Elvis: Fall From Graceland

[vivaelvis]

This is a short but to the point article. And it's true. http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/20130104/NJENT01/301040029/Elvis-Presley-Fall-from-Graceland

[Snake Eyes]

Kathy Dzielak comes across in this article as a complete *****.

"You’re never too old to rock ’n’ roll, the saying goes.

Unless you’re dead, that is.

Elvis Presley, the King of Rock ’n’ Roll, was born 78 years ago this month, but he isn’t around to celebrate.

In fact, he hasn’t been around at all, not since 1977.

Never too old to rock ’n’ roll? In Presley’s case, the more appropriate slogan is live fast, die young and be a badly bloated corpse."

[rocknroll]

It is a short article....short on facts and short on perspective. As it states in the piece, it is an opinion.

[Diane]

As much as the article leaves out, I believe it's based on fact as far as the neglect from those surrounding him goes. A man doesn't hide in drugs if he's happy and feels secure in himself. The constant battles between the members of the mafia must have been darn hard on the nerves all those years, the broken marriage etc. As once was said, no man is an island........

[debtdbruno]

have to agree Viva......short and succulently put.....but very true

[KPM]

There are enough "downers" in life-this person chose to highlight the negatives on the celebration of Elvis's 78th birthday...instead of highlighting his huge talent, charisma and generosity.
I am not disputing what was written, but the lack of attention to who and what Elvis was in life...his contributions to culture and music....his helping to open doors for all entertainers no matter color...

[King Of The Whole World]

I'm not going to read the article after reading your comments. I can't stand articles that make fun of Elvis.

[steve grayson]

well..that`s it..that's what really happend...the right facts
steve

[rocknroll]

Only Elvis could really help himself.

[Snake Eyes]

There are enough "downers" in life-this person chose to highlight the negatives on the celebration of Elvis's 78th birthday...instead of highlighting his huge talent, charisma and generosity.
I am not disputing what was written, but the lack of attention to who and what Elvis was in life...his contributions to culture and music....his helping to open doors for all entertainers no matter color...

Exactly Ken.

[debtdbruno]

I'm not going to read the article after reading your comments. I can't stand articles that make fun of Elvis.

it's not making fun of him.....read it, it states the sadness of his situation and how people didn't help him

[josephinebeau]

I was born in 78 and so my whole childhood was filled with "Elvis is Alive" bs, dreadfully tacky impersonators, and emphasizing everything that was wrong and went wrong in his life. I understand that it is hard to believe someone that great could succumb to human weaknesses but he did. Why can't the media just let him be an look at all the amazing things he did right and all the happiness he still brings to generations of fans.

[Diane]

it's not making fun of him.....read it, it states the sadness of his situation and how people didn't help him

That's how I read it too but I was beginning to wonder if I'd missed something...thanks Deb(y)

[Cliff]

Kathy Dzielak comes across in this article as a complete *****.

"You’re never too old to rock ’n’ roll, the saying goes.

Unless you’re dead, that is.

Elvis Presley, the King of Rock ’n’ Roll, was born 78 years ago this month, but he isn’t around to celebrate.

In fact, he hasn’t been around at all, not since 1977.

Never too old to rock ’n’ roll? In Presley’s case, the more appropriate slogan is live fast, die young and be a badly bloated corpse."

To me this is completely disrespectful of Elvis and his memory. I won't bring myself down to her level by saying what I think of her.
I can't figure people like this. If they don't like him or not interested in him then why write rubbish like this? Must have been a slow day !!

[elvia7]

it's not making fun of him.....read it, it states the sadness of his situation and how people didn't help him

THANKS DEB I agree ..........

[elvia7]

Only Elvis could really help himself.



No! He could not help himself. You do not know what stress he lived?
J. Lennon what he said? "No human being would not be able to withstand being ELVIS PRESLEY!"

[debtdbruno]

Its hard to understand his situation....when I have 'less' of my rose tinted glasses on, I go by the theory that he should have stood up to Tom Parker more.....told the guys to s*d off etc etc....

then I go into sympathy mode......bless him, nobody helped him, why couldn't anyone see what he was going through...etc etc....

its not a 'black or white' situation...and as the great man himself said..."you never walked in that Man's shoes". Who are we to judge? he was in a very unique situation

[Diane]

Its hard to understand his situation....when I have 'less' of my rose tinted glasses on, I go by the theory that he should have stood up to Tom Parker more.....told the guys to s*d off etc etc....

then I go into sympathy mode......bless him, nobody helped him, why couldn't anyone see what he was going through...etc etc....

its not a 'black or white' situation...and as the great man himself said..."you never walked in that Man's shoes". Who are we to judge? he was in a very unique situation

Agree, I just always go with my instincts (and heart).

