PETA asks to lease Circle G Ranch

[presley31]

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wrote a letter Wednesday proposing to lease Elvis Presley's old Circle G Ranch in Horn Lake for use as a "Don't Be Cruel Educational Center" for children. "This would be a good way to let kids know the truth about how cows are suffering before they're turned into burgers or blue suede shoes," said PETA spokesman Ashley Byrne of Washington. The Circle G Ranch went up for sale a month ago with an asking price of $6.5 million, said real estate agent Rodger Motz, representing property owner Dennis McLemore. Motz said the current owner had looked into several uses for the land, including as a resort property or a residential development. Motz said it now is zoned for planned unit development, although McLemore keeps cattle on the land. He said he isn't sure how many cattle McLemore has. "I didn't count them, but there are a bunch of Black Angus." Motz said he has had inquiries from potential buyers across the United States and Europe, but is not close to agreeing to terms with anyone. And he said McLemore is "not interested in leasing it to those people," referring to PETA.

Source:http://www.elvismatters.com/index.php?pagina=nieuws&id=2940

[franny]

Thanks, for posting Jen. (y) Interesting to read.
I wonder what will become of Circle G Ranch.

franny

[Lonniebealestreet]

Just read this elsewhere a bit ago but thanks, Jen.

Regardless of what you feel personally about this organization, FACT is Elvis would have told them where they can build their educational center. Just sayin'. And I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans and have given such diets a try for a while myself. But Elvis was Elvis and while I'm sure he would like for the beef he consumed to have come from cattle that were treated ethically and lived a life of dignity, he still was going to enjoy his burgers.

Then there's this. From the Commercial Appeal article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/oct/22/peta-asks-to-lease-elvis-02/) (not cited in its entirety by ElvisMatters):


In the letter to McLemore (the Circle G owner), PETA executive vice president Tracy Reiman said that "in honor of the King and cows, PETA would like to turn the ranch into a 'Don't Be Cruel' center to educate students about how smart and sensitive the animals we eat really are, and why a vegan diet (no meat, no eggs and no dairy) is kindest for animals, the Earth and even our own arteries. Elvis would have benefited from going vegan, that's for sure."

Sounded kinda like a dig, didn't it? Not exactly Elvis fans there, are they?

[franny]

Elvis would have benefited from going vegan, that's for sure." Sounded kinda like a dig, didn't it? Not exactly Elvis fans there, are they?

I wouldn't consider them Elvis fans, either. (n) That was a cheap on there part..Thanks, for posting more info Bobby. (y)

This may be off-topic, but meat is actually recommended for those who have diabetes..

franny

[Genie]

Just read this elsewhere a bit ago but thanks, Jen.

Regardless of what you feel personally about this organization, FACT is Elvis would have told them where they can build their educational center. Just sayin'. And I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans and have given such diets a try for a while myself. But Elvis was Elvis and while I'm sure he would like for the beef he consumed to have come from cattle that were treated ethically and lived a life of dignity, he still was going to enjoy his burgers.

Then there's this. From the Commercial Appeal article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/oct/22/peta-asks-to-lease-elvis-02/) (not cited in its entirety by ElvisMatters):


In the letter to McLemore (the Circle G owner), PETA executive vice president Tracy Reiman said that "in honor of the King and cows, PETA would like to turn the ranch into a 'Don't Be Cruel' center to educate students about how smart and sensitive the animals we eat really are, and why a vegan diet (no meat, no eggs and no dairy) is kindest for animals, the Earth and even our own arteries. Elvis would have benefited from going vegan, that's for sure."

Sounded kinda like a dig, didn't it? Not exactly Elvis fans there, are they?


:doh: It didn't sound like a dig, it sounds like a great idea, but pardon me I am a member of Peta and the US humane Society... I also do not push my beliefs on others, my brother whom I love dearly eats Hambugers as if they were the only food made in America. :lmfao:
I took animal Science, I saw things I never want to see or think about as long as I live. Peta has as well. If only people understood, the part that hurts so bad, is "To be born....to die?"
Like the japanese, waling and the dolphins swim right up ti their miserable ships, happily playing and loving, to be speared and cut open on the spot!
Yes, a member of green Peace also. Beautiful baby seals, all white and snowy, bludged to death in front of the mothers who can do nothing to help them. If the fathers, the giant bulls involve themselves, they are shot and killed.(n)
The free beautiful animals in the rain forest are smuggled in to live their lives in a cage.
Animals are tortured in the name of human medical research.
So much that people don't want to know, or don't care about. Still again, I wouldn't push my feelings on Elvis or anyone else. But they need to know what is happening, before they condem what Peta is trying to accomplish.
Respectfully,
~Genie

[Brian]

I didn't take it as a dig

I just thought they meant if Elvis had at healthier foods like vegetables and took better care of himself he could've lived longer.

