Sonny West And Elvis Movie.

[presley31]

Toronto-based music producer RLF Entertainment Properties is moving into features and is developing a pic revolving around former Elvis Presley bodyguard Sonny West.

Ricki Landers Friedlander has dubbed the new film company RLF Victor Prods.. The banner, with offices in Toronto and Los Angeles, plans to produce and fund one or two pics annually.

Cindy Friedlander has been tapped prexy of the new film company, which is developing several other celebrity bio projects in addition to the West project, "Fame & Fortune."

RLF Victor has also hired industry veteran Todd Slater to build its Los Angeles office and exec produce its slate. of films. Slater has held exec posts as Philip Anschutz Film Co., Baldwin Entertainment Group and Huntsman Entertainment.

"Fame & Fortune" will be told through eyes of Presley's friend and bodyguard, who penned with Marshall Terrill the bio "Elvis: Still Taking Care of Business." West will be a producer with the Friedlanders and a co-writer with Cindy Friedlander and Justin Scro.

Ricki Landers Friedlander jointly owns two music companies with partner Bob Gallo - R & B Music Studios and Talent Masters Ltd. in Toronto and New York. RLF Entertainment Productions owns several music catalogues and develops pop bands and single pop artists.



2009/09/14 www.elvisunlimted.com / www.epgold.com

[Brian]

I find this out over a year ago

Still no new real big developments for the project

I doubt it will get made.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=22909&highlight=Sonny+West+movie

[franny]

Thanks, for posting Jen. (y)
I hope it does get made. It could be interesting.

franny

[john carpenter]

32661Can't be any worse than David Stanley's movie(n)

[Diane]

32661Can't be any worse than David Stanley's movie(n)

No, but it could be close second.

Diane

[Brian]

Sonny West's book was okay.

if they stick to Sonny's book and his recollections, don't take a lot of historical liberties with the story and the film has a decent budget the movie could be alright.
What killed the 2005 miniseries for me was all the inaccurate things in the script and Johnathan REEk Meyers.


unfortunately the movie is to be produced by a Canadian production company i've never heard of so it will probably be low budget.

[franny]

Sonny West's book was okay.

if they stick to Sonny's book and his recollections, don't take a lot of historical liberties with the story and the film has a decent budget the movie could be alright.
What killed the 2005 miniseries for me was all the inaccurate things in the script and Johnathan REEk Meyers.


unfortunately the movie is to be produced by a Canadian production company i've never heard of so it will probably be low budget.

Just because you haven't heard of the Canadian production company, you shouldn't assume to say it will probably be low budget...and why use the word "unfortunately"...:hmm:

franny

[presley31]

Just because you haven't heard of the Canadian production company, you shouldn't assume to say it will probably be low budget...and why use the word "unfortunately"...:hmm:

franny

I was just going to post something along those lines franny :lol::lol:

[franny]

I was just going to post something along those lines franny :lol::lol:

:lol: :lol: Jen lol How can we not think the same thing, when something like that is posted, my friend..:lmfao:

franny

[Pacerstar]

I find this out over a year ago

Still no new real big developments for the project

I doubt it will get made.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=22909&highlight=Sonny+West+movie

I sincerely hope it doesn't get made. I have a strong feeling, if it does, it will be more of the same that we have already seen. JMO.:D:D:D:D

[SweetCaroline]

No, but it could be close second.

Diane

Yep areed.

[Brian]

Just because you haven't heard of the Canadian production company, you shouldn't assume to say it will probably be low budget...and why use the word "unfortunately"...:hmm:

franny


Because since i've never heard of it it's probably not a very big production company which means it will not get a distrubution deal with a major studio.
If it is indeed a small production company as I suspect it will not have a very big budget.
If it has a small budget the script and movie will probably be really crappy.

As you know Elvis movies have a tendency to not have very much money behind them and turn out to be of very poor quality.

examples Elvis and the Beauty Queen and the 2005 miniseries looked low budget to me and look at how much they are loved by the fans.

I use the word unfortunately because this movie has the potential to be good and might still suprise me, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Sweet_One_E.]

Canada is cheaper to make movies

[Tony Trout]

Toronto-based music producer RLF Entertainment Properties is moving into features and is developing a pic revolving around former Elvis Presley bodyguard Sonny West.

Ricki Landers Friedlander has dubbed the new film company RLF Victor Prods.. The banner, with offices in Toronto and Los Angeles, plans to produce and fund one or two pics annually.

Cindy Friedlander has been tapped prexy of the new film company, which is developing several other celebrity bio projects in addition to the West project, "Fame & Fortune."

RLF Victor has also hired industry veteran Todd Slater to build its Los Angeles office and exec produce its slate. of films. Slater has held exec posts as Philip Anschutz Film Co., Baldwin Entertainment Group and Huntsman Entertainment.

"Fame & Fortune" will be told through eyes of Presley's friend and bodyguard, who penned with Marshall Terrill the bio "Elvis: Still Taking Care of Business." West will be a producer with the Friedlanders and a co-writer with Cindy Friedlander and Justin Scro.

Ricki Landers Friedlander jointly owns two music companies with partner Bob Gallo - R & B Music Studios and Talent Masters Ltd. in Toronto and New York. RLF Entertainment Productions owns several music catalogues and develops pop bands and single pop artists.



2009/09/14 www.elvisunlimted.com (http://www.elvisunlimted.com) / www.epgold.com (http://www.epgold.com)


You beat me to it, Jen! :-P


Elvis bodyguard for tell-all biopic

Monday, September 14 2009, 3:17pm EDT
By Oli Simpson (http://www.tcb-world.com/#)
http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/08/17/160x120_elvis_presley.jpg Rex Features

The former bodyguard of Elvis Presley has agreed to give a tell-all account of his life with the iconic singer for a forthcoming biopic.
Presley's ex-security guard Sonny West will reveal his behind-the-scenes perspective of the troubled star's rise to fame and struggle with drug addiction in new film Fame & Fortune, reports Daily Variety.
West was employed by the musician from 1960 until 1976, one year before he suffered a fatal heart attack in his Graceland mansion.
Presley's former associate will also co-produce and co-write the movie as part of the deal signed with Toronto-based company RLF Victor Productions.





32661Can't be any worse than David Stanley's movie(n)


No, but it could be close second.

Diane


Yep areed.


I strongly disagree with all three of you very much. In spite of what people want to think of Sonny West, he truly loved Elvis and tried his ******** to help him and what did he get in return? He (along with Red and Dave Hebler) got fired for trying to save their boss's life.

What nobody wants to try to understand is that after the firing, they had no connection or way to speak with him whatsoever to possibly sort things out between the three of them and Elvis. Elvis told them supposedly that they would be hired back but...we all know what happened...and I sure as **** would trust Sonny's word a **** of a lot more than David Stanley, who is (like his mother) nothing but trash and a hemmorhoid on the Presley legacy. (n)(n)

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of all the negative talk about Sonny around here.....all one has to do is watch the DVD called, "Up Close & Personal With Sonny West" to realize how much love that this man had (and still has) for Elvis. There are stories in there that just make you want to bawl your eyes out. :'(

*leaves thread before I say something else that might get me banned*

[Pacerstar]

What nobody wants to try to understand is that after the firing, they had no connection or way to speak with him whatsoever to possibly sort things out between the three of them and Elvis.
----------------
What about the alleged taped phone conversations between Red and Elvis?

[May]

I sincerely hope it doesn't get made. I have a strong feeling, if it does, it will be more of the same that we have already seen. JMO.:D:D:D:D

Yeh, me too. Sonny West :angry:

[Unchained Melody]

Tony, man not everyone has to agree with you..I mean seriously how many movies are the so called bestfriends going to make off of Elvis..maybe they should have tried saving their boss' life BEFORE they got fired ........or wrote the book before they did instead of after they got fired.

[Jungleroom76]

Hmmm....this would CERTAINLY be interesting to see, that is for sure... :hmm:

Unfortunately though, I have to agree that what we'll get is probably a low quality production with too many liberties being taken with the story to really be true to the real Elvis story! (n)

TCB!
Mike

[Pacerstar]

Tony, man not everyone has to agree with you..I mean seriously how many movies are the so called bestfriends going to make off of Elvis..maybe they should have tried saving their boss' life BEFORE they got fired ........or wrote the book before they did instead of after they got fired.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Tony Trout]

maybe they should have tried saving their boss' life BEFORE they got fired ........


Brad,

All of the guys (especially Sonny and Red) tried to talk to Elvis about the drugs many, many, many times but in his denial he told them (and I'm papraphrasing here): "I can stop when I want to!".

Well, that moment of 'stopping' happened on 8/16/77 - way too late for anyone to do anything.

it's been said before: You can't stop an addict from drinking or smoking or taking drugs unless they want to do it themselves - and Elvis was in severe denial about his drug problem and it cost him his life. :'(:'(

[Unchained Melody]

Brad,

All of the guys (especially Sonny and Red) tried to talk to Elvis about the drugs many, many, many times but in his denial he told them (and I'm papraphrasing here): "I can stop when I want to!".

Well, that moment of 'stopping' happened on 8/16/77 - way too late for anyone to do anything.

it's been said before: You can't stop an addict from drinking or smoking or taking drugs unless they want to do it themselves - and Elvis was in severe denial about his drug problem and it cost him his life. :'(:'(

Tony I have no doubts in my mind that the West' cousins loved Elvis or not, I honestly believe that they did...but seriously, when are these type of movies and books going to stop....thats where I'm getting at, I understand they were in a hard spot when they decided to go forth and tell their side of the story with the book, but I'm not talking about that as much as I am with them literally milking the cow for all its worth...

[Diane]

Tony I have no doubts in my mind that the West' cousins loved Elvis or not, I honestly believe that they did...but seriously, when are these type of movies and books going to stop....thats where I'm getting at, I understand they were in a hard spot when they decided to go forth and tell their side of the story with the book, but I'm not talking about that as much as I am with them literally milking the cow for all its worth...

This is my thinking too(y) and I still feel that Red is the only one who felt genuine guilt about writing EWH. That may be why he's always stayed away from the rest and went his own way.

Diane

[Brian]

Tony I have no doubts in my mind that the West' cousins loved Elvis or not, I honestly believe that they did...but seriously, when are these type of movies and books going to stop....thats where I'm getting at, I understand they were in a hard spot when they decided to go forth and tell their side of the story with the book, but I'm not talking about that as much as I am with them literally milking the cow for all its worth...

They will stop when there is no longer an interest and a marketplace for them.

If you were getting offers to write a book about Elvis by book publishers for thousands of dollars and then you got other offers to turn that book into a motion picture for even more money you'd probably take it.

[KPM]

They will stop when there is no longer an interest and a marketplace for them.

If you were getting offers to write a book about Elvis by book publishers for thousands of dollars and then you got other offers to turn that book into a motion picture for even more money you'd probably take it.
Aha the reason is money!;):lmfao: What a surprise!;):lmfao:

[Jungleroom76]

Aha the reason is money!;):lmfao: What a surprise!;):lmfao:

When it comes to Elvis, isn't that what its always been about for the guys that surrounded him??? :doh: (n)

TCB!
Mike

[Brian]

Aha the reason is money!;):lmfao: What a surprise!;):lmfao:

anybody that says they didn't write a book at least partially for money
is not being honest.

[May]

When it comes to Elvis, isn't that what its always been about for the guys that surrounded him??? :doh: (n)

TCB!
Mike

(y) Yes, unfortunately.

[Jungleroom76]

anybody that says they didn't write a book at least partially for money
is not being honest.

True Brian, but the "partially" should probably be changed to "mainly" or "solely"... :doh:

TCB!
Mike

[May]

Yes, most definately.

[Diane]

When it comes to Elvis, isn't that what its always been about for the guys that surrounded him??? :doh: (n)

TCB!
Mike

I'm sure that before Elvis died the partying and easy access to all the girls was a great part of too.:blush:


Diane

[Brian]

True Brian, but the "partially" should probably be changed to "mainly" or "solely"... :doh:

TCB!
Mike


Sonny West has always said he was unhappy with the sensationalized tone of EWH because of Steve Dunleavy so he wanted to write another book about Elvis to set the record straight.

So that was his other reason for writing it.

[Jungleroom76]

Sonny West has always said he was unhappy with the sensationalized tone of EWH because of Steve Dunleavy so he wanted to write another book about Elvis to set the record straight.

So that was his other reason for writing it.

It's certainly possible that with time, things have changed... :hmm:

But back then, when EWH was written, I am sure it was mainly for the money!!! :angry:

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

I'm sure that before Elvis died the partying and easy access to all the girls was a great part of too.:blush:


Diane

Exactly why I said "mainly"....I am sure the fringe benefits were a part of it too!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Diane]

It's certainly possible that with time, things have changed... :hmm:

But back then, when EWH was written, I am sure it was mainly for the money!!! :angry:

TCB!
Mike


I bought and read Sonny's book and to me it wasn't much different than EWH...maybe a bit tamer so was money the case this time too?...and now a movie supposedly? Why don't these guys get a job????

Diane

[KPM]

anybody that says they didn't write a book at least partially for money
is not being honest.
Well we agree on this!(y)
But then again some don't need the money like a Bob Hope (who wrote several) or many other wealthy individuals (many give profits to charity) the reasoning in these cases is sometimes to "set the record straight" which may or may not be correct depending on the author.

[Jungleroom76]

I bought and read Sonny's book and to me it wasn't much different than EWH...maybe a bit tamer so was money the case this time too?...and now a movie supposedly? Why don't these guys get a job????

Diane

Very good question Diane... :hmm:

O.K., maybe time hasn't changed anything... :doh: (n)

TCB!
Mike

[Pacerstar]

They will stop when there is no longer an interest and a marketplace for them.

If you were getting offers to write a book about Elvis by book publishers for thousands of dollars and then you got other offers to turn that book into a motion picture for even more money you'd probably take it.

I wouldn't, especially if I could not or were not allowed to talk about the
good good times and were paid only to sensationalize alleged bad times. I feel that
at that time, books about Elvis, even without all the drug talk would have
sold very well. And money could have been made without demeaning Elvis.
That is my opinion.:D:D:D:D

[Diane]

I wouldn't, especially if I could not or were not allowed to talk about the
good good times and were paid only to sensationalize alleged bad times. I feel that
at that time, books about Elvis, even without all the drug talk would have
sold very well. And money could have been made without demeaning Elvis.
That is my opinion.:D:D:D:D


At that time for sure.....now....all most want is sensationalizism.


Diane

[Tony Trout]

Ladies & Gentlemen TCB-World:

In case y'all don't realize it, Sandi Pichon ( who is Sonny's personal assistant) is also a member here and, if she hasn't yet, I'm sure she'll see the hurtful remarks about her dear friend, Sonny West.

In light of that, she has asked me to send this message to the forum (and several Yahoo groups) so that this can STOP IMMEDIATELY. The comments she quotes have come from several of those Yahoo groups and I, as a friend of hers, also echo her statements:






Hi to the group.

