C.B.S. concert

[geordie]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:

[paulsweeney]

That's a tough one. I know how you feel, but it would be nice to own a legitimate copy in great quality - maybe the FTD label will do it one day before we all get to old :lol:

[carolynlm]

It's part of the history...that is what makes it important. We can't gloss over the 'unfortunate' times in Elvis' life. Yes, some parts are difficult to watch, the worst part for me, and I avoid it, is the end where Vernon is speaking from his office.

[Lonniebealestreet]

I love watching the special and the outtakes, but I can understand that point of view.

However, there are plenty of people, myself included, who believe that a new edit of this footage could really do justice to Elvis' legacy and actually improve many people's perception of the way he was and what he could do so close to the end of his life.

It is sad, but it's also impressive in many ways.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:

This topic has been much talked about, there are so many different opinions out there it is untrue. Saying that I would like a good copy just to complete my collection, I have a DVD version but the quality doesn't do it any justice.

As for the concert itself, yes it makes me sad to see Elvis In such poor health but it had been that way for several month's, many feel justified with the Image saying that Elvis died a couple of month's later, but Elvis' death has been attributed to prescribed medication, how long would Elvis have appeared In such a way had it not been?

Surely Elvis was accutely aware and his staff of his medical condition, this is not a man just over eating it is clear that his physical condition is deteriorating in a rapid manner. Action could and should have been taken, as for those around Elvis at the time they should be ashamed of themselves for not taking stock of the situation, I know Elvis was stubborn but he needed protected from himself and they clearly didn't take the appropriate action.

Elvis could sing until the very last, many will be be able to give you chapter and verse on this subject and for the most part I agree, I do feel by this point It was hit and miss and this was partly due to the medication Elvis was taking and the mood he was In.

On the whole I think there will come a day when the CBS Special can be released without to much fuss and when it benefits EPE and they require some more money! until then and only then it will be realeased whether you like it or not

[curtis simpkins]

Hi Carolyn
i am with you on this one i also seen this one few weeks ago, and i didn't
like how he looked, he did sing very well,, but he could'nt talk it is very sad
to see him like this.

if they want to see more of Elvis in concert then they need to release more
concert's from "that's the way it is" and "Elvis on tour"

these would be better release video concert's to get, imo.


sorry guy's i feel the same way about Elvis in 1977.

[Albert]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:

Yes, the 'dancing and shaking' parts are hard to watch. If only he could have seen himself doing so. The dialogues are even worse. Most of the uptempo songs are -in my opinion- lousy performances.

But what's left are those amazing ballads and gospels. Those are the moments that made the CBS Special a real treasure.

[julieann]

I have never seen the CBS concert the whole way through.

What breaks my heart is when he sings 'My Way' - it is on 'This is Elvis' - it is six weeks before he leaves us all and he seems to know he hasn't got long left.

What a fantastic performance of 'My Way' - It leaves all his other versions of this song standing.

Then half way through it cuts to when he was younger.

Just very sad. But at the same time what an amazing perfromance of that song.

I just wanted to hug him - like in some way it would have helped :'(

[EP4MEUK]

I have to say that I love all the concert even the times in it when Elvis seemed to be a little confused. I have shown my children this and their friends and my friends too. I am not embarrased to show them the condition elvis' health or physic was in at that time, something we all know and cannot escape since it was before and after his passing widely published in the media for all to see. I am always proud to say "just listen to his voice" although the image may not be how most remember Elvis it will always remain the voice that took the world by storm. I am not against this concert being released for public viewing after all everyone knows Elvis became over weight and was taking presciption drugs and that he died from an heart attack:'( but nothing ever stopped him from giving his fans what they wanted to see even if he was a little out of sorts towards the end.

Just my opinion:D

love and peace,
Susan.

[Lonniebealestreet]

It's funny--the little shake Elvis gave at the end of Hound Dog to me is a real highlight. I've never watched that part and felt bad for him in the least, when quite a few other moments do have that effect on me. I think it's great. Of course, it is extended in the special by showing the different camera angles, but it's cool to see him let loose like that. He looked more limber and loose there than he did in the Aloha show. I'm not saying he couldn't move that way then, but he didn't.

[Sonny]

My point of view exactly on Hound Dog, Bobby!

I understand how many of us have mixed feelings about this TV Special.

But I think a re-edit from scratch - like they did the Aloha Show - could really make a world of diff'rence.
The thing is, that the 1977 CBS edit really was done very sloppy, and the entire production could've looked a whole lot better.
On top of that, i.m.o. they even made a completely wrong choise in selecting the songs (performances) for the special.

Not a tribute to the greatest entertainer in the world at all, and considering that it's a **** shame it was ever released in this form in the first place.

But, despite the effect it might have on the overall public, I truly believe a newly edited "In Concert Special" is a must!

If not released in the stores, it should be via the FTD label somehow.

Whether we like it or not, it's an important, and sometimes very good part of Elvis' career.

Sonny

[Lonniebealestreet]

My point of view exactly on Hound Dog, Bobby!:cheers:
In fact, in a thread from a month or so ago in which we gave possible tracklistings for a revised special, I suggested using that segment of the song in the opening of the show. So yeah...I kinda like it.

[Captain Elwood David]

I really haven't added my thoughts on this thread, simply because (as stated), ........... this has been discussed in detail here on the MB on other threads.

----------------------------

The "Hound Dog" moment ----------> is quintessential EP.

I think it's great on a number of levels.

EP himself said, according to Billy Smith I believe (but don't quote me on this one), ........ that he didn't want to be 40 years old and still singing "Hound Dog" on-stage.

He did, however, .................

To paraphrase another anonymous source: "EP never cured anybody's cancer or made contributions on this level, ............. but he sure brought a lot of HAPPINESS to many people in this world." I cannot disagree.

- Capt. "EL."

[Albert]

I know that he's in fact doing a parody of himself during those shaking parts. But the problem is that not everybody who's watching that is understanding it. It's very easy to watch that segment and think that Elvis still wanted to shake, rattle and roll like he was in his early 20s.

Especially because CBS decided to mix some laughing of fans through segments like that, and it's like those people were more laughing AT him or with out of pity. Of course those shots are unlikely to be filmed at that very moment (like many other fan footage mixed thoughout the show).

But I just want people to see him at his very best, and segments like that (without knowing how Elvis saw himself during that period) can quite easily be misinterperted by non-Elvisfans.

[veronik]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:


I agree.Im glad you brought up the subjet cuz I din't want to sound too critical.I cried when I saw it. :'(


Veronik

[Captain Elwood David]

I know that he's in fact doing a parody of himself during those shaking parts. But the problem is that not everybody who's watching that is understanding it.
I must agree that EIC can be misunderstood.

This is also precisely why, IMO, ............ a revamp / new approach in presenting it properly is a necessity. I personally think that it can be done & quite successfully ......... and that EPE's current approach of sweeping it under the rug is actually having a more detrimental effect on a number of different levels in the long run.

- Capt. "EL."