PETA is using Elvis to promote their agenda though

[Raised on Rock]

Just as a side note: I'm not a vegetarian or vegan or whatever you call it, although I got nothing against them. I do believe though, on a balanced diet. Anyhow despite I do eat meat, I do believe there are ways to treat animals and ways we should not.

I don't think we all should be vegans, (I don't think we all shouldn't), but I do believe there are ways to treat animals, actually, for us meat eaters, I do believe that there are more respectful and caring ways to treat the animals that will feed us, and for the benefit of both. Unnecessary cruelty should be avoided, needles to say unnecessary killing.

Mr. Presley was by far not a vegan, but he did was an animal friendly person, he loved to have dozens of pets around, and he seemed to be most caring about them. So I tend to think that, as long as this will not be one of those hippies going fascism thing, meaning by that one of those: we should all live like this, eat like this, think like this or else you are scumbag, but a learning center aimed at kids, just about to be compassionate and respectful about animals, regardless of our situation on the feeding chain, he might have supported that.

[jak]

PETA does have some valid points.The problem is that they take it to extremism.People should eat meat.It's natural.Actually any M.D. will tell you that it's important to have meat in youre diet.People are part of the food chain just like animals.What needs to stop is cruel and pointless inhumane treament of animals.I gave up hunting long ago.However I dont think it's wrong.The same for fishing which PETA would ban.Animals are a resource no matter how you look at it.Im not sure having PETA associated with Elvis is a good idea.I dont think EPE would want to alienate anybody by doing that.

To Genie
I do think it's good you support many organizations for animal rights.The animals do need a voice.Im sure we share many of the same concerns.

[wildflower]

PETA does have some valid points.The problem is that they take it to extremism.People should eat meat.It's natural.Actually any M.D. will tell you that it's important to have meat in youre diet.People are part of the food chain just like animals.What needs to stop is cruel and pointless inhumane treament of animals.I gave up hunting long ago.However I dont think it's wrong.The same for fishing which PETA would ban.Animals are a resource no matter how you look at it.Im not sure having PETA associated with Elvis is a good idea.I dont think EPE would want to alienate anybody by doing that.

To Genie
I do think it's good you support many organizations for animal rights.The animals do need a voice.Im sure we share many of the same concerns.
I have to disagree with you there, jak- I have been on a vegan diet for many years and it's NOT necessary or necessarily natural for humans to eat meat, and my boyfriend is a M. D. (not on a vegan diet) and he agrees that humans are doing fine without eating animal products and meat-eating is not healthier or more natural than not eating meat. I'm not militant about my diet and I don't like people to impose their own life choices on others- and I never impose my choices on others. But i think there are very good reasons in this world to rethink the way we live and eat and there's no harm in educating children where their food comes from and what we are doing to our environment... I have met children who didn't even know that a cow has to be pregnant to give milk etc...
Elvis was definitely a meat-eater and I love Elvis to bits and would not questions his own life choices (although it's surely true that healthier food could have helped with his health issues)... I dont think PETA tries to use Elvis' name any more than millions of others do and I think Elvis would have been up for giving children education on life-quality and life-style choices.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think it should be an educated one.
Anyways, that's what I think... I don't think PETA is always right in what they are doing and I don't support militant views in any direction, but I guess it needed a bit more militant people in the first place to make everyone aware of what we are doing to our world, nature, animals etc...

wildflower
xxx

[Getlo]

PETA started off with good intentions but - like that other revolting organisation Greenpeace - it has been hijacked by militants who have no idea what they're on about.

Can you imagine a world full of disease and pestilence if we didn't test some treatments on animals first? We'd be destroyed.

That stupid rant against Obama when he squashed that fly live on TV was the last straw.

Screw PETA!

[Lonniebealestreet]

Yes. It is hard to not be moved by some of the videos PETA has made...and be appalled and sickened by the way animals are treated by some. I also think it is unfortunate that the industrialization of the cattle industry among others makes for less than ideal living situations for these animals. Luckily there is something of a backlash against this type of thing, though of course it will be a long time before there is considerable reform on a broad level; the demand for these products has dictated the situation that we're in. I am speaking of that in America, of course. I don't presume to know how things are in this regard elsewhere.

Anyway, to be compassionate about animals or even to live a vegan lifestyle does not mean you should or must support PETA...just as not supporting PETA doesn't mean you don't care.

I'll concede that comment might not have been a dig. I think it could have been worded better so as not to give that impression though. They just don't sound like Elvis fans, that's all. And that's fine. If they want to lease the land and the landowner approves, that's their prerogative. My preference would be to see something a little more true to Elvis happen there. That Elvis was an animal lover in no way indicates he would be supportive of the stances and actions of that organization.

JMHO, peeps.

