This is supposedly in RCA Vaults 7-31-69

[KPM]

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I found this at an Elvis site-7-31-69 audio is supposedly in the vaults.

[ThreeCornPatches]

Would be great if it gets released Incomplete or not, its would be interesting to hear how elvis performs on his first show after 8 years. and if he sounded nervous. and its interesting to hear how the crowd goes wild one can hope
i think they didnt release it because the tracklisting it to short. then again they could have placed it into a 2cd set containing this to start of the cd.

[Raised on Rock]

There are also rumors of tapes with informal recordings of Elvis rehearsals for his '69 season in Vegas, but not in RCA vaults but in private hands.

Would be great to hear the tape you are sharing!

[IM4Elvis]

If this was in their vaults, what would be the rational for not releasing it? The fans who would be interesed in this release, complete or not, are not getting any younger. I fear that RCA/BMG/Sony/FTD are going to wait until those who would purchase such material are no longer around.

IM

[debtdbruno]

I think we'd all like 'something' from the vaults from opening night......even if its not complete

[King Of The Whole World]

Would love to hear these, would be even better if there was good video of those shows too.

[Diane]

Yes it would be nice to hear complete or not.

[Jungleroom76]

Agreed!! (y)

If the opening night show isn't complete, then release it as a 2-CD set with another show (complete or incomplete) from the '69 engagement...or maybe even just some "best of" leftover performances from the engagement?? :hmm:

Considering the historical nature of the opening night show, I can't believe it hasn't already been released (or talked about anyway)... :doh:

TCB!
Mike

[Raised on Rock]

Agreed!! (y)

If the opening night show isn't complete, then release it as a 2-CD set with another show (complete or incomplete) from the '69 engagement...or maybe even just some "best of" leftover performances from the engagement?? :hmm:

Considering the historical nature of the opening night show, I can't believe it hasn't already been released (or talked about anyway)... :doh:

TCB!
Mike

At this point its only like: FTD is saving the best/more interesting/rare for their last run and gave us a big ending, or, they actually don't have that. lol

[Jungleroom76]

At this point its only like: FTD is saving the best/more interesting/rare for their last run and gave us a big ending, or, they actually don't have that. lol

Definitely two distinct possibilities. As we've talked about before, despite all the great material that FTD has given us over the years, there has to be a finite end to the label when they simply don't have anything else to release. Of course, we've already talked (in other threads) about how much longer the label can continue on, but at some point, there just won't be anything left in the vaults that Ernst deems worthy of release and that will be the end of FTD Records. :sad:

So you may be right, that something like the opening night '69 show is being held for a swan-song style ending to the label (perhaps the EOT material as well?). Or perhaps they simply don't have the tape...perhaps the picture Ken posted is just the tape box, but the tape itself is missing? Certainly not out of the realm of possibility, considering there are several tapes that RCA has boxes for with no tape in them. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

[KPM]

Definitely two distinct possibilities. As we've talked about before, despite all the great material that FTD has given us over the years, there has to be a finite end to the label when they simply don't have anything else to release. Of course, we've already talked (in other threads) about how much longer the label can continue on, but at some point, there just won't be anything left in the vaults that Ernst deems worthy of release and that will be the end of FTD Records. :sad:

So you may be right, that something like the opening night '69 show is being held for a swan-song style ending to the label (perhaps the EOT material as well?). Or perhaps they simply don't have the tape...perhaps the picture Ken posted is just the tape box, but the tape itself is missing? Certainly not out of the realm of possibility, considering there are several tapes that RCA has boxes for with no tape in them. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike
Yes I thought of that myself, or perhaps the sound is bad, or the tape is damaged beyond repair.

[KPM]

Here is the site I found the photo and information at:
http://rareelvispresley.com/
Near the bottom of the menu on the left is BMG Vaults and it has a first hand account of searching thru the various vaults for Elvis material.

Also at this site check out the "Not to be Found Materials" section they have quite a few things listed which they say may be in existence.

[Jungleroom76]

Here is the site I found the photo and information at:
http://rareelvispresley.com/
Near the bottom of the menu on the left is BMG Vaults and it has a first hand account of searching thru the various vaults for Elvis material.

Also at this site check out the "Not to be Found Materials" section they have quite a few things listed which they say may be in existence.