[Snake Eyes]

I know the article is true, but what a nice little uplifting piece in time for his birthday. Gooooooo Kathy :lame:

[KPM]

Its hard to understand his situation....when I have 'less' of my rose tinted glasses on, I go by the theory that he should have stood up to Tom Parker more.....told the guys to s*d off etc etc....

then I go into sympathy mode......bless him, nobody helped him, why couldn't anyone see what he was going through...etc etc....

its not a 'black or white' situation...and as the great man himself said..."you never walked in that Man's shoes". Who are we to judge? he was in a very unique situation
That is the one thing people often forget when speaking of Elvis and his problems-he was "special" beyond the norm for what is known as special.
Elvis wanted everyone to believe he was in total control-and the people around him played along. We all know he was not in total control, and had huge insecurities and huge issues that led him to the path he followed. Elvis did not know how to cope with these problems, but he could never admit it to people who thought that he was "In total control and had all the answers" They were willing to stay and pretend 95% of the time that Elvis did have the answers, Elvis did have it all under his belt.
Just going out with a girl might seem a simple normal situation-but he had to contend with his own knowledge of how woman perceived him to be.........IE ELVIS totally in control, totally without peer physically, ELVIS totally and fully the greatest lover and man who walked the earth.......imagine having to think about-"what will she think if I do not put a move on her, what will she think if I am not up to her expectations on all fronts".....thats a heavy heavy burden to carry that very few could relate to on the level of Elvis........and we forget that in every single thing he did (no matter how simple) he was under the gun-to appear totally and fully the Supreme person in those situations.


We have all seen the way the guys and girsl acted around Elvis in videos-most claim to have tried many times to help him, but look at how they constantly cowtowed to him in public and from most books you read-in private also. Lamar especially has contended he made many attempts to confront Elvis-just look at any video evidence like the TTWII and EOT outtakes and Lamar is a whipped puppy who just does as he is told...hardly the type man to stand up to Elvis in a meaningful way.
I do not blame these guys-I have said for my entire time as a member of TCB World that this was a dysfunctional situation....friends as employee/friend as the boss......its almost never works...the lines get blurred and eventually everyone involved tires of not knowing when I am friend, and when I am employee.
By cowtowing 95% of the time they could never gain real respect and by enabling Elvis.... instead of helping him...they unintentionally hurt him.
He was not in control, they could all see it but instead of helping him understand its okay to have problems and issues as long as you recognise them and try to overcome them-"they pretended he was IN CONTROL"
Once again people around someone "Can make a difference" it happens everyday all over the world.

But this was unique, it was not black and white...it was a special situation that none of us can ever even imagine we could understand from the outside.

The times they stood up to him-were not that frequent, and they always came back whether they were fired or quit.
Sure no one can make decisions for another person-but there is a process called "enabling" and they definitely fit that process.
People who were strong and stood up to Elvis, gained his respect and he would do things he normally did not have the courage to do.
How many people around Elvis were really like that, how many really on a consistent basis pushed the envelope and gained his respect?
The people who did professionally , like Chips Moman, or Steve Bender....did not depend upon Elvis for anything other than the project at hand and they told him the truth....did not sugar coat it or half heartedily make their ideas known.....Elvis needed to respect someone before he would listen and learn in his professional life and that would be the same in his private life.........unfortunately most of the guys did depend upon Elvis, they did want to be where they were, they liked the perks and only occasionally would explode with things Elvis did not want to hear.
Exploding is not the way to reach someone, it just causes confrontation and nothing is accomplished.

[rocknroll]

No! He could not help himself. You do not know what stress he lived?
J. Lennon what he said? "No human being would not be able to withstand being ELVIS PRESLEY!"

Please, this is such a cop out. No one said no to Elvis because he never accepted no. I agree, most of the MM were scum, but Elvis needed to grow a pair and boot them and take contol of his own life.

There is only one to blame and that is Elvis.

If he were "stressed" and depressed, he surrounded himself with the wrong people to get through it, I agree. Again, it's on him to surround himself with the right people - friends, family AND professionals.

[Diane]

Elvis surrounded himself with people he knew and grew up with....wouldn't anyone do the same? Just bad luck that they were the way they were. He needed people around as that was how he grew up with a lot of people around him. He just wasn't good at telling anyone to hit the door. It's not easy for a lot of people so let's give him some slack. I don't know anyone who deals with everything they way they should.

