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lvs2day
12-17-2009, 08:56 AM
on august 16th 1977 the headlines of the local paper read a lonel life ends on E.P. boulevard, and yet over the past 30 odd years since his death we see and hear a somewhat happy man either between takes - for years we were told that the EP boulevard sessions were a disaster and that the nood was real low kwy almost marose , and yet we hear E,P. in a good mod going through take after take and laughing with the band members, and what about the loads of photos that have surfaced especially the candid ones ?, well was he truly sad and alone ?

epmoodyblue
12-17-2009, 09:16 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_6hh.gifeh you know how newsopapers tabloids are..(n) blah...lonley sometimes some sadness in his life..course dont we all have those moments..i have nothing else to add:lol:...because im sure this topic will heat up and get outta control in no time.. http://elvisnowyoulightupthesky.webs.com/PICS1/seasons.jpghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

Tommy
12-17-2009, 09:38 AM
I don't really know, only those close to Elvis can tell us that.

Unchained Melody
12-17-2009, 09:57 AM
I think he was human, and he had his days of feelin' the blues.

I refuse to believe that every second of everyday of his life, even in 1976 - 1977 he was a total despressed person all the time. I don't.

May
12-17-2009, 10:27 AM
On the documentary that came out in the eighties Priscilla said Elvis would have times of loneliness, of just feeling lonely (I remember it almost word for word, that shows how many times I saw those progammes!!) and that nothing would get him out of that mood. And that his mother was the same, and his grandmother.

But generally I think we all get lonely or depressed at one time or another. Im with you Bradley, I dont believe he was that way at the end all the time..

Hominuk
12-17-2009, 10:59 AM
I think he was human, and he had his days of feelin' the blues.

I refuse to believe that every second of everyday of his life, even in 1976 - 1977 he was a total despressed person all the time. I don't.

I agree....only Elvis and those around him know for sure....the media is horrible for filling in the blanks and "theorizing".

john carpenter
12-17-2009, 11:27 AM
Elvis was quoted as saying "I get lonsome sometimes..right in the middle of a crowd". I believe if elvis had lived and married Ginger he would have straightened his life out ..lost wieght ect, He wasn't depressed 24/7 imo:king:

debtdbruno
12-17-2009, 11:31 AM
It seemed to plague him right from the start.
Even in the 50's he said, 'I get lonely in the middle of a crowd'.............

Someone like him, learnt very early on that people wanted to be with 'Elvis', it made him distrustful unfortunately and therefore lonely, because he wasn't around the right sort of people

Unchained Melody
12-17-2009, 11:40 AM
It seemed to plague him right from the start.
Even in the 50's he said, 'I get lonely in the middle of a crowd'.............

Someone like him, learnt very early on that people wanted to be with 'Elvis', it made him distrustful unfortunately and therefore lonely, because he wasn't around the right sort of people

Right, and he thought (which he had the most right to) why were these people around him, and who were truly their cause they were his friend, not to see where or what he can get them.
It's a sad life, and he learned that I think but I also say he made the best of he could with what he was given.

debtdbruno
12-17-2009, 11:42 AM
He was in a unique position...............no body to show him the way

He had to learn first

cbg84
12-17-2009, 01:28 PM
To be honest the only person who can truly answer that is no longer around and that is Elvis himself. I know that for me and a lot of people I know they can put on a happy go lucky face for others but not feel it inside. Do I think that he was sad and lonely all the time in those last years? No, but he's human and I'm sure he was from time to time.

GIORGIA
12-17-2009, 02:21 PM
To be honest the only person who can truly answer that is no longer around and that is Elvis himself. I know that for me and a lot of people I know they can put on a happy go lucky face for others but not feel it inside. Do I think that he was sad and lonely all the time in those last years? No, but he's human and I'm sure he was from time to time.
I think the same.