Meanwhile, I'm scrounging up the $6.5 to buy the place and prevent this from happening. ;)

[Diane]

I'm a staunch animal lover but too many of these organizations go overboard into fanaticism.....and I do think that was a cheap shot at Elvis.

Diane

[Genie]

PETA does have some valid points.The problem is that they take it to extremism.People should eat meat.It's natural.Actually any M.D. will tell you that it's important to have meat in youre diet.People are part of the food chain just like animals.What needs to stop is cruel and pointless inhumane treament of animals.I gave up hunting long ago.However I dont think it's wrong.The same for fishing which PETA would ban.Animals are a resource no matter how you look at it.Im not sure having PETA associated with Elvis is a good idea.I dont think EPE would want to alienate anybody by doing that.

To Genie
I do think it's good you support many organizations for animal rights.The animals do need a voice.Im sure we share many of the same concerns.



Thank you Jak. I see both sides of the coin, however some of the things they feed the animals for human food consumption contain things we should not be eating. It would shock you. Protien in peanut butter, nuts, beans is just as healthy, probably not as tasty. Don't even anyone ask me what is in a hot dog! :supriced: I received a degree, top of my class, but how many times I threw up can't be counted. The day I sat with twin born calves, opening their eyes to see their mother and the grass and the sun, I was loving life, forgetting about a lot of what I had seen.
The owner of the farm then informed me, unless I had a huge yard, not to get attactched, at 3 weeks they were off to be slaughtered. I kissed them, (that was 1971) got in my truck, and cried all the way home.
My brother was having a BBQ for friends, and we still laugh a bit after all these years,when he asked what I wanted. I snapped back "TWO BABY CALVES" :blink:He was stunned, said: "Man, you're really hungry." and I assured him I was Really "MAD"

[Genie]

PETA started off with good intentions but - like that other revolting organisation Greenpeace - it has been hijacked by militants who have no idea what they're on about.

Can you imagine a world full of disease and pestilence if we didn't test some treatments on animals first? We'd be destroyed.

That stupid rant against Obama when he squashed that fly live on TV was the last straw.

Screw PETA!

Getlo,
I'm not a fanatic or a crazy woman. If the President or anyone else wants to swat a fly, :notworthy so be it. These organisations mean well. Chasing the japanese out of our restricted water while they are trying to kill a whale is not actually considered militant, but very brave. We can't do it all, but when they break the law Greenpeace goes after them. (y) a fly? Sorry, I wont loose any sleep over that one..lol

[debtdbruno]

Just as a side note: I'm not a vegetarian or vegan or whatever you call it, although I got nothing against them. I do believe though, on a balanced diet. Anyhow despite I do eat meat, I do believe there are ways to treat animals and ways we should not.

I don't think we all should be vegans, (I don't think we all shouldn't), but I do believe there are ways to treat animals, actually, for us meat eaters, I do believe that there are more respectful and caring ways to treat the animals that will feed us, and for the benefit of both. Unnecessary cruelty should be avoided, needles to say unnecessary killing.

Mr. Presley was by far not a vegan, but he did was an animal friendly person, he loved to have dozens of pets around, and he seemed to be most caring about them. So I tend to think that, as long as this will not be one of those hippies going fascism thing, meaning by that one of those: we should all live like this, eat like this, think like this or else you are scumbag, but a learning center aimed at kids, just about to be compassionate and respectful about animals, regardless of our situation on the feeding chain, he might have supported that.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Wonder Of You]

to be true
ok it mayb a good place to show kids about suffering animals etc.
but no i wouldnt want it to turn into a Don't be cruel ranch
as its just a part of Graceland
and its a part of elvis its a historical place

[Merry]

PETA is using Elvis to promote their agenda though



That's what the world is about these days. I don't know the in's and out's of PETA, however, from an article I read, they were putting a bid in to buy Seaworld (for more assets), too. They said they'd let go of the marine animals - can you imagine? They'd all die. Terrible.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/08/peta-to-buy-sea-world.php

It seems that in this new world, so many corporations and businesses have the mind set that it's always about $$$$ and hiding behind masks, (wolf in sheep's clothing) expecting the general public to believe. (n)

Australia too, has gone this way (n) (A handshake used to be a deal (y))

[Raised on Rock]

Anyway, to be compassionate about animals or even to live a vegan lifestyle does not mean you should or must support PETA...just as not supporting PETA doesn't mean you don't care.

100% agree



Elvis was an animal lover in no way indicates he would be supportive of the stances and actions of that organization.

Never said Elvis would be supportive of Peta or something similar, but that he would may be supportive of some other kind of organization, more close to his own believes, that would want to educate children about respect and smart caring towards animals and nature.

