Experiment with "Elvis On Tour" blu-ray high def on a 3D TV... interesting

[gilesm]

So, this weekend I decided to experiment by watching EOT via 3D conversion.
My TV has a setting to convert 2D to 3D so I thought I would try it with my Blu-ray copy of EOT.

The conversion process is essentially upscaling to 3D, and it does work.
It's not like watching a real 3D disc, but for Elvis On Tour the experience was very good.

During the concert scenes there was a real feeling of depth between Elvis and his band, and those long shots of the stage from the
audience they really worked.

Elvis looked fantastic! some how the conversion made him look even better and the whole experience was really good.

I wonder if the studio will ever do a proper 2D-3D conversion? I guess that would be asking way too much, we only have a tiny part of what was filmed in any kind of release at all.

If anyone is curious about 2D-3D conversion, it works, but it's not the same as proper 3D, it gives an overall perception of depth but and it's a nice novelty, but not much more than that....

If you have the equipment, give it a try, if not don't spend money thinking you will watch great Elvis stuff in 3D, it works but do not set expectations too high...

[vivaelvis]

I'm sure by 2020 we'll have a 3D version of EOT. But by then everyone else will be experiencing movies in 4D and 5D. :lol:

[my boy]

Maybe that's why it's taking so long to release ALOHA FROM HAWAII on Blu-ray –– it will be in 3D too!!

[vivaelvis]

I think Aloha From Hawaii will be released in both HD and Blu Ray for the 40th Anniversary or possibly next year. EPE will be looking to cash in on another upgrade with this being their money maker. I don't know when we'll get a 3D Aloha version or if we ever will. Time will tell.

[JRtherealJR]

That was a great experiment you did there. I must say, ever since I heard that the technology existed to do 2D-3D conversions, ALOHA sprang immediately to my mind.

It's just a shame that the show was recorded onto videotape so even when they release it on Blu-Ray the picture quality will not be any better than what we have allready on standard DVD.

[vivaelvis]

That was a great experiment you did there. I must say, ever since I heard that the technology existed to do 2D-3D conversions, ALOHA sprang immediately to my mind.

It's just a shame that the show was recorded onto videotape so even when they release it on Blu-Ray the picture quality will not be any better than what we have allready on standard DVD.

Not exactly correct. EPE has the original master tapes from NBC television who later transformed them to videotape. It just costs a lot of money to transform original masters into HD, Blu Ray or now, 3D. It's cheaper, still expensive, to remaster which is what has been done recently. But, now that EPE is a privately owned company with financial backing, they can afford to do things now that couldn't be done 10 years ago.

[JRtherealJR]

Not exactly correct. EPE has the original master tapes from NBC television who later transformed them to videotape. It just costs a lot of money to transform original masters into HD, Blu Ray or now, 3D. It's cheaper, still expensive, to remaster which is what has been done recently. But, now that EPE is a privately owned company with financial backing, they can afford to do things now that couldn't be done 10 years ago.

Sorry mate is is you who is incorrect.

ALOHA was recorded live onto 4 quadruplex (2") videotape machines and 3 smaller machines which were located in another mobile studio.

The 2” Quad was the first successful videotape format. The name comes from its four-head wheel which rotated 240 times a second. It was still widely used in the industry in the 1980s.

The videotaped ALOHA source material is below HD quality and any subsequent release onto Blu-Ray will not have any picture improvement at all above the standard DVD which we allready have.

It's impossible to actually upscale the quality of a video to HD. You cannot take a video and make it better or more high quality that its original. All you could really do is output it in a 720 or 1080p setting and it would cut off the top and bottom while 'technically' fitting the HD spec for frame size.

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, on the other hand, was recorded using film and is true HD quality material which definitely benefits from a Blu-Ray release.

[vivaelvis]

Aloha From Hawaii was broadcasted live with no tape delay. The only tape delay was for the actual US version. Some video taped film can be transformed into HD format. It's already been done by ABC television. Some older 70's comedies have been formatted for HD that were filmed on video. It's just so expensive.

