Carnegie Hall Presents Lisa Marie Presley on November 17

[Elvis.com]

After the release of her latest album "Storm and Grace," Lisa Marie Presley has received rave reviews from music critics and has reclaimed her musical roots. Fans now have a chance to see the king's only daughter perform in one of the most prestigious music venues in the world. Presley will be a...

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[KPM]

Good luck to her on this show.......Carnegie Hall-pretty upscale.

[LaurieT]

Good luck to her on this show.......Carnegie Hall-pretty upscale.

While I do think this is her best work,,,but Carnegie Hall,,,does anyone thing if she was not Lisa Presley this would happen??

[Brian]

While I do think this is her best work,,,but Carnegie Hall,,,does anyone thing if she was not Lisa Presley this would happen??

oh no way.

But that's the way it's always been.

Lisa wouldn't have be invited to the Grand ole opry either and the media wouldn't be reporting on anything she does if not for Elvis.

Still a lot of people working in showbiz are in it just because their parents were in it.

You could argue that Lisa Marie isn't as talented as some of the others but that's the way it is.

[Tommy]

Carnegie Hall Presents Lisa Marie Presley on November 17

September 17, 2012 http://www.elvis.com/news/images/Image/LMP_290.jpg





After the release of her latest album "Storm and Grace," Lisa Marie Presley has received rave reviews from music critics and has reclaimed her musical roots. Fans now have a chance to see the king's only daughter perform in one of the most prestigious music venues in the world.

Presley will be appearing at Carnegie Hall as part of the Late Nights at Zankel Hall Series (http://www.carnegiehall.org/Calendar/2012/11/17/1000/PM/Lisa-Marie-Presley/) on November 17, 2012. Showtime begins at 10:00 p.m. and music lovers can enjoy an Americana-inspired showcase displaying Lisa Marie's song-writing talents infused with raw, powerful country, folk and blues.

This makes no sense to me.

[Snake Eyes]

oh no way.

But that's the way it's always been.

Lisa wouldn't have be invited to the Grand ole opry either and the media wouldn't be reporting on anything she does if not for Elvis.

Still a lot of people working in showbiz are in it just because their parents were in it.

You could argue that Lisa Marie isn't as talented as some of the others but that's the way it is.

Facebook Thumbs Up for that :D

[KPM]

oh no way.

But that's the way it's always been.

Lisa wouldn't have be invited to the Grand ole opry either and the media wouldn't be reporting on anything she does if not for Elvis.

Still a lot of people working in showbiz are in it just because their parents were in it.

You could argue that Lisa Marie isn't as talented as some of the others but that's the way it is.
In the beginnings of her first attempts at singing she made some demo tapes that were given to a few producers and DJs to get their reaction-and low and behold the majority liked them and wanted to know who this singer was....so the name did not help her then.
But lets look at the other side of being Elvis Presleys daughter......some fans of Elvis critique her without mercy, and the vast majority of others can never get the idea out of their heads that "Her dad is ELVIS-ELVIS the man with the most versatile voice for music who ever lived"
So for every door that has been opened or made easier-she has had a mountain of negative vibes to climb from the moment she started to sing....having nothing to do with her product...but her heritage.....
I find her voice as good as the bulk of the pop female singers IE Jewel, Alanis Morrisette, Spears etc......and she has a definite talent at songwriting that her father did not have.
My main problem with her is how she seems to have problems getting her mix correct in concerts and on her CDs.
Her voice seems secondary to everything else-when its up front I like the sound much better and can understand the lyric.

[presley31]

I do like some of lisa's music but her singing isn't the greatest..Sorry for saying that:(

[KPM]

Here is a portion of a review of her current album:

.....Storm & Grace is soulful on several levels-the style of the vocals, Burnett's musical arrangements, and the depth of the material. While every song deals with surviving pain of one kind or another, the tone is typically one of reconciliation, even if all the victories aren't easily won. For example, "Forgiving," co-written with Steve Booker, asks for the secrets of forgiveness as that's hard to do. But these very secrets are scattered throughout the songs in which Presley waves goodbye to the past, which is full of unworthy lovers and glaring flaws within herself.



So Storm & Grace isn't a disc to pep up your party, but it is one worth repeated listening. If it's surprising, that's probably due to comparisons with her two previous releases and the fact that the attempt here was far more artistic than commercial. Lisa Marie has her own blues to sing and she delivers them with style and grace. This is one Presley very much in the building.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Music-Review-Lisa-Marie-Presley-Storm-Grace-3505434.php#ixzz26q8OifyU

[KPM]

Heres and interesting excerpt from one of the songs on her new album in a review-that illustrates the frustration of comparisons to her fathers abilities as a singer....hard act to follow:
......“Too bad she ain’t just like her daddy/Oh what a shame/She got no talent of her own/It’s just her name.”
No, that’s not our review. That’s Presley anticipating (or reviving) some of the conventional/cynical wisdom about her musical career in “Sticks and Stones,” a bonus track on the deluxe version of her new album, “Storm & Grace.” She even refers to her own possibly hereditary pout: “She looks bad, she looks mad … Why’s she so angry and mean?”

[Brian]

In the beginnings of her first attempts at singing she made some demo tapes that were given to a few producers and DJs to get their reaction-and low and behold the majority liked them and wanted to know who this singer was....so the name did not help her then.


I remember reading a few interviews with Lisa and she said that she'd been offered recording contracts since she was 15 years old.

When Lisa finally got ready to record an album she recorded one.

Other talented singers aren't that lucky as they have to play years of low paying gigs before finally getting a record deal.

I wonder why Lisa was so fortunate?

[debtdbruno]

There's no doubt she's in a 'no win' situation. I would love to say that as Elvis' daughter I'm into her music.......I don't know if it's the dark, downbeat music she does?.....Maybe if she sang something lighter, bright and uplifting.....would like to see the comparison to decide if I get her more.

[Snake Eyes]

Heres and interesting excerpt from one of the songs on her new album in a review-that illustrates the frustration of comparisons to her fathers abilities as a singer....hard act to follow:
......“Too bad she ain’t just like her daddy/Oh what a shame/She got no talent of her own/It’s just her name.”
No, that’s not our review. That’s Presley anticipating (or reviving) some of the conventional/cynical wisdom about her musical career in “Sticks and Stones,” a bonus track on the deluxe version of her new album, “Storm & Grace.” She even refers to her own possibly hereditary pout: “She looks bad, she looks mad … Why’s she so angry and mean?”

While she's not my cup of tea, there are plenty of artists out there and I use the term loosely who are terrible in comparison to LMP and have succeeded, it's a funny old world but if making music makes her happy, then she should carry on regardless of what people think.

[Snake Eyes]

There's no doubt she's in a 'no win' situation. I would love to say that as Elvis' daughter I'm into her music.......I don't know if it's the dark, downbeat music she does?.....Maybe if she sang something lighter, bright and uplifting.....would like to see the comparison to decide if I get her more.

Maybe she should sing Poker Face :D

[Diane]

I just say good luck to her. No matter what she does people will rip her apart in one way or another. It's true, she can't win in the public eye.

[Brian]

I just say good luck to her. No matter what she does people will rip her apart in one way or another. It's true, she can't win in the public eye.

The good far outweighs the negatives.

[KPM]

While she's not my cup of tea, there are plenty of artists out there and I use the term loosely who are terrible in comparison to LMP and have succeeded, it's a funny old world but if making music makes her happy, then she should carry on regardless of what people think.

I agree and obviously she will because so many seem to pan her. Luckily her reviews for this album are fairly good.
I am most impressed with her songwriting which she should take some solace in the fact that Elvis just did not write....or the comparisons might be even harder on her.

[Donut]

The good far outweighs the negatives.

Exactly. And since she constantly reminds the public that she does her own thing I can't understand why she cares so much about what Elvis' fans think about her or her music. It's a little contradictory that she promoted her last CD from Graceland and Sun Studio when she always complains about not being seen as an artist by her own merits, don't you think?

It would be interesting to know how many of her fans are also Elvis' fans because most probably the majority of her record sales come from her father's fans. So yes, the good surely outweighs the negatives ;)

[KPM]

Exactly. And since she constantly reminds the public that she does her own thing I can't understand why she cares so much about what Elvis' fans think about her or her music. It's a little contradictory that she promoted her last CD from Graceland and Sun Studio when she always complains about not being seen as an artist by her own merits, don't you think?

It would be interesting to know how many of her fans are also Elvis' fans because most probably the majority of her record sales come from her father's fans. So yes, the good surely outweighs the negatives ;)
I would think its an inner conflict type thing, she does not want to be compared to her father (she realizes the greatness that only he possesed so she know she can not compete) but she also realizes that the musical roots she has...started with her Dad so she is drawn to things that he was associated with....like fans are drawn to Graceland.
When you are in the shadow of a great oak tree and you are just a small young tree its good to be cool in the shade-but without the sun that gets blocked that young tree just has a hard time growing to full beauty and productivity.
I would say that the idea of being Elvis Presleys child-and then trying to enter into the music field is about like the great oak and the small tree.....its very hard because you are going to get it from all sides.....over everymove you make.
Sad we (and she) can not separate the connection in our minds.

[presley31]

I just say good luck to her. No matter what she does people will rip her apart in one way or another. It's true, she can't win in the public eye.

I soo agree there Diane.

