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Brian Quinn
12-21-2010, 05:24 AM
I could not believe my ears last night whilst watching 'Coronation Street' (a UK Soap Opera with around 10 million viewers). During the interval an advertisement was shown for the latest Michael Jackson Album and in it he is shown with a crown on his head whilst it is announced 'The Greatest Artist Of All-Time'. I would not have minded this had his record label not been Sony, the same as Elvis'. However, this now places Elvis in a dilemma. No wonder his latest records are not selling so well - Jackson (in death) has stolen his thunder (with the compliance of Sony).

Very angry indeed.

Brian :angry:

JRtherealJR
12-21-2010, 05:36 AM
Quite right, Brian. I could not agree with you more about this. In fact I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about the artwork for this album with the fake crown etc. and how angry I was that this fake title is still being promoted even after his death.

Just Google "SELF-PROCLAIMED KOP".

As I said before, and which most people already know- this was a title which Jackson came up with all by himself, and ordered his publiscists to perpetuate it. It's well known by Jackson insiders that he was jealous of Elvis' title as the King and Jackson actually said "They call Elvis the King, why not me?"

There are numerous stories of him refusing to go onstage unless he was introduced as KOP.

It is obviously just hype of his own making, but the sad thing is some people are falling for it.

Brian Quinn
12-21-2010, 05:53 AM
Hi Guys,

I agree with all what you say. If its any consolation it is in the following news item just released by 'Music Week' in the UK.

"After getting off to a slow start last week, Michael Jackson’s Epic- and posthumous-released Michael continues to under-perform: it is destined to slip out of the albums top five this Sunday with sales plummeting by more than 50% week-on-week."

Brian :clap:

monk37
12-21-2010, 06:32 AM
well, very few people cared about Jackson the day before his death and all that over the tip hyped emotion faded off pretty quickly once the news cycle ended.

Jackson peaked in 1984 and for the last 15 years has not been relevant

At least Elvis had a very short decline period - lack of label support started wayyyy back.

I always wondered what his career would have been if, instead of his contract being sold to RCA - that Sun kept him and made a pressing/distribution deal with RCA for a portion of the money he generated

I just can't see Sam Philips letting Elvis record Song of the Shrimp or The Bullfighter was a Lady.

KPM
12-21-2010, 02:07 PM
The Greatest Artist of All time is a very subjective decision.
MJ surely would rank in the top 4-5 individuals who have at one time been proclaimed that and as I said it is very subjective in nature-what criteria are they using, sales, performing skills, songwriting, longevity, various honors he has been given, sold out performances, etc........
At this time MJ is still attracting much attention, hes only been gone less that 2 years its still fresh his fans are ripe for the picking and Sony knows that they can not "offend them" in this time of huge profits to be made..........;)
So they would rather offend we Elvis fans who they have had 33 years to profit from.;) Business is business.
It does not bother me-Elvis was called artist of the Century-so was MJ
SInatra was callled artist of the Century also by some-its a subjective title............
As far as the this being the reason Viva Elvis has not sold well-thats not the main reason IMO-but it has to contribute.

KPM
12-21-2010, 02:11 PM
well, very few people cared about Jackson the day before his death and all that over the tip hyped emotion faded off pretty quickly once the news cycle ended.

Jackson peaked in 1984 and for the last 15 years has not been relevant

At least Elvis had a very short decline period - lack of label support started wayyyy back.

I always wondered what his career would have been if, instead of his contract being sold to RCA - that Sun kept him and made a pressing/distribution deal with RCA for a portion of the money he generated

I just can't see Sam Philips letting Elvis record Song of the Shrimp or The Bullfighter was a Lady.
Unfortunately Sam would have had little sayso in the matter even if he had worked a deal with RCA as you suggest.
Parker negotiated the movie deals, he recommended Elvis sign them, Elvis wanted a serious movie career, but that was not the deal Parker negotiated with Hollywood-so Phillips could not have stopped movie songs from being recorded if Elvis was contractually obligated to record songs for the films-and we all know there was profit made from the soundtrack records-so Parker would have made sure they were released in one way or another.

rickb
12-21-2010, 04:47 PM
Wacko's `new' single with Akon debuted at no.19 in Australia - how high will he get in 30 years?

monk37
12-21-2010, 08:26 PM
I wonder if Sam would have mitigated Parker's influence or run him off

Sam pushed Elvis to push himself, explore new territory

I think if his recording remained as fresh and vital as at Sun, Elvis wouldn't have been content to do the factory musical travelogues.