GIORGIA
12-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Elvis was quoted as saying "I get lonsome sometimes..right in the middle of a crowd". I believe if elvis had lived and married Ginger he would have straightened his life out ..lost wieght ect, He wasn't depressed 24/7 imo:king:
I also think that too.
I listen Elvis said that,not the same phrase,but a similar phrase,this:
Answer at the journalist,Elvis said:Sometimes you feel lonely and you need somebody with you.
This phrase it's from an interview from 1962,really a beautiful,deep Elvis Interview,where you discovered alot of Our Love Elvis!What A Man Is!

epmoodyblue
12-17-2009, 03:22 PM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_6hh.gif..nobody can answer this question with pinpoint accuracy..only elvis knew how he felt...http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_6hh.gifplus i really dont think ginger was going to set elvis on the right track in any way...her butt was on the way out had elvis lived..she wasint even going to the august 77 tour with elvis.....anyways im off topic she wasint the right woman for elvis http://elvisnowyoulightupthesky.webs.com/PICS1/seasons.jpghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif ..time 4 me to hit lite up another thread .. im outtiehttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_door-165.gif

epmoodyblue
12-17-2009, 03:39 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_flag-canada-10.gifthe mark of excellence(y)

monk37
12-17-2009, 07:25 PM
Everyone has times of joy and sadness, Elvis was no different

was he lonely that week?

I don't think so - he had Lisa with him - he was about to do a tour, he was looking forward to things

Unchained Melody
12-17-2009, 07:38 PM
I don't think so - he had Lisa with him - he was about to do a tour, he was looking forward to things

I think Lisa being around lifted Elvis' spirits. That was said by Linda Thompson.

I do think in August of 1977 things were difficult for him, he knew he had the face the public on that tour, and it was the first time he was facing them since the book Elvis What Happened at been released. Priscilla says in Elvis By The Presley's, she spoke to him that week and that spark was gone, he was having a hard time dealing with life. I agree with that to an extent.

waymore44
12-17-2009, 07:44 PM
Judging by the music he recorded in the 70's he was definitely reflective. There's no way to say for sure if he was sad and lonely at the end of his life, but all signs sort of point that way.

Depression makes you keep to yourself more and more, which he did. It also is something that makes you want to medicate yourself to not feel that way...we know he was taking more drugs than he should have been even if they were prescribed.

He had a family history of depression so pretty sure he suffered from it when you look at how it all turned out.

epmoodyblue
12-17-2009, 07:48 PM
. Priscilla says in Elvis By The Presley's, she spoke to him that week and that spark was gone, he was having a hard time dealing with life. I agree with that to an extent.mabye so..but what does priscilla know about the last few years of his life .. ..at that time she hadint seen elvis in concert in many years prob since 74 vegas..the spark was gone:blink:..mabye he sounded tired on the phone:lol:strange because before the tour was to begin elvis was in great spirits..good mood ready to go to take on the august tour..billy smith said so he was one of the last to see elvis alive.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_6hh.gif eh who knowshttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/icon_sad.gif http://elvisnowyoulightupthesky.webs.com/PICS1/seasons.jpghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

Unchained Melody
12-17-2009, 07:54 PM
mabye so..but what does priscilla know about the last few years of his life nothing.. ..at that time she hadint seen elvis in concert in many years..the spark was gone:blink:..mabye he sounded tired on the phone:lol:strange because before the tour was to begin elvis was in great spirits..good mood ready to go to take on the august tour..billy smith said so he was one of the last to see elvis alive.http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_6hh.gif eh who knowshttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/icon_sad.gif http://elvisnowyoulightupthesky.webs.com/PICS1/seasons.jpghttp://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/bellaselena/th_elvis-071.gif

Exactly, I don't think one coversation could lead you say he was like that, but I'm sure as I've heard Billy Smith say Elvis would go on and on about that book, I know it was stressing him terribly how could it not, But then as billy said and I said, there were times he was fine and happy which shows he wasn't always depressed, even those last couple of days.

shelley.m.
12-17-2009, 08:16 PM
This is something,I guess we'll never know.Elvis was human,just like the rest of us.I'm sure he had his days too.

Genie
12-17-2009, 10:51 PM
Everyone has times of joy and sadness, Elvis was no different

was he lonely that week?

