the scheme of things, and how the pieces seem to fit together - now if they don't, I'll admit as much. I just happen to think this is a very plausible topic.



In whose opinion???
YOU think it's "ludicrous", so it's ludicrous . . . case closed.
YOU think it's "unhealthy", so that' that.
Nope.



Ah, you are quite incorrect.
While it's true that the Kalamazoo and Burger King sightings only fueled the jokesters, the Elvis image was tainted long, long before - thanks in part to Elvis himself with the gaudy, jewelled suits and capes, the big ol' sunglasses, the sideburns to the jaw, the weight, and the drugs, AND in part to the laughable impersonators and the disgustingly cheap, tawdry commercialization by PB, EPE, and "LMFP" . . .



Elvis is dead, this is just a sick fascination that he is alive. Intelligent theorists......intelligent people don't believe Elvis is alive or that he faked his death.

Why don't you go and meet some of the guys and look into their eyes when they talk about August 16th 1977.......then if you still believe this idle dribble....probabaly coming from Gail Brewer Giorgio who is one of the biggest nut cases on the planet....you can rant on, because as they say...ignorance is bliss.

[Wild_In_The_Country]

Some people.....

Elvis passed away in 1977, or did you sleep through the last few years of his life?
does this man look well?
http://www.aref.de/kalenderblatt/2002/pics/elvis-presley-3_77.jpg
no he does not.
have you seen his final shows?
the man was in pain, he was ill.
Elvis had a huge ego, would he really fake his death so he was sitting on the toilet? NO.
He was a very proud man and would create a story with some dignity.
Elvis lived a very exhausting life, with drug abuse and general abuse to his body. its fact and documented. If elvis is still alive, where is he?

Who are you to judge another's opinions as "rubbish"?

What if everything YOU posted on here, was called trash or garbage or whatever, by other posters? Would that be fair? Hardly.
Well for the fact that there is lots of proof elvis died in 1977, but you have not posted any proof he is alive!, if elvis was alive he would have been found by now, they can find sadam hussein but not elvis presley? and for the fact the post was not aimed at you but the thread in general.
But as you seem to take it that way, i find your opinions stupid. and that is my opinion and i am entitled to it.

[ajr]

I have looked into the MM eyes; more importantly .....I have listened with my ears . Their stories have changed from 1977 to today. If they live longer, you can be sure they'll change again.

The picture above looks like an Elvis impersonator I saw a few weeks ago. He "cleaned up" nicely, but "sweated up a storm" during his show. The one I saw is not ill, but put on a very vigorous show.

It seems our government did find a man named Hussein; but has never found the man we went after : Osama bin Laden. The one that was really responsible for 9/11 .

I'd like to see the proof that Elvis died. That would be nice.
An autopsy report or picture might do. A death certificate would help too.
There is nothing but "hear say"; exactly what the people that believe he didn't die has. It seems no one can prove their "opinions. "

So, enjoy his legacy ;the music and let people believe what they choose .

[0349054]

I have looked into the MM eyes; more importantly .....I have listened with my ears . Their stories have changed from 1977 to today. If they live longer, you can be sure they'll change again.

The picture above looks like an Elvis impersonator I saw a few weeks ago. He "cleaned up" nicely, but "sweated up a storm" during his show. The one I saw is not ill, but put on a very vigorous show.

It seems our government did find a man named Hussein; but has never found the man we went after : Osama bin Laden. The one that was really responsible for 9/11 .

I'd like to see the proof that Elvis died. That would be nice.
An autopsy report or picture might do. A death certificate would help too.
There is nothing but "hear say"; exactly what the people that believe he didn't die has. It seems no one can prove their "opinions. "

So, enjoy his legacy ;the music and let people believe what they choose .

Elvis has a death cert.

Autopsy report is sealed.....not strange, seeing as Elvis was a superstar.

Pictures.....thankfully burnt, after Baptist Memorial moved they gave the autopsy pictures to EPE who quickly destroyed them. A lot of sick people like looking at dead bodies and autopsy pictures on the net.

I do hope you were joking about the picture above looking like an Elvis impersonator....it's Elvis.

I'm not going to waste any more time on this, because if you half as stupid as your post is making you out to be, there really isn't any point as you are incapable of a logical thought process.

This is one thing that irritates, goons who believe Elvis faked his death and is alive. Oh guess what....his name on his grave is mispelt! Get a life ppl!

