Has anyone read Alanna Nash's new Elvis book

[Brian]

Has anyone read her book yet?

[paultish]

I have just finished it . Like her earlier books on Elvis and the Colonel I found this book well written and researched , I really liked the first part of the book about the young Elvis and found she details how this period of his life set the pattern for his behavier in the future . It can be a bit reapetitive as you read certain chapters but that is just because thats how he lived his life and approached the ladies he met . It covers his relationship with his mother in great detail as you would expect and how her loss effected the rest of his life.To be honest I found the end part of the book captures the despair in his last few years in a way that makes it quite destressing and impossable not to feel for that little boy from the beginning of the book now trapped and isolated who is desperatly trying to find the one thing his personality will always stop him from attaining . I would recommend this book to any fan as it gives a thoughtful and reflective view of Elvis' life and forms an important part of understanding who he was .

[May]

I have ordered my copy.

[debtdbruno]

I'm a 1/3 of the way through it..............looking good upto now

[Donut]

I'm currently reading it, Brian and it's exactly as we expected.

[KPM]

I'll wait for it to come to the local library.

[Brian]

I'm currently reading it, Brian and it's exactly as we expected.

Is it really as controversial as others were saying with the Sheila Ryan chapter stuff?

If so do the other women interviewed for the book go down the same road as Sheila?

I'm guessing the stuff Sheila Ryan is saying isn't really that controversial.

[monk37]

I just got it today for my birthday, but it's 5 Elvis books back in list - I got a lot of Elvis books for xmas

[Donut]

Is it really as controversial as others were saying with the Sheila Ryan chapter stuff?

If so do the other women interviewed for the book go down the same road as Sheila?

I'm guessing the stuff Sheila Ryan is saying isn't really that controversial.

I have not got to that part yet and I have not find anything controversial so far. I'll tell you when I finish it. I was referring to all that stuff about Elvis' psychological traumas we were talking about a few days back.

Are you going to read it?

[May]

I'm a 1/3 of the way through it..............looking good upto now

Can't wait to get it!!
Currently reading the Marilyn Monroe biography by the Taborrelli guy. Can't remember his whole name! :blush: It's really good actually.

[Diane]

I haven't gotten around to getting this book yet but I sure plan on it.:D

Diane

[debtdbruno]

I think most things we already know..........interesting to get more of an explaination of where various women fit into his life.

Speculation about his 'habits' (shall we call them)...........who knows!!!!!

[Brian]

I have not got to that part yet and I have not find anything controversial so far. I'll tell you when I finish it. I was referring to all that stuff about Elvis' psychological traumas we were talking about a few days back.

Are you going to read it?

I knew all that psychological traumas we expected would be in the book that's such B.S. Alanna Nash doesn't get it.

I was curious as to the chapter about Sheila Ryan because a lot of fans are saying it's really controversial and Alanna Nash is really sleazy to include that.

No, I don't plan on getting the book Peter Whitmer's involvement turned me off, but was wondering if other fans are liking it or not.

[presley31]

I have read enough books so l will just have to read what the others fans are saying.

[KPM]

I knew all that psychological traumas we expected would be in the book that's such B.S. Alanna Nash doesn't get it.

I was curious as to the chapter about Sheila Ryan because a lot of fans are saying it's really controversial and Alanna Nash is really sleazy to include that.

No, I don't plan on getting the book Peter Whitmer's involvement turned me off, but was wondering if other fans are liking it or not.

Psychological traumas-do happen, they do exist, they do help shape practically every individual-some in major ways, some just in minor ways-but do not kid yourself that it is all BS.
If you are an individual who has had few real traumas as a child or young person-then it has little meaning because you were not affected in such a way-that does not mean it does not exist or is BS.
When someone has relationship problems, personality quirks, phobias they had to start somewhere.

[Brian]

Psychological traumas-do happen, they do exist, they do help shape practically every individual-some in major ways, some just in minor ways-but do not kid yourself that it is all BS.
If you are an individual who has had few real traumas as a child or young person-then it has little meaning because you were not affected in such a way-that does not mean it does not exist or is BS.
When someone has relationship problems, personality quirks, phobias they had to start somewhere.

As I said Peter Whitmer never met or treated Elvis as a patient neither did Alanna Nash.
Peter Whitmer is also basing his psychological analysis on second and third hand information which may or may not be correct and other people's opinions about how Elvis felt about a certain situation.
I know people can have psychological traumas but Peter Whitmer's opinions about how Elvis was or why his relationships all failed sounds off base to me.

[KPM]

As I said Peter Whitmer never met or treated Elvis as a patient neither did Alanna Nash.
Peter Whitmer is also basing his psychological analysis on second and third hand information which may or may not be correct and other people's opinions about how Elvis felt about a certain situation.
I know people can have psychological traumas but Peter Whitmer's opinions about how Elvis was or why his relationships all failed sounds off base to me.
It may be off base it is opinion based on the stories of others (since Elvis is not here and never had therapy thats all thats left)-but the fact remains Elvis had a problem in relationships, he had some quirks about women, he did have issues-they had to come from somewhere and by some reason-exploring that is not a crime..............

[presley31]

Psychological traumas-do happen, they do exist, they do help shape practically every individual-some in major ways, some just in minor ways-but do not kid yourself that it is all BS.
If you are an individual who has had few real traumas as a child or young person-then it has little meaning because you were not affected in such a way-that does not mean it does not exist or is BS.
When someone has relationship problems, personality quirks, phobias they had to start somewhere.

agreed and well said (y)(y)(y)(y)

[Brian]

It may be off base it is opinion based on the stories of others (since Elvis is not here and never had therapy thats all thats left)-but the fact remains Elvis had a problem in relationships, he had some quirks about women, he did have issues-they had to come from somewhere and by some reason-exploring that is not a crime..............

it's not a crime and Alanna Nash can quote him if she wants.

I think the Elvis' relationships didn't work out simply because he didn't want them to.
A lot of men like the bachelor lifestyle and are not in a hurry to settle down and Elvis was one of these people.
Anita Wood wanted to get married and have a family but Elvis wasn't ready so Anita went and married someone who was.

A lot of Elvis' relationships with women were short term he wasn't looking to get married just have a good time so that eliminates all of them
Connie Stevens, Anne Helm and countless others.

Ann Margret was in showbiz Elvis didn't want that and he wasn't ready to settle down at that time either and also he was involved with Priscilla.

He did marry Priscilla but a lot of people have said he didn't really want to and he certainly didn't work at the marriage to make it succeed.

Linda Thompson came into Elvis' life when he was going through a divorce so he probably wasn't in a hurry to get married again so soon.
Also Elvis had drugs and other personal problems along with him not being ready to settle down with one woman.


I think that's all their is to it.