WOW!!!! :jawdrop:

I have never seen this website before!!! What am amazing resource just from the few minutes I spent browsing it just now... (y)

I can't wait to do some more digging through this information, but I do have to say right off the top that I am a little skeptical of some of the information. For example, they say that the entire 5/11/74 LA performance was filmed? Does this mean professionally or fan-shot footage? I find it hard to believe that if this show (or some of the others listed) were indeed professionally shot that some of that footage hasn't been found and/or leaked out by now!! And if this information is correct, how does the webmaster know this stuff was actually filmed...what source(s) do they have to confirm this information?? :hmm:

Nevertheless, it is a VERY cool looking site and I can't wait to do some more digging! Thanks Ken for posting this!! :notworthy

TCB!
Mike

[ThreeCornPatches]

Yeah this site's awesome, below is the list they state as being Filmed from 69-77!!

-JANUARY & FEBRUARY 1969 MEMPHIS FOOTAGE OF ELVIS RECORDING AT THE "AMERICAN STUDIO" IN MEMPHIS

-JULY 31 1969 "LAS VEGAS" APPROXIMATELY 12 TO 15 MINUTED OF THIS PERFORMANCE WAS FILMED BY NBC. ALTHOUGH IT IS RUMOURED THAT THE BOOTLEG RELEASE OF THIS SHOW IS TAKEN FROM FILM FOOTAGE WHICH WOULD INDICATE THE WHOLE SHOW WAS FILMED (UNCOMFIRMED)

-AUGUST 5 1969 "LAS VEGAS" FROM OUR SOURCES IT APPEARS THAT ONLY 3 TO 5 SONGS WERE FILMED FROM THIS SHOW

-FEBRUARY 17 & 18 1970 "LAS VEGAS "THERE WERE THREE COMPLETE CONCERTS FILMED OVER 2 DAYS + ONE REHEARSAL

-FEBRUARY 27 1970 "HOUSTON ASTRODOME" THE OPENING SHOW WAS FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY



FILMING FOR MGM

"THAT'S THE WAY IT IS"

JULY 14 1970 MGM STAGE 1 "CULVER CITY" REHEARSAL

JULY 29 1970 MGM STAGE 1 "CULVER CITY" REHEARSAL

AUGUST 4 1970 "LAS VEGAL INTER. HOTEL" PRESS CONFERENCE ROOM / REHEARSAL

AUGUST 6/7 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" SHOW ROOM / REHEARSAL

AUGUST 10 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" SHOW ROOM / REHEARSAL

AUGUST 10 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" OPENING SHOW + AFTER SHOW PARTY

AUGUST 11 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" DS + MS

AUGUST 12 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" DS + MS

AUGUST 13 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" DS

AUGUST 14 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" DS

AUGUST 15 1970 "LAS VEGAS INTER. HOTEL" DS

SEPTEMBER 9 1970 "PHOENIX" VETERAN MEMORIAL COLISEUM

AUGUST 9 1971 "LAS VEGAS" AT LEAST 7 PERFORMANCES WERE FILMED DURING THIS CONCERT

NOVEMBER 10 1971 "BOSTON" THIS SHOW WAS FILMED IN IT'S ENTERETY

JANUARY 26 1972 "LAS VEGAS" 2 CAMERAS FILMED OPENING NIGHT

FILMING FOR MGM

"ELVIS ON TOUR"

MARCH 30 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

MARCH 31 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY CONFERENCE ROOM FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY FILMED USING A MOBILE VIDEO CAMERA

APRIL 9 1972 "HAMPTON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 10 1972 "RICHMOND" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 13 1972 "CHARLOTTE" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 15 1972 "MACON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 16 1972 "JACKSONVILLE" / 2 CONCERTS / + AFTER SHOW FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 18 1972 "SAN ANTONIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

JUNE 9 1972 "MADISON SQUARE GARDEN" NY THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 40 MINUTES OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTAGES

NOVEMBER 18 1972 "THE H.I.C. ARENA, HONOLULU HAWAII" AT LEAST 4 SONGS WERE FILMED DURING THIS SHOW

JANUARY 23 1973 "LAS VEGAS" A MINIMUM OF 7 SONGS FROM THIS CONCERT IS ON FILM AND IN THE HANDS OF COLLECTOR




MAY 11 1974 "THE FORUM, LA" THE EVENING SHOW WAS FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