Let me say, as kindly as possible, once again this is a case of the media trying to pump something up that simply isn't there; trying to make something "ugly" out of something beautiful, because "Nasty" sells papers and magazines and movies; "Nice" does not.

As to your comment about "why do people feel it's necessary to produce such dirt"...have you read the book? Are you basing your presumption of "dirt" on the sensationalist media remark of "tell all"? Do you know Sonny or have you ever had the opportunity to hear him speak, or watch his dvd "Up Close and Personal"? My question is "Why do people always presume the worst without checking the facts?"

Your comment is based on absolutely NO first-hand knowledge but on something you read...

Sonny West and Marshall Terrill co-wrote a wonderful book "Elvis Still Taking Care of Business". It is filled with loving stories, laughter and tears. It is known fact that our Elvis, whom we all loved so dearly - and who was someone I knew very personally since the age of 11 - had a prescription abuse problem. It can't be swept under the rug because it is a sad fact of life. Did that make us love him any less? Absolutely not. In the 70s society was different; there were no Betty Ford clinics.

It has always been so strange to me that the ones who tried to help him are the ones who bear so much criticism 32 YEARS LATER and the ones who gave him what he wanted and were yes men who only cared about themselves, are open-armed accepted.
At the heart of this matter, this sad and tragic life of a man we all loved beyond measure, is a story about personal responsibility, loyalty and courage. For all his undeniable talent, his loving heart and his generosity, Elvis lived a life without personal responsibility. His every want was indulged and that indulgence is what killed him. Doctors who liked the gifts he gave them, policemen who turned their heads when they got new cars, stepbrothers who couldn't wait to give him extra meds so he could be sure to sleep so they could "play", and the reprehensible lack of moral courage by those who worked for him, except for 3 men who dared to step forward. Men who tried to extend a restraining hand when this wonderfully gifted man strayed beyond the pale in excessiveness. Love sometimes means saying "NO", which is word Elvis rarely heard.

Please understand that I loved Elvis then, and I will continue to love him until my own eyes close. Anyone who knows me knows that. But we all know people who have that addictive gene ...if one is good, 3 is better... and your body builds up a tolerance and you have to take more to be effective. I have a son who is like that, unfortunately, so I know first hand.. There were no Betty Ford clinics back then...if this had happened today there would have been a totally different outcome. There are a lot of "ifs"...which in retrospect we can only use hypothetical suppositions.

But trust me when I make this statement...SONNY, RED AND DAVE LOVED ELVIS. SONNY AND RED WERE WITH HIM LONGEST AND KNEW HIM BEST AND LOVED HIM BEYOND THEIR OWN FAMILIES, OFTEN MAKING SACRIFICES THAT PUT ELVIS BEFORE THEIR FAMILIES.

If any of you ever have the opportunity to meet Sonny, please ask him any question you wish and he will answer it honestly and will not stop until you are satisfied with his answers.

If you wish to email him you can do so at sonny@sonnywest.com (sonny@sonnywest.com) and he will answer; it might take a while because he gets a lot of mail and he is working on the movie, but he WILL answer you.

In closing I ask that you not be so quick to judge those you don't know. "Before you abuse, criticize and accuse, walk a mile in my shoes."

Sincerely
Sandi Pichon, Personal Assistant to Sonny West
President of TCB Elvis Style
Author of "Raised on Elvis! Elvis! Elvis!" and "Elvis on Tour 75: Photos From the Heart"

[presley31]

Tony thanks for posting this for us but all the people in elvis life have to remember that elvis fans all have there own voice of opinions and lets face it..isn't this what TCB world is about? sharing opinions and beliefs on elvis life?

[Tony Trout]

Jen,

Yes, that's what TCB-World is about but it just irks me that when someone such as Sandi who was around Elvis more than any of us were tells the truth about this movie that no one believes her.

I mean, she's worked closely with Sonny for years and she should know what kind of man that he is and I know that these negative comments are very hurtiful to both her and Sonny.

Personally, since I'm also a friend of hers, it just hurts to see that when the truth is presented from someone such as Sandi who was/is that close to Sonny that people still choose to not believe it.

I guess we've all still got a long way to go before we'll be able to live by the words: "Before you abuse, criticize, or accuse - walk a mile in my shoes!"

Anyway, that's all that I have to say on the subject so I'll shut up.

[franny]

They will stop when there is no longer an interest and a marketplace for them.

If you were getting offers to write a book about Elvis by book publishers for thousands of dollars and then you got other offers to turn that book into a motion picture for even more money you'd probably take it.

Yes, I think most people who write books do expect to get paid for it....That doesn't just go for Sonny. Why would he be any different? Nobody does anything for free...I certainly would take the money, why not? :lol:

I think Sonny loved Elvis and I don't think he should be condemned for EWH...

franny

[Pacerstar]

Tony thanks for posting this for us but all the people in elvis life have to remember that elvis fans all have there own voice of opinions and lets face it..isn't this what TCB world is about? sharing opinions and beliefs on elvis life?

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Good post! And now, do they think we will just fold our
tents and quietly sneak away, because this Sandy person has spoken?
I think not. I have never met Sonny West and can't say that I want to. I
have not read his latest book either. The first book was enough for me!
Even if they were to be genuinely sorry now for writing the first book, EWH.
how would we know if they are truly sorry about the book or if their sorrow
isfor the way they have been perceived after the fact. Sometimes it does
people well to think before acting. TMO.:blink::blink::blink::blink:

[tilchkitten]

Pacerstar What about the alleged taped phone conversations between Red and Elvis?

You want to hear it go here http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

you'll need real player to play it.

[Tony Trout]

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Good post! And now, do they think we will just fold our
tents and quietly sneak away, because this Sandy person has spoken?
I think not. I have never met Sonny West and can't say that I want to. I
have not read his latest book either. The first book was enough for me!
Even if they were to be genuinely sorry now for writing the first book, EWH.
how would we know if they are truly sorry about the book or if their sorrow
isfor the way they have been perceived after the fact. Sometimes it does
people well to think before acting. TMO.:blink::blink::blink::blink:


Sonny truly is sorry for the way that "Elvis: What Happened"? turned out because they said themselves that it was a totally different book than what they had planned to write, I believe.

Red West won't even discuss the book because of how it turned out to be so much different than what he and Sonny and Dave had planned.

[Brian]

I wouldn't, especially if I could not or were not allowed to talk about the
good good times and were paid only to sensationalize alleged bad times. I feel that
at that time, books about Elvis, even without all the drug talk would have
sold very well. And money could have been made without demeaning Elvis.
That is my opinion.:D:D:D:D

I think they would want you to write a book with both the good and bad things.

If all these books came out and said only nice things about Elvis then there would be people who would say the books are all white washed.
just like the people now who complain that the books are all negative.

[Pacerstar]

Pacerstar What about the alleged taped phone conversations between Red and Elvis?

You want to hear it go here http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

you'll need real player to play it.

Thanks, I will go listen to the tape. I believe that I have heard them
years ago, also.:D:D:D:D

[franny]

Sonny truly is sorry for the way that "Elvis: What Happened"? turned out because they said themselves that it was a totally different book than what they had planned to write, I believe.

Red West won't even discuss the book because of how it turned out to be so much different than what he and Sonny and Dave had planned.


Tony, I do believe Sonny was truly sorry for the way EWH turned out. This is why in my previous post, I stated he should not be condemned for it.

franny

[Pacerstar]

Sonny truly is sorry for the way that "Elvis: What Happened"? turned out because they said themselves that it was a totally different book than what they had planned to write, I believe.

Red West won't even discuss the book because of how it turned out to be so much different than what he and Sonny and Dave had planned.

How did it happen that the book turned out to be so different than they
planned? Didn't they have any preapproval rights? Didn't they read the
book before it was actually put on the presses? If the book was so totally
foreign to what they intended, why did they not go public right after it
was published and denounce it? Why, didn't they sue the author and
publisher? Why didn't they do anything to counter the way it portrayed their
friend and ex-employer? If, indeed, they had no control over the final book,
that, imo, was tragic and I sincerely hope that before they authorize another
author to tell their stories, they will get more control over the final book.

[Pacerstar]

Pacerstar What about the alleged taped phone conversations between Red and Elvis?

You want to hear it go here http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

you'll need real player to play it.

I did listen to the tape. It was very hard to even know who was saying
what. But, from what I did make out, I didn't hear Elvis say anything so
incriminating. And, to tell the truth, all I really got from listening was angrier
that Red would go behing his friend's back and tape a phone conversation
without his friend's knowledge. I don't call that friendly! I was aware of
Red's doing some laughing during the talk and it didn't sound too unfriendly
a conversation to me. :D:D:D:D

[Pacerstar]

I think they would want you to write a book with both the good and bad things.

If all these books came out and said only nice things about Elvis then there would be people who would say the books are all white washed.
just like the people now who complain that the books are all negative.

I think you are right, Brian. People would claim "whitewash" if all the books
only had good things to say. But, I still think that the books would
have been good sellers. People were so hungry to know about Elvis even
then. I think it would have been best to give the public the good side and
let them imagine the bad side, if there was a bad side. That way no real
harm would have been done to anyone. But, I realize that is just my opinion.:D:D:D:D

[May]

Tony thanks for posting this for us but all the people in elvis life have to remember that elvis fans all have there own voice of opinions and lets face it..isn't this what TCB world is about? sharing opinions and beliefs on elvis life?
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I agree Presley31. If everyone were to only write positive issues on here, what would be the point. We want to discuss everything.
Fair enough, no swearing or unnecessary nastiness, but not everyone in the world is liked. Thats just life.

[Getlo]

But back then, when EWH was written, I am sure it was mainly for the money!!! :angry:


The boys made very little from the original EWH, not even a few thousand.

[Getlo]

I think Sonny loved Elvis and I don't think he should be condemned for EWH...

Correct.

Anyone who says they didn't love Elvis is simply fooling themselves.

And those fans who actually still hate the boys after all these years ... don't get me started. Get a freakin' life! :angry:

Sonny West is a fine and decent man.

End of story.

[May]

Thats your opinion Getlo. I have my opinion too. So do others.

I have never said that Sonny didnt love Elvis. Im sure he did.

[debtdbruno]

Thanks Tony for posting that from Sandi.
Excellent points.
IMO, the problem..............was nobody 'No' to Elvis

[presley31]

Sonny West just can't stop attacking Elvis

Sonny West will talk about Presley’s sensational rise to fame, his tragic demise, and struggle with drug addiction in feature-length film ‘Fame and Fortune’. He will be a co-writer and co-producer of the film, reports Contactmusic. According to Daily Variety, he has signed a deal with Toronto-based film company RLF Victor Productions in this regard. West was employed by Presley from 1960 until 1976, one year prior to the star''s tragic death after suffering a heart attack.

source:http://www.elvismatters.com/index.php?pagina=nieuws&id=2846

[May]

A good time to post this song, I thought.
YouTube - The best song dedicated to Elvis Presley EVER


I love these lyrics.

[Getlo]

Sonny West just can't stop attacking Elvis


An unfair headline, especially seeing as the movie hasn't even come out yet!

[presley31]

An unfair headline, especially seeing as the movie hasn't even come out yet!

I Just post what is written ;)

[Diane]

I think Sonny did love Elvis, just not in the best way.

Diane

[Jungleroom76]

It's a tough situation to be sure... :doh:

I am sure that Red, Sonny & Dave did love Elvis in their own way...if they didn't, I'm sure they wouldn't have stayed with him as long as they did (and still would have been with him if they hadn't been fired)!

Still...that whole EWH situation is somewhat of an albatross around their necks. Perhaps they didn't mean for the book to come out the way it did....but if that is he case, why didn't they stop the books release? They must have had an opportunity to see the final copy before it was printed. If not, they certainly shouldn't have allowed their names to be attached to the project without having final approval on the project, since it was supposedly THEIR story! :hmm:

In any case, perhaps time has changed things...perhaps not. I have seen the UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL DVD that Sonny released and I have to say that I enjoyed it...I really did. I thought the stories were told with respect and love there was no doubt about that. But still...in order to sell DVD's, Sonny would have to come across as genuine and sincere...he certainly wouldn't sell DVD's if he spent the entire time bashing Elvis and telling horrible stories about him. So...the question is...which Sonny is the REAL Sonny? Personally, I would like to think that the EWH thing was a mistake and that UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL shows us the true Sonny West!

But in either case, everyone will have their own opinion about the situation... ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Diane]

It's a tough situation to be sure... :doh:

I am sure that Red, Sonny & Dave did love Elvis in their own way...if they didn't, I'm sure they wouldn't have stayed with him as long as they did (and still would have been with him if they hadn't been fired)!

Still...that whole EWH situation is somewhat of an albatross around their necks. Perhaps they didn't mean for the book to come out the way it did....but if that is he case, why didn't they stop the books release? They must have had an opportunity to see the final copy before it was printed. If not, they certainly shouldn't have allowed their names to be attached to the project without having final approval on the project, since it was supposedly THEIR story! :hmm:

In any case, perhaps time has changed things...perhaps not. I have seen the UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL DVD that Sonny released and I have to say that I enjoyed it...I really did. I thought the stories were told with respect and love there was no doubt about that. But still...in order to sell DVD's, Sonny would have to come across as genuine and sincere...he certainly wouldn't sell DVD's if he spent the entire time bashing Elvis and telling horrible stories about him. So...the question is...which Sonny is the REAL Sonny? Personally, I would like to think that the EWH thing was a mistake and that UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL shows us the true Sonny West!

But in either case, everyone will have their own opinion about the situation... ;)

TCB!
Mike

That's a hard one isn't it? Who is the real Sonny West? He comes across as arrogant and harsh but who knows what is really in his heart? If he truly did care for Elvis, I wish he would realize that the way he words things about him makes him come across like he thought he was better than Elvis and that he was so blameless which he wasn't....he caused a few problems with court suits in his time with him and if he wanted Elvis to quit drugs, he should have stayed off them himself. He just strikes me as a colossal show-off...sorry I can't help reacting to him in that way.

Diane

[May]

I agree with you Diane.

[Jungleroom76]

He just strikes me as a colossal show-off...sorry I can't help reacting to him in that way.

Diane

As I said, it's definitely a tough one... :doh:

TCB!
Mike

[Tony Trout]

Tony, I do believe Sonny was truly sorry for the way EWH turned out. This is why in my previous post, I stated he should not be condemned for it.

franny


Than you , Franny! It's just sad that no one else can learn to look past what happened over thirty years ago and still hold a grudge against someone that they don't even know!!

Finally, someone that has a bit of respect for Sonny! (y)




How did it happen that the book turned out to be so different than they
planned?

How did it happen? Two words: Steve Dunleavey (who, thank God, is now retired. He was a journalist for one of the rag mags back in the 1970s - can't remember which one - maybe the "Examiner". Getlo might know more...you still out there, buddy?)




Didn't they have any pre-approval rights?

As far as I know, they did not have any pre-approval rights.




Didn't they read the
book before it was actually put on the presses?