[carolynlm]

I just wanted to add a thought to this thread.
The make-up they had plastered over Elvis' face was atrocious......the make up 'artist' has a lot to answer for. If EIC was ever re-released, I'm sure as well as sound wise, and different camera angles, they could do something to at least use new technology to tone down the make up.

[rick]

EIC contains some of the greatest ever filmed performances of Elvis - specifically How Great Thou Art and Unchained Melody.
I also like several other songs, even the `shaking' bits in I Got A Woman and Hound Dog.
Although there are poor songs and difficult dialogue, a re-edit release on FTD is essential.
rick

[dennyelvis]

I tend to agree with the varied comments that it was tough to watch OUR KING in such distress in certain parts of the show :'( and in other parts you could tell he knew he couldnt do a darn thing about it !
Im with you Sonny that a new , fresh Aloha style reworking, could really do his reputation with the cynics alot of good (y) also it would be nice for us true fans to finally have a good quality cut of that infamous show... its more a case of what they have'nt give us that really sucks :angry:

[spinout-designs]

Inspite of the obvious health problems, it seems Elvis is still enjoying being up on that stage in June 1977.

The smile on his face when he's shaking his butt off during 'Hound Dog' would further substantiate that.

The CBS material not only evidences some powerful performances, not to mention the definitive 'My Way' (by any performer ever), but also shows that Elvis is not as out of it as some would have you believe.

The humour is still there, from the well rehearsed "How Do You Like It So Far" preceeding 'Unchained Melody', to the comment about the wedding scene in 'Blue Hawaii' being so realistic that for 2 years he thought he was married to the chick.

He asks why Sherril (Nielson's) suit is prettier than his and is hillarious when he jokes that he's gonna ask one of his bodyguards to come up and sing 'They Call The Wind Mariah' and then follows up with a reasuring "nah".

Inspite of the sadness that accompanies the CBS material (and of course I can appreciate the view points expressed by others here), there is also a lot to enjoy from what Elvis gives of himself up on that stage.

"I've got to please the crowd, excite them, make them happy"...........................and he did, even in June 1977.

[julieann]

At least most of the fans love him unconditionally. I know I do. x :D

[Jungleroom76]

Sounds like everyone has covered this topic pretty well, so I really won't add too much more. ;)

I am also of the mindset that a re-release of the CBS Special is warranted, especially in a revamped format with some of the deleted songs inserted into the show. While I think, for the most part, that the songs chosen for the special were just fine, there were SO MANY OTHER performances that weren't included that were just as good, IF NOT BETTER, than the ones used. So I definitely think many people, both fans and the general public, would probably draw a completely different opinion of Elvis in 1977 if they were able to see the special in a newly re-edited format.

I truly enjoy watching the CBS Special....while clearly Elvis is not physically at his best, he still gives fans everything he has...and what he may lack in terms of physical appearance and movements, he MORE THAN MAKES UP FOR in terms of his vocal performance in my opinion!! Just listen to HOW GREAT THOU ART, YOU GAVE ME A MOUNTAIN, HURT and MY WAY....ABSOLUTELY SHOWSTOPPING!!!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[Rowdy]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:


I agree, this is not the Elvis we want to remember. He is near death and probably already dead inside. This doesn'ts even resemble the Tiger Man from the early 70s and I personally WON'T watch or listen to this stuff. I've even heard comments that his best version of My Way was from 77. That's rediculous and these people are just lying to themselves. Everything Elvis did in 77 was 'forced' and he struggled. His voice was good but most standards, but not by Elvis standards. It's a well known fact that the people around him were worried about him falling down. Listen to 'That's all right' and then break out the same song from That's the way it is and/or Madison Square Garden. He wasn't just overweight and drugged. He was dying!!!! I'll stick to 69-74.

[spinout-designs]

I've even heard comments that his best version of My Way was from 77. That's rediculous

The passionate, powerful and moving rendition of 'My Way' from June 1977 featured in the CBS show is to me the definitive version not just by Elvis but by any artist anytime, anywhere.

Not rediculous at all my friend - care to name a better one ?

[Rowdy]

I'd go as far as to say this passionate, powerful and moving rendition of 'My Way' from June 1977 (Rapid City) IS the definitive version not just by Elvis but by any artist anytime, anywhere.

Not rediculous at all my friend.


Then you haven't heard many versions. The ones he doesn't have to pause so he can get his breath back. He performed this song often in late 72 and 73, they blow 77 out of the water. But then again, Elvis was awake most of the time then and ran on and off the stage. I love the man, but I can't lie to myself, I saw him in Louisville Kentucky on May 21, 1977. I know exactly what kind of shape he was in. I'm shocked someone didn't admit him, he had no business being on stage.

[spinout-designs]

Then you haven't heard many versions. :lol: actually, just the opposite.



I saw him in Louisville Kentucky on May 21, 1977.I'm not familiar with the Louisville performance, I was referencing the version of 'My Way' from the CBS show recordings.

[Rowdy]

:lol: actually, just the opposite.


I'm not familiar with the Louisville performance, I was referencing the version of 'My Way' from the CBS show recordings.


Each to his own

[spinout-designs]

Believe me, I recognise what sort of shape he was in to, but fortunately the shape he was in at the time doesn't stop me from appreciating some of the great performances he was able to dig down deep to produce during the final year.

It puzzles me why some people suggest you must be lying to yourself in order to appreciate such performances - they evidently don't hear what I hear when listening to them.

Although I very much enjoy the understated performance of the studio version of 'My Way' from 1971 as well as the live versions from 1972 none eclipse the 1977 CBS performance as far as I am concerned.

[Rowdy]

No I don't appreciate the performance. I watched them literally escort Elvis on and off the stage in 1977. He should have been in the hospital, not out performing concerts. Had someone stopped him, we may have enjoyed Elvis for many more years. In fact, maybe he'd be a nearly 70 year old man right now. Therefore, I REFUSE to appreciate any performance from this time frame, and it wasn't just bad luck that took Elvis just 2 months later. He didn't just have a foot in the grave, most of his body was in the grave. Personally, I find it sickening that anyone can listen to it. When you hear 1997, you're hearing a dying man. That's OK though. It was the best!!!! Sorry, I don't buy it and won't listen to a dying Elvis perform. When I hear it, I wonder why nobody DRAGGED him to the hospital. (n)

[sam]

I enjoy watching and listening to the CBS special.
It was even shown on TV you know?
OK he wasn't healthy, but he was still Elvis.
And the show isn't as bad as a lot of people make out.
It is only the fact that he died not long after that people put the show in a worse light than it was. IMO!!! :P


:king:

[veronik]

Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:

I don't like it either :'( Makes me cry.especially when Vernon comes on at the end of the concert. :nono: Too sad:(


Veronik :newyear:

[T_J]

I tend to agree with the varied comments that it was tough to watch OUR KING in such distress in certain parts of the show :'( and in other parts you could tell he knew he couldnt do a darn thing about it !
Im with you Sonny that a new , fresh Aloha style reworking, could really do his reputation with the cynics alot of good (y) also it would be nice for us true fans to finally have a good quality cut of that infamous show... its more a case of what they have'nt give us that really sucks :angry:

A fresh edit using what material? The reason the special was so short and taken up with so much fan chat was that it was difficult to scrape together a lot of decent performances from the two shows. There's certainly not much left from Omaha that should be seen. Sure it could be tweaked, but not to dramatic effect. The source material simply isn't strong enough. With respect Denny, I think it's wishful thinking that a re-edit would do his reputation with the cynics a lot of good. For a start, many have not really seen the original. We as fans are now conditioned to it after repeatedly watching it, but let's not forget the initial shock the vast majority of us felt when we first saw it! Our reaction wasn't translated into venomous, derogatory comments and ongoing slurs about his physical condition because we are fans. Do you predict that would also be the case for the more cynical non-fans or casual admirers? Absolutely no chance. You only have to see how some reviewers commented on the Aloha box set to realise the reaction a 77 DVD would have. If he's dismissed as a man in the twilight of his career with little left to offer in Aloha, I dread to think what reaction Rapid City/Omaha would get. Fans who think otherwise are kidding themselves that we live in a more compassionate world than we do. Sad but true :(

[veronik]

This topic has been much talked about, there are so many different opinions out there it is untrue. Saying that I would like a good copy just to complete my collection, I have a DVD version but the quality doesn't do it any justice.

As for the concert itself, yes it makes me sad to see Elvis In such poor health but it had been that way for several month's, many feel justified with the Image saying that Elvis died a couple of month's later, but Elvis' death has been attributed to prescribed medication, how long would Elvis have appeared In such a way had it not been?

Surely Elvis was accutely aware and his staff of his medical condition, this is not a man just over eating it is clear that his physical condition is deteriorating in a rapid manner. Action could and should have been taken, as for those around Elvis at the time they should be ashamed of themselves for not taking stock of the situation, I know Elvis was stubborn but he needed protected from himself and they clearly didn't take the appropriate action.

Elvis could sing until the very last, many will be be able to give you chapter and verse on this subject and for the most part I agree, I do feel by this point It was hit and miss and this was partly due to the medication Elvis was taking and the mood he was In.

On the whole I think there will come a day when the CBS Special can be released without to much fuss and when it benefits EPE and they require some more money! until then and only then it will be realeased whether you like it or not


Sad,but true :sad:

Veronik :newyear:

[Lonniebealestreet]

No I don't appreciate the performance. I watched them literally escort Elvis on and off the stage in 1977. He should have been in the hospital, not out performing concerts. Had someone stopped him, we may have enjoyed Elvis for many more years. In fact, maybe he'd be a nearly 70 year old man right now. Therefore, I REFUSE to appreciate any performance from this time frame, and it wasn't just bad luck that took Elvis just 2 months later. He didn't just have a foot in the grave, most of his body was in the grave. Personally, I find it sickening that anyone can listen to it. When you hear 1997, you're hearing a dying man. That's OK though. It was the best!!!! Sorry, I don't buy it and won't listen to a dying Elvis perform. When I hear it, I wonder why nobody DRAGGED him to the hospital. (n)
There are a couple other people here who saw that Louisville show...present company excluded. :angry: ;) Lucky you.

Anyway, we can't change the fact that Elvis was on his death bed then, and that this person or that one should have done something about it.

Though that tragic aspect certainly plays into those performances, the way I choose to look at it is that he was as good as he was then despite the physical limitations.

Many of the songs themselves, regardless of all else, truly are superb. It's a shame that not everyone can look past the negative elements and enjoy the positive things about these performances.

It's not about rose-colored glasses; I can clearly see what was happening.

I can understand not wanting to watch the CBS material if it just gets to you too emotional, but flat-out refusing to appreciate any performance from Elvis' final months is consciously denying yourself enjoyment of performances by someone you're a fan of...and that's puzzling to me.

But to each his own. :king:

By the way, there are indeed a handful of performances which were considerably more impressive than those chosen for the special. And there were some decidedly inferior ones which shouldn't have been in it but were. A new edit could very well do some good. Even if many people haven't actually seen the original special, most of those people at least have an impression of it, based on others' negative recollections and the mean-spirited press that followed for over a decade.

All JMHO, of course.

[veronik]

I have to say that I love all the concert even the times in it when Elvis seemed to be a little confused. I have shown my children this and their friends and my friends too. I am not embarrased to show them the condition elvis' health or physic was in at that time, something we all know and cannot escape since it was before and after his passing widely published in the media for all to see. I am always proud to say "just listen to his voice" although the image may not be how most remember Elvis it will always remain the voice that took the world by storm. I am not against this concert being released for public viewing after all everyone knows Elvis became over weight and was taking presciption drugs and that he died from an heart attack:'( but nothing ever stopped him from giving his fans what they wanted to see even if he was a little out of sorts towards the end.

Just my opinion:D

love and peace,
Susan.

Very well said Susan.Very touching....... :'(

Love and Peace to you too,

Veronik :newyear:

[Mikey79]

After reading through this interesting topic and your opininions that seem to be very different from each other, I decided to go to Jordan's Elvis World and download the concert, for I have never seen a second of it before.

After watching the CBS Special, I have to say that I am positively amazed. The show - MUSICALLY - was way better than I thought it would be. I think Elvis' voice is great and the way he performs even his "old" songs - the ones he usually just ran through - is great. He really seems to pu effort on all the songs, not just the ones he happens to like at the time.

Of course we all have eyes and can see the physical condition of the King. He is heavy and moves slowly. But still, he doesn't seem as tired and confused I had imagined before.

So, to me, it was a positive surprise and I really think they should release it on DVD!

Mikko

[rick]

That's All Right is better to my ears in '77 than '72, My Way much better,
rick

[Lildarling]

I saw it twice...the first time I had a little depression for a week (and I'm not speaking bout the shape he was in, but that incredible voice that still could thrill emotions and bring tears)....The second time I was with my friend-crying...crying...crying...about the life he had, the destiny and unbearable pain he was suffering...

[howardrobardhughes]

Elvis was in poor health and he mumbles,gets tongue tied,looks out of it...but I am mesmerized by the CBS concert.....the defining moment for me is
when he sings "Unchained Melody"


I believe that of any single performance in Elvis' career,nothing compares to the impact of Elvis' performance of "Unchained Melody" in the CBS Special..1977
*I believe that for a brief moment,starting right after Elvis says to Charlie "Help me with it...." we see the true Elvis Presley..
maybe the ONLY time ever captured on film with such clarity..
Charlie tries to hide his concern...you can see his nervous facial expressions..
yet....
As the camera zooms in on Elvis' swollen face,sweat pouring off him into the microphone...he manages to reach down in the depths of his being..totally engulfed in the song..and the performance...
beating the odds...one last time...pulling off a BRILLIANT rendition of the song..
I have watched this clip 100's of times..and I'm speechless every time I see it..
and the look on his face after the last note says it all...just like the fist punch in ALOHA..
"I did it"
to me...Aloha was Elvis in perfection..
"Unchained Melody" CBS SPECIAL was the crowning jewel for a dying man.

TCB
Wade

[Lonniebealestreet]

Amen to that!

Mikey, it was great to read your reaction. (y)

[Captain Elwood David]

There are many moments of transcendence to be found in EIC & Outtakes.