[ajr]

It never ends . People just keep repeating what someone tells them.
When someone brings a "hard copy" of a death cert. the autopsy pics, and/or the autopsy report .....some might have a case .
Until then, just give it a rest.

It scares some people to admit they might be wrong.
It's also scary to admit one doesn't know as much as they think they do.

Once again....Elvis has proved he's a great entertainer !! ;)
Enjoy the man......either way.

BTW: Yes indeed ,the impersonator looked as Elvis appears in the picture .
Those lights are HOT !!

[0349054]

It never ends . People just keep repeating what someone tells them.
When someone brings a "hard copy" of a death cert. the autopsy pics, and/or the autopsy report .....some might have a case .
Until then, just give it a rest.

It scares some people to admit they might be wrong.
It's also scary to admit one doesn't know as much as they think they do.

Once again....Elvis has proved he's a great entertainer !! ;)
Enjoy the man......either way.

BTW: Yes indeed ,the impersonator looked as Elvis appears in the picture .
Those lights are HOT !!


Seeing as you are the doubting Thomas, why don't you contact Baptist Memorial or the City of Memphis / State of Tennessee and ASK for a copy of the Death Cert.

Autopsy pics will never see the light of day and thats just proper, you can look at plenty of dead bodies online if thats what you like.

You can view the autopsy report, the full one, 50 years after Elvis's death, as it is sealed until then.

Is it so hard to believe that he died? That his body gave up?

How about providing some PROOF he's alive!?! lol

Some HARD proof!?!

Until then, maybe you should accept fact, or, go and CONTACT the relevant people to supply the documents you so earnestly desire!

[T_J]

It scares some people to admit they might be wrong.
It's also scary to admit one doesn't know as much as they think they do.



No, the scary comments on this thread are elpfans' point that Elvis may have used a double on stage in the 70s and your similar point that the CBS pic might be an Elvis impersonator. That alone shows the real level of scrutiny that you give to evidence. Rather than accepting truths, you take giant and absurd leaps to reach equally absurd conclusions. It's that lack of attention to the blatantly obvious which allows you to get to the "Elvis is alive" conclusion in the first place.

But this is what always happens once a debate starts with people who believe Elvis is alive. They try to set a fairly rational tone, as if they have carefully scrutinised the facts and come to a valid conclusion, then obliterate their own argument by digging a huge hole for themselves. They then start with the high and mighty assertion that believers in the obvious truth are simply close minded and refuse to accept any other scenario. Well sorry, but if making outlandish claims, the burden of proof is on that person, not the person who is stating the simple and accepted facts. The fact is, there is plenty of proof that Elvis died on 16th August 1977, not least the circumstances of his death. If you honestly think that Elvis would decide that the circumstances of his fake demise should be falling off the toilet, you know nothing about the man. There is no shortage of proof that Elvis is dead, but that alone is all the proof anyone really needs.

[ajr]

I have tried to get a death certificate. Sent my money & everything To Div.of VS in Memphis. They won't do it.
As you say; the autopsy will not be available until 2027.
As to autopsy pics, why not? If JFK's can be shown, why not EP's?

I take no pleasure in death.......I've worked around it too long. Death is a part of life, so I'm not concered about any of that.

It's NOT so hard to believe that someone can die .....it's quite another thing to cover a death up . Why should there be any secrets ? That is the crazy part. Why should anyone care ?

[ajr]

No, the scary comments on this thread are elpfans' point that Elvis may have used a double on stage in the 70s and your similar point that the CBS pic might be an Elvis impersonator. That alone shows the real level of scrutiny that you give to evidence. Rather than accepting truths, you take giant and absurd leaps to reach equally absurd conclusions. It's that lack of attention to the blatantly obvious which allows you to get to the "Elvis is alive" conclusion in the first place.

But this is what always happens once a debate starts with people who believe Elvis is alive. They try to set a fairly rational tone, as if they have carefully scrutinised the facts and come to a valid conclusion, then obliterate their own argument by digging a huge hole for themselves. They then start with the high and mighty assertion that believers in the obvious truth are simply close minded and refuse to accept any other scenario. Well sorry, but if making outlandish claims, the burden of proof is on that person, not the person who is stating the simple and accepted facts. The fact is, there is plenty of proof that Elvis died on 16th August 1977, not least the circumstances of his death. If you honestly think that Elvis would decide that the circumstances of his fake demise should be falling off the toilet, you know nothing about the man. There is no shortage of proof that Elvis is dead, but that alone is all the proof anyone really needs.