Peter Whitmer will say something like the personal trauma of Elvis' twin brothers death and Gladys death caused him emotional trauma that cause him not to be able to have a long lasting relationship with a women. B.S.

I bet if Gladys lived Elvis still would've lived the bachelor lifestyle then got married once and divorce just like he did.

[KPM]

it's not a crime and Alanna Nash can quote him if she wants.

I think the Elvis' relationships didn't work out simply because he didn't want them to.
A lot of men like the bachelor lifestyle and are not in a hurry to settle down and Elvis was one of these people.
Anita Wood wanted to get married and have a family but Elvis wasn't ready so Anita went and married someone who was.

A lot of Elvis' relationships with women were short term he wasn't looking to get married just have a good time so that eliminates all of them
Connie Stevens, Anne Helm and countless others.

Ann Margret was in showbiz Elvis didn't want that and he wasn't ready to settle down at that time either and also he was involved with Priscilla.

He did marry Priscilla but a lot of people have said he didn't really want to and he certainly didn't work at the marriage to make it succeed.

Linda Thompson came into Elvis' life when he was going through a divorce so he probably wasn't in a hurry to get married again so soon.
Also Elvis had drugs and other personal problems along with him not being ready to settle down with one woman.


I think that's all their is to it.

Peter Whitmer will say something like the personal trauma of Elvis' twin brothers death and Gladys death caused him emotional trauma that cause him not to be able to have a long lasting relationship with a women. B.S.

I bet if Gladys lived Elvis still would've lived the bachelor lifestyle then got married once and divorce just like he did.
Thats the simple answer-it just happened thats how it was.
I have found that life is almost never as simple as "it just happened"
If that was the case no further looking or questions-green mold on cheese would have never become penicillin, light bulbs would have never been invented and man would still be in caves...........
I do not know why Elvis could not sleep easily since he was a child, nor why he disliked being alone needed/people around, why he was comfortable with younger women and avoided women his own age, why he lacked confidence in his decisions, why he felt there was a pill for everything under the sun which ailed you, but none of that sounds simple to me.

[Brian]

Thats the simple answer-it just happened thats how it was.
I have found that life is almost never as simple as "it just happened"
If that was the case no further looking or questions-green mold on cheese would have never become penicillin, light bulbs would have never been invented and man would still be in caves...........
I do not know why Elvis could not sleep easily since he was a child, nor why he disliked being alone needed/people around, why he was comfortable with younger women and avoided women his own age, why he lacked confidence in his decisions, why he felt there was a pill for everything under the sun which ailed you, but none of that sounds simple to me.

I think it was that simple when it comes to women.

As for all the other things that's more complicated but Peter Whitmer sure doesn't know.

I think he couldn't sleep because he had lifelong insomnia which is hard to conquer.

[Junebug]

I have read Nash's book.

I can understand why some don't like the 'controversial' information in the Sheila Ryan chapter. I actually laughed outloud when I read it though. Not because I found it humorous or offensive but because I thought it - the inclusion of the details - was rather stupid. I can't say it added anything other than a bit of sensationalism.............maybe. IMO, Nash threw another bone to those who like this sort of thing. For me, I found this to be transparent and the type of writing/research her fact-checker has used.

Bottom line: There are some people who want to know these types of details about Elvis and so it was handed over to that audience.

IMO, if anybody took a hit from this 'revelation', it was Nash & Ryan.

Elvis is doing just fine.


Briefly, as a whole, the book could be interesting in some parts - the ones with information not already publicly discussed - and 'cut & paste' in others. At times it seemed as if 'pages' were lifted directly from previous popular publications on this topic and you were just re-reading.

And I might add, I have difficulty with some of Nash's opinions/conclusions from her recent work - the book and interviews. To me, they don't always seem to add up.

My Grade: C

I look forward to reading other's opinions and discussing in more detail!!!


:king:

[KPM]

I think it was that simple when it comes to women.As for all the other things that's more complicated but Peter Whitmer sure doesn't know.

I think he couldn't sleep because he had lifelong insomnia which is hard to conquer.
Lifelong insomnia is a symtom-not a disease-some subconscious problem (often rooted in childhood trauma) or a physical problem like apnea or hormone imbalance. So you are correct but in being correct you support what I was saying.
Insomnia is a symptom which can accompany several sleep, medical and psychiatric disorders, characterized by persistent difficulty falling asleep and/or staying asleep despite the opportunity.

[Junebug]

Often times insomnia and depression are found to be linked.


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[Brian]

Lifelong insomnia is a symtom-not a disease-some subconscious problem (often rooted in childhood trauma) or a physical problem like apnea or hormone imbalance. So you are correct but in being correct you support what I was saying.
Insomnia is a symptom which can accompany several sleep, medical and psychiatric disorders, characterized by persistent difficulty falling asleep and/or staying asleep despite the opportunity.


Whatever the cause he had it and that's why he had trouble sleeping.

maybe he discussed this with Dr.Nick

[Brian]

Briefly, as a whole, the book could be interesting in some parts - the ones with information not already publicly discussed - and 'cut & paste' in others. At times it seemed as if 'pages' were lifted directly from previous popular publications on this topic and you were just re-reading.

And I might add, I have difficulty with some of Nash's opinions/conclusions from her recent work - the book and interviews. To me, they don't always seem to add up.


That's because Alanna Nash did lift information from other books and put it into her book.

[KPM]

Whatever the cause he had it and that's why he had trouble sleeping.

maybe he discussed this with Dr.Nick
Insomnia "is" trouble with sleeping-it is a symptom of some other malady organic or mental. It is not a disease unto itself-and since we know Elvis was never treated for brain hormonal imbalance or some physical reason which caused insomnia (such as apnea) then the symptom would have logically been a product of some subconscious problem.
So insomnia is not the answer to why he had trouble sleeping is is merely a description of a symptom from some other source.

[Brian]

Insomnia "is" trouble with sleeping-it is a symptom of some other malady organic or mental. It is not a disease unto itself-and since we know Elvis was never treated for brain hormonal imbalance or some physical reason which caused insomnia (such as apnea) then the symptom would have logically been a product of some subconscious problem.
So insomnia is not the answer to why he had trouble sleeping is is merely a description of a symptom from some other source.

I didn't say it was a disease

[KPM]

That's because Alanna Nash did lift information from other books and put it into her book.
All well researched books get info from a variety of sources, and her books are meticulously researched and the bibliography gives all sources for her info, all her firsthand interviews, all info from newspaper reports, National Archives for public records (such as Parkers 1933 Army discharge papers and psychological review in her book on the Col.) and other books which have information she uses. Any book on someone like Elvis is bound to have similar information because the sources and interviews are likely to repeat themselves telling the same stories, but her books also have a variety of new interviews from people not used elsewhere.
I think she and Guralnick outdo themselves with the time they put into research and digging for unknown items. You may not agree with their end conclusions-but you can not fault their research.