I don't think so - he had Lisa with him - he was about to do a tour, he was looking forward to things

;) I really don't feel that Elvis felt alone or unhappy, and afterall, he did go to the dentist wee hours of the morning, don't know about you, but I wont ever go to a dentist if I'm already in a bad mood.:lmfao:
No, this was a time that he did a lot of reading, and a lot of soul searching, but i do not believe he was lonely.
His worst moments I think were after the publishing and release of that book "Elvis what Happened?"

May
12-18-2009, 12:29 AM
Thats a good point Genie. And a good thing to say to people who ask if Elvis took an overdose intentionally. If you were thinking of doing such a thing, why would you go to the dentist?!

Says it all I think!

Sweet_One_E.
12-18-2009, 06:08 AM
sometimes life can be challenging. he had several issues challenging him. but I think he was pretty resilent. he was mad at Ginger but decided, if she didn't go with on this tour he'd get someone else. so yes, I'm sure alot was getting him down, but I also think he had the ability to make the best of some of the worst situations, when all is said and done and rise above it all.

Jumpsuit Junkie
12-18-2009, 07:01 AM
Having watched Elvis In Concert you can see Elvis was in poor health, he even commented he could sing but couldn't talk. Elvis was in bad shape whatever spin you want to put on it, he clearly struggled with weight and he was bothered about his appearance. It's obvious from those concert films to see Elvis was medicated. 'Elvis What Happened' was playing on his mind, Ginger wasn't the support Elvis needed (not her fault) the guys had run out of ways to try in their way to help. Elvis became reclusive and insular, Isolating himself away from those who wanted some part of him be it his fame or his money.

When you look at the bigger picture Elvis was at an all time low, having Lisa around was a joy for Elvis and he loved her dearly, but this wasn't enough to pull Elvis out of the mire. Elvis was stuck in a downward spiral from which he couldn't drag himself out of.

To say Elvis was upbeat about his upcoming concert is a spin the guys have put out there just TCB'ing. The up coming tour would have been like any other in 1977, there's talk of new set list etc but surely Elvis would have done this sooner if it was going to happen.

Unfortunately Elvis did die sad and lonely, worried about what his future held for him, that's what makes his life such a tragedy!

Elvis isn't unique in that fame Isolates and consumes their lives and they have to use methods to control it i.e. drugs or other methods to better understand the turmoil they find themselves in.

Life can be an overwhelming experience without the pressures of fame, living in a fish bowl. God bless you Elvis, had you been around a decade later there would have been other support processes to help you.

Sweet_One_E.
12-18-2009, 07:12 AM
I disagree that it was spin as you opined. I think of it as Elvis doing what Elvis did so often, make the best of a situation that was difficult. like I said, I do feel that he was in some ways resillent. time and time again, he rose above hard challenges in life. problem is, we will never know if at the time of his death he would eventually have risen above the one's he was going through. I will agree that at the time, this was one of his darkest moments and he was finding it most hard, and why he did try to do some housecleaning and wanted more time alone. but time alone does not always mean lonely. it can actually be the best thing for oneself.

sasha
12-18-2009, 10:39 AM
I disagree that it was spin as you opined. I think of it as Elvis doing what Elvis did so often, make the best of a situation that was difficult. like I said, I do feel that he was in some ways resillent. time and time again, he rose above hard challenges in life. problem is, we will never know if at the time of his death he would eventually have risen above the one's he was going through. I will agree that at the time, this was one of his darkest moments and he was finding it most hard, and why he did try to do some housecleaning and wanted more time alone. but time alone does not always mean lonely. it can actually be the best thing for oneself.


I agree with you here. It's what most all have to do at one time or another.
Alone does not always mean lonely either.
Sometimes being alone helps to figure out--where do I go from here! (y)

Jumpsuit Junkie
12-18-2009, 11:14 AM
I disagree that it was spin as you opined. I think of it as Elvis doing what Elvis did so often, make the best of a situation that was difficult. like I said, I do feel that he was in some ways resilient. time and time again, he rose above hard challenges in life. problem is, we will never know if at the time of his death he would eventually have risen above the one's he was going through. I will agree that at the time, this was one of his darkest moments and he was finding it most hard, and why he did try to do some housecleaning and wanted more time alone. but time alone does not always mean lonely. it can actually be the best thing for oneself.