Just reverse all this and apply it to yourself .......

No one here said Elvis used a double on stage . I sure don't believe that.
He DIDN'T fall off the commode either, {according to the first report }.

I just don't understand why people get so upset because someone questions what happened that day. Who knows what one might learn if we'd just shut up & look ??

When someone starts a thread like this ; why make it anyones business except the one that's asked the question?

[Lonniebealestreet]

Understandably this subject generates some passionate responses, but let's keep it friendly and not personal in nature, OK folks?

[elpfan]

Understandably this subject generates some passionate responses, but let's keep it friendly and not personal in nature, OK folks?


That's what I've been trying to get across . . . sure, everyone is welcome to disagree, but there's no need to name-call . . . it accomplishes nothing.

But I would like it noted for the record that, at least from what I've read thus far, the name-calling is coming from those who oppose the faked death theory, NOT those who consider the notion. I just don't understand the intense anger.

[elpfan]

Yes, I understand that Elvis was into numerology and read some heavy duty books, this does not mean that he was somehow making elaborate plans to just disappear.

I didn't say it does . . . I just said that some place great stock in his interest in numerology.


You still have to take the state of mind Elvis was in (Medicated) let alone any personal feelings for family, I don't think for one minute that Elvis would have left his father who's own health was declining rapidly. On the CBS film you can clearly see Vernon is shaken and in mourning. Are you saying Elvis kept Vernon out of the loop or was Vernon faking it.

Fairly, I admit that Vernon's "reaction" could be rightly used by those who say no faked death. On the other hand, if you were old and in somewhat poor health at the time, but you saw that your own adult son's health was in jeopardy and that he was mentally and emotionally drained . . . and he came to you with a plan to escape the fame and public scrutiny in order to live a quiet, secluded life anywhere in the world, would YOU play along in the charade to help your son? Would YOU "play your part"? Of course. What would Vernon have to lose? He was old, financially set, so what would it be to him? If that was the case, then E didn't leave Vernon.


Let me get this straight.... One of the biggest stars the world has ever seen is going to disappear and only a handful of people are going to know!! Alright, lets think about the logistics of such a thing.

1. You go to bed, get up leave Ginger saying you are going to the bathroom...... start the clock (does Ginger Know?)

2. Ginger notices you are missing and goes to the bathroom and finds a body (Ginger has to know) called for Joe (does Joe Know?) who is this dead person and how and where is the body delivered to Graceland, how did this body contain the drugs in the post mortum? How many people would it take to get the body there and who procured the body? At least 3 people would have to know! Vernon would have gone to the bathroom and seen the body, surely he would have recognised his own Son (Vernon has to know).

3. How is Elvis spirited away, who took him..... one maybe two people and to where? (they have to know)

4. Dr. Nick arrives at Graceland, he would know what Elvis looked like (Dr. Nick has to know)

That is approx 8 people who would have to know before the ambulance arrives!!

I'm just throwing things out here, ok . . . theorize, if you will, that Ginger was merely there for "show" . . . have you any proof that she actually "found" his body? Or any "body"? If she did, and it was "face down", how did she know it was him? Was she led to believe it was him even though it wasn't? Was she playing a part by saying to the media what she was instructed to say? She was the young trophy gal, a Pris look-alike, she witnessed the signing of the will (convenient), and she was there to tell the media how he went into the bathroom and then she found him . . . yada . . . but when you examine the events, fans can only judge by what a certain few people said, and their stories conflicted/changed over the years. And where's Ginger today? I've always wondered how it is that the woman who was going to "marry" Elvis Presley, was the last person to see him alive, and the person who "found his body" has really done nothing over the years . . . 'course maybe she's just a private person.

What about a "body" which resembled him?

I understand there is some sort of drug that can be injected into the system which makes a person "appear" lifeless for a period of time . . . who knows?

What makes you think, if he faked it, he was "spirited" away? Why wouldn't he have remained at Graceland?


Do you think Elvis could have been heartless enough to let his daughter think he had passed away? Lisa called Linda to let her know that her father was dead. I find it difficult to believe that a 9 year old could keep such a secret!

First of all, again, the public only has the story of Linda Thompson, saying that LM called her . . . Priscilla's comments . . . and later, Lisa's story . . . what makes everyone think that what these women say is actually what happened? That's basing your opinions on statements you cannot verify.