[KPM]

Elvis was not allowed to make mistakes because anyone whos THE KING can't make an error, and now in death hes not allowed to be human...the same expectations about his life exist..the same standard of his every move should have been perfect because he was THE KING.
I can not pass judgement upon how he lived, I did not live it.
I can not pass judgement upon on how pressures, tensions, and insecurities for him could have been affected by those around him, I did not feel it.
I can not pass judgement upon his path in life and his walk....I did not walk in his shoes.

[vivaelvis]

Please, this is such a cop out. No one said no to Elvis because he never accepted no. I agree, most of the MM were scum, but Elvis needed to grow a pair and boot them and take contol of his own life.

There is only one to blame and that is Elvis.

If he were "stressed" and depressed, he surrounded himself with the wrong people to get through it, I agree. Again, it's on him to surround himself with the right people - friends, family AND professionals.

I agree with some of that. But the Colonel had Elvis locked down like a prisoner. He manipulated Elvis and bullied him and his entourage. Elvis lost confidence in himself because of Parker and it led him to depression and like Elvisa said, stress. That all led to the drug abuse. The stress is what killed him and wore on his heart physically. Not the drugs. He also had bad eating habits that contributed to his health problems.

Elvis should have fired some of the Mafia around 1969. When he moved on from Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana and The Jordanaires as his band, he should have moved on from the Mafia as well. But Elvis became too dependent on them that he couldn't part ways with them. That was his biggest problem.

[King Of The Whole World]

I just don't agree with people who say the Memphis Mafia did not try to help him. We do not know because we were not there, they could have tried to help him but failed each time. I do think they were afraid to push to hard so they wouldn't be kicked out of the group but there is only so much they could do any way. Elvis had to be the one who says, I have a problem but he didn't think he was doing anything wrong. You know Vernon had to know there was a problem but did he try to help, we don't know if he did or not.

I think if Linda couldn't get him to see the light, then the MM were sure not going to get him to stop either.

[KPM]

I just don't agree with people who say the Memphis Mafia did not try to help him. We do not know because we were not there, they could have tried to help him but failed each time. I do think they were afraid to push to hard so they wouldn't be kicked out of the group but there is only so much they could do any way. Elvis had to be the one who says, I have a problem but he didn't think he was doing anything wrong. You know Vernon had to know there was a problem but did he try to help, we don't know if he did or not.

I think if Linda couldn't get him to see the light, then the MM were sure not going to get him to stop either.
I do think some of the MM made "an" effort a time or two-but not as a group, not in any concerted continued effort that was supported by everyone with a plan of action....and some of the claims that have been made of trying-do not sound true to the way in which certain people are known to have acted the bulk of the time (IE Lamar and his claims of blunt comments to Elvis on all sorts of things)
Sure we were not there but just as we can see Elvis and his life through reading, interviews and media-also the MM are just as transparent using the same sources. I think the bulk of the efforts made to "get Elvis to see the light" were hit and miss in times of great emotions and tension-and as I pointed out-that is the wrong time to help someone understand your point-it amounts to confrontation and combat.
What if all the guys & with Parker, Vernon and Priscilla had really stood together and not wavered...and told Elvis we love you, you are falling into a terrible spiral and we are worried that you do not see it...then had a respected doctor of high standing try to make the case that many times you do not see what is happening because of the effects of the meds and how over time they can make a strong man....weak.
But there was no orchestrated effort ever, Parker would have worried about the bad publicity and the damage to the money flow, the guys would have been worried about losing their jobs/the perks of woman and gifts and Elvis's friendship, Vernon just did not have the strength to really confront Elvis he feared his temper...by the time Priscilla had enough guts to really confront Elvis-she was leaving him....and last but not least many of the MM themselves all had bad habits from alcohol to drug usage that kept them from thinking straight 24/7.
I can tell you it is not impossible to turn someones life around-but it takes a huge continued group effort and a
"We wont take no for an answer attitude"
Elvis did not want his fans to know of his problems-he wan't to keep the lid on.........thats evident by his trying to stop the book EWH perhaps if everyone had stood up and said-"You let us get you help....or we all go to the press and everyone will know" might have saved his life.
There are no guarantees in things like this-but I know one thing for sure....no effort such as I describe was ever tried.
Its true Elvis had to see his problem-but very few people in downward spirals just suddenly sit up one morning and all on their own decide
"Wow I am in trouble"
Someone or something has to spur that moment to reality....no one ever did.
No man is an island is not just my motto-its the truth.