It's that time alone that some say cost his life! People have postulated that if Elvis had been with Linda he would still have survived August 16th. I don't doubt that Elvis had good days, however, I commented on the question posed for the thread and the history behind it.


I agree with you here. It's what most all have to do at one time or another.
Alone does not always mean lonely either.
Sometimes being alone helps to figure out--where do I go from here! (y)

As I commented above, alone time isn't always good either. What Elvis needed was for someone to grab him by the scruff of his neck around 1974 and show him where his life was headed. The guys knew, Linda knew, Priscilla knew & Dr. Nick should of known that when you are an addict when those around you see what happens, they tell you. They try interventions, when they fail those around you are ostracised, the dependant spends time alone continuing down a self destructive path!

Elvis was a strong character, his strong personality had gotten him to the heights no others had reached. The negative effect was he couldn't be stopped by those around him from continuing down a path that wasn't good for him. If you factor in the Colonel and his work ethic it's a recipe for disaster.

In modern time you have therapists, doctors who are not bought off, you have a management TEAM who cater for you, most important of all you have seen the effects of those before you that will give you a road map of tragedy.

.....Even then we still see celebrity meltdowns, the life of a celebrity, especially of Elvis' calibre is NOT easy, I'm not saying I could have managed any better, in fact I know I couldn't.

sasha
12-18-2009, 11:52 AM
It's that time alone that some say cost his life! People have postulated that if Elvis had been with Linda he would still have survived August 16th. I don't doubt that Elvis had good days, however, I commented on the question posed for the thread and the history behind it.



As I commented above, alone time isn't always good either. What Elvis needed was for someone to grab him by the scruff of his neck around 1974 and show him where his life was headed. The guys knew, Linda knew, Priscilla knew & Dr. Nick should of known that when you are an addict when those around you see what happens, they tell you. They try interventions, when they fail those around you are ostracised, the dependant spends time alone continuing down a self destructive path!

Elvis was a strong character, his strong personality had gotten him to the heights no others had reached. The negative effect was he couldn't be stopped by those around him from continuing down a path that wasn't good for him. If you factor in the Colonel and his work ethic it's a recipe for disaster.

In modern time you have therapists, doctors who are not bought off, you have a management TEAM who cater for you, most important of all you have seen the effects of those before you that will give you a road map of tragedy.

.....Even then we still see celebrity meltdowns, the life of a celebrity, especially of Elvis' calibre is NOT easy, I'm not saying I could have managed any better, in fact I know I couldn't.

I think we'll never know. Everyone has their own way of dealing with life & it's disappointments.
I choose to be optimistic of "the way Elvis felt," since I have no way of knowing.
I'm sure most of us could not have managed any better either.
He had a lot to deal with. Not my idea of a dream life in any way.

Jumpsuit Junkie
12-18-2009, 12:01 PM
I think we'll never know. Everyone has their own way of dealing with life & it's disappointments.
I choose to be optimistic of "the way Elvis felt," since I have no way of knowing.
I'm sure most of us could not have managed any better either.
He had a lot to deal with. Not my idea of a dream life in any way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that Elvis walked round every day feeling sorry for himself, I'm sure he would have been upbeat about Lisa being there and if he is well enough to drive himself to the dentist he wasn't beyond all reason.

Erhan
12-18-2009, 01:24 PM
YouTube- ELVIS You Gave Me A Mountain ( Extraordinary Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGoVHbG4Qg)

May
12-18-2009, 01:31 PM
YouTube- ELVIS You Gave Me A Mountain ( Extraordinary Version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGoVHbG4Qg)

Great video (y);)

JDD
12-18-2009, 03:27 PM
Ehh there are a lot of days I dread going to work, but once I'm there I make the best of it. Maybe those last sessions were like that for him. He wasn't in the mood, but when the guys were there he didn't want to let them down and he did his thing the best he could.

kathy parkinson
12-18-2009, 03:43 PM
Having watched Elvis In Concert you can see Elvis was in poor health, he even commented he could sing but couldn't talk. Elvis was in bad shape whatever spin you want to put on it, he clearly struggled with weight and he was bothered about his appearance. It's obvious from those concert films to see Elvis was medicated. 'Elvis What Happened' was playing on his mind, Ginger wasn't the support Elvis needed (not her fault) the guys had run out of ways to try in their way to help. Elvis became reclusive and insular, Isolating himself away from those who wanted some part of him be it his fame or his money.