If it was faked and she was in on it, yes, I think it's debatable about whether a child could keep such a fantastic secret. But you have to consider that LM grew up in a very unusual situation, lots of dramatics, dysfunction, showbiz stuff . . . and her adult life has been, to say the least, dramatic and showy, so . . .


It is a well known fact that Elvis toured as he did to keep the revenue coming in to fund his lavish lifestyle, there wouldn't have been that much money to buy everyone off! If he did have, where were the funds coming from to keep Elvis in the future?

I don't believe that any of the general public can say, with any accuracy, that there were no off-shore accounts/investments. Why would anyone believe, without question, that funds were limited?


So what you are implying then is that anybody involved in such a cover up would have nothing to gain by revealing such a plot?

I'm saying they would have been set, with nothing further to gain - even trying to go public, they would be viewed as insane loonies (isn't that what the opposition naturally labels the theorists?)


Lets go along with the story for a minute and think about what the future held for Elvis post Aug 16th 1977.......... Failing health and medical bills, detox from his prescribed medication habit, no discernible future income, the loss of the ability to perform and record any new material.

He could get proper medical care.

Off-shore accounts/investments would take care of bills and income.

Detox is done everyday . . . but can anyone prove just "how" intense his addictions "really" were . . . ? (Again, these are subjects the general public really has no personal knowledge of, and cannot, therefore, speak about with any degree of certainty).

As for the ability to perform and record . . . that's a valid point. But some theorize he was just worn out, unchallenged musically, and had no further need for the serious pursuit of music. I don't think that's too far-fetched a notion.


To give someone of such a high profile a new life would have taken some heavyweight people of FBI re-location proportions, not to mention medical history etc.

Is that so incredible?


I've got to say that if Elvis had thought about such a intricate and elaborate plot to fool the world and his close friends and family not to mention..... yes the fans, would it not have been simpler to just stop touring and straighten himself out and got his life back on track, after all dropping out of the world as he new it would have been not only a massive culture shock but a permanent way of life he could never have envisaged (I'm not even getting into the "Elvis What happened" book or the Mafia extortion stories)

A valid point.
His personal life was a mess, his health/weight an issue, the lack of career challenges equated to boredom . . . imagine what he could have done musically and film-wise, but it wasn't happening . . . and from all indications, he was surrounded by a group of people wherein a growing sense of distrust prevailed . . . questions about who was loyal and who was not . . . and don't forget, he had a strange sense of humor and unlimited resources.


The above comment infers that possibly Elvis has some control over his affairs post Aug 16th 77,

Well, certainly, he may have.


I personally believe that had Elvis been alive at that time would certainly not have let Priscilla re-decorate my home to a time she preferred!

Wouldn't you want to get rid of that tasteless trove of Thompson trash?



Yes there were cover ups after Elvis' death, what we readily accept in today's society was not what was accepted in the 1970's. Todays culture does not care what happens in rock stars lives, they revel in seedy tales of debauched behaviour! Elvis' life in comparison to todays so called stars is positively angelic. The people around Elvis at the time of his death were defending the legacy and Image of their boss, this followed all the way down to doctors, pathologists etc. Elvis' lifestyle was kept under wraps and the fans at that time were not ready to hear the truth....... we all have the benefit of hindsight.

That's true.
But some fans will never want the truth . . . they prefer to sadly believe that E was all about them, that he lived for them, and that every decision he made in his life was based on them.


There are also those who are intelligent and do not see conspiracies around every corner, sometimes the simplest answer is the truth.

There are intelligent people on both sides of this debate.
It's unfortunate that those who refuse to even consider the idea, who resist any degree of knowledge, but resort to the predictable and disrespectful name-calling tend to be the majority.

[ajr]

By ones that argue ,call names & get so mad when 8/16/77 is trying to be discussed :


Quote:
..... it's thanks to the gullible people that do put forward these theories that fans are so often considered to be weirdos in the media. I've lost count of the amount of times that someone has found out I'm a fan and the first thing they've said is "oh I bet you believe he is alive right?"

THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING LAUGHED AT AND MADE FUN OF !! THAT'S IT !!