No, they didn't. The only time I can remember them even seeing what was written in the book is when they are looking in one of the 'rag mags' at what was in the book and you can clearly see them grimace at what was written in there by Steve Dunleavy - he's the one who should be blamed for how the book turned out - not Sonny, Red or Dave!



If the book was so totally
foreign to what they intended, why did they not go public right after it
was published and denounce it?

If I remember correctly, Sonny did go on "Good Morning America" the morning after Elvis's death (and I believe that this is the footage that we've all seen in "This Is Elvis" and he explained why the book was written.




Why, didn't they sue the author and
publisher?

How can you sue someone when you, yourself, have no money??? They were broke - when they were fired they were only given three days notice by Vernon and a week's pay - and Elvis took the cowardly way out and wouldn't speak to them.


Why didn't they do anything to counter the way it portrayed their friend and ex-employer?


Read Sonny's book, "Elvis: Still Taking Care Of Business" and you'll understand why.




If, indeed, they had no control over the final book, that, imo, was tragic and I sincerely hope that before they authorize another author to tell their stories, they will get more control over the final book.

Um....Sonny has already written another book. It's called, "Elvis: Still Taking Care Of Business" and it's a great (but sometimes very heartbreaking read - especially the chapter that described Sonny's reaction to Elvis's death. He had spoken to someone on the phone that morning of Elvis's passing and he was asked, "How would you feel if you heard that Elvis had died?" (no one knew that - at this point - Elvis was already either dying or dead - and he said that it really wouldn't surprise him because of the way Elvis was abusing his body with the stuff he was taking. The next morning, he and his wife Judy were out working with their horses and someone came up (can't remember who) and said: "Sonny! Did you hear the news" and sonny said, "Elvis died?" and the other guys response was "Yes, how did you know?" and Sonny immediately fell to the ground and began bawling like a baby. He wasn't able to speak to anyone for the rest of the day - and neither was Red (who was out working on "Baa Baa Black Sheep" I think - that's why Red didn't appear at the press conference the following day).

Sonny was just shattered by Elvis's death because, even though he no longer worked for him, he still cared for him deeply - and that love and caring continues even today.



The boys made very little from the original EWH, not even a few thousand.


That is correct, Getlo. Anyone who says that they made a ton of money from the book is simply fooling themselves - the one who made the money in regards to the book was Steve Dunleavey.



Correct.

Anyone who says they didn't love Elvis is simply fooling themselves.

And those fans who actually still hate the boys after all these years ... don't get me started. Get a freakin' life! :angry:

Sonny West is a fine and decent man.

End of story.


BINGO! I agree with ever word, Getlo. Thank you for your support of Sonny West and I'm sure that Sandi Pichon also thanks you as well.




I think Sonny did love Elvis, just not in the best way.

Diane

Then you would sadly be misled/mistaken, my friend. Sonny loved Elvis like a brother and was absolutely crushed when Elvis died. He still tears up when talking about it today. As a matter of fact, he avoids the subject of Elvis's death in his "Up Close And Personal With Sonny West" DVD because it's still too painful for him to talk about it.

Finally:

Below is an email that Sonny sent out (sent to me by Sandi) due to the criticism that he is undergoing . I have removed Sonny's email address due to privacy reasons:


Below is an email that Sonny sent regarding the "tell all" phrase used by the media regarding his upcoming movie...I wanted to share with all of you. The "people" and Media just wanted to hype it up a notch:




Below is the Link to the original article. There is no “tell all” words or indications of that in it at all. People that pass it on, “walk all over it with their own words and thoughts”! Thank all of you that know better for your support, friendship and trust. God Bless.


Warmly,
Sonny





http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008544.html?categoryid=19&cs=1&ref=bd_int










So, there ya go, folks. I will say no more about this subject - I'm outta here.

[Pacerstar]

Than you , Franny! It's just sad that no one else can learn to look past what happened over thirty years ago and still hold a grudge against someone that they don't even know!!

Finally, someone that has a bit of respect for Sonny! (y)





How did it happen? Two words: Steve Dunleavey (who, thank God, is now retired. He was a journalist for one of the rag mags back in the 1970s - can't remember which one - maybe the "Examiner". Getlo might know more...you still out there, buddy?)





As far as I know, they did not have any pre-approval rights.





No, they didn't. The only time I can remember them even seeing what was written in the book is when they are looking in one of the 'rag mags' at what was in the book and you can clearly see them grimace at what was written in there by Steve Dunleavy - he's the one who should be blamed for how the book turned out - not Sonny, Red or Dave!




If I remember correctly, Sonny did go on "Good Morning America" the morning after Elvis's death (and I beleive that this is the footage that we've all seen in "This Is Elvis" and explain why the book was written.





How can you sue someone when you, yourself, have no money??? They were broke - when they were fired they were only given three days notice by Vernon and a week's pay - and Elvis took the cowardly way out and wouldn't speak to them.




Read Sonny's book, "Elvis: Still Taking Care Of Business" and you'll understand why.





Um....Sonny has already written another book. It's called, "Elvis: Still Taking Care Of Business" and it's a great (but sometimes very heartbreaking read - especially the chapter that described Sonny's reaction to Elvis's death. He had spoken to someone on the phone that morning of Elvis's passing and he was asked, "How would you feel if you heard that Elvis had died?" (no one knew that - at this point - Elvis was already either dying or dead - and he said that it really wouldn't surprise him because of the way Elvis was abusing his body with the stuff he was taking. The next morning, he and his wife Judy were out working with their horses and someone came up (can't remember who) and said: "Sonny! Did you hear the news" and sonny said, "Elvis died?" and the other guys response was "Yes, how did you know?" and Sonny immediately fell to the ground and began bawling like a baby. He wasn't able to speak to anyone for the rest of the day - and neither was Red (who was out working on "Baa Baa Black Sheep" I think - that's why Red didn't appear at the press conference the following day).

Sonny was just shattered by Elvis's death because, even though he no longer worked for him, he still cared for him deeply - and that love and caring continues even today.





That is correct, Getlo. Anyone who says that they made a ton of money from the book is simply fooling themselves - the one who made the money in regards to the book was Steve Dunleavey.






BINGO! I agree with ever word, Getlo. Thank you for your support of Sonny West and I'm sure that Sandi Pichon also thanks you as well.





Then you would sadly be misled/mistaken, my friend. Sonny loved Elvis like a brother and was absolutely crushed when Elvis died. He still tears up when talking about it today. As a matter of fact, he avoids the subject of Elvis's death in his "Up Close And Personal With Sonny West" DVD because it's still too painful for him to talk about it.

Finally:

Below is an email that Sonny sent out (sent to me by Sandi) due to the criticism that he is undergoing . I have removed Sonny's email address due to privacy reasons:








So, there ya go, folks. I will say no more about this subject - I'm outta here.

Tony, I can only speak for myself. I appreciate your courteous attempts
to reply to the questions I asked. I believe your answers are genuine and
honest. It is obvious to me that you are a friend to the Wests and that it
does hurt you to see negative comments about them. I can understand that.
By the same token, you must understand that I feel the same hurt when
I read negative comments about Elvis, be they true or untrue. It may well
be that the Wests are nice men. I believe that Elvis was a nice man. And
I feel you and I are nice people; but, nice people do bad and hurtful things.
I understand if you wish to leave this thread but I sincerely hope you will not
leave this board. For most of us, who were not there in Elvis' life to know
for ourselves, we can only believe and accept what those who were there
tell us. We don't know first-hand what is truth and what is not. Therefore,
I can only choose what I want to believe and reject what I don't want to
believe. From the choices I make, I can only form my opinions. Thank you for
taking the time to answer my questions to the best of your ability. I respect
that.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Diane]

Tony, I can only speak for myself. I appreciate your courteous attempts
to reply to the questions I asked. I believe your answers are genuine and
honest. It is obvious to me that you are a friend to the Wests and that it
does hurt you to see negative comments about them. I can understand that.
By the same token, you must understand that I feel the same hurt when
I read negative comments about Elvis, be they true or untrue. It may well
be that the Wests are nice men. I believe that Elvis was a nice man. And
I feel you and I are nice people; but, nice people do bad and hurtful things.
I understand if you wish to leave this thread but I sincerely hope you will not
leave this board. For most of us, who were not there in Elvis' life to know
for ourselves, we can only believe and accept what those who were there
tell us. We don't know first-hand what is truth and what is not. Therefore,
I can only choose what I want to believe and reject what I don't want to
believe. From the choices I make, I can only form my opinions. Thank you for
taking the time to answer my questions to the best of your ability. I respect
that.:D:D:D:D:D:D


We all need to be fair minded and respect the opinions of everyone else.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)


Diane

[Jungleroom76]

We all need to be fair minded and respect the opinions of everyone else.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)


Diane

PRECISELY!!! :notworthy

TCB!
Mike

[debtdbruno]

Isn't this civilised?...........LOL

Deb

[Diane]

PRECISELY!!! :notworthy

TCB!
Mike

Ok now do I dare voice my opinion again? It seems to me that if Sonny, Red and Dave hadn't given Steve Dunleavy the information to use as ammunition none of this would have happened....they talked too much!

Diane

[Merry]

that.:D:D:D:D:D:D


:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Jungleroom76]

Ok now do I dare voice my opinion again? It seems to me that if Sonny, Red and Dave hadn't given Steve Dunleavy the information to use as ammunition none of this would have happened....they talked too much!

Diane

That certainly is an excellent point Diane!!! :hmm:

Of course, the guys came right out and said that they wrote the book because of "bitterness and hurt" as seen in the clip from THIS IS ELVIS. To that end, you can't argue with them...you've been employed by the same person for all those years and the thanks you get for your loyalty is being fired. I can certainly understand their frustration about that and I am sure their anger over the whole situation is what made them go to Steve and give him the ammunition for the book! We've all done things when we were angry that we later regretted I'm sure... :doh:

I guess the main question is...have the guys done enough since EWH to rectify the situation and truly prove that EWH was a one-off mistake caused by hard feelings and heated emotions from the situation...or do they still harbor ill-feelings toward Elvis today, which would therefore negate all the "love" that they profess for Elvis? :hmm:

Does that make sense... :blink: :blush:

TCB!
Mike

[Tony Trout]

Tony, I can only speak for myself. I appreciate your courteous attempts
to reply to the questions I asked. I believe your answers are genuine and
honest. It is obvious to me that you are a friend to the Wests and that it
does hurt you to see negative comments about them. I can understand that.

Let me correct myself here, if you don't mind. I've never met Sonny nor Red in person - although, I hope that I will get to meet them someday - I only know of Sonny through his personal assistant, dear and sweet Sandi Pichon (who, as I mentioned, is also a board member here and I'm sure she sometimes reads these kinds of threads) but, to me at least, Sonny is doing his best to make up for the hurt and pain and anger that was caused by the writing of "Elvis: What Happened?"

Frankly, I think that Albert Goldman's book, "Elvis", was far more demeaning and damaging to Elvis's image than "Elvis: What Happened?" will ever be. "Elvis: What Happened?" was tame compared to Albert's book. Albert's book is only best used for starting fires, IMO.



By the same token, you must understand that I feel the same hurt when I read negative comments about Elvis, be they true or untrue. It may well be that the Wests are nice men. I believe that Elvis was a nice man. And I feel you and I are nice people; but, nice people do bad and hurtful things.

I also do feel the same hurt when negative things are said about Elvis but there's really not a whole lot that we can do about it - but when one tries to 'right' the 'wrong' that they have done and they still get slammed/criticized for it or people are still angry with them over something that happened over thirty-two years ago, it angers me.

It's time we let bygones be bygones, IMO.


I understand if you wish to leave this thread but I sincerely hope you will not leave this board.

I am leaving the thread and not saying anything else but I am most certainly not leaving TCB-World. I'm just tired of all the negativity towards the Wests' for something that happened so long ago that they both have tried to correct to the best of their ability.


For most of us, who were not there in Elvis' life to know for ourselves, we can only believe and accept what those who were there tell us. We don't know first-hand what is truth and what is not.

Therefore, I can only choose what I want to believe and reject what I don't want to believe. From the choices I make, I can only form my opinions.

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions to the best of your ability. I respect
that.:D:D:D:D:D:D


You're welcome, but therein lies the problem, IMO. Even when I (or anyone for that matter - even Sandi herself - posts what is truth (by Sonny in this case) - people still pounce on them and say negative things.

They, like us, are only human beings who put their pants on one leg at a time. I truly believe that Sonny West and Red West loved Elvis dearly and, like all of us, wishes that he were still here but due to the choices he made in his life - he's not.

Like I mentioned earlier, when they were unceremoniously fired by Vernon, via telephone by the way, they had only been given a week's pay and three days' notice by Vernon to get their suff out of Graceland and then Elvis took the 'high road' and flew out of town (supposedly to Palm Springs, CA) and wouldn't even talk to them.

Now, you tell me - how dirty is that?

I hate to say it, but Elvis should also be held responsible for the Wests' and Hebler writing "Elvis: What Happened?" because of the way he acted after the firing. No self-respecting employer would act the way he did towards an employee by not telling them why they were being let go and not tell them face-to-face why they were being let go. The excuse that Vernon ussed about 'expenses are becoming too high" really doesn't sit well with me.

To this very day, they still do not know the exact reasons as to why they were let go by Vernon/Elvis - and those words are from Sonny West, himself. If you were to ask him, that is exactly what he would tell you or anyone else.





That certainly is an excellent point Diane!!!

Of course, the guys came right out and said that they wrote the book because of "bitterness and hurt" as seen in the clip from THIS IS ELVIS. To that end, you can't argue with them...you've been employed by the same person for all those years and the thanks you get for your loyalty is being fired. I can certainly understand their frustration about that and I am sure their anger over the whole situation is what made them go to Steve and give him the ammunition for the book! We've all done things when we were angry that we later regretted I'm sure...:doh:

I guess the main question is...have the guys done enough since EWH to rectify the situation and truly prove that EWH was a one-off mistake caused by hard feelings and heated emotions from the situation...or do they still harbor ill-feelings toward Elvis today, which would therefore negate all the "love" that they profess for Elvis?

Does that make sense...:blush:

TCB!
Mike


IMO, Mike, (and thank you for allowing me to voice my opinions in this thread), the big mistake that they made was when they did go to Steve Dunleavey to have the book written - and I truly believe that Sonny would wholeheartedly agree. Steve is/was a "sensationalism" (is that a word?) writer and that's what he got paid for - to make things sensationalistic or seedy (don't know if that's the correct term to use here).

Had they gone to another writer, the book very well may have turned out very different from what we've read and more along the lines of the "good times' that Red spoke about in the taped conversation with Elvis.

[Pacerstar]

Ok now do I dare voice my opinion again? It seems to me that if Sonny, Red and Dave hadn't given Steve Dunleavy the information to use as ammunition none of this would have happened....they talked too much!