[KPM]

I didn't say it was a disease
If I misunderstood your comment:
"I think he couldn't sleep because he had lifelong insomnia which is hard to conquer." I apologise.
From this statement I gathered you thought that insomnia was in itself a reason for not being able to sleep-it is a description of not being able to sleep-the cause of which is unknown. You can not conquer insomnia-you have to conquer what causes the insomnia.

[Junebug]

All well researched books get info from a variety of sources, and her books are meticulously researched and the bibliography gives all sources for her info, all her firsthand interviews, all info from newspaper reports, National Archives for public records (such as Parkers 1933 Army discharge papers and psychological review in her book on the Col.) and other books which have information she uses. Any book on someone like Elvis is bound to have similar information because the sources and interviews are likely to repeat themselves telling the same stories, but her books also have a variety of new interviews from people not used elsewhere.
I think she and Guralnick outdo themselves with the time they put into research and digging for unknown items. You may not agree with their end conclusions-but you can not fault their research.

No, that is not the point I was making.

And I am not talking about her other books.

I am aware of research, the discovery process, and sourcing information.

When I used the term 'cut & paste' I meant that literally. It was not just the same information but very close to the exact source words used to relay the information. Guralnick used many previous Elvis books as sources of information but he took the information and relayed these same stories in 'his' words - not those of the prior author. Being familar with the other popular books on this topic, it was deja vu, as if I was re-reading 'that' book - not Nash's. It happened often enough that I actually looked at Nash's bibliography and cross-checked with the source book. As a result, my view on this did not change. It then became even more humorous to me in that I began to discover instances where I feel quotes were taken out of context, only partially quoted or inserted into a different event. I even looked up specific people in the Index and turned to those pages. I found inaccuracies in the Index --- and even re-checked myself thinking I had overlooked something. To date I have not experienced any of this with Guralnick's books.

Yes, you are correct, her book does have a bibliography listing sources.

And so does Fin$tad's........


Again, it will be interesting to discuss the various opinions from others who have read the book.


:king:

[Elizasong]

I agree with Junebug. I'm half way through reading this book. Yes I see the "cut and paste" instances that Junebug refers to having read other books that Alannah references. I've read Alannah's previous books and I tend to think she puts a bit of a sensationalistic spin on her stories.

I would not compare her with Guralnick. In my opinion I think Guralnick is a much more qualified writer then she is.

[Donut]

I'm finding her determination to find a link between Elvis girlfriends and his dead twin brother or Gladys tiresome. In my opinion her theories and conclusions don't make much sense and are really hard to believe.

[KPM]

No, that is not the point I was making.

And I am not talking about her other books.

I am aware of research, the discovery process, and sourcing information.

When I used the term 'cut & paste' I meant that literally. It was not just the same information but very close to the exact source words used to relay the information. Guralnick used many previous Elvis books as sources of information but he took the information and relayed these same stories in 'his' words - not those of the prior author. Being familar with the other popular books on this topic, it was deja vu, as if I was re-reading 'that' book - not Nash's. It happened often enough that I actually looked at Nash's bibliography and cross-checked with the source book. As a result, my view on this did not change. It then became even more humorous to me in that I began to discover instances where I feel quotes were taken out of context, only partially quoted or inserted into a different event. I even looked up specific people in the Index and turned to those pages. I found inaccuracies in the Index --- and even re-checked myself thinking I had overlooked something. To date I have not experienced any of this with Guralnick's books.

Yes, you are correct, her book does have a bibliography listing sources.

And so does Fin$tad's........


Again, it will be interesting to discuss the various opinions from others who have read the book.


:king:
Well as long as she sources the book and gives credit where due-interviews, books, papers, archives etc... it does not bother me in the least that she used the exact same words-or if she changes them to say the same thing-but with her words. If you take something from another book and give it as the source-IMO you should use it "verbatim" because if you change it the info may take on a different meaning that the original author you quote did not mean.....but thats just my opinion.
I know I do not like someone quoting what I say or write incorrectly-so thats just me.

[KPM]

I'm finding her determination to find a link between Elvis girlfriends and his dead twin brother or Gladys tiresome. In my opinion her theories and conclusions don't make much sense and are really hard to believe.
Well just perhaps (devils advocate) her theories and conclusions after countless hours of interviews, and digging for literally about 20 years into the life of Elvis (which has to produce useful information about his life) gave her these conclusions and ......she totally believes them.
I do not think from reading her other books that she begins with her conclusions-they come from her research.
Granted that does not make them fact (and I have said this all along) but it does give an opinion that is not totally out of left field she bases it on things she has been told over the course of time-could all these people be lying or just making up speculation-sure-but out 100s interviewed over the course of 20 years, its doubtful. Her conclusions from those peoples stories are not gospel-but have some basis in the information she acquired. But I say again it is just her opinion. I take it like that.
Every book on Elvis I have ever read I take with a grain of salt-no matter who the author is.
I've got books which have absolutly no bibliography at all, and very few references-but they claim to tell the inside story, inside truth.
Many things have come from her books which were unknown and are gospel-such as Parkers serving in the Army, his discharge in 1933 after a nervous breakdown and his psychological review which showed he was unstable and had many many problems mentally.....long before he was anyones manager so the Army shrinks had no celebrity status interfering with their diagnosis-just a serviceman with problems. That was substantial info-goes along way in telling us who Parker was. But without her continual research that would have never come to light.
I understand your questions, and not agreeing with her conclusions, but she does have a wealth of information from literally people from all eras of Elvis's life.

[Donut]

Well just perhaps (devils advocate) her theories and conclusions after countless hours of interviews, and digging for literally about 20 years into the life of Elvis (which has to produce useful information about his life) gave her these conclusions and ......she totally believes them.


I don't know if she really believes them but to me they seem completely far-fetched. She must have tried really hard to make a connection between some of the things she's wrote. Judging what I've read so far, it's like she has clung on to two Elvis "myths" (he was obsessed with his twin brother and his eternal search for a woman like his mother) and tried to make all his relationships fit with her theory.

[KPM]

I don't know if she really believes them but to me they seem completely far-fetched. She must have tried really hard to make a connection between some of the things she's wrote. Judging what I've read so far, it's like she has clung on to two Elvis "myths" (he was obsessed with his twin brother and his eternal search for a woman like his mother) and tried to make all his relationships fit with her theory.
Well the obvious answer is that all myths of any kind usually have some basis in some fact-perhaps not as you see it or not in the way that Nash sees it-but usually something spurs the myth which has some relationship to the facts.
I really have no clue as to all the quirks Elvis seemed to have with women, some are sensationilistic others more tame but he did seem to have them
whether you talk to the MM or someone like Billy Smith.
The total truth will never be known (for any of his life not just women) but people will never stop trying to figure it out (including us fans who do this quite a bit;) So this book is no different-IMO. Grain of salt.