[Diane]

I do think some of the MM made "an" effort a time or two-but not as a group, not in any concerted continued effort that was supported by everyone with a plan of action....and some of the claims that have been made of trying-do not sound true to the way in which certain people are known to have acted the bulk of the time (IE Lamar and his claims of blunt comments to Elvis on all sorts of things)
Sure we were not there but just as we can see Elvis and his life through reading, interviews and media-also the MM are just as transparent using the same sources. I think the bulk of the efforts made to "get Elvis to see the light" were hit and miss in times of great emotions and tension-and as I pointed out-that is the wrong time to help someone understand your point-it amounts to confrontation and combat.
What if all the guys & with Parker, Vernon and Priscilla had really stood together and not wavered...and told Elvis we love you, you are falling into a terrible spiral and we are worried that you do not see it...then had a respected doctor of high standing try to make the case that many times you do not see what is happening because of the effects of the meds and how over time they can make a strong man....weak.
But there was no orchestrated effort ever, Parker would have worried about the bad publicity and the damage to the money flow, the guys would have been worried about losing their jobs/the perks of woman and gifts and Elvis's friendship, Vernon just did not have the strength to really confront Elvis he feared his temper...by the time Priscilla had enough guts to really confront Elvis-she was leaving him....and last but not least many of the MM themselves all had bad habits from alcohol to drug usage that kept them from thinking straight 24/7.
I can tell you it is not impossible to turn someones life around-but it takes a huge continued group effort and a
"We wont take no for an answer attitude"
Elvis did not want his fans to know of his problems-he wan't to keep the lid on.........thats evident by his trying to stop the book EWH perhaps if everyone had stood up and said-"You let us get you help....or we all go to the press and everyone will know" might have saved his life.
There are no guarantees in things like this-but I know one thing for sure....no effort such as I describe was ever tried.
Its true Elvis had to see his problem-but very few people in downward spirals just suddenly sit up one morning and all on their own decide
"Wow I am in trouble"
Someone or something has to spur that moment to reality....no one ever did.
No man is an island is not just my motto-its the truth.

Thank you for a most fantastic post.(y)(y)(y) Once again you explained it all with common sense. Everyone is affected by those around them whether they choose to believe it or not. I do not know anyone who is in TOTAL control of their lives and those who believe they are are self delusional.

[Donut]

I wouldn't blame anyone in this story. If addiction was so easy to overcome as firing or confronting someone there wouldn't be rehab centers, so many families affected and many many people dead because of it. It's a very hard problem for the addict, an extremely difficult situation for those around that person and not many people know how to handle it.
Do you think Elvis' own father didn't care for him? Or Ed Parker, or Red, who had known him almost all his life, for instance? Larry Geller and Ed Parker tried unsuccessfully to make Elvis eat healthier and take less medication but this is the way addiction works, it completely controls you and it takes a huge willpower to get out of it. The other guys I wouldn't blame either, since they were taking pills like Elvis. How could they be of help if they were living the same way as him? To be fair, did Elvis try help them get out of drugs? From the outside it's very easy to say what Elvis and those around him should or shouldn't have done. In an ideal world he shouldn't have never started taking pills to start with and the whole world (not only his frineds) shouldn't have made Elvis believe he was larger than life. But what is done is done!

[debtdbruno]

I think he needed to mix/socialise with other celebrities more, they are the ones who could have given him advice...new manager, different songwriters, inspiration....you know ideas generally, as they were in the limelight too...

[Diane]

I think he needed to mix/socialise with other celebrities more, they are the ones who could have given him advice...new manager, different songwriters, inspiration....you know ideas generally, as they were in the limelight too...

Yes you're right but the Colonel put the kibosh on that right from the start. You could say he was the Colonel's bird in a gilded cage. We don't know what the Colonel was telling him to keep him on the leash but sadly it worked and the mm were so jealous of anyone else who got near him. Sorry for so many quips but that man really was caught in a trap. The drug problem started in the army and when he lost his mom he realized it helped to dull the pain.....and it went on from there.