[Snake Eyes]

I would think its an inner conflict type thing, she does not want to be compared to her father (she realizes the greatness that only he possesed so she know she can not compete) but she also realizes that the musical roots she has...started with her Dad so she is drawn to things that he was associated with....like fans are drawn to Graceland.
When you are in the shadow of a great oak tree and you are just a small young tree its good to be cool in the shade-but without the sun that gets blocked that young tree just has a hard time growing to full beauty and productivity.
I would say that the idea of being Elvis Presleys child-and then trying to enter into the music field is about like the great oak and the small tree.....its very hard because you are going to get it from all sides.....over everymove you make.
Sad we (and she) can not separate the connection in our minds.

Makes you wonder had she been born male, would she still be open to ridicule? Comparisons definately, but I think she would've been given a bit more respect if she'd been born male.

[Brian]

Makes you wonder had she been born male, would she still be open to ridicule? Comparisons definately, but I think she would've been given a bit more respect if she'd been born male.

It would have been the same.

[KPM]

Makes you wonder had she been born male, would she still be open to ridicule? Comparisons definately, but I think she would've been given a bit more respect if she'd been born male.
My honest opinion is that if she had been the son of Elvis-she probably would get more respect-sad but true.
I have never liked prejudice in any form but it still lies hidden (and not so hidden) in our world.
I also see things a little different from most I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations"
no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals.....and that is totally unfair, totally not acceptable to me. (not just for here but in any area of life)
Take for example Lisa and her "In the Ghetto" duet with Elvis.......she had shied away from doing this or any of his songs and many fans criticized her for "not wanting to do something with her father or by her father"...yet many of the same fans then turned and criticized her for doing the duet and they made claims it was to boost her tour, career, new music etc........how can she ever be treated objectively with reasoning such as that?

Some claim I protect Lisa, EPE, Priscilla etc in my posts-not true...........I show the other side with I hope some objectivity.
But nothing and no one is perfect and that includes the above.....but they are also not out and out villains in every situation.

[josephinebeau]

In the beginnings of her first attempts at singing she made some demo tapes that were given to a few producers and DJs to get their reaction-and low and behold the majority liked them and wanted to know who this singer was....so the name did not help her then.
But lets look at the other side of being Elvis Presleys daughter......some fans of Elvis critique her without mercy, and the vast majority of others can never get the idea out of their heads that "Her dad is ELVIS-ELVIS the man with the most versatile voice for music who ever lived"
So for every door that has been opened or made easier-she has had a mountain of negative vibes to climb from the moment she started to sing....having nothing to do with her product...but her heritage.....

I find her voice as good as the bulk of the pop female singers IE Jewel, Alanis Morrisette, Spears etc......and she has a definite talent at songwriting that her father did not have.
My main problem with her is how she seems to have problems getting her mix correct in concerts and on her CDs
Her voice seems secondary to everything else-when its up front I like the sound much better and can understand the lyric.

True story, I bought the first two albums listened and mostly put them away even though I was impressed with the songwriting. This album I actually love and I consider myself to have great taste in music. Yeah true she does not have the voice of Adele but her lyrics are interesting, the music is funky and cool, and I feel like she is trying to work though things in a life I do not envy. Everyone needs to be fair to her and really try to understand what it would be like to grow up as Elvis' kid. No one has ever been what Elvis was and is. He made mistakes because he was human besides it not exactly like anyone gave him a guide book in 1954 entitled, "How to be the most famous and successful entertainer of all time" he really had to just figure it out as he went along, so has Priscilla, and so has Lisa.

[Donut]

My honest opinion is that if she had been the son of Elvis-she probably would get more respect-sad but true.
I have never liked prejudice in any form but it still lies hidden (and not so hidden) in our world.
I also see things a little different from most I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations"
no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals.....and that is totally unfair, totally not acceptable to me. (not just for here but in any area of life)

I can't agree with that, KPM. Just read this thread or any other about Lisa, Priscilla or the MM. There are always as many people who defend them as people who don't like them. So, no. I don't believe they are in a no win situation. It's just that having been close to Elvis in any way doesn't automatically make them talented, good people or especial. And being a fan of Elvis doesn't mean that you have to be a fan of those people aswell as it seems they expect.
As for Lisa, it's only normal that many or some fans of her father doesn't like her. What she does has nothing to do with what Elvis did, so her style and also her voice it's not something they enjoy.

[KPM]

I can't agree with that, KPM. Just read this thread or any other about Lisa, Priscilla or the MM. There are always as many people who defend them as people who don't like them. So, no. I don't believe they are in a no win situation. It's just that having been close to Elvis in any way doesn't automatically make them talented, good people or especial. And being a fan of Elvis doesn't mean that you have to be a fan of those people aswell as it seems they expect.
As for Lisa, it's only normal that many or some fans of her father doesn't like her. What she does has nothing to do with what Elvis did, so her style and also her voice it's not something they enjoy.
With due respect-If you reread my post you will see I say.....
"I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals".....
Of course not all people have "bias" attached to their opinion but IMO a large portion of people do when it comes to these individuals.....who decided long ago their opinions on these people based upon huge emotional love and respect for Elvis IE he is the good guy and that automatically makes anyone who has seemingly wronged Elvis or his memory-the bad guys.......to certain individuals.....no amount of logic, reasoning nor common sense approach will ever change their opinion....so for that group of certain individuals-it is indeed a no win scenario.

[Donut]

With due respect-If you reread my post you will see I say.....
"I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals".....
Of course not all people have "bias" attached to their opinion but IMO a large portion of people do when it comes to these individuals.....who decided long ago their opinions on these people based upon huge emotional love and respect for Elvis IE he is the good guy and that automatically makes anyone who has seemingly wronged Elvis or his memory-the bad guys.......to certain individuals.....no amount of logic, reasoning nor common sense approach will ever change their opinion....so for that group of certain individuals-it is indeed a no win scenario.

Well, I see where you come from and you know I always respect your opinion, but my answer to this is the same I posted above. Elvis' fans are not obliged to like those people, no matter what they do or what their intention is.
In my case, the only "loyalty" I feel is towards Elvis and the rest of them are not important to me. At least not so important as any other individual trying to make a living in the public eye. If what they do I think is good to Elvis' image I defend them. If not, they can get lost for all I care.
The key in all this is I don't care what degree of closeness they had with Elvis and I'm glad not everyone in this world sees others for who they are related to. Lisa is not a good musician in my opinion and Priscilla and a few members of the MM are only opportunistics. If what they do is so good or they are so talented they sure must have their own fans. They shouldn't need us to approve what they do.
Sorry if this sounds too blunt, but after all these years discussing this matters I don't know how else can I word it ;)

[debtdbruno]

lol.........way to go Donut:wiggle::wiggle::wiggle::wiggle:

I'm only 'really' interested in Lisa as she is his Daughter.......but I still don't care for her voice:blink::blink:

[KPM]

Well, I see where you come from and you know I always respect your opinion, but my answer to this is the same I posted above. Elvis' fans are not obliged to like those people, no matter what they do or what their intention is.
In my case, the only "loyalty" I feel is towards Elvis and the rest of them are not important to me. At least not so important as any other individual trying to make a living in the public eye. If what they do I think is good to Elvis' image I defend them. If not, they can get lost for all I care.
The key in all this is I don't care what degree of closeness they had with Elvis and I'm glad not everyone in this world sees others for who they are related to. Lisa is not a good musician in my opinion and Priscilla and a few members of the MM are only opportunistics. If what they do is so good or they are so talented they sure must have their own fans. They shouldn't need us to approve what they do.
Sorry if this sounds too blunt, but after all these years discussing this matters I don't know how else can I word it ;)
No I like blunt-blunt cuts thru the bull:D I also have always liked reading your opinions and have respect for what you say....
I just do not agree-especially about Lisa and her musicianship-her writing "cuts" thru the bull its blunt and creative.
I am not a famous musician but I did have a band, and I do write songs as a hobby....have about 200 now. (maybe 40-50 are commercial and good enough IMO to be recorded by someone) but I see her writing as super good.
Her voice is as good as many others who I have mentioned before so she is not untalented....and the fact that she was accepted by DJs and Producers long ago with no name demos-shows she must have had something. Now will she ever reach the heights of Beyonce or Madonna-NO but she has a talent and I want to see her develope and grow....as her father would want also.
Fan approval.......I am not talking about approval from fans, and once again I am not talking about all fans- I am talking about absolute made up minds before the fact fans who could hear the greatest music ever sung come out of her mouth...and it would fall short of what they want and expect from ELVIS PRESLEYS OFFSPRING.....Some disliked her because of her bluntness and fiery personality when she was younger....why....because they did not like spunk or individuality-no....because that was not the way they expected ELVIS PRESLEYS DAUGHTER to act or talk(if shehad been a son-that would have been seen very differently) that was not fair.
My loyalty and love is for Elvis also, but if Red West makes a good movie and his performance is good...I do not filter that performance thru the idea that he helped write "Elvis What Happened" but many people do...they can not forget that...so they automatically pan his performance and dismiss him.
When Sonny wrote his latest book which was much softer in tone and stressed Elvis's good side much much more-many panned his book before it came out....because he helped write EWH. I think that was unfair.
All these people are human beings and all fall way short of perfect-but so did Elvis........Elvis by all counts was quick to anger-but just as quick to forgive (in his own way)
For a certain group of fans there can be no forgiveness and they will always filter their opinions of this group we are talking about thru the anger they have for past wrongs (or perceived wrongs) toward Elvis. No win. IMO