[Brian]

I don't know if she really believes them but to me they seem completely far-fetched. She must have tried really hard to make a connection between some of the things she's wrote. Judging what I've read so far, it's like she has clung on to two Elvis "myths" (he was obsessed with his twin brother and his eternal search for a woman like his mother) and tried to make all his relationships fit with her theory.

I don't know if it's true Elvis was searching for a woman exactly like his mother.
I think he wanted a woman that would do whatever ever he said or wanted them to do, but not be like his mother was.
As for the twin brother thing that's just B.S.
After the Kurt Russell movie came out depicting Elvis being obsessed and talking about his dead twin brother several people said that that was inaccurate that Elvis didn't really speak of his twin brother but ever since then it's been referenced in several books and movies that Elvis was obsessed with his twin brother.
Yet Alanna Nash and Peter Whitmer continue putting it out there.
To me that gets annoying.

That's just poor research

[Donut]

I don't know if it's true Elvis was searching for a woman exactly like his mother.
I think he wanted a woman that would do whatever ever he said or wanted them to do, but not be like his mother was.

(y) Exactly. By all accounts Gladys was a woman of character but Elvis only wanted to be with submissive women.

[Junebug]

(y) Exactly. By all accounts Gladys was a woman of character but Elvis only wanted to be with submissive women.


I'm not understanding this comment.

To me, character and submissiveness are not related.


The theory that Elvis was drawn to a female like his mother is not exclusive to his life. This is held for the male population in general and vice versa for females and their fathers. It is said to be a subconscious attraction to replicate the parental relationship - both the good & bad.


:king:

[Brian]

I'm not understanding this comment.

To me, character and submissiveness are not related.



:king:

That was Donut's point

[Lisarose]

I certainly do appreciate the comments posted here. Thanks everyone.

[Junebug]

That was Donut's point


:)

;)

(y)



:king:

[Donut]

I'm not understanding this comment.

To me, character and submissiveness are not related.


The theory that Elvis was drawn to a female like his mother is not exclusive to his life. This is held for the male population in general and vice versa for females and their fathers. It is said to be a subconscious attraction to replicate the parental relationship - both the good & bad.


:king:

What I meant is the women he chose along his life had an opposite character to that of his mother.

About the theory about feeling drawn to someone like your mother/father to me it's only related to our need of being cared for and feel protected like we were in our childhood. The book takes that farther... ie the part about Billie Wardlaw.

[Diane]

What I meant is the women he chose along his life had an opposite character to that of his mother.

About the theory about feeling drawn to someone like your mother/father to me it's only related to our need of being cared for and feel protected like we were in our childhood. The book takes that farther... ie the part about Billie Wardlaw.

Maybe Elvis chose women that were directly opposite of his mother was because she was a good mother and loved him very much but was also very controlling and he wanted the control in his relationships for a change....???

Diane

[Donut]

Maybe Elvis chose women that were directly opposite of his mother was because she was a good mother and loved him very much but was also very controlling and he wanted the control in his relationships for a change....???

Diane

Could be, Diane...
I try to keep in mind that all this happened many years ago and things were much different then.

[Diane]

Could be, Diane...
I try to keep in mind that all this happened many years ago and things were much different then.

Yes that's true, some things changed for the better and some things didn't....

Diane

[Sweet_One_E.]

I beg to differ some about this idea of Gladys, she was strong I believe, but she catered to both Elvis and Vernon for the most part. She put up with things that many women would not and was devoted (and ticked off at times) at both of them. I think she was self-sacrificial in many ways too. Is that not what Elvis wanted???

[May]

Could be, Diane...
I try to keep in mind that all this happened many years ago and things were much different then.

I agree. It's hard to give opinions on things that happened 30, 40 years ago because everything was so different.

Remember when you could climb trees and play hopscotch without a Health & Safety Executive coming round telling you off (n):no:

[Sweet_One_E.]

Oh and di the book go into his relationship with Vernon and it's effect on his love life. I've never understood how Elvis seemed to replicate how Vernon treated women, when that he knew hurt his dear mother?? Unless he just thought that was the way relationships were??

[May]

I beg to differ some about this idea of Gladys, she was strong I believe, but she catered to both Elvis and Vernon for the most part. She put up with things that many women would not and was devoted (and ticked off at times) at both of them. ???

Yes, Gladys seemed a very strong type of woman. But as we were saying about the "old days". She put up with things all women (IMO) had to put up with. What else was she to do?

I remember speaking to a family member (aged about 70) about her gran (yes, going back lots more years, but.....) and she was telling me how her husband treated her. I said why on earth did she put up with it and she said there were no womens refuges in those days. No way could she have moved out and lived on her own with children. I mean, a lot of people weren't even that well educated (couldn't read or write) and had no hope in getting a job where they could support themselves.
:supriced:

[Donut]

Remember when you could climb trees and play hopscotch without a Health & Safety Executive coming round telling you off (n):no:

:lmfao: I'm discovering a new May today.

[Donut]

I beg to differ some about this idea of Gladys, she was strong I believe, but she catered to both Elvis and Vernon for the most part. She put up with things that many women would not and was devoted (and ticked off at times) at both of them. I think she was self-sacrificial in many ways too. Is that not what Elvis wanted???

Sure, I can see what you mean, but like May says that's the way 99% of mothers and wives were back then and the way men expected their future wives to be.

[Teddy]

I find it extraordinary that as recently as the 20th Century, women were expected to break wind for the amusement of their husbands in supposedly civilized countries.

[May]

Trust you Teddy:closedeye:closedeye

[May]

:lmfao: I'm discovering a new May today.

:lol: Oh yes, I'm like an onion.

Many many layers!!

[Donut]

I find it extraordinary that as recently as the 20th Century, women were expected to break wind for the amusement of their husbands in supposedly civilized countries.

Men are so easy to please...

[debtdbruno]

Oh and di the book go into his relationship with Vernon and it's effect on his love life. I've never understood how Elvis seemed to replicate how Vernon treated women, when that he knew hurt his dear mother?? Unless he just thought that was the way relationships were??

He was brought up with a family of womanisers............why would he expect to behave any different????........plus he was 'Elvis'.....

[Diane]

I agree. It's hard to give opinions on things that happened 30, 40 years ago because everything was so different.

Remember when you could climb trees and play hopscotch without a Health & Safety Executive coming round telling you off (n):no:

Yes that and so many many other things.

Diane

[Diane]

He was brought up with a family of womanisers............why would he expect to behave any different????........plus he was 'Elvis'.....