MARCH 20 1974 "MIDSOUTH COLISEUM MEMPHIS" 2 CAMERAS FILMED THIS SHOW / CAMERA 1 CAUGHT ONLY THE FIRST 8 MINUTES BUT CAMERA 2 CAPTURED AN ESTIMATED 95% OF THE ENTIRE CONCERT

MAY 5 1975 "STATE FAIR COLISEUM JACKSON", MS LOCAL TV FILMED BACKSTAGE AND PARTS OF THIS BENEFIT CONCERT FOR THE VICTIMS OF THE TORNADO THAT HIT JACKSON MISSISSIPPI

JULY 13 1975 "CONVENTION CENTER NIAGARA FALL" NY TV CAMERAS FILMED AT LEAST 4 SONGS FROM THIS SHOW

NOVEMBER 30 1976 "ANAHEIM CONVENTION CENTER", CA 2 MOBILE CAMERAS VIDEO ON TRIPODS CAUGHT THIS ENTIRE SHOW ON FILM

DECEMBER 30 1976 "ATLANTA" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 1 1977 "MACON" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 17 1977 "SOUTHWEST MO. STAGE UNIVERSITY SPRINGFIELD" CBS USED 2 MOBILE VIDEO CAMERAS FOR THIS PERFORMANCE IN PREPARATION FOR THE FULL CAMERA CREW

JUNE 19 1977 "OMAHA CIVIC CENTER" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 21 1977 "MOUNT RUSHMORE RAPID CITY" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 26 1977 "MARKET SQUARE ARENA INDIANAPOLIS "THE CBS CAMERA TEAM FILMED ELVIS' FINAL PERFORMANCE OF THIS TOUR ON 2 CAMERAS AROUND 20 MINUTES.

THIS FOOTAGE ARE IN THE EPE ARCHIVES AND A FULL COPY OF THE SHOW IS IN THE PRIVATES HANDS

JUNE ?? 1977 - GRACELAND -

UNCONFIRMED / ONE COLLECTOR SAY THAT HE HAS FOOTAGE OF ELVIS BY THE POOL AT GRACELAND BEING INTERVIEWED BY CBS TEAM

[KPM]

My question would be-who are the sources they got the info from?
I would love for all this stuff to be true-but as of now its just rumor.

[vivaelvis]

I think generations from now will unearth lost Elvis footage that nobody today knows about (including EPE or any of the experts from FECC) outside of the owners of the footage.

[KPM]

I think generations from now will unearth lost Elvis footage that nobody today knows about (including EPE or any of the experts from FECC) outside of the owners of the footage.
I would agree-but much of the footage that has surfaced in the last 35 years is mainly fan footage that is horribly out of focus, horribly lit, or shot from the balconys. The other footage which is clear and lit well usually ends up being very choppy and very haphazard in nature.
The gems of the fan footage are few and far between-but I love it when a new one surfaces.

[Jungleroom76]

I would agree-but much of the footage that has surfaced in the last 35 years is mainly fan footage that is horribly out of focus, horribly lit, or shot from the balconys. The other footage which is clear and lit well usually ends up being very choppy and very haphazard in nature.
The gems of the fan footage are few and far between-but I love it when a new one surfaces.

Fortunately, technology continues to improve though so that lends hope to future fan-shot film finds. I can remember watching fan footage of Elvis years ago and it was bad, but then have seen the same footage within the least couple of years and because of the advances in computer technology, people are able to take that bad footage and correct it to make it very watchable! So there is hope... ;)

TCB!
Mike

[ThreeCornPatches]

I would agree-but much of the footage that has surfaced in the last 35 years is mainly fan footage that is horribly out of focus, horribly lit, or shot from the balconys. The other footage which is clear and lit well usually ends up being very choppy and very haphazard in nature.
The gems of the fan footage are few and far between-but I love it when a new one surfaces.


U know that the list that i posted was meant to be unreleased PROFESSIONAL footage right.

[1100ccRider]

That's not from July 31. Elvis did "That's All Right" and "Johnny B. Goode" on opening night (maybe others...don't have the list in front of me) and whoever made this track listing in 1979 got the date wrong. Could be a box for the August 3 dinner show that was originally marketed as opening night?