[KPM]

lol.........way to go Donut:wiggle::wiggle::wiggle::wiggle:

I'm only 'really' interested in Lisa as she is his Daughter.......but I still don't care for her voice:blink::blink:
Thats fine, she is not everyones cup of tea....but believe it or not Elvis is not everyones cup of tea either. (which has always been hard for me to accept)
My daughter has a friend in high school who use to come to our house and I was watching TTWII SE this girl liked the Righteous Brothers song "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" so when they wandered thru the living room on the way to the kitchen I stopped them and told this girl to watch as a master sang that song better than the Righteous Brothers and she watched it "unimpressed" I at the end I asked her if that was not better than the original and she replied NO, I have never liked his voice that much!
I was shocked and amazed....how could she not see the talent of Elvis in that performance?
I guess no one pleases everyone...but it amazed me she was so adament about it.:blush:

[King Of The Whole World]

No I like blunt-blunt cuts thru the bull:D I also have always liked reading your opinions and have respect for what you say....
I just do not agree-especially about Lisa and her musicianship-her writing "cuts" thru the bull its blunt and creative.
I am not a famous musician but I did have a band, and I do write songs as a hobby....have about 200 now. (maybe 40-50 are commercial and good enough IMO to be recorded by someone) but I see her writing as super good.
Her voice is as good as many others who I have mentioned before so she is not untalented....and the fact that she was accepted by DJs and Producers long ago with no name demos-shows she must have had something. Now will she ever reach the heights of Beyonce or Madonna-NO but she has a talent and I want to see her develope and grow....as her father would want also.
Fan approval.......I am not talking about approval from fans, and once again I am not talking about all fans- I am talking about absolute made up minds before the fact fans who could hear the greatest music ever sung come out of her mouth...and it would fall short of what they want and expect from ELVIS PRESLEYS OFFSPRING.....Some disliked her because of her bluntness and fiery personality when she was younger....why....because they did not like spunk or individuality-no....because that was not the way they expected ELVIS PRESLEYS DAUGHTER to act or talk(if shehad been a son-that would have been seen very differently) that was not fair.
My loyalty and love is for Elvis also, but if Red West makes a good movie and his performance is good...I do not filter that performance thru the idea that he helped write "Elvis What Happened" but many people do...they can not forget that...so they automatically pan his performance and dismiss him.
When Sonny wrote his latest book which was much softer in tone and stressed Elvis's good side much much more-many panned his book before it came out....because he helped write EWH. I think that was unfair.
All these people are human beings and all fall way short of perfect-but so did Elvis........Elvis was by all counts was quick to anger-but just as quick to forgive (in his own way)
For a certain group of fans there can be no forgiveness and they will always filter their opinions of this group we are talking about thru the anger they have for past wrongs (or perceived wrongs) toward Elvis. No win. IMO

I couldn't agree more with those statements.

By the way, I saw Red's name in the cast of a movie called At Any Price with Dennis Quaid and Zack Effron. It looks like he will probably play a grandfather to Zack's character. In reading the story line, I would assume that Red has a lot of lines. The movies I have seen Red act in, he does a really good job.

[King Of The Whole World]

Thats fine, she is not everyones cup of tea....but believe it or not Elvis is not everyones cup of tea either. (which has always been hard for me to accept)
My daughter has a friend in high school who use to come to our house and I was watching TTWII SE this girl liked the Righteous Brothers song "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" so when they wandered thru the living room on the way to the kitchen I stopped them and told this girl to watch as a master sang that song better than the Righteous Brothers and she watched it "unimpressed" I at the end I asked her if that was not better than the original and she replied NO, I have never liked his voice that much!
I was shocked and amazed....how could she not see the talent of Elvis in that performance?
I guess no one pleases everyone...but it amazed me she was so adament about it.:blush:

She probably went home and watched it on Youtube (or ya'll tube, that's southern for youtube LOL) a hundred times.

[debtdbruno]

No I like blunt-blunt cuts thru the bull:D I also have always liked reading your opinions and have respect for what you say....
I just do not agree-especially about Lisa and her musicianship-her writing "cuts" thru the bull its blunt and creative.
I am not a famous musician but I did have a band, and I do write songs as a hobby....have about 200 now. (maybe 40-50 are commercial and good enough IMO to be recorded by someone) but I see her writing as super good.
Her voice is as good as many others who I have mentioned before so she is not untalented....and the fact that she was accepted by DJs and Producers long ago with no name demos-shows she must have had something. Now will she ever reach the heights of Beyonce or Madonna-NO but she has a talent and I want to see her develope and grow....as her father would want also.
Fan approval.......I am not talking about approval from fans, and once again I am not talking about all fans- I am talking about absolute made up minds before the fact fans who could hear the greatest music ever sung come out of her mouth...and it would fall short of what they want and expect from ELVIS PRESLEYS OFFSPRING.....Some disliked her because of her bluntness and fiery personality when she was younger....why....because they did not like spunk or individuality-no....because that was not the way they expected ELVIS PRESLEYS DAUGHTER to act or talk(if shehad been a son-that would have been seen very differently) that was not fair.
My loyalty and love is for Elvis also, but if Red West makes a good movie and his performance is good...I do not filter that performance thru the idea that he helped write "Elvis What Happened" but many people do...they can not forget that...so they automatically pan his performance and dismiss him.
When Sonny wrote his latest book which was much softer in tone and stressed Elvis's good side much much more-many panned his book before it came out....because he helped write EWH. I think that was unfair.
All these people are human beings and all fall way short of perfect-but so did Elvis........Elvis by all counts was quick to anger-but just as quick to forgive (in his own way)
For a certain group of fans there can be no forgiveness and they will always filter their opinions of this group we are talking about thru the anger they have for past wrongs (or perceived wrongs) toward Elvis. No win. IMO

great post Ken, you always show a voice of reason

[Donut]

No I like blunt-blunt cuts thru the bull:D I also have always liked reading your opinions and have respect for what you say....
I just do not agree-especially about Lisa and her musicianship-her writing "cuts" thru the bull its blunt and creative.
I am not a famous musician but I did have a band, and I do write songs as a hobby....have about 200 now. (maybe 40-50 are commercial and good enough IMO to be recorded by someone) but I see her writing as super good.
Her voice is as good as many others who I have mentioned before so she is not untalented....and the fact that she was accepted by DJs and Producers long ago with no name demos-shows she must have had something. Now will she ever reach the heights of Beyonce or Madonna-NO but she has a talent and I want to see her develope and grow....as her father would want also.
Fan approval.......I am not talking about approval from fans, and once again I am not talking about all fans- I am talking about absolute made up minds before the fact fans who could hear the greatest music ever sung come out of her mouth...and it would fall short of what they want and expect from ELVIS PRESLEYS OFFSPRING.....Some disliked her because of her bluntness and fiery personality when she was younger....why....because they did not like spunk or individuality-no....because that was not the way they expected ELVIS PRESLEYS DAUGHTER to act or talk(if shehad been a son-that would have been seen very differently) that was not fair.
My loyalty and love is for Elvis also, but if Red West makes a good movie and his performance is good...I do not filter that performance thru the idea that he helped write "Elvis What Happened" but many people do...they can not forget that...so they automatically pan his performance and dismiss him.
When Sonny wrote his latest book which was much softer in tone and stressed Elvis's good side much much more-many panned his book before it came out....because he helped write EWH. I think that was unfair.
All these people are human beings and all fall way short of perfect-but so did Elvis........Elvis by all counts was quick to anger-but just as quick to forgive (in his own way)
For a certain group of fans there can be no forgiveness and they will always filter their opinions of this group we are talking about thru the anger they have for past wrongs (or perceived wrongs) toward Elvis. No win. IMO

That's fine that you and others like her music and style. Contrary on what may seem I don't wish her bad. If her music sells I say good for her, and if it doesn' I don't care. I don't have any problem either way. The only thing that bothers me is when it seems that you are not allowed to voice your opinion if it isn't a positive one when it comes to Lisa or anyone that was close to Elvis. That's all.

And regarding what you say about Elvis' fans not liking her attitude, don't you think that she has her big share of responsability on that? It was Lisa who showed herself that way untill recently. When you have that kind of attitude you are going to get some criticism for sure, regardless of your gender and who you are related to. When you show negativity and contempt that's exactly what you get in return. And to top it all off it seems obvious to me that she did it on purpose just for the sake of shocking people, so it's ridiculous that she now complains for what she herself sought. There comes a point in life when you need to be responsible of your own actions.

[Snake Eyes]

That's fine that you and others like her music and style. Contrary on what may seem I don't wish her bad. If her music sells I say good for her, and if it doesn' I don't care. I don't have any problem either way. The only thing that bothers me is when it seems that you are not allowed to voice your opinion if it isn't a positive one when it comes to Lisa or anyone that was close to Elvis. That's all.

And regarding what you say about Elvis' fans not liking her attitude, don't you think that she has her big share of responsability on that? It was Lisa who showed herself that way untill recently. When you have that kind of attitude you are going to get some criticism for sure, regardless of your gender and who you are related to. When you show negativity and contempt that's exactly what you get in return. And to top it all off it seems obvious to me that she did it on purpose just for the sake of shocking people, so it's ridiculous that she now complains for what she herself sought. There comes a point in life when you need to be responsible of your own actions.