That was true but like SweetOne said, you would think he would have remembered how much that hurt his mother whom he loved so much. I guess he didn't think the same of his women. Maybe too in comparison, the women he had didn't have the same values and principals she did....as we mentioned, it was a different time.

Diane

[Diane]

He was brought up with a family of womanisers............why would he expect to behave any different????........plus he was 'Elvis'.....

That was true but like SweetOne said, you would think he would have remembered how much that hurt his mother whom he loved so much. I guess he didn't think the same of his women. Maybe too in comparison, the women he had didn't have the same values and principals she did....as we mentioned, it was a different time so he didn't have the same respect for them?

Diane

[debtdbruno]

It's the typical double standard...............

Plus, Men can separate sex from love...........

[May]

Yep!!!!!!!!!

[Diane]

It's the typical double standard...............

Plus, Men can separate sex from love...........

True but there are quite a few women nowadays that can do the same....and I sure remember some in the "good old days" as well but they weren't thought of very well and certainly not accepted like they are now.


Diane

[debtdbruno]

agree Diane...........but I think those women are the exception, not the rule.

For most women it's an emotional 'act'.........completely different from how Men can separate it.
This is how I can understand Cilla's state of mind. Elvis cheated on her constantly, but went home to the woman he loved...........it was nothing to him. To her, it was everything

[KPM]

I don't know if it's true Elvis was searching for a woman exactly like his mother.
I think he wanted a woman that would do whatever ever he said or wanted them to do, but not be like his mother was.
As for the twin brother thing that's just B.S.
After the Kurt Russell movie came out depicting Elvis being obsessed and talking about his dead twin brother several people said that that was inaccurate that Elvis didn't really speak of his twin brother but ever since then it's been referenced in several books and movies that Elvis was obsessed with his twin brother.
Yet Alanna Nash and Peter Whitmer continue putting it out there.
To me that gets annoying.

That's just poor research
Well perhaps as played in the Kurt Russell movie it was pretty far fetched that he constantly talked to his shadow on the wall....on this you and I agree....
but then you make the leap that his being a "surviving twin" had little meaning to him and that he never asked "Why Me?"
Yet we know he constantly was asking "WHY ME" when it came to the worldwide success, fame, fortune, etc.....he was looking all his life for the answer to that question-"WHY ME" He was searching in the books and religions he studied for the answer to that question.................Yet isn't being a surviving twin part of that question?
His twin could have had the worldwide success in theory, but if his twin had lived, he would have not been the same person who walked into Sun Records, he would have been altered by the fact that he was not an only child, the affection he got from MOM would have been shared, and he would have shared his childhood with a brother, he would have fought many battles with a brother by his side................do you honestly think he never gave these things thought???
He had to at one time or another think I would not be who I am today-if Jessie had lived and that fact must have occasionally preyed upon his mind on those many times he wondered "WHY ME"?

You see it as a narrow path-with no connection to Elvis.... I see it as a wide road on the one question Elvis never quit asking-WHY ME............so in my opinion her research was good-it did not ignore the connection of WHY MY and Jessie.

[KPM]

(y) Exactly. By all accounts Gladys was a woman of character but Elvis only wanted to be with submissive women.
Yes she was-but in her relationship with Elvis-by all accounts she would move heaven and earth to try and grant his wishes or wants.
She catered to him, babied him, waited on him, worried incessently about him-not Vernon, nor anyone else in her life.
So that is a form of submission-by trying to fulfill all he wanted as his mother-and Elvis had to like this and he wanted it in woman around him.
I'm not saying its a right way to think-but I can see where Elvis got the idea of a woman devoting herself to his whims.

[debtdbruno]

taking the 'twin' aspect out of the equation.............don't you think all Celebrities may also ask the question, 'Why Me?'............

Be it, top Footballers, Actors etc...all 'superstars' in their own field.
Surely Elvis is no different to other celebs?

[Brian]

Well perhaps as played in the Kurt Russell movie it was pretty far fetched that he constantly talked to his shadow on the wall....on this you and I agree....


that's my point

Alanna Nash is playing it up like Elvis grieved for his twin brother and missed him and constantly thought about him and that's why none of his relationships with women worked out and it caused other problems in his life.
According to her it's probaby why he died prematurely at 42.

[Diane]

that's my point

Alanna Nash is playing it up like Elvis grieved for his twin brother and missed him and constantly thought about him and that's why none of his relationships with women worked out and it caused other problems in his life.
According to her it's probaby why he died prematurely at 42.


I can't agree with this either. Sure some of his emotional problems came from his upbringing but it was his lifestyle that killed him, a good part his own fault for the choices he made and his "enablers".

Diane

[Donut]

Yes she was-but in her relationship with Elvis-by all accounts she would move heaven and earth to try and grant his wishes or wants.
She catered to him, babied him, waited on him, worried incessently about him-not Vernon, nor anyone else in her life.
So that is a form of submission-by trying to fulfill all he wanted as his mother-and Elvis had to like this and he wanted it in woman around him.
I'm not saying its a right way to think-but I can see where Elvis got the idea of a woman devoting herself to his whims.

Yes, that's true. But to me that's just a need to feel protected, not an obsession with his mother and brother like this book suggests.
I don't know if it's right to copy and paste some of the things written in the book, so I'll wait untill you get to read it. But as I've been trying to tell you, they have tried too hard to make a connection between his mother/brother and his girlfriends, to the point that many of their conclusions sound ridiculous... she even compares one of his early relationships with a covert incest. How did she come to that conclusion it's a mistery to me, since there doesn't seem to be any basis for that. She could have made a lot of research for her book but playing to know Elvis' psyche has been a huge mistake on her part in my opinion.

[Diane]

Thats the simple answer-it just happened thats how it was.
I have found that life is almost never as simple as "it just happened"
If that was the case no further looking or questions-green mold on cheese would have never become penicillin, light bulbs would have never been invented and man would still be in caves...........
I do not know why Elvis could not sleep easily since he was a child, nor why he disliked being alone needed/people around, why he was comfortable with younger women and avoided women his own age, why he lacked confidence in his decisions, why he felt there was a pill for everything under the sun which ailed you, but none of that sounds simple to me.

I wonder if he was uncomfortable with women his own age because of his mother being an older woman and that might have felt like incest or just too much "mother" to him. He did have a lot of quirks...

Diane

[debtdbruno]

to some extent you can see how he could be uncomfortable with the sex symbol tag, women expecting 'the earth to move'.......hard to live up to that image

So, maybe he did feel more comfortable with more inexperiencd girls, who hadn't 'been round the block' and didn't have any knowledge of what makes a great lover.........

[Diane]

to some extent you can see how he could be uncomfortable with the sex symbol tag, women expecting 'the earth to move'.......hard to live up to that image

So, maybe he did feel more comfortable with more inexperiencd girls, who hadn't 'been round the block' and didn't have any knowledge of what makes a great lover.........