When you look at the bigger picture Elvis was at an all time low, having Lisa around was a joy for Elvis and he loved her dearly, but this wasn't enough to pull Elvis out of the mire. Elvis was stuck in a downward spiral from which he couldn't drag himself out of.

To say Elvis was upbeat about his upcoming concert is a spin the guys have put out there just TCB'ing. The up coming tour would have been like any other in 1977, there's talk of new set list etc but surely Elvis would have done this sooner if it was going to happen.

Unfortunately Elvis did die sad and lonely, worried about what his future held for him, that's what makes his life such a tragedy!

Elvis isn't unique in that fame Isolates and consumes their lives and they have to use methods to control it i.e. drugs or other methods to better understand the turmoil they find themselves in.

Life can be an overwhelming experience without the pressures of fame, living in a fish bowl. God bless you Elvis, had you been around a decade later there would have been other support processes to help you.

Sadly, i agree with you on this.

buttonhead
12-18-2009, 05:26 PM
on august 16th 1977 the headlines of the local paper read a lonel life ends on E.P. boulevard, and yet over the past 30 odd years since his death we see and hear a somewhat happy man either between takes - for years we were told that the EP boulevard sessions were a disaster and that the nood was real low kwy almost marose , and yet we hear E,P. in a good mod going through take after take and laughing with the band members, and what about the loads of photos that have surfaced especially the candid ones ?, well was he truly sad and alone ?


it Reminds me when Elvis sang "Are You Lonesome Tonight" 1977, he said ' I am and I was..' ... Elvis often joked on stage or candidly said something and people around him would laughed...but when he said that particular words... i always think he was lonely, ... someone as famous as him, must be hard to be like a regular man who could walk around everywhere without being noticed.

I think the sadness probably came from his failed marriage,.. he was human, he had the same expectation like everyone when it comes to a family, plus he was a southern gentleman.. no matter how many women he was with...he'd hope he would have someone to go home to whom he could call his own family ( a wife and a daughter ).

just my two cent :D

Jungleroom76
12-18-2009, 05:59 PM
In my opinion, the best way to answer this question is to simply listen to the album FROM ELVIS PRESLEY BOULEVARD, MEMPHIS TENNESSEE. As I have said before, I truly believe that album is the closest thing we'll ever have to an autobiography of what Elvis was feeling and going through at that time in his life. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

kathy parkinson
12-18-2009, 11:25 PM
Agree with you once again Mike, that album really does say it all

Erhan
12-19-2009, 01:42 AM
you can't be a friend with your boss Elvis build his world that was his choise
everyone alone at the end we never walk in shoes but if I were him I separete my friendship and workers (M.M.) you can't act like a boss to your friends like he did.Your worker want to be a friend with you for more income they tell you what you want to hear that's the rule he never let them help him he was not that kind of guy so He chose the unreal world and he want to be alone most of time.

Sweet_One_E.
12-19-2009, 03:16 AM
I don't know too many people who don't go through what Elvis did around his age. it is a time of looking back and regrouping for many. It was all exaggerated because of who he was. you look at your mistakes, often do house cleaning and prioritize. why wouldn't he be reflective. but it can be a good thing. and I still think it is a double edged sword, it can be disappointing, and sometimes lonely, but there is a positive side to it too. elvis was humble and grateful for some things, which I believe gave him happiness and he was not totally unhappy. that is why I think some people where so shocked when he died.

rickb
12-19-2009, 04:51 AM
remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

Erhan
12-19-2009, 06:54 AM
remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old
Have I told you that we have same taste in music and other things ;)

May
12-19-2009, 07:51 AM
What did Ginger have in common with Elvis though ?:hmm:

:xmas:

debtdbruno
12-19-2009, 08:58 AM
Having watched Elvis In Concert you can see Elvis was in poor health, he even commented he could sing but couldn't talk. Elvis was in bad shape whatever spin you want to put on it, he clearly struggled with weight and he was bothered about his appearance. It's obvious from those concert films to see Elvis was medicated. 'Elvis What Happened' was playing on his mind, Ginger wasn't the support Elvis needed (not her fault) the guys had run out of ways to try in their way to help. Elvis became reclusive and insular, Isolating himself away from those who wanted some part of him be it his fame or his money.