Of course, her behaviour at certain points in her life has been questionable to say the least but we all learn from our mistakes and are able to grow. For LMP or any child in the spot light, their mistakes are there in the public domain and seem to constantly bite them on the arse. I don't care too much for LMP, Priscilla or the MM either, they just don't factor too much in my extreme admiration for Elvis. I'm in it purely for the music and the good looking guy, everything else is secondary.

[Snake Eyes]

Thats fine, she is not everyones cup of tea....but believe it or not Elvis is not everyones cup of tea either. (which has always been hard for me to accept)
My daughter has a friend in high school who use to come to our house and I was watching TTWII SE this girl liked the Righteous Brothers song "You've Lost that Lovin Feeling" so when they wandered thru the living room on the way to the kitchen I stopped them and told this girl to watch as a master sang that song better than the Righteous Brothers and she watched it "unimpressed" I at the end I asked her if that was not better than the original and she replied NO, I have never liked his voice that much!
I was shocked and amazed....how could she not see the talent of Elvis in that performance?
I guess no one pleases everyone...but it amazed me she was so adament about it.:blush:

I personally think Elvis owns this song, I used to like the Righteous Brothers original version.............. that was until I saw Elvis performing it and fell in love with his vocal on it. Powerful song and one of my all time favourites. They are many covers Elvis has done that I think are better than the original, this is one of the reasons j'adore Elvis.

[Donut]

Of course, her behaviour at certain points in her life has been questionable to say the least but we all learn from our mistakes and are able to grow. For LMP or any child in the spot light, their mistakes are there in the public domain and seem to constantly bite them on the arse. I don't care too much for LMP, Priscilla or the MM either, they just don't factor too much in my extreme admiration for Elvis. I'm in it purely for the music and the good looking guy, everything else is secondary.

Well, yes. That's the negative side of fame, but you can't have the good side without the bad one. I guess it is worth for her, though, since she has choosen to be a singer and continue being in the spotlight.

[debtdbruno]

I personally think Elvis owns this song, I used to like the Righteous Brothers original version.............. that was until I saw Elvis performing it and fell in love with his vocal on it. Powerful song and one of my all time favourites. They are many covers Elvis has done that I think are better than the original, this is one of the reasons j'adore Elvis.

perfect........:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notw orthy:notworthy

[KPM]

That's fine that you and others like her music and style. Contrary on what may seem I don't wish her bad. If her music sells I say good for her, and if it doesn' I don't care. I don't have any problem either way. The only thing that bothers me is when it seems that you are not allowed to voice your opinion if it isn't a positive one when it comes to Lisa or anyone that was close to Elvis. That's all.

And regarding what you say about Elvis' fans not liking her attitude, don't you think that she has her big share of responsability on that? It was Lisa who showed herself that way untill recently. When you have that kind of attitude you are going to get some criticism for sure, regardless of your gender and who you are related to. When you show negativity and contempt that's exactly what you get in return. And to top it all off it seems obvious to me that she did it on purpose just for the sake of shocking people, so it's ridiculous that she now complains for what she herself sought. There comes a point in life when you need to be responsible of your own actions.
Gender I really believe has a place in this discussion......IF she had been a son-many might have said with a smile-
"Boy Elvis's son is a wild one, wow he takes no S**t from anyone!" and it would have been a badge of honor-sowing "his" wild oats
But Lisa was not judged that way-you have to admit she was expected by many to be "Elvis's little southern daughter"
I did not like her cocky attitude all the time either-but after some reflection I said to myself-she is just doing what most teens and young adults do-she is saying I do what I want and your rules do not apply....

As far as she brought it on herself-sure she did-but that is who she is-she is independent, high spirited and carries a huge shadow on her shoulder.....I do not think she wanted to shock anyone-I think she wanted to rebel against everyone and everything....just like all normal youth do ...sometimes into their late 20s. Males sow their wild oats, but females are not given that option-they usually get called bit**es who are over the line.
I do not like underlying prejudice and thats what we are talking about-that underlying sometimes hidden inner negative filter toward anyone or thing- and please understand I am not saying that you have this....never implied it-but many many fans and non fans do.
IE Presleys daughter-can't have talent, can't have writing ability, can't accomplish anything... if not for her famous father name-unfair for anyone to be judged solely from a gut wrench knee jerk mentality-but many do just that.

You and I have just been allowed to voice our fairly differing opinions about Lisa and the others, neither of us was not allowed to do so and I think both of us have shown respect to the other...thats what a forum is about differing ideas that are discussed pro and con.
I don't feel thats wrong.

[Snake Eyes]

Gender I really believe has a place in this discussion......IF she had been a son-many might have said with a smile-
"Boy Elvis's son is a wild one, wow he takes no S**t from anyone!" and it would have been a badge of honor-sowing "his" wild oats
But Lisa was not judged that way-you have to admit she was expected by many to be "Elvis's little southern daughter"
I did not like her cocky attitude all the time either-but after some reflection I said to myself-she is just doing what most teens and young adults do-she is saying I do what I want and your rules do not apply....

As far as she brought it on herself-sure she did-but that is who she is-she is independent, high spirited and carries a huge shadow on her shoulder.....I do not think she wanted to shock anyone-I think she wanted to rebel against everyone and everything....just like all normal youth do ...sometimes into their late 20s. Males sow their wild oats, but females are not given that option-they usually get called bit**es who are over the line.
I do not like underlying prejudice and thats what we are talking about-that underlying sometimes hidden inner negative filter toward anyone or thing- and please understand I am not saying that you have this....never implied it-but many many fans and non fans do.
IE Presleys daughter-can't have talent, can't have writing ability, can't accomplish anything... if not for her famous father name-unfair for anyone to be judged solely from a gut wrench knee jerk mentality-but many do just that.

You and I have just been allowed to voice our fairly differing opinions about Lisa and the others, neither of us was not allowed to do so and I think both of us have shown respect to the other...thats what a forum is about differing ideas that are discussed pro and con.
I don't feel thats wrong.

Ken, in a galaxy far far away, you would definately be a Jedi Master, the force is strong in you :lol:

Love the post, eloquently put and yes I completely agree things would be different IF she'd been the son of Elvis.

[Donut]

You and I have just been allowed to voice our fairly differing opinions about Lisa and the others, neither of us was not allowed to do so and I think both of us have shown respect to the other...thats what a forum is about differing ideas that are discussed pro and con.
I don't feel thats wrong.

Hmmm... well. I will not go into that. Maybe you haven't noticed it because you are in the "understanding team". But many times it's not easy to say certain things about them, not just here but in any Elvis' board. Some people automatically ask you to have respect and be nice when you try to give an objective opinion, even though you aren't insulting or offending those people.

Anyway, I guess we'll never change each other's mind but it's been good talking to you again :D

[LaurieT]

Hmmm... well. I will not go into that. Maybe you haven't noticed it because you are in the "understanding team". But many times it's not easy to say certain things about them, not just here but in any Elvis' board. Some people automatically ask you to have respect and be nice when you try to give an objective opinion, even though you aren't insulting or offending those people.

Anyway, I guess we'll never change each other's mind but it's been good talking to you again :D

Exactly donut,,,they put Lisa on such a high horse and you don't dare say anything negative about her. What drives me nuts is all the whinning any celeb or celeb child does about the things people say. They don't mind all the perks, and advantages they get for being related to that person. It offers them a good life and opens many doors,,,so please. Lisa lives like a queen in her own castle and Priscilla who came from very middle class has had more opportunity than she deserved IMO from belonging. So I just get tired of the whoa was me garbage. Oh, poor Lisa and Cilla,,,Elvis worked his butt off and they profit well from him. Especially Priscilla,,,that women has about as much talent as an Aunt Eater IMO. And I feel she is an attention hog,,,so oh well if she has to endure scrutiny.

[Brian]

Exactly donut,,,they put Lisa on such a high horse and you don't dare say anything negative about her. What drives me nuts is all the whinning any celeb or celeb child does about the things people say. They don't mind all the perks, and advantages they get for being related to that person. It offers them a good life and opens many doors,,,so please. Lisa lives like a queen in her own castle and Priscilla who came from very middle class has had more opportunity than she deserved IMO from belonging. So I just get tired of the whoa was me garbage. Oh, poor Lisa and Cilla,,,Elvis worked his butt off and they profit well from him. Especially Priscilla,,,that women has about as much talent as an Aunt Eater IMO. And I feel she is an attention hog,,,so oh well if she has to endure scrutiny.

And i will add that i don't think they have to endure that much scrutiny.

A little bit when her first record came out but Lisa wouldn't of been able to get a record deal in the first place.

What really holds Lisa back from being able to achieve some recognition on her own is that she can't sing and most people don't care for her music.

That's reflected in the dismal sales from her latest album.

[presley31]

My honest opinion is that if she had been the son of Elvis-she probably would get more respect-sad but true.
I have never liked prejudice in any form but it still lies hidden (and not so hidden) in our world.
I also see things a little different from most I guess-Priscilla, Lisa, EPE, even some of the MM are in "no win situations"
no matter what they do it will be wrong to certain individuals.....and that is totally unfair, totally not acceptable to me. (not just for here but in any area of life)
Take for example Lisa and her "In the Ghetto" duet with Elvis.......she had shied away from doing this or any of his songs and many fans criticized her for "not wanting to do something with her father or by her father"...yet many of the same fans then turned and criticized her for doing the duet and they made claims it was to boost her tour, career, new music etc........how can she ever be treated objectively with reasoning such as that?