Who cares what the media or anyone else thinks ? Surely, we have a mind of our own ; a mouth to speak? {are we really so insecure or that important ?}
Frankly, I tell anyone that cares to listen....."I believe something is not quite right about 'the death of Elvis' . " You'd be surprised at how many I've met that breathe a sigh of relief and say, "Do you really ? You know I'm never believed that story either." And, I've made a friend & we compare our opinions. No name calling though. ;)

I don't care to say much more here . A few friends & I have our own place where we can talk & discuss our theories. To think of this topic on a message board as a debate just increases the probibility of name calling and hard feelings.

To debate infers ones trying to change another persons mind.
To discuss just means throwing out a new idea or concept and would value anothers opinion.

I usually don't say a word on other sites ....but, it appeared no one believed the same way elpfan & was challenging her at every turn.

BTW: When new people come to our place ; we welcome them, not jump all over them & call them names.
There IS one exception; if it's obvious someone's came to blast Elvis or anyone because we want to discuss our opinions ....it doesn't take long before they're gone .
:peace: :peace: We need more of it .

[T_J]

By ones that argue ,call names & get so mad when 8/16/77 is trying to be discussed :


Quote:
..... it's thanks to the gullible people that do put forward these theories that fans are so often considered to be weirdos in the media. I've lost count of the amount of times that someone has found out I'm a fan and the first thing they've said is "oh I bet you believe he is alive right?"

THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING LAUGHED AT AND MADE FUN OF !! THAT'S IT !!

Who cares what the media or anyone else thinks ? Surely, we have a mind of our own ; a mouth to speak? {are we really so insecure or that important ?}

The point is that what the media and people think about the fans directly reflects on Elvis. Elvis is too often portrayed as a joke as it is. The burgers, the is he alive stories, the shooting televisions etc etc. The focus should be on his artistic achievements, not the other crap.

[Unchained Melody]

The focus should be on his artistic achievements, not the other crap.

Agreed completely TJ !!!

[ajr]

The point is that what the media and people think about the fans directly reflects on Elvis. Elvis is too often portrayed as a joke as it is. The burgers, the is he alive stories, the shooting televisions etc etc. The focus should be on his artistic achievements, not the other crap.

The point is .....we {fans} didn't tell those stories . The MM did and still do . The crap was done TO Elvis by people that claimed to love him.
WE are the ones that allow all the BS to continue.

IF we are to concentrate on his artistic achievements , then we need to keep all opinions about his personal life off all sites . Is that what you're saying ??Actually, I tend to agree with that . It's really none of our business what Elvis did on his own time. NOT who he slept with ,NOT if he did drugs & certainly NOT in his bathroom !!

[ajr]

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[ajr]

Now believe the MM and all the crap they put out here . I don't care , but don't ever tell me how wonderful & believable they are . They're a joke .
Marty thought it was really funny .

[jak]

I have tried to get a death certificate. Sent my money & everything To Div.of VS in Memphis. They won't do it.
As you say; the autopsy will not be available until 2027.
As to autopsy pics, why not? If JFK's can be shown, why not EP's?

I take no pleasure in death.......I've worked around it too long. Death is a part of life, so I'm not concered about any of that.

It's NOT so hard to believe that someone can die .....it's quite another thing to cover a death up . Why should there be any secrets ? That is the crazy part. Why should anyone care ?

If you really cared for Elvis why would you want to see the autopsy photos?I for one would like to avoid the image of Elvis dead on a slab.Elvis was such a vibrant human being.Who would want to see him benig cut open?You dont have any rights to that autopsy.You are not part of his family.That autopsy report is none of your business and they are not obligated to provide you with anything.
Jak

[0349054]

I have tried to get a death certificate. Sent my money & everything To Div.of VS in Memphis. They won't do it.
As you say; the autopsy will not be available until 2027.
As to autopsy pics, why not? If JFK's can be shown, why not EP's?

I take no pleasure in death.......I've worked around it too long. Death is a part of life, so I'm not concered about any of that.

It's NOT so hard to believe that someone can die .....it's quite another thing to cover a death up . Why should there be any secrets ? That is the crazy part. Why should anyone care ?


Do you really think the Kennedy family are proud of the fcat that JFK's pic leaked out?

I'm delighted that Elvis's never will.

Go on believing he faked his death, i really do feel for you that you believe this.

[0349054]

Now believe the MM and all the crap they put out here . I don't care , but don't ever tell me how wonderful & believable they are . They're a joke .
Marty thought it was really funny .


Marty and Billy did that article as a joke. Everyone will have an opinion on whether they should have done it or not.