That's a good point too.(y)

Diane

[Teddy]

Plus, Men can separate sex from love...........

Beyond that, bringing the two together just seems perverted! :supriced:

The main differences between Elvis Presley and every other man who ever lived, in this respect, were:

1. The scrutiny he received in this department.
2. He could get away with it, and ...
3. He was very honest about it. But mainly because he could get away with it!

[debtdbruno]

Beyond that, bringing the two together just seems perverted! :supriced:

The main differences between Elvis Presley and every other man who ever lived, in this respect, were:

1. The scrutiny he received in this department.
2. He could get away with it, and ...
3. He was very honest about it. But mainly because he could get away with it!

well put Teddy:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[KPM]

taking the 'twin' aspect out of the equation.............don't you think all Celebrities may also ask the question, 'Why Me?'............

Be it, top Footballers, Actors etc...all 'superstars' in their own field.
Surely Elvis is no different to other celebs?
I would have to disagree-they all may ask "Why Me" but how many of the people around Elvis say he was looking and asking this question all the time.
I have read probably 2000 biographies of singers, politicians, actors, athletes etc................none I can recall have that continual question running through out their lives. Its common knowledge Elvis searched for some satisfactory answer to that question from the early 60s on.
His reading the Prophet, and books on religions and philosophys were all a part of trying to figure out "Why Me"
So I think anyone who makes a name for themself my think "WHY ME" but not let that question push them so hard to find out the answer.

[debtdbruno]

I havn't read autobiographies on as many people as you Ken, so I don't doubt what you say.
Maybe, because Elvis was a spiritual person, this made him question 'why me?', whereas other celebs don't?

[KPM]

Yes, that's true. But to me that's just a need to feel protected, not an obsession with his mother and brother like this book suggests.
I don't know if it's right to copy and paste some of the things written in the book, so I'll wait untill you get to read it. But as I've been trying to tell you, they have tried too hard to make a connection between his mother/brother and his girlfriends, to the point that many of their conclusions sound ridiculous... she even compares one of his early relationships with a covert incest. How did she come to that conclusion it's a mistery to me, since there doesn't seem to be any basis for that. She could have made a lot of research for her book but playing to know Elvis' psyche has been a huge mistake on her part in my opinion.
Well I will have to read the book-I understand that IYO you feel the connections they make are ridiculous and stretching-but there is the possibility that they are correct, partially correct or just in the ball park so to speak.
I think IMO its obvious Elvis did have problems and was only partially able to cope with them-now why he had the problems we discuss here I have no real clue. He was a creature of habit, had an addictive/dependant personality, needed inspiration to spur him in other directions, had horrid sleep problems, had some quirks when it came to women, had some quirks when it came to authority, could be controling, had a violent hair trigger temper, was always looking for the reasons why he was a worldwide loved celebrity and probably at times felt unworthy of the adoration he constantly was showered with......these items individually are complex traits-add them all together and you have a complex contradictory personality......it all had to start somewhere thats my opinion.
Whether it was an obsession about his mother and brother or it was just part of the larger problem as a whole-I would think they had to play somewhere in the equation of his life.
I have agreed that this is just educated speculation-never said it was anything more-but it is certainly more educated by the number of intimates interviewed than my reading the book, or any of the 60 books on Elvis I have.
For every quote mentioned in a book by people interviewed I'm sure there are a dozen other quotes we are not privy to-which never make it to publication-but still is info an author has that we do not. If 100 people are quoted-thats approximatly 1200 separate bits of info which we do not have that the author may have.
Her other books have always been careful to spell out who said what and to qualify their statements as their story or opinions-if this book does not do this then its a major change in her writing style. As long as she does not print things as absolute fact which are open to question-I just have no problem with her opinions. (or any other books for that matter)

[KPM]

I wonder if he was uncomfortable with women his own age because of his mother being an older woman and that might have felt like incest or just too much "mother" to him. He did have a lot of quirks...

Diane
I actually think it was more the idea that younger women were more easily led and to control. I think it gave him confidence to feel he was the teacher, and not the student.

[debtdbruno]

Whewwwww!!!!!!

Long post Ken...........excellent points!!!!!

[KPM]

Whewwwww!!!!!!

Long post Ken...........excellent points!!!!!
I do tend to get carried away:blush: thank you.

[Diane]

I actually think it was more the idea that younger women were more easily led and to control. I think it gave him confidence to feel he was the teacher, and not the student.

Thinking it over, I think you are probably right on target. I think older women made him nervous because they would not be as easily controlled. I think Priscilla did do herself in with him when she got aggressive and demanding.

Diane

[Brian]

Thinking it over, I think you are probably right on target. I think older women made him nervous because they would not be as easily controlled. I think Priscilla did do herself in with him when she got aggressive and demanding.

Diane

i've got an idea.

How about he liked younger women because well, they were younger and he thought they were more attractive physically.
When he was a teenager and in his early to mid 20's he did date women around his own age, but as he got to be in his 30's and 40's the women that were closer to his own age were middled aged or close to it and he didn't find them as attractive.

[JDD]

I also think there is stuff to this he didn't want older women because they were often Mothers by then or had careers they weren't willing to walk away from. Once you have Kids, or Careers you aren't free to pick up and go on a whim anymore. He wanted his people, men and women to be free for his every whim, middle of the night flights to Denver for food, or to pick up and go on tour. When the guys had other things going on and couldn't go, He didn't like it. When most people get into their late 20s and 30s comes responsibilities, and less freedom.

[intheghetto]

it's not a crime and Alanna Nash can quote him if she wants.

I think the Elvis' relationships didn't work out simply because he didn't want them to.
A lot of men like the bachelor lifestyle and are not in a hurry to settle down and Elvis was one of these people.
Anita Wood wanted to get married and have a family but Elvis wasn't ready so Anita went and married someone who was.

A lot of Elvis' relationships with women were short term he wasn't looking to get married just have a good time so that eliminates all of them
Connie Stevens, Anne Helm and countless others.

Ann Margret was in showbiz Elvis didn't want that and he wasn't ready to settle down at that time either and also he was involved with Priscilla.

He did marry Priscilla but a lot of people have said he didn't really want to and he certainly didn't work at the marriage to make it succeed.

Linda Thompson came into Elvis' life when he was going through a divorce so he probably wasn't in a hurry to get married again so soon.
Also Elvis had drugs and other personal problems along with him not being ready to settle down with one woman.


I think that's all their is to it.

Peter Whitmer will say something like the personal trauma of Elvis' twin brothers death and Gladys death caused him emotional trauma that cause him not to be able to have a long lasting relationship with a women. B.S.

I bet if Gladys lived Elvis still would've lived the bachelor lifestyle then got married once and divorce just like he did.