They should be focused on, presented in the proper context, & released in excellent quality for the fans; it would be well received, financially successful, & even convert "new" fans to the man & his music.

EIC is what it is .......... a critical part of the story. It cannot be swept under the rug forever, it must be faced, dealt with, & given the proper treatement it deserves. All of this brushing it aside by the Estate has only served the purpose to fuel the MYTH that it is worse than it actually is in reality. Some portions are destined to remain in the realm of boot DVD / VHS, ........ but there is plenty of other material that can be easily be found ..... that deserves better ("Unchained Melody" - as released on The Great Performances - is testatment to this fact).


- Capt. "EL."

[geordie]

There are many moments of transcendence to be found in EIC & Outtakes.

They should be focused on, presented in the proper context, & released in excellent quality for the fans; it would be well received, financially successful, & even convert "new" fans to the man & his music.

EIC is what it is .......... a critical part of the story. It cannot be swept under the rug forever, it must be faced, dealt with, & given the proper treatement it deserves. All of this brushing it aside by the Estate has only served the purpose to fuel the MYTH that it is worse than it actually is in reality. Some portions are destined to remain in the realm of boot DVD / VHS, ........ but there is plenty of other material that can be easily be found ..... that deserves better ("Unchained Melody" - as released on The Great Performances - is testatment to this fact).


- Capt. "EL."
youre preaching to the converted here b ;) if eic ever got a public release it would set back the kings image years ,all we will get is the negative .if you say youre not bothered about public opion,think how proud were you when elvis was NO.1 again ;) :)

[Captain Elwood David]

youre preaching to the converted here .......... if eic ever got a public release it would set back the kings image years ,all we will get is the negative

Not necessarily, at least in my own experiences with sharing the material.

I have shown portions of EIC & particularly "Unchained" to non-fans, as well as semi-casual fans ------> the reaction is always the same: EP is not as "bad" as they had imagined or come to believe it to be. In the case of "Unchained" & some other songs, ......... they simply cannot NOT be moved (in a positive way) by the sheer power & emotional delivery of EP spinning his magic. The music / EP's voice, speaks for itself. (Believe it or not, one such "non-fan" is now heavily interested in EP ---> based upon some of the EIC material initially).

Everybody says otherwise, but that is not what I'm seeing in reality. The NEGATIVE MYTH has been so far blown out of proportion from reality, that ......... the actual material - if presented properly - actually fights back against the overblown MYTH / misconceptions. It's ironic, but I think the damage has been far greater by attempting to sweep it under the rug & keep it all in the closet.


- Capt. "EL."

[geordie]

Not necessarily, at least in my own experiences with sharing the material.

I have shown portions of EIC & particularly "Unchained" to non-fans, as well as semi-casual fans ------> the reaction is always the same: EP is not as "bad" as they had imagined or come to believe it to be. In the case of "Unchained" & some other songs, ......... they simply cannot NOT be moved (in a positive way) by the sheer power & emotional delivery of EP spinning his magic. The music / EP's voice, speaks for itself. (Believe it or not, one such "non-fan" is now heavily interested in EP ---> based upon some of the EIC material initially).

Everybody says otherwise, but that is not what I'm seeing in reality. The NEGATIVE MYTH has been so far blown out of proportion from reality, that ......... the actual material - if presented properly - actually fights back against the overblown MYTH / misconceptions. It's ironic, but I think the damage has been far greater by attempting to sweep it under the rug & keep it all in the closet.


- Capt. "EL."



lets agree to disagree :hmm: :doh:

[Captain Elwood David]

Just relaying my first hand experience with the subject / material.

This will be a perennially contentious topic .... until EPE releases EIC (in some form); they will release it, someday (they already have in bits-n-pieces, which are just the first steps).

- Capt. "EL."

[geordie]

Just relaying my first hand experience with the subject / material.

This will be a perennially contentious topic .... until EPE releases EIC (in some form); they will release it, someday (they already have in bits-n-pieces, which are just the first steps).

- Capt. "EL."

just relaying my second hand veiwings. we all love the king,putting this out would only get more crap of the public. if your not bothered great i am :newyear:

[richardo316]

i agree with you geordie. even though i enjoyed it when i saw it, it was verry difficult to watch. i don't think it should be released to the general public. maby just to those of us who would like to have it. like a special order from the tcb forum

[stilllovinelvis]

Just my opinion, but in EIC I saw that Elvis STILL had his incredible god given gift of his vocal talent and charisma. He also STILL had a sense of humor. He also STILL showed his kindness. He also STILL wanted to please the fans. I feel he tried his best. When he goes into the shaking his upper body move (and he's been criticized by some for making a fool of himself), no, it didn't have the "appearance" of what it did a few years back, but he did it because it's what his "fans" wanted. And his "fans" should appreciate his "efforts". It made me love him even MORE to know he did it for "me". And maybe he didn't feel like it, maybe he didn't feel that good, maybe he knew he didn't look AS good as he once did, but he gave everything he had left in him for "us". On most songs I thought his voice was magnificient. He put out the effort to reach down in his guts for some of those notes and he delivered. So I saw the talent and charisma of a man who just needed to take care of his physical health. He just no longer had the discipline or will to do what it took to get his personal/physical life in order. But the magic was STILL there. It NEVER left him. And he tried, with what he had left to give, to please his fans the best he could. And I for one acknowledge that he STILL had the gift despite his other problems.
I realize some are afraid EIC will hurt the Elvis "image". I understand that. But I hope there will come a day when people can see EIC and appreciate the "talent", "spirit", and "inner" beauty of Elvis Presley. I hope someday EPE will be as generous to the "fans" as Elvis himself was, and do it for the fans, not the critics. I don't want to be critical of EPE in any way because I am grateful for having the privilege of seeing Elvis' beloved home and his many things on display etc. And I suppose it is ultimately Lisa's decision and that is as it should be. I feel she is his daughter and that gives her priority over the fans. I can understand that she would not want her father to be ridiculed or criticized harshly and therefore might be hesitant to release EIC.
So anyway, that's what I see in it.

[Lonniebealestreet]

stilllovinelvis - another person who sees it. :notworthy


That's All Right is better to my ears in '77 than '72
It is to mine too. It's truer to the original tempo, and like the original, it features Elvis on acoustic. :cool:

It is also cool, however, to hear Elvis do the song in '72 (and earlier) fashion as the show opener in Saginaw, May 3, 1977, which I'm sure came as a surprise to everyone.

Enjoy. :king:

[WildStyle]

As Elvis fans we have been conditioned and are used to seeing Elvis like that. The average joe is not. THey are used to seeing the young guy in his 20's shaking around. That guy is still the epitome of cool to the public. Releasing EIC ciomercially would do more harm then godd IMO.

A 50's DVD box set is what's long overdue.

[sam]

I would love to have EIC in the best Video and sound quality available.
Now if that's what I would like, do I have the right to say It's OK for me but Joe down the road shouldn't have it?
I don't know the answer, but I still want it in better quality!!! :hmm:


:king: :newyear: :xmas:

[Jungleroom76]

After reading through this interesting topic and your opininions that seem to be very different from each other, I decided to go to Jordan's Elvis World and download the concert, for I have never seen a second of it before.