Billy was the closet person to Elvis in the last few years of his life. As Elvis began to push people away due to his depression he pulled in Billy more and more.

As for August 16th 1977, I really don't see where the suspicion arises with people like you, who claim you are here to discuss, but you have failed to produce anything to back up your statements. Anyone can throw out wild statements, the trick is actually backing it up with something of substance.......then there is something to discuss.

On August 16th 1977, Elvis died in Graceland. Elvis was not healthy and had been abusing prescription medication for years.

There is no cover up, or faking of a death. The only cover up that occured was clearing EP's bathroom of everything after the ambulance arrived and he was taken to Baptist Memorial. All the drugs were removed, it was actually done a bit too well, as not even a paracetemol was found in the bathroom afterwards.

Elvis had been dead for some time when he was found, however they did manage to get a heartbeat out of him in Baptist Memorial, much to Dr.Nick's suprise.

To believe fantastical theories that he faked his death or was involved in some elaborate cover-up is akin to believing he was abducted by Rock n Roll loving aliens!

I presume you believe a wax dummy was placed in Elvis's coffin for the PUBLIC viewing of his body in Graceland?

As for Vernon playing his part as elpfan was suggesting.......well.....Vernon played a great part - handing over Elvis's estate to Priscilla and a few others - something which Elvis made no provision for in his will. I'm sure Elvis would fake his death, for his ex-wife, who he had earlier that year denied the use of the Lisa Marie to, to eventually gain control only 2 years later of ALL his worldly assets so to speak?

Ginger seems to be a private person.....her family did manage to sue the estate after Elvis's death, and proof she found the body.....are you actually serious!?! Hey maybe it was JFK, or maybe Elvis shot JFK and committed suicide because he couldent live with the guilt? Have you actually got any intelligent argument or is it just wild statements as well?

Have you ever examined Elvis's spending...compared with his earnings? There wasn't much left when he died. He was working so much to pay for everything, the MM, Graceland etc....

Your comment elpfan about Elvis's unlimited resources....? Would you like to expand on it? Because Elvis didn't have unlimited resources. Especially seeing as he faked his death and left his best asset - Graceland - behind. Graceland then began to leak money very very quickly his death. Not a savvy business move.

The thing is elpfan that you have not put forward anything except a theory. No hard evidence, no proof and no real plausable explanation for Elvis to fake his death. The burden is on you and the others who support this niche market to produce something of significance to back up your wild claims and statements.

Elvis is dead. He died at Graceland on August 16th 1977.

Build a bridge and get over it.

[presley]

If Marty and billy did that article for a joke that goes to show you they don't have no respect for elvis or elvis's fans.

[0349054]

Billy was the closest person to Elvis before EP died. It was a joke. They were making fun of everyone going around saying he's alive by doing it.

Elvis had a sense of humour.....I sometimes wonder if his fans do!

[Sonny]

It's a tough subject friends, but let's keep an open mind, all of us!

Sonny

[Donut]

Does anybody here consider Vernon or the MM so naive to let "Elvis wax dummy" seen for hundreds of people in his casket and think nobody would notice it wasn?t really him ?
Elvis is dead from 77 and the faking his death theory hasn?t any consistency. Elvis?daughter has proof to say he died (death certificate, autopsy, seen his body in his casket...) what do the supportes of the faking his own death theory have ? We haven?t any fact to think he is alive unless you find him and make him talk. If anyone can do that I will eat my words.

[elpfan]

Elvis is too often portrayed as a joke as it is. The burgers, the is he alive stories, the shooting televisions etc etc. The focus should be on his artistic achievements, not the other crap.

E was partially responsible for providing the foundation for many of the jokes.

[elpfan]

That autopsy report is none of your business and they are not obligated to provide you with anything.
Jak


Wow. But fans think E owed them everything. And fans think EPE and Pris and Lisa owe them this and that . . . open the house, release photos, the music, personal items, etc. The rules in the Elvis world are very selective . . .

[elpfan]

If you really cared for Elvis why would you want to see the autopsy photos?I for one would like to avoid the image of Elvis dead on a slab.Elvis was such a vibrant human being.Who would want to see him benig cut open?You dont have any rights to that autopsy.You are not part of his family.That autopsy report is none of your business and they are not obligated to provide you with anything.
Jak

The whole concept is morbid.
But this kind of outrage comes from the same people who think it's "peaceful" to stand over the grave, who think they have the right to go through the house that was his only respite from the world . . .