[King Of The Whole World]

I wouldn't blame anyone in this story. If addiction was so easy to overcome as firing or confronting someone there wouldn't be rehab centers, so many families affected and many many people dead because of it. It's a very hard problem for the addict, an extremely difficult situation for those around that person and not many people know how to handle it.
Do you think Elvis' own father didn't care for him? Or Ed Parker, or Red, who had known him almost all his life, for instance? Larry Geller and Ed Parker tried unsuccessfully to make Elvis eat healthier and take less medication but this is the way addiction works, it completely controls you and it takes a huge willpower to get out of it. The other guys I wouldn't blame either, since they were taking pills like Elvis. How could they be of help if they were living the same way as him? To be fair, did Elvis try help them get out of drugs? From the outside it's very easy to say what Elvis and those around him should or shouldn't have done. In an ideal world he shouldn't have never started taking pills to start with and the whole world (not only his frineds) shouldn't have made Elvis believe he was larger than life. But what is done is done!

I agree with you.

[rocknroll]

I agree with some of that. But the Colonel had Elvis locked down like a prisoner. He manipulated Elvis and bullied him and his entourage. Elvis lost confidence in himself because of Parker and it led him to depression and like Elvisa said, stress. That all led to the drug abuse. The stress is what killed him and wore on his heart physically. Not the drugs. He also had bad eating habits that contributed to his health problems.

Elvis should have fired some of the Mafia around 1969. When he moved on from Scotty Moore and DJ Fontana and The Jordanaires as his band, he should have moved on from the Mafia as well. But Elvis became too dependent on them that he couldn't part ways with them. That was his biggest problem.

At some point Elvis should have jaw jacked Parker. I would have.

Anyone saying Elvis had no culpability in his decline has a serious fixation with the myth and lack of perspective on his personal responsibilites.

[King Of The Whole World]

I think he needed to mix/socialise with other celebrities more, they are the ones who could have given him advice...new manager, different songwriters, inspiration....you know ideas generally, as they were in the limelight too...

He was to shy to hang out with other celebrities. It is so funny to say that considering here is a guy who is the biggest and brightest star of them all and he was shy to meet them. But this quality is also what made Elvis so humble, he didn’t see himself as this god like person.

[KPM]

He was to shy to hang out with other celebrities. It is so funny to say that considering here is a guy who is the biggest and brightest star of them all and he was shy to meet them. But this quality is also what made Elvis so humble, he didn’t see himself as this god like person.
That at times seems to not be the case, right here we have had story after story by celebrities, politicians, and people of great note-who went up to the suite at the Hilton and had very fun exciting times.
Just recently one about Donald Rumsfeld, former Secretary of Defense and assorted other high level political jobs, going to see Elvis with Sammy Davis Jr and then going backstage and having an indepth discussion about the US Army with Elvis.
Elvis in the 50s was shy, but I really think from all the stories that he had gotten to like meeting people from time to time.
Elvis may have felt a little insecure at such meetings, but he always seemed to enjoy them- I recall a letter Parker sent to Elvis in the early 70s in essence telling him to beware of those who want to come up and give you advice and want to put their arms around his big shoulders and flatter him-because they might not have his best interests in mind........but Parker was on the job working tirelessly for Elvis and his interest;)
Elvis's insecurity was capitalized by Parker to his own interests..BEWARE THE STRANGERS

[KPM]

At some point Elvis should have jaw jacked Parker. I would have.

Anyone saying Elvis had no culpability in his decline has a serious fixation with the myth and lack of perspective on his personal responsibilites.
I totally agree in 62 or 63 he should have told Parker this is what I want and then given him a laundry lists of career goals, future tour plans, recording goals and if Parker did not want to listen Elvis should have told him Okay I'll get new management.
Where you and I disagree is I can see how Elvis was used and kept in place for years...without even recognising it....and by the time Elvis was smartening up-it was too late. People can be snowed, people can accept someone crooked at face value and just be taken-Elvis just could not see Parker for what he was...he trusted him.
By trusting Parker so blindly for most his career-Elvis became stagnant and bored-but was afraid to push Parker out...IMO afraid that perhaps he would fail without Colonel...that he needed him to set up the deals.

I do not under estimate the Stealth like approach that Parker was the master of.......as I have pointed out a time or 2 Tommy Sands was managed for a short time by Parker in the 50s-and he used the same MO on Sands-he wanted to decide all aspects of Sands career and also many do's and don'ts about his private life and people around him........luckily Tommys mother very quickly jumped in and fired Parker because she could see that Parker was just too controling (she was much more astute than Vernon who was sold on Parker...Gladys was not sold on Parker but did not have the courage of Sands Mom)
Sands went on to have a fair acting career goingthat was pretty much stopped at a standstill by Sinatra when Sands divorced Franks daughter Nancy.