[Genie]

I have to disagree with you there, jak- I have been on a vegan diet for many years and it's NOT necessary or necessarily natural for humans to eat meat, and my boyfriend is a M. D. (not on a vegan diet) and he agrees that humans are doing fine without eating animal products and meat-eating is not healthier or more natural than not eating meat. I'm not militant about my diet and I don't like people to impose their own life choices on others- and I never impose my choices on others. But i think there are very good reasons in this world to rethink the way we live and eat and there's no harm in educating children where their food comes from and what we are doing to our environment... I have met children who didn't even know that a cow has to be pregnant to give milk etc...
Elvis was definitely a meat-eater and I love Elvis to bits and would not questions his own life choices (although it's surely true that healthier food could have helped with his health issues)... I dont think PETA tries to use Elvis' name any more than millions of others do and I think Elvis would have been up for giving children education on life-quality and life-style choices.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think it should be an educated one.
Anyways, that's what I think... I don't think PETA is always right in what they are doing and I don't support militant views in any direction, but I guess it needed a bit more militant people in the first place to make everyone aware of what we are doing to our world, nature, animals etc...

wildflower
xxx
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Great Post WildFlower.

[jak]

I have to disagree with you there, jak- I have been on a vegan diet for many years and it's NOT necessary or necessarily natural for humans to eat meat, and my boyfriend is a M. D. (not on a vegan diet) and he agrees that humans are doing fine without eating animal products and meat-eating is not healthier or more natural than not eating meat. I'm not militant about my diet and I don't like people to impose their own life choices on others- and I never impose my choices on others. But i think there are very good reasons in this world to rethink the way we live and eat and there's no harm in educating children where their food comes from and what we are doing to our environment... I have met children who didn't even know that a cow has to be pregnant to give milk etc...
Elvis was definitely a meat-eater and I love Elvis to bits and would not questions his own life choices (although it's surely true that healthier food could have helped with his health issues)... I dont think PETA tries to use Elvis' name any more than millions of others do and I think Elvis would have been up for giving children education on life-quality and life-style choices.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think it should be an educated one.
Anyways, that's what I think... I don't think PETA is always right in what they are doing and I don't support militant views in any direction, but I guess it needed a bit more militant people in the first place to make everyone aware of what we are doing to our world, nature, animals etc...

wildflower
xxx

I can only go by my own experiences.I'v ebeen under a cardiologists care for two years now.Supposedly one of the best around here.He has made it perfectly clear that meat needs to be in my diet and should not be eliminated.My regular MD tells me the same.They tell me it's a greta misconception that meat is bad for you.You just dont eat a big steak every night.
My sister was a vegetarian for years.Ended up with several defiicienies in her blood as a result.Her doc told her she should hav ebeen taking supplements the whole time.The bottom line is that meat is good for us in moderation.
I must say again.Eating meat is natural.It's why we have incissors and our teeth are the way they are.We are not meant to be herbivore's.Take a look at anthroplogy and go back thousands and thousands of years.Men were and are foragers.Meat meant survival.I think in today's "civilized" world that is sometimes forgotten.We have elevated ourselves to such a lofty posistion.At one time hunting and fishing meant the difference between life and death for people.To say that eating meat isnt natural for mankind just doesnt hold up to the facts IMO.

[Genie]

I can only go by my own experiences.I'v ebeen under a cardiologists care for two years now.Supposedly one of the best around here.He has made it perfectly clear that meat needs to be in my diet and should not be eliminated.My regular MD tells me the same.They tell me it's a greta misconception that meat is bad for you.You just dont eat a big steak every night.
My sister was a vegetarian for years.Ended up with several defiicienies in her blood as a result.Her doc told her she should hav ebeen taking supplements the whole time.The bottom line is that meat is good for us in moderation.
I must say again.Eating meat is natural.It's why we have incissors and our teeth are the way they are.We are not meant to be herbivore's.Take a look at anthroplogy and go back thousands and thousands of years.Men were and are foragers.Meat meant survival.I think in today's "civilized" world that is sometimes forgotten.We have elevated ourselves to such a lofty posistion.At one time hunting and fishing meant the difference between life and death for people.To say that eating meat isnt natural for mankind just doesnt hold up to the facts IMO.


:blush:Well, Jak I must say you are a very polite and ethical person. You don't attack just because you disagree. That is refreshing.
But having been in the field of both animal and human medicine, (not to say your wrong, or your Dr's) we call our teeth, at least the front canine, eye-teeth..now canine coming from the latin wolf or carnivour indicates these vampire like teeth which are designed to rip and tear apart the prey, for survival of course. What wild animal can go to the grocery store?
Somewhere in history some people who were defending the right to kill and eat animals, some of which are not even carnivores themselves! Got this all mixed up.
We as human beings, have eyeteeth, mainly for tearing corn, nuts, breads and fruits like apples. Humans can be carnivoris if this is their choice, but look at your average dog and cat; They are definately carnivores. Unless we resemble vampire bats, we are not.:lmfao: I guess I could be mistaken for one, to some here. lol
Deer do not eat humans, Bovine do not eat humans and so forth, porcine family, yes some will eat a dead human if starving. Canines, felines, yes if starving.(ugh..and I have a house full) poor little chickens, (foul) ducks, they might nibble a bug or two but wouldn't think of eating you or I...
Am I anywhere near why we have teeth, that do not resemble any carnivore including the great sharks and gators?
Luv ya for your patience with me...