Some claim I protect Lisa, EPE, Priscilla etc in my posts-not true...........I show the other side with I hope some objectivity.
But nothing and no one is perfect and that includes the above.....but they are also not out and out villains in every situation.

well said once again. I turly believe lisa shouldn't have to please her fathers fans or anybody for that matter and IF she wants to act like Queen so be it..who are we to judge?

[LaurieT]

well said once again. I turly believe lisa shouldn't have to please her fathers fans or anybody for that matter and IF she wants to act like Queen so be it..who are we to judge?

We have the right to our opinions, we have the right to discern someone's actions, talent. I am quite sure you do it quite naturally in every day life. And everyone on earth has it done to them quite naturally. It is what humans do. Judging means to do harm based on one's accessment. I am sure no one means Lisa harm we are giving opinions, which we have a right to. So there we have it again,,,we must act like *****s with no minds or opinions because it is Lisa?? Of course she doesn't have to please his fans or anyone. It is not about that,,that is a twisted logic. It is about selling one's self and talent. If you do not develope a loyal fan base,,,you will not sell? In essence the person become a products as well. Who she is, as a person,her talent, style (not as who she is linked to) is what will hold her fan base in the long run.
I like many songs in this C.D. even if I don't completely like the monotone sound of her voice. Would I buy it..no. She will always have a less than commercial fan base. IMO. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. But it sure as heck is not about her not living up to the expectations of her being like her father. That man was gifted beyond explanation.

[presley31]

We have the right to our opinions, we have the right to discern someone's actions, talent. I am quite sure you do it quite naturally in every day life. And everyone on earth has it done to them quite naturally. It is what humans do. Judging means to do harm based on one's accessment. I am sure no one means Lisa harm we are giving opinions, which we have a right to. So there we have it again,,,we must act like *****s with no minds or opinions because it is Lisa?? Of course she doesn't have to please his fans or anyone. It is not about that,,that is a twisted logic. It is about selling one's self and talent. If you do not develope a loyal fan base,,,you will not sell? In essence the person become a products as well. Who she is, as a person,her talent, style (not as who she is linked to) is what will hold her fan base in the long run.
I like many songs in this C.D. even if I don't completely like the monotone sound of her voice. Would I buy it..no. She will always have a less than commercial fan base. IMO. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. But it sure as heck is not about her not living up to the expectations of her being like her father. That man was gifted beyond explanation.

Yep we are allowed to agree and disgree on things and i don't agree with everything you said but you do have some good points:) Nobody would be where they are now if it wasn't for elvis in my opinion. pris,lisa,MM,girlfriends, they all have there foot in the door thanks to elvis so i do agree with you there.

[Raised on Rock]

Exactly donut,,,they put Lisa on such a high horse and you don't dare say anything negative about her. What drives me nuts is all the whinning any celeb or celeb child does about the things people say. They don't mind all the perks, and advantages they get for being related to that person. It offers them a good life and opens many doors,,,so please. Lisa lives like a queen in her own castle and Priscilla who came from very middle class has had more opportunity than she deserved IMO from belonging. So I just get tired of the whoa was me garbage. Oh, poor Lisa and Cilla,,,Elvis worked his butt off and they profit well from him. Especially Priscilla,,,that women has about as much talent as an Aunt Eater IMO. And I feel she is an attention hog,,,so oh well if she has to endure scrutiny.


It can be better stated: Elvis worked his butt off. Lisa is lazy and just plays safe. I actually do like her, and like the new album sound, but again she let's herself to be overinflated with stuff like this, american idol and on and on, insted of going for hard work touring and TV shows that would be a real challenge for her in the musicianship department and not just in the media department. Sure the Opry is a big challenge, but it does sounds more like an image asset to get the respect that she should get by just playing gigs on and on... and then maybe...

Laziness is a musician worst enemy. And to take no chances, no struggles, well... there will be no excitement, no plot, and nobody will care for you.

This was her last chance to have a career of her own, and she is ruining it. Its over for her, she will be too old for another try. So many people would have sell their souls to have the chances she had, but she was such a rich spoiled drama queen to do something of value with it.

I was so excited to think we might see her growing up as an artist at last with this new album, but errr... well I think we do know that Mr. T-Bone Burnett is such a great producer, that he can even provide with some musical integrity where there is none.

Did Lisa ever though that having an obnoxious british manager who owns half the music business will make up for a serious lack on musicians hard work area?

I guess in 5 years when she releases another record we will hear her talking and talking about all the emotional issues in her life that prevented for having the record she wanted, the musical career she wanted, but oh yeah, this next one will really be it. **** Off!!!

This is not bashing her for being Elvis daughter, this is trying to see if she has musical backbone, or is more of a media creation as most "stars" today.

[Raised on Rock]

Other talented singers aren't that lucky as they have to play years of low paying gigs before finally getting a record deal.

I wonder why Lisa was so fortunate?

And that is exactly what makes you a good singer/musician. That was the price Elvis, The Beatles, Dylan, The Stones pay for their greatnes.

[KPM]

It can be better stated: Elvis worked his butt off. Lisa is lazy and just plays safe. I actually do like her, and like the new album sound, but again she let's herself to be overinflated with stuff like this, american idol and on and on, insted of going for hard work touring and TV shows that would be a real challenge for her in the musicianship department and not just in the media department. Sure the Opry is a big challenge, but it does sounds more like an image asset to get the respect that she should get by just playing gigs on and on... and then maybe...

Laziness is a musician worst enemy. And to take no chances, no struggles, well... there will be no excitement, no plot, and nobody will care for you.

This was her last chance to have a career of her own, and she is ruining it. Its over for her, she will be too old for another try. So many people would have sell their souls to have the chances she had, but she was such a rich spoiled drama queen to do something of value with it.

I was so excited to think we might see her growing up as an artist at last with this new album, but errr... well I think we do know that Mr. T-Bone Burnett is such a great producer, that he can even provide with some musical integrity where there is none.

Did Lisa ever though that having an obnoxious british manager who owns half the music business will make up for a serious lack on musicians hard work area?

I guess in 5 years when she releases another record we will hear her talking and talking about all the emotional issues in her life that prevented for having the record she wanted, the musical career she wanted, but oh yeah, this next one will really be it. **** Off!!!

This is not bashing her for being Elvis daughter, this is trying to see if she has musical backbone, or is more of a media creation as most "stars" today.
Elvis did work his butt off, but if we are all honest....there were periods where he did not-he coasted, he played around with his musicians, he just did not mount a total attack on his performances. He did not want to learn new material for his concerts after 73, he became bored, and he became set in his way of constructing his show-he doubted changing his sets.....so he did not change......just as in life he doubted many things and so he could not change. He let the jumpsuits become the showstoppers in some cases-that was the change...he let the power ballads become where he put his all out effort, or How Great Thou Art...he coasted, and we still ate it up-so we are partly to blame.
He was not taking risks, he was not taking chances in the movie years, very few non movie songs during those years
Now before the Elvis world throws me out on my ear ;):D I try to have a level of understanding for these things that happened
Let me say again Elvis became bored, he became stymied and after 1973 did not like recording and just began to coast. He easily fell into ruts, and once he fell it took huge things to bring him out. Some might say he became "lazy" in his performances. He was not taking risks not taking chances he was dependent upon what he felt worked. His voice expanded, his range grew-when he choice to engage it.
I have been accused of being "in the understanding crowd"......yes I will agree with that...... and wear it as a badge of honor.
Everyone does have a right to voice opinions and mine takes the view that there are 2 sides to every story and that includes everyone we speak of including Elvis, Lisa, Priscilla etc.....there are factors and reasons for each person being who they are.(not excuses-real life factors)
Elvis was not perfect and he had personality flaws that I have many times tried to point out probably went back to childhood, he had medical problems such as the congenital ganglionic fold in his colon that worsened as he aged, he had a super poor childhood, overprotective mother, his father was not a strong person in many ways, he was an only child who was spoiled to an extent by his mother, he had a predilection for addiction that seems to have some roots in his genes, as did heart disease....listing all these things is not to criticize Elvis it is to point out "a level of understanding" for who he was, his mental and personalilty flaws, some of his health issues, his dependence on medications etc.........and any time I have pointed these out various things "trying to show some understanding for who he was"...who he became...very few people here have taken much issue with my points over time as real life factors in his makeup that Elvis had little control over-they were there IE- no one controls who their parents are, their financial situation in childhood, nor their genes......all affected him in ways we (or he)cannot totally understand...but they affected him.
I understand this......I understand we all have similar lists in some way shape or form that contributes quite a bit-to the people we become.
Well my understanding of Elvis is no different than my trying to understand all the others, myself or anyone really....I do not think that is a wrong approach to looking at people....trying to understand is better in my estimation than just judgement with no real consideration for the things that create who we are.
As far as Lisa being lazy-in the days of Elvis-3 singles a year, and a couple soundtrack albums a year was the norm (and the soundtracks were mostly lackluster music with a few good songs), same for the other artists, Beatles had 2-3 singles a year and a couple albums that was the norm...in the 80s it became longer and longer for albums to be produced by artists-2-3 years and yes some artists as long as 4-5...singles became a lost art that has all but become non existent really...the albums are the big thing and artists today take forever to release new ones.....I agree to me its too long...to me it seems lazy....compared to 3 singles a year and 2 full albums...but that is the norm for 2012 so Lisa is not doing anything that most artists have been doing for years. Her career I agree has not been fully engaged...she has kids, she has personal things that have jumped into her path, Nicholas Cage, marital ups and downs, involvement with Gracelands activities etc......all things that have taken time from her full engagement toward her career.
Every star-every artist has had some mountains and molehills to climb that have been in their way-Sinatras personality got him into fights, issues with unsavory underworld characters, marital problems with many women........and actually losing his voice for a period in the 50s where he felt his career was over-yet the truth was he had a career that lasted several decades and he overcame all the obstacles and flaws to rise over and over
but he was written off as too unstable in his life, too unpredictable many many times etc.....Lisa is still in her careers infancy, she is still a very young person (comparitive to me:D anyway)and I am not ready to say she is done, she has been given her chance and blown it...because I truely believe she has some talent-(not like her father, not like Sinatra, not like Beatles but as good as many current acts) I do not just say that to take a position..... I hear it and read it in her lyrics.
But not everyone has to like her, not everyone has to agree.....my trying to understand these situations and people involved is, I hope, not seen as just being argumentative....it is just what I say it is trying to point out a level of understanding for all people and situations.
If I have my own pet person to gripe at it would be Col Parker....but I feel he is no different.... something made him who he was-I just do not really know what they may have been since he was such the Snowman.
Hopefully some of you have an understanding of who I am, and what made me....since I have been pretty much an open book since my first post here....... but perhaps not, regardless I try to be objective.:blush:

[Raised on Rock]

Elvis did work his butt off, but if we are all honest....there were periods where he did not-he coasted, he played around with his musicians, he just did not mount a total attack on his performances. He did not want to learn new material for his concerts after 73, he became bored, and he became set in his way of constructing his show-he doubted changing his sets.....so he did not change......just as in life he doubted many things and so he could not change. He let the jumpsuits become the showstoppers in some cases-that was the change...he let the power ballads become where he put his all out effort, or How Great Thou Art...he coasted, and we still ate it up-so we are partly to blame.
He was not taking risks, he was not taking chances in the movie years, very few non movie songs during those years
Now before the Elvis world throws me out on my ear ;):D I try to have a level of understanding for these things that happened
Let me say again Elvis became bored, he became stymied and after 1973 did not like recording and just began to coast. He easily fell into ruts, and once he fell it took huge things to bring him out. Some might say he became "lazy" in his performances. He was not taking risks not taking chances he was dependent upon what he felt worked. His voice expanded, his range grew-when he choice to engage it.
I have been accused of being "in the understanding crowd"......yes I will agree with that...... and wear it as a badge of honor.
Everyone does have a right to voice opinions and mine takes the view that there are 2 sides to every story and that includes everyone we speak of including Elvis, Lisa, Priscilla etc.....there are factors and reasons for each person being who they are.(not excuses-real life factors)
Elvis was not perfect and he had personality flaws that I have many times tried to point out probably went back to childhood, he had medical problems such as the congenital ganglionic fold in his colon that worsened as he aged, he had a super poor childhood, overprotective mother, his father was not a strong person in many ways, he was an only child who was spoiled to an extent by his mother, he had a predilection for addiction that seems to have some roots in his genes, as did heart disease....listing all these things is not to criticize Elvis it is to point out "a level of understanding" for who he was, his mental and personalilty flaws, some of his health issues, his dependence on medications etc.........and any time I have pointed these out various things "trying to show some understanding for who he was"...who he became...very few people here have taken much issue with my points over time as real life factors in his makeup that Elvis had little control over-they were there IE- no one controls who their parents are, their financial situation in childhood, nor their genes......all affected him in ways we (or he)cannot totally understand...but they affected him.
I understand this......I understand we all have similar lists in some way shape or form that contributes quite a bit-to the people we become.
Well my understanding of Elvis is no different than my trying to understand all the others, myself or anyone really....I do not think that is a wrong approach to looking at people....trying to understand is better in my estimation than just judgement with no real consideration for the things that create who we are.
As far as Lisa being lazy-in the days of Elvis-3 singles a year, and a couple soundtrack albums a year was the norm (and the soundtracks were mostly lackluster music with a few good songs), same for the other artists, Beatles had 2-3 singles a year and a couple albums that was the norm...in the 80s it became longer and longer for albums to be produced by artists-2-3 years and yes some artists as long as 4-5...singles became a lost art that has all but become non existent really...the albums are the big thing and artists today take forever to release new ones.....I agree to me its too long...to me it seems lazy....compared to 3 singles a year and 2 full albums...but that is the norm for 2012 so Lisa is not doing anything that most artists have been doing for years. Her career I agree has not been fully engaged...she has kids, she has personal things that have jumped into her path, Nicholas Cage, marital ups and downs, involvement with Gracelands activities etc......all things that have taken time from her full engagement toward her career.
Every star-every artist has had some mountains and molehills to climb that have been in their way-Sinatras personality got him into fights, issues with unsavory underworld characters, marital problems with many women........and actually losing his voice for a period in the 50s where he felt his career was over-yet the truth was he had a career that lasted several decades and he overcame all the obstacles and flaws to rise over and over
but he was written off as too unstable in his life, too unpredictable many many times etc.....Lisa is still in her careers infancy, she is still a very young person (comparitive to me:D anyway)and I am not ready to say she is done, she has been given her chance and blown it...because I truely believe she has some talent-(not like her father, not like Sinatra, not like Beatles but as good as many current acts) I do not just say that to take a position..... I hear it and read it in her lyrics.
But not everyone has to like her, not everyone has to agree.....my trying to understand these situations and people involved is, I hope, not seen as just being argumentative....it is just what I say it is trying to point out a level of understanding for all people and situations.
If I have my own pet person to gripe at it would be Col Parker....but I feel he is no different.... something made him who he was-I just do not really know what they may have been since he was such the Snowman.
Hopefully some of you have an understanding of who I am, and what made me....since I have been pretty much an open book since my first post here....... but perhaps not, regardless I try to be objective.:blush:

Na... you didn't get it. The fact that today most artist (although that is changing) release an album every 3 years while back in the 50's/60's 3 albums a year was the norm, had anything to do with me saying Lisa is a lazy musician. I'm talking about a formative period of hard work that temper your talent for good, Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, The Stones,worked their *** out to get their sound and musical knowledge way before they even get a proper record contract. I'm talking about hours and hours of practice, rehearsing, and just go on stage and try to win the crowd or else... you might not even get a meal, for sure not a career. Many talented people today has been through that too. Lisa hardly ever been that dedicated, its a bad joke to only suggest that. And don't blame her emotional troubles and stones in the way for that, cause many big big artist had it worst (like real problems not just hollywood people ones) and even then, they shined all the way in their music.

Yes, Elvis has many character flaws, and yes he did acted way lazy many times in his career, and he did payed the price the hard way, he almost ruined his career forever in the 60's and the same after '73. But yet, when he decided to work, he was one of the hardest working man on the music scene, let's say the '68 TV Special, yes, it was publicity, it was a staged event to get the public attention again, it was pretty much like this Carnegie Hall stuff, a big bunch of media bullshit to get respect, yet, behind all that Elvis worked his ***-out during that special, and you can tell that at the very first note he sang, big plus: he had all that musical learning from his first 7 years. Elvis shined when he wanted to shine becuase no matter if he was lazy for 5 years, there where other 8 years of extreme hard work before, and there other 5 years of hard work after. Lisa? yes is 40 years old and she's still an amateur with a big production behind to hide it. She's auntie glass of milk having a hobbie, with good ol' Simon providing a huge machinery to make her look nice.

Yes there where times Elvis didn't took challenges, and he was to much of a coward to look for them, but hey, really? You have never notice his devoted dedication to cultivate his voice though his whole career? The way he reinvented him self at least 4 times in 20 years. Yes there where times he acted as a mediocre ***** if you like, but not though allhis 40 years old my friend, Lisa is older that Elvis ever lived, and she still talks about discovering her voice? give me a freakin' breake. Sorry, but she has been a mediocre musician through 45 odd years. That is not disliking her as a person, it is just what it is.

In fact I do like her so much, and I do think she has some talent, but hey, in any art form, talent is only 25%, the rest is just hard work, she lacks that other 75% and not even T-Bone's magic and Simon's big fancy smoke curtains can make up for that. You can tell how akward and amateurish she looks on stage when she is no longer protected by the studio four walls, if she had 23 years old, but hey, she's going for the fifth floor. And that is sad, I really was excited by this album, I really had big hopes for this one, but she is repeating old mistakes. Believe me, she does Idol cause she can't handle a From the Basement full show.

I'll take Cat Power anytime, sure, you might not like her voice either, you can say she's less talented that Lisa, well I might even agree, but Cat is all about hard work and overcome shitty times, and that's the heart on her sound. Lisa is lazy, her music is a dam hobby to her, and that has anything to do with the spelling of her last name or her parents faults or Michaels impotence, or Cage being a weirdo who make her cry.