I agree with alot of this. The nuts and bolts of Elvis' relationships are not as deep as we are sometimes told. We all know it, but Elvis could have had just about anybody he wanted, and he did. Part of the response to that is that he would've been a fool not exercise that privilege. I do think though that he was conflicted about having something stable in his life in terms of relationships, that's why he chose to get married. He wanted it both ways and in the end he couldn't have it. He reallly had no business getting married, and quite frankly neither did Priscilla. She has to be given the benefit of the doubt though because she came into the picture at such and early age. She didn't know better, her parents however should have. How she ever got them to agree to let her go be with Elvis is beyond me. The cynical part of me says that they saw dollar signs. If he was some other schlub that was the same age, it would have never have happened. I think that Elvis did love Priscilla but I don't think he was 100% about getting married. At the end of the day when Priscilla left him, he saw that his otherwise omnipotent rule over women was not all there. It was a blow to his ego. I don't see Gladys as a factor either if she had lived. If Elvis turned out to be Elvis even if she had lived, he would've done the same thing. He had unlimited access to women 24/7 and he didn't pass up the opportunity.

[Junebug]

Thinking it over, I think you are probably right on target. I think older women made him nervous because they would not be as easily controlled. I think Priscilla did do herself in with him when she got aggressive and demanding.

Diane

I look at this from another side.

Women, regardless of the age, with more emotional maturity than Elvis were not interested in a long-term relationship or anything more substantive.

Beyond a fling or brief affair, they were just not attracted to it all.

He had numerous liasons with 'younger' women and with the exception of one or two, they left him or chose not to get involved. And in general, while they had careers/jobs of their own, they could have benefited from a relationship with him. Yet, they still left.........

Yes, yes....I know many females will beg to differ and say they would never leave.......but......given time..........:supriced: :supriced: :supriced:

And IMO, the voicing of one's need in a relationship is not considered demanding or aggressive.

Okay, okay.....yeah, Mother Alden.....that may be an exception!!! :lol:



:king:

[Brian]

Has anyone besides Junebug read the entire book yet?

More reviews would be fantastic

[Donut]

i've got an idea.

How about he liked younger women because well, they were younger and he thought they were more attractive physically.
When he was a teenager and in his early to mid 20's he did date women around his own age, but as he got to be in his 30's and 40's the women that were closer to his own age were middled aged or close to it and he didn't find them as attractive.

According to Baby let's Play House, the reason is he never grew up emotionally past 14.

[Teddy]

According to Baby let's Play House, the reason is he never grew up emotionally past 14.

Yet another supposed revelation which actually applies to all males.

Again- Elvis simply exercised natural male leanings which are usually suppressed by society in other men.

[Donut]

Yet another supposed revelation which actually applies to all males.

Again- Elvis simply exercised natural male leanings which are usually suppressed by society in other men.

That was not my opinion. I don't agree at all with many of the author's "revelations".

I wouldn't mind having men in their twenties falling at my feet when I'm 40, and I got to grow up emotionally past 18.

[KPM]

i've got an idea.

How about he liked younger women because well, they were younger and he thought they were more attractive physically.
When he was a teenager and in his early to mid 20's he did date women around his own age, but as he got to be in his 30's and 40's the women that were closer to his own age were middled aged or close to it and he didn't find them as attractive.
I'm sure you mean IYO he did not find woman closer to his age as attractive-if that is the single reason Elvis did not date woman his age "looks" that would be worse to my way of thinking than if he connected them in his mind to his mother.
In defense of older woman there are always older women of 30-50 who look to be in their 20s-and even if they look their age-many older women are very attractive.
Saying things like, "what could an older woman do for me"-is male bravado IMO hiding the reason he was uncomfortable with older woman. The song "older woman make good lovers"-is true IMO so there is a lot an older woman can do that a younger woman has no clue to....
Many older woman are just as attractive as younger women, but they are also "stronger, more opinionated and more independant" are those traits Elvis might look for from what we know about him? IMO No.
He did not want a woman who would debate with him-he wanted someone to follow his lead and to listen to him-not tell him. IMO

[kathy parkinson]

I'm sure you mean IYO he did not find woman closer to his age as attractive-if that is the single reason Elvis did not date woman his age "looks" that would be worse to my way of thinking than if he connected them in his mind to his mother.
In defense of older woman there are always older women of 30-50 who look to be in their 20s-and even if they look their age-many older women are very attractive.
Saying things like, "what could an older woman do for me"-is male bravado IMO hiding the reason he was uncomfortable with older woman. The song "older woman make good lovers"-is true IMO so there is a lot an older woman can do that a younger woman has no clue to....
Many older woman are just as attractive as younger women, but they are also "stronger, more opinionated and more independant" are those traits Elvis might look for from what we know about him? IMO No.
He did not want a woman who would debate with him-he wanted someone to follow his lead and to listen to him-not tell him. IMO (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Sweet_One_E.]

wonder if he didn't want women who had many past lovers??

[debtdbruno]

i've got an idea.

How about he liked younger women because well, they were younger and he thought they were more attractive physically.
When he was a teenager and in his early to mid 20's he did date women around his own age, but as he got to be in his 30's and 40's the women that were closer to his own age were middled aged or close to it and he didn't find them as attractive.


good point Brian:hmm::hmm::lmfao::lmfao:

isn't that like a lot of Men?

[debtdbruno]

I agree with alot of this. The nuts and bolts of Elvis' relationships are not as deep as we are sometimes told. We all know it, but Elvis could have had just about anybody he wanted, and he did. Part of the response to that is that he would've been a fool not exercise that privilege. I do think though that he was conflicted about having something stable in his life in terms of relationships, that's why he chose to get married. He wanted it both ways and in the end he couldn't have it. He reallly had no business getting married, and quite frankly neither did Priscilla. She has to be given the benefit of the doubt though because she came into the picture at such and early age. She didn't know better, her parents however should have. How she ever got them to agree to let her go be with Elvis is beyond me. The cynical part of me says that they saw dollar signs. If he was some other schlub that was the same age, it would have never have happened. I think that Elvis did love Priscilla but I don't think he was 100% about getting married. At the end of the day when Priscilla left him, he saw that his otherwise omnipotent rule over women was not all there. It was a blow to his ego. I don't see Gladys as a factor either if she had lived. If Elvis turned out to be Elvis even if she had lived, he would've done the same thing. He had unlimited access to women 24/7 and he didn't pass up the opportunity.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy excellent post

[debtdbruno]

I'm 2/3 of the way through..............to me it is boring and repetative.
One long line of womens names, the same stories we've heard time and time again.