[jak]

First off I see no reason why this topic cant be discussed in a friendly matter.A deer or cow doesnt eat meat because they are not omnivore's.Their teeth are designed to mash organic matter.A cow's digestive tract is designed to suit it diet.That's my point.Evolution has determined these things.These days we have all the options in the world when it comes to our diet.In times past that certainly wasnt the case.It wasnt that long ago actually that werent grocery stores with nice organic selections and so forth.People had to live off what they foraged.Just go back 100 or 200 years.Youre very life and well being depended on youre hunting and fishing skills.Look at the native American Indians.The plains indians whole lives revolved around buffalo herds.They utilized every part of it.It fed them,it clothed them.Being a vegetarian wasnt an option unless you wanted to freeze to death.How do you think those people clothed themselves?It was animal hides.They couldnt go into a store and buy synthetic fabrics.We could talk about the Eskimo population as well.They couldnt survive without hunting.No way no how.Walrus for meat,oil for heating.It goes on and on.Dont get me wrong.I love animals.I just realize that mankind has always been part of the food chain.We just happen to sit on top of it.Animal utilization has and always be part of our lives.Cruel and harsh treatment of animals crosses the line.I would never condone that.

[Diane]

First off I see no reason why this topic cant be discussed in a friendly matter.A deer or cow doesnt eat meat because they are not omnivore's.Their teeth are designed to mash organic matter.A cow's digestive tract is designed to suit it diet.That's my point.Evolution has determined these things.These days we have all the options in the world when it comes to our diet.In times past that certainly wasnt the case.It wasnt that long ago actually that werent grocery stores with nice organic selections and so forth.People had to live off what they foraged.Just go back 100 or 200 years.Youre very life and well being depended on youre hunting and fishing skills.Look at the native American Indians.The plains indians whole lives revolved around buffalo herds.They utilized every part of it.It fed them,it clothed them.Being a vegetarian wasnt an option unless you wanted to freeze to death.How do you think those people clothed themselves?It was animal hides.They couldnt go into a store and buy synthetic fabrics.We could talk about the Eskimo population as well.They couldnt survive without hunting.No way no how.Walrus for meat,oil for heating.It goes on and on.Dont get me wrong.I love animals.I just realize that mankind has always been part of the food chain.We just happen to sit on top of it.Animal utilization has and always be part of our lives.Cruel and harsh treatment of animals crosses the line.I would never condone that.

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Diane

[Genie]

First off I see no reason why this topic cant be discussed in a friendly matter.A deer or cow doesnt eat meat because they are not omnivore's.Their teeth are designed to mash organic matter.A cow's digestive tract is designed to suit it diet.That's my point.Evolution has determined these things.These days we have all the options in the world when it comes to our diet.In times past that certainly wasnt the case.It wasnt that long ago actually that werent grocery stores with nice organic selections and so forth.People had to live off what they foraged.Just go back 100 or 200 years.Youre very life and well being depended on youre hunting and fishing skills.Look at the native American Indians.The plains indians whole lives revolved around buffalo herds.They utilized every part of it.It fed them,it clothed them.Being a vegetarian wasnt an option unless you wanted to freeze to death.How do you think those people clothed themselves?It was animal hides.They couldnt go into a store and buy synthetic fabrics.We could talk about the Eskimo population as well.They couldnt survive without hunting.No way no how.Walrus for meat,oil for heating.It goes on and on.Dont get me wrong.I love animals.I just realize that mankind has always been part of the food chain.We just happen to sit on top of it.Animal utilization has and always be part of our lives.Cruel and harsh treatment of animals crosses the line.I would never condone that.


;) You are certainly correct about the American Indian and their loving life style before they were forced to live the white mans laws... I have sat with my family looking at photo's and listening to stories of how hard the "Trail of Tears" was. My exception of course will always be the American Indian.
There again, they had little else to eat, to keep warm, to survive.
We today, have many options. :hmm: But to each his own, be true.
You're one really nice man.

[hounddog]

I used to be a vegetarian, now I'm not. I became wheat sensitive and then I had to cut back on soy so I had to change my diet.

My doctor was convinced the reason I had anaemia was because I was a vegetarian.

Well eating meat didn't fix or stop the problem. For me I have a problem with my cells and digestion they don't absorb nutrition they way they should. I've had issues with anaemia all my life.