[King Of The Whole World]

That at times seems to not be the case, right here we have had story after story by celebrities, politicians, and people of great note-who went up to the suite at the Hilton and had very fun exciting times.
Just recently one about Donald Rumsfeld, former Secretary of Defense and assorted other high level political jobs, going to see Elvis with Sammy Davis Jr and then going backstage and having an indepth discussion about the US Army with Elvis.
Elvis in the 50s was shy, but I really think from all the stories that he had gotten to like meeting people from time to time.
Elvis may have felt a little insecure at such meetings, but he always seemed to enjoy them- I recall a letter Parker sent to Elvis in the early 70s in essence telling him to beware of those who want to come up and give you advice and want to put their arms around his big shoulders and flatter him-because they might not have his best interests in mind........but Parker was on the job working tirelessly for Elvis and his interest;)
Elvis's insecurity was capitalized by Parker to his own interests..BEWARE THE STRANGERS

Well some of what you say I agree with but a lot of the celebrities that talk about him today almost always say he was really shy. I think they could sense his shyness. They usually say he was shy and a lot smarter than what they expected him to be.

Most of the time that he did meet with celebrities is what you said after his shows, the VIP’s. Very rarely did he make an effort to invite or meet someone because he wanted to, it was always one of the guys saying hey meet so and so or after his shows to mingle with the people who came to one of his Vegas shows.

[Donut]

He was to shy to hang out with other celebrities. It is so funny to say that considering here is a guy who is the biggest and brightest star of them all and he was shy to meet them. But this quality is also what made Elvis so humble, he didn’t see himself as this god like person.

Seems like he didn't like celebreties much anyway. His lifestyle and theirs was very different overall so he could meet them and chat a little with them but he rarely let them get in his private world.
I was very surprised to learn what Elvis used to eat or what he used to do have fun, like simply watching movies, riding golf carts or having roman candle fights at home, which is really cool IMO. Here you have this star seemingly so sophisticated and adored by the most popular celebrities while he was a modest guy with the most simple tastes. So maybe he also felt insecure with celebrities because he knew they expected him to be someone he really wasn't. I can't imagine what it must be like to constantly be observed by those people, watching my every move and pretending I am someone different and perfect all the time.

[rocknroll]

I totally agree in 62 or 63 he should have told Parker this is what I want and then given him a laundry lists of career goals, future tour plans, recording goals and if Parker did not want to listen Elvis should have told him Okay I'll get new management.
Where you and I disagree is I can see how Elvis was used and kept in place for years...without even recognising it....and by the time Elvis was smartening up-it was too late. People can be snowed, people can accept someone crooked at face value and just be taken-Elvis just could not see Parker for what he was...he trusted him.
By trusting Parker so blindly for most his career-Elvis became stagnant and bored-but was afraid to push Parker out...IMO afraid that perhaps he would fail without Colonel...that he needed him to set up the deals.

I do not under estimate the Stealth like approach that Parker was the master of.......as I have pointed out a time or 2 Tommy Sands was managed for a short time by Parker in the 50s-and he used the same MO on Sands-he wanted to decide all aspects of Sands career and also many do's and don'ts about his private life and people around him........luckily Tommys mother very quickly jumped in and fired Parker because she could see that Parker was just too controling (she was much more astute than Vernon who was sold on Parker...Gladys was not sold on Parker but did not have the courage of Sands Mom)
Sands went on to have a fair acting career goingthat was pretty much stopped at a standstill by Sinatra when Sands divorced Franks daughter Nancy.

It doesn't take intelligence to be greedy. Parker was one and not the other. Most saw through his game and Elvis should have also. Elvis' problem was he was complacent when he shouldn't have been. That's on him.

[KPM]

It doesn't take intelligence to be greedy. Parker was one and not the other. Most saw through his game and Elvis should have also. Elvis' problem was he was complacent when he shouldn't have been. That's on him.
Parker was "greedily intelligent" my friend when it came to making money for himself .......he was as complex as Elvis in his own way.....you call it complacency..... and I call it blind trust.
People do have to trust someone along the way-very few people can handle every single situation in life with the expertise that situation demands-thats why entertainers/people have tax accountants, managers, doctors, dentists, electricians, plumbers, etc......as I said Elvis was beginning to see Parker without the blinders in the 70s-but the damage was done and it was too late.

Parker knew his marks, and he could figure out how to work them to his best advantage-and he worked Elvis perfectly....just enough Stealth planting of doubt, just enough Stealth planting of beware of strangers, just enough praise and money to let Elvis see-YOU NEED THE COL.

Elvis is not unique in trusting someone only to see later that the trust was misplaced...life in show biz and in general is littered with people who were ruined by trusting someone to much.