After watching the CBS Special, I have to say that I am positively amazed. The show - MUSICALLY - was way better than I thought it would be. I think Elvis' voice is great and the way he performs even his "old" songs - the ones he usually just ran through - is great. He really seems to pu effort on all the songs, not just the ones he happens to like at the time.

Of course we all have eyes and can see the physical condition of the King. He is heavy and moves slowly. But still, he doesn't seem as tired and confused I had imagined before.

So, to me, it was a positive surprise and I really think they should release it on DVD!

Mikko

A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF WHY THE CBS SPECIAL NEEDS TO BE RELEASED ON DVD!!! (y)

There is SO much negative publicity and word of mouth regarding Elvis' performances recorded for the CBS Special, and until someone actually watches the special for themselves so they can form their own opinion, the negativity is all they have to judge the special on!!!

Mikko's post is just ANOTHER EXAMPLE of someone's opinion being changed by watching the special and/or the outtakes! I can't begin to count the number of fans that I have spoken to over the years that have said to me they went into watching the special/outtakes with such a negative opinion, simply because that is all they had ever heard regarding Elvis in 1977. And once they saw the special/outtakes for themselves, for the most part their opinion changed COMPLETELY!!! Basically, those people echoed Mikko's sentiments exactly....while Elvis looks tired and obviously not his best physically, his singing is truly outstanding and overall they felt that the special/outtakes were better than they thought they would be!

That is why I also continue to advocate for a newly reissued/re-edited DVD containing the CBS Special and the outtakes in some form. I truly believe that the fans need to see this material for themselves, so they can judge Elvis' performances for themselves instead of having to depend solely on all of the negative criticisms/comments that continue to be made about Elvis' '77 Special.

And, regarding earlier discussions in this thread on Elvis' performance of MY WAY from the CBS Special....I too have to agree that there simply is NO OTHER VERSION that even comes close to the power and emotion that Elvis' puts into this version!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[sam]

Agree 110% with Mikko and Jungleroom 76!!!



:king:

[Jungleroom76]

THANKS SAM!!! GLAD TO HAVE YOU IN OUR CORNER!!! :cool:

TCB!
Mike

[Captain Elwood David]

I must admit, this topic and the predictable rehashing of the well-known arguments ..... does get a bit tiring at times.

As already stated by a number of others on this thread, ..... the cacophony of those saying that EIC would have an overly negative backlash (especially when viewed by non-fans / those "impartial" to EP) --------------> in my first-hand experience (done expressely to test that theory), it just doesn't hold up.

I'm very aware of the naysayers, but the evidence displays the opposite in reality. (Granted, EIC & Outtakes must be presented carefully, focusing on EP's greatest moments & deliveries. I also fully admit that EIC & Outtakes will most likely never see the light of day in fully un-edited form - releases akin to the recent Aloha / '68 Special Deluxe DVD's. That is highly unlikely to ever happen.)

I think the writing is already on the wall regarding an eventual release of EIC - in some form. I believe it can be done & will not be as bad as "many" are trying to make it.

I love EIC & particular moments of the outtakes. Quintessential EP, the man & what he was.


- Capt. "EL."

[FrankieRider2]

Bobby.... a little bit off topic, but thanks for posting that link to the '77 version of "That's All Right" as the show opener. I was not aware that he did that song as the opener in 1977; I've heard the version from the summer of '75, but not this one. Even without the guitar break, it still kicks pretty darn good and I've always liked versions that feature the double reprise ending.

It's always been my favorite opening number for a '70s concert, bar none. Thanks again....

[Lonniebealestreet]

Frankie, if it was off-topic, that was my doing. So glad you liked it, and thanks for saying so. :) You're most welcome.

[rockinrebel]

There is a major difference between the broadcast version of the CBS TV Special (which consists mainly of footage from the Rapid City show) and the out takes that are circulating unofficially.

It’s only natural that Elvis fans will defend Elvis, and look for the positive aspects in each performance, but it would be hard for anyone to make a case for Elvis singing ‘great’ during the Omaha concert. With the exception of “How Great Thou Art” it is one of the weakest, saddest Elvis shows I have ever heard.

There’s a world of difference between issuing a clip from the final tour at the end of a documentary, and issuing a 60 – 90 minute special that focuses solely on these events, and from what I’ve read on EPE’s site, I don’t see any indication that their stance on this footage as changed. And I have to say that I agree with this.

It is a shame that the fans that want the footage aren’t able to get it in good quality at a reasonable price. Re-editing the best of the available footage would make a nice release for the fans that want to own it, but I don’t think it should be issued into the mainstream market.

[Jungleroom76]

While I personally think that releasing the ELVIS IN CONCERT footage to the mass retail market wouldn't cause as much negative public criticism as EPE seems to think it will (assuming that EPE would take the time to release the footage in a newly edited form....simply releasing the original '77 special as is would NOT be the way to release this material, in my opinion!).

BUT....if EPE still feels uncomfortable releasing the EIC footage to the mass retail market, then why can't they look into working out some kind of a release via the FTD label? I mean, after all, the FTD label has already branched out into just more than CD releases lately with a pair of book/CD sets (THE WAY IT WAS & FLASHBACK) and another book/2-CD set on the way (ROCKIN' ACROSS TEXAS). And, considering the fans welcomed the release of these book/CD projects in a mostly positive way, despite the obviously higher prices, I have to believe that the fans will spend the money necessary to purchase a DVD compilation of the EIC footage, if FTD were to release it! I would have to believe this would be a win-win situation for everyone involved....the fans would be able to FINALLY purchase the EIC footage in pristine quality, and EPE could rest easy knowing that the fans were able to purchase the material via the FTD label without releasing the footage into the mass retail market.

Does this sound like a feasible idea or am I just way off base on this idea??? :hmm: :blink:

TCB!
Mike

[Abbi]

What is this general public nonsense?
Weren't we all part of that general public once? I became a fan during the early 80's when Elvis' image was at its worst. I saw through it all. I just loved his voice and personality and the fact that he was a fragile human like me made me relate to him more. Its like falling in love. It either happens or doesn't. If someone is drawn to Elvis they will be inspite of the negative image and if they dont like his music they never will inspite of the positive image.

[elvisdownunder]

in regard to Rowdy being at Louisville, Kentucky. Elvis was semi-conscious after the show and had to have his head ducked in to a bucket of ice. what he did for you fans was out of love, even though he must have been in pain. do you remember much of the concert Rowdy

p.s: this is my first post :)

[rockinrebel]

What is this general public nonsense?
Weren't we all part of that general public once? I became a fan during the early 80's when Elvis' image was at its worst. I saw through it all. I just loved his voice and personality and the fact that he was a fragile human like me made me relate to him more. Its like falling in love. It either happens or doesn't. If someone is drawn to Elvis they will be inspite of the negative image and if they dont like his music they never will inspite of the positive image.

It depends on what you actually want released. When this subject comes up, many fans are of the opinion that as EPE has two complete concerts in their vaults, they should issue them both entirety.