Joe Car
12-21-2010, 09:16 PM
I saw that and laughed. What a slime-ball company Sony turned out to be!

Raised on Rock
12-21-2010, 11:06 PM
well, very few people cared about Jackson the day before his death and all that over the tip hyped emotion faded off pretty quickly once the news cycle ended.

Jackson peaked in 1984 and for the last 15 years has not been relevant

At least Elvis had a very short decline period - lack of label support started wayyyy back.

I always wondered what his career would have been if, instead of his contract being sold to RCA - that Sun kept him and made a pressing/distribution deal with RCA for a portion of the money he generated

I just can't see Sam Philips letting Elvis record Song of the Shrimp or The Bullfighter was a Lady.

The problem about staying at Sun is that all artists that did that, saw their careers finished around '63, the ones that kept going moved somewhere else before that period in time. Maybe going to RCA but keep Sam as his producer?

Anyway, I've always been of the opinion that Elvis would have shined the most as a musician if he had signed with ATLANTIC, instead of RCA.

Just an opinion, for the record. Sorry to go off topic.

Raised on Rock
12-21-2010, 11:27 PM
"After getting off to a slow start last week, Michael Jackson’s Epic- and posthumous-released Michael continues to under-perform: it is destined to slip out of the albums top five this Sunday with sales plummeting by more than 50% week-on-week."

Brian :clap:

This might also tell that SONY is really failing in selling their products, remember Viva Elvis?

But then again is not just SONY, the music industry is in a serious crisis because of the internet and the way indie labels are handeling their stuff. Mayor companies are failing in how to deal with this changes. Billboard and charts of the like, are is no longer the Bible about what it is being or not popular among people.


Anyway, The Jackson 5 where cool (it was late Motown), and we can't deny the value of what Michel did solo in the early 80's (although I don't like it at all), he deserves all the praise his fans does want to give him, that does not take anything away from any other artist.

Now this crown and all, whatever, its just marketing, its as fake as his late singing and his fake "I'm a sensitive guy bull...", it does tell you how labels work. I don't think Elvis needs to be called the King neither by his label, neither by his fans. His music, his singing, his performances, his art making, does have a different value of their own in more meaningful terms than this "king of chicken" ridiculous prom race.


It's well known by Jackson insiders that he was jealous of Elvis' title as the King and Jackson actually said "They call Elvis the King, why not me?"


LOL Cause Elvis had the manners of a King, Elvis was a man's man, he was THE MAN, cause Elvis actually had a great personality and charisma? while Michael "the molester" Jackson, had what? cause he was a very sensitive creep? Why not me? Why not me? cause there are natural Kings (even if Elvis never asked and even hated to be called the king) and there is the wanna be.

Now take away hightech synths and gimmicks and stage antics away of the post Jackson 5 Micheal and what you got? lol

Take away everything from Elvis except an electric guitar, and what you got? '68 comback special baby.

ROCKET88
12-22-2010, 02:41 AM
In the US the new Jackson album didn't even went in the top 5 of album sales. Guess that says it all. Nobody can't compare with Elvis' album sales. There is NO proof at all that Wacko is the greatest of all time. No album sales, no merchandise sales, no nothing. Jackson was a legend in his own time, but thats about it. Nobody cares for him in about 5-10 years, believe me. Elvis is forever, and still sells very well, even after 30+ years after his passing.
3 weeks ago i went to Viva Elvis. Almost sold out, and with lots and lots of 20-30 years old fans. Thats the future!

Albert
12-22-2010, 02:45 AM
This news really hurts me. I think we should make a stand and confront Sony with this.

I will truly guarantee that I will buy NO cd's anymore from Sony. Yes that's right, also no FTD's.

I know the Michael Jackson Estate (even while he was alive) was extremely eager to promote MJ as the biggest artists ever. There were lawyers hired to make sure newspapers and magazines referred to him as The King of Pop. Not doing so might put this paper or magazine out of the news loop.

I know the marketing department may say everything that improves sales. And I understand that MJ right now is a bigger guarantee for good sales than Elvis... but come on! You can't change history and ignore numbers!

Diane
12-22-2010, 08:15 AM
As far as I'm concerned, Elvis is the King of Rock and Jackson is the King of Pop...and Rock beats Pop so that's that.:D

lightcloud
12-22-2010, 08:18 AM
This news really hurts me. I think we should make a stand and confront Sony with this...

Is this really what being an Elvis fan is all about?

Sleepless~Dreamer
12-22-2010, 01:39 PM
I don't care what a stupid music company such as sony has to say...

