"See, what happened....." (Myrna Smith)

[Lonniebealestreet]

I just recently read something about that conversation with the Sweets from TTWII in Essential Elvis, told by Myrna Smith. If this is commonly known, forgive me. I hadn't heard it and thought it was pretty funny.

You know, we were sitting around feeling so bad for poor Gee Gee. We knew that we were being filmed, but we still expected Elvis to tell us the truth. He was lying his head off! 'Infant baby'? He just had to make up that story because he had fired Gee Gee. I actually learned the truth only about ten years ago. But he never did clear that up with us. He never said, "You know what? I was just doing that for the cameras." He laughed about it to the guys later, but he kept us in the dark about that.

:lol:

You know...Not to be negative but Elvis stutters pretty bad just before giving the reason why "Gee Gee is no longer with us." It's minimized in the Special Edition, by the way. But if you realize that he's about to tell a whopper, it seems to fit.

I thought that was funny though, especially because he did go into all that detail about the circumstances. Heck, I always found that conversation a little amusing anyway, but it's even more so now, knowing the truth about it.

I wonder why Gee Gee was fired too. He was married to Elvis' cousin Patsy Presley (Gambill). He was back later though...I don't recall seeing much of him in the movie, but I think in EOT he is listed in the credits under 'Assistants to Elvis Presley' or something like that.

[P.S. Annie]

Hi Bobby, thanks ineteresting story, never heard of it. I wonder if someone can tell why Gee Gee got fired, if that is the story :D

[Jungleroom76]

That's interesting buddy....I hadn't heard that story either about the whole Gee Gee story being made up! :hmm:

Thanks for sharing that with us!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[Captain Elwood David]

EP would say many different things to many different people ................ for many different reasons .....................

This is also, one of the reasons, that there are different stories & MYTH - sourced to even those that were there.

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EP talked & lot, but all would be well served to realize that, in some cases, ............... it was just t-a-l-k. I have come across this countless times as related to EP. Things that EP said, did not necessarily automatically translate into eventual "reality" (eg: marrying Ginger as told to Ginger, firing Esposito as told to Billy Smith, getting rid of The Col. / cleaning his own act up as told to Geller, ........ etc. ............. there are many, many more examples for critically thinking hardcore fans to ferret out - if interested enough) ...............

When you add to this (EP's propensity to spin a tale for his own reasons), the tendency of those who there to embellish / inflate or twist their roles in events -----------> the waters sometimes become hopelessly muddled & require lots of filtering to get to the "Truth."

One blatant whopper that he obviously told Kathy Westmoreland was the "Cancer" "story." Some who were even there (around EP) are unable to accept / comprehend what was really going on ...............

As a result, it also hard (if not impossible in some cases), for some "Fans" to accept / comprehend the same. ;)

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Great post Lonnie, ............. a tip of my hat. :notworthy (Need more like this here).


- Capt. "EL."

[charlie rodgers]

great post lonnie ive never heard that side of that story before

on a little side note:i think maybe elvis was or could be a a kind of fantast/storyteller sometimes(the mm shure was) dont get me wrong im not calling him a lier not at all but i think that to be a creatively working artist you have to have a good imagination and i think elvis imagination was working fine if you now what i mean and maybe just maybe he could have a tendency to overimpose/exagerate
his storys sometimes,i dont think he really did mean to tell a lie but maybe sometimes do it for just the shock of the story ,he would twist it a little bit just to see people reactions
a good examble of him twisting the true a little bit is when he did
softly as i leave you intruducin it as a true story
but even after reading countless of books on elvis ive would never clame to now what elvis was thinking but i think some of us try to find out/ imagin(theirs that word again,my imagination is working fine to )what really was going on in elvis live,i think its a quite interesting study but man all of those conflictin storys in all of those books :hmm:, but some of them storys you can cross reference and thats when i think you are a little bit closer to the real story.sorry if i did run of the tracks a little bit but maybe im a little bit of a fantast/storyteller to.:blink:
all the best

[Lonniebealestreet]

Thanks for the responses, all. Glad you liked that.

Charlie, the 'Softly' intro is a great example of Elvis' affinity for 'storytelling'.

Cappy, I was surprised to see Kathy still standing by the bone cancer story on Larry King...and further surprised that she seemed confused by the opposition. That was a rare appearance from her though; maybe she really didn't know that theory has been thoroughly denounced. Also--and perhaps this was just her way of stretching the truth to make her point--if I'm not mistaken, she actually said Elvis told her that shortly after she first met him! I think she just slipped up though and was responding to Marty or Lamar's point about that theory being thought up after Elvis died...like if she said he told her that 7 years before he died rather than the year he died, then her point carried more weight. Anyway, it was nice to see her on that show.

