Who Is Your Favourite MM member?

[franny]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but who is your favourite Memphis Mafia member? Just curious..:lol:

franny

[LovePresley]

Do you mean who is your favorite Memphis Mafia member?If so,
probably Charlie Hodge, Jerry Schilling & Larry Geller,with George Klein not far behind.The rest I can't stand..

[franny]

Yes, sorry, I did mean Memphis Mafia member...I added the word 'member' to my question now...:)

franny

[Pacerstar]

My favorite MM member is Jerry Schilling. Next would be Dick Grob.

[SweetCaroline]

Jerry Schilling and Charlie Hodge.

[The King's Queen]

Charlie Hodge gets my vote!;)

[cbg84]

Joe, Jerry, George and Charlie.

[ANT GORMAN]

charlie and gk

[elvia7]

Charlie Hodge and Jerry Schilling.

[mozzarella]

Yeah, I like Dick Grob and Jerry Schilling and Charlie. I KINDA like Joe and Lamar and Larry. The rest is off my list... Maybe Sonny. Despite his book he seems a good fella

[May]

I've only met one of them, Joe. He seemed a genuine bloke. Liked him.
Going by what Ive read and seen on tv, I like Larry, Charlie & Jerry.

Although Jerry does seem to come across as a bit of a "goody two shoes" as far as Priscilla is concerned, these days. :blush: :hmm:

[Diane]

Charlie Hodge all the way.......

Diane

[john carpenter]

I'm in total agreement with mozzarella..I like Jerry, Charlie, Joe (despite his memory) Lamar (he's funny) Sonny. But Dick got on my nerves & Larry. And does Billy Smith count? He is my favorite family member.

[Elisabeth]

Charlie Hodge.

[Debra]

Charlie and Jerry

[Donut]

Billy Smith and Scatter.

[May]

I always forget Billy. I like Billy too.(y)
Where have you been recently Donut. You and the bear disappeared there for a while.

what have you two been up to?:hmm::hmm::blink:

[May]

Do you mean who is your favorite Memphis Mafia member?If so,
probably Charlie Hodge, Jerry Schilling & Larry Geller,with George Klein not far behind.The rest I can't stand..

I like your avatar (y) A very 'sixties' picture:D

[john carpenter]

Billy Smith and Scatter.:lmfao::lmfao:Scatter? Donut:lmfao:That was funny

[Donut]

I always forget Billy. I like Billy too.(y)
Where have you been recently Donut. You and the bear disappeared there for a while.

what have you two been up to?:hmm::hmm::blink:

I don't know where the Bear is. He is probably making up new nice stories about Priscilla :lol:

[Diane]

I forgot about Billy too, I always think of him as family not MM.

Diane

[Donut]

:lmfao::lmfao:Scatter? Donut:lmfao:That was funny

What?! Scatter was lovely, I even started a thread about him once :lol:

[Jimmy1966]

joe esposito because he REALLY loved elvis. you can tell the way he protects his memories.

[screamindiva]

Charlie for sure, I quit like Sonny, Jo, Larry Geller for some reason give's me the creep's but respect how others feel about him, Lamar, Billy and I know a lot of people don't like him I think?? But Red oh and GK, of course there were other's as we all know and Elvis had them around him for a reason?? Only Elvis and his mind know why??

[mozzarella]

Oh and I forgot George Klein :D

[May]

, Larry Geller for some reason give's me the creep's ??

I do know what you mean.
I like him though. He seems slightly eccentric! I like that in people!!!:lmfao:

[GIORGIA]

For Me Only Jerry and George!
Are Really VERY FRIEND!

[GIORGIA]

I'm in total agreement with mozzarella..I like Jerry, Charlie, Joe (despite his memory) Lamar (he's funny) Sonny. But Dick got on my nerves & Larry. And does Billy Smith count? He is my favorite family member.
Hi John!
Can I ask you somenthing?
Ok,for you Lamar is Funny(for Me not!But Is My Opinion!).
You see the E!True Hollywood Story-The Last Day of Elvis?
I call E!Not True Hollywood Story!
Because Lamar is was so Orrible with Elvis!
He said orrible words!
Some he can take in private!

[screamindiva]

Hi May,
I agree with you, eccentric yes, even spiritual yes, but I don't know why he just creep's me out, but I live a life of open mindedness and I believe each to there own

TLC

Grace x

[screamindiva]

I think Lamra did comment about that E totall horrible story, and he said they did a load of interviews and just editted it the way they wanted, to sensatoinalize it, but he could have just been covering his back after all us fan's had a go at him for it ???

[GIORGIA]

I think Lamra did comment about that E totall horrible story, and he said they did a load of interviews and just editted it the way they wanted, to sensatoinalize it, but he could have just been covering his back after all us fan's had a go at him for it ???
Yeah!
Orrible Story!

[May]

Hi May,
but I live a life of open mindedness and I believe each to there own

TLC

Grace x

Good for you Grace!!(y)(y)

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I love how the Memphis Mafia are categorised:-

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked
Lamar - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked

The way these guys are perceived are via several different camps:-

Rose tinted glasses. these are people who want to hear only the positive side of Elvis' life. So any member who tells it like it was is considered a trash talker (n) They prefer lovely books from Larry with such titles as "Leaves of Elvis' Garden: The Song of His Soul" the fact that Larry is making money off the back of Elvis is never questioned because he says Nice Things. Good if you like saccharine

Tell Em How It Was. Boy oh boy, these guys like Sonny, Red & Dave, boy they have paid their price, they spoke the truth but the rose tinted team didn't want to hear that, so they are crossed off the list lickety split.
It's funny how Marty is derided for what he says but can be used when trying to settle an argument, I suppose that is because out of all the MM he is the most accessible. When any of these guys write a book they are told to get a real job and stop making money off Elvis (but it's alright for positive writers like Larry). Wart's and all, isn't always a bad thing.

Team Elvis. This category is for the likes of Joe, Jerry, Billy & Charlie etc, most of what these guys say is the truth but sugar coated. Jerry is a prime example IMO of someone who is very nice, but has alligned himself with Priscilla leaving you to believe he is careful about what he says. Joe is very sincere but you know he will bend the truth to make things sound better.
These guys can be interesting if you read between the lines.

[May]

good post JJ - I forgot to say I actually DO like Red West. ;) Lamar, Dave Hebler and Marty I cannot stand!!!(n)

Dave Hebler made himself look a right **** in "A little Bit (piece?) of Elvis" IMO.:angry:

[Merry]

I love how the Memphis Mafia are categorised:-

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked
Lamar - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked

The way these guys are perceived are via several different camps:-

Rose tinted glasses. these are people who want to hear only the positive side of Elvis' life. So any member who tells it like it was is considered a trash talker (n) They prefer lovely books from Larry with such titles as "Leaves of Elvis' Garden: The Song of His Soul" the fact that Larry is making money off the back of Elvis is never questioned because he says Nice Things. Good if you like saccharine



Matt, I am fortunate to talk to Larry now and then. If he wasn't a good man, I simply would not like him. He is a generous, kind, man. He is insightful, and has always been available for me. He simply, if not a very good person, could give me platitudes, or ignore me. Larry is a GOOD MAN! Larry has had a bad wrap, because of jealousy, from others.

You are speaking through your opinion, with second (at best) information for you to give your opinion by.

For those who don't like Larry: Please don't run my friend down to me, here. Thank you.





Tell Em How It Was. Boy oh boy, these guys like Sonny, Red & Dave, boy they have paid their price, they spoke the truth but the rose tinted team didn't want to hear that, so they are crossed off the list lickety split.
It's funny how Marty is derided for what he says but can be used when trying to settle an argument, I suppose that is because out of all the MM he is the most accessible. When any of these guys write a book the are told to get a real job and stop making money of Elvis (but it's alright for positive writers like Larry). Wart's and all, isn't always a bad thing.



Marty, and some of the others, have given away personal information, that should have stayed behind closed doors. That said, I have apologised to Marty, and I kinda don't mind him now, in my own way.

Larry, Charlie, Jerry, did not, and do not, do this. They showed their character. It's about being a true friend, who knows the difference between personal information, and what is relevant to the subject (Elvis) to share.

Gosh Matt, wanna talk about your sex life? :D Or how about, the last time you got really upset for how someone treated you, but wait, let's leave out WHY you got upset, or WHAT they did to you, or HOW it affected you. Let's just make it, so you sound bad :hmm: Then, let's take some money for it (from one of your best friends, who you confided all in). (n)

Character is important.

[Pacerstar]

I love how the Memphis Mafia are categorised:-

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked
Lamar - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked

The way these guys are perceived are via several different camps:-

Rose tinted glasses. these are people who want to hear only the positive side of Elvis' life. So any member who tells it like it was is considered a trash talker (n) They prefer lovely books from Larry with such titles as "Leaves of Elvis' Garden: The Song of His Soul" the fact that Larry is making money off the back of Elvis is never questioned because he says Nice Things. Good if you like saccharine

Tell Em How It Was. Boy oh boy, these guys like Sonny, Red & Dave, boy they have paid their price, they spoke the truth but the rose tinted team didn't want to hear that, so they are crossed off the list lickety split.
It's funny how Marty is derided for what he says but can be used when trying to settle an argument, I suppose that is because out of all the MM he is the most accessible. When any of these guys write a book the are told to get a real job and stop making money of Elvis (but it's alright for positive writers like Larry). Wart's and all, isn't always a bad thing.

Team Elvis. This category is for the likes of Joe, Jerry, Billy & Charlie etc, most of what these guys say is the truth but sugar coated. Jerry is a prime example IMO of someone who is very nice, but has alligned himself with Priscilla leaving you to believe he is careful about what he says. Joe is very sincere but you know he will bend the truth to make things sound better.
These guys can be interesting if you read between the lines.

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked/ Have his book; but have not read it.
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked Don't like Charlie based on a personal
encounter with him.
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked I don't have a like or
dislike for Marty.
Lamar - Middle of the road, Don't like.
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked Totally dislike Red & Sonny! I see them as traitors.
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked Don't like Larry Geller. I believe he was a disturbing influence on Elvis in Elvis' religeous searching.
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked UGH!!!!
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked/ Agree with you on this guy.
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked I met Billy Smith and generally
like him; but I don't classify him as MM; but as Elvis family.
If my choice for truth is sugar-coated or pumped-up with exaggeration,
self-indulgence and possible falsehoods - then, yes, I'll take mine sugar-coated. Ok, Jumpsuit Junkie, I've got my bullet-proof vest on. :D:D:D:D

[Diane]

I don't like sugar-coated, I do like to know the truth but I don't like it exaggerated as I feel some have done, nor do I take anything as whole truth from someone who doesn't mention their own faults as well.

I like a fair balance and that seems very hard to get......

Diane

[Lisarose]

I love how the Memphis Mafia are categorised:-

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked
Lamar - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked

The way these guys are perceived are via several different camps:-

Rose tinted glasses. these are people who want to hear only the positive side of Elvis' life. So any member who tells it like it was is considered a trash talker (n) They prefer lovely books from Larry with such titles as "Leaves of Elvis' Garden: The Song of His Soul" the fact that Larry is making money off the back of Elvis is never questioned because he says Nice Things. Good if you like saccharine

Tell Em How It Was. Boy oh boy, these guys like Sonny, Red & Dave, boy they have paid their price, they spoke the truth but the rose tinted team didn't want to hear that, so they are crossed off the list lickety split.
It's funny how Marty is derided for what he says but can be used when trying to settle an argument, I suppose that is because out of all the MM he is the most accessible. When any of these guys write a book they are told to get a real job and stop making money off Elvis (but it's alright for positive writers like Larry). Wart's and all, isn't always a bad thing.

Team Elvis. This category is for the likes of Joe, Jerry, Billy & Charlie etc, most of what these guys say is the truth but sugar coated. Jerry is a prime example IMO of someone who is very nice, but has alligned himself with Priscilla leaving you to believe he is careful about what he says. Joe is very sincere but you know he will bend the truth to make things sound better.
These guys can be interesting if you read between the lines.

Good post!

I like Billy Smith, - and I do consider him an MM - because he was a relative. Family are the first to abuse you, especially if you "done good" !

[KEVIN WILDE]

CHARLIE HODGE WITHOUT A DOUBT

[Donut]

I love how the Memphis Mafia are categorised:-

Joe - Middle of the road mostly liked
Charlie - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Jerry - Never says anything bad - Liked
Marty - Always says it how he sees it - mostly disliked
Lamar - Middle of the road, mostly liked
Red & Sonny - Never forgiven although they spoke the truth, mostly disliked
Larry Geller - Sycophant hairdresser, mostly liked
Ricky, Billy and David - Douche bags, mostly disliked
Dave Hebler - Grouped in with the West's, mostly disliked
Billy Smith - Middle of the road - mostly liked


So which one would be your favorite?

[debtdbruno]

I don't like sugar-coated, I do like to know the truth but I don't like it exaggerated as I feel some have done, nor do I take anything as whole truth from someone who doesn't mention their own faults as well.

I like a fair balance and that seems very hard to get......

Diane


Excellent point Diane, I know what you mean(y)(y)(y)

Deb

[KPM]

I think Red West-I know many will think of EWH when his name is mentioned.
But I think he has done the least of anyone to continue making money off of any association with Elvis-he acts, teaches acting and has written many good songs. He worked exclusive of Elvis on many films and had a great association with Robert Conrad (starting on the Wild Wild West tv series)
and worked on virtually everything Conrad did after that show was cancelled.
I believe Red loved Elvis and truely loves Elvis to this day-flaws and all.

[May]

I think Red West-I know many will think of EWH when his name is mentioned.
But I think he has done the least of anyone to continue making money off of any association with Elvis-he acts, teaches acting and has written many good songs. He worked exclusive of Elvis on many films and had a great association with Robert Conrad (starting on the Wild Wild West tv series)
and worked on virtually everything Conrad did after that show was cancelled.
I believe Red loved Elvis and truely loves Elvis to this day-flaws and all.

AGREED! (y)(y)(y)(y)

[Pacerstar]

I don't like sugar-coated, I do like to know the truth but I don't like it exaggerated as I feel some have done, nor do I take anything as whole truth from someone who doesn't mention their own faults as well.

I like a fair balance and that seems very hard to get......

Diane

Diane, I agree with you. I can handle the truth whatever it is when I know
first-hand that it is indeed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am convinced that Elvis had an addiction to prescription medication
and I am also convinced that this addiction began with a real need for those
medications that were prescribed for him by medical doctors. My mother always told me, "Don't believe all you hear and only half what you see." My
mother taught me well. :D:D:D:D

[Pacerstar]

I think Red West-I know many will think of EWH when his name is mentioned.
But I think he has done the least of anyone to continue making money off of any association with Elvis-he acts, teaches acting and has written many good songs. He worked exclusive of Elvis on many films and had a great association with Robert Conrad (starting on the Wild Wild West tv series)
and worked on virtually everything Conrad did after that show was cancelled.
I believe Red loved Elvis and truely loves Elvis to this day-flaws and all.

I will agree with what you said about Red West doing less to make money
off Elvis for a good number of years.:D:D:D:D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Matt, I am fortunate to talk to Larry now and then. If he wasn't a good man, I simply would not like him. He is a generous, kind, man. He is insightful, and has always been available for me. He simply, if not a very good person, could give me platitudes, or ignore me. Larry is a GOOD MAN! Larry has had a bad wrap, because of jealousy, from others.

So you don't really know Larry that well? How many times have you spoken to Larry? I don't dispute that Larry might be the nicest man on the face of the earth! He is still making money off Elvis. Just because you like what a person has to say, does NOT mean they should have more of a right to THEIR opinion in print. Fans should have the opportunity to choose what books they would like to read without being moralised too.

I seriously don't care if Larry writes a hundred books, that's his right, by the same token I don't care what any other MM member writes because they too have a right to THEIR opinion. (Just not Albert Goldman, he is a douche bag).


You are speaking through your opinion, with second (at best) information for you to give your opinion by.

For those who don't like Larry: Please don't run my friend down to me, here. Thank you.

I'm sorry but to make a statement like the one above, would IMHO have to be quantified. How well do you know Larry? Have you met him 5-10 times, 10-20 times or 20-30 times. I don't wish to be rude but a couple of conversations on the phone doesn't count as a friend but merely an acquaintance at best. So in truth you are only speaking through YOUR opinion :P


Gosh Matt, wanna talk about your sex life? :D

Want do you want to know? ;)

P.S. It's good to have you posting again (seriously) (y)

[Merry]

A lot more than 30 times (email). The only reason I said something, is that I really would like people to know the type of person Larry is. Larry is insightful, warm, generous, and a genuinely caring person. He is the sort of person, who you just start talking to, deeply :D lol (y) :D He probably has a lot of time for a lot of people, I'm not any different to anyone else. He'll give me considered advice, where-ever he is. He hasn't asked for anything in return, just given of himself. I was a stranger, Matt.


What do I want to know? ahhhhhhh lol, hehehe(y):lmfao:


You know I'm crazy, don't you? rofl! :lmfao::blush:(y)


Thank you (for the compliment, lol, no-one can "argue" like us :D) lol, I'll be a good girl and not ask specifics, cause you might answer ahhhh lol

:hmm::blush::D;):D:lmfao::hmm:(y)

[Merry]

YouTube - Funny M&M's video

[TotallyInsane]

My favorite Memphis Mommas are Kim and Carole!!!!

[Diane]

I think Red West-I know many will think of EWH when his name is mentioned.
But I think he has done the least of anyone to continue making money off of any association with Elvis-he acts, teaches acting and has written many good songs. He worked exclusive of Elvis on many films and had a great association with Robert Conrad (starting on the Wild Wild West tv series)
and worked on virtually everything Conrad did after that show was cancelled.
I believe Red loved Elvis and truely loves Elvis to this day-flaws and all.

I agree, although Red is not my favorite, I truly believe that he did always love Elvis and that he is the only one involved in EWH that feels a lot of guilt to this day for participating in that book.

Diane

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

A lot more than 30 times (email).

So in effect you know Getlo and me just as well as Larry! :P

Hardly a basis upon which I would be sending out personal invites to family gatherings :P

[Brian]

I am shocked nobody is picking Marty Lacker.

I can't believe anyone wouldn't think Mr.Lacker was the best Memphis mafia member.
With Marty what's not to love.
me personally I like Red and Sonny West the most.

About George Klein some of you are picking him I don' think he was ever considered a member of the Memphis mafia he was just a friend of Elvis.

[GIORGIA]

I am shocked nobody is picking Marty Lacker.

I can't believe anyone wouldn't think Mr.Lacker was the best Memphis mafia member.
With Marty what's not to love.
me personally I like Red and Sonny West the most.

About George Klein some of you are picking him I don' think he was ever considered a member of the Memphis mafia he was just a friend of Elvis.

For Me personally I not picking marty lacker because I saw the E!True Hollywood story(I call NOT true hollywoodstory!) and I dont' liked what he said about Elvis!
And way he talk about Elvis!

I picking George because as I said before for Me is a VERY FRIEND!
That he respect Elvis!Because the friends respect the other friends!

So for you the mm are not his friends but just people that are worked for Elvis?
Or are mm (people the are worked for Elvis)and friends?
If you think this(not friends but only mm(people the are worked for Elvis),I agree with you!
For what I said before about the friendship!
If you think the second(mm-people the are just worked for Elvis and friends),
I not agree with you,
but is My Personally opinion.

[Brian]

For Me personally I not picking marty lacker because I saw the E!True Hollywood story(I call NOT true hollywoodstory!) and I dont' liked what he said about Elvis!
And way he talk about Elvis!

I picking George because as I said before for Me is a VERY FRIEND!
That he respect Elvis!Because the friends respect the other friends!

So for you the mm are not his friends but just people that are worked for Elvis?
Or are mm (people the are worked for Elvis)and friends?
If you think this(not friends but only mm(people the are worked for Elvis),I agree with you!
For what I said before about the friendship!
If you think the second(mm-people the are just worked for Elvis and friends),
I not agree with you,
but is My Personally opinion.

They have to be friends and they have to have been a member of Elvis entourage or yes, worked for him.

I think George Klein isn't considered a Memphis mafia member by the others because he never worked with Elvis and didn't travel with him.
so therefore he was just a friend and not a member of the entourage known as the Memphis mafia.

[Merry]

So in effect you know Getlo and me just as well as Larry! :P

Hardly a basis upon which I would be sending out personal invites to family gatherings :P


:lmfao: ummmmmm no, lol (y) I don't, I know Larry more than you. :D

[GIORGIA]

They have to be friends and they have to have been a member of Elvis entourage or yes, worked for him.

I think George Klein isn't considered a Memphis mafia member by the others because he never worked with Elvis and didn't travel with him.
so therefore he was just a friend and not a member of the entourage known as the Memphis mafia.


I respond also George because I considered a member of mm,
but you right,but as I said before I choose also Jerry.
But George is travel with Elvis,in the 50',and also in the 70'
(That's The Way It Is).
P.s For Me,as I said before, the people of mm are NOT friends(just for Me Jerry)!
Because for Me are not respect for Elvis!
Also in the way are talk of Elvis!

[Brian]

I respond also George because I considered a member of mm,
but you right,but as I said before I choose also Jerry.
But George is travel with Elvis,in the 50',and also in the 70'
(That's The Way It Is).
P.s For Me,as I said before, the people of mm are NOT friends(just for Me Jerry)!
Because for Me are not respect for Elvis!
Also in the way are talk of Elvis!

George Klein did attend a few shows in the 70's and he went on tour with Elvis in 1957 but the others did it on a regular basis that's why they don't consider George as a Memphis mafia member.

[KPM]

George Klein did attend a few shows in the 70's and he went on tour with Elvis in 1957 but the others did it on a regular basis that's why they don't consider George as a Memphis mafia member.
I wonder if Elvis had any thoughts on what an official member of his MM was?
Or would Elvis say anyone who traveled with him closely-was in essense a member of that group? The MM was not a set group of individuals it changed frequently some were in some were out. When Red was making Wild Wild West in Hollywood with Bob Conrad 7-8 months a year-was he still a member?
I think Elvis probably considered George a member-in spirit-if not in a real capacity of some kind.

[Brian]

I wonder if Elvis had any thoughts on what an official member of his MM was?
Or would Elvis say anyone who traveled with him closely-was in essense a member of that group? The MM was not a set group of individuals it changed frequently some were in some were out. When Red was making Wild Wild West in Hollywood with Bob Conrad 7-8 months a year-was he still a member?
I think Elvis probably considered George a member-in spirit-if not in a real capacity of some kind.

That's just it.

Both Sonny West and Marty Lacker have said that Elvis never considered George Klein a member of the Memphis mafia.

[KPM]

That's just it.

Both Sonny West and Marty Lacker have said that Elvis never considered George Klein a member of the Memphis mafia.
Well perhaps he didn't-and also its not out of the realm of possibility that their own views on this skew their answer. Food for thought.

[SweetCaroline]

My favorite Memphis Mommas are Kim and Carole!!!!


(((((((((((((((Gail)))))))))))))))) :hug:

[Junebug]

I don't have a favorite MM.

At this time, I'm quite tired of most of them.


:P

[The King's Queen]

I don't know where the Bear is. He is probably making up new nice stories about Priscilla :lol:

:supriced::supriced::doh:Donut...are you starting trouble with the bear again??? :hmm: I do believe he has had to take a respite to recuperate from the last battle! Come on back Teddy...we Pris bashers really miss you! lol. ;):P:lmfao::lmfao:


I don't like sugar-coated, I do like to know the truth but I don't like it exaggerated as I feel some have done, nor do I take anything as whole truth from someone who doesn't mention their own faults as well.

I like a fair balance and that seems very hard to get......

Diane

(y)It's unattainable in the world of Elvis Presley it seems. :)


I don't have a favorite MM.

At this time, I'm quite tired of most of them.


:P

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Genie]

For Me personally I not picking marty lacker because I saw the E!True Hollywood story(I call NOT true hollywoodstory!) and I dont' liked what he said about Elvis!
And way he talk about Elvis!

I picking George because as I said before for Me is a VERY FRIEND!
That he respect Elvis!Because the friends respect the other friends!

So for you the mm are not his friends but just people that are worked for Elvis?
Or are mm (people the are worked for Elvis)and friends?
If you think this(not friends but only mm(people the are worked for Elvis),I agree with you!
For what I said before about the friendship!
If you think the second(mm-people the are just worked for Elvis and friends),
I not agree with you,
but is My Personally opinion.


I'm with you, Marty Lacker was not well liked by Elvis. Of course to hear ML talk about it, he was the greatest..he pushed his way into best man, because he was simply there and Joe had a touch of food poisoning, and kept going to the rest room... I liked George...but Elvis' bestfriend besides Joe, was Larry Geller(not a MM member) they fought to stop this friendship on the basis Larry was "Brainwashing Elvis" into being religious! God, what were they thinking. That is like slapping you in the face and then kick you when your down, they tossed his books, all gifts from larry and Marty ordered them burned! Marty was also fired LOL

[Genie]

Amen to that! The Memphis Mafia as they called themselves were leeches and back stabbing thugs. They basically along with Vernon's help (only my opinion) destryed Elvis' life. Yes a cxouple of the guys were good guys..the rest were bum around, eat, sleep, drink (drugs) and be happy with their paycheck.

[Brian]

Well perhaps he didn't-and also its not out of the realm of possibility that their own views on this skew their answer. Food for thought.

They say Elvis expressed these thoughts to them.

About 10-15 years ago I think Marty and Lamar had the name The Memphis mafia legally copyrighted so they own the name.

So legally speaking Marty Lacker is well within his rights to say who is and who isn't a Memphis mafia member.

I don't think of George Klein as a member of the Memphis mafia he had a job as a radio disc jockey and wasn't around as much as the others were.

[TotallyInsane]

They say Elvis expressed these thoughts to them.

About 10-15 years ago I think Marty and Lamar had the name The Memphis mafia legally copyrighted so they own the name.

So legally speaking Marty Lacker is well within his rights to say who is and who isn't a Memphis mafia member.

I don't think of George Klein as a member of the Memphis mafia he had a job as a radio disc jockey and wasn't around as much as the others were.

Yeah, and then they sold "good enough for framing" certificates saying you were an Honorary Memphis Mafia Member!! I think this was to the tune of $15.00 or so! Good Lord - what will they think of next to make a buck off of their dead best friend!!!

[moody-blues67]

Sonny West and Red West.

[Marlena]

Only Jerry Schilling and Charlie Hodge.

[Brian]

Yeah, and then they sold "good enough for framing" certificates saying you were an Honorary Memphis Mafia Member!! I think this was to the tune of $15.00 or so! Good Lord - what will they think of next to make a buck off of their dead best friend!!!

IIRC it was $67 dollars for one certificate.

Marty Lacker was saying on those websites that he posts on that it was getting an overwhemingly good response with a lot of people joining.

Yet if you checked ebay only 2 people had bought the certificates.
After a few days Marty stopped even mentioning the honorary Memphis mafia thing.

What a terrible idea I can't believe they actually thought people would pay that amount of money just for a piece of paper that says you are an Honorary member of the Memphis mafia.:lol:

[May]

I'm with you, Marty Lacker was not well liked by Elvis. and Marty ordered them burned! Marty was also fired LOL

I thought it was the Colonel who wanted all Larrys books burned. Even Priscilla said she agreed with the col.:blink:

[May]

Amen to that! The Memphis Mafia as they called themselves were leeches and back stabbing thugs. They basically along with Vernon's help (only my opinion) destryed Elvis' life. .

Why do you say Vernon helped destroy Elvis?:doh:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I'm with you, Marty Lacker was not well liked by Elvis. Of course to hear ML talk about it, he was the greatest..he pushed his way into best man, because he was simply there and Joe had a touch of food poisoning, and kept going to the rest room... I liked George...but Elvis' bestfriend besides Joe, was Larry Geller(not a MM member) they fought to stop this friendship on the basis Larry was "Brainwashing Elvis" into being religious! God, what were they thinking. That is like slapping you in the face and then kick you when your down, they tossed his books, all gifts from larry and Marty ordered them burned! Marty was also fired LOL

Larry only came back on the scene mid 70's after years in the wilderness :cold: if Geller was Elvis' best friend why was he excluded for so long :excl: lets not blame the MM because Elvis wasn't that weak he couldn't pick up the phone and call Larry! Geller talks up his relationship with Elvis far too much IMO. :blink:

You have answered your own question above! If Geller was so close he would have been a member of the MM :hmm:Geller was a hairdresser who spoke to Elvis when he was vulnerable and wormed his way in.

If your part of the "I Email Larry Group" you are obviously talking from a biased opinion. ;)

IMO ALL of the MM have disgraced themselves in one way or another over the years when it comes to Elvis, including Larry Geller. (n)

The way Geller recalls stories and events he would have had to have been with Elvis non stop for 3 solid years without sleep :rolleyes::bangin:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Amen to that! The Memphis Mafia as they called themselves were leeches and back stabbing thugs. They basically along with Vernon's help (only my opinion) destryed Elvis' life. Yes a cxouple of the guys were good guys..the rest were bum around, eat, sleep, drink (drugs) and be happy with their paycheck.

Let me guess..... Larry was one of the good guys :D

[elvislady]

Let me guess..... Larry was one of the good guys :D

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

elvislady

[debtdbruno]

Amen to that! The Memphis Mafia as they called themselves were leeches and back stabbing thugs. They basically along with Vernon's help (only my opinion) destryed Elvis' life. Yes a cxouple of the guys were good guys..the rest were bum around, eat, sleep, drink (drugs) and be happy with their paycheck.


Wow, that's a very direct and powerful view!!!!!!
I (nearly) agree with you

[May]

! If Geller was so close he would have been a member of the MM :hmm:Geller was a hairdresser who spoke to Elvis when he was vulnerable and wormed his way in.



I didnt think there was any "official" kind of membership to the MM?:doh: As in, if you are paid by Elvis you are officially a MM. Or anything like that?

I thought it was just the media gave the name Memphis Mafia to the guys around Elvis, mainly during the 60's and 70's. Therefore it included everyone, including Billy (family) and George (friend - but not on payroll)

That was my understanding of it anyway.:D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Wow, that's a very direct and powerful view!!!!!!
I (nearly) agree with you

Nearly :lol:


I didnt think there was any "official" kind of membership to the MM?:doh: As in, if you are paid by Elvis you are officially a MM. Or anything like that?

I thought it was just the media gave the name Memphis Mafia to the guys around Elvis, mainly during the 60's and 70's. Therefore it included everyone, including Billy (family) and George (friend - but not on payroll)

That was my understanding of it anyway.:D

I didn't make the rules I'm only quoting what others have said thus far!

People seem to make a distinction from the outside, I agree with what you are saying. In reality when the quote was made you could say that technically those people around him were the MM. However the MM of the 70's as frequently quoted seemed to be these guys... so on that basis is Dr. Nick and George included?

http://usuarios.lycos.es/elvistcb/hpbimg/memm.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong (it has been known) but where is Larry? also it was my understanding that the MM (perhaps not exclusively) were given a TCB pendant, did Larry get one?

[Donut]

:supriced::supriced::doh:Donut...are you starting trouble with the bear again??? :hmm: I do believe he has had to take a respite to recuperate from the last battle! Come on back Teddy...we Pris bashers really miss you! lol. ;):P:lmfao::lmfao:


He must be exhausted :lol:


I am shocked nobody is picking Marty Lacker.
I can't believe anyone wouldn't think Mr.Lacker was the best Memphis mafia member.
With Marty what's not to love.


Marty was my first choice but then I remembered Billy. Marty has a "special" way to tell things but I like to hear what he has to say.

[Junebug]

IIRC it was $67 dollars for one certificate.

Marty Lacker was saying on those websites that he posts on that it was getting an overwhemingly good response with a lot of people joining.

Yet if you checked ebay only 2 people had bought the certificates.
After a few days Marty stopped even mentioning the honorary Memphis mafia thing.

What a terrible idea I can't believethey actually thought people would pay that amount of money just for a piece of paper that says you are an Honorary member of the Memphis mafia.:lol:


That's the MM for you!!! (n)

30+ years of their antics and counting..............

Surely there is another way.


:king::king::king:

[GIORGIA]

George Klein did attend a few shows in the 70's and he went on tour with Elvis in 1957 but the others did it on a regular basis that's why they don't consider George as a Memphis mafia member.
Yes,but as Kpm said maybe Elvis think that George was a member in spirit.

[GIORGIA]

I wonder if Elvis had any thoughts on what an official member of his MM was?
Or would Elvis say anyone who traveled with him closely-was in essense a member of that group? The MM was not a set group of individuals it changed frequently some were in some were out. When Red was making Wild Wild West in Hollywood with Bob Conrad 7-8 months a year-was he still a member?
I think Elvis probably considered George a member-in spirit-if not in a real capacity of some kind.
I think the same thing!I think too that Elvis think this!

[KPM]

They say Elvis expressed these thoughts to them.

About 10-15 years ago I think Marty and Lamar had the name The Memphis mafia legally copyrighted so they own the name.

So legally speaking Marty Lacker is well within his rights to say who is and who isn't a Memphis mafia member.I don't think of George Klein as a member of the Memphis mafia he had a job as a radio disc jockey and wasn't around as much as the others were.
Legally speaking? Own the name? -They may (or may not-dont really know ) own the copyright on the name-but the concept when it was first used is another thing, the reality of the situation as it stood while Elvis lived is another thing.
A copyright does not go backwards in time and change things-and I just pointed out that if they say Elvis did not consider George a member its possible that this is how they felt and it shades their memory.
Jealousy was a problem within the MM or inner circle of Elvis friendship. George got many many perks thru friendship with Elvis-but did not have the day in day out problems of working for Elvis in any real capacity and that might tick off some.
But from all I have read if Elvis asked George for anything-George was always ready willing and able to help and I'm sure Elvis felt of George as a MM in spirit if not actual day in day out reality. I try to give Elvis some credit for how he felt for friends who "did not" work full time for him but were possibly just as close as people who did.
But..........If Marty and Lamar now own the name & have their own MM which follows them around and does services "for them" I can "legally see" where they decide who is in "their MM" and who is not.
I will always question things when an actual statement by Elvis was not publicly made. I mean no disrespect to any MM or anyone else-its just too easy to say "he wanted this...... or he meant that......" Perhaps he did....and ......perhaps he didn't.
I have said many times "human nature follows a pattern"-people usually play up their involvement in the good and they play down their involvement in the bad. We all filter things thru our own experiences, prejudices and feelings-and it can shade memory and recall also.

[Brian]

Yes,but as Kpm said maybe Elvis think that George was a member in spirit.

All the MM members say George Klein wasn't a member.

They say Elvis told them and George knows deep down he wasn't a member.

[Brian]

Legally speaking? Own the name? -They may (or may not-dont really know ) own the copyright on the name-but the concept when it was first used is another thing, the reality of the situation as it stood while Elvis lived is another thing.
A copyright does not go backwards in time and change things-and I just pointed out that if they say Elvis did not consider George a member its possible that this is how they felt and it shades their memory.
Jealousy was a problem within the MM or inner circle of Elvis friendship. George got many many perks thru friendship with Elvis-but did not have the day in day out problems of working for Elvis in any real capacity and that might tick off some.
But from all I have read if Elvis asked George for anything-George was always ready willing and able to help and I'm sure Elvis felt of George as a MM in spirit if not actual day in day out reality. I try to give Elvis some credit for how he felt for friends who "did not" work full time for him but were possibly just as close as people who did.
But..........If Marty and Lamar now own the name & have their own MM which follows them around and does services "for them" I can "legally see" where they decide who is in "their MM" and who is not.
I will always question things when an actual statement by Elvis was not publicly made. I mean no disrespect to any MM or anyone else-its just too easy to say "he wanted this...... or he meant that......" Perhaps he did....and ......perhaps he didn't.


It's true Marty, Lamar and a third party bought the rights to the name Memphis mafia.
they had the name legally copyrighted so no one can use that name without their permission.
So if Marty and Lamar wanted to stop someone from using the name they could.
Elvis didn't make public his thoughts on many subjects so we have to rely on the MM.

Marty Lacker also said something interesting about Charlie Hodge.
He said Charlie came back from the army with Elvis and then he stayed at Graceland for a short while then he left to go on the road with singer Jimmy Wakely.
He said that's where Charlie was most of the time for the first few years of the 60's on the road.
Marty went on to say that Charlie never considered himself a member of the Memphis Mafia.
He said Charlie considered himself a member of Elvis stage group or band and thought of himself as an entertainer.

[GIORGIA]

All the MM members say George Klein wasn't a member.

They say Elvis told them and George knows deep down he wasn't a member.
But you believe all that the mm said?
I not!
My Personally opinion!

[GIORGIA]

Legally speaking? Own the name? -They may (or may not-dont really know ) own the copyright on the name-but the concept when it was first used is another thing, the reality of the situation as it stood while Elvis lived is another thing.
A copyright does not go backwards in time and change things-and I just pointed out that if they say Elvis did not consider George a member its possible that this is how they felt and it shades their memory.
Jealousy was a problem within the MM or inner circle of Elvis friendship. George got many many perks thru friendship with Elvis-but did not have the day in day out problems of working for Elvis in any real capacity and that might tick off some.
But from all I have read if Elvis asked George for anything-George was always ready willing and able to help and I'm sure Elvis felt of George as a MM in spirit if not actual day in day out reality. I try to give Elvis some credit for how he felt for friends who "did not" work full time for him but were possibly just as close as people who did.
But..........If Marty and Lamar now own the name & have their own MM which follows them around and does services "for them" I can "legally see" where they decide who is in "their MM" and who is not.
I will always question things when an actual statement by Elvis was not publicly made. I mean no disrespect to any MM or anyone else-its just too easy to say "he wanted this...... or he meant that......" Perhaps he did....and ......perhaps he didn't.
I have said many times "human nature follows a pattern"-people usually play up their involvement in the good and they play down their involvement in the bad. We all filter things thru our own experiences, prejudices and feelings-and it can shade memory and recall also.
I agree with you!

[Lisarose]

Nearly :lol:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/elvistcb/hpbimg/memm.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong (it has been known) but where is Larry? also it was my understanding that the MM (perhaps not exclusively) were given a TCB pendant, did Larry get one?
Don't know if Larry had a TCB necklace or not, but Elvis did give alot of
them out in the last years - all the band members have one.
GK not an MM? Well, Elvis considered him one just because he was a friend, I would think! There are a lot of faces of MM crew members I don't even know the names of. Or perhaps they were ---> just employees!
And what about Lance LeGault?

[Mr.TCB]

Joe Espisitoe, George Klein, and Charlie Hodge. Jerry Shilling is close behind them.

[Genie]

"Diamond Joe" is a real character. I also liked Charlie and George.

[Brian]

But you believe all that the mm said?
I not!
My Personally opinion!

Since they were in the MM

I figure they'd know who was member of their group and who was not.

[May]

Sounds like a bunch of school-boys to me! :hmm:

"do you want to be in my gang?" "you're my best friend?" "If you're MY best friend - you can't be his.."

"Oh we dont like you today, you are no longer in my gang?" etc

"Elvis likes me more than he likes you"

:lmfao:

[8mmlowa]

charlie hodge cause he was a real friend

[debtdbruno]

Sounds like a bunch of school-boys to me! :hmm:

"do you want to be in my gang?" "you're my best friend?" "If you're MY best friend - you can't be his.."

"Oh we dont like you today, you are no longer in my gang?" etc

"Elvis likes me more than he likes you"

:lmfao:


Love that May. They're all 'little boys in long trousers' really
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao:

Deb

[beckelvis]

Charlie Hodge

[GIORGIA]

Since they were in the MM

I figure they'd know who was member of their group and who was not.

I don't know for sure if Elvis think the same thing,about George!
Because if not was working and travel all the time with Elvis,not mean that Elvis not was consider Him as a Member of mm.
And I tell this because(My personally opinion,don't believe all that are said!)

[KPM]

It's true Marty, Lamar and a third party bought the rights to the name Memphis mafia.
they had the name legally copyrighted so no one can use that name without their permission.
So if Marty and Lamar wanted to stop someone from using the name they could.Elvis didn't make public his thoughts on many subjects so we have to rely on the MM.

Marty Lacker also said something interesting about Charlie Hodge.
He said Charlie came back from the army with Elvis and then he stayed at Graceland for a short while then he left to go on the road with singer Jimmy Wakely.
He said that's where Charlie was most of the time for the first few years of the 60's on the road.
Marty went on to say that Charlie never considered himself a member of the Memphis Mafia.
He said Charlie considered himself a member of Elvis stage group or band and thought of himself as an entertainer.

Never disputed it-just said I did not know.

The last time I saw George on TV and most times I can remember-I don't recall he made a big deal about anything including MM-he just said he had known Elvis since high school and they had been "close friends" for most the rest of his life.
Hope no one copyrights the expression "close friends" for some monetary reason (which is the only reason to copyright something-to make sure no one uses it without permission and some remuneration to the copyright holders;))

[KPM]

Since they were in the MM

I figure they'd know who was member of their group and who was not.
You know Brian truthfully since the term was coined by the press and not Elvis, nor any of the people in the inner circle-its kind of funny to debate it.
They were in the group-but it was a term which more or less came to be known to most as a description of the entourage, the inner circle, around Elvis. Now that would be close to a literal definition as the press who coined it meant.
Perhaps it means something totally different to the guys who were most often around Elvis, perhaps it meant something totally different to Elvis himself and perhaps it meant something totally different to Priscilla, to Vernon, to Parker-I have no clue.
The actual total all inclusive explaination and definition of who or what they were is open to interpretation as to who you ask and who you do not.
Can't ask Elvis. So that leaves an open question as to what he may or may not have thought-that is my point.
I know what all the guys have said over the years-Ed Parker traveled with Elvis for a while-he had a role-but is probably not considered a member-wonder what Elvis would have said?

Many individuals were given TCBs over the years and I know in a couple books that some thought Elvis should not have given them to certain individuals-who were outside the inner circle-some thought it cheapened the meaning and specialness of receiving one, but obviously Elvis did not hold that feeling because he gave many outside the circle-once again his thoughts are not the same as theirs-thats my point.
Elvis's thoughts and ideas-may differ quite a bit from the MM ideas and thoughts. But they have the right to say whatever they want concerning these matters-and they may or may not be spot on correct.

[Brian]

You know Brian truthfully since the term was coined by the press and not Elvis, nor any of the people in the inner circle-its kind of funny to debate it.
They were in the group-but it was a term which more or less came to be known to most as a description of the entourage, the inner circle, around Elvis. Now that would be close to a literal definition as the press who coined it meant.
Perhaps it means something totally different to the guys who were most often around Elvis, perhaps it meant something totally different to Elvis himself and perhaps it meant something totally different to Priscilla, to Vernon, to Parker-I have no clue.
The actual total all inclusive explaination and definition of who or what they were is open to interpretation as to who you ask and who you do not.
Can't ask Elvis. So that leaves an open question as to what he may or may not have thought-that is my point.
I know what all the guys have said over the years-Ed Parker traveled with Elvis for a while-he had a role-but is probably not considered a member-wonder what Elvis would have said?

Many individuals were given TCBs over the years and I know in a couple books that some thought Elvis should not have given them to certain individuals-who were outside the inner circle-some thought it cheapened the meaning and specialness of receiving one, but obviously Elvis did not hold that feeling because he gave many outside the circle-once again his thoughts are not the same as theirs-thats my point.
Elvis's thoughts and ideas-may differ quite a bit from the MM ideas and thoughts. But they have the right to say whatever they want concerning these matters-and they may or may not be spot on correct.

I can answer all those questions for you.

I've heard it all come from Marty Lackers mouth

Yes, it meant something to the guys and to Elvis

A TCB necklace is not the same thing as a membership in the Memphis mafia.


The Memphis mafia members were Marty Lacker, Joe Esposito, Red West, Sonny West, Lamar Fike, Richard Davis, Alan Fortas and Billy Smith.

According to Marty Lacker Elvis told them verbally that he did not consider Charlie Hodge, George Klein, Larry Gellar, Ed Parker, Dick Grob, Jerry Schilling, Dave Hebler, Dr.Nick and the Stanley brothers Memphis mafia members.

Marty went on to explain in some detail why these guys weren't and never were MM members he said all those guys know they weren't and they knew Elvis thoughts on the subect but they say they were to make themselves look good or important to the fans.

[Merry]

I can answer all those questions for you.

I've heard it all come from Marty Lackers mouth

Yes, it meant something to the guys and to Elvis


Brian, I read Marty's responses on this matter on AEK, it all does seem to be, reading Marty's words, that things are always kinda slanted his way. There was his inner circle ("the original guys" as Marty says), and that was it. Perhaps it's true, very true, I don't know, I'm just adding some thoughts.


The Memphis mafia members were Marty Lacker, Joe Esposito, Red West, Sonny West, Lamar Fike, Richard Davis, Alan Fortas and Billy Smith.


According to Marty Lacker Elvis told them verbally that he did not consider Charlie Hodge, George Klein, Larry Gellar, Ed Parker, Dick Grob, Jerry Schilling, Dave Hebler, Dr.Nick and the Stanley brothers Memphis mafia members.

Where/when did Marty say this, he never went that far on AEK to say Elvis felt that way to be non inclusive of the other men? Marty just insisted that there were the "original guys" and that was it.

Also, Charlie is an "original guy" as he was there before Marty (wasn't he? Marty came in, after the Army, although he and Elvis saw each other at school at times) Charlie being closer to Elvis, from what I gather, than Marty was. Alright, Charlie was a musician, and not a body guard, neither really was Marty :hmm: lol. Charlie was a lovely man perhaps he wasn't part of the "other guys" click.. :hmm: lol :lol: (talking to myself(y))

I know there is so much conjecture, however, I'm sure I read from one source (Grrrrr the source isn't 100% reliable, blahhhhh....) that Elvis didn't in fact like the "Memphis Mafia" name, as the name wasn't, well, you know.....


Marty went on to explain in some detail why these guys weren't and never were MM members he said all those guys know they weren't and they knew Elvis thoughts on the subect but they say they were to make themselves look good or important to the fans.

In all fairness, Marty Lacker is very "passionate", lol, and to my observation, his responses, to my way of thinking, aren't objective. Marty is old school, and some in that generation, are always right, no matter what.

That said, :blink::blink::blink: lol, how's Global Warming going your way? :supriced:

[KPM]

I can answer all those questions for you.

I've heard it all come from Marty Lackers mouth

Yes, it meant something to the guys and to Elvis

A TCB necklace is not the same thing as a membership in the Memphis mafia.


The Memphis mafia members were Marty Lacker, Joe Esposito, Red West, Sonny West, Lamar Fike, Richard Davis, Alan Fortas and Billy Smith.

According to Marty Lacker Elvis told them verbally that he did not consider Charlie Hodge, George Klein, Larry Gellar, Ed Parker, Dick Grob, Jerry Schilling, Dave Hebler, Dr.Nick and the Stanley brothers Memphis mafia members.

Marty went on to explain in some detail why these guys weren't and never were MM members he said all those guys know they weren't and they knew Elvis thoughts on the subect but they say they were to make themselves look good or important to the fans.
Brian I am not going to argue with you-Marty said??
Fine- I have said many times in many threads I will always question something which is "hearsay" (it is not admissable in a court of law)
That is not to say Marty is lying-it is to say Elvis never publicly made any announcements as to who was a true blue dyed in the wool MM. That leaves a question as to any claims-it leaves a "reasonable doubt".
Since the MM changed over the years did Elvis yearly say
"officially this year So and So is in, so and so is out-so. So it shall be written so it shall be done":D
There is a good reason that "hearsay" is not admissable and it is because anyone can make claim to any information from anyone-the court requires some proof beyond this such as a public statement which can be verified.
You believe who you want-on whatever subject you want-by your own criteria of how you decide to accept it-thats fine and I understand.
I have my own basis for such things also-and its very different from yours.

[Brian]

Brian I am not going to argue with you-Marty said??
Fine- I have said many times in many threads I will always question something which is "hearsay" (it is not admissable in a court of law)
That is not to say Marty is lying-it is to say Elvis never publicly made any announcements as to who was a true blue dyed in the wool MM. That leaves a question as to any claims-it leaves a "reasonable doubt".
Since the MM changed over the years did Elvis yearly say
"officially this year So and So is in, so and so is out-so. So it shall be written so it shall be done":D
There is a good reason that "hearsay" is not admissable and it is because anyone can make claim to any information from anyone-the court requires some proof beyond this such as a public statement which can be verified.
You believe who you want-on whatever subject you want-by your own criteria of how you decide to accept it-thats fine and I understand.
I have my own basis for such things also-and its very different from yours.

you can believe what you want.

I'm just telling you what one of the legal owners of the name the Memphis mafia has said about it.

You said that you didn't know he was an owner well now you do.
so you learn something new everyday.

I gave you this info to help you make up your mind about this subject.

Elvis didn't say much publicly one way another about a lot of things so I figure Marty Lacker would know how he felt.

[Brian]

Brian, I read Marty's responses on this matter on AEK, it all does seem to be, reading Marty's words, that things are always kinda slanted his way. There was his inner circle ("the original guys" as Marty says), and that was it. Perhaps it's true, very true, I don't know, I'm just adding some thoughts.





Where/when did Marty say this, he never went that far on AEK to say Elvis felt that way to be non inclusive of the other men? Marty just insisted that there were the "original guys" and that was it.

Also, Charlie is an "original guy" as he was there before Marty (wasn't he? Marty came in, after the Army, although he and Elvis saw each other at school at times) Charlie being closer to Elvis, from what I gather, than Marty was. Alright, Charlie was a musician, and not a body guard, neither really was Marty :hmm: lol. Charlie was a lovely man perhaps he wasn't part of the "other guys" click.. :hmm: lol :lol: (talking to myself(y))

I know there is so much conjecture, however, I'm sure I read from one source (Grrrrr the source isn't 100% reliable, blahhhhh....) that Elvis didn't in fact like the "Memphis Mafia" name, as the name wasn't, well, you know.....



In all fairness, Marty Lacker is very "passionate", lol, and to my observation, his responses, to my way of thinking, aren't objective. Marty is old school, and some in that generation, are always right, no matter what.

That said, :blink::blink::blink: lol, how's Global Warming going your way? :supriced:

You know who Marty Lacker is always running down Charlie Hodge?
He ran him down and said Charlie Hodge wasn't considered a member of the MM because anytime someone wanted him to do something for Elvis
Charlie would say that's not my job.
He said Charlie stayed for awhile at Graceland after he got out of the army then he hit the road for a long while.

He said that on AEK you must of missed it.

To Marty Lacker the only MM were the original guys.
He said Elvis felt the same way though

Yeah, everything Marty Lacker says is slanted toward his view
The Memphis mafia guys don't agree on a lot of things and couldn't even order lunch together.

I heard from people who say Elvis loved the name Memphis mafia.
Joe Esposito for example.
It's a cool name.



It's not just Marty Lacker all the Memphis mafia guys say George Klein wasn't a member.

If Marty said George wasn't a member and the other guys said he was well, then I wouldn't believe Marty but since everbody says he wasn't.
then I do.

[Junebug]

I can answer all those questions for you.

I've heard it all come from Marty Lackers mouth

Yes, it meant something to the guys and to Elvis

A TCB necklace is not the same thing as a membership in the Memphis mafia.


The Memphis mafia members were Marty Lacker, Joe Esposito, Red West, Sonny West, Lamar Fike, Richard Davis, Alan Fortas and Billy Smith.

According to Marty Lacker Elvis told them verbally that he did not consider Charlie Hodge, George Klein, Larry Gellar, Ed Parker, Dick Grob, Jerry Schilling, Dave Hebler, Dr.Nick and the Stanley brothers Memphis mafia members.

Marty went on to explain in some detail why these guys weren't and never were MM members he said all those guys know they weren't and they knew Elvis thoughts on the subect but they say they were to make themselves look good or important to the fans.


Oh my gosh!!!

This is so funny!!! :lol::lol::lol:

Whether Lacker believes these guys are 'members' are not obviously doesn't matter!

The majority of fans choose so-called 'nonmembers' as favorites!

So much for looking 'good and important', Marty!!! (y)

Bet that money is just rolling on in! :blink::blink::blink:

[Merry]

You know who Marty Lacker is always running down Charlie Hodge?

Yes



He ran him down and said Charlie Hodge wasn't considered a member of the MM because anytime someone wanted him to do something for Elvis
Charlie would say that's not my job.


Yes, he said that, but I took it in the context of dislike, and jealousy.





Yeah, everything Marty Lacker says is slanted toward his view
The Memphis mafia guys don't agree on a lot of things and couldn't even order lunch together.


LOL, I've noticed Sonny's face when Marty recalls.




I heard from people who say Elvis loved the name Memphis mafia.
Joe Esposito for example.
It's a cool name.


Who, Brian?



It's not just Marty Lacker all the Memphis mafia guys say George Klein wasn't a member.

Marty Lacker also holds a grudge against George Klein, as you probably know.




If Marty said George wasn't a member and the other guys said he was well, then I wouldn't believe Marty but since everbody says he wasn't.
then I do.

[Brian]

Yes



Yes, he said that, but I took it in the context of dislike, and jealousy.




LOL, I've noticed Sonny's face when Marty recalls.




Who, Brian?




Marty Lacker also holds a grudge against George Klein, as you probably know.




Joe Esposito, Patti Perry

they all say Elvis was into he liked all the mafia name stuff.
I like the name too! it's really cool.

Marty Lacker does hold a grudge George.
But that wasn't my point.
Marty says Klein was never a member of the Memphis mafia.
The other MM guys say he wasn't either.
so I'll take their word for it.

Like I said Klein was a radio disc jockey who wasn't around as much as the others.
They all say he was a friend of Elvis' but not Memphis mafia.

[Brian]

Oh my gosh!!!

This is so funny!!! :lol::lol::lol:

Whether Lacker believes these guys are 'members' are not obviously doesn't matter!

The majority of fans choose so-called 'nonmembers' as favorites!

So much for looking 'good and important', Marty!!! (y)

Bet that money is just rolling on in! :blink::blink::blink:


Well yes, fans pick their favorite member of Elvis entourage but a few of those guys weren't Memphis mafia even though fans call them that.

that's all Marty Lacker was basically saying.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Isn't it funny how everybody runs Marty down until they wish to put their point across and then suddenly Marty is the font of all knowledge ;)

[Merry]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Isn't it funny how everybody runs Marty down until they wish to put their point across and then suddenly Marty is the font of all knowledge ;)



I didn't run Marty down.:'(

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I didn't run Marty down.:'(

I do recall the 'Farty Marty' comment?

[Merry]

I do recall the 'Farty Marty' comment?



:lmfao: That's funny, but no, I didn't coin that one :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I wonder who will claim it? It's good, lol(y):lmfao: lol

Poor Mr. Moon, :D

[May]

I can answer all those questions for you.

I've heard it all come from Marty Lackers mouth

Yes, it meant something to the guys and to Elvis

A TCB necklace is not the same thing as a membership in the Memphis mafia.


The Memphis mafia members were Marty Lacker, Joe Esposito, Red West, Sonny West, Lamar Fike, Richard Davis, Alan Fortas and Billy Smith.

According to Marty Lacker Elvis told them verbally that he did not consider Charlie Hodge, George Klein, Larry Gellar, Ed Parker, Dick Grob, Jerry Schilling, Dave Hebler, Dr.Nick and the Stanley brothers Memphis mafia members.

Marty went on to explain in some detail why these guys weren't and never were MM members he said all those guys know they weren't and they knew Elvis thoughts on the subect but they say they were to make themselves look good or important to the fans.

Brian, do you believe Marty tells the truth about everything?

[jak]

Marty Lacker wouldnt win any awards for civility that's for sure.However,he is honest and truthfull.Some people just dont like what he has to say or how he says it.He is harsh and abrasive.This does not put his integrity into question though.
Klein was not a member of the MM IMO.Forgive my language but he was basically Elvis' pimp in Memphis.He's a very nice man.He is also a fountain of misinformation.I like him but he just cant keep the fact straight.
Hodge was disliked by many in Elvis' circle for various reasons.Hodge was not the always loveable teddy bear some think he was.I like Hodge but he just wasnt as innocent as so many think.

[Donut]

Marty Lacker wouldnt win any awards for civility that's for sure.However,he is honest and truthfull.Some people just dont like what he has to say or how he says it.He is harsh and abrasive.This does not put his integrity into question though.
Klein was not a member of the MM IMO.Forgive my language but he was basically Elvis' pimp in Memphis.He's a very nice man.He is also a fountain of misinformation.I like him but he just cant keep the fact straight.
Hodge was disliked by many in Elvis' circle for various reasons.Hodge was not the always loveable teddy bear some think he was.I like Hodge but he just wasnt as innocent as so many think.

I agree with you completely, jak. Marty comes across as harsh and abrasive but like you I think he is more truthful and honest than any of the "good boys" team.

[jak]

I agree with you completely, jak. Marty comes across as harsh and abrasive but like you I think he is more truthful and honest than any of the "good boys" team.

I agree.He is just a straight shooter.I just dont think he tries to hide anything.For example,Schilling is a great guy.Yet he will never open up and be as honest or truthfull as Lacker.He's still to involved with EPE and he cant ruffle feathers.The other guys dont have anything to lose.I dont care for the same old sanitized versions of stories told by some of the guys.It's been a long time.Just tell it like it was.

[Sweet_One_E.]

This is a most hard decision, but I will say Billy Smith because he was their for Elvis in the very end. even if he was family he still wouldn't have to stay. I'm most grateful Elvis had him.

[Junebug]

Fox in sheep's clothing.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I agree.He is just a straight shooter.I just dont think he tries to hide anything.For example,Schilling is a great guy.Yet he will never open up and be as honest or truthfull as Lacker.He's still to involved with EPE and he cant ruffle feathers.The other guys dont have anything to lose.I dont care for the same old sanitized versions of stories told by some of the guys.It's been a long time.Just tell it like it was.

Agreed, Marty's bark is worse than his bite, I believe most of what he says..

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Fox in sheep's clothing.

Who is :hmm:

[KPM]

you can believe what you want.

I'm just telling you what one of the legal owners of the name the Memphis mafia has said about it.

You said that you didn't know he was an owner well now you do.
so you learn something new everyday.

I gave you this info to help you make up your mind about this subject.

Elvis didn't say much publicly one way another about a lot of things so I figure Marty Lacker would know how he felt.
Brian to be truthful I could care less that Lacker copyrighted the name Memphis Mafia-to also be truthful IMO it was a moneymaking idea-to somewhere along the way make some money from the "PRESS" coined term Memphis Mafia. You are the one who brought up this copyright situation.
And whether or not Elvis thought of George as a MM has nothing at all to do with copyrighting the name years later after there is no longer a MM.
The idea that because anyone owns the name "today" that that decides who was in that group "yesterday" 32 years since there was an active MM is just not relevant.
Giving us the info to help us make up our mind did nothing but clutter the question with something that is not relevant.
Lacker being a MM while Elvis was alive-is relevant-but I reserve the right to question what he says-when Elvis never made any public proclamation of who was in, out , up, down in that group.
I hold the same for any situation with any person in life (not just Elvis questions)-"hearsay" not admissable so I take "hearsay" with a grain of salt.
For me that is a fair way to approach anything.

[Brian]

Brian to be truthful I could care less that Lacker copyrighted the name Memphis Mafia-to also be truthful IMO it was a moneymaking idea-to somewhere along the way make some money from the "PRESS" coined term Memphis Mafia. You are the one who brought up this copyright situation.
And whether or not Elvis thought of George as a MM has nothing at all to do with copyrighting the name years later after there is no longer a MM.
The idea that because anyone owns the name "today" that that decides who was in that group "yesterday" 32 years since there was an active MM is just not relevant.
Giving us the info to help us make up our mind did nothing but clutter the question with something that is not relevant.
Lacker being a MM while Elvis was alive-is relevant-but I reserve the right to question what he says-when Elvis never made any public proclamation of who was in, out , up, down in that group.
I hold the same for any situation with any person in life (not just Elvis questions)-"hearsay" not admissable so I take "hearsay" with a grain of salt.
For me that is a fair way to approach anything.

I don't care if you think it's useless

I told you he owns it and now you knew something that you didn't know before.

To the Memphis mafia it's very important who was and who was not a member

George Klein wasn't a member of the Memphis mafia not now and not when Elvis was alive.

[Brian]

Brian, do you believe Marty tells the truth about everything?

I didn't say I believe everything Marty Lacker says

He's right about George Klein though.
He's probably right about Charlie Hodge.

Most of what Marty Lacker says is true.

some fans don't like it because of his attitude.

I don't agree with his opinions about Elvis music or career though.
But those are just his personal views.

[KPM]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Isn't it funny how everybody runs Marty down until they wish to put their point across and then suddenly Marty is the font of all knowledge ;)
I hope I am not coming across as running down Marty-thats not my point.
I think early on to Brian I said if George was not a full fledged MM because he had no real job and did not travel frequently with Elvis-perhaps he was in spirit in Elvis's estimation.
Then the copyrighting of the name MM came into the discussion which prolonged my involvement-because it has no relevance to the issue of a situation which existed when Elvis was alive-in any way shape or form.
Marty being in the MM when Elvis was alive-is relevant but not a copyright situation 30 plus years after he died.
But I am not running Marty down-I am just using my right to question things which Elvis never publicly really addressed.

[KPM]

I don't care if you think it's useless
I told you he owns it and now you knew something that you didn't know before.

To the Memphis mafia it's very important who was and who was not a member

George Klein wasn't a member of the Memphis mafia not now and not when Elvis was alive.
Never said it was useless-said its not relevant to the discussion-it has no bearing on the question------it happened years later--- not to decide who was in the group when Elvis was alive----but for all intents and purposes to lay claim to the name for some monetary reason which may come from owning the copyright.
Your opinion is yours and mine is mine.
I do not make definitive statements when there are also options which are viable explainations. This is one of those situations. Is that an unfair outlook? No IMO

[KPM]

I don't care if you think it's useless

I told you he owns it and now you knew something that you didn't know before.

To the Memphis mafia it's very important who was and who was not a member

George Klein wasn't a member of the Memphis mafia not now and not when Elvis was alive.
There can be no MM without Elvis-since the only reason there was an MM to start with was to work for and protect Elvis.
There are remnants of the MM alive-but they no longer work nor protect Elvis.
If there is a current MM-it is in name only- since Elvis is not alive. IMO

[mrsphilly]

Joe is my pick

[KPM]

I also see these type situations as being another debate about:
"Who was closest to Elvis"
We have all mentioned somewhere along the way the idea of the claims:
Best friend
closest confidant,
the one Elvis would discuss his most personal, financial and professional problems with..............
All have somewhere along the way layed claim to the title
"Closest to Elvis.
It was a pecking order when Elvis was alive-jealousy abounded-and its no different with him gone. IMO

[Diane]

I also see these type situations as being another debate about:
"Who was closest to Elvis"
We have all mentioned somewhere along the way the idea of the claims:
Best friend
closest confidant,
the one Elvis would discuss his most personal, financial and professional problems with..............
All have somewhere along the way layed claim to the title
"Closest to Elvis.
It was a pecking order when Elvis was alive-jealousy abounded-and its no different with him gone. IMO

I totally agree but I hope we won't go there.:) It would be another situation where there is no real answer.

Diane

[KPM]

I totally agree but I hope we won't go there.:) It would be another situation where there is no real answer.

Diane
You are correct-no real answer. :D:D

[Genie]

Fan's of Elvis, if nothing else is true, Elvis could not stand Marty Lacker. He fired him repeatedly then felt sorry for his family, and let him come back. Little did he know Marty would come off with some incredible fabels to tell the media and write books (with a lot of help) making Elvis look like everything he was not.

[Sweet_One_E.]

I can't think of what it would be like if Elvis did not have them all, each one. he hand picked them and we know a lot because of them. John Lennon was famous, do people talk so intimately about him, I wonder.

[Brian]

Never said it was useless-said its not relevant to the discussion-it has no bearing on the question------it happened years later--- not to decide who was in the group when Elvis was alive----but for all intents and purposes to lay claim to the name for some monetary reason which may come from owning the copyright.
Your opinion is yours and mine is mine.
I do not make definitive statements when there are also options which are viable explainations. This is one of those situations. Is that an unfair outlook? No IMO

I make definitive statements because I know it.


George klein knows he wasn't a member.

You can believe Klein was member but you'd be wrong.

It's not my opinion George Klein wasn't a member

He was a nerdy disc jockey.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I hope I am not coming across as running down Marty-thats not my point.

Not at all Ken, I just find it amusing that a lot of people on this site have in the past and quite recently made comments about Marty, they have certainly condemned any books he has been associated with and generally run him down. However when they want to settle an issue they will point to him for clarification :lol:

[Brian]

Not at all Ken, I just find it amusing that a lot of people on this site have in the past and quite recently made comments about Marty, they have certainly condemned any books he has been associated with and generally run him down. However when they want to settle an issue they will point to him for clarification :lol:

I can tell you why that is.

Marty Lacker is the only person who answer questions for Elvis fans on a regular basis.
All the other people associated with Elvis don't do that and will only do occasional interviews many of the things fans want to know no one else has commented on other than Marty.
Like some time ago fans on the FECC forum wanted to know what Elvis felt about the Vietnam war no one else close to Elvis has ever said so somebody asked Marty his reply was that Elvis was for the Vietnam War.

[Merry]

I can tell you why that is.

.



We agree (y)(y):D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I can tell you why that is.

Marty Lacker is the only person who answer questions for Elvis fans on a regular basis.
All the other people associated with Elvis don't do that and will only do occasional interviews many of the things fans want to know no one else has commented on other than Marty.
Like some time ago fans on the FECC forum wanted to know what Elvis felt about the Vietnam war no one else close to Elvis has ever said so somebody asked Marty his reply was that Elvis was for the Vietnam War.

Devils advocate: Just because Marty is the most accessible doesn't mean he doesn't embellish his role in the MM or dare I say it, tell untruths. If as stated in this thread Elvis didn't like Marty why would he then confide in him :hmm:

[Brian]

Devils advocate: Just because Marty is the most accessible doesn't mean he doesn't embellish his role in the MM or dare I say it, tell untruths. If as stated in this thread Elvis didn't like Marty why would he then confide in him :hmm:

I don't like Marty Lacker personally he's got a very big ego and he acts like he's a superstar but evidently Elvis chose to be friends with him.
He wouldn't of been my friend if I were Elvis.

I do find some of the things he says entertaining like when he runs down other people in Elvis life.
some of the things he says is rather mean though like what he says about LMP
To me knowledge Lisa Marie has never said anything about him and he doesn't have any personal history with her like he does with Priscilla or the other MM guys or Col. Parker but he always runs her down or calls her names.
Now if LMP said something bad about him then he can defend himself but she never has.

What you say is true but I don't think he embellish's at least not as much as other people do in Elvis life.
I do wish some of the other MM guys would talk with the fans as much as Marty does they seem nicer.

You don't think Marty Lacker's a reliable source?

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

You don't think Marty Lacker's a reliable source?

I believe approx 70% of everything he says, Yes he is a reliable source insofar as what others have confirmed, however unless he has an amazing ability to recall events over 30-40 years ago with exacting precision, I believe he too now believes his own press. Memories fade and they are replaced with vague/inaccurate recollections IMO

All said and done he is one of the only accessible links to Elvis, so we have to take the information he disseminates and try to extricate to truth.

[cre]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but who is your favourite Memphis Mafia member? Just curious..:lol:

franny

For me..First: Elvis off course ;) :)
Second: Charlie and then Jerry.

Nice thread Franny
http://smiley.net.ru/lovhug001.gif
Chantal

[May]

I didn't say I believe everything Marty Lacker says

He's right about George Klein though.
He's probably right about Charlie Hodge.

Most of what Marty Lacker says is true.

.

So you believe him about George Klein, but you dont know whether to believe him about Charlie?

[May]

There can be no MM without Elvis-since the only reason there was an MM to start with was to work for and protect Elvis.
There are remnants of the MM alive-but they no longer work nor protect Elvis.
If there is a current MM-it is in name only- since Elvis is not alive. IMO

(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Brian]

I believe approx 70% of everything he says, Yes he is a reliable source insofar as what others have confirmed, however unless he has an amazing ability to recall events over 30-40 years ago with exacting precision, I believe he too now believes his own press. Memories fade and they are replaced with vague/inaccurate recollections IMO

.

Marty Lacker has bragged in the past that he has a near photographic memory.

[Brian]

So you believe him about George Klein, but you dont know whether to believe him about Charlie?

that's right but it's probably true.

[May]

So you obviously dont believe everything Marty says.

[May]

Marty Lacker has bragged in the past that he has a near photographic memory.

:lmfao:The poor guy's got to have something going for him. He ain't blessed in the looks, charm or talent department is he? :blink:

[Brian]

So you obviously dont believe everything Marty says.

I never said I did.

I said I think most of what he says is true.

I know he's right about George Klein

[TotallyInsane]

:lmfao:The poor guy's got to have something going for him. He ain't blessed in the looks, charm or talent department is he? :blink:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao:

[Brian]

:lmfao:The poor guy's got to have something going for him. He ain't blessed in the looks, charm or talent department is he? :blink:

I thought most female Elvis fans thought Marty was the most handsome of the Memphis mafia.

[May]

I thought most female Elvis fans thought Marty was the most handsome of the Memphis mafia.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::l mfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I am beginning to doubt your sanity Brian! :wacko:;)

[May]

I never said I did.

I said I think most of what he says is true.

I know he's right about George Klein

I didnt say you did either. :P
I am just intrigued, because you are so definate about 'facts' that come from Marty, yet how can you be so sure what comes out of his mouth when you yourself dont believe everything that does. :hmm:

[May]

I thought most female Elvis fans thought Marty was the most handsome of the Memphis mafia.

Interesting point you bring up there though Brian, when Ive stopped laughing that is! (y)

Kind of back to the title of this thread too. If people have a "favourite", what about who do you think is the best looking MM ?

although, its gotta be said, slim pickings!!:blush:

[Brian]

I didnt say you did either. :P
I am just intrigued, because you are so definate about 'facts' that come from Marty, yet how can you be so sure what comes out of his mouth when you yourself dont believe everything that does. :hmm:

It's simple

As I explained when saying George Klein wasn't a member of the Memphis mafia all of the members of the MM have said Klein wasn't a member.
it's not just Marty.

When confirming a story you must have at least 2 independent sources.

I don't know if what he says is true about Charlie Hodge because I wasn't there but it seems plausible.
Charlie Hodge was in a couple of singing groups before and during his time with Elvis and was actually on stage with him so it could very well be true that Charlie considered himself an entertainer and a member of Elvis band and not a member of the MM.

If another member of the MM says that about Hodge i'll know its true.
but like I said they don't comment on these things like Marty does.

[Brian]

Interesting point you bring up there though Brian, when Ive stopped laughing that is! (y)

Kind of back to the title of this thread too. If people have a "favourite", what about who do you think is the best looking MM ?

although, its gotta be said, slim pickings!!:blush:

I wouldn't know because i'm a man, but all joking aside i've heard most female fans say Jerry Schilling was actually the best looking.

Joe Esposito comments in his book Good Rocking Tonight that Lamar Fike would've been a good looking guy if he weren't fat.
it's just that he always ordered two of everything.

[Brian]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::l mfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I am beginning to doubt your sanity Brian! :wacko:;)

so you don't fantasize about running your fingers through his comb over?

[debtdbruno]

so you don't fantasize about running your fingers through his comb over?


You're a card Brian:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
...........and yes, Jerry is still the best looking

[Diane]

so you don't fantasize about running your fingers through his comb over?

I don't know how strong a stomach you other women have but mine is turning over.......;)

Diane

[Donut]

so you don't fantasize about running your fingers through his comb over?

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Sweet_One_E.]

Jerry was the best looking one, it is rumored that he and Priscilla had eye for each other. would have made a nice couple. I don't believe the rumor though

[Donut]

I wouldn't know because i'm a man, but all joking aside i've heard most female fans say Jerry Schilling was actually the best looking.


If I were forced to choose because my life depended on that my choice would be Sonny West. I don't find Jerry best looking at all.

[presley31]

Jerry l would say was the good looking one but marty is enough to make me sick just thinking about it.

[Pacerstar]

I also think Jerry Schilling was the best looking member of the MM, next to Elvis, of course.

[franny]

Jerry l would say was the good looking one but marty is enough to make me sick just thinking about it.

I agree, Jen. :lol:

franny

[May]

It's simple


When confirming a story you must have at least 2 independent sources.

.


Is that 'the rule' ?:lmfao:

[May]

so you don't fantasize about running your fingers through his comb over?

Oh yes. The greasier the better!!! It's not just that though, its the fact that he always looks so well-groomed generally and doesnt look at allllll likehe has a problem with personal hygiene!! :lmfao::lmfao:

[Brian]

Is that 'the rule' ?

Yes, that's the rule

I don't want anyone repeating anything they hear unless they have 2 independent sources to confirm it.

[May]

Yes, that's the rule

I don't want anyone repeating anything they hear unless they have 2 independent sources to confirm it.


Minimum!!!! Otherwise :nono: !!!


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Merry]

Minimum!!!! Otherwise :nono: !!!


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:




..... 30 lashes? :D :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[May]

And thats just for starters!!!!!

[KPM]

I make definitive statements because I know it.


George klein knows he wasn't a member.

You can believe Klein was member but you'd be wrong.

It's not my opinion George Klein wasn't a member

He was a nerdy disc jockey.
You can magically go into the spirit world and "know" the exact thoughts words and meaning of Elvis Presley? ;)

I think thats a little cruel and I can not hear Elvis calling him that. They were close friends-at least both expressed that when Elvis was alive.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Oh yes. The greasier the better!!! It's not just that though, its the fact that he always looks so well-groomed generally and doesnt look at allllll likehe has a problem with personal hygiene!! :lmfao::lmfao:


Yes, that's the rule

I don't want anyone repeating anything they hear unless they have 2 independent sources to confirm it.


Minimum!!!! Otherwise :nono: !!!


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


..... 30 lashes? :D :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


And thats just for starters!!!!!

:offtopic: come on folks lets keep to the subject at hand!

Matt

[GIORGIA]

I also think Jerry Schilling was the best looking member of the MM, next to Elvis, of course.
I Totally Agree with you!

[May]

I dont particularly like Sonny, but I think he was quite good looking back "in the day"

[Junebug]

Contrary to reports by Marty Lacker or anyone else, Marty Lacker does not have a copyright for the Memphis Mafia.

:king:

[Merry]

Contrary to reports by Marty Lacker or anyone else, Marty Lacker does not have a copyright for the Memphis Mafia.

:king:



Dear Junebug,

Marty makes claim to it, said he and Lamar copyrighted it (on AEK Lounge).

That isn't true?

:D

Kimmi

[Junebug]

It is not true.

Copyright law provides protection to creators of original works of authorship. Only the author or those deriving their rights

through the author can rightfully claim copyright.


Authorship covered can include literary, dramatic, artistic, and certain other intellectual works - not names or short phrases.

MLacker did not 'author' the term nor is it admissible.


Sidenote:
Copyright for Alanna Nash's Revelations of the Memphis Mafia does include MLacker along with Billy Smith and Lamar Fink as claimants.


:king:

[Merry]

It is not true.



:king:


LOL, as I've said before:

"You go girl" lol :D (y) :hug:

[KPM]

"Portrait of a Friend" by Marty and Patsy Lacker and Leslie S. Smith 1979
:Page 28-
The group of friends around Elvis became known as the Memphis Mafia...............through the years new men would become a part of the operation and some of those who had been around would leave to do something else......These men were a very important part of his life and my story about Elvis would not be complete without a brief description of those who spent a portion of their lives as employees and friends of Elvis Presley....

(I note that in his book on page 29 the 3rd person mentioned as employees or friends of Elvis is George Klein -lets not forget Marty defined on page 28 the Memphis Mafia as "the group of friends around Elvis")
Marty says this about George Klein-George is one of the nicest men I have ever met. I have never heard anyone say anything bad about him. He is nice to everyone and he was nice to Elvis in high school. Elvis never forgot a friend and very early in Elvis's career he asked George to travel with him. Later on George went into radio.........He remained close to Elvis until the end.
Elvis once told me "George will be my friend forever I will never forget how friendly and kind he was to me at Humes High"

If Marty says now George was not in the MM-it sure seems like thats what he was implying on pages 28 and 29 of his first book "Portrait of a Friend"

[Genie]

HE DOESN'T recall half of his life, Elvis could sit in the same room and play the piano, and he would doze off..later saying.. 'What piano?'

[Merry]

"Portrait of a Friend" by Marty and Patsy Lacker and Leslie S. Smith 1979
:Page 28-
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There was a falling out between George and Marty. Marty indicated, by the way he recalled the story, that he was hurt, as he tried to re-kindle the relationship (Marty recalled this story on alt.elvis.king).

[Brian]

"Portrait of a Friend" by Marty and Patsy Lacker and Leslie S. Smith 1979
:Page 28-
The group of friends around Elvis became known as the Memphis Mafia...............through the years new men would become a part of the operation and some of those who had been around would leave to do something else......These men were a very important part of his life and my story about Elvis would not be complete without a brief description of those who spent a portion of their lives as employees and friends of Elvis Presley....

(I note that in his book on page 29 the 3rd person mentioned as employees or friends of Elvis is George Klein -lets not forget Marty defined on page 28 the Memphis Mafia as "the group of friends around Elvis")
Marty says this about George Klein-George is one of the nicest men I have ever met. I have never heard anyone say anything bad about him. He is nice to everyone and he was nice to Elvis in high school. Elvis never forgot a friend and very early in Elvis's career he asked George to travel with him. Later on George went into radio.........He remained close to Elvis until the end.
Elvis once told me "George will be my friend forever I will never forget how friendly and kind he was to me at Humes High"

If Marty says now George was not in the MM-it sure seems like thats what he was implying on pages 28 and 29 of his first book "Portrait of a Friend"

oh that

Marty Lacker says nice things about everyone in that book even Colonel Parker.

[Pacerstar]

It is not true.

Copyright law provides protection to creators of original works of authorship. Only the author or those deriving their rights

through the author can rightfully claim copyright.


Authorship covered can include literary, dramatic, artistic, and certain other intellectual works - not names or short phrases.

MLacker did not 'author' the term nor is it admissible.


Sidenote:
Copyright for Alanna Nash's Revelations of the Memphis Mafia does include MLacker along with Billy Smith and Lamar Fink as claimants.


:king:

Larmar Fink???????? I must have missed him. LOL!:But, the name suits another
one that I know.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Junebug]

Larmar Fink???????? I must have missed him. LOL!:But, the name suits another
one that I know.:D:D:D:D:D:D


Lamar Fike aka 'Fike the Fink'

[Pacerstar]

Lamar Fike aka 'Fike the Fink'

:D:D I knew who she meant. Thanks.

[KPM]

oh that

Marty Lacker says nice things about everyone in that book even Colonel Parker.
??????-he spells out pretty plainly what an MM is-and he decides to tell us about the people who were MM around Elvis-and the third person on his list is George Klein.
So what you are saying is in 1979 he did not tell the truth or that in 1979 he did think of George as one-and then over time-he has decided it was not so?
He is now saying Elvis did not consider George a real MM-but he says Elvis asked George in the early years to travel with him in come capacity. He says MM were a group of friends who surrounded Elvis.
So no matter how you look at it there are conflicting answers on this to the same question-which backs my point perfectly.
It leaves open the question of how Elvis thought about this.
There is no doubt in my mind that Elvis loved George Klein-had Klein not decided to go into radio-he probably would have traveled full time with Elvis.
Klein decided after the early years to not do so-and to make a career on his own.

[KPM]

There was a falling out between George and Marty. Marty indicated, by the way he recalled the story, that he was hurt, as he tried to re-kindle the relationship (Marty recalled this story on alt.elvis.king).
I also recall another story in that book (not sure where) that Marty was short of cash and Klein heard about it, mentioned it to Elvis and Elvis in turn gave Marty an envelope with $300 cash in it to help.
Sounds like a pretty nice gesture on Georges part to tell, and of course on Elvis's part to give it. I think Marty mentions that Elvis gave a lot of money on the side to people-but was rarely paid back.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Klein decided after the early years to not do so-and to make a career on his own.

Which elevates George IMO and probably Elvis' opinion of him too.


I also recall another story in that book (not sure where) that Marty was short of cash and Klein heard about it, mentioned it to Elvis and Elvis in turn gave Marty an envelope with $300 cash in it to help.
Sounds like a pretty nice gesture on Georges part to tell, and of course on Elvis's part to give it. I think Marty mentions that Elvis gave a lot of money on the side to people-but was rarely paid back.

We don't hear enough of the good stuff Elvis did!

[Donut]

I think Marty mentions that Elvis gave a lot of money on the side to people-but was rarely paid back.

I remember that quote from Marty too. He told Elvis had tears in his eyes when Marty paid him part of that loan back because she wasn't used to it.

[Brian]

??????-he spells out pretty plainly what an MM is-and he decides to tell us about the people who were MM around Elvis-and the third person on his list is George Klein.
So what you are saying is in 1979 he did not tell the truth or that in 1979 he did think of George as one-and then over time-he has decided it was not so?
He is now saying Elvis did not consider George a real MM-but he says Elvis asked George in the early years to travel with him in come capacity. He says MM were a group of friends who surrounded Elvis.
So no matter how you look at it there are conflicting answers on this to the same question-which backs my point perfectly.
It leaves open the question of how Elvis thought about this.
There is no doubt in my mind that Elvis loved George Klein-had Klein not decided to go into radio-he probably would have traveled full time with Elvis.
Klein decided after the early years to not do so-and to make a career on his own.

Yeah, Marty Lacker said that it was so soon after Elvis death that he didn't want to say anything bad about anyone.

that's why he says good things about everyone including Col. Parker and George Klein. (according to Marty.)

He says that he and George Klein were friends until about a year after Elvis died and then they had a falling out.


If George Klein did decide to travel with Elvis full time instead of doing his radio DJ job I think he would've been considered a member of the Memphis mafia by the other guys.

[May]

I remember that quote from Marty too. He told Elvis had tears in his eyes when Marty paid him part of that loan back because she wasn't used to it.

did Marty ever pay it all back?
I bet Elvis was SO used to people "borrowing" from him...... probably even the suggestion to pay it back made him feel good, as so many people probably took the mick!!(n)

[Donut]

did Marty ever pay it all back?
I bet Elvis was SO used to people "borrowing" from him...... probably even the suggestion to pay it back made him feel good, as so many people probably took the mick!!(n)

Yes. He says he gave Vernon part of his salary each month untill it was totally repaid.

[May]

Well that goes in favour of Marty, at least.

[Diane]

Well that goes in favour of Marty, at least.

Yes it does. Had everyone else done the same, Elvis might not have been in the financial fix he was at the end.

Diane