Diane

I agree, Diane. They talked too much and revealed more than they should
have, imo. And no matter what, they can't erase that. :D:D:D:D

[May]

I agree with both of you, Diane and Pacerstar

[Tony Trout]

I agree, Diane. They talked too much and revealed more than they should
have, imo. And no matter what, they can't erase that. :D:D:D:D


Sorry, but that was Steve Dunleavey's fault. Not Red and Sonny and Dave's.

What the Wests' and Hebler had to say was absolutely nothing like the trash that Dunleavey put in the book. IMO, that book should've just kept Red and Sonny and Dave's name off of it and should have just read, "as authored by Steve Dunleavey".

[Diane]

That certainly is an excellent point Diane!!! :hmm:

Of course, the guys came right out and said that they wrote the book because of "bitterness and hurt" as seen in the clip from THIS IS ELVIS. To that end, you can't argue with them...you've been employed by the same person for all those years and the thanks you get for your loyalty is being fired. I can certainly understand their frustration about that and I am sure their anger over the whole situation is what made them go to Steve and give him the ammunition for the book! We've all done things when we were angry that we later regretted I'm sure... :doh:

I guess the main question is...have the guys done enough since EWH to rectify the situation and truly prove that EWH was a one-off mistake caused by hard feelings and heated emotions from the situation...or do they still harbor ill-feelings toward Elvis today, which would therefore negate all the "love" that they profess for Elvis? :hmm:

Does that make sense... :blink: :blush:

TCB!
Mike

It makes a lot of sense Mike. I think probably they all harbor a bit of jealousy towards Elvis since he got all the attention. The girls for instance that they got were really there in hopes to be with Elvis.

I think the best way they could redeem themselves would be to quit riding the gravy train and find work for themselves. It's been much too long and too tiresome for people who think like I do.

As far as being fired the way they were, sure I think they had reason to feel hurt and angry but it's been over 30 years and they still haven't moved on.

Diane

[elvislady]

Yes, I think most people who write books do expect to get paid for it....That doesn't just go for Sonny. Why would he be any different? Nobody does anything for free...I certainly would take the money, why not? :lol:

I think Sonny loved Elvis and I don't think he should be condemned for EWH...

franny

I agree 100% franny...

elvislady (y)

[Annie]

.





How can you sue someone when you, yourself, have no money??? They were broke - when they were fired they were only given three days notice by Vernon and a week's pay - and Elvis took the cowardly way out and wouldn't speak to them.






you really think the truth of this story?
it's easy to tell all that when Elvis is not here to defend himself. Anyway, I don't think it's very ethical to go out there and have all that crap ... that's not ethical.
I'm not saying he wouldn't like Elvis, but I didn't like the way to attack Elvis in a very delicate moment of his life.

[Jungleroom76]

IMO, Mike, (and thank you for allowing me to voice my opinions in this thread)...

You are SO welcome Tony!!! As we've said many times before, we certainly value everyone's opinions here as long as they aren't presented in a "my opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong" sort of way. We want everyone to present their opinions...that way we can all learn what everyone else thinks about a particular topic and maybe learn something along the way too!! (y)


...the big mistake that they made was when they did go to Steve Dunleavey to have the book written - and I truly believe that Sonny would wholeheartedly agree. Steve is/was a "sensationalism" (is that a word?) writer and that's what he got paid for - to make things sensationalistic or seedy (don't know if that's the correct term to use here).

Yes, those would be the right words to use. ;)


Had they gone to another writer, the book very well may have turned out very different from what we've read and more along the lines of the "good times' that Red spoke about in the taped conversation with Elvis.

That may very well be the case Tony, and I would really like to think that EWH was a product of a sensationalistic author and not the result of 3 bitter ex-employees wanting to drag their former employers name through the mud...especially a name as big as Elvis'!!!

As I mentioned, I have seen the UP CLOSE & PERSONAL DVD that Sonny has released and I have corresponded with him a couple of times and he genuinely does seem to care for Elvis and wants to set the record straight about his years with Elvis. I haven't had the opportunity to read his STILL TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS book, but perhaps reading that would be able to sway me one way or the other more... :hmm:

In any case, I am certainly willing to give those guys the benefit of the doubt unless I see something to indicate they still harbor the same feelings that were outlined in EWH!!! (y)

Does that make any sense??? :blink: :blush:

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

What the Wests' and Hebler had to say was absolutely nothing like the trash that Dunleavey put in the book. IMO, that book should've just kept Red and Sonny and Dave's name off of it and should have just read, "as authored by Steve Dunleavey".

That certainly would have avoided all this controversy about Red, Sonny & Dave...that is for sure!!! :doh:

TCB!
Mike

[Diane]

The only thing that could sway me in Sonny's favor would be if it could be proved beyond a doubt to my satisfaction that Sonny wasn't a good actor (with the tears etc.) and manipulator in making people believe that he genuinely loved Elvis. I think he did...superficially though.

I'd have to meet him face to face myself and decide what I thought he was really doing.

Diane

[Jungleroom76]

It makes a lot of sense Mike. I think probably they all harbor a bit of jealousy towards Elvis since he got all the attention. The girls for instance that they got were really there in hopes to be with Elvis.

I think the best way they could redeem themselves would be to quit riding the gravy train and find work for themselves. It's been much too long and too tiresome for people who think like I do.

As far as being fired the way they were, sure I think they had reason to feel hurt and angry but it's been over 30 years and they still haven't moved on.

Diane

I'm glad it made sense to you Diane...after typing that post and re-reading it, I wasn't sure if I was explaining myself properly... :doh:

In defense of those guys, although I don't know what Dave wound up doing with his life post-Elvis, I do know that Red went into acting and Sonny was involved in some kind of security company, if I'm not mistaken? :hmm: So it does sound like they did try to move on and make something out of their lives, post-Elvis....definitely more-so than some of the other guys that surrounded Elvis! (n)

But I think the reason they haven't completely moved on is because Elvis was just such a big part of their lives...how do you move on from working for Elvis Presley? I would imagine that's a pretty tall order... :hmm:

In contrast to some of the other guys that worked for Elvis, I would have to say that at least Red & Sonny did try to move on and do something else with their lives after Elvis. So that is certainly a positive move I believe...

Do I sound like a guy on the fence??? ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

The only thing that could sway me in Sonny's favor would be if it could be proved beyond a doubt to my satisfaction that Sonny wasn't a good actor (with the tears etc.) and manipulator in making people believe that he genuinely loved Elvis. I think he did...superficially though.

I'd have to meet him face to face myself and decide what I thought he was really doing.

Diane

Fair enough Diane!!! (y)

As I said, I really am on the fence about the whole situation... :hmm: :doh: ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Diane]

I'm glad it made sense to you Diane...after typing that post and re-reading it, I wasn't sure if I was explaining myself properly... :doh:

In defense of those guys, although I don't know what Dave wound up doing with his life post-Elvis, I do know that Red went into acting and Sonny was involved in some kind of security company, if I'm not mistaken? :hmm: So it does sound like they did try to move on and make something out of their lives, post-Elvis....definitely more-so than some of the other guys that surrounded Elvis! (n)

But I think the reason they haven't completely moved on is because Elvis was just such a big part of their lives...how do you move on from working for Elvis Presley? I would imagine that's a pretty tall order... :hmm:

In contrast to some of the other guys that worked for Elvis, I would have to say that at least Red & Sonny did try to move on and do something else with their lives after Elvis. So that is certainly a positive move I believe...

Do I sound like a guy on the fence??? ;)

TCB!
Mike

Yes you do sound like you're on the fence but I can understand it. It's hard not to be because it's hard to condemn people without fully knowing them. I've slid off the fence and am hanging there waiting for more proof to change my mind. I hate thinking the worse of anyone.

I have more respect for Red because he stayed away from the gravy train. I know Sonny did work elsewhere for a while but he keeps coming back every chance he gets. I've watched him on interviews and he strikes me so wrong with his choice of words and his expressions!

Diane

[Jungleroom76]

Yes you do sound like you're on the fence but I can understand it. It's hard not to be because it's hard to condemn people without fully knowing them. I've slid off the fence and am hanging there waiting for more proof to change my mind. I hate thinking the worse of anyone.

I'm the same way Diane!! That's why I'm still hanging on the fence... :blush: ;)

TCB!
Mike

[franny]

Than you , Franny! It's just sad that no one else can learn to look past what happened over thirty years ago and still hold a grudge against someone that they don't even know!!

Finally, someone that has a bit of respect for Sonny! (y)

You're welcome, Tony. Elvis had them around for 19 years, that should mean something. (y)



Originally Posted by Tony Trout http://www.tcb-world.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?p=333527#post333527) How did it happen? Two words: Steve Dunleavey (who, thank God, is now retired. He was a journalist for one of the rag mags back in the 1970s - can't remember which one - maybe the "Examiner". Getlo might know more...you still out there, buddy?)


I really think it's a case of the "dirt" sells and still does...Why do you think Brad/Angelina/Jennifer still sells almost 5 years later :lol:

It's really too bad EWH turned out that way, but the blame should be put on Steve Dunleavy...Yes, Sonny/Red/Dave made the mistake in going to Dunleavy, but I'm sure everyones' made a mistake in their life...

franny

[debtdbruno]

I'm glad it made sense to you Diane...after typing that post and re-reading it, I wasn't sure if I was explaining myself properly... :doh:

In defense of those guys, although I don't know what Dave wound up doing with his life post-Elvis, I do know that Red went into acting and Sonny was involved in some kind of security company, if I'm not mistaken? :hmm: So it does sound like they did try to move on and make something out of their lives, post-Elvis....definitely more-so than some of the other guys that surrounded Elvis! (n)

But I think the reason they haven't completely moved on is because Elvis was just such a big part of their lives...how do you move on from working for Elvis Presley? I would imagine that's a pretty tall order... :hmm:

In contrast to some of the other guys that worked for Elvis, I would have to say that at least Red & Sonny did try to move on and do something else with their lives after Elvis. So that is certainly a positive move I believe...

Do I sound like a guy on the fence??? ;)

TCB!
Mike

Elvis was larger than life, must be difficult to move on
I agree Mike, I straddle the fence too


Deb

[May]

I agree Mike, I straddle the fence too


Deb

Ouch. Painful!!!!;)

[debtdbruno]

hahahahahahah

[Tony Trout]

You are SO welcome Tony!!! As we've said many times before, we certainly value everyone's opinions here as long as they aren't presented in a "my opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong" sort of way. We want everyone to present their opinions...that way we can all learn what everyone else thinks about a particular topic and maybe learn something along the way too!! (y)




(y)(y)

Yes, those would be the right words to use. ;)




That may very well be the case Tony, and I would really like to think that EWH was a product of a sensationalistic author and not the result of 3 bitter ex-employees wanting to drag their former employers name through the mud...especially a name as big as Elvis'!!!

As I mentioned, I have seen the UP CLOSE & PERSONAL DVD that Sonny has released and I have corresponded with him a couple of times and he genuinely does seem to care for Elvis and wants to set the record straight about his years with Elvis. I haven't had the opportunity to read his STILL TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS book, but perhaps reading that would be able to sway me one way or the other more... :hmm:

In any case, I am certainly willing to give those guys the benefit of the doubt unless I see something to indicate they still harbor the same feelings that were outlined in EWH!!! (y)

Does that make any sense??? :blink: :blush:

TCB!
Mike


Yes, that makes perfect sense, my friend. :)



That certainly would have avoided all this controversy about Red, Sonny & Dave...that is for sure!!! :doh:

TCB!
Mike


You can say that again....




The only thing that could sway me in Sonny's favor would be if it could be proved beyond a doubt to my satisfaction that Sonny wasn't a good actor (with the tears etc.) and manipulator in making people believe that he genuinely loved Elvis. I think he did...superficially though.

I'd have to meet him face to face myself and decide what I thought he was really doing.

Diane


Trust me, Diane. Sonny truly did love Elvis very much. You have to understand that these guys can't just sit on their laurels, so to speak, and do nothing. They have to work and make a living.

As a matter of fact, some of them are to this day doing jobs that aren't related to Elvis in any way - Billy Smith is an example of this, I believe. In reading, "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia", it's mentioned that he works in a factory somewhere in Mississippi (although, granted, this was 1995 when this was mentioned and this may have changed since then).

Joe Esposito was working in a casino for a few years - as was George Klein. Does that sound like they're making a living off of Elvis? No, it doesn't.



I'm glad it made sense to you Diane...after typing that post and re-reading it, I wasn't sure if I was explaining myself properly... :doh:

In defense of those guys, although I don't know what Dave wound up doing with his life post-Elvis, I do know that Red went into acting and Sonny was involved in some kind of security company, if I'm not mistaken? :hmm: So it does sound like they did try to move on and make something out of their lives, post-Elvis....definitely more-so than some of the other guys that surrounded Elvis! (n)

But I think the reason they haven't completely moved on is because Elvis was just such a big part of their lives...how do you move on from working for Elvis Presley? I would imagine that's a pretty tall order... :hmm:

In contrast to some of the other guys that worked for Elvis, I would have to say that at least Red & Sonny did try to move on and do something else with their lives after Elvis. So that is certainly a positive move I believe...

Do I sound like a guy on the fence??? ;)

TCB!
Mike


Mike,

Dave Hebler, IIRC, went back into working with karate/tae-kwan-do for the IKKA but he is now devoted to working with a company/business that deals with battered or abused women, I believe, and he also has a FaceBook page as well which can be seen here:

Dave Hebler's FaceBook (http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=Dave+Hebler&init=quick#/dave.hebler?ref=search&sid=657329244.596011985..1)




You're welcome, Tony. Elvis had them around for 19 years, that should mean something. (y)


Franny, actually Red's association goes all the way back to the early years of high school (not sure of the exact date, though). Sonny began working for Elvis in 1960 and stayed with him (as did Red) until they were unceremoniously fired. Dave Hebler had known Elvis for only five years (1972) and began working as a odyguard until he was also fired in 1976.




I really think it's a case of the "dirt" sells and still does...Why do you think Brad/Angelina/Jennifer still sells almost 5 years later :lol:

ROTFLMAO! You would be correct and I will agree with you that 'dirt sells".



It's really too bad EWH turned out that way, but the blame should be put on Steve Dunleavey...Yes, Sonny/Red/Dave made the mistake in going to Dunleavey, but I'm sure everyone's made a mistake in their life...

franny


I agree. No one is perfect - only Jesus Christ, Himself.

These guys did the best they could under the circumstances they had to deal with. Can you imagine the pressure of working for someone such as Elvis Presley and having to be at his beck and call nearly 24 hours a day/365 days a year? That is not a position I would want to be put into - no matter how exciting the lifestyle was/is.

[Diane]

I know a lot of the MM did go out and find jobs Tony....just tell me that Sonny has been working as well aside from talking about Elvis here and there and I'll feel better about him.