It is understandable that the fans would want to own these shows, but they are not suitable for mainstream release. Elvis struggling to communicate with his audience and the people on stage with him whilst (in the case of the Omaha show) singing very poorly at the same time is not the type of footage that should be widely available.

In the years following Elvis’ passing you couldn’t read an article about him, without the same old Goldman style references to the later part of his career. Ernst and his colleagues at BMG have put in a lot of hard work in order to bring the focus back to the music, and as a result of this the serious music magazines are now more likely to discuss Elvis’ artistic achievements rather than the problems that he had at the end of his life.

A mainstream release of the CBS tapes, whilst appealing to some fans, would do nothing to enhance the work that has been put in to restore Elvis’ reputation and would most likely have the opposite effect. EPE are very much aware of this, which is why they have taken the decision not issue this footage.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Scott, welcome to the board! I thought that scene in Louisville took place before the show. Regardless, if it's true, it's pretty sad.

Reb, I agree that the accomplishment of people coming to appreciate Elvis the artist instead of dwelling on a certain negative image of him is a great thing, and something we don't want to see undone.

But it seems to me that while that image is no longer as prevalent in people's minds, they still know about it (either by having seen the special back then and been influenced by all the bad press that followed for quite a few years, or just through word of mouth).

I don't think too many people would be shocked to see a heavier Elvis at the end of his life. I think a good many people would instead be surprised to see that he was not some grotesque figure would could no longer sing.

I acknowledge that watching the complete shows, with some of the weaker songs from Omaha and the dialogue struggles in both is not the kind of stuff that could help the Elvis image too much. I personally do enjoy watching both shows, but that's beside the point.

As has been said multiple times here, a well done new edit could actually be very effective in projecting a positive image of the latter day Elvis. His singing was for the most part very good in Rapid City, and I believe Omaha offered some nice moments aside from just HGTA. So the best performances would be used, no confused dialogue, the best angles, the best editing, the best sound and video enhancements, etc., and I sincerely believe most people would be pleasantly surprised!

Addressing the issue of Elvis '77 rather than largely ignoring it (which I consider to be extremely detrimental), and controlling what is released in a way that maximizes the positive is the way to best handle this. I firmly believe that.

If it is believed that the general public and press still aren't quite ready for it, then perhaps release it via FTD. Then all us fans, simply because we will be moved to do so, will show it to the people who need to be converted ;) and it will continue to sell and sell. Then the powers that be will see that they need to make it more readily available to the public. Well, ya never know....I mean it's not that far-fetched from reality. ;)

[Gertepet]

An other point of view:

When I was a little kid I watched a documentary about Elvis. There was some footage of EIC in it. I remember I was facinated by the man in that footage. It made me curious of the story behind it all; I started to collect information en listened to his music; during this proces I became an Elvis fan.

What I'm trying to say is: watching EIC can also be the start of something beautiful; beeing an Elvis-fan!

(this is also my first post after reading your interesting topics for months !)

[Lonniebealestreet]

And welcome to you, Gertepet! Thanks for your POV. (y)

[Captain Elwood David]

An other point of view:

When I was a little kid I watched a documentary about Elvis. There was some footage of EIC in it. I remember I was facinated by the man in that footage. It made me curious of the story behind it all; I started to collect information en listened to his music; during this proces I became an Elvis fan.

What I'm trying to say is: watching EIC can also be the start of something beautiful; beeing an Elvis-fan!

(this is also my first post after reading your interesting topics for months !)
Gertepet -

That is precisely what I have been trying to point out to many of the naysayers (both on & off this thread). I know of a number of others that share the same "history" as you describe above .... from way back in 1977 ........... up thru today. Then, & Now, .... the result is the same.

IMO, ..... the "negativity" that many are predicting --------> is already out there & is far worse than a properly re-edited EIC could ever do.

----------------------------------

EPE has stated, that "not now .... doesn't necessarily mean never" when it comes to an EIC release in some form. Again, .... EPE's words, not mine.

When it suits EPE's needs (ie: their bottom line), they will release it - is some form. They, in fact, already have allowed snippets to be used for various projects ... and ...... use clips everyday (and have for years) of EIC on The Graceland Tour on display with the Sundial stagesuit itself.

If EPEreally intended to keep EIC under wraps "forever", they wouldn't use it in any way, shape, or form to begin with.

I don't know why it is so hard for some to see the true nature of EPE & read in-between the lines; EIC's day will come - someday (again, in some form).


- Capt. "EL."

[rick]

The performance of Unchained Melody, HGTA etc would be enough to convert some non-fans into fans. I know those songs were part of the reason my wife came to appreciate Elvis.
rick

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I agree with the captain, that some day EIC will be released, EPE could have nipped the concert in the bud when Elvis died and never released it for public view, I don't think for one moment if they thought the images were that bad they wouldn't have pulled the rug way back then!

Perhaps that now that EPE has sold 85% and the Movie and Image rights there maybe a sooner rather than later :D But I'm not holding my breath for sooner.

[eileen]

I agree with the captain, that some day EIC will be released, EPE could have nipped the concert in the bud when Elvis died and never released it for public view, I don't think for one moment if they thought the images were that bad they wouldn't have pulled the rug way back then!


That doesn't make sense IMO. EPE as it exists now did not exist when Elvis died. The decisions back then were made by the Colonel (again) within days of Elvis' death. And the CBS contracts had already been signed.

Eileen

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

That doesn't make sense IMO. EPE as it exists now did not exist when Elvis died. The decisions back then were made by the Colonel (again) within days of Elvis' death. And the CBS contracts had already been signed.

Eileen

I was speaking figuretively and yes the Colonel would have made the decisions in the short term, I'm sure that due to the exceptional circumstances the Colonel or the family would have had some say in the matter. a contract would surely have had a clause in the event of death!! (Not to mention the Colonel would probably had some standard getout clause should the event arise)

[Concho]

Hello all

I am new to this forum site, but I would like to say something on this topic.
I love Elvis regardless of what he looked like, his weight or his slurred speech etc. If you are a true Elvis fan you will love him through the good times & the bad times. We all go through bad times in our lives we loose weight we gain weight some get addicted to drugs ect ect. But if the people we love abandened us at times of need it would be a sorry state, and they dont do they. A true fan loves Elvis regardless.
I have a bootleg copy of this concert and have watched it on many occasions, I love the way Elvis introduces his band with so much love, and at one stage goes to kathy westmoreland & kisses her with so much love. It is so touching nearly brings a tear to the eye.Its a good Concert in my eyes, and I wished I had been there.

Thanks

Stephen. :D

[eileen]

I was speaking figuretively and yes the Colonel would have made the decisions in the short term, I'm sure that due to the exceptional circumstances the Colonel or the family would have had some say in the matter. a contract would surely have had a clause in the event of death!! (Not to mention the Colonel would probably had some standard getout clause should the event arise)

How so? This is not figurative: "EPE could have nipped the concert in the bud when Elvis died and never released it for public view, I don't think for one moment if they thought the images were that bad they wouldn't have pulled the rug way back then!"