[elpfan]

Billy was the closet person to Elvis in the last few years of his life. As Elvis began to push people away due to his depression he pulled in Billy more and more.

Who says?


As for August 16th 1977, I really don't see where the suspicion arises with people like you, who claim you are here to discuss, but you have failed to produce anything to back up your statements. Anyone can throw out wild statements, the trick is actually backing it up with something of substance.......then there is something to discuss.

That works the same way on the other side of the discussion.


On August 16th 1977, Elvis died in Graceland. Elvis was not healthy and had been abusing prescription medication for years.

There is no cover up, or faking of a death.

You do not know that with absolute certainty.



Elvis had been dead for some time when he was found, however they did manage to get a heartbeat out of him in Baptist Memorial, much to Dr.Nick's suprise.

You don't know that, either.



To believe fantastical theories that he faked his death or was involved in some elaborate cover-up is akin to believing he was abducted by Rock n Roll loving aliens!

Your opinion - not fact.


I presume you believe a wax dummy was placed in Elvis's coffin for the PUBLIC viewing of his body in Graceland?

I do not believe it was a wax dummy NOR do I believe it was not a wax dummy.

But it is absolutely possible that it was, and would explain many things.


As for Vernon playing his part as elpfan was suggesting.......well.....Vernon played a great part - handing over Elvis's estate to Priscilla and a few others - something which Elvis made no provision for in his will. I'm sure Elvis would fake his death, for his ex-wife, who he had earlier that year denied the use of the Lisa Marie to, to eventually gain control only 2 years later of ALL his worldly assets so to speak?

Incorrect in content.


Ginger seems to be a private person.....her family did manage to sue the estate after Elvis's death, and proof she found the body.....are you actually serious!?!

Also incorrect in content.


Have you ever examined Elvis's spending...compared with his earnings? There wasn't much left when he died. He was working so much to pay for everything, the MM, Graceland etc. . . .

Because Elvis didn't have unlimited resources. Especially seeing as he faked his death and left his best asset - Graceland - behind. Graceland then began to leak money very very quickly his death. Not a savvy business move.


Unless you were his personal/business accountant, you have no proof of this.



The thing is elpfan that you have not put forward anything except a theory.

I've never stated that I would offer anything but theories here.
If you've paid attention, you'd see that I stated that I'm not here to say he did or did not . . . it's just debate . . . or discussion as another poster prefers (as is his/her right) to call it.

I do find it interesting that my "theories" create such indignance.


No hard evidence, no proof and no real plausable explanation for Elvis to fake his death. The burden is on you and the others who support this niche market to produce something of significance to back up your wild claims and statements.

The burden is not on me because I've made NO statements to the effect that Elvis Presley DID fake his death.

However, you and others who are so angered by the notion HAVE indeed stated that he did NOT. Therefore, the burden would be on those individuals.



. . . get over it.

I don't have to . . .
You see, I'm not angered by this topic . . .

I'm not a selfish fan who thinks E lived for me and all the millions of fans . . .

I choose to think that IF he faked his death, he did so for mighty good reasons and with good right . . .

I know he was a flawed man, a sterling performer, a sad individual who searched for something that was missing in his life and . . .

I know that he may - or may not - have found whatever it was.

[elpfan]

I don't care to say much more here . A few friends & I have our own place where we can talk & discuss our theories. To think of this topic on a message board as a debate just increases the probibility of name calling and hard feelings.

To debate infers ones trying to change another persons mind.
To discuss just means throwing out a new idea or concept and would value anothers opinion.



It's fine to make some distinction . . . I personally don't view debate as trying to change minds . . . I figure, in the course of debate, I'm discussing the issues, throwing around ideas, making people think . . . and when they argue, or provide counter-points (valid or not), it's debate.

You and I know that whatever you call it, those with closed minds overlook any insightful ideas, thoughts, or information . . . and resort to vacuous name-calling . . . because that's all they have.

:peace:

[srj1967]

Rude.
Learn to respect another's opinions.

elpfan,

I will only respect other people's opinions on Elvis when and if they deserve respect.

Anyone and any theory that perpetuates the myth or idea that Elvis is still alive deserves nothing less than to be pilloried. It is *****ic, insane, disrespectul, utterly devoid of reason and just plain, dumb.