[Brian]

Na... you didn't get it. The fact that today most artist (although that is changing) release an album every 3 years while back in the 50's/60's 3 albums a year was the norm, had anything to do with me saying Lisa is a lazy musician. I'm talking about a formative period of hard work that temper your talent for good, Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, The Stones,worked their *** out to get their sound and musical knowledge way before they even get a proper record contract. I'm talking about hours and hours of practice, rehearsing, and just go on stage and try to win the crowd or else... you might not even get a meal, for sure not a career. Many talented people today has been through that too. Lisa hardly ever been that dedicated, its a bad joke to only suggest that. And don't blame her emotional troubles and stones in the way for that, cause many big big artist had it worst (like real problems not just hollywood people ones) and even then, they shined all the way in their music.


Yeah the way Lisa talks music is a hobby.

If she's not busy with her kids or whatever she'll make a record.

[Snake Eyes]

It can be better stated: Elvis worked his butt off. Lisa is lazy and just plays safe. I actually do like her, and like the new album sound, but again she let's herself to be overinflated with stuff like this, american idol and on and on, insted of going for hard work touring and TV shows that would be a real challenge for her in the musicianship department and not just in the media department. Sure the Opry is a big challenge, but it does sounds more like an image asset to get the respect that she should get by just playing gigs on and on... and then maybe...

Laziness is a musician worst enemy. And to take no chances, no struggles, well... there will be no excitement, no plot, and nobody will care for you.

This was her last chance to have a career of her own, and she is ruining it. Its over for her, she will be too old for another try. So many people would have sell their souls to have the chances she had, but she was such a rich spoiled drama queen to do something of value with it.

I was so excited to think we might see her growing up as an artist at last with this new album, but errr... well I think we do know that Mr. T-Bone Burnett is such a great producer, that he can even provide with some musical integrity where there is none.

Did Lisa ever though that having an obnoxious british manager who owns half the music business will make up for a serious lack on musicians hard work area?

I guess in 5 years when she releases another record we will hear her talking and talking about all the emotional issues in her life that prevented for having the record she wanted, the musical career she wanted, but oh yeah, this next one will really be it. **** Off!!!

This is not bashing her for being Elvis daughter, this is trying to see if she has musical backbone, or is more of a media creation as most "stars" today.

Well like you've stated before, she is too old for this to really work for her. Harsh but true, kids today do not want to see 40 something singers, especially female ones at that. Todays artist have a life span of about 5 years then drop off the radar or continue to produce more of the same stuff. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but even someone like Madonna doesn't have the same status she enjoyed back in the 80s or even the 90s. I cringe when I see her and I was a huge huge fan back in the 80s.

Unfortunately, Lisa has left it too late to seriously pursue this path and have an adequate level of success, but if she's happy with this, I won't knock her for it.

[Raised on Rock]

[/B]

Well like you've stated before, she is too old for this to really work for her. Harsh but true, kids today do not want to see 40 something singers, especially female ones at that. Todays artist have a life span of about 5 years then drop off the radar or continue to produce more of the same stuff. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but even someone like Madonna doesn't have the same status she enjoyed back in the 80s or even the 90s. I cringe when I see her and I was a huge huge fan back in the 80s.

Unfortunately, Lisa has left it too late to seriously pursue this path and have an adequate level of success, but if she's happy with this, I won't knock her for it.

Age won't be a problem if she had a solid musical past, as I said, Cat Power is in her prime, and a lot of young people is interested in her, and she's same age as Lisa. Hell! Seasick Steve breaktrhough at 65 years old or something, but he has been a dedicated musician since he was a young cat having day jobs. Lisa has been "busy" doing anything but music.

When this new album was about to be released it sounded good to me, and I had a lot of hope, but then again, she's not doing any serious touring, she's going for easy stuff as Idol instead of going for real challenges, and her live performance away from studio gimmicks, reveal that she hasn't improved her stage persona a bit since the last one, well how could she? in fact age make her look more ackwards instead of giving her the benefit of experience. SAD but to me this was her last chance, and is not working, and there is no last name to blame, only a serious lack of doing your homework.

This Carnegie Hall seems like nothing but a big publicity stunt to give her some serious musical credibility, I hope she at least mind to upgrade her stage persona a bit for it, but really? you can't do a life long work in 3 months, no matter who's your producer/managment. She's not up to it, the sad thing is: she does have talent, so what a waste.

[KPM]

Na... you didn't get it. The fact that today most artist (although that is changing) release an album every 3 years while back in the 50's/60's 3 albums a year was the norm, had anything to do with me saying Lisa is a lazy musician. I'm talking about a formative period of hard work that temper your talent for good, Elvis, Beatles, Dylan, The Stones,worked their *** out to get their sound and musical knowledge way before they even get a proper record contract. I'm talking about hours and hours of practice, rehearsing, and just go on stage and try to win the crowd or else... you might not even get a meal, for sure not a career. Many talented people today has been through that too. Lisa hardly ever been that dedicated, its a bad joke to only suggest that. And don't blame her emotional troubles and stones in the way for that, cause many big big artist had it worst (like real problems not just hollywood people ones) and even then, they shined all the way in their music.

Yes, Elvis has many character flaws, and yes he did acted way lazy many times in his career, and he did payed the price the hard way, he almost ruined his career forever in the 60's and the same after '73. But yet, when he decided to work, he was one of the hardest working man on the music scene, let's say the '68 TV Special, yes, it was publicity, it was a staged event to get the public attention again, it was pretty much like this Carnegie Hall stuff, a big bunch of media bullshit to get respect, yet, behind all that Elvis worked his ***-out during that special, and you can tell that at the very first note he sang, big plus: he had all that musical learning from his first 7 years. Elvis shined when he wanted to shine becuase no matter if he was lazy for 5 years, there where other 8 years of extreme hard work before, and there other 5 years of hard work after. Lisa? yes is 40 years old and she's still an amateur with a big production behind to hide it. She's auntie glass of milk having a hobbie, with good ol' Simon providing a huge machinery to make her look nice.

Yes there where times Elvis didn't took challenges, and he was to much of a coward to look for them, but hey, really? You have never notice his devoted dedication to cultivate his voice though his whole career? The way he reinvented him self at least 4 times in 20 years. Yes there where times he acted as a mediocre ***** if you like, but not though allhis 40 years old my friend, Lisa is older that Elvis ever lived, and she still talks about discovering her voice? give me a freakin' breake. Sorry, but she has been a mediocre musician through 45 odd years. That is not disliking her as a person, it is just what it is.

In fact I do like her so much, and I do think she has some talent, but hey, in any art form, talent is only 25%, the rest is just hard work, she lacks that other 75% and not even T-Bone's magic and Simon's big fancy smoke curtains can make up for that. You can tell how akward and amateurish she looks on stage when she is no longer protected by the studio four walls, if she had 23 years old, but hey, she's going for the fifth floor. And that is sad, I really was excited by this album, I really had big hopes for this one, but she is repeating old mistakes. Believe me, she does Idol cause she can't handle a From the Basement full show.

I'll take Cat Power anytime, sure, you might not like her voice either, you can say she's less talented that Lisa, well I might even agree, but Cat is all about hard work and overcome shitty times, and that's the heart on her sound. Lisa is lazy, her music is a dam hobby to her, and that has anything to do with the spelling of her last name or her parents faults or Michaels impotence, or Cage being a weirdo who make her cry.
Well as I said we all have an opinion, and all have the right to voice it but with due respect my friend the things that Lisa says are problems....or have impeded her.....in her mind are real actual factors in her life-that in her mind do have a cause affect.....just because someone "outside of her life" does not see them as real problems, real factors real reasons does not change the truth that they have in her situation been factors that have affected her life and career.
There is and old saying I have quoted many times
"No man (or woman) is an island"
But to go even further-even islands...isolated, unihabited are affected by things they have no control over....by the suns heat, by the tides power, by underground volcanic activity that may increase their size or sink them lock stock and palm tree........and not every island will react exactly precisely like another because they are not sitting in exactly the same location, because they have been blessed with more trees more vegetation or have more rock and craggy ground....IE sun, tides and volcanoes do not pose the problems that the other island ends up with.
Thats the same with people, "Unless you've walked in their shoes, seen thru their eyes......" according to Elvis.
But thats just my view trying to understand each unique situation for all these different people.
I agree Elvis worked his tail off but the sun, the tides, the volcanic action of life at times affected that process and changed his island...many he had little control over IE upbringing, wealth, parents, formative years that we have learned create 90% of the mental process that you use for the rest of your life.....that goes for us all.
Sorry we disagree on this.

[KPM]

Yeah the way Lisa talks music is a hobby.

If she's not busy with her kids or whatever she'll make a record.
Well the last time I checked there are laws on how often you have to record, nor about pursuing a career at any speed you decide you want to thats the beauty of freedom. Of course the proof of career or not will be in sales....eventually if sales are not adequate, if she has no record company and wants to self produce and distribute thats also her decision to make down the road.
She is not the only artist with a famous parent to wrestle with which direction her career should go nor with the shadow/depth of feeling for their famous parent.
Hank Williams Jr-his mother for years kept him mostly singing his fathers music, dressing like his dad and singing in his dads style-it took time for him to finally make the break and revolt against using his fathers music and developing his own style and writing his own songs...but he had the same conflict of mentality...hated the comparisons to his dad....but constantly writes songs that bring up his father....eventually after he was a success in his own right he made a video that blended old country show performance of his fathers song "Tear in My Beer" with new footage made to look old so they dueted. The need to prove ones self, against the need to love and acknowledge your roots (father) thats the way I see it for people such as this.
Williams Jr has really worked hard and hit a chord with country fans at the "Outlaw" phase of the 70s and has totally overcome any conflict it seems.
But his start in music was not a meteoric rise-he had to break out of the situation with his mother and then find his stride.
Whether Lisa can do this I admit is debateable.