When you look at the bigger picture Elvis was at an all time low, having Lisa around was a joy for Elvis and he loved her dearly, but this wasn't enough to pull Elvis out of the mire. Elvis was stuck in a downward spiral from which he couldn't drag himself out of.

To say Elvis was upbeat about his upcoming concert is a spin the guys have put out there just TCB'ing. The up coming tour would have been like any other in 1977, there's talk of new set list etc but surely Elvis would have done this sooner if it was going to happen.

Unfortunately Elvis did die sad and lonely, worried about what his future held for him, that's what makes his life such a tragedy!

Elvis isn't unique in that fame Isolates and consumes their lives and they have to use methods to control it i.e. drugs or other methods to better understand the turmoil they find themselves in.

Life can be an overwhelming experience without the pressures of fame, living in a fish bowl. God bless you Elvis, had you been around a decade later there would have been other support processes to help you.


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :notworthy

debtdbruno
12-19-2009, 09:01 AM
It's that time alone that some say cost his life! People have postulated that if Elvis had been with Linda he would still have survived August 16th. I don't doubt that Elvis had good days, however, I commented on the question posed for the thread and the history behind it.



As I commented above, alone time isn't always good either. What Elvis needed was for someone to grab him by the scruff of his neck around 1974 and show him where his life was headed. The guys knew, Linda knew, Priscilla knew & Dr. Nick should of known that when you are an addict when those around you see what happens, they tell you. They try interventions, when they fail those around you are ostracised, the dependant spends time alone continuing down a self destructive path!

Elvis was a strong character, his strong personality had gotten him to the heights no others had reached. The negative effect was he couldn't be stopped by those around him from continuing down a path that wasn't good for him. If you factor in the Colonel and his work ethic it's a recipe for disaster.

In modern time you have therapists, doctors who are not bought off, you have a management TEAM who cater for you, most important of all you have seen the effects of those before you that will give you a road map of tragedy.

.....Even then we still see celebrity meltdowns, the life of a celebrity, especially of Elvis' calibre is NOT easy, I'm not saying I could have managed any better, in fact I know I couldn't.


That's my frustrations...........I wanted to do that. Try to make him listen.........why on earth couldn't anyone get through to him:argue::bangin:

debtdbruno
12-19-2009, 09:01 AM
What did Ginger have in common with Elvis though ?:hmm:

:xmas:


Absolutely nothing..................

Unchained Melody
12-19-2009, 09:34 AM
remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

Yes but its not good when you think about, how could a 42 year old Elvis Aaron Presley relate to a 20 year old girl. He had done it all, parties, cars, everything ! She had all that to go through still and I don't think Elvis would've wanted to go back to all that again. In the end she was good for him at first, then not so much at all. She hated touring with him, she always wanted to stay home with her family, and he always wanted her to be with him when he went on tour. That really got his spirits down.

Jumpsuit Junkie
12-19-2009, 09:45 AM
remember he was with a 20-year-old girlfriend at the time - not too bad for a 42-year-old

I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

sasha
12-19-2009, 11:16 AM
I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

Must agree with you on this one.
A "new romance'" in the beginning is always exciting & takes ones mind off of other things. IMO, they had nothing in common & eventually it would have ended. Not that she was bad; only that their life experiences were different.
She still had a lot of living to do before she could even begin to consider some of his experiences & his way of thinking/believing.

Jungleroom76
12-19-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm sure that might appeal on a superficial level, however, Elvis was quite philosophical, I'm not sure Ginger was capable of providing Elvis with the life knowledge of someone of his own age?