I will entertain people who disagree with me on subjects like the man himself, his music, his life etc. But not this. Anyone ... and I mean anyone ... who reckons Elvis is alive is a clown. :lmfao:

And I will not be offering any further responses to you or anyone on this topic.

[Unchained Melody]

I couldn't agree more SRJ1967 !!!:notworthy

[0349054]

elpfan,

I will only respect other people's opinions on Elvis when and if they deserve respect.

Anyone and any theory that perpetutates the myth or idea that Elvis is still alive deserves nothing less than to be pilloried. It is *****ic, insane, disrespectul, utterly devoid of reason and just plain, dumb.

I will entertain people who disagree with me on subjects like the man himself, his music, his life etc. But not this. Anyone ... and I mean anyone ... who reckons Elvis is alive is a clown. :lmfao:

And I will not be offering any further responses to you or anyone on this topic.


Coulden't agree more.

He belongs in a cricus with his quacky ideas and beliefs!

[0349054]

Who says?



That works the same way on the other side of the discussion.



You do not know that with absolute certainty.




You don't know that, either.




Your opinion - not fact.



I do not believe it was a wax dummy NOR do I believe it was not a wax dummy.

But it is absolutely possible that it was, and would explain many things.



Incorrect in content.



Also incorrect in content.




Unless you were his personal/business accountant, you have no proof of this.




I've never stated that I would offer anything but theories here.
If you've paid attention, you'd see that I stated that I'm not here to say he did or did not . . . it's just debate . . . or discussion as another poster prefers (as is his/her right) to call it.

I do find it interesting that my "theories" create such indignance.



The burden is not on me because I've made NO statements to the effect that Elvis Presley DID fake his death.

However, you and others who are so angered by the notion HAVE indeed stated that he did NOT. Therefore, the burden would be on those individuals.




I don't have to . . .
You see, I'm not angered by this topic . . .

I'm not a selfish fan who thinks E lived for me and all the millions of fans . . .

I choose to think that IF he faked his death, he did so for mighty good reasons and with good right . . .

I know he was a flawed man, a sterling performer, a sad individual who searched for something that was missing in his life and . . .

I know that he may - or may not - have found whatever it was.

Yea, that's right.

If you were capable of putting forward anything I would respond, but not suprisingly you are not.

[presley]

We are all intilted to are own beliefs on things.

[0349054]

Of course, just like nutters who fly planes into buildings!

[elvis himselvis]

men

Elvis is dead
let him rest in peace and stop all this bullsh*t

[elpfan]

elpfan,

I will only respect other people's opinions on Elvis when and if they deserve respect.

Anyone and any theory that perpetuates the myth or idea that Elvis is still alive deserves nothing less than to be pilloried. It is *****ic, insane, disrespectul, utterly devoid of reason and just plain, dumb.

What you should ask yourself if why you are so angered, so outraged about this topic.

Your anger is of no concern to me, but it is merely a reflection back to you - it has nothing to do with me or anyone who debates/discusses this topic as being plausible.


I will entertain people who disagree with me on subjects like the man himself, his music, his life etc. But not this. Anyone ... and I mean anyone ... who reckons Elvis is alive is a clown. :lmfao:

And I will not be offering any further responses to you or anyone on this topic.

Ok. I don't recall asking for or recognizing your participation.

But it is curious why you so want EP to be dead and gone. It's a strange phenomena here . . . those who come out swinging, fighting in order to say - beyond doubt - that he is not alive. Sad, but certainly your right.

[elpfan]

Of course, just like nutters who fly planes into buildings!


You are comparing those who theorize that EP faked his death with terrorists? That would be laughable if it wasn't so plainly sad.

[elpfan]

Yea, that's right.

If you were capable of putting forward anything I would respond, but not suprisingly you are not.


I offered about as fair and concise an explanation as possible.
Your reply could not be more obtuse.

This is a real study in psychology . . . the more serious issue appears to be not whether EP faked his death, but why it is that you and others like you have such a belligerent/hostile desire to proclaim his death and why you have such disdain for the idea that he is alive.

If this topic did not bother you and others so much, you'd simply respect my views, and move on without even posting.

The problem is, you know that it's possible . . .

[elpfan]

We are all intilted to are own beliefs on things.

(y)

Unfortunately, a handful of posters here do not understand that concept.

[elpfan]

men

Elvis is dead

Perhaps, perhaps not.


let him rest in peace and stop all this bullsh*t

Bullsh*t is a subjective term . . .