So I still have had iron shots after I stooped being a vegi. And now I take a bunch of sups that my body doesn't make. I think sometimes Dr's focus on the vegetarian aspect rather than looking for another reason for why some people have nutritional deficiencies.

I know mine have including the specialist I have seen. Now they all concluded my problem is due to poor cell production.

But if you are a vegi you do have to do it right and make sure you combine proteins to get everything you need and make sure you get your iron and b12 in your diet. I know someone who has been a vegi for 31 years and she is in fine health. All her blood work is normal. It was her who told me being a vegi means work, you have to make sure you know how to get what your body needs or you'll get sick. I think she is right but that's the same for all of us meat eaters or vegi's.

[jak]

"But if you are a vegi you do have to do it right and make sure you combine proteins to get everything you need and make sure you get your iron and b12 in your diet. I know someone who has been a vegi for 31 years and she is in fine health. All her blood work is normal. It was her who told me being a vegi means work, you have to make sure you know how to get what your body needs or you'll get sick. I think she is right but that's the same for all of us meat eaters or vegi's"

This is what happened to my sister.I think it was the b12 that got her if I remember right.She has now added meat into her diet and everything is ok.

[hounddog]

back to the original topic, why doesn't EPE buy the Circle G and make it part of the "Elvis tour"?

Has anyone from EPE said anything about any interest from their end?

[Brian]

back to the original topic, why doesn't EPE buy the Circle G and make it part of the "Elvis tour"?

Has anyone from EPE said anything about any interest from their end?

I think they just aren't interested.

[jak]

back to the original topic, why doesn't EPE buy the Circle G and make it part of the "Elvis tour"?

Has anyone from EPE said anything about any interest from their end?

To much money and to far from the main attraction to make it practical.Only diehards even know about the ranch.I dont think it could pay for itself.

[4THEHEART]

I'm the only vegetarian in my family and my health hasn't harmed by being so and I don't believe we should eat meat.Yet my reason not eating animals is not healthwise it's only because I don't see them as my food and am so mad how badly they are treated around the globe.They're not protected by law as some people may think because I know how offficially they are killed and that's why militant views are needed at the end. Even cats and dogs are killed in extreme cruelty in some countries to be consumed, still no one cares or only very little cares,I know how city municipality(in the city I live) killed 55 puppies last week for no reason and they can continue this as long as they don't afraid of being punished.that's how extremist or militant feelings are appears in people's minds or hearts.As for Elvis,well, who knows in time he could've learned much more about the cruelty level the human uses against animals in every corner of the world and had his own mind on this matter as we all did..I can't judge him by not being completely aware of the situation in his time those were the times everything was much more covered than today.. life teaches,time teaches.Peta or not we should act for other creature's rights we shared this planet.At the end we are the guilty part who turned the earth into a hell with our so called intelligent minds.

[wildflower]

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Great Post WildFlower.
Thanks Genie :D

wildflower
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[wildflower]

I can only go by my own experiences.I'v ebeen under a cardiologists care for two years now.Supposedly one of the best around here.He has made it perfectly clear that meat needs to be in my diet and should not be eliminated.My regular MD tells me the same.They tell me it's a greta misconception that meat is bad for you.You just dont eat a big steak every night.
My sister was a vegetarian for years.Ended up with several defiicienies in her blood as a result.Her doc told her she should hav ebeen taking supplements the whole time.The bottom line is that meat is good for us in moderation.
I must say again.Eating meat is natural.It's why we have incissors and our teeth are the way they are.We are not meant to be herbivore's.Take a look at anthroplogy and go back thousands and thousands of years.Men were and are foragers.Meat meant survival.I think in today's "civilized" world that is sometimes forgotten.We have elevated ourselves to such a lofty posistion.At one time hunting and fishing meant the difference between life and death for people.To say that eating meat isnt natural for mankind just doesnt hold up to the facts IMO.
Hi jak,
as i said- i dont mean to offend anyone or claim that your opinion is wrong- and i understand that you trust your MD just as I trust mine... three are just as many studies out there claiming that man should eat meat as there are studies saying that meat is not necessary... my opinion is that you should get all the information and then choose whatever feels right for you... if you feel that you should eat meat and your MD says you should then i would be the last person on this planet to advise you otherwise, but i just dont believe that there is a general yes or no in this debate. As i said i have been living without eating any animal products for many many years, i get a full medical check up every year due to my job and my MD tells me that i'm the healthiest person he has ever met... i haven't been ill in years, not even a proper cold, so i feel confident that the diet i have chosen is right for my body. there are many peoples on this planet where vegetarian or vegan diets are part of their culture and no one would claim that they are less healthy.
if meat is the way to go for you then it's the way for you.

i still think that people should take more responsibility for what they are doing to the planet and there's no harm in buying ethical meat as there's no harm in buying organic vegetables or fairtrade foods.

take care,
wildflower
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[KPM]

If it helps young people to learn to respect animals a little more and to treat all things as humanely as you can-I think its a great thing.