I'd love to hear the good news that 7/31/69 has been unearthed!

[KPM]

Yes I know its suppose to mean professional footage-but since there is no sourcing given for each item on the list, its hard to take a list this size seriously. It looks like all the rumors and wishes of we fans over the last 35 years.
Some of the items are higher in probability than others, but still its just heresay right now.
Would love for it all to be true.

[LPM1254]

Also there is something wrong on the list. Elvis did not perform on january 23. He started on january 26 and ended on february 23.

[LPM1254]

1973. Forgot to write that.:blink:

[LPM1254]

But after all I think it's very hard to believe that there is no more professionally filmed stuff than the known. -- I just don't know why. -- I guess Elvis himself did not care as he wanted people to see him live,and not on film. The 3 tv-specials and the 2 movies (T.T.W.I.I. and E.O.T) was not his idea. Of course he was interested to do a very good job,and also did his best,but it was not he who came up with the idea. Even the 68-special was Parker's idea from the first when he wanted him to do "something else". - - Later on I guess Parker did'nt think over it. Elvis was alive,and was doing concerts all the time. Why use cameras? ----- I hope I'm wrong. ----- At least at special events there should have been some cameras rolling. Like the 1961 concerts, the opening or at least one of the 69 concerts, maybe Houston in 70, new years eve 75. As examples.
The only reason I can imagine there were cameras in Vegas in 69 is that (as far as I know) NBC have in their contracts to sending an reprise of the 68-show in 1969. Which they also did. (They then replaced "Blue Christmas" with "Tiger man".) But maybe they want some new extra material as a bonus,and that is maybe the rumour-explanation from the above-mentioned list about NBC filmed some few songs in Vegas in 69. - But this is just what I think.

[Jungleroom76]

But after all I think it's very hard to believe that there is no more professionally filmed stuff than the known. -- I just don't know why. -- I guess Elvis himself did not care as he wanted people to see him live,and not on film. The 3 tv-specials and the 2 movies (T.T.W.I.I. and E.O.T) was not his idea. Of course he was interested to do a very good job,and also did his best,but it was not he who came up with the idea. Even the 68-special was Parker's idea from the first when he wanted him to do "something else". - - Later on I guess Parker did'nt think over it. Elvis was alive,and was doing concerts all the time. Why use cameras? ----- I hope I'm wrong. ----- At least at special events there should have been some cameras rolling. Like the 1961 concerts, the opening or at least one of the 69 concerts, maybe Houston in 70, new years eve 75. As examples.
The only reason I can imagine there were cameras in Vegas in 69 is that (as far as I know) NBC have in their contracts to sending an reprise of the 68-show in 1969. Which they also did. (They then replaced "Blue Christmas" with "Tiger man".) But maybe they want some new extra material as a bonus,and that is maybe the rumour-explanation from the above-mentioned list about NBC filmed some few songs in Vegas in 69. - But this is just what I think.

Interesting question, but my guess is the answer is very simple...$$$$$$$$$

By the time Elvis was back on tour in the 70's, The Colonel was at his greediest in terms of stealing as much money from Elvis as he could, and filming concerts would cost money and cut into the touring profits, thus cutting into The Colonel's take. The Colonel probably just didn't see the need to film concerts...believe me, if he had any idea on how to make money from filming Elvis' shows, he would have done it!! My guess is he just didn't want to spend the extra money to film the shows, thus adding more money to the greedy b*****d's pockets!!! :angry:

To be honest, I am a bit mystified as to why more important shows like the Astrodome shows, the Madison Square Garden shows or other more high-profile shows weren't filmed or contracts weren't worked out to televise the shows. I can understand why The Colonel didn't work out a deal to film/televise the opening Vegas '69 shows...after being off stage for so many years, there was some hesitation as to how Elvis would be received by a live audience and there is nothing worse than falling flat in front of a filmed/televised audience...so that one I can understand why there were no deals worked out for a film/TV project. But once it was clearly established that Elvis was indeed back and would be out on tour, I don't know why there weren't more filmed/televised projects worked out. Although another point of speculation has to be that The Colonel always had a thing about not over-exposing Elvis, so perhaps he felt if there were more concerts televised/released, it would cut down on attendance at shows?? :hmm:

Some points to ponder... ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

By the way, I'd like to welcome you to TCB-World LPM1254!! :welcome: :clap:

We're glad to have you as a part of our TCB-World family!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[LPM1254]

Oh,thank you Mike! -- I've been here for some years,but have not been so active as you can see. --- I guess the most people here is from the us? --- Actually I've been in the us 4 times. Visiting new states every time. Now I've been in 29,missing 21. - All the 50 before I'm 50 years old is my goal...
That leads to a funny question. I knew it once,but I have forgotten. How many states never saw an Elvis-concert? I believe it is about 8. I know for sure Alaska, Vermont, New Hampshire, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, Delaware. That's those I remember just taking it out of my head.
Do I miss someone?

[KPM]

I know that some people record every concert they do, I have a friend who is huge a Hank Williams Jr. fan and he says that Hank Jr. videofilms and records every single concert he has done since the video cameras became common place.
Williams likes to review his shows and he keeps the copies-smart IMO.

[Jungleroom76]

Oh,thank you Mike! -- I've been here for some years,but have not been so active as you can see.

Well we're happy you're active with us now!! ;)


That leads to a funny question. I knew it once,but I have forgotten. How many states never saw an Elvis-concert? I believe it is about 8. I know for sure Alaska, Vermont, New Hampshire, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, Delaware. That's those I remember just taking it out of my head.
Do I miss someone?

New Jersey I believe is one he never performed in either... :hmm:

I think that's all of them. ;)

TCB!
Mike

[See See Rider]

Bad Rumor!

[max]

WOW!!!!

I have never seen this website before!!!

www.rareelvispresley.com


What am amazing resource just from the few minutes I spent browsing it just now...

[max]

Nice site www.rareelvispresley.com

Thnx

[steve grayson]

it`s funny about all this stuff from 1969 as we all know that felton and rca didn`t bring any recording equipment before the 20th of august and Joan Deary (who came in my convnetion 3 times in Montreal) always says that there were no recording in the early vegas engagements..so....
steve

[Raised on Rock]

Steve is right, there was no RCA guys before Aug 20. Yet, another kind of recording could have been made and that's the tape from?

Going a bit out of topic.

Some times I wonder how great would be if Felton Jarvis would still be around us. The amount of knowlege we would have both: about Elvis sessions and recorded or not live stuff, but mostly about how was Elvis at work session by session.

To bad... rest in peace F.J.

[KPM]

Its hard to say what may have been done at the beginning in 69, I mean even a high quality reel to reel tape unmixed from a single feed would be a great find and I guess it could have been done with little or no fanfare if Elvis, Parker or someone at RCA had wanted to hear the opening night.
The fact that the cases exist in the photo leaves open the question why go to the trouble to right all the songs down if no tape existed??
I must say RCA in general seems to have been a pretty haphazard company when it came to keeping records.....sales, recording date details, where the raw elements for recording dates were in storage after the album was released......they just seem really disorganized.

[steve grayson]

after the dead of Felton, I met his wife a few times near nashville and we had a chance to talk with others from Europe (they were the buyers) and she also talks about the stress of recording live but Felton was alrewady working to overdubbed and making some final touch to some recording that elvis did in memphis in the beginning of the year.She said that he didn`t left for vegas before the 19th and that he had to receive the quipement and rca people on the 20th to begingg recording on the 22nd.
steve

[Raised on Rock]

after the dead of Felton, I met his wife a few times near nashville and we had a chance to talk with others from Europe (they were the buyers) and she also talks about the stress of recording live but Felton was alrewady working to overdubbed and making some final touch to some recording that elvis did in memphis in the beginning of the year.She said that he didn`t left for vegas before the 19th and that he had to receive the quipement and rca people on the 20th to begingg recording on the 22nd.
steve

That some valuable first hand info, thanks so much Steve.

[steve grayson]

this is some stuff that I know for sure because it happen to me. When I was with Joan Deary we had long talk somethime 3-4 hours long she was a very special friend and a very special woman. Ms Jarvis also was real nice. I remember Ms. Jarvis when she told me and the other guys that Felton tell hwer that the sound engeneer had some recording tape..bruce jackson and bill porter.
thansk, steve