Elvis Presley was an amazing entertainer FACT.

Michael Jackson was an amazing Entertainer FACT.

Why do people have to make it a competition as to who is the greatest who's sold the most albums who has the most money blah blah blah..
As long as the fans are still remembering there idol ...whether its Elvis, MJ, Freddie Mercury, Frank Sinatra... everyone has there own taste in music..

I could put a crown on my head and call myself the Queen of Scotland it wouldn't make any b***** difference. lol

SleepyJack
12-22-2010, 02:04 PM
I don't care what a stupid music company such as sony has to say...

Elvis Presley was an amazing entertainer FACT.

Michael Jackson was an amazing Entertainer FACT.

Why do people have to make it a competition as to who is the greatest who's sold the most albums who has the most money blah blah blah..
As long as the fans are still remembering there idol ...whether its Elvis, MJ, Freddie Mercury, Frank Sinatra... everyone has there own taste in music..

I could put a crown on my head and call myself the Queen of Scotland it wouldn't make any b***** difference. lol

I salute your wisdom your majesty!:lol:

laura17
12-22-2010, 03:41 PM
if there was not an elvis, there would be no jackson...

bossman
12-22-2010, 05:48 PM
Guys

Calm down
As our man said
"There is room for everyone...."
MJ was a great artist for a short while and is remembered now, lets see where he is in 30 years plus

There is only one and the general world population know him by his one name, ELVIS

Keep buying the CDs or we will lose to MJ
TCB

lightcloud
12-22-2010, 06:36 PM
I don't care what a stupid music company such as sony has to say...

Elvis Presley was an amazing entertainer FACT.

Michael Jackson was an amazing Entertainer FACT.

Why do people have to make it a competition as to who is the greatest who's sold the most albums who has the most money blah blah blah..
As long as the fans are still remembering there idol ...whether its Elvis, MJ, Freddie Mercury, Frank Sinatra... everyone has there own taste in music..

I could put a crown on my head and call myself the Queen of Scotland it wouldn't make any b***** difference. lol

Thank goodness..words of sanity in a sea of madness!

lightcloud
12-22-2010, 06:52 PM
if there was not an elvis, there would be no jackson...

I don't agree, MJ he was heavily influenced by James Brown, Gene Kelly, Jackie Wilson, Diana Ross, Fred Astaire!

Awickedreigndrop
12-22-2010, 11:28 PM
FYI, Sony was not the one who put the crown on MJ's head on the album cover. It's a painting done by an artist who's a fan, look it up. Being a fan of both artists this type of stuff really makes me sick and gets under my skin. It just sadden me to see such hatred and ugly attitude toward a man NONE of you knew. You wouldn't like it if people spoke about Elvis like this would you? BTW, MJ LOATHED Sony and protested against them. I'll say this once again, blame Sony's crappy marketing and some Elvis' fans lack of interest in a remix album. Blame the fans of the imitators, who will not last nearly as long as Elvis and MJ, for the lousy album sales. DO NOT blame an artist for Elvis' album not doing well, it's very petty.

Sadly, this post, Lightcloud's, and, Sleepless~Dreamer's will all go on unnoticed because hatred spreads faster than love. Just like my post did before on a thread similar to this one, bashing MJ because of Viva Elvis' poor sales.

KPM
12-23-2010, 03:30 PM
Yes MJ was influenced by the people you speak of-but the door which led to universal acceptance by all races for James Brown and Jackie Wilson was opened by Elvis Presley in 1954 with "Thats All Right Mamas" release.
Little Richard many many times stated that Elvis helped open the door which allowed he and other black artists to get acceptance and airplay on stations which before Elvis would not play R&B artists.
So if MJ was influenced by James and Jackie in Gary, Indiana its because he was able to hear their songs on local mainstream radio.
So if there had been no Elvis explosion-it is possible there would have been no MJ. IMO

JRtherealJR
12-23-2010, 04:31 PM
Michael Jackson was heavily influenced by Elvis as well as a host of others such as Cooley Jaxson, James Brown, Bob Fosse, Fred Astaire and Jeffrey Daniels.

But it was the phenomenon of Elvis which fascinated Jackson and which he was so desperate to equal.

Those who worked with him confirm that he was obsessed with Elvis' title as the King and wanted it for himself. Elvis' title of course was bestowed upon him by his fans, but it was Michael who proclaimed himself to be the King of Pop, and he even went so far as to fill up his house with portraits of himself wearing crowns and dressed in Kingly attire, as well as buying himself an oversized red throne for his Neverland Ranch.