[May]

I have to disagree with you there, jak- I have been on a vegan diet for many years and it's NOT necessary or necessarily natural for humans to eat meat,

wildflower
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I agree. My mum is a vegetarian and has never in her life eaten meat. She is one of the healthiest people I know and she certainly isnt fanatic about what she eats either.

Lots of people say "my goodness, what DOES she eat" - like there is nothing else in this world apart from meat :doh: that just smacks of ignorance in my book. Also, she never seems to have colds and I can probably count on one finger how often she has been ill in her life! And she is in her mid sixties. (y)

I dont eat a lot of meat. When I do buy it, I always buy the free range, British meat as meat from other European countries dont have the same standards that British meat does, even if it means paying more money.

[wildflower]

I agree. My mum is a vegetarian and has never in her life eaten meat. She is one of the healthiest people I know and she certainly isnt fanatic about what she eats either.

Lots of people say "my goodness, what DOES she eat" - like there is nothing else in this world apart from meat :doh: that just smacks of ignorance in my book. Also, she never seems to have colds and I can probably count on one finger how often she has been ill in her life! And she is in her mid sixties. (y)

I dont eat a lot of meat. When I do buy it, I always buy the free range, British meat as meat from other European countries dont have the same standards that British meat does, even if it means paying more money.
Completely agree with you there, May- great post (y)

wildflower
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[Genie]

I would also like to clear up a mistake on my part without thinking, Lupus is an illness, although it is latin for wolf. I left that part out since we were basically talking carnivores and not human illness.
I am not a vegan. But I get plenty nutrition from milk, eggs and cottage cheese, peanut butter, yogurt, soup....just nothing with meat. If it swam, walked the earth, had babies, looked at the stars, it will not be going into my mouth. Sorry for the update, didn't intend to restart a serious subject.

[Getlo]

I love animals

Me too.

With a nice sauce and vegetables on a plate!

[May]

Completely agree with you there, May- great post (y)

wildflower
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Cheers wildflower! :cheers:

[debtdbruno]

Me too.

With a nice sauce and vegetables on a plate!


Awwwwww.......Getlo:lmfao::lmfao:
That's awful..LMAO

Depends on which meat and sauce????

[jak]

Me too.

With a nice sauce and vegetables on a plate!

I use to cook my squirrels in the crock pot.Quite tasty.

[Diane]

I use to cook my squirrels in the crock pot.Quite tasty.

Now I'm getting sick....:lol:

Diane

[jak]

Now I'm getting sick....:lol:

Diane

Dont knock it until you try it.Tastes like chicken;)

[Donut]

Now I'm getting sick....:lol:

Diane

Me too, they are like cute rats to me :lol:

[May]

Like Carrie Bradshaw said on Sex & The City - squirrels are rats with fancy outfits!

Actually, contrary to popular beliefs and opinions, rats are very sociable friendly rodents! A friend of mine had one (Rosie!) and I said I wouldnt go round there if they let her out of her cage. I did though and she was a lovely little animal. Bless her!

[Diane]

Dont knock it until you try it.Tastes like chicken;)

Where have I heard that before?:lol: I was told that when I was handed some barbequed rabbit to eat and they lied. We need to do something about your culinary tastes Jak.:'(

Squirrels are in the rodent family Donut, maybe that's why they look like cute rats.:lol:

Diane

[debtdbruno]

my dog thinks they're the bees knees..........his favourite past-time chasing them........

[jak]

Where have I heard that before?:lol: I was told that when I was handed some barbequed rabbit to eat and they lied. We need to do something about your culinary tastes Jak.:'(

Squirrels are in the rodent family Donut, maybe that's why they look like cute rats.:lol:

Diane

Diane
Go ahead and admit that rabbitt was delicous.I use to eat them all the time.

[KPM]

My mom tells a story of my eating at a barbecue at my grandpas house in the 50s she asked him what meat he was cooking on the barbecue-he told her rabbit, pork steak and hamburgers, when they ate she tried the "rabbit" and she told him she liked it-he then told her it was really raccoon-and she says she and my aunt got up and ran to the outhouse-to barf.:lmfao:

[Diane]

Diane
Go ahead and admit that rabbitt was delicous.I use to eat them all the time.

Can't do it Jeff, haven't eaten one since....BUT, prime rib and wild pheasant or domestic turkey is a whole 'nother deal.:lol:

Diane

[Diane]

My mom tells a story of my eating at a barbecue at my grandpas house in the 50s she asked him what meat he was cooking on the barbecue-he told her rabbit, pork steak and hamburgers, when they ate she tried the "rabbit" and she told him she liked it-he then told her it was really raccoon-and she says she and my aunt got up and ran to the outhouse-to barf.:lmfao:

I would have beat them to it:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Diane

[Genie]

Like Carrie Bradshaw said on Sex & The City - squirrels are rats with fancy outfits!