[Diane]

I also think there is stuff to this he didn't want older women because they were often Mothers by then or had careers they weren't willing to walk away from. Once you have Kids, or Careers you aren't free to pick up and go on a whim anymore. He wanted his people, men and women to be free for his every whim, middle of the night flights to Denver for food, or to pick up and go on tour. When the guys had other things going on and couldn't go, He didn't like it. When most people get into their late 20s and 30s comes responsibilities, and less freedom.

Another good point!(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[Diane]

I'm sure you mean IYO he did not find woman closer to his age as attractive-if that is the single reason Elvis did not date woman his age "looks" that would be worse to my way of thinking than if he connected them in his mind to his mother.
In defense of older woman there are always older women of 30-50 who look to be in their 20s-and even if they look their age-many older women are very attractive.
Saying things like, "what could an older woman do for me"-is male bravado IMO hiding the reason he was uncomfortable with older woman. The song "older woman make good lovers"-is true IMO so there is a lot an older woman can do that a younger woman has no clue to....
Many older woman are just as attractive as younger women, but they are also "stronger, more opinionated and more independant" are those traits Elvis might look for from what we know about him? IMO No.
He did not want a woman who would debate with him-he wanted someone to follow his lead and to listen to him-not tell him. IMO

Now this is just plain sweet!:hug:

Diane

[Donut]

I'm 2/3 of the way through..............to me it is boring and repetative.
One long line of womens names, the same stories we've heard time and time again.

I don't want to give the impression I have something against Alanna Nash :lol: but you are right, Deb. I agree with you.

[debtdbruno]

I've nothing against her............thought The Colonel book was very good

[Diane]

I enjoyed the book about the Colonel as well.

Diane

[Donut]

I liked Elvis and The Memphis Mafia a lot.....

[debtdbruno]

another good book

However, I do take it all with a pinch of salt. From whatever source it comes from

[Merry]

Yet another supposed revelation which actually applies to all males.

Again- Elvis simply exercised natural male leanings which are usually suppressed by society in other men.


Who doesn't love fun men? :D

(y)(y)(y) :wiggle:

[Brian]

I'm sure you mean IYO he did not find woman closer to his age as attractive-if that is the single reason Elvis did not date woman his age "looks" that would be worse to my way of thinking than if he connected them in his mind to his mother.
In defense of older woman there are always older women of 30-50 who look to be in their 20s-and even if they look their age-many older women are very attractive.
Saying things like, "what could an older woman do for me"-is male bravado IMO hiding the reason he was uncomfortable with older woman. The song "older woman make good lovers"-is true IMO so there is a lot an older woman can do that a younger woman has no clue to....
Many older woman are just as attractive as younger women, but they are also "stronger, more opinionated and more independant" are those traits Elvis might look for from what we know about him? IMO No.
He did not want a woman who would debate with him-he wanted someone to follow his lead and to listen to him-not tell him. IMO

I think it's a what JDD and i've said.


What's the big deal so he liked to date women around 10-15 years younger than he was which I say good for him if that made him happy.
Does everything Elvis did have to have a big deep psychological meaning.
If an older man dates a 10-20 years younger woman that's considered okay or normal but if Elvis does the same thing Peter Whitmer and Alanna Nash consider it strange or weird and it must be analyzed only they have no clue and they make all these wild assumptions.

I think the theories that we've put out there sound more plausible than Alanna Nash's and Whitmer's.

I bet some of the people on this board have spouses that are younger than they are.

[Brian]

I said in the beginning that the quality of the book would depend on who Alanna Nash was able to interview for the book or if their were any new stories from the girlfriends that we hadn't heard before.

Anything new from Anita Wood, June Junaico, Susan Henning or Barbara Leigh and Linda Thompson?

What about girlfriends that we don't hear much about like Ann Pennington?
I know Alanna Nash interviewed her for the book what did she say about Elvis?

[KPM]

I think it's a what JDD and i've said.


What's the big deal so he liked to date women around 10-15 years younger than he was which I say good for him if that made him happy.
Does everything Elvis did have to have a big deep psychological meaning.If an older man dates a 10-20 years younger woman that's considered okay or normal but if Elvis does the same thing Peter Whitmer and Alanna Nash consider it strange or weird and it must be analyzed only they have no clue and they make all these wild assumptions.

I think the theories that we've put out there sound more plausible than Alanna Nash's and Whitmer's.

I bet some of the people on this board have spouses that are younger than they are.
No of course not-but many many things do-does that mean Elvis could not be deeper and more complex than just surface shallow reasoning and simple explanations.
Once again we are always saying.....he was special, he was unique, he was one of a kind-but we say most things in his life are just simple, no big meaning nothing deeper below the surface. I happen to believe he was like most humans there were things he did, liked, disliked that did in fact have their roots somewhere in their life.
I have studied this somewhat to understand my own personality quirks and odd likes and dislikes...............I could name easily ten things which had their roots in childhood situations I had. Most everyone else has likes and dislikes, phobias.... they never worry why-they just have them.
I am not of the school of thought that, fear of heights for example, is something which someone just has for no reason out of thin air-it started somewhere. I like full figured women-why??? I dislike model thin women-why?? There are many very pretty attractive women of all body types but somewhere along the way-I decided in my mind that full figured women are more attractive and thin women are not-Why??? I have over the years tried to figure this out until I saw a picture of a birthday party for me when I was 7 and there was a very buxom teenager in one of the pictures-it was a 2nd cousin of mine who just happened to be at the party. That girl was the start of my preference-looking at the picture I realised I had a crush on her when I was 7-big deal you may say.
But thats how many likes dislikes, phobias start....and they usually do not change with time.

[KPM]

I said in the beginning that the quality of the book would depend on who Alanna Nash was able to interview for the book or if their were any new stories from the girlfriends that we hadn't heard before.

Anything new from Anita Wood, June Junaico, Susan Henning or Barbara Leigh and Linda Thompson?

What about girlfriends that we don't hear much about like Ann Pennington?
I know Alanna Nash interviewed her for the book what did she say about Elvis?
Have you read the book?
As soon as it comes in to the local librairy my daughter (she is a cataloger there) will put me on the list to get it.

[Brian]

Have you read the book?
As soon as it comes in to the local librairy my daughter (she is a cataloger there) will put me on the list to get it.

No, I haven't read it

[debtdbruno]

I think it's a what JDD and i've said.


What's the big deal so he liked to date women around 10-15 years younger than he was which I say good for him if that made him happy.
Does everything Elvis did have to have a big deep psychological meaning.
If an older man dates a 10-20 years younger woman that's considered okay or normal but if Elvis does the same thing Peter Whitmer and Alanna Nash consider it strange or weird and it must be analyzed only they have no clue and they make all these wild assumptions.

I think the theories that we've put out there sound more plausible than Alanna Nash's and Whitmer's.

I bet some of the people on this board have spouses that are younger than they are.

No different to Peter Stringfellow having a young bit of totty on his arm is it?