Diane

[Jungleroom76]

Elvis was larger than life, must be difficult to move on
I agree Mike, I straddle the fence too


Deb

Thanks Deb...I thought that looked like you on the fence with me... ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

Mike,

Dave Hebler, IIRC, went back into working with karate/tae-kwan-do for the IKKA but he is now devoted to working with a company/business that deals with battered or abused women, I believe, and he also has a FaceBook page as well which can be seen here:

Dave Hebler's FaceBook (http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=Dave+Hebler&init=quick#/dave.hebler?ref=search&sid=657329244.596011985..1)

Thanks for the info. pal!!! (y) ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Tony Trout]

I know a lot of the MM did go out and find jobs Tony....just tell me that Sonny has been working as well aside from talking about Elvis here and there and I'll feel better about him.


Diane



Diane,

As a matter of fact, Sonny and his wife Judy were (at one point after Elvis's death) raising Arabian horses and I believe that he did work for other entertainers as well after Elvis's passing - but unfortunately, I can't think of their names.




Thanks for the info. pal!!! (y) ;)

TCB!
Mike

You're very welcome, Mike. Dave accepted my request to be friends on FaceBook just the other day.

[Brian]

Diane,

As a matter of fact, Sonny and his wife Judy were (at one point after Elvis's death) raising Arabian horses and I believe that he did work for other entertainers as well after Elvis's passing - but unfortunately, I can't think of their names.
.

He worked security for Waylon Jennings and Alabama

[Diane]

Diane,

As a matter of fact, Sonny and his wife Judy were (at one point after Elvis's death) raising Arabian horses and I believe that he did work for other entertainers as well after Elvis's passing - but unfortunately, I can't think of their names..


Thank you Tony, I trust your word and I'll think on that and try not to be so judgmental as far as Sonny is concerned.

Diane

[Jungleroom76]

You're very welcome, Mike. Dave accepted my request to be friends on FaceBook just the other day.

VERY COOL!!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

[Tony Trout]

He worked security for Waylon Jennings and Alabama


Thank you for refreshing my memory, Brian. (y):blush:


Boy, I sure do miss ol' Waylon.....:'(:'(

[Brian]

If this movie does get made I think it will put Colonel Parker in a positive light because Sonny West always liked and speaks highly of him.

I would also look for Priscilla to not be portrayed as the perfect innocent person she's been in other movies.
Sonny doesn't seem to like her very much

So at least in that respect I think Sonny's upcoming film will be different to what we've seen before.

it's being reported on elvis-express that the movie will be a documentary style type film.

[debtdbruno]

Let's keep an open mind then........

[Sweet_One_E.]

I hope for honesty

[Tony Trout]

If this movie does get made I think it will put Colonel Parker in a positive light because Sonny West always liked and speaks highly of him.

I would also look for Priscilla to not be portrayed as the perfect innocent person she's been in other movies.
Sonny doesn't seem to like her very much

So at least in that respect I think Sonny's upcoming film will be different to what we've seen before.

it's being reported on elvis-express that the movie will be a documentary style type film.


I agree with every word, Brian. I think Sonny actually briefly mentions Priscilla in his book, "Elvis: Still Takin' Care Of Business" but he also doesn't speak highly of Lisa, either.

On pages 271-272 of his book, here's what he has to say about Priscilla (this is right after he mentions the near-fatal overdose of a girl named "Paige"in Palm Springs in the spring of 1971:


Another time, Elvis invited several females up to the house in Palm Springs. This time it wasn't a sexual thing. He just enjoyed their company and we all had a good time hanging out for a couple of days. We were goofing around once, and one of the girls struck her tongue out at Elvis. "Good God almighty, would you look at that tongue!" and Elvis said, 'You've got a tongue like a lizard!" From then on, the girl was known as "Lizard Tongue."

When the girls left, "Lizard Tongue" sent a letter to Elvis at the Palm Springs address, singing it with her nickname. When Priscilla and Joanie went downto the house to hang out, Proscilla found the letter and went ballistic. Elvis was back in Vegas, and Priscilla called Joe demanding to speak to him. Joe said he was sleeping.

When Elvis called back later, he chewed Priscilla out, and she apologized. But then she did something I still don't understand. She told Judy about the letter from "Lizard Tongue," said it was addressed to me, and insinuated that I was fooling around.

Why Priscilla would go out of her way like that to try to cause trouble in my marriage, I don't know. Maybe she wanted Judy to be as unhappy as she was. Years later, after her divorce from Elvis, she apologized to me, which was fine, but she needed to apologize to Judy because Judy was the one that Priscilla had hurt so badly. She never did. What she did to Judy changed things between Priscilla and me for good, especially I had been there for her on several occasions to prevent problems between her and Elvis.



He also mentions this little interesting tidbit about Parker and Elvis's use of drugs:


Alot of people have criticized Colonel Parker for pushing Elvis out on the road so much, but there was a method to his madness. Touring was the only thing that kept Elvis clean for any period of time. That's why Elvis's tours were done in shorter bursts during the later and a half or so of his life.


Now, I'm not sure if I'd agree with the above statement because Elvis was going to get drugs from wherever and whoever he could - to me, it wouldn't have mattered if he was on tour or not.

Starting on page 323 of his book, he fully explains the reasons for writing "Elvis: What Happened?" (yes, I have his book right here in front of me):


Those closest to him knew he could no longer go down this road, which was a descent into madness with the pills fueling the ride. It is also why in August of 1976, Red, Dave and I sat down and began planning the book "Elvis; What Happened?"

"You Know, a book could generate some money for us and scare the **** out of Elvis to the point where he does something about his problem," Red said in proposing the idea to us at his house. "If we can scare him enough, maybe he'll clean up."

I called attorney John Irwin, who'd once been a member of Ed Hookstratten's firm, and he put us in touch with jeff Cooper of the Frank Cooper Agency, a highly regarded literary agency in Beverly Hills. Jeff was prettu much running the show for his semiretired father, Frank, but both of them listened to our story and agreed to represent us.

They began shopping the book proposal around to publishers, and almost everyone reacted with horror. They were afraid of lawsuits by Elvis, sure; but what I think mostly bothered them was the idea that Elvis Presley was hooked on prescription drugs. Who was more beloved in pop culture than Elvis? Nobody wanted a tarnished idol.

We did get a offer of $50,000.00 from the National Enquirer, but they just wanted to run articles over a period of several weeks, and we said no. A book would have more impact and shelf life.

When The Star, the Enquirer's rival tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch's World News Corporation, offered us a total of $125.000.00 and the sevices of ace reporter Steve Dunleavy to help us write the book (which would be excerpted in The Star), we accepted. Dunleavy, an Australian, had a reputation as a sogged and fearless scribe with an eye for the sensational. I didn't have a problem with him until much later.

The three of us signed the contract with World News Corporation, which in turn inked a deal for an original paperback book to be published by Ballatine, the paperback division of Random House. We began taping interviews for the book in a suit at the Continental Hyatt House on Sunset Strip in early October, 1976.

It didn't take long for Elvis to find out what we were up to.

About a week into our interviews with Dunleavy, he got a call from John O'Grady, who asked to speak to me. I took the call in the suite's bedroom.

"Sonny, I'm calling as an emissary for someone whom I'm representing," O'Grady said. "We don't need to say whose name it is or refer to who it is. I would just like to tell you that there are interests out there that prefer you not publish this book that the three of you are planning on writing."

When I began to tell him that he knew Elvis had a problem, O'Grady cut me off. It hit me at that moment that either Elvis was listening in on an extension or that O'Grady was taping the conversation and didn't want Elvis to hear that he and I had previously discussed his prescription problem.

"Sonny, I'm not here to talk about anything else other than possibly coming up with a figure for you not to do the book. I'm authorized to see if I can get you three to come up with a figure that I can take back to the person that I'm representing. If you come up with an agreeable amount, we can take care of this matter quickly," he said.

"So, he's trying to buy us off now, right?" I said.

"No, let's just call it overdue severance pay," answered O'Grady. John always did have a way with words.

I told him that we'd already signed a contracted and received the first two payments on our advance but O'Grady countered: "Sonny, you're not listening to me. If we can come up with an agreeable amount, you three can walk out of that room and not do that book. We will pay for any legal costs that might occur and refund any monies that have already been advanced."

I promised him that I would talk with Red and Dave about what was discussed, and O'Grady said that he would call back in fifteen minutes. I told it that it would take only five. I had a pretty good idea what the others would say.

I have read in some books a claim by O'Grady that he offered us $50,000.00 apiece and an "education allowance" to use for training in new careers, but that is an outright lie. No sum was ever mentioned to me. And we certainly didn't require any new career training.

When I hung up the phone, I called Red nd Dave into the room and reported my conversation with O'Grady. Then I said, "I know what my answer [to his offer] is, and I think I know yours. He's trying to buy us off. What do you say, guys??"

Red shook his head and declared, "No, not this time, man."

Dave made it unanimous: "Nope. That would just make us look like everybody else. Give then a car, give them money, give them whatever they want. But we're not going to be that way."

We knew that unless we went ahead with our plan, Elvis would not change his life. If we wrote the book, maybe he would.

When O'Grady called back, I gave him a firm 'No!". "Is that your final decision?", he asked.

"Yeah", I said tersely.

"Well, I'll convey your answer," O'Grady said, and we said good-bye.

After that call and the day's taping with Dunleavy, Red, Dave, and I huddled together and pretended to write a long statement and put all our documentation with it and give it to our lawyer to put in his safe for safekeeping. It was a ploy against the possibility of something of suspicious origina happening to us to prevent the book from being finished. The we let it be known, through our attorney, where those documents and statements were filed and that their release to the authorities and media would occur if something unfortunate happened to us.


In the beginning of the book, he talks about teh fans' reaction to the book and their feelings towards he and Red and Dave:


Over the years, many have accused us of writing "Elvis: What Happened?" to get even with him for firing us. I was fired or quit several times during my sixteen years with him and never even considered writing a book. But this time his life was at stake, and it seemed the only way to reach him was the book. Some said we did it for the money. But if money had been our object, we could have just accepted Elvis's offer to buy us off for not writing the book.

The more we told our story, the mor we realized our love for him and great concern for his welfareThe bottom line is, if you really love someone and he or she is in a bad situation, you do what you think it takes to help.

The book was a startling revelation to the media and Elvis's fans. Elvis and Colonelt Tom Parker had done a magnificent job over his career of carefully cultivating an all-American image, and the media and the the public didn't want to believe that Elvis had a drug abuse problem.

One media personality, Geraldo, Rivera, went on national television and out-and-out called us liars. This is the same individual who, two years later as an investigative reporter for ABC's 20/20, exposed to the world ina groundbreaking report that Elvis was in fact addicted to prescription drugs. So much for his eye-opening revelation Nobody ever accused Rivera of lacking nerve, and he actually invited Red to come on his show. Red agreed, with one stipulation: Rivera had to apologize to us on the air. Needless to say, we didn't go on the show. To my knowledge, Rivera has never publicly admitted that we told the truth about Elvis's problem, nor has he apologized for fcalling us liars.

The fans' passionate reaction to our book was not unexpected by us. We knew that because of their love for and devotion to Elvis, they would be angry about our revelations. To this day, there are some who don't accept the fact that Elvis had a problem. Elvis was a wonderful human being, but he he had human frailties as we all do. Addiction is a human frailty whether it be to medicine, alcohol, gambling, or overeating. You have to really want to beat your addiction and change your life to be successful. Elvis didn't even face the fact that he had an addiction.

Looking back almost thirty years later, I am forced to concede that even though our book sold three million copies, it was largely a failure. It didn't save Elvis, and neither did it convey to readers how much I loved the man.

By Focusing so much on Elvis's addiction and oddball behavior, I was remiss in not telling readers how much he meant to me.

Starting on page 337, he gives his insights and thoughts into Lisa Marie (I have used asteriks where foul language is used by her):

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Lisa marie said that the Memphis Mafia was a bad influence on her father. "They scared the **** out of me when i was a kid, too," she said. "I remembering seeing the Playboys, the drugs, the women - I watched it all, and I watched them. I know the real story behind all of them, and I know what they're out there doing." She is so full of herself, and if it wasn't so pitiful it would be funny. The memories of the Memphis Mafia are not the only subject that she has invented about her childhood days.

The only thing I ever influenced Elvis to do was get his hair cut by Jay Sebring. Maybe Lisa Marie saw somebody in the group with a date, but the impression she left was that there wild orgies going on. It didn't happen. Elvis wouldn't have allowed it, especially in front of his little girl. My wife and son lived there at Graceland while she said things were going on. I can promise you, they weren't.

Lisa Marie's comments hurt because some of us were like a second father to her. I personally escorted her to and from California many times after Elvis and Priscilla were divorced, and I watched over her as if she were my own child. She knew more card games than anyone, and that's how we spent time during the flights. There were plenty of times I could have used a name, but Lisa Marie would have none of it, pleading more games out of me until we landed.

The fact is that Lisa Marie was just nine years old when her father died. He wasn't around much after his divorce from Priscilla. He was usually on his best behavior whenever Lisa Marie was around, and the rest of us certainly were. For her to claim with a pointedly raised eyebrow that she "watched it all" is a joke.

Her own track record since her father's death is nothing to brag about. She has admitted dalliances with open sex and drugs and had brief and embarassing marriages to Michael Jackson and Nicholas Cage. She has been married a total of four times as of this writing. If Elvis were still alive, I think he'd come down on her like a ton of bricks. Her "tell-it-like-it-is" attitude, foul mouth, and blunt demeanor would be a const source of embarrassment to him.

My pastor told me once that those in Heaven are able to see the good things their loved ones here on Earth do, and it makes them happy. But God doesn't let them see anything that would upset them or cause them unhappiness. If this is true, then Elvis hasn't seen much of Lisa Marie lately.



Later, to end that portion of the book (near the front) he goes on to tell more about himself and he expounds on Elvis's religious upbriniging and whether Elvis was a Christian when he died:


Lord knows, I have not been seen by my loved ones who are in heaven for long periods of time, either. However, I have tried to be someone they would be proud of every day since 1990 when I rededicated my life to the Lord. I had just moved into a new home with my wife and children and started going to a chuch led by a minister called "Pastor Mac." I developed a close relationship with him as my pasd, and my guidance counselor. Before God called him to the ministry, Pastor Mac had been a professional muician. He was truly my inspiration for rededicating myse to the Lord God and His Son, Jesus. Pastor Mac's philosophies and teachings during the sermons seemed to be right on for me.

Judy, my wife of thirty-five years, always maintained that I was a "godly" man, but today she proudly boastt that I am a "spirit-filled man." Every day I give thanks to the Lord for the many blessings He bestows upon me. I try to avoid prayers for myself and instead pray for my famil and friends, their health, ahd tir prosperity, and their acceptance of the Lord Jesus as their savior.

I am frequently asked, "Was Elvis a Christian when he died?". To fully answer that question, you have to look at the road map of his life, not just his last years. He was raised in utter poverty, and his mother relied on the Lord to help her family through the rough times. Gladys passed on her love and faith in Jesus Christ to Elvis, and eve at the peak of his fame he never forgot his place in the grand oder of things. I remember during one performance in Las Vegas when a woman approached the stage carrying a pillow on which rested a crown. "It's for you," she told Elvis. "You're the King." Elvis took her hand in his, smiled, and said, "No, honey, there is only one King, and His Name is Jesus Christ. I'm just a singer." This story is true, but I don't think people who refer to Elvis as the "King" mean it in a religious form, just as a shortened version of the "King Of Rock & Roll".

Whenever female fans told Elvis they "worshipped" him, he would ask them to "love my music, but don't ever worship anyone but the Lord."

There's no doubt in my mind that Elvis is in Heaven singing with that angelic voice to his Creator for all eternity.


Finally, for those who don't have it, I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of the DVD, "Up Close & Personal With Sonny West". It's truly a very heartwarming (and sometimes tearful/heartbreaking) and very essential DVD to add to anyone's collection and it can be ordered through Sonny's own website here (http://www.sonnywest.com/TCBTime.html) or you can contact Sandi Pichon for more details.





I hope for honesty

As you can read above, Sonny was brutally honest in his book, so I don't see why or how the movie would be any different?

I just wonder (if it comes out) if it will go straight to DVD? If so....I'd love to get my hands on a copy.

[Brian]

I agree with every word, Brian. I think Sonny actually briefly mentions Priscilla in his book, "Elvis: Still Takin' Care Of Business" but he also doesn't speak highly of Lisa, either.

On pages 271-272 of his book, here's what he has to say about Priscilla (this is right after he mentions the near-fatal overdose of a girl named "Paige"in Palm Springs in the spring of 1971:




He also mentions this little interesting tidbit about Parker and Elvis's use of drugs:



Now, I'm not sure if I'd agree with the above statement because Elvis was going to get drugs from wherever and whoever he could - to me, it wouldn't have mattered if he was on tour or not.

Starting on page 323 of his book, he fully explains the reasons for writing "Elvis: What Happened?" (yes, I have his book right here in front of me):








As you can read above, Sonny was brutally honest in his book, so I don't see why or how the movie would be any different?

I just wonder (if it comes out) if it will go straight to DVD? If so....I'd love to get my hands on a copy.


I had never heard that story about the lizard tounge before.

I knew Priscilla has talked about it before and was pissed off at Elvis, but didn't know she turned around and said it was left for Sonny to try and cause problems in his and Judy's marriage.

interesting

[Brian]

Does anyone know if Elvis actually read the book EWH?

some people say he did while others say no.

If he never read the book it certainly wouldn't of helped.

I personally think writing the book EWH was a lost cause because if you look at addicts they won't get better until they admit they have a problem.

Take Johnny Cash and Jerry Lewis for example both had addictions to prescription medication, Cash's got started similar to Elvis' by working too much and he needed pills to keep up.
Jerry Lewis got started from legitimate injuries they both got hooked but the other thing that Cash and Lewis had in common besides the drug addictions was that they both admitted they were addicted.

In Elvis' mind street drugs were bad but if it was given to by a doctor it was okay he never even came close to admiting he had a problem and if he lived he probably would have continued thinking that way.

People say there was no Betty Ford Clinic but if there was they talk as if it would've made a difference.
I say it wouldn't of made a difference because Elvis never would of gone to one anyway.

[Brian]

Another problem I have with this movie is the casting

I think Don Johnson, Dale Midkiff and Jonathan Rhys Meyers were all miscast as Elvis with the exception of Michael St. Gerard and Kurt Russell I don't think anyone has even done a passable job.

on another Elvis message board they were talking about who they would cast in a big screen biopic about Elvis if one was ever made well one person mentioned that they would cast Johnny Depp.
I think Johnny Depp would've made a good choice in the early 90's but what about now?

They will probably get some unknown actor for this and I don't know if that will be good or bad.

With the exception of the 2005 miniseries I think every actress that has played Priscilla has been good.
I think Rose Mcgowan was miscast as Ann Margret and portrayed wrongly

The success of this movie really comes down to the script, budget and the right actors being cast.

[debtdbruno]

Thanks for those Tony,.
I have read both books, and ultimately, Elvis was to blame, he wouldn't face his problem.

We can condemn the MM, Priscilla etc...but NONE of us lived their lives. It is hard to judge when you wern't there.

[Tony Trout]

Does anyone know if Elvis actually read the book EWH?

some people say he did while others say no.

If he never read the book it certainly wouldn't of helped.


Brian,

According to Billy Smith in "Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia", Elvis did read some galley proofs or previews of the book (I don't know how he could've gotten ahold of them, though).




I personally think writing the book EWH was a lost cause because if you look at addicts they won't get better until they admit they have a problem.

Take Johnny Cash and Jerry Lewis for example both had addictions to prescription medication, Cash's got started similar to Elvis' by working too much and he needed pills to keep up.

Jerry Lewis got started from legitimate injuries they both got hooked but the other thing that Cash and Lewis had in common besides the drug addictions was that they both admitted they were addicted.

In Elvis' mind street drugs were bad but if it was given to by a doctor it was okay he never even came close to admiting he had a problem and if he lived he probably would have continued thinking that way.

People say there was no Betty Ford Clinic but if there was they talk as if it would've made a difference.

I say it wouldn't of made a difference because Elvis never would of gone to one anyway.


I agree with you 100%, Brian. (BTW, I hope you were able to read the 'additions' I put in my original reply?)

You can't get an addict help until they admit that they have a problem and want to help themselves.

Once again, in "Elvis Aaron Presley Revelations From the Memphis Mafia", Billy Smith tells a story about Elvis actually finally owning up to/admitting his problems and making up a speech about wanting to get help if the audiences started booing him about having a problem with drugs - but we'll never know now if he would've done that now. :'(

[Pacerstar]

Thanks for those Tony,.
I have read both books, and ultimately, Elvis was to blame, he wouldn't face his problem.

We can condemn the MM, Priscilla etc...but NONE of us lived their lives. It is hard to judge when you wern't there.

None of us has lived Elvis' life either. I agree we can't blame those around
him for the choices and decisions that he made; but, imo, now that all is
over and done with, we can afford to show a little compassion for the man
behind the myth!:D:D:D:D:D:D

[debtdbruno]

Too true............we will always love him, for the Man he was, not 'The Image'

[Jungleroom76]

We can condemn the MM, Priscilla etc...but NONE of us lived their lives. It is hard to judge when you wern't there.

That is a very good point Deb!!! (y)

I am just as guilty as many of second guessing the many people around Elvis and what they could have done differently to change the course of Elvis' life & career! But obviously, the Elvis Presley story has been written and we can only imagine what could have been... :hmm:

But the second guessing certainly does make for interesting conversations!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

On pages 271-272 of his book, here's what he has to say about Priscilla (this is right after he mentions the near-fatal overdose of a girl named "Paige"in Palm Springs in the spring of 1971:

He also mentions this little interesting tidbit about Parker and Elvis's use of drugs:

Now, I'm not sure if I'd agree with the above statement because Elvis was going to get drugs from wherever and whoever he could - to me, it wouldn't have mattered if he was on tour or not.

Starting on page 323 of his book, he fully explains the reasons for writing "Elvis: What Happened?" (yes, I have his book right here in front of me):

In the beginning of the book, he talks about teh fans' reaction to the book and their feelings towards he and Red and Dave:

Starting on page 337, he gives his insights and thoughts into Lisa Marie (I have used asteriks where foul language is used by her):

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Lisa marie said that the Memphis Mafia was a bad influence on her father. "They scared the **** out of me when i was a kid, too," she said. "I remembering seeing the Playboys, the drugs, the women - I watched it all, and I watched them. I know the real story behind all of them, and I know what they're out there doing." She is so full of herself, and if it wasn't so pitiful it would be funny. The memories of the Memphis Mafia are not the only subject that she has invented about her childhood days.

The only thing I ever influenced Elvis to do was get his hair cut by Jay Sebring. Maybe Lisa Marie saw someobody in the group with a date, but the impression she left was that there wild orgies going on. It didn't happen. Elvis wouldn't have allowed it, especially in front of his little girl. My wife and son lived there at Graceland while she said things were going on. I can promise you, they weren't.

Lisa Marie's comments hurt because some of us were like a second father to her. I personally escorted her to and from California many times after Elvis and Priscilla were divorced, and I watched over her as if she were my own child. She knew more card games than anyone, and that's how we spent time during the flights. There were plenty of times I could have used a name, but Lisa Marie would have none of it, pleading more games out of me until we landed.

The fact is that Lisa Marie was just nine years old when her father died. He wasn't around much after his divorce from Priscilla. He was usually on his best behavior whenever Lisa Marie was around, and the rest of us certainly were. For her to claim with a pointedly raised eyebrow that she "watched it all" is a joke.

Her own track record since her father's death is nothing to brag about. She has admitted dalliances with open sex and drugs and had brief and embarassing marriages to Michael Jackson and Nicholas Cage. She has been married a total of four times as of this writing. If Elvis were still alive, I think he'd come down on her like a ton of bricks. Her "tell-it-like-it-is" attitude, foul mouth, and blunt demeanor would be a const source of embarassment to him.

My pastor told me once that those in Heaven are able to see the good things their loved ones here on Earth do, and it makes them happy. But God doesn't let them see anything that would upset them or cause them unhappiness. If this is true, then Elvis hasn't seen much of Lisa Marie lately.

Later, to end that portion of the book (near the front) he goes on to tell more about himself and he expounds on Elvis's religious upbriniging and whether Elvis was a Christian when he died:

Finally, for those who don't have it, I would strongly suggest picking up a copy of the DVD, "Up Close & Personal With Sonny West". It's truly a very heartwarming (and sometimes tearful/heartbreaking) and very essential DVD to add to anyone's collection and it can be ordered through Sonny's own website here (http://www.sonnywest.com/TCBTime.html) or you can contact Sandi Pichon for more details.

As you can read above, Sonny was brutally honest in his book, so I don't see why or how the movie would be any different?

I just wonder (if it comes out) if it will go straight to DVD? If so....I'd love to get my hands on a copy.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFORMATION TONY!!! :notworthy

I admit I haven't read STILL TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS but thanks to your excerpts and high praise of the book, it definitely has me thinking that I need to pick up a copy!!! Especially since I have seen the UP CLOSE DVD and was already on the fence about Sonny and how he is trying to make up for EWH and how things were perceived during that whole time period. :hmm:

Guess I need to start browsing my local bookstore...thanks again buddy!!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[debtdbruno]

That is a very good point Deb!!! (y)

I am just as guilty as many of second guessing the many people around Elvis and what they could have done differently to change the course of Elvis' life & career! But obviously, the Elvis Presley story has been written and we can only imagine what could have been... :hmm:

But the second guessing certainly does make for interesting conversations!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

That's what we all love doing.......second guessing...LOL

[Jungleroom76]

That's what we all love doing.......second guessing...LOL

Yep...otherwise our conversations around here would be VERY short and VERY boring some of the time... :'( ;)

TCB!
Mike

[debtdbruno]

very true Mike

Deb

[Brian]

I agree with you 100%, Brian. (BTW, I hope you were able to read the 'additions' I put in my original reply?)

You can't get an addict help until they admit that they have a problem and want to help themselves.

Once again, in "Elvis Aaron Presley Revelations From the Memphis Mafia", Billy Smith tells a story about Elvis actually finally owning up to/admitting his problems and making up a speech about wanting to get help if the audiences started booing him about having a problem with drugs - but we'll never know now if he would've done that now. :'(


Yes, I've heard Elvis came up with a plan to speak about his problems or the book during the upcoming tour if any of the fans brought it up.
I doubt they would have because a lot of fans tend to turn a blind eye towards this kind of thing.

thanks for posting Sonny's comments about Lisa Marie.

It's interesting that Sonny says Elvis wouldn't be happy with her.

[Sweet_One_E.]

now I must read the book.

[Merry]

All I can say, is that the ones who complain the loudest, are justifying themselves, or have something to hide. This is a well known fact in human behaviour.

Lisa has a lot of class always ignoring all this money making carry-on. She made her comments when she was in her 20's, and much more than a decade later, Sonny, who isn't acting fatherly at all, refers to her comments in a book, which appears, to be in a revengeful way.

Sonny isn't an http://r3ysha.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/29_03_07_angel20copy.jpg .

He is well rehearsed, and I don't understand how some people don't see it a mile away. Just watch him being interviewed.

Sonny is referring to comments made by Lisa, a long time ago, (when she looked in her 20's), on "E Hollywood Story" (if I recall correctly) which Sonny and Marty still hold a grudge for. Good on Lisa, she was replying to what they shouldn't have said about Elvis, who they call their brother, and best friend, which was personal. Is there anything fatherly in talking about Lisa that way? Sonny is older, and has a lot more life experience. Sonny has contradicted himself by referring to being fatherly, then knocking Lisa now, that shouldn't change in my opinion. There is a sad story about Sonny's son, which is tragic, to do with the subject Sonny knocks Lisa for. Sonny is in a glass house and shouldn't throw stones.

That said, this all happened soooo long ago, and people should love each other, as we know.

[Brian]

All I can say, is that the ones who complain the loudest, are justifying themselves, or have something to hide. This is a well known fact in human behaviour.

Lisa has a lot of class always ignoring all this money making carry-on. She made her comments when she was in her 20's, and much more than a decade later, Sonny, who isn't acting fatherly at all, refers to her comments in a book, which appears, to be in a revengeful way.

Sonny isn't an http://r3ysha.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/29_03_07_angel20copy.jpg .

He is well rehearsed, and I don't understand how some people don't see it a mile away. Just watch him being interviewed.

Sonny is referring to comments made by Lisa, a long time ago, (when she looked in her 20's), on "E Hollywood Story" (if I recall correctly) which Sonny and Marty still hold a grudge for. Good on Lisa, she was replying to what they shouldn't have said about Elvis, who they call their brother, and best friend, which was personal. Is there anything fatherly in talking about Lisa that way? Sonny is older, and has a lot more life experience. Sonny has contradicted himself by referring to being fatherly, then knocking Lisa now, that shouldn't change in my opinion. There is a sad story about Sonny's son, which is tragic, to do with the subject Sonny knocks Lisa for. Sonny is in a glass house and shouldn't throw stones.

That said, this all happened soooo long ago, and people should love each other, as we know.

Well actually Kim she continues to make these comments about the Memphis mafia.
On Elvis by the Presley's and when she was promoting her CD in 2003 so it's fairly recently.
She'd probably still be running all of them down but she's been out of the public eye these past couple of years.

[Merry]

Well actually Kim she continues to make these comments about the Memphis mafia.
On Elvis by the Presley's and when she was promoting her CD in 2003 so it's fairly recently.
She'd probably still be running all of them down but she's been out of the public eye these past couple of years.


I didn't know, Brian, thank you; however, Lisa has every right to stand up for her father, and I say: "Good on you, Lisa"(y)

[debtdbruno]

Yes, I've heard Elvis came up with a plan to speak about his problems or the book during the upcoming tour if any of the fans brought it up.
I doubt they would have because a lot of fans tend to turn a blind eye towards this kind of thing.

thanks for posting Sonny's comments about Lisa Marie.

It's interesting that Sonny says Elvis wouldn't be happy with her.


Would be interesting to know what Elvis would think about LM's life upto date would be. I think he would squirm at some of what she's said and done.
He was such a private person.

[Sweet_One_E.]

no one has the right to talk about things they don't see or or know with their own eyes. people don't like when others do it to Elvis, I agree. when does it all stop. why give the mm anymore attention than they deserve, I wouldn't

[Getlo]

no one has the right to talk about things they don't see or or know with their own eyes.

The MM were there.

Lisa was a child; she knows next to nothing what went on.

[Getlo]

she was replying to what they shouldn't have said about Elvis, who they call their brother, and best friend, which was personal.


What, and Lisa Marie confessing to all and sundry about her sexual preferences and predilections wasn't personal?

The MM knew her daddy better than she did!

[May]

All I can say, is that the ones who complain the loudest, are justifying themselves, or have something to hide. This is a well known fact in human behaviour.
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Thats a very good point. (y)

[Merry]

What, and Lisa Marie confessing to all and sundry about her sexual preferences and predilections wasn't personal?

The MM knew her daddy better than she did!


Lisa chose to speak about herself, like we all do (or not).

In a perfect world, most of us shouldn't speak about other's private business, especially knowing they are private people, don't you agree?

[Merry]

Thats a very good point. (y)



Thank you, my dear, lol :D rofl (y)

[Pacerstar]

The MM were there.

Lisa was a child; she knows next to nothing what went on.

In my experience, children are a lot more observant and know a lot more than
a lot of people give them credit for.:D:D:D:D

[Getlo]

In a perfect world, most of us shouldn't speak about other's private business, especially knowing they are private people, don't you agree?

Not when that person is a celebrity and dead, no.


In my experience, children are a lot more observant and know a lot more than a lot of people give them credit for.:D:D:D:D

A nine-year old, and one who was at Graceland for a comparitively small amount of time, has little or no authority, IMO.

[Neverending]

Interesting to read all this different opinions about Sonny West.

But fact is: He wrote EWH - and how he told just for revenge and disapointment to get fired. He called himelf one of Elvis best friend.... best friend?? I have my doubts.
In his second book "still taking care of business" I couldn't read nothing different as to the first book. And the way he talks about Lisa Marie sounds as he is still angry because
she doesn't accept the members of the MM - only Jery Schilling.
Fact also is that he and others of the MM are touring around Europe to different Elvis Fanclub or advents, telling "his" side of the story of his life with Elvis. And nobody can tell me that he not know very well what fans want to hear.
I'm not say that every word is a lie - but in my opinion a true and genuine friend never ever talk about his "friend" like he is doing and telling all this sad and very private stories of Elvis. Maybe I can understand the reason to do the first book - but not the second one. But it is a well-known thing - a book without dirt is not so interesting and
difficult to sale.
It is sad that dollars make them all forget the friendship, loyality and "love" for Elvis.

Yes, Elvis had a drug problems, maybe it wasn't sometimes easy to handle him - but he was not a "machine" with functioned by button - he was a human with all his faults, weakness and strongness like every person. And I think nobody can really imagine how much pressure it means to be Elvis Presley and to live an image.

Sorry if my English is not perfect but I hope undertandable.

[Getlo]

In his second book "still taking care of business" I couldn't read nothing different as to the first book.

Then may I suggest you re-read both books again?


telling "his" side of the story of his life with Elvis. And nobody can tell me that he not know very well what fans want to hear.

You've obviously never been to one of Sonny's shows. He will answer any question from anyone in the audience, and he tells it like it is. Fans want to hear the truth.


I'm not say that every word is a lie - but in my opinion a true and genuine friend never ever talk about his "friend" like he is doing and telling all this sad and very private stories of Elvis.

There is nothing in either of his books that is untrue. Not one thing.


Maybe I can understand the reason to do the first book - but not the second one. But it is a well-known thing - a book without dirt is not so interesting and difficult to sale.It is sad that dollars make them all forget the friendship, loyality and "love" for Elvis.

EPE, Lisa and Cilla are making more monety selling crap merchandise and rip-off reissue records. I'd rather read a book by someone who was there.
And when someone like the MM maligns their characters and spreadss Cilla-inspired BS, they have the right to set the record straight.


Yes, Elvis had a drug problems, maybe it wasn't sometimes easy to handle him - but he was not a "machine" with functioned by button - he was a human with all his faults, weakness and strongness like every person.

No one, least of all the MM or Sonny, says that Elvis was a machine. And Sonny is the first to admit to his own drug problems ... which were nothing compared to Elvis'.

And nowhere does Sonny blame Elvis for his addictions. But Elvis can be blamed for his behaviour because of his addictions. The parts where Elvis is blamed ... well, Elvis was to blame.

[Brian]

The MM were there.

Lisa was a child; she knows next to nothing what went on.


The story she started telling on EBTP where she said she would catch the MM with women in there lap cheating on their wives and then they would be all scared of her because she would threaten to fire them if they didn't do what they said sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense.

LMP didn't have the authority to fire them she was just a kid.

[Sweet_One_E.]

and what does this say about her father?? she should be ashamed. her father allowed her in the middle of parties with other women around and when drugs were being done. nonsense. does not sound like Elvis, he was protective and got mad when rumors went around. Linda was there much of the time, so why would she love Linda so much if linda allowed her to see things. that women was a spoiled brat and still is. I have a feeling that Elvis would kick someone's butt if they got out of hand when Lisa was around, and I think he tried to hide his addiction from her and that is why he went into the rant on stage. memories can be believe if someone tells you enough.
maybe the lie Priscilla told she told her and many more. I don't blame her because her hurt was big. but after a while they both protected her and did not want her harmed from the divorce even, so her story has no substance.

[FB-JC-474]

Interesting to read all this different opinions about Sonny West.

Fact also is that he and others of the MM are touring around Europe to different Elvis Fanclub or advents, telling "his" side of the story of his life with Elvis. And nobody can tell me that he not know very well what fans want to hear.
That's a good point, Neverending.
I rembemer an interview which was done by a member of the german elvisnachrichten.de forum. In this interview I got exactly the impression you mention. Sonny seems to be quite smart and he can make people happy by telling them exactly what they want to hear.

[debtdbruno]

The MM were there.

Lisa was a child; she knows next to nothing what went on.


Agree there Getlo(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[debtdbruno]

The story she started telling on EBTP where she said she would catch the MM with women in there lap cheating on their wives and then they would be all scared of her because she would threaten to fire them if they didn't do what they said sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense.

LMP didn't have the authority to fire them she was just a kid.

It does sound a bit far-fetched this story(y)(y)

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The story she started telling on EBTP where she said she would catch the MM with women in there lap cheating on their wives and then they would be all scared of her because she would threaten to fire them if they didn't do what they said sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense.

LMP didn't have the authority to fire them she was just a kid.

LOL! We know Lisa was just a child and didn't have the authority to fire them;
but, would they have wanted her to tell her father or their wives?:lol::lol::lol:

[Tony Trout]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFORMATION TONY!!! :notworthy

I admit I haven't read STILL TAKIN' CARE OF BUSINESS but thanks to your excerpts and high praise of the book, it definitely has me thinking that I need to pick up a copy!!! Especially since I have seen the UP CLOSE DVD and was already on the fence about Sonny and how he is trying to make up for EWH and how things were perceived during that whole time period. :hmm:

Guess I need to start browsing my local bookstore...thanks again buddy!!! ;)

TCB!
Mike


Mike,

You're welcome. At first, I was a little hesitant to post most of what I had posted.

And as far as getting a copy of the book, I bought my copy off of Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Elvis-Still-Taking-Care-Business/dp/1572439394/ref=sr_oe_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253573511&sr=1-1) but you can also order it directly through Sonny, himself, or Sandi Pichon can give you information on how to order it.




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Would be interesting to know what Elvis would think about LM's life up to date would be. I think he would squirm at some of what she's said and done.
He was such a private person.


Like Sonny says in his book, Elvis would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the stuff that Lisa was into - specifically referring to their involvement in the Church Of Scientology. Here's what he says on pages 165-166:


For a while, Elvis flirted with the Church of Scientology, but in the end he mismissed it as "All head and no heart." In the early '70s, he gave it anothe shot and evenwent through an "auditding process" where they made up some charts for him at their center on Sunset Boulevard. Five minutes later he came bolting out of the place, curing up a blue streak.

"**** those people!" he screamed, shaking his head. "There's no way I'll ever get involved with those **** people. All they want is my money." Ironically, Priscilla and Lisa Marie involved themselves with Scientology after Elvis's death. And he is probably spinning in his grave over the fact that they have aligned themselves with this strange religion.




The MM were there.

Lisa was a child; she knows next to nothing what went on.

Exactly!




What, and Lisa Marie confessing to all and sundry about her sexual preferences and predilections wasn't personal?

The MM knew her daddy better than she did!


Lisa chose to speak about herself, like we all do (or not).

In a perfect world, most of us shouldn't speak about other's private business, especially knowing they are private people, don't you agree?



Not when that person is a celebrity and dead, no.



A nine-year old, and one who was at Graceland for a comparatively small amount of time, has little or no authority, IMO.


Sorry, Kimmi, but I gotta agree with Getlo here - especially when speaking of her father's private business and him deceased. That's uncalled for.




In his second book "still taking care of business" I couldn't read nothing different as to the first book.



Then may I suggest you re-read both books again?



You've obviously never been to one of Sonny's shows. He will answer any question from anyone in the audience, and he tells it like it is. Fans want to hear the truth.



There is nothing in either of his books that is untrue. Not one thing.



EPE, Lisa and Cilla are making more money selling crap merchandise and rip-off reissue records. I'd rather read a book by someone who was there.
And when someone like the MM maligns their characters and spreads Cilla-inspired BS, they have the right to set the record straight.



No one, least of all the MM or Sonny, says that Elvis was a machine. And Sonny is the first to admit to his own drug problems ... which were nothing compared to Elvis'.

And nowhere does Sonny blame Elvis for his addictions. But Elvis can be blamed for his behaviour because of his addictions. The parts where Elvis is blamed ... well, Elvis was to blame.


Bingo, Getlo! (y)




The story she started telling on EBTP where she said she would catch the MM with women in there lap cheating on their wives and then they would be all scared of her because she would threaten to fire them if they didn't do what they said sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense.

LMP didn't have the authority to fire them she was just a kid.

Exactly, Brian. She, IMO, only used it as a "scare tactic" to make them afraid that Elvis would fire them.




It does sound a bit far-fetched this story(y)(y)


It is far-fetched because, as Sonny says in his book, Elvis would've never allowed Lisa to see something like that!

[Brian]

LOL! We know Lisa was just a child and didn't have the authority to fire them;
but, would they have wanted her to tell her father or their wives?:lol::lol::lol:

She didn't say she would tell her father.

She said that she would fire them if they didn't do what she said.

[Jungleroom76]

Mike,

You're welcome. At first, I was a little hesitant to post most of what I had posted.

And as far as getting a copy of the book, I bought my copy of of Amazon but you can also order it directly through Sonny, himself, or Sandi Pichon can give you information on how to order it.

Cool....thanks again Tony!!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[presley31]

She didn't say she would tell her father.

She said that she would fire them if they didn't do what she said.

Children learn from there parents ;)

[Brian]

Children learn from there parents ;)

that's not the point

The MM would know that LMP couldn't fire them.

The story of her saying they would be all scared of her because she would personally fire them if they didn't do what she said is B.S.

[presley31]

that's not the point

The MM would know that LMP couldn't fire them.

The story of her saying they would be all scared of her because she would personally fire them if they didn't do what she said is B.S.


Maybe so but Lisa hasn't been caught in to many lies to l would tend to believe her more than l would anybody else.

BTW i have seen EBTP many times and not once do l remember her saying that the mm were scared of her firing them. Can you post a clip of that part so l can see it.

[Brian]

Maybe so but Lisa hasn't been caught in to many lies to l would tend to believe her more than l would anybody else.

BTW i have seen EBTP many times and not once do l remember her saying that the mm were scared of her firing them. Can you post a clip of that part so l can see it.

I would but I don't know how to do that.

I think you have to take things on a case by case basis as to who is telling the truth and who isn't.

Several of LMP stories are so far fetched they don't even sound believeable
including this one.

[presley31]

I would but I don't know how to do that.

I think you have to take things on a case by case basis as to who is telling the truth and who isn't.

Several of LMP stories are so far fetched they don't even sound believeable
including this one.

Sorry but this is where l'am going to disgree. I think she is honest person who doesn't beat around the brush with anyone and speaks her mind which l think some don't seem to like but l do and enjoy reading stuff from her anytime l can.

[Sweet_One_E.]

I can picture it now, a 7-9 year old goes and tattles on the MM to Elvis, I think he knew what went on, and as for the wives, would you believe a kid that age? would you feel threatened by a child. most humorous

[Pacerstar]

I can picture it now, a 7-9 year old goes and tattles on the MM to Elvis, I think he knew what went on, and as for the wives, would you believe a kid that age? would you feel threatened by a child. most humorous

That would depend on who the child was. In this case, she was Elvis' adored
daughter! He might have believed what she had to say and even, if he knew
what the guys were doing, he might have been very unhappy to know how
it seemed to his little daughter. As for wives, knowing what those wives
probably suspected anyway, yes, I would say they might have taken the word
of a 7 - 9 year old child.:D:D

[Sweet_One_E.]

and that is the point, he adored her, Linda adored her they adored her, the child was precious to many, it would not have happened. and even if they suspected spoiled children lie much to get their way, crying wolf and after a while no one believes anyway. I think Graceland was sacred ground.

[Neverending]

Then may I suggest you re-read both books again?

Not neccesary - I have both books and about 60 books more.... :)
That means after reading all this books, except the scrap-book of the Stanleys - you get a little impression what could be true or not. Interessting is the discrepancy in their own words. For example: Sonny tell about the accident by filming Flaming Star that his cousin Red broke his arm when he was doing a stunt with Elvis. Red by himsellf tell the story different....

Or the story that Elvis want to shot Mike Stone. It was not because he was the lover of Priscilla, no - it was because M. Stone want to change the right of acces to Lisa Marie and Priscilla was so stupid to tell Elvis this.

But this story you can read in 5 different books in 5 different versions :D


You've obviously never been to one of Sonny's shows. He will answer any question from anyone in the audience, and he tells it like it is. Fans want to hear the truth.

No, never was and never will go there.... sure he will answer each question from each fan. Of course he tell his truth - but this is only a one side-story.
And I think Sonny is so clever, that he knows what fans want to hear about Elvis. I'm not saying that all his stories are a lie, but not all are the truth.
Don't forget that all persons of the MM have their own agenda. And it is very easy to talk about a person who not can defend himself anymore.
I believe that Sonny really liked or loved Elvis - no question. But my under-standing of real friendship is, that I don't tell very private things of my friend -specially after his death.

And last but not least: Not forget he want to sell his book, he want to make money.... or you believe he do it "just for fun"?

There is nothing in either of his books that is untrue. Not one thing.


How you can be sure of this? You was there or you lived with Elvis?

EPE, Lisa and Cilla are making more monety selling crap merchandise and rip-off reissue records. I'd rather read a book by someone who was there.
And when someone like the MM maligns their characters and spreadss Cilla-inspired BS, they have the right to set the record straight.


That's true - but I don't believe every of Priscilla's words. In too many live inteviews she told her stories in a different way. So that means I don't believe all her statements.And yes, they sell a lot of crap merchandise and making money - but the only difference is: They make more money as the MM with their "merchandise"[/B]

No one, least of all the MM or Sonny, says that Elvis was a machine. And Sonny is the first to admit to his own drug problems ... which were nothing compared to Elvis'.

I think this is true.

And nowhere does Sonny blame Elvis for his addictions. But Elvis can be blamed for his behaviour because of his addictions. The parts where Elvis is blamed ... well, Elvis was to blame.


That's right. Nowhere can blame another person for his addiction. But what is the reason of addiction? Fun or sickness, pressure? It is very easy to say that Elvis is blamed for his addiction of prescribtion medications without knowing why he take too much of this drugs. Could it be because there was too many "starbucked" doctors who only see the money behind the supestar, but not the human?? That he was crying out of help - but nobody understand? In my undestanding it is not enough to try to help when you tell an addict that he takes too much drugs. At first you must know the reason and only then you can try to help a friend.
But I don't believe that Elvis had so much confidence to his employees and
friends that he told them all of his thoughts, problems or whatever.
No, he was very suspicious because he never was sure if they love him for the person he was or they was in love with the Superstar and his money.

And no, I don't judge Sonny West - because I cannot judge a person without knowing personal - but I can judge his words.:bye:

[Merry]

I can picture it now, a 7-9 year old goes and tattles on the MM to Elvis, I think he knew what went on, and as for the wives, would you believe a kid that age? would you feel threatened by a child. most humorous


Hi Sweet_One_E,

Yes, especially since they said that they were fatherly :hmm:

Trip themselves up.

[Merry]

Like Sonny says in his book, Elvis would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the stuff that Lisa was into - specifically referring to their involvement in the Church Of Scientology. Here's what he says on pages 165-166:




Sonny shouldn't make comments from his glass house, honey.

[May]

The story she started telling on EBTP where she said she would catch the MM with women in there lap cheating on their wives and then they would be all scared of her because she would threaten to fire them if they didn't do what they said sounds like the biggest bunch of nonsense.

LMP didn't have the authority to fire them she was just a kid.

of course she didnt have the authority to fire them. It was more like she would say something rather negative about them to her dad and if he didnt like the sound of it HE would fire them. depending on what it was!

[May]

Maybe so but Lisa hasn't been caught in to many lies to l would tend to believe her more than l would anybody else.

BTW i have seen EBTP many times and not once do l remember her saying that the mm were scared of her firing them. Can you post a clip of that part so l can see it.

You're right, it doesnt say that.(y) She says something about 'firing them' as well as laughing at the time. Clearly she didnt take herself too seriously!

[Sweet_One_E.]

I don't think the memories or words of a child that age would stand up in court, so why would a mature person believe? what she says IMO is a back-handed insult to Elvis.

[May]

what she says IMO is a back-handed insult to Elvis.

How's that?:doh::doh:

[Sweet_One_E.]

because he was a good father I feel, a protective father. maybe he was on drugs but I have a feeling he would try to hide that from her. like I said exactly why he went on that rant about what some were saying. I think he tried hard to shield her and many things prove it. even though he had problems that he could not overcome, I think he tried to be the best father he could. a good father would not expose his daughter to those things. and she should not say he did. and did she not say, she could not save MJ from his addiction, were her children not around an addicted man, who was very creepy. who is she to talk at all. that's what I think

[Brian]

of course she didnt have the authority to fire them. It was more like she would say something rather negative about them to her dad and if he didnt like the sound of it HE would fire them. depending on what it was!

again that's not what she said

She said she would personally threaten to fire them if they didn't do whatever she wanted, and the MM would be all scared of her firing them and so they did do whatever she said.
Yeah right

She did not say she'd run and tell her dad.

[presley31]

You're right, it doesnt say that.(y) She says something about 'firing them' as well as laughing at the time. Clearly she didnt take herself too seriously!

Yep may this is my understanding too(y)

[presley31]

because he was a good father I feel, a protective father. maybe he was on drugs but I have a feeling he would try to hide that from her. like I said exactly why he went on that rant about what some were saying. I think he tried hard to shield her and many things prove it. even though he had problems that he could not overcome, I think he tried to be the best father he could. a good father would not expose his daughter to those things. and she should not say he did. and did she not say, she could not save MJ from his addiction, were her children not around an addicted man, who was very creepy. who is she to talk at all. that's what I think

I'am going to disgree there cause l think she has seen alot more than what your talking about here and yes elvis would not be pleased with her actions but l really don't think he would be pleased with half the stuff that went on after his death and thats including friends and family. I don't see no insult coming from Lisa at all;)

[May]

Yep may this is my understanding too(y)

I think that is most peoples understanding. and more than likely how she meant it. (y)(y)

[May]

again that's not what she said

She said she would personally threaten to fire them if they didn't do whatever she wanted, and the MM would be all scared of her firing them and so they did do whatever she said.
Yeah right

She did not say she'd run and tell her dad.

Well if you think she meant that she, as a nine year old (and younger), thought she was going to sack people...........:doh::doh: thats up to you. :D

[May]

I'am going to disgree there cause l think she has seen alot more than what your talking about here and yes elvis would not be pleased with her actions but l really don't think he would be pleased with half the stuff that went on after his death and thats including friends and family. I don't see no insult coming from Lisa at all;)

Agreed(y)(y)(y)

[Sweet_One_E.]

I'am going to disgree there cause l think she has seen alot more than what your talking about here and yes elvis would not be pleased with her actions but l really don't think he would be pleased with half the stuff that went on after his death and thats including friends and family. I don't see no insult coming from Lisa at all;)

you think he was the type of father to openly use drugs in front of her and let sleezy behavior happen?? I refuse to believe that. please what is it about him or his actions that would make you think he would be so irresponsible. his words and actions I believe prove otherwise

[debtdbruno]

you think he was the type of father to openly use drugs in front of her and let sleezy behavior happen?? I refuse to believe that. please what is it about him or his actions that would make you think he would be so irresponsible. his words and actions I believe prove otherwise


I don't think anyone would say that.
Elvis would not allow 'shananagins' of any sort whilst LM was around

[FB-JC-474]

I don't think anyone would say that.
Elvis would not allow 'shananagins' of any sort whilst LM was around

I think you are right at that point.
But Lisa didn't have Elvis rhythm of life with getting up at 4 p.m. etc. Children usually get up early eben if they went to bed very late.
And there always where people arround even when Elvis was asleep. So none of us can tell what Lisa might have seen while Elvis was not with her.

If Elvis had known he surely wouldn't have allowed a behaviour like this in front of his daughter. But did he know everything that was going on in his own house, especially during the last months of his life?

[Pacerstar]

I think you are right at that point.
But Lisa didn't have Elvis rhythm of life with getting up at 4 p.m. etc. Children usually get up early eben if they went to bed very late.
And there always where people arround even when Elvis was asleep. So none of us can tell what Lisa might have seen while Elvis was not with her.

If Elvis had known he surely wouldn't have allowed a behaviour like this in front of his daughter. But did he know everything that was going on in his own house, especially during the last months of his life?

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[presley31]

you think he was the type of father to openly use drugs in front of her and let sleezy behavior happen?? I refuse to believe that. please what is it about him or his actions that would make you think he would be so irresponsible. his words and actions I believe prove otherwise

I didn't say elvis was using around Lisa but what happened around her is what we don't know when elvis like another member posted when he was sleeping and such..how would we know what the anybody was up to than? I would never say that elvis was a bad father and nor would l ever say he would harm his daughter in any way, but not every little girl tells lies about things that happened in there lives and its unfair to say she is telling them when the simple fact is we don't know.

[presley31]

I think you are right at that point.
But Lisa didn't have Elvis rhythm of life with getting up at 4 p.m. etc. Children usually get up early eben if they went to bed very late.
And there always where people arround even when Elvis was asleep. So none of us can tell what Lisa might have seen while Elvis was not with her.

If Elvis had known he surely wouldn't have allowed a behaviour like this in front of his daughter. But did he know everything that was going on in his own house, especially during the last months of his life?

Agreed(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Brian]

Well if you think she meant that she, as a nine year old (and younger), thought she was going to sack people...........:doh::doh: thats up to you. :D

She said she would threaten to personally fire them and tell their wives.
She just didn't imply it.

I remember her saying that because when she said that it sounded so unbelieveable.

[Merry]

She said she would threaten to personally fire them and tell their wives.
She just didn't imply it.

I remember her saying that because when she said that it sounded so unbelieveable.



Who did you read this from, Brian?

[Brian]

Who did you read this from, Brian?

I believe it was excerpts from the then upcoming EBTP book which had several stories from Lisa
I remember reading it from the Elvis Information Network

Lisa's repeated those stories since too.
I wonder if she really believes them.

[May]

She said she would threaten to personally fire them and tell their wives.
She just didn't imply it.

I remember her saying that because when she said that it sounded so unbelieveable.

I dont think so.

[Brian]

I dont think so.

Is this one of those times where you don't believe me.

Say it isn't so

[May]

It is not a case of believing you. Its a case of what was said, and what was meant. You have your opinion, please respect my opinion!

[Neverending]

A few passages from a Lisa-Marie interview with Playboy:

Q:There's another song, "Nobody noticed it", that seems like it might be about your Dad.(talking about her first album)

LMP: I wrote that to relieve myself of something I saw on TV about him, on the "E! True Hollywood Story". It actually did me in, emotionally,for days. What made me angry was the interviews with the mother****ers who hung around him. These idots were so disgusting -- they helped him go away and were actually worse than him.It infuriated me. They were trying to take away his dignity, the one thing that was most important to him. And I needed to strike back at that. I happened to be going to the studio, and I got the melody in my head and started to cry.

Q: You believe in revenge?

LMP: I'm like a lion - I roar. If somebody betrays me, I won't be a victim. I don't sulk, I get angry immediately into retaliation. But it always comes from insecurity or pain.

Q: Do you have a sense of humor about Elvis jokes or comments about your dad shooting out the TV or is that too personal?

LMP: No, it's not too personal. Shooting out the TV is funny and that makes me laughs. As long as you're not degrading him.

Q: You were five years old when your parents divorced. How did the divorce change your life?

LMP: When they divorced, I would go out on the road more and miss more school, which I liked. People say I didn't get to see him very much, but I was with him quite a bit. All of a sudden, a car would show up at school and he was calling for me to go out on the road.

Q: What was it like, hanging out with him?

LMP: Noctural: Go to bed at four or five A.M. and get up at two or three the next afternoon. It was always a lot of fun. There is not one bad memory. There was always a lot of engergy and life in the house. he was very mischievous.

Q: You'd sit outside his room for hours, waiting for him to get up.

LMP: The only two rooms upstairs in Graceland are mine and his. When he slept , he was a bear in hibernation.

Q: Did you know your father was addicted to pills?

LMP: I was aware of his demis. His temper was getting worse, he was gaining weight, he was not happy. I saw him taking different pills, like a potpourri of capsules, but I didn't know what they were. He was obviously not in good shape. But he didn't want me to see that. So he would try to mask it for me.

And a next one with Diane Sawyer:

Q: So who is the dad you remember?

LMP: Just a very special.... I remember him as my dad but he was a very exiting dad.

Q: You talk about his coming down the stairs with jewels?

LMP: Chains, yeah. And he'd sing all the time.

Q: Did he want you to sing? Do you ever...

LMP: Oh yeah, he'd always wake me up to sing in the middle of the night. "Get on the table and sing".

Q: Do you have the great sandwiches, the great fried banana sandwiches?

LMP: God, that will never end. No, that's such a ... it's a haunting nightmare that. I never saw him eat one of those, to be honest with you, and I finally just had one. Like, I took a bite about a year ago.

Q: Did you worry about him?

LMP: All the time, all the time.

Q: What would you say?

LMP: Don't die. You know, things like that. Like "are you going to die?" and I would just, like, in the middle of whatever, say that. He would..."No, I'm not going anywhere, nothing's going happen to me, don't worry about it", type-thing.

Q: Did it feel luxurious? (talking about hire a amusement park)

LMP: You know, with him no, because it was his heart that was permeating more than.. I'm in a jet and it's , like , this man loves me.

[debtdbruno]

I think you are right at that point.
But Lisa didn't have Elvis rhythm of life with getting up at 4 p.m. etc. Children usually get up early eben if they went to bed very late.
And there always where people arround even when Elvis was asleep. So none of us can tell what Lisa might have seen while Elvis was not with her.

If Elvis had known he surely wouldn't have allowed a behaviour like this in front of his daughter. But did he know everything that was going on in his own house, especially during the last months of his life?


Surely if everyone (MM) was living his nocturnal lifestyle, then when he slept, they slept too?
Lisa may have been up, but wouldn't it have been the maids, cleaners mostly that were awake during the main part of the day. She would have been in bed, in the early morning hours when the women and party activities were going on?

[Pacerstar]

She said she would threaten to personally fire them and tell their wives.
She just didn't imply it.

I remember her saying that because when she said that it sounded so unbelieveable.

What is so unbelievable about a 7 - 9 year old child, who knew she is the
apple of her daddy's eye, thinking and saying, at that age, that she would
fire an employee of her father's? It sounds reasonable to me that a child would think he/she could do that. Now, the part about the grown-up employees believing this child could do that, is not too believable. But, their
believing that her father might fire them is.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[presley31]

Surely if everyone (MM) was living his nocturnal lifestyle, then when he slept, they slept too?
Lisa may have been up, but wouldn't it have been the maids, cleaners mostly that were awake during the main part of the day. She would have been in bed, in the early morning hours when the women and party activities were going on?

I'am guessing they would be sleeping if they were taking sleeping pills like elvis but really we don't know if lisa woke up to stuff she shouldn't of seen :hmm:

[Merry]

What is so unbelievable about a 7 - 9 year old child, who knew she is the
apple of her daddy's eye, thinking and saying, at that age, that she would
fire an employee of her father's? It sounds reasonable to me that a child would think he/she could do that. Now, the part about the grown-up employees believing this child could do that, is not too believable. But, their
believing that her father might fire them is.:D:D:D:D:D:D


Lisa would have been around the seven or eight year old mark, I agree, Elvira. A time of fantasies and playing for all children. Someone who said he was "fatherly" should still have that outlook.

Seven to eight years old, it was a comment from a baby (if said), which is dragged up approximately 34 years later as if it was from an adult. Talk about bad taste to talk about a baby that way.

I still remember my son at six being placed in a corner for saying "F" he didn't know what it was - he was set up by another child. They are babies!

Anything it takes I guess, (n)