Actually, contrary to popular beliefs and opinions, rats are very sociable friendly rodents! A friend of mine had one (Rosie!) and I said I wouldnt go round there if they let her out of her cage. I did though and she was a lovely little animal. Bless her!

:doh:

It is such a pity that many people do not value the smallest of creatures. One of my jobs is to go to every store that sells those glue sheets, and if you could only imagine that your only crime was to be hungry, suddenly the mouse, or rat? is permanantly trapped, to look about the room, may had babies to return to and they will chew their foot off to escape this totally inhumane way of killing mice.
Of course then they bleed to death. My brother tried with all his powers that be to cut and free the mouse he caught. He cut around the tiny feet and just hoped it would survive. He called to say OMG! Sis I didn't know, now that I have seen, it was the most pitiful thing I have done, but will never do again.
I go to pet stores, to show children that because something may appear to be ugly, it is a living creature. Such as the horn ribbed lizard, not proper name, but it eludes me at the moment. The Geko and even the albino python which is the store mascot. The Tarantula is pretty and fuzzy but I admit I avoid unless pushed to do it, :lmfao: I can't represent PETA and appear freaked out by a perfectly harmless little thing that even gives me the creeps.The point I always make is you don't have to like them, not all in the wild are friendly, so don't be quick to touch. Just respect it is one of God's creatures, and most of them are completely harmless.
Does anyone know that pigs are considered smarter than dogs? Rats are very affectionate, and it goes without saying, I have had a room just for Hamsters. Fancy ones, plain ones.
The safest way to teach a child not to harm, is to be at ground level, they tend to toss whatever is scarey. Such as a small turtle. How I wish I could make people understand these animals are innocent, and either eat them, or torture them in the name of science.:blink:

[Unchained Melody]

Just read this elsewhere a bit ago but thanks, Jen.

Regardless of what you feel personally about this organization, FACT is Elvis would have told them where they can build their educational center. Just sayin'. And I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans and have given such diets a try for a while myself. But Elvis was Elvis and while I'm sure he would like for the beef he consumed to have come from cattle that were treated ethically and lived a life of dignity, he still was going to enjoy his burgers.

Then there's this. From the Commercial Appeal article (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/oct/22/peta-asks-to-lease-elvis-02/) (not cited in its entirety by ElvisMatters):

In the letter to McLemore (the Circle G owner), PETA executive vice president Tracy Reiman said that "in honor of the King and cows, PETA would like to turn the ranch into a 'Don't Be Cruel' center to educate students about how smart and sensitive the animals we eat really are, and why a vegan diet (no meat, no eggs and no dairy) is kindest for animals, the Earth and even our own arteries. Elvis would have benefited from going vegan, that's for sure."
Sounded kinda like a dig, didn't it? Not exactly Elvis fans there, are they?

It sure sounded like that to me aswell.

[May]

:doh:

It is such a pity that many people do not value the smallest of creatures. One of my jobs is to go to every store that sells those glue sheets, and if you could only imagine that your only crime was to be hungry, suddenly the mouse, or rat? is permanantly trapped, to look about the room, may had babies to return to and they will chew their foot off to escape this totally inhumane way of killing mice.
Of course then they bleed to death. My brother tried with all his powers that be to cut and free the mouse he caught. He cut around the tiny feet and just hoped it would survive. He called to say OMG! Sis I didn't know, now that I have seen, it was the most pitiful thing I have done, but will never do again.
I go to pet stores, to show children that because something may appear to be ugly, it is a living creature. Such as the horn ribbed lizard, not proper name, but it eludes me at the moment. The Geko and even the albino python which is the store mascot. The Tarantula is pretty and fuzzy but I admit I avoid unless pushed to do it, :lmfao: I can't represent PETA and appear freaked out by a perfectly harmless little thing that even gives me the creeps.The point I always make is you don't have to like them, not all in the wild are friendly, so don't be quick to touch. Just respect it is one of God's creatures, and most of them are completely harmless.
Does anyone know that pigs are considered smarter than dogs? Rats are very affectionate, and it goes without saying, I have had a room just for Hamsters. Fancy ones, plain ones.
The safest way to teach a child not to harm, is to be at ground level, they tend to toss whatever is scarey. Such as a small turtle. How I wish I could make people understand these animals are innocent, and either eat them, or torture them in the name of science.:blink:

I agree with a lot of your comments. I personally cannot understand people who torture animals for no reason. Basically its just sick.

I can never even kill a spider which I am scared sick of!