[Raised on Rock]

Well as I said we all have an opinion, and all have the right to voice it but with due respect my friend the things that Lisa says are problems....or have impeded her.....in her mind are real actual factors in her life-that in her mind do have a cause affect.....just because someone "outside of her life" does not see them as real problems, real factors real reasons does not change the truth that they have in her situation been factors that have affected her life and career.
There is and old saying I have quoted many times
"No man (or woman) is an island"
But to go even further-even islands...isolated, unihabited are affected by things they have no control over....by the suns heat, by the tides power, by underground volcanic activity that may increase their size or sink them lock stock and palm tree........and not every island will react exactly precisely like another because they are not sitting in exactly the same location, because they have been blessed with more trees more vegetation or have more rock and craggy ground....IE sun, tides and volcanoes do not pose the problems that the other island ends up with.
Thats the same with people, "Unless you've walked in their shoes, seen thru their eyes......" according to Elvis.
But thats just my view trying to understand each unique situation for all these different people.
I agree Elvis worked his tail off but the sun, the tides, the volcanic action of life at times affected that process and changed his island...many he had little control over IE upbringing, wealth, parents, formative years that we have learned create 90% of the mental process that you use for the rest of your life.....that goes for us all.
Sorry we disagree on this.

All right! She has real problems, I hear you now and I agree with what you stated here, but still, that's not excuse to do your homework if you want to be a real musician. Many great singers had it worst, and they still where great. So???

[Raised on Rock]

Williams Jr has really worked hard and hit a chord with country fans...

Yes he did. That's why he is a musician on its own, with real musical backbone, and got respect by the people the hard way.

A lot of hard work and dedication, with translates into musical quality, a strong stage persona and tons of passion. Exactly what Lisa does not have and his huge managment machine can't provide with this Carnegie Hall bull...

[KPM]

Yes he did. That's why he is a musician on its own, with real musical backbone, and got respect by the people the hard way.

A lot of hard work and dedication, with translates into musical quality, a strong stage persona and tons of passion. Exactly what Lisa does not have and his huge managment machine can't provide with this Carnegie Hall bull...
But you are missing my point...he did not start out working hard, nor did he start out with the winning "Outlaw" image, nor with his own songs-he was managed by him mom who had a "cause and affect on his developement as an artist" for those several years he followed her managment he wore his fathers suits, he sang his fathers songs, he listened to those advising him and he went thru the motions.....so his hard work, commitment to music and his dedication which now translates into musical quality-came after his years of going thru the motions and not having the will to revolt, not having the strength to find his own place, not having the confidence to fully commit.
Now Lisa has only been at this for less time than Hank wasted as an imitation of his father-he did finally make that revolt, find his own image and write songs he wanted to record......despite a dismall start.
She may or may not have be able to find that image, voice and style to follow in Hank Jrs "Family Tradition" so to speak but she is still less years into her career than Hank Jr wasted. So time will tell my friend.
This thread has been a diversion for me-my mom is dying and I thank you for spirited debate that takes my thoughts off the reality of most of my days this last week.

[Raised on Rock]

But you are missing my point...he did not start out working hard, nor did he start out with the winning "Outlaw" image, nor with his own songs-he was managed by him mom who had a "cause and affect on his developement as an artist" for those several years he followed her managment he wore his fathers suits, he sang his fathers songs, he listened to those advising him and he went thru the motions.....so his hard work, commitment to music and his dedication which now translates into musical quality-came after his years of going thru the motions and not having the will to revolt, not having the strength to find his own place, not having the confidence to fully commit.
Now Lisa has only been at this for less time than Hank wasted as an imitation of his father-he did finally make that revolt, find his own image and write songs he wanted to record......despite a dismall start.
She may or may not have be able to find that image, voice and style to follow in Hank Jrs "Family Tradition" so to speak but she is still less years into her career than Hank Jr wasted. So time will tell my friend.
This thread has been a diversion for me-my mom is dying and I thank you for spirited debate that takes my thoughts off the reality of most of my days this last week.

Yet, in the days he was an impersonactor of his father, still that has some musical integrity, as it that was no easy stuff, it was music school 101, it was still being inmerse in music, and it was hard work, and it serve as the solid music soil in which he steps his own sound today. Lisa doesn't has that either. She has been little into musicianship life.

Yet as I said, I hear you, and I had big expectations that she did finally got it with this album, but she's making old mistakes instead of movin' forward. AND IS GETTIN' LATE!!! Its gettin' late and she's not workin' hard enough to catch the train, instead she's lettin the publicity machine to supply for that, and that's a big mistake, that's my point. Is not a problem of mixing her voice right in a live setting, is a problem of her not really knowing what to do with her on stage. Is so amateurish.

I'm not a Lisa hate her, I do like her, but Hey! this adulation from the fans (Elvis fans, are there Lisa's fans on their own?), this free opening the doors of big halls and all, it is Carless love again, if you know what I mean.

Its all and always friendly debate man, never take it in other way. Sorry to hear about your mom, all my best wishes for you both. I know how its like, my prayers are with you.

[Brian]

Well the last time I checked there are laws on how often you have to record, nor about pursuing a career at any speed you decide you want to thats the beauty of freedom. Of course the proof of career or not will be in sales....eventually if sales are not adequate, if she has no record company and wants to self produce and distribute thats also her decision to make down the road.
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Lisa can do whatever she wishes.

Still Raised on rock has a point that Lisa isn't working on improving as a singer or a performer.

Lisa's label may very well be displeased with the sales of Storm & Grace and that could put a stop to any plans she has for putting out another record.

I think Lisa will get to put out one more record then it will bomb and it'll be the last one she ever makes.

[Snake Eyes]

I think both KPM and RoR have raised good points and during each post, I find myself leaning to the fact that Lisa has to some extent had it easy with regards to her career. Yes, she's had doors opened and been given opportunities most could only dream of, yet she's also had it tough because the expectations of her talent were there prior to her opening her mouth.

RoR does make a very good point in the fact that if music was a path she seriously wanted to do, she should've worked harder by touring smaller venues and putting herself out there more. Eventually she would have built up a legitimate fan base that doesn't consist of many of her fathers fans. People will always go to gigs to hear new music, but Lisa doesn't appear to have the dedication to seriously follow it through and give it her all.

KPM posted that Lisa's personal problems were also distractions to her career and that is on point too. Whether we agree with that or not, it doesn't matter. She has struggled with them and at various times in her life, she may not have felt confident or strong enough to take on a musical project. I believe it was also KPM who has previously stated that Lisa is or could be a magnificent poet, music may be in her blood, but I don't feel it's in her soul. I don't dislike LMP but she needs to seriously consider which way her career is heading and whether it's something she wants to continue to pursue.

[Diane]

I feel for Lisa her family comes first...and that's not a bad thing. Writing and singing may just be her outlet for all her life's frustrations. I agree she doesn't have her soul in her music as her dad did but I do like some of her material and her low voice. I can't abide by shrieking singers.

[Snake Eyes]

I feel for Lisa her family comes first...and that's not a bad thing. Writing and singing may just be her outlet for all her life's frustrations. I agree she doesn't have her soul in her music as her dad did but I do like some of her material and her low voice. I can't abide by shrieking singers.

Mariah Carey has just taken you off of her Christmas card list Diane :lol:

[Raised on Rock]

I feel for Lisa her family comes first...and that's not a bad thing. Writing and singing may just be her outlet for all her life's frustrations. I agree she doesn't have her soul in her music as her dad did but I do like some of her material and her low voice. I can't abide by shrieking singers.

I do like her voice too, and there is nothing wrong with family going first. But many great artists manage both with success, certainly not Elvis as he lost his family because of touring and all, I guess that might be a reason why Lisa does not throw all of herself into the water but only dips her little finger tip. Some kind of trauma after what happened to her father. But in art, if you want be good, like real good, is either all or nothing.

Maybe she should be doing better, and even evolved better as a musician if she had kept her self low profile. It will all be more real, but she wants it big time (or her managment wants it that way) when in fact, without the last name, she is not up to it.

[Diane]

Mariah Carey has just taken you off of her Christmas card list Diane :lol:

Aw what a shame!:lol: I much prefer Beyonce.

[Diane]

I do like her voice too, and there is nothing wrong with family going first. But many great artists manage both with success, certainly not Elvis as he lost his family because of touring and all, I guess that might be a reason why Lisa does not throw all of herself into the water but only dips her little finger tip. Some kind of trauma after what happened to her father. But in art, if you want be good, like real good, is either all or nothing.

Maybe she should be doing better, and even evolved better as a musician if she had kept her self low profile. It will all be more real, but she wants it big time (or her managment wants it that way) when in fact, without the last name, she is not up to it.

I agree. I don't think she wants it as much as people behind her who are pushing.