Couldn't have said it better myself!!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

debtdbruno
12-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Wasn't he once quoted as saying......'what would I do with a 40 year old'?
Wasn't he also non-sexually active by the time Ginger came on the scene anyway?

He wanted to maintain the sex symbol image,, but he would have been better with a proper woman who he could relate to, and maybe someone who could have given him 'what for' occasionally,instead of him having his own way all the time..........

ph10579
12-19-2009, 03:25 PM
Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?:mad:

Jungleroom76
12-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?:mad:

She was the "unofficial" reason why Elvis didn't record in January '77. Elvis made it as far as the hotel in Nashville for the January session, but never left the hotel and wound up flying back to Memphis. The "official" reason given was that Elvis was not feeling well. But many people have said that the real reason was because Ginger refused to accompany him on the trip to Nashville. :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

Erhan
12-19-2009, 03:41 PM
Wasn't Ginger one of the reasons why elvis didn't record in Jan 77'?:mad:
Problem was Elvis not Ginger...
it's nice to prove everyone that I can do it with 20's years old girl; that cames from man ego and one kind of cover up for his age.

May
12-20-2009, 03:49 AM
Makes you wonder. If Ginger was so against going places with Elvis, touring etc, and wanting to stay with her family - why she was even with him in the first place.

Gracelandep
12-20-2009, 05:06 AM
I would like to think that at the time of his death he at least had the happiness of having his daughter once again under the same roof as him,and from all the things that I've watched or read, I believe that she was his shining light, his pride & joy and for that reason I think that he would have been in good spirits at least for that moment :D


I am also grateful for the fact that he died in the home he loved so much and that it didn't happen in some lonely hotel while touring, I think that that would have been so much more tragic !!

debtdbruno
12-20-2009, 05:14 AM
The cover up wouldn't have been so efficient if he'd been on tour...........Imagine if it had happened in a public place............

Lisa may have been his pride and joy..............but!!!, he should have thought about being around for her longer............

Gracelandep
12-20-2009, 05:43 AM
............maybe he did think about that but maybe by then he just wasn't strong enough anymore.

I wish so much that he could have found the strength and the will to turn he's life around and to still have him with us today..........but all my wishing can't change what did happen, because if it could he'd still be here :(

beckelvis
12-20-2009, 05:45 AM
I think he was human, and he had his days of feelin' the blues.

I refuse to believe that every second of everyday of his life, even in 1976 - 1977 he was a total despressed person all the time. I don't.
(y)(y):'( agree with you

Jungleroom76
12-20-2009, 12:56 PM
The cover up wouldn't have been so efficient if he'd been on tour...........Imagine if it had happened in a public place............

DEFINITELY a good point Deb!!! (y)

It would have been nothing short of a nightmare if Elvis had passed away out on the road... :doh: :'(

TCB!
Mike

Junebug
12-20-2009, 07:51 PM
I'm not sure........

IMO, I think he definitely was yearning and searching for a different way, looking for answers to get out of this rut....Perhaps even reflective of his life and where some of his choices may have led him......

And I agree, quiet time away from masses of people can do wonders for recharging and finding direction.....

I can see lonely - being around people you have no real emotional connection with and wanting so desperately to find that again.

And I'd like to believe he did not feel alone - that he knew in his heart his God was still there for him.


:king:

Sweet_One_E.
12-21-2009, 06:27 AM
"I can see lonely - being around people you have no real emotional connection with and wanting so desperately to find that again. "

no real emotional connection to?? how about his father, relatives, his child?? elvis would never be totally alone. maybe with less people around but never alone.

Nigel_EIN
12-21-2009, 08:09 AM
Having recently read Alanna Nash's Baby, Let's Play House Elvis Presley and the Women Who Loved Him I recommend anyone interested in how Elvis felt, read it!! It offers a window to Elvis' real feelings, rather than those he showed to the Memphis Mafia.

You can read EIN's review here:
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/bookreview_nash_2010.htm

debtdbruno
12-21-2009, 09:37 AM
read it Nigel, great interview

Will try to get to Alana's book signing when I'm in Memphis