There are numerous stories where he refused to go onstage unless he was introduced as the King of Pop. One of the main things which he took from Elvis was the importance of having a larger than life public image.

http://i53.tinypic.com/312ipnt.jpg

monk37
12-23-2010, 04:35 PM
well, without Elvis, there probably would have been a Jackson 5 - but not likely that any mixed or all white audience would have seen them. But their music would have been less disco and more other things. Whether MJ could have broken out from the group is another issue - he wasn't the star of group, he was one of the boys in it

I recently watched the episode of Carol Burnette when the Jackson 5 guested on it. None of the members were given any more attention than any other - except for Carol's gag swoon over the eldest brother.

Without Elvis kicking down the cultural race barrier, the civil rights movement probably would have started later. It would have happened, with a later start and possibly slower advances.

T_J
12-23-2010, 06:33 PM
In the US the new Jackson album didn't even went in the top 5 of album sales.

Jackson's latest album debuted at number three on Billboard's album chart. It was beaten by Taylor Swift and Susan Boyle.

Cliff
12-23-2010, 06:40 PM
FYI, Sony was not the one who put the crown on MJ's head on the album cover. It's a painting done by an artist who's a fan, look it up. Being a fan of both artists this type of stuff really makes me sick and gets under my skin. It just sadden me to see such hatred and ugly attitude toward a man NONE of you knew. You wouldn't like it if people spoke about Elvis like this would you? BTW, MJ LOATHED Sony and protested against them. I'll say this once again, blame Sony's crappy marketing and some Elvis' fans lack of interest in a remix album. Blame the fans of the imitators, who will not last nearly as long as Elvis and MJ, for the lousy album sales. DO NOT blame an artist for Elvis' album not doing well, it's very petty.

Sadly, this post, Lightcloud's, and, Sleepless~Dreamer's will all go on unnoticed because hatred spreads faster than love. Just like my post did before on a thread similar to this one, bashing MJ because of Viva Elvis' poor sales.

You said it Toya, and I agree with every word. I've been saying all along since MJ's untimely death, people get defensive when anyone says a bad word about Elvis. But these very same people don't mind putting down other artists. They all have tunnel vision.
Let's not forget who influenced Elvis.

Brian Quinn
12-24-2010, 05:22 AM
I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

molokai123
12-24-2010, 07:52 AM
i couldnt agree with you more!!! great post! (y)
I don't care what a stupid music company such as sony has to say...

Elvis Presley was an amazing entertainer FACT.

Michael Jackson was an amazing Entertainer FACT.

Why do people have to make it a competition as to who is the greatest who's sold the most albums who has the most money blah blah blah..
As long as the fans are still remembering there idol ...whether its Elvis, MJ, Freddie Mercury, Frank Sinatra... everyone has there own taste in music..

I could put a crown on my head and call myself the Queen of Scotland it wouldn't make any b***** difference. lol

vivaelvis
12-24-2010, 08:48 AM
In the US the new Jackson album didn't even went in the top 5 of album sales. Guess that says it all. Nobody can't compare with Elvis' album sales. There is NO proof at all that Wacko is the greatest of all time. No album sales, no merchandise sales, no nothing. Jackson was a legend in his own time, but thats about it. Nobody cares for him in about 5-10 years, believe me. Elvis is forever, and still sells very well, even after 30+ years after his passing.
3 weeks ago i went to Viva Elvis. Almost sold out, and with lots and lots of 20-30 years old fans. Thats the future!

I agree. MJ hurt himself and his legacy by being a freak show and a wierdo. His importance as an artist is no different than that of Lennon or McCartney. Elvis on the other hand is in a category all by himself. Jackson never influenced country music or Rock or Gospel or blues. Elvis did and he even had a big influence on Jackson himself and other black artists over the years. MJ's biggest claim to fame is pop music and dance. That's his boundaries. Elvis has no boundaries.

vivaelvis
12-24-2010, 08:51 AM
I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

While I agree with you I have to admit that This Is It set box office records for first week revenue. It's probably made more money today than all of Elvis' movies put together. But, that's all due in part to him dying and them trying to cash in quickly before his fire burns out.

Brian Quinn
12-24-2010, 09:13 AM
While I agree with you I have to admit that This Is It set box office records for first week revenue. It's probably made more money today than all of Elvis' movies put together. But, that's all due in part to him dying and them trying to cash in quickly before his fire burns out.