[King Of The Whole World]

Seems like he didn't like celebreties much anyway. His lifestyle and theirs was very different overall so he could meet them and chat a little with them but he rarely let them get in his private world.
I was very surprised to learn what Elvis used to eat or what he used to do have fun, like simply watching movies, riding golf carts or having roman candle fights at home, which is really cool IMO. Here you have this star seemingly so sophisticated and adored by the most popular celebrities while he was a modest guy with the most simple tastes. So maybe he also felt insecure with celebrities because he knew they expected him to be someone he really wasn't. I can't imagine what it must be like to constantly be observed by those people, watching my every move and pretending I am someone different and perfect all the time.

I agree. You can count on one hand who Elvis invited over to Graceland. That was his world to get away from being "Elvis".

He did like simple things in life. That is one of the things that I find so neat about Elvis, the movies he would watch, the food he would eat and the people who were in his inner circle.

People will say he shouldn’t have had the guys around him but who would he hang out with. As we said he didn’t like the celebrity lifestyle so it wouldn’t be other celebrities. So who would it be? It is the guys he grew up with and the southern food of home is what kept Elvis from getting a big head.

[Donut]

I agree. You can count on one hand who Elvis invited over to Graceland. That was his world to get away from being "Elvis".

He did like simple things in life. That is one of the things that I find so neat about Elvis, the movies he would watch, the food he would eat and the people who were in his inner circle.

People will say he shouldn’t have had the guys around him but who would he hang out with. As we said he didn’t like the celebrity lifestyle so it wouldn’t be other celebrities. So who would it be? It is the guys he grew up with and the southern food of home is what kept Elvis from getting a big head.

Exactly. I completely agree with you. I like some members of the MM more than others but I can understand why Elvis wanted them all around. He could be himself around those guys and live almost a normal life.

[KPM]

The question is- was there a way for Elvis to get over the shyness, to open up more, and embrace other types of people....so that he would GROW.
In the situation that we continually describe-NO there was not-there was no one who wanted him to meet new people and make new friends because any growth Elvis might experience...any new friends or interests......were a threat to EVERYONE involved IMO
Colonel wanted Elvis dependent on him, and skeptical of the new people he met.
The guys were employees (and friends) but they to had much to lose if Elvis suddenly had a drastic change in lifestyle and purpose.
Most of the guys, and definitely the Col, hated the religious exploration that Elvis was so fervently involved in...they did not understand why this was important to him and the Colonel did not want Elvis to start questioning anything that might cost Colonel a payday.
All I can say is everyone here agrees Elvis needed challenges and growth-and that was impossible in the guidelines that the Colonel had created to limit any outsider gaining a hand in Elvis's life. That is so obvious to me that it goes without saying.
Elvis should have seen thru this Stealth SNOWMAN-but if its a Stealth attack...its invisible...only Superman could see a Stealth attack-and Elvis was no Superman (no matter how great we know he was)
Elvis bought the conditions-but lets be honest- you can see when he broke from those guidelings (with the help of others) he was happier, healthier and felt the creative juices flow (which helped him in his private life)
It is sad, it is a crime to work against someones best interests in the guise of guiding them properly...
Sam Phillips could have said "
Elvis stays with me in Memphis, and if we can not promote him as well as RCA-thats tough because I am going to make every dime I can off him because thats the best thing for ME" ...he did not.
The Colonel could have also said
"Elvis don't fear meeting others in the business it can be good for you. Don't worry about where you find your good songs just find them. If you want to act seriously I will try to line up one non musical every year-that may not pay you as well, but it will be good for youand your goal to ACT."
Did Parker ever even once suggest these things...no...he wanted the most money and the quickest return on every project...regardless of the effects upon Elvis.
Why did Elvis love to jam, love to just sit and sing-because it was a time of freedom and no worry about the dos and don'ts.

[debtdbruno]

that was my thoughts about socialising with other celebrities....obviously there would be some who had an agenda, but for the most part he would have been associating with people who didn't want anything from him....a bit more of an equal footing type of situation.

[Brian]

it's myth that Elvis didn't have friends in showbusiness.

the friends that he did have in showbiz he never asked for adivce.

Hell members of his own entourage were actually working in showbiz and they learned quite a bit about it.

Still it didn't amount to anything as far as Elvis learning more about the business or getting rid of Parker.

[Brian]

that was my thoughts about socialising with other celebrities....obviously there would be some who had an agenda, but for the most part he would have been associating with people who didn't want anything from him....a bit more of an equal footing type of situation.