I repeat, EPE as it exists today did not exist back then. The argument is not valid.

The only "family" with a legal say at that time was Vernon, who had always supported Parker and was easily manipulated by him.

You're also assuming that Vernon saw the EIC footage - I've not heard that he did. His presence at the show(s) is not the same as seeing the broadcast edit.

Why would the contract "surely" have had a clause in case Elvis died AFTER filming? I've never heard a whisper of this and doubt it was ever discussed. Had it been an option, Parker would have put in to triple the price if Elvis died after filming - that's what would be consistent with his modus operandi.

Parker was never interested in getting out of any deal that made him money for nothing. It seems like you're grasping for something that doesn't exist here.

Eileen

[Jungleroom76]

What is this general public nonsense?
Weren't we all part of that general public once? I became a fan during the early 80's when Elvis' image was at its worst. I saw through it all. I just loved his voice and personality and the fact that he was a fragile human like me made me relate to him more. Its like falling in love. It either happens or doesn't. If someone is drawn to Elvis they will be inspite of the negative image and if they dont like his music they never will inspite of the positive image.

I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE ABBI!!! (y)

Sadly though, EPE apparently does not see things the way you and I (as well as most other Elvis fans) do! They still feel that, by releasing ELVIS IN CONCERT to the general public, they are opening his memory and legacy up to ridicule and negative criticism! They feel that the general public just won't see Elvis in the same way that us fans do, and that will create a negative impact on his image!!! EPE has always been VERY CAREFUL not to promote Elvis much in his post-Aloha career!!

In fact, I've said it many times before here on this board....IN MY OPINION, as far as EPE is concerned, Elvis died after the Aloha special....that's the way EPE treats the final years of his life which is truly sad!! Elvis recorded so much GREAT music post-Aloha, and if it were up to EPE, no one would ever get to hear any of it! Yes, Elvis had his problems....but like you pointed out, he was HUMAN!!! But EPE is so concerned with tarnishing the image that THEY have created of him (basically ignoring anything he did post-Aloha), they won't consider releasing ELVIS IN CONCERT in any way that the general public can get their hands on it, thus opening Elvis' image up to ridicule and speculation about his health, etc. Which, as I've said before, is a real shame!!! Perhaps more people in the general public might see Elvis for the human being that he truly was if they were able to see ELVIS IN CONCERT....and like you Abbi, maybe they would be drawn to Elvis even more seeing him as a human being with his fragility, faults, etc. Perhaps then they would have a whole new perspective on Elvis Presley!! :hmm:

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your post Abbi!!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

How so? This is not figurative: "EPE could have nipped the concert in the bud when Elvis died and never released it for public view, I don't think for one moment if they thought the images were that bad they wouldn't have pulled the rug way back then!"

Wow, easy Tiger no need to get all up tight!!!!!!!!!! ITS A POINT OF VIEW :!:
Symantics, (EPE, THE COLONEL whoever) I think if there was a will back then, then it could have been stopped, after all they try there hardest to keep it under wraps NOW, has something changed that I'm not seing, yes a lot of time has passed and they may want to only promote the positive younger Image :angry:



I repeat, EPE as it exists today did not exist back then. The argument is not valid.

I understand that :!: why is the argument not valid? Elvis was already a commercial business back in 1977 and as such decisions were made in the interest of promoting Elvis, EPE is just another name for this business and IMO run in pretty much the same manner as the Colonel, maybe worse. This does NOT make the argument Invalid.



You're also assuming that Vernon saw the EIC footage - I've not heard that he did. His presence at the show(s) is not the same as seeing the broadcast edit.

I try not to assume, and dislike people assuming for me.



Why would the contract "surely" have had a clause in case Elvis died AFTER filming? I've never heard a whisper of this and doubt it was ever discussed. Had it been an option, Parker would have put in to triple the price if Elvis died after filming - that's what would be consistent with his modus operandi.


Business has no sentiment, a standard contract covers ALL eventualities, artists are commodities to corporate entities and they will cover all the bases.

At the very least Force Majore might apply as a way out of a contract.

Who owns the rights to the CBS Special? And why has it not yet been released?



Parker was never interested in getting out of any deal that made him money for nothing. It seems like you're grasping for something that doesn't exist here.


Why am I grasping?....... To go back to my original comments it was to simply point out that I didn't think that "THE MANAGEMENT" at the time thought that the Images were that bad! and that some day we would get EIC on DVD. I was speaking figuretively and merely speculated, no hidden meaning, grasping or conspiracy theory. Just a toss away comment you seem to have taken exception to and found way to much meaning in.

[Davey]

I heard these performances on the ablum ;) long before I saw them, and had no idea just from listening that Elvis was in such bad shape. This is testament to Elvis' ability to pour himself into performances right to the end. The version of My Way from EIC is definitive to me, I've never cared for Sinatra's version after hearing Elvis' EIC one.

Re. refusing to listen to Elvis in 1977 because of not wanting to listen to a dying man. Johnny Cash's video for Hurt is a shocking portrait of a man at the end of his life (through old age) and EIC is the same for Elvis, even though Hurt was filmed in the knowledge that Cash wasn't long for this world and EIC was filmed when Elvis was young by comparison. This doesn't make Cash's video (or his last few years of often stunning performances) invalid, because he was raging against the dying light and the same applies to Elvis. Both gain extra power from knowing the trials they were going through at the time.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Well said!

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I heard these performances on the ablum ;) long before I saw them, and had no idea just from listening that Elvis was in such bad shape. This is testament to Elvis' ability to pour himself into performances right to the end. The version of My Way from EIC is definitive to me, I've never cared for Sinatra's version after hearing Elvis' EIC one.

Re. refusing to listen to Elvis in 1977 because of not wanting to listen to a dying man. Johnny Cash's video for Hurt is a shocking portrait of a man at the end of his life (through old age) and EIC is the same for Elvis, even though Hurt was filmed in the knowledge that Cash wasn't long for this world and EIC was filmed when Elvis was young by comparison. This doesn't make Cash's video (or his last few years of often stunning performances) invalid, because he was raging against the dying light and the same applies to Elvis. Both gain extra power from knowing the trials they were going through at the time.

I think your right, there is a strength from pain.

[Leroy]

I would like to add something to this discussion although a lot has been said already. I have watched both concerts (Omaha & Rapid City) in a very bad quality. Despite that Elvis magic still breaks through. And it was not Elvis The Legend I was witnessing but Elvis The Human Being. Never ever did I saw a show in which he presented himself so vulnerable and it really was glorious to see. Okay, Elvis didn?t look the way WE wanted him to look and maybe even the way he wanted to be but it was still Elvis. And even if he would have had the looks he had back in 1972 it would be pathetic to do those movements over and over again. The way he did it now was okay like he was saying: ?Just came to see this? I?m already grown over it!?. Elvis didn?t even want to sing those songs anymore but was forced to do it because of his fans. Remember that he asked to put a ice bucket in front of the stage for fans to put requests in. What was the outcome? No one wanted to hear another opening song or maybe another medley like the Guitar Man medley from 1968. And I just can?t blame Elvis for not being able to do it straight faced.