[JRtherealJR]

Aloha From Hawaii was broadcasted live with no tape delay.

Yes, what you have said above is correct.

Then as this live broadcast went out, it was simultaneously recorded onto Quadruplex video tapes.

[TCBDavid]

JR is indeed correct i work in film and it is impossible to get tape to HD but TTWII you could as its film

[gilesm]

Hello... I will try aloha and the 68 special at the next opportunity! probably next Saturday...

[vivaelvis]

See See Rider from Aloha From Hawaii in HD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwZYcWoSi_E

[my boy]

Brilliant –– there's definitely an improvement so SONY bring on the Blu-ray...

[Unchained Melody]

Sure i hope ftd will do something with these shows.

[vivaelvis]

Sure i hope ftd will do something with these shows.

Sony/FTD have no rights to the video footage, only the audio. But, I don't see these important factors being held for the private collector's label.

[Unchained Melody]

Sony/FTD have no rights to the video footage, only the audio..
Thats what i was talking about.

[JRtherealJR]

See See Rider from Aloha From Hawaii in HD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwZYcWoSi_E

Thank you vivaelvis for posting this video as an example of the "Fake or Technical HD" I mentioned; that is to say- this video is not HD at all.

All they have done is to output the ALOHA video in a 720 or 1080p setting and it would cut off the top and bottom while 'technically' fitting the HD spec for frame size.

Just play the video and look at the picture resolution- it's no improvement over the standard DVD version.....and yet it is technically HD. But not HD really.

Sorry mate, you simply cannot upscale 40-year old Quadruplex video tapes into HD. I for one would love to have ALOHA in true HD, but it will never happen. ALOHA on Blu-Ray? Take my advice and just stick to the DVD.

[vivaelvis]

Thank you vivaelvis for posting this video as an example of the "Fake or Technical HD" I mentioned; that is to say- this video is not HD at all.

All they have done is to output the ALOHA video in a 720 or 1080p setting and it would cut off the top and bottom while 'technically' fitting the HD spec for frame size.

Just play the video and look at the picture resolution- it's no improvement over the standard DVD version.....and yet it is technically HD. But not HD really.

Sorry mate, you simply cannot upscale 40-year old Quadruplex video tapes into HD. I for one would love to have ALOHA in true HD, but it will never happen. ALOHA on Blu-Ray? Take my advice and just stick to the DVD.

http://www.dvd-ipod.biz/hd/how-to-convert-video-files-to-hd-files.html

[gilesm]

JR is right, when Aloha is seen on a HDTV the TV upscales to fit the screen but this is not like a film based product such as Jailhouse Rock which was simply scanned (the negative) at 1920 x 1080 lines of picture information. You can't do that with video tape. You can have various processes (via computer, TV, DVD player) that can 'estimate' what goes in those extra lines, (upscale) but you can't get genuine HD 1920 x 1080 lines from this
kind of source.

This is why the Jailhouse Rock, EOT and VLV Blu-ray's look so good because the negative has been scanned at 1920 x 1080 native HD format.
If there is a negative then true HD can be done, no negative, no true HD.
Similar for 3D, you have processes that can make an estimated pseudo 3D or you can go back to the negative and using computers make a 3D SBS image. The key is, you need a negative to scan either way.

[my boy]

Thank you vivaelvis for posting this video as an example of the "Fake or Technical HD" I mentioned; that is to say- this video is not HD at all.

All they have done is to output the ALOHA video in a 720 or 1080p setting and it would cut off the top and bottom while 'technically' fitting the HD spec for frame size.

Just play the video and look at the picture resolution- it's no improvement over the standard DVD version.....and yet it is technically HD. But not HD really.

Sorry mate, you simply cannot upscale 40-year old Quadruplex video tapes into HD. I for one would love to have ALOHA in true HD, but it will never happen. ALOHA on Blu-Ray? Take my advice and just stick to the DVD.


It may be fake HD but it works and the picture is the best I've seen ALOHA look!

Additionally the sound would be improved on a Blu-ray release too...I'm sure it's in the pipeline...