When one talks of Box Office Revenue one has to take into account the passage of time and the value of the dollar. Actually on another website a fan has worked out that 'This Is Elvis' has outsold 'This Is It' by a considerable margin.

The same is now being touted for the film 'Avatar' as being the most successful film of all-time. Again, it is not. There are many factors to be taken into consideration other than 'current' dollar gross. I suspect 'Gone With The Wind' is still No.1 by far.

Brian

TCE
12-24-2010, 10:48 AM
I 'll never understand what folks see in MJ. The MJ-fans just don't understand that it takes more then just grabing his thingy and shouting "EHH" or "AHH". For crying out loud: He even had a vocal coach and a dance instructor! If he was that great he wouldn't have needed them and I think his voice wasn't special at all. It shows who really is the greatest: Elvis did it all with his talent. His voice his moves. He even looked 1000 times better then MJ.


Christel (tce)

Brian Quinn
12-24-2010, 11:32 AM
From this week's 'Billboard' Magazine:

The arrival of "Michael" (Michael Jackson) spurs a 65-39 jump on the Billboard Hot 100 for the set's first radio single "Hold My Hand," with Akon. The song is Jackson's 38th top 40 hit on the Hot 100, breaking a tie with Neil Diamond. Among male artists, Jackson trails only Elvis Presley (80), Elton John (57), Stevie Wonder (46), James Brown (44), Marvin Gaye (41), Lil Wayne (41; see below) and Frankie Valli (39) for most top 40 charted titles among solo males.

Brian

lightcloud
12-24-2010, 12:56 PM
I will certainly raise this issue with SONY in the New Year and see if we can stop this Jackson 'King' nonsense once and for all. On virtually any criteria you care to name Elvis beats Jackson hands down whether it be dollar gross from films, dollar gross and sales from records and personal appearances, most photographed, better looking, most influential artist, most No.1 albums or singles, most records released, most impersonated, most books produced and historically far more important. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre available to him whereas Jackson sang in only a few. Elvis was also very humble with it. I could go on.

Elvis was the 'WHOLE' package, Jackson was NOT.

Brian

I can hear that conversation right now "Elvis was the King, Michael was not! HowDARE YOU produce an image with Michael wearing a crown!" The men in white coats are waiting for you.

lightcloud
12-24-2010, 01:30 PM
I 'll never understand what folks see in MJ. The MJ-fans just don't understand that it takes more then just grabing his thingy and shouting "EHH" or "AHH". For crying out loud: He even had a vocal coach and a dance instructor! If he was that great he wouldn't have needed them and I think his voice wasn't special at all. It shows who really is the greatest: Elvis did it all with his talent. His voice his moves. He even looked 1000 times better then MJ.


Christel (tce)

This thread is bordering on the ridiculous.

Awickedreigndrop
12-25-2010, 01:07 AM
This thread is bordering on the ridiculous.

I couldn't not agree more but like I said, the voices of reason are being overlooked and the hate fest continues. Go on, continue to waste your energy hating a dead man that did nothing wrong to you nor Elvis. Elvis would be VERY disappointed and disgusted in these folks in this thread. I know I sure am. This thread should be renamed "Let's bash and hate Michael Jackson"

Brian Quinn
12-25-2010, 03:20 AM
I couldn't not agree more but like I said, the voices of reason are being overlooked and the hate fest continues. Go on, continue to waste your energy hating a dead man that did nothing wrong to you nor Elvis. Elvis would be VERY disappointed and disgusted in these folks in this thread. I know I sure am. This thread should be renamed "Let's bash and hate Michael Jackson"

Jackson was no friend to Elvis.

Brian

lightcloud
12-25-2010, 04:17 PM
Not only are they friends they are dancing in heaven together!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00T-kLbOyxo

Awickedreigndrop
12-26-2010, 12:39 AM
Jackson was no friend to Elvis.

Brian

Did I say that they were friends? No. :blink: Some folks say they never met. MJ did Elvis no harm nor any harm to you. You're just looking for reasons to hate him. :mad: So what they weren't friends, but they also wasn't enemies.

Cliff
12-26-2010, 09:52 AM
Michael Jackson was heavily influenced by Elvis as well as a host of others such as Cooley Jaxson, James Brown, Bob Fosse, Fred Astaire and Jeffrey Daniels.

But it was the phenomenon of Elvis which fascinated Jackson and which he was so desperate to equal.