I think that FTD would do a good job if they could release both concerts. Because it?s showing an Elvis a lot of other artists could learn from. He was there, no matter how he looked or felt. He only backed out a couple of times we he was really unable to perform.

[geordie]

[quote=geordie]Ihave just watched this concert the other day on a new d.v.d.Iknow a lot of people like this concert but im afraid im not one of them.Yes i know he still had a great voice but to see my hero embarrising himself trying to dance was too much for me .Idont think this release should be given to the general public,it would only give them more ammunition to ridicule the king.Sorry for being negative but thats how i feel. :nono:[/quote

i feel i have to i have to apologise to the elvis 77 fans in here.i have just watched a couple of hours of, elvis the final days dvd's, and it seems to me that in 77, the programme makers were out to do a hatchett job on elvis.there were many better performances on other recorded shows.
this begs the question why did they do this.
any ideas :hmm:
on the up side, ive still got the indianapolis dvd too look foward to:notworthy

[joanne]

He never embarrassed himself.

[orwell1976]

To Leroy: Nobody forced Elvis to sing those songs! Nobody forced Elvis to go onstage! And in the cbs special you don't see Elvis the human being, you see Elvis the junkie!

[mn-designs]

Orwell....nobody forced him?????:blink: hmmmm....we all know that it was the old colonel made this deal with CBS! And he only did that for the money. The spending habbits of Parker and Elvis were so high, that the parker was forced to sign that deal, no matter how bad of shape Elvis was in. We all know that Parker on some day walked into Elvis' room and saw that Elvis' head was in a bucket of ice and that he was very sick, in no shape to go on stage...the reaction of Parker? He told the bodyguards and Dokter Nick, that the man has to be on stage in the next few hours, no matter what!
Cause Parker allready tought about the money problems, when they had to cancel the concerts, and he needed that money soooooooo badly.
If only elvis had lost this colonel parker back 1976...maybe and i say maybe, Elvis lived a lot longer! He needed a long break from all those concerts, and had to come back in a much stronger way than the last 3 years of his life...but that never happend, he went on stage in june 1977 to this **** special, for the love of his fans, not for that old money man Parker.
In fact if you look back, Parker did the same thing in the 60's, he almost killed the biggest entertainer/singer in Hollywood, by letting him do the most silly movies ever made in the late 60's. And in the 70's Parker started good, letting his man made his comeback in Vegas, than the movie TTWII and than the on tour shows across the country, wich they also filmed in 1972 and that movie won a golden globe! And from there on the new york shows and as a pure Highlight the Aloha shows, a show that was watched by 1,5 billion people!! and after that show Parker made the worst mistake ever for a entertainer he put Elvis back in Vegas to do same old trick from the last 4 years..and made him a oldies act... to do hits from the past in concert for the next 4 years...instead of making a deal to do a world tour, the demand for this was so high, but the demand of money for Parker was even higher, infact it was so high that nobody could meet that price the colonel asked, even worse: He sold the complete catologue prior to 1972 back to RCA...so all the profits from the recordings prior to 1972 went to RCA instead of the artist who made those recordings famous: Elvis Presley!!!.
How stupid can you be? And 3/4 years later they needed money again...and what came of that? YES that CBS SPECIAL.

[orwell1976]

I can't blame the old colonel. He had realized that Elvis was as good as dead and so he tried to get every dollar out of him he could. Parker knew that Elvis wouldn't pull himself out like he had done so many times before. Mr. van Kuijk knew that his client was way too deep into trouble to be saved again. The only one who could have stopped that drama was Elvis himself, but he on that stage he was already lost. Parker just realized that and made the best of this situation. I don't think that he even believed that Elvis would live to the day that special was shown on tv. I really can't blame Parker, he was just realistic. Elvis could have stopped all that jazz. He could have taken a break, loan some money from the bank, sell everything he didn't need, fire all the people he didn't need and cut down his lifestyle. He could have gone into a clinic to dry out and loose weight. After six or seven month he could have made another record and played some shows. Everybody is responsable for himself. It was his fault alone. Elvis himself had screwed up his life, nobody else! Think about that.

:hmm:

[mn-designs]

Are you related to the parker family? Man you almost idolize him, parker sure did some good things in the 50's and early 60's. but killed the artist in the 70's. I have no good words about parker's deals in the 70's, why didn't elvis showed up on some talk shows? cause parker asked to much money, he only cared about himself!! And sure Elvis was the only person who could save himself, but he needed some good directions by his friends and manager, but that manager only directed him in the wrong direction. Nuff said about parker!

[Diane]

Where to even start...so many opinions given already. I have the '77 CBS VHS and have only watched it twice. It is painful to watch and see how ill Elvis was and how difficult for him to try and perform as he had for so many years. But the point to me is that he did to it to the best of his ability and no one can contest how wonderful his voice still sounded.

The whole world has already seen this concert so I don't understand why a new edited version would help. To me as a very long-standing fan, it was part of him and must be accepted as it was. Most of the fans adored him no matter what and that must have cheered him at the end.

I don't understand how anyone can defend Colonel Parker in any way, shape or form. Being a BUSINESS MAN doesn't excuse or give license to anyone to use another human being in the way he used Elvis.

Nothing will change what happened to Elvis. In my eyes he was a very innocent young man starting out brought up by a poor (not trash) (many people equate "poor" with "trash") family none of which were wordly-wise. The people who surrounded him his whole life were not wordly-wise either so in his very narrow world, where was this poor man supposed to be able to grow naturally like the rest of us?

So he was weak in the way that he couldn't get rid of the colonel when he should have. It was part of his up-bringing and we were all "brained-washed" as well in OUR up-bringing but didn't have even a fraction of the pressure he was under all his life as a performer so what makes any of us think we would have done better?

Give the man credit for his beauty, his talents, his loving nature and let the rest be!!!!!

[EnigmaticSun]

I think you're right, Diane - the Colonel has exploited Elvis.. It's a bit sour - I'm a Dutchman myself, and a person from my country is responsible for Elvis' problems.

I think that the CBS Special is great - he's sweating a lot and having problems with articulating; but the singing voice is great! Elvis still was a beautiful man; he also showed he could play both the guitar ?nd the piano.

[Menwithbrokenhearts]

The accoustic section was great in my opinion. I saw him do an acoustic section in mid 1976, with "That's Allright", "Blue Christmas" and one other, and it was great! He was a little heavy then but when I saw him on the CBS special it made me cry( I was twelve and Elvis was my hero). I liked the music and played the album quite a bit. I rewatched this special for the first time this year and it was extremely difficult to watch. There are some highlights, (Unchained, My Way, How Great Thou Art, Hurt) , but overall it is tough to listen to also. I hear it and see it and it makes me deeply sad to see him trying to please his fans and in so much pain and discomfort ( even with the drugs, it had to be almost unbearable!) and to hear him belt out some of those songs is quite a feat. He definately did this for the fans. I heard that he said backstage before this concert (Man, How do I get myself into these things?) I don't think he wanted to do it, but like always he put his best foot forward and got on with it without complaint. The movies were the same way. You've got to respect a man that has that level of committment to his obligations and fans.