I'm not so sure about that.

A lot of celebrites that Elvis was acquantancies with seemed to try to get things things out of their association with him no matter how little.

I don't think not having more friends was Elvis' problem.

[debtdbruno]

I wasn't thinking of him gaining friends.....just more knowledge of the 'outside world'

He needed a more rounded and varied circle of people around him to encourage his creative juices to flow, advice and information......and get rid of Tom Parker:mad:

[Diane]

I wasn't thinking of him gaining friends.....just more knowledge of the 'outside world'

He needed a more rounded and varied circle of people around him to encourage his creative juices to flow, advice and information......and get rid of Tom Parker:mad:

(y)(y)(y)Exactly!

[asian1]

Whether Elvis had any friends in show business is debatable. Hollywood is not know for its' sincerity. I think the answer to ELvis' problems could have been alleviated or at least him learning learn how to cope with them, had there been a more profound immersion in the Bible which he was fond of reading. I believe a deeper understanding of his faith may have addressed his concerns and opened up his life in a more meaningful way.

[buttonhead]

Interesting postings every one... makes me realize only ELVIS could bring the best and worse of ourselves when it comes to defend his legacy and name ... I think that not many people who passed away and still have Birthday Celebration as Elvis has been this past 35 years, after all said and done I am sure he is proud of this, mostly humbled of how much people still think the world of him.

[KPM]

If you stay in the woods and the only trees you see-are oak.... thats all you know.
If you explore others forests and learn something about the other types of trees and how they can help you build a better house, furniture.. it helps you expand your own knowledge from one sided on the subject to multi sided.
Thats all I am saying-Elvis for too long was boxed...kept....and packaged......I truely believe no one who had a financial stake in that product-wanted any outsiders becoming a real friend of Elvis.
Now Elvis also felt comfortable in the box-safe, sure, and secure-but thats the way everyone wanted it.

[Snake Eyes]

Ken, have you ever heard of the term "handlers" and the methods used by them to control and dictate their "stars" lives?

There are a few sites I visit that discuss this and before anyone jumps the gun, I'm not suggesting Elvis was or is a victim of mind control, but it is an interesting element to consider in the grand scheme of things.

[debtdbruno]

they say Tom Parker could hypnotise people...........lol

[Snake Eyes]

they say Tom Parker could hypnotise people...........lol

What a coincidence, so can I :D

You are getting very sleepy, when I snap my fingers you will remember nothing.............*snap*

[King Of The Whole World]

What a coincidence, so can I :D

You are getting very sleepy, when I snap my fingers you will remember nothing.............*snap*

Where am I?

[Snake Eyes]

Where am I?

Don't you worry, you're in safe hands....................................... mwahahahahahahahahahahaha

[KPM]

Ken, have you ever heard of the term "handlers" and the methods used by them to control and dictate their "stars" lives?

There are a few sites I visit that discuss this and before anyone jumps the gun, I'm not suggesting Elvis was or is a victim of mind control, but it is an interesting element to consider in the grand scheme of things.
I have long contended that Parker was an expert at manipulation and was a control freak when it came to his clients.
Eddy Arnold fired him in the late 40s early fifies, Hank Snow and Parker were partners according to Snow-but Parker cheated Snow (according to Snow) so Snow hated him, Parker tried to box in Tommy Sands (who Parker thought could be a big star) but his mother saw thru the SNOWMANS methods and fired him because Sands was underage......Parker was a huge mind manipulator.

[Snake Eyes]

I have long contended that Parker was an expert at manipulation and was a control freak when it came to his clients.
Eddy Arnold fired him in the late 40s early fifies, Hank Snow and Parker were partners according to Snow-but Parker cheated Snow (according to Snow) so Snow hated him, Parker tried to box in Tommy Sands (who Parker thought could be a big star) but his mother saw thru the SNOWMANS methods and fired him because Sands was underage......Parker was a huge mind manipulator.

PM'ing you instead.

[King Of The Whole World]

Don't you worry, you're in safe hands....................................... mwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Just look at this light....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSEibHKOgo

[KPM]

Just look at this light....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymSEibHKOgo
What light???
Where am I...who am I.......swamp gasssss??????

[mistymorning]

To me this is completely disrespectful of Elvis and his memory. I won't bring myself down to her level by saying what I think of her.
I can't figure people like this. If they don't like him or not interested in him then why write rubbish like this? Must have been a slow day !!

I agree with Clidd , this is really disrepectful ......................