Those who worked with him confirm that he was obsessed with Elvis' title as the King and wanted it for himself. Elvis' title of course was bestowed upon him by his fans, but it was Michael who proclaimed himself to be the King of Pop, and he even went so far as to fill up his house with portraits of himself wearing crowns and dressed in Kingly attire, as well as buying himself an oversized red throne for his Neverland Ranch.

There are numerous stories where he refused to go onstage unless he was introduced as the King of Pop. One of the main things which he took from Elvis was the importance of having a larger than life public image.

http://i53.tinypic.com/312ipnt.jpg

I guess it's no worse than the guys who call themselves Elvis Tribute Artists. Dying their hair, wearing Elvis glasses and clothes, even having plastic surgery to look like him.
BTW,you say there are stories of MJ. Until 'those who worked with him' also confirm this,then that's all they are, stories

nolvis
12-26-2010, 11:58 AM
They were songs that were(are)a part of the script and intertwined into the movie thusly, and they to me,are always enjoyable and entertaining to watch and listen to!

Tigerman1975
12-27-2010, 06:00 AM
Whether he is called the "King of Pop" or not, he will never be the "King of Rock n Roll".

monk37
12-27-2010, 11:32 AM
we can only really know how each will be viewed after time.

2 years out, Jackson's brief post death resurgence is well over

and 33 years later, Elvis is still outselling living artists - and without marking support no less - he's not dominating the culture, but he looms large in the background hum.

so many movies and tv shows reference him to be a variety of meaning - a rebel, a parody, an innovator, a dupe - and that's why Elvis will never be forgotten - he has transcended his own career and stands as a symbol for almost any lesson or personal meaning you need

KPM
12-27-2010, 01:59 PM
When one talks of Box Office Revenue one has to take into account the passage of time and the value of the dollar. Actually on another website a fan has worked out that 'This Is Elvis' has outsold 'This Is It' by a considerable margin.

The same is now being touted for the film 'Avatar' as being the most successful film of all-time. Again, it is not. There are many factors to be taken into consideration other than 'current' dollar gross. I suspect 'Gone With The Wind' is still No.1 by far.

Brian
Good point-inflation and world population and developement all have to be taken into account when comparing box office sales figures.
All I know is that in 1981 gasolene cost about $1.25 a gallon and tickets to a movie were about $1.50 on the early show-compare that to 2010 gas and theater ticket prices......the US Population in 1981 was around 220 million today its 309 million..... world wide population and cultural developement have grown even more quickly.
More of an audience with more ways and venues to see films......

TCE
12-27-2010, 04:47 PM
Sorry if I sounded hatefull or something else. That was not my intention. I just said how I felt, but it was not the intention to harm anyone. My post was wrong and sleapless dreamer your post is so right: Everybody has his own idol and is entitled to that. So it's better to concentrate on the thread.


Christel (TCE)

monk37
12-28-2010, 11:56 AM
It's funny - comparing $ or units sold - decade to decade is tricky.

Money in earlier decades had more buying power and incomes were smaller - but there were fewer diversions - so in a way, bums in theatre seats now is more impressive than in the 1930's

I am fairly sure that I read an article that adjusted for inflation, there's no movie from the last 20 or so years that would be in the top 10 grossing films of all times.


Plus, the Hanna Montana concert movie made more money on it's opening weekend than This is It - so maybe that's the more important comparison.

younger kids have more buying power than they have before - tweens are the new teenagers

Raised on Rock
12-29-2010, 05:35 PM
Its no big deal really, its better than good if we let rest a bit that king obsession with Elvis, he didn't liked that anyway, and great art does not need those kind of fascist propaganda to be perpetuated, its own true royalty will shine on, history will prove it.

Small people need big names, Elvis hated to be called the king, we fans should be at Elvis level.

Wendy56
01-02-2011, 02:20 PM
I ratter hear "The Bullfighter was a Lady" then MJ's "Bad" or "Beat it"...
I loved Fun In Acapulco soundtrack... ¬¬
And BAD is my favorite MJ song... So I LOVE both.
I can't critizice Michel or Elvis... Though I can go against Sonny. Ha! That enterprise reminds me too much of Col. Parker. (n)

KPM
01-02-2011, 04:29 PM
Sony is a business and unfortunately the bottom line is always profit-artistry, fairness, etc will always come second behind profit and loss figures potential.
Its a fine line to tread in not offending one group while trying to entice another-such as Elvis fans/MJ fans.
There should really be no competition in the arts-but in one way or another everything ends up being compared and measured by similar things.
I would not worry too much about what Sony says about MJ and Elvis-they are trying to tread the line between them.... are bound to cross back and forth depending on where they think the more profit lies.