Aside from the tendency of the guys to embellish things for self-promotion, I think they also do so simply for effect much in the same way Elvis did. Lamar in particular comes to mind. I must say, I enjoy his colorful way of telling a tale.

Though it's a bit 'gossipy' in some ways...though some details could have been left unsaid, I very much enjoy the 'Revelations' book and am surprised not to hear it named more often here. But I found Lamar to be a pretty entertaining character in it...even when it was obvious that he was exaggerating. Marty's and Billy's recollections were equally enjoyable, but in different ways. That is by far my most read Elvis book.

Pardon the slight tangent there.

[geordie]

ive just received the new edition of one of the elvis mags i get,and i read this story that i had never heard before.

myrna was asked the Q. ( fans will recall the segment from TTWII where elvis is explaining the reason as to why gee gee had left the group ) .myrna answers elvis lied on camera, he made this story up because he had actually fired gee gee, she said she didnt know the reason why ,and that she only got to know the truth about this ten years ago.by the way she was laughing while telling this story. :hmm: :P

[Albert]

Pretty weird that they've left such an essential and personal moment in the final cut of TTWII. If it was a lie indeed than Elvis could have easily have it cut out of it.

And it's also weird that none of the Sweet Inspirations obviously haven't contacted Gee Gee (especially since they knew what the reason -according to Elvis- of the absence of Gee Gee). So they probably weren't that concerned about it after all ;)

[Missy]

I know, that it's right what that quote of her concernes. Myrna told me, that he was doing his best acting lying through his teeth. :)

Well, it didn't hurt anyone. I never would think, that someone would openly tell anyone in a biography type of film the day to day routine and negative things. That's not really, what the people expected to see.

Myrna said also, that she don't like herself smoking one cigarette after another in TTWII... ;)

TLC 4 Elvis
Missy

[Lonniebealestreet]

Thanks for the insights, Missy.

It's weird...When you posted that, presumably unbeknownst to everyone here, Gee had literally been "no longer with us" for two days. I just read in the news section that he was hit by a car and and died soon thereafter on the 20th.

RIP, Gee Gee.

[Leroy]

There were some incidents in Elvis' surroundings in those days. I don't know if Gee Gee was involved or not but if he was it could be the reason of being sacked. There was one incident where some pieces of jewelry were missed.
Another incident tells a story where Elvis tested the loyalty of some of his men by lying money on his bed sheet and calling in some men one by one and then excuse himself for a while. By one of them some money was missed.
Again I don't know if Gee Gee was involved because no names were added.

[MysteryTrain]

Intressting story Leroy. I have not heard this before. :hmm: I guess Elvis had the right to test their loyalty.

[Captain Elwood David]

Leroy is a fellow poster that I will tip my hat to ............... definitely a fellow hardcore EP fan in every sense of the word.

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Some more on Leroy's points:

1. I believe the missing jewelry incident involved "Hamburger James" as the culprit. Some of the pieces were EP's coveted "Karate" ring & some Pris. polaroids. Bad news, big time.

2. The money on the bed bait-game (carried out in EP's bedroom upstairs @ Graceland) involved some "Presley" family members ........... that EP suspected & had no use for anyway. EP used it as a good excuse as any to be rid of them once & for all.

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Take home "MYTH- BUSTING" Message from this great thread -----------> EP was capable of & did indeed tell some WHOPPERS from time to time.


- Capt. "EL."

[quinn53]

Elvis sure fooled me. I've been believing the infant baby story all these years!

[Leroy]

Thanks Captain for your kind words. I really do apriciate it when someone recognize my intentions.

I knew both stories but was not able to specify them. Luckly you could.
But that still left us without the reason why Marvin was sacked. I surely hope an answer will come. Ain't it fun to tell an reasonable old story to discover that only a handful of people seem to know?????

[Captain Elwood David]

Unless "GG" has kin that he discussed that specific incident with ................. the real reason may never be known now.

Unfortunately, ....... many untold stories may remain forever as such once those that were there are no longer with us.

With time, some stories will be conveniently forgotten, while others will continue to grow and eventually be re-written ......... as "MYTH."


- Capt. "EL."

[Indre]

Oh, Goodness! I really actually believed the story about infant baby! :blush: He was sounding so calm and convincing...:laughing: Poor Gee Gee.. :lmfao: