Elvis giving the finger to the crowd

[Unchained Melody]

Yes folks that looks to be exactly what he is doing
this photo posted already by Robert at fecc is taken from August 28th 1976 Houston texas.

[Brian]

An obscene photograph

little kids visit this site and if they saw this it would be very bad.

[elvislady]

An obscene photograph

little kids visit this site and if they saw this it would be very bad.

how old are we talking brian? most kids any age today do that every day... we are living in 2009! no i am not saying it is right.

elvislady

[Brian]

how old are we talking brian? most kids any age today do that every day... we are living in 2009!

elvislady

Elvis has young fans ages 5-11.





Those kids you are referring to are probably older

[EnigmaticSun]

Those kids you are referring to are probably older

Hahaha, that's the question. When I was that old my 6yo classmates would talk about.. hmm, sexual behavior. I bet they just copy the grown-ups without understanding what it's about.

Anyway.. on BillyGilmanFans you get that all the time "no you can't post that, this is a family friendly website".. Their policy is over the top though. It's okay to keep children innocent, but you can't keep 'em away from reality.

..LOL - wonder what caused Elvis to be offended like that..?

[Lonniebealestreet]

I remember reading that the last time Elvis played Houston it was a pretty bad performance. I am thinking it may have even been the case that they did not want him back after this occasion, sadly. Of course there had been some killer shows there over the years. So perhaps this highly unprofessional gesture was in response to some audience members who were making it clear they didn't appreciate his effort, or lack thereof. Or it may have been directed at one of the backup singers or another member of his crew, who knows.

I am reminded of the much more subtle flip of the bird to the band at the end of a song in Hampton Roads '72 (or was it Greensboro?) but that appeared to be done in a much different spirit -- more playfully -- than in this unfortunate display.

[elvislady]

Elvis has young fans ages 5-11.





Those kids you are referring to are probably older

well if they were my 5 year olds :hmm: i would vet the site for any obscene activaty,if you want to call it that before i let them on! but believe me kids today know more than we do.

elvislady

[Debra]

An obscene photograph

little kids visit this site and if they saw this it would be very bad.


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Diane]

believe me kids today know more than we do.elvislady

That's the truth and who can prove that that wasn't just the way Elvis was holding his hand with no obscene gesture intended??????? What something looks like ain't always what is seems................:blink:

Diane

[john carpenter]

how old are we talking brian? most kids any age today do that every day... we are living in 2009! no i am not saying it is right.

elvislady OMG Brian...it's not like Elvis is nude:lmfao:

[4THEHEART]

sorry kids, but I'm second to that gesture as long as people keep judging him for nonsense after all those years and everything he gave to too many..

[Unchained Melody]

OMG Brian...it's not like Elvis is nude:lmfao:

Its ok Brian seems to like following every post I make around here its fine, its ok i guess to have a stalker :doh::P

[Unchained Melody]

I remember reading that the last time Elvis played Houston it was a pretty bad performance. I am thinking it may have even been the case that they did not want him back after this occasion, sadly. Of course there had been some killer shows there over the years. So perhaps this highly unprofessional gesture was in response to some audience members who were making it clear they didn't appreciate his effort, or lack thereof. Or it may have been directed at one of the backup singers or another member of his crew, who knows.

I am reminded of the much more subtle flip of the bird to the band at the end of a song in Hampton Roads '72 (or was it Greensboro?) but that appeared to be done in a much different spirit -- more playfully -- than in this unfortunate display.

Very well said Bobby, I recall reading Elvis And The Memphis Mafia that after the show on the plan Elvis asked Lamar where are we and Lamar replied you're kidding Right? Also from the photos I've seen of Elvis after the show he seriously looked half awake.

Here are a few taken from Paul's Candid Central site.

[presley31]

Elvis has young fans ages 5-11.





Those kids you are referring to are probably older

I'am sure that even the younger kids today have seen much worse than the middle finger. As for 5 years old l can't see them on here just surfing without the parents being around. My son is 4 and he wouldn't of think to come on elvis site or wouldn't even know how to find it online :lol::lol::lol:

[TotallyInsane]

Hold it folks - I was at this show and can tell you what happened!!!

This is the show I was at where I fell over the rail and got knocked out and Linda Thompson and Jackie Kahane came to my rescue. Elvis was standing there concerned and someone yelled "on with the show" and this was Elvis' response to them!!! :D:D:D:D

(Personally I think this could be a picture where it looks like it's something it's not)

Another note about this show. After Elvis died I talked to J.D. Sumner about this show and he remembered it well - he even said it was the worse show Elvis ever did which I truly believe is correct. JD said that he was in San Antonio the night before and for some reason it was believed Houston was a night show and he had taken his sleeping medication early that morning. It was an afternoon show and they had a heck of a time getting he awake. I don't believe he ever actually was full awake. It was a sad show. (what little I saw of it).

[Unchained Melody]

Hold it folks - I was at this show and can tell you what happened!!!

This is the show I was at where I fell over the rail and got knocked out and Linda Thompson and Jackie Kahane came to my rescue. Elvis was standing there concerned and someone yelled "on with the show" and this was Elvis' response to them!!! :D:D:D:D

(Personally I think this could be a picture where it looks like it's something it's not)

Another note about this show. After Elvis died I talked to J.D. Sumner about this show and he remembered it well - he even said it was the worse show Elvis ever did which I truly believe is correct. JD said that he was in San Antonio the night before and for some reason it was believed Houston was a night show and he had taken his sleeping medication early that morning. It was an afternoon show and they had a heck of a time getting he awake. I don't believe he ever actually was full awake. It was a sad show. (what little I saw of it).

Thanks so much for that Gail and clearing the picture up(y)(y)(y)
I wish one day a recording of this show, even a decent audience recording would become available just to have a listen to see if its really that bad of a show. Thanks again Gail(y) By the way, how did you manage to fall over the rail ?

[Tommy]

Hold it folks - I was at this show and can tell you what happened!!!

This is the show I was at where I fell over the rail and got knocked out and Linda Thompson and Jackie Kahane came to my rescue. Elvis was standing there concerned and someone yelled "on with the show" and this was Elvis' response to them!!! :D:D:D:D

(Personally I think this could be a picture where it looks like it's something it's not)

Another note about this show. After Elvis died I talked to J.D. Sumner about this show and he remembered it well - he even said it was the worse show Elvis ever did which I truly believe is correct. JD said that he was in San Antonio the night before and for some reason it was believed Houston was a night show and he had taken his sleeping medication early that morning. It was an afternoon show and they had a heck of a time getting he awake. I don't believe he ever actually was full awake. It was a sad show. (what little I saw of it).

Thank you Gail, for the right information about this. (y)

[Tommy]

I hope this puts an end to this kind of talk, what's the point, also the photo is probably a fake.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

An obscene photograph

little kids visit this site and if they saw this it would be very bad.

Seriously, do you really believe a grainy photo of Elvis showing a gesture that could or could not be the 'Bird' is quote "Obscene" IMO that is a bit of an overreaction! I find it difficult to believe that kids of the age who would be offended at such a photo would be on here without their parents guiding them.

[Unchained Melody]

Nothing wrong with flipping the bird if needed.

If you talk like Elvis, with yes mam and yes sir it's alright to through up a finger if the situation was asking for it.
Nice guys have to raise hell at least once a week, if not not nasty people walk all over you.:)

Well said Unchained :lol:(y)(y)

[Teddy]

Nice guys have to raise hell at least once a week, if not not nasty people walk all over you.:)

I completely agree (y)(y)(y)
Hence my recent activity on the Pregnant Cilla thread! :lol:

[Getlo]

Elvis is not flipping the bird in this picture. He is clearly in the middle of a talk and is moving his hands. If you watch a lot of video, he makes similar gestures a lot.

Look for the bird being flipped to Charlie in TTWII though ... always good for a laugh.

[SleepyJack]

Obscene????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[TotallyInsane]

Obscene????:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Don't worry folks - it's just Brian practicing his "debate skills"!! :D

[Tony Trout]

I remember reading that the last time Elvis played Houston it was a pretty bad performance. I am thinking it may have even been the case that they did not want him back after this occasion, sadly. Of course there had been some killer shows there over the years. So perhaps this highly unprofessional gesture was in response to some audience members who were making it clear they didn't appreciate his effort, or lack thereof. Or it may have been directed at one of the backup singers or another member of his crew, who knows.

I am reminded of the much more subtle flip of the bird to the band at the end of a song in Hampton Roads '72 (or was it Greensboro?) but that appeared to be done in a much different spirit -- more playfully -- than in this unfortunate display.


The show you're referring to would be the Hampton Roads 4/9/72 evening show while he's singing "Are You Lonesome Tonight".


Very well said Bobby, I recall reading Elvis And The Memphis Mafia that after the show on the plane Elvis asked Lamar where are we and Lamar replied you're kidding Right? Also from the photos I've seen of Elvis after the show he seriously looked half awake.

Here are a few taken from Paul's Candid Central site.

You are partially correct, Brad. Lamar Fike says that this incident happened in March of '74 in Houston: Here's Lamar's recollection of the show:


The worst performance I witnessed was in Houston, Texas. That morning, he was so loaded that we had to throw him in a cold shower to try to bring him around. He had ****** near overdosed. When the cold water hit him, he didn't know it. He was that screwed up.

When he went out onstage that night, he did twenty-two minutes and forgot all the songs then he walked offstage and got in the bus. He wouldn't have even done the twenty-two minutes if we hadn't thrown him in the shower. He didn't remember doing the show. He didn't even remember where he was. He came by me and said, "Where the **** were we?" I said, "Well, I can promise you that it wasn't Secaucus, New Jersey." He said, "Don't get funny". I said, "We were in Houston," which was one of his big towns. I said, "You've got to watch what you're doing because you don't know what's going on out there."

It didn't register. He didn't pay attention to it. They were booing and everything. I think they even asked us not to come back. That was in '74 (I think Lamar has his dates screwed up here because this would've been March of '74 that he's referring to but I've never read of any of the March '74 shows in Houston being as bad as the one in Houston in '76). But he didn't care. He would cancel a show at the drop of a hat. If he was straight, that would never happen in a thousand years."

Elvis had taken his medication at the wrong time of the day and he literally did not wake up until the middle of the show. That was the last time (or close to the last time) that Elvis performed a matinee show ever again.



Hold it folks - I was at this show and can tell you what happened!!!

This is the show I was at where I fell over the rail and got knocked out and Linda Thompson and Jackie Kahane came to my rescue. Elvis was standing there concerned and someone yelled "on with the show" and this was Elvis' response to them!!! :D:D:D:D

(Personally I think this could be a picture where it looks like it's something it's not)

Another note about this show. After Elvis died I talked to J.D. Sumner about this show and he remembered it well - he even said it was the worse show Elvis ever did which I truly believe is correct. JD said that he was in San Antonio the night before and for some reason it was believed Houston was a night show and he had taken his sleeping medication early that morning. It was an afternoon show and they had a heck of a time getting he awake. I don't believe he ever actually was full awake. It was a sad show. (what little I saw of it).

You are correct in your recollection, Gail. Elvis truly was only half-awake for that show. By all accounts, including yours, it was a disaster and many people walked away asking for their money back and I believe some fans even walked away crying and even asked for their money back. :'(

As far as the worst show Elvis did, my vote would have to go to the Omaha, NE June 19, 1977 show filmed for "Elvis In Concert".

[Unchained Melody]

Tony I think Lamar has the date screwed up on that one, and thats what I thought when I first read that book, because from all accounts and many recordings, that March 1974 tour was one of his best ever, vocally IMO.

And the last matinee show Elvis ever held was on September 6th 1976,

Von Braun Civic Center, Huntsville, Alabama.

[TotallyInsane]

Thanks so much for that Gail and clearing the picture up(y)(y)(y)
I wish one day a recording of this show, even a decent audience recording would become available just to have a listen to see if its really that bad of a show. Thanks again Gail(y) By the way, how did you manage to fall over the rail ?

We were at the rail on the first upper balcony - probably 6 feet up. He came over to that side to throw scarves and I was leaning over reaching out. All these girls came rushing down and over I went. Knocked out cold. Linda and Jackie came over there and stayed with me til paramedics got there. They carried me to this room back behind the stage. They kept waking me up. I remember at one point - this big red shirt right in front of me. It was Joe Esposito and he said "Elvis wanted me to bring this to you". He picked up my neck and put the scarf around my neck. They found my mother who came to the room to get me. We went back to our seats. We later realized had we stood there behind the stage - that was exactly where he would have walked through...been bummed about that for years. The people at the stadium told her she needed to take me to the ER to get checked out but I didn't want to leave until after the show. So, we went to the ER after the show. Now, you all know what's wrong with me!! :D:D

[TotallyInsane]

Tony I think Lamar has the date screwed up on that one, and thats what I thought when I first read that book, because from all accounts and many recordings, that March 1974 tour was one of his best ever, vocally IMO.

And the last matinee show Elvis ever held was on September 6th 1976,

Von Braun Civic Center, Huntsville, Alabama.

Lamar definitely has his dates screwed up. In March 1974 he played at the Houston Astrodome again. IT WAS NOT A BAD SHOW!

[Unchained Melody]

Lamar definitely has his dates screwed up. In March 1974 he played at the Houston Astrodome again. IT WAS NOT A BAD SHOW!

Totally agreed Gail (y)

[Unchained Melody]

We were at the rail on the first upper balcony - probably 6 feet up. He came over to that side to throw scarves and I was leaning over reaching out. All these girls came rushing down and over I went. Knocked out cold. Linda and Jackie came over there and stayed with me til paramedics got there. They carried me to this room back behind the stage. They kept waking me up. I remember at one point - this big red shirt right in front of me. It was Joe Esposito and he said "Elvis wanted me to bring this to you". He picked up my neck and put the scarf around my neck. They found my mother who came to the room to get me. We went back to our seats. We later realized had we stood there behind the stage - that was exactly where he would have walked through...been bummed about that for years. The people at the stadium told her she needed to take me to the ER to get checked out but I didn't want to leave until after the show. So, we went to the ER after the show. Now, you all know what's wrong with me!! :D:D
Very neat story Gail, so do you remember Joe talking to you anymore other than giving you the red shirt?

[Teddy]

Cool story, Gail! (y)(y)(y)

[molokai123]

OMG Brian...it's not like Elvis is nude:lmfao:

gotta agree kids see worse everyday on the news,tv etc.

[john carpenter]

We were at the rail on the first upper balcony - probably 6 feet up. He came over to that side to throw scarves and I was leaning over reaching out. All these girls came rushing down and over I went. Knocked out cold. Linda and Jackie came over there and stayed with me til paramedics got there. They carried me to this room back behind the stage. They kept waking me up. I remember at one point - this big red shirt right in front of me. It was Joe Esposito and he said "Elvis wanted me to bring this to you". He picked up my neck and put the scarf around my neck. They found my mother who came to the room to get me. We went back to our seats. We later realized had we stood there behind the stage - that was exactly where he would have walked through...been bummed about that for years. The people at the stadium told her she needed to take me to the ER to get checked out but I didn't want to leave until after the show. So, we went to the ER after the show. Now, you all know what's wrong with me!! :D:D:lmfao::lmfao:you took the words out of my mouth..so that why you're Totally Insane;)

[TotallyInsane]

:lmfao::lmfao:you took the words out of my mouth..so that why you're Totally Insane;)

Hey, watch it buddy!!! :D:D

[EnigmaticSun]

..he even said it was the worse show Elvis ever did which I truly believe is correct

It's too bad, but I just wasn't able to attend that night. I don't think I've heard a recording either.. anyway, even bad shows fascinate me for some reason. I guess that, if you like Elvis, you'd have to like him - altogether! (y)

Thank you for clarifying that up! :D

There was a pattern, most notably present from 1973 on, that the summer months were getting increasingly difficult for him to cope with.

[TotallyInsane]

(
Very neat story Gail, so do you remember Joe talking to you anymore other than giving you the red shirt?

Brad,
No, actually all I remember was the red shirt and him telling me Elvis wanted him to bring the scarf to me. Actually, I talked to Sam Thompson in Memphis in 2007. He did remember the incident. He said there was a Houston policeman there that was assigned to Elvis by the name of Happy (forgot the last name he said). He said that as they were leaving Elvis asked Happy to find out how I was doing. Actually I find it kinda hard to believe that Elvis would have even remembered but I didn't argue with Sam. If Elvis was concerned about me then I would happily accept that statement. (y)(y)

[Diane]

Hey, watch it buddy!!! :D:D

I'd be willing to lay odds it wasn't the first time you bumped your head nor the last with all the adventures you got into.(y):lol::lol::lol:

Diane

[Teddy]

If Elvis was concerned about me then I would happily accept that statement. (y)(y)

Hey, it's well worth getting the concussion to be able to say that!! :lol:(y)(y)(y)

[Unchained Melody]

(

Brad,
No, actually all I remember was the red shirt and him telling me Elvis wanted him to bring the scarf to me. Actually, I talked to Sam Thompson in Memphis in 2007. He did remember the incident. He said there was a Houston policeman there that was assigned to Elvis by the name of Happy (forgot the last name he said). He said that as they were leaving Elvis asked Happy to find out how I was doing. Actually I find it kinda hard to believe that Elvis would have even remembered but I didn't argue with Sam. If Elvis was concerned about me then I would happily accept that statement. (y)(y)

I bet you would :)(y)(y)(y)
Awesome stuff !

[Brian]

Seriously, do you really believe a grainy photo of Elvis showing a gesture that could or could not be the 'Bird' is quote "Obscene" IMO that is a bit of an overreaction! I find it difficult to believe that kids of the age who would be offended at such a photo would be on here without their parents guiding them.

it's quite clear from the photo Elvis is giving the middle fingle

children do things when there parents aren't around.
parent can't be with children 24 hours a day

by definition giving the middle finger is an obscene hand gesture.
if it's young children and there are some among Elvis fanbase they shouldn't see a photo like that.

[Unchained Melody]

it's quite clear from the photo Elvis is giving the middle fingle

children do things when there parents aren't around.
parent can't be with children 24 hours a day

by definition giving the middle finger is an obscene hand gesture.
if it's young children and there are some among Elvis fanbase they shouldn't see a photo like that.

You can't be serious can you, getting this upset if so, ask one of the moderators to delete it because YOU think it may offend someone.
:blink::blink::blink::blink:

Nevermind I deleted the photo Brian. Now hopefully that will be the end, so the next thread I start, please don't come in and behave like that its really pointless man...

[elvislady]

An obscene photograph

little kids visit this site and if they saw this it would be very bad.

Brian are you sure your a elvis fan?

elvislady:hmm:

[TotallyInsane]

it's quite clear from the photo Elvis is giving the middle fingle

children do things when there parents aren't around.
parent can't be with children 24 hours a day

by definition giving the middle finger is an obscene hand gesture.
if it's young children and there are some among Elvis fanbase they shouldn't see a photo like that.

Actually Brian - it's not quite clear. This is one that's "quite clear". And look, it's a little girl.

[elvislady]

Actually Brian - it's not quite clear. This is one that's "quite clear". And look, it's a little girl.

she does it better than elvis! :lmfao::lmfao:

elvislady

[kathy parkinson]

Brian are you sure your a elvis fan?

elvislady:hmm: Careful with your Elvis pic Jeanette, he's sticking his tongue out.:lmfao:

[Tommy]

This is getting a little silly don't you think. Also please stay on topic.

[elvislady]

Careful with your Elvis pic Jeanette, he's sticking his tongue out.:lmfao:

pmsl! kathy.... better watch out brian,s about!



You wont get younger than this little one she is a fast learner!

[Tommy]

I repeat please stay on topic.

[EnigmaticSun]

Can somebody please bring in Johnny Cash?

[midnight]

We were at the rail on the first upper balcony - probably 6 feet up. He came over to that side to throw scarves and I was leaning over reaching out. All these girls came rushing down and over I went. Knocked out cold. Linda and Jackie came over there and stayed with me til paramedics got there. They carried me to this room back behind the stage. They kept waking me up. I remember at one point - this big red shirt right in front of me. It was Joe Esposito and he said "Elvis wanted me to bring this to you". He picked up my neck and put the scarf around my neck. They found my mother who came to the room to get me. We went back to our seats. We later realized had we stood there behind the stage - that was exactly where he would have walked through...been bummed about that for years. The people at the stadium told her she needed to take me to the ER to get checked out but I didn't want to leave until after the show. So, we went to the ER after the show. Now, you all know what's wrong with me!! :D:D

Just when I think I have heard your best story.... you come up with another winner!(y) What wonderful adventures you have had, even if it does involve a crack to the head. You knew exactly how to get Elvis' attention.:lol:
Keep the stories coming. We love them!

[Brian]

Actually Brian - it's not quite clear. This is one that's "quite clear". And look, it's a little girl.

It is it's what it looks like to me

The little girl learned those obscene hand gestures from seeing photo's like Elvis.

and TotallyInsane it doesn't mean that you should post more obscene photo's.

[TotallyInsane]

It is it's what it looks like to me

The little girl learned those obscene hand gestures from seeing photo's like Elvis.

and TotallyInsane it doesn't mean that you should post more obscene photo's.

Well, good lord!!!!

[elvislady]

It is it's what it looks like to me

The little girl learned those obscene hand gestures from seeing photo's like Elvis.

and TotallyInsane it doesn't mean that you should post more obscene photo's.

Brian with respect, you have lost the plot!

elvislady :lmfao:

[midnight]

Well, good lord!!!!

I have heard the saying somewhere before!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

Back to the topic at hand :lmfao:

As anyone ever heard or seen a recording from 8/28/76 Houston show, even if its just a audience recording :hmm:

[elvislady]

Back to the topic at hand :lmfao:

As anyone ever heard or seen a recording from 8/28/76 Houston show, even if its just a audience recording :hmm:

this is about elvis giving the finger to the crowd thread... was he doing it in this show. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

elvislady

[Unchained Melody]

this is about elvis giving the finger to the crowd thread... was he doing it in this show. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

elvislady

Yeah the photo was from August 28th 1976 in Houston, Gail was there, its in the thread ;):blush::blush:(y)

[The King's Queen]

That's the truth and who can prove that that wasn't just the way Elvis was holding his hand with no obscene gesture intended??????? What something looks like ain't always what is seems................:blink:

Diane

http://smiley.net.ru/lovhug007.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/lovhug1.htm)Great reply Diane...as always!


I completely agree (y)(y)(y)
Hence my recent activity on the Pregnant Cilla thread! :lol:

http://smiley.net.ru/emosur024.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emosur1.htm) Whoever would you be referring to Bear??? :P:P

[SleepyJack]

Hope nobody starts posting any videos of those disgusting gyrations on here..... I mean good Lord...what if somebody fainted and bumped their heads on something. I can see why some things might seem a bit obscene...back in 1954.... but this is 2009...there`s very little left that anybody gets shocked by.:):):)

[Unchained Melody]

I can see why some things might seem a bit obscene...back in 1954.... but this is 2009...there`s very little left that anybody gets shocked by.:):):)

FOR REAL!:lol:(y)

[SleepyJack]

FOR REAL!:lol:(y)

Amen brother!:):):)

[The King's Queen]

It is it's what it looks like to me

The little girl learned those obscene hand gestures from seeing photo's like Elvis.

and TotallyInsane it doesn't mean that you should post more obscene photo's.



http://smiley.net.ru/talthi006.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/talthi1.htm)Gee whiz...kids these days don't have to imitate Elvis...all they have to do in most cases is attend school and they will learn more than they need to know!

[Brian]

Hope nobody starts posting any videos of those disgusting gyrations on here..... I mean good Lord...what if somebody fainted and bumped their heads on something. I can see why some things might seem a bit obscene...back in 1954.... but this is 2009...there`s very little left that anybody gets shocked by.:):):)

I think you miss the point

in this day and age obscene hand gestures are still considered bad.

[JDD]

Hilarious stuff in this thread! LOL 5 year olds with registered accounts .

Anyone that really watched Elvis over the years knows he wasn't any angel, contrary to popular belief he did sometimes drink, smoke and curse and we all know what brought on the end. Just listen to some of the rants he made on the DVD "Elvis on Elvis" where he's rambling on for five minutes about how someone accused him of being strung out, full of profanity and he did that to a live audience, flipping someone the bird would be nothing compared to that. Doesn't shock me at all seeing a photo like that.

[Brian]

http://smiley.net.ru/talthi006.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/talthi1.htm)Gee whiz...kids these days don't have to imitate Elvis...all they have to do in most cases is attend school and they will learn more than they need to know!



The photo could introduce children to the middle finger
say 5 or 6 year olds

I know children learn these gestures from other places besides Elvis.

[Brian]

Back to the topic at hand :lmfao:

As anyone ever heard or seen a recording from 8/28/76 Houston show, even if its just a audience recording :hmm:


Yes, most of Elvis shows have turned up on bootleg.

[The King's Queen]

The photo could introduce children to the middle finger
say 5 or 6 year olds

I know children learn these gestures from other places besides Elvis.

With all due respect Brian, kids of that age shouldn't be allowed to be online without supervision to begin with. Parents must take some responsibility. Unfortunately, even the best parenting skills cannot prevent our children from the ugliness of the real world....;)

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, most of Elvis shows have turned up on bootleg.

Actually most audience recordings are on CDR's, not original bootlegs.

But this one hasn't as far as I can tell from Cisco's site, and Elvisconcerts.com and others aswell. Be great if Straight Arrow could find a tape of it and release it like they did with Chaos in COllege Park, maybe put another myth to rest or maybe not.

[Brian]

Actually most audience recordings are on CDR's, not original bootlegs.

But this one hasn't as far as I can tell from Cisco's site, and Elvisconcerts.com and others aswell. Be great if Straight Arrow could find a tape of it and release it like they did with Chaos in COllege Park, maybe put another myth to rest or maybe not.

those things are all bootlegs to me

anything not officially released by Elvis label is a bootleg.

I don't know the technical terminology for all these things

Those sites are wrong Houston 76 is out there.

[Unchained Melody]

Those sites are wrong Houston 76 is out there.

Source please?

[Diane]

Careful with your Elvis pic Jeanette, he's sticking his tongue out.:lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Diane

[franny]

Yes folks that looks to be exactly what he is doing
this photo posted already by Robert at fecc is taken from August 28th 1976 Houston texas.

Brad, where's the pic? :lol: :P

franny

[hounddog]

exactly Franny, i can't find the pic. Was it taken down?

[presley31]

Brad, where's the pic? :lol: :P

franny

Brad took it down cause brian said children could be seeing it :supriced::lol::lol::lol:

[Unchained Melody]

Brad took it down cause brian said children could be seeing it :supriced::lol::lol::lol:

Yeah I was getting annoyed at the comments made by certain individual so i took it down...:blush:

[Brian]

Source please?

myself

you'll come to learn I am the most reliable.

[Brian]

With all due respect Brian, kids of that age shouldn't be allowed to be online without supervision to begin with. Parents must take some responsibility. Unfortunately, even the best parenting skills cannot prevent our children from the ugliness of the real world....;)

Well they should try real hard.

some children are on the internet at the age because their parents don't pay attention.

[TotallyInsane]

Well they should try real hard.

some children are on the internet at the age because their parents don't pay attention.

I don't know maybe it's just me or something but I don't think there are many 5 year olds that are gonna find TCB-World much less know how to sign up as a user and surf these threads.

[shelley.m.]

Where is this picture of Elvis giving the crowd the finger?

[presley31]

Where is this picture of Elvis giving the crowd the finger?

It was taken down shelly.

[shelley.m.]

Thanks for the info,Jen.

[rickb]

Censorship???
Not really called for, I should think. It is quite likely a `freak' photo which caught Elvis' hand in an unusual situation.
No reason to delete it
rick

[shelley.m.]

I guess it's no worse then Elvis telling some guy in the audience to F-off.

[franny]

Brad took it down cause brian said children could be seeing it :supriced::lol::lol::lol:

Thanks, Jen. :lol:

franny

[Getlo]

it's quite clear from the photo Elvis is giving the middle fingle.

The middle what now? ;)


As far as the worst show Elvis did, my vote would have to go to the Omaha, NE June 19, 1977 show filmed for "Elvis In Concert".

Certainly the worst of the officially released shows, yes. But there are many worse ones out there IMO, TT.

Many.

[TCB4ELVIS]

where's the picture?

[Unchained Melody]

The middle what now? ;)

You caught that aswell Getlo :blush:

Certainly the worst of the officially released shows, yes. But there are many worse ones out there IMO, TT.

Many.

Couldn't agree more. October 5th 1974 Matinee show, in Indianapolis, September 28-29thth College Park....just a few.

[Brian]

The middle what now? ;)

.[/B]


It was a typo I meant middle finger

I know you never make typo's but still.

[franny]

I'm still waiting for the pic to be posted :lol:
I would like to see it. (y)

Thanks, franny

[TCB4ELVIS]

I'm still waiting for the pic to be posted :lol:
I would like to see it. (y)

Thanks, franny

I'm waiting too, what's the big deal. Elvis sometimes had hecklers at his shows so he probably meant it them.

[Lonniebealestreet]

For those of you who might not have noticed, the original poster of the photo edited his own post to remove it; it was not taken down by a moderator.

Even though we are a bunch of tightwads. Kidding!

I must concede that the photo does not unquestionably capture Elvis gesturing in the manner most of us are assuming. (It's not like that great Johhny Cash picture...you know the one.) If it does, I agree with those of you who have said that it would not be the most offensive thing he said or did to an audience.

Omaha was not the worst, agreed.

[Unchained Melody]

Due to high demand i will put it back up im getting pm's :lol::blush:

[Brian]

The 5 year olds of the world have just had their minds corrupted.

[Unchained Melody]

The 5 year olds of the world have just had their minds corrupted.

It was bound to happen:lol:

[TotallyInsane]

I was showing houses today with a woman and 2 little kids. The little boy is 3. He and I were walking down the hallway and he kept saying a little word clear as day. We reached the master bedroom and I said "what are you saying" and he bowed his little head. I said "are you saying what I think you're saying" and his reply was "yep"! So, by that I assume by the time he's 5 he will have already used this little hand gesture!! And, no, he's not an Elvis fan - he likes Star Wars.

[SweetCaroline]

Due to high demand i will put it back up im getting pm's :lol::blush:

LOL...Thanks....I felt like I was missing all the fun. :lol::lol::lol:

As soon as I read the picture was from HOUSTON I knew Gail would come in and give things some clarity.

Overall the thread itself is a hoot. :lol: I give it a 10. :lol::lol::lol:

[hounddog]

thanks for reposting the pic.

[TotallyInsane]

LOL...Thanks....I felt like I was missing all the fun. :lol::lol::lol:

As soon as I read the picture was from HOUSTON I knew Gail would come in and give things some clarity.

Overall the thread itself is a hoot. :lol: I give it a 10. :lol::lol::lol:

It is pretty comical, isn't it?

[SweetCaroline]

It is pretty comical, isn't it?

It sure is.....:lol::lol::lol:

ELVIS was pretty expressive with his hands for sure :D:D:D

Now I am getting paranoid and checking out my avatar...

Is he or isn't he....:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: ;)

[Brian]

I was showing houses today with a woman and 2 little kids. The little boy is 3. He and I were walking down the hallway and he kept saying a little word clear as day. We reached the master bedroom and I said "what are you saying" and he bowed his little head. I said "are you saying what I think you're saying" and his reply was "yep"! So, by that I assume by the time he's 5 he will have already used this little hand gesture!! And, no, he's not an Elvis fan - he likes Star Wars.

I always thought the movie Return of the Jedi was dirty in some ways.

[EnigmaticSun]

The middle what now? ;)

It's what you get if Chinese try to talk English..

Do you have elections in China?

No disrespect to Chinese members on TCB-world.. it's harder for us to learn Chinese I suppose! (y)

[Brian]

It's what you get if Chinese try to talk English..

Do you have elections in China?

No disrespect to Chinese members on TCB-world.. it's harder for us to learn Chinese I suppose! (y)

I am not chinese

Getlo isn't chinese either he's from Australia.

[May]

The middle what now? ;)



Certainly the worst of the officially released shows, yes. But there are many worse ones out there IMO, TT.

Many.

I actually quite like that! New word = fingle! :lmfao:

[Getlo]

I assume by the time he's 5 he will have already used this little hand gesture!! And, no, he's not an Elvis fan - he likes Star Wars.

After my first day of kindergarten in 1972, I came home and asked, "Mummy, what does f*** mean?", and I turned out fine. ;)


Getlo isn't chinese either he's from Australia.

I am from Australia, yes, but how do you know I'm not Chinese? We do have more than white Anglos down here, you know.


I always thought the movie Return of the Jedi was dirty in some ways.

It wasn't dirty, it just sucked. As soon as Lucas let loose the Ewoks, he lost me. However, Princess Leia in that outfit chained up to Jabba The Hut almost made up for it.

[The King's Queen]

I don't know maybe it's just me or something but I don't think there are many 5 year olds that are gonna find TCB-World much less know how to sign up as a user and surf these threads.

Amen Gail...I'm with you! (y)(y)(y)


I'm still waiting for the pic to be posted :lol:
I would like to see it.

Thanks, franny

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:I was waiting too Franny...guess we wanted to get a bit more corrupted ourselves, huh?! lol.;)


It was bound to happen

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


It sure is.....:lol::lol::lol:

ELVIS was pretty expressive with his hands for sure

Now I am getting paranoid and checking out my avatar...

Is he or isn't he....

HE IS CAROLE! lol. You'd better take it down right now or else more 5 year olds will grow up to be like our resident SP! :supriced::blink:;):lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

I never thought "giving the finger" could be so much fun!!! This is one of my favorite threads!:lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

I am with 5 year olds all day long and believe you me "giving the finger" is only mild compared to some of the things I have seen and heard some of these babies say. I have been shocked so often. However it is not from the computer that most of these kids get their information but their parents!:supriced:

[The King's Queen]

I am with 5 year olds all day long and believe you me "giving the finger" is only mild compared to some of the things I have seen and heard some of these babies say. I have been shocked so often. However it is not from the computer that most of these kids get their information but their parents!:supriced:

How true, how true!!! (y)(y)(y)

[Junebug]

Thanks for re-posting the photo, Col Jon Burrows. :D

I made a special trip to see it!

Unless its something with my computer, the thumbnail is so small you have to enlarge it to 'really' see Elvis' hand. And at that, any 5 yr. old would have had to have seen the suggested gesture before laying eyes on this pic to even consider or recognize it as that! I can't see a 5 yr. old spending time with this photo beyond a passing glance, if at all. IMO, It just wouldn't hold their attention.



The 5 year olds of the world have just had their minds corrupted.

You'll be okay.


:D

[Diane]

I am with 5 year olds all day long and believe you me "giving the finger" is only mild compared to some of the things I have seen and heard some of these babies say. I have been shocked so often. However it is not from the computer that most of these kids get their information but their parents!:supriced:

(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[TCB4ELVIS]

Due to high demand i will put it back up im getting pm's :lol::blush:

it doesn't look like he's flipping someone off and even if he was, it would be funny cause, I'd like to know what provoked it. What was Elvis' breaking point to drop the "clean cut image"..lol

[Sonny]

If that picture was bigger, please repost it Brad... What is it with some people?

[Junebug]

Sonny -

If you would like, you can click on the photo thumbnail for a larger version of the image.

It will provide a better of view of the hand and fingle in question!


:D :D :D

[EnigmaticSun]

Today I read an article about a police officer in Germany who actually arrested a 5yo old.. part of it was to be explained by the offensive gesture discussed above. So the lawyer of the devil can now sue TCB-members for making this possible.. :supriced:

[Unchained Melody]

I never thought "giving the finger" could be so much fun!!! This is one of my favorite threads!:lmfao::lmfao:

I'm glad your enjoying it lmao :lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

Thanks for re-posting the photo, Col Jon Burrows. :D

I made a special trip to see it!
:D

Your welcome!(y)

[Lisarose]

Gail! Love the story, tell us more! Did that make the
Chronicle? Do you have a newspaper clipping to go along with it?
(I'm assuming the Badfinger photo has been
removed to protect the innocent)

[Lisarose]

Due to high demand i will put it back up im getting pm's :lol::blush:

Oh, there it is, no I wouldn't swear it was the Badfinger!

[elvislady]

I am with 5 year olds all day long and believe you me "giving the finger" is only mild compared to some of the things I have seen and heard some of these babies say. I have been shocked so often. However it is not from the computer that most of these kids get their information but their parents!:supriced:

I have wordked with 3 to 5 year olds and what comes out of there mouth is enough never mind the finger!

elvislady

[Unchained Melody]

Oh, there it is, no I wouldn't swear it was the Badfinger!

I wouldn't either, there was times Elvis would talk to the audience and move his hands alot so I think it just caught it in an akward moment.

[Sonny]

Nobody can sue nobody for an Elvis picture, trust me... If this would be the case, we would direct em to some sites that show much worse...

So on topic please now, and no more nonsense about abuse, or whatever.

Like Brad stated above, and I believe Getlo earlier, this picture is just an akward, funny moment caught on photo.
It probably is part of his movements during I Got Woman/Amen.

[Tony Trout]

Yes, most of Elvis shows have turned up on bootleg.


Wrong. There are many shows out there that are not on CDs.




Actually most audience recordings are on CDR's, not original bootlegs.

But this one hasn't as far as I can tell from Cisco's site, and Elvisconcerts.com and others aswell. Be great if Straight Arrow could find a tape of it and release it like they did with Chaos in COllege Park, maybe put another myth to rest or maybe not.


You are correct, Brad.




those things are all bootlegs to me

anything not officially released by Elvis label is a bootleg.

I don't know the technical terminology for all these things

Those sites are wrong Houston 76 is out there.


If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"




Source please?


myself

you'll come to learn I am the most reliable.


Oh, come on, Brian! Like I said before: If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"

[Unchained Melody]

Wrong. There are many shows out there that are not on CDs.






You are correct, Brad.






If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"








Oh, come on, Brian! Like I said before: If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"

Well put Tony!(y)

[Brian]

Wrong. There are many shows out there that are not on CDs.






You are correct, Brad.






If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"








Oh, come on, Brian! Like I said before: If it's out there then would you please provide us with a source? Otherwise, don't say you know it's true unless you can back it up with the facts.

The fact is: "The Houston 8/28/76 show has not surfaced at all in 33 years!"

Tony,

I didn't say all shows were on bootleg most are

you have know where to look.

you are wrong again but I still like you.


Bradley just asked me if I heard of it which I have.

If I were to tell you where it is or where you can find it that might be illegal.

You are making an awful lot of assumptions.

[Unchained Melody]

If I were to tell you where it is or where you can find it that might be illegal.


If you say something like that, saying a show that is not been released is you should expect to be asked from what source. jmo!(y)(y)

[Brian]

If you say something like that, saying a show that is not been released is you should expect to be asked from what source. jmo!(y)(y)

I am not going to be fined or possibly jailed.

telling you it's out there isn't a crime though.

leave it to Brian to find a loophole.

You keep saying it hasn't been released what you need to do is know where to look.
you have to travel in the right circles.

Bradley do you collect bootlegs and CDR's?

[Unchained Melody]

I am not going to be fined or possibly jailed.

telling you it's out there isn't a crime though.

leave it to Brian to find a loophole.

You keep saying it hasn't been released what you need to do is know where to look.
you have to travel in the right circles.

Bradley do you collect bootlegs and CDR's?

CDr's are bootlegs, isn't that what you said :hmm:
If so then yes. I collect 'em.

[Brian]

CDr's are bootlegs, isn't that what you said :hmm:
If so then yes. I collect 'em.

Yes, I'm just trying to learn the new lingo.

how many do you have?

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, I'm just trying to learn the new lingo.

how many do you have?

Well over 900, why do you ask:hmm:

[Brian]

Well over 900, why do you ask:hmm:

I was just curious.

[LovePresley]

If he was "shooting a bird",someone really must have deserved it..;)
although,I do think it was just a hand gesture,and I think the camera just got a pic at a weird moment..

[Unchained Melody]

If he was "shooting a bird",someone really must have deserved it..;)
although,I do think it was just a hand gesture,and I think the camera just got a pic at a weird moment..

Yeah thats what I'm thinking aswell...

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

A child would have to know what flipping the bird meant before they could be offended or learn new hand gestures! This is just a plain old knee jerk reaction from a right wing point of view. Kids see far worse behaviour on the Simpsons or Tom & Jerry. If you think that picture is offensive you seriously need to take a chill pill :blink:

Anyway there is little doubt what this picture means..

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Johnny_Cash_Finger_Black_Shirt.jpg

[Merry]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Good morning, Matt :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[franny]

Due to high demand i will put it back up im getting pm's :lol::blush:

Thanks, for posting the pic Brad. :notworthy
I will make sure my niece doesn't see it :lol: :P

franny

[Unchained Melody]

That is the one i was looking for of JC. I was going to post it but was scared of the reaction would be then LOL :D Nice one Matt

[KPM]

A child would have to know what flipping the bird meant before they could be offended or learn new hand gestures! This is just a plain old knee jerk reaction from a right wing point of view. Kids see far worse behaviour on the Simpsons or Tom & Jerry. If you think that picture is offensive you seriously need to take a chill pill :blink:

Anyway there is little doubt what this picture means..

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Johnny_Cash_Finger_Black_Shirt.jpg
I think in 2009 the kids who do not know of such things are the minority.
To paraphrase Elvis-"I'm tame compared to what they do today"

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I think in 2009 the kids who do not know of such things are the minority.
To paraphrase Elvis-"I'm tame compared to what they do today"

100% correct ken, even if kids do flip the bird I very much doubt they understand it's true meaning. If people are truly shocked by the Elvis picture the really have lived a very sheltered life.

http://www.myadultimages.com/images/emoticons/funny/give-the-finger.gif

[Unchained Melody]

http://www.myadultimages.com/images/emoticons/funny/give-the-finger.gif

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[artfromtex]

could someone re-post this pic for me. i'd love to see it! if it's big enough i'd like to make a wallpaper of it and share it with you.

[Lonniebealestreet]

I'm not sure which is cooler about the Johnny Cash photo: the story behind why he did that at that moment in 1969 (http://www.penmachine.com/musicpages/greatestphoto.html) or how it was utilized over 30 years later in a full-page magazine ad, which included the statement:

American Recordings and Johnny Cash would like to acknowledge the Nashville music establishment and country radio for your support.

:lmfao:

[Getlo]

For those of you that may not know, that symbol is meant to symbolise a certain part of the male anatomy ... ;)

Not sure why Americans call it flipping the bird though.

And if ever you've wanted to see a collection of celebrities giving the finger - and, let's face it, who hasn't! - check out this website:

http://www.ooze.com/finger/html/random_famous.html

Ah, the internet - it's not just for porn any more! :lol:

[Brian]

A child would have to know what flipping the bird meant before they could be offended or learn new hand gestures! This is just a plain old knee jerk reaction from a right wing point of view. Kids see far worse behaviour on the Simpsons or Tom & Jerry. If you think that picture is offensive you seriously need to take a chill pill :blink:





Just because I have some conservative opinions about some things it gets dismissed as a plain old knee jerk reaction right wing point of view.

I'm just trying to look out for the children of the world

If you have a liberal point of view about these things that's fine and dandy but one thing i've noticed about this site is that it appears to be quite conservative compared to other message boards you can't even say minor bad words like the D word or the HH word it gets censored completely.

and whats with this is Elvis giving the middle finger or isn't he to me it's very clear that he is the only difference between the Elvis picture and the Cash one is that that picture is bigger and Cash seems more aggressive.

[Sonny]

Flipping the bird puzzles me as well Getlo :D

The only time I flip a bird is when it needs to be turned over in the frying pan. :lmfao:

[Lonniebealestreet]

and whats with this is Elvis giving the middle finger or isn't he to me it's very clear that he is the only difference between the Elvis picture and the Cash one is that that picture is bigger and Cash seems more aggressive.

If it is what Elvis is doing, clearly there is a considerable difference of setting and purpose.

[Brian]

If it is what Elvis is doing, clearly there is a considerable difference of setting and purpose.

I take it Elvis is flipping someone off in the audience.

[Jungleroom76]

Ah, the internet - it's not just for porn any more! :lol:

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: (y)

TCB!
Mike

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Brian, I can accept that there are conservatives and Liberals in the world, but for heavens sake flipping the bird especially the Elvis picture is a minor indiscretion compared to the Cash photo, to compare the two isn't even in the same league. To my mind the Elvis photo no-one is 100% sure of it's intent as the picture could have been taken mid movement whereas the Cash photo there is no doubt.

To jump on this photo without giving a thought as to it's original context just shows a knee jerk reaction to a post by someone you have already expressed disdain, correct me if I'm wrong but it seemed you were more aggrieved with the poster not the posted :hmm:

[Brian]

Brian, I can accept that there are conservatives and Liberals in the world, but for heavens sake flipping the bird especially the Elvis picture is a minor indiscretion compared to the Cash photo, to compare the two isn't even in the same league. To my mind the Elvis photo no-one is 100% sure of it's intent as the picture could have been taken mid movement whereas the Cash photo there is no doubt.

To jump on this photo without giving a thought as to it's original context just shows a knee jerk reaction to a post by someone you have already expressed disdain, correct me if I'm wrong but it seemed you were more aggrieved with the poster not the posted :hmm:

again what is with this is Elvis giving the middle finger or he's not giving the middle finger.
He clearly is
Are you trying to justify Elvis bad behavior by comparing it to Johnny Cash?
They are both flipping someone off.

I got nothing against Bradley.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

again what is with this is Elvis giving the middle finger or he's not giving the middle finger.
He clearly is
Are you trying to justify Elvis bad behavior by comparing it to Johnny Cash?
They are both flipping someone off.

I got nothing against Bradley.

OK, if you say so..

[KPM]

Just because I have some conservative opinions about some things it gets dismissed as a plain old knee jerk reaction right wing point of view.

I'm just trying to look out for the children of the world

If you have a liberal point of view about these things that's fine and dandy but one thing i've noticed about this site is that it appears to be quite conservative compared to other message boards you can't even say minor bad words like the D word or the HH word it gets censored completely.

and whats with this is Elvis giving the middle finger or isn't he to me it's very clear that he is the only difference between the Elvis picture and the Cash one is that that picture is bigger and Cash seems more aggressive.
Actually Brian aren't you taking this way to seriously?
Have you ever given anyone the finger-in a moment of frustration or anger?
I realise we are not suppose to set bad examples-no one is saying anyone should-but in the realm of todays world of drive by shootings, people shooting at others in cars because they were cut off in traffic, 12 years olds gang raping an 8 year old, etc....this is really not the major worry of most people who are raising their kids. My kids when they were young saw me give the finger to people usually in a moment of frustration in traffic-they have become good fine adults who know its not the right thing to do....but....realise it happens.
I do not think that a photo of Elvis, Cash, or George Bush giving someone the bird (and I have seen the photo) is going to be the instrument which takes kids down the wrong path for the rest of their life. If you raise kids properly "they see how life is and realise all make bad judgements in life of differing levels of consequence" but that is life.
I wish people were more courteous and were more aware in traffic of obeying the law.
I wish people did not want to argue, fight, and raise a ruckus over little things,(myself included) but it happens.
Finger waving is the least of my worries for kids of today.

YouTube - Bush flipping the bird

[Brian]

Actually Brian aren't you taking this way to seriously?
Have you ever given anyone the finger-in a moment of frustration or anger?
I realise we are not suppose to set bad examples-no one is saying anyone should-but in the realm of todays world of drive by shootings, people shooting at others in cars because they were cut off in traffic, 12 years olds gang raping an 8 year old, etc....this is really not the major worry of most people who are raising their kids. My kids when they were young saw me give the finger to people usually in a moment of frustration in traffic-they have become good fine adults who know its not the right thing to do....but....realise it happens.
I do not think that a photo of Elvis, Cash, or George Bush giving someone the bird (and I have seen the photo) is going to be the instrument which takes kids down the wrong path for the rest of their life. If you raise kids properly "they see how life is and realise all make bad judgements in life of differing levels of consequence" but that is life.
I wish people were more courteous and were more aware in traffic of obeying the law.
I wish people did not want to argue, fight, and raise a ruckus over little things,(myself included) but it happens.
Finger waving is the least of my worries for kids of today.

No, I don't so

I think it's a bad thing for kids to be seeing and doing even though it's not as bad as some of the things you mentioned it's still bad thing.

I can honestly say i've never flipped anyone off.

[Brian]

OK, if you say so..

If he's not flipping someone off what do you think he's doing then?

getting ready to pick his nose with his middle finger?

[Jungleroom76]

Actually Brian aren't you taking this way to seriously?
Have you ever given anyone the finger-in a moment of frustration or anger?
I realise we are not suppose to set bad examples-no one is saying anyone should-but in the realm of todays world of drive by shootings, people shooting at others in cars because they were cut off in traffic, 12 years olds gang raping an 8 year old, etc....this is really not the major worry of most people who are raising their kids. My kids when they were young saw me give the finger to people usually in a moment of frustration in traffic-they have become good fine adults who know its not the right thing to do....but....realise it happens.
I do not think that a photo of Elvis, Cash, or George Bush giving someone the bird (and I have seen the photo) is going to be the instrument which takes kids down the wrong path for the rest of their life. If you raise kids properly "they see how life is and realise all make bad judgements in life of differing levels of consequence" but that is life.
I wish people were more courteous and were more aware in traffic of obeying the law.
I wish people did not want to argue, fight, and raise a ruckus over little things,(myself included) but it happens.
Finger waving is the least of my worries for kids of today.

Well said Ken!!! :notworthy

I have 3 children and believe me, there are MANY more serious things to be worried about then if one of my kids happens to walk by my computer and see the picture of Elvis flipping someone off. There have been MANY times when I've been listening to Elvis' outtakes and he utters one of his more colorful phrases, while my kids have been in the area and they don't even pay attention to it...so I really don't think these things rank up there on the high priority list of concerns I have for my children...

...I think I'll be more concerned about who is moving into the apartment house across the street from my house... :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

[KPM]

No, I don't so

I think it's a bad thing for kids to be seeing and doing even though it's not as bad as some of the things you mentioned it's still bad thing.

I can honestly say i've never flipped anyone off.
Well Brian I am a pretty stand up guy-I pay my taxes (even on money I am paid in cash), I have only had one speeding ticket in 54 years, I do not cheat at cards, I do not lie, I try and live as good a clean life as I can, I have had problems in the past with prescription meds, and alcohol,(but been under control for 20 something years) but I will admit that I have given the finger many times in my life and probably frustrating moments in bad traffic with people behind the wheel texting and using their cell phones, or using their cell phones, eating a cheeseburger, and smoking (all at the same time) I am going to resort to using that same horrid gesture. I do not think that makes me evil or a bad person-it makes me human.;)

[KPM]

Well said Ken!!! :notworthy

I have 3 children and believe me, there are MANY more serious things to be worried about then if one of my kids happens to walk by my computer and see the picture of Elvis flipping someone off. There have been MANY times when I've been listening to Elvis' outtakes and he utters one of his more colorful phrases, while my kids have been in the area and they don't even pay attention to it...so I really don't think these things rank up there on the high priority list of concerns I have for my children...

...I think I'll be more concerned about who is moving into the apartment house across the street from my house... :hmm:

TCB!
Mike
Yes that is a worry for me as well-my area use to be pretty calm and quiet-but in the last 10 years we have had many homes sold and turned into rental property-and the area is becoming louder, more police visits on the street, more worry and tension in the air-I know what you are saying.(y)

[Unchained Melody]

if you dont like the thread and dont like seeing it why bother coming back and back again to it, I mean seriously Brian

[Brian]

if you dont like the thread and dont like seeing it why bother coming back and back again to it, I mean seriously Brian

2 reasons

1. I'm trying to help you and your thread.

2. people have been asking me questions about my thoughts about the picture or commenting on my thoughts about it and it would be rude not to answer a question someone asks.

[Brian]

Well Brian I am a pretty stand up guy-I pay my taxes (even on money I am paid in cash), I have only had one speeding ticket in 54 years, I do not cheat at cards, I do not lie, I try and live as good a clean life as I can, I have had problems in the past with prescription meds, and alcohol,(but been under control for 20 something years) but I will admit that I have given the finger many times in my life and probably frustrating moments in bad traffic with people behind the wheel texting and using their cell phones, or using their cell phones, eating a cheeseburger, and smoking (all at the same time) I am going to resort to using that same horrid gesture. I do not think that makes me evil or a bad person-it makes me human.;)

I don't think it makes you a bad person it's just something little kids shouldn't see imo.

[TotallyInsane]

No, I don't so

I think it's a bad thing for kids to be seeing and doing even though it's not as bad as some of the things you mentioned it's still bad thing.

I can honestly say i've never flipped anyone off.


Maybe not but something tells me you've been flipped off a few times in your life!

[Tommy]

Maybe not but something tells me you've been flipped off a few times in your life!

This sure sounds like something Rosanne would say!:lol:

[rickb]

Good to see we've reached 9 pages with this little beat-up thread.
Now Johnny Cash is really giving the finger - as for Elvis i'm still unsure

[Dekethecreep]

Id like to see a bigger picture,i cant tell

[Brian]

Maybe not but something tells me you've been flipped off a few times in your life!

No, I haven't

[SweetCaroline]

No, I haven't

Please quit being so silly about removing the picture or I may FLIP my fingle. :lol::lol::lol:

[franny]

100% correct ken, even if kids do flip the bird I very much doubt they understand it's true meaning. If people are truly shocked by the Elvis picture the really have lived a very sheltered life.

http://www.myadultimages.com/images/emoticons/funny/give-the-finger.gif

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

And thanks, for posting the Johnny Cash pic, JJ. His facial expression actually says it all! :lol:

franny

[franny]

Please quit being so silly about removing the picture or I may FLIP my fingle. :lol::lol::lol:

:lmfao: :lol: :lol:

I like that new word "fingle" :P

franny

[SweetCaroline]

:lmfao: :lol: :lol:

I like that new word "fingle" :P

franny

Me too...It doesn't beat out "TWANG"....

but it's right UP THERE. :lol: :lmfao: :lol: :lmfao: :lol:

[Diane]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: yes m'am!

Diane

[KPM]

No, I haven't
I went to return a defective VCR to a chain store in the mid 80s and got quite a bit of static from the clerk in the electronics department.
Back then they cost about $400 bucks so I expected no problems with the VCR which had occasional sound dropouts when it recorded. I finally asked for the store manager because this 18-20 year old clerk was getting smart with me-he called for the store manager and I turned my back to him just in time to see his reflection in display model turned off tv set giving me the finger. I turned sharply and caught him-and he went deep red and said he was sorry. I had to laugh because he looked like he was about to lose his lunch. When the manager showed up I told him I wanted a refund on the VCR and that the clerk did not feel he could do so (I did not mention the finger, nor how rude the clerk had been) I told the manager what was wrong and he quickly got my refund.
I just could not tell the manager the clerk had given me the finger-because he looked so whipped just by being caught.
After the manager refunded my cash I pretended to browse-but as soon as the manager was out of sight I turned and smiled at the kid and he thanked me for not telling.
But had I not had the reflection in the set I would have never known I had been given the finger-it happens.:)

[Diane]

I went to return a defective VCR to a chain store in the mid 80s and got quite a bit of static from the clerk in the electronics department.
Back then they cost about $400 bucks so I expected no problems with the VCR which had occasional sound dropouts when it recorded. I finally asked for the store manager because this 18-20 year old clerk was getting smart with me-he called for the store manager and I turned my back to him just in time to see his reflection in display model turned off tv set giving me the finger. I turned sharply and caught him-and he went deep red and said he was sorry. I had to laugh because he looked like he was about to lose his lunch. When the manager showed up I told him I wanted a refund on the VCR and that the clerk did not feel he could do so (I did not mention the finger, nor how rude the clerk had been) I told the manager what was wrong and he quickly got my refund.
I just could not tell the manager the clerk had given me the finger-because he looked so whipped just by being caught.
After the manager refunded my cash I pretended to browse-but as soon as the manager was out of sight I turned and smiled at the kid and he thanked me for not telling.
But had I not had the reflection in the set I would have never known I had been given the finger-it happens.:)

That was a very kind thing for you to do KPM and sure it's not the worse thing someone can do to you, not nice but not all that unpardonable.

Diane

[Lisarose]

I went to return a defective VCR to a chain store in the mid 80s and got quite a bit of static from the clerk in the electronics department.
Back then they cost about $400 bucks so I expected no problems with the VCR which had occasional sound dropouts when it recorded. I finally asked for the store manager because this 18-20 year old clerk was getting smart with me-he called for the store manager and I turned my back to him just in time to see his reflection in display model turned off tv set giving me the finger. I turned sharply and caught him-and he went deep red and said he was sorry. I had to laugh because he looked like he was about to lose his lunch. When the manager showed up I told him I wanted a refund on the VCR and that the clerk did not feel he could do so (I did not mention the finger, nor how rude the clerk had been) I told the manager what was wrong and he quickly got my refund.
I just could not tell the manager the clerk had given me the finger-because he looked so whipped just by being caught.
After the manager refunded my cash I pretended to browse-but as soon as the manager was out of sight I turned and smiled at the kid and he thanked me for not telling.
But had I not had the reflection in the set I would have never known I had been given the finger-it happens.:)

What a good story, and you are a kind man! I work retail, and there's many a time that I've rolled my eyes at a customer I've been waiting on -- but I always make sure I've got my back to them! It happens.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I went to return a defective VCR to a chain store in the mid 80s and got quite a bit of static from the clerk in the electronics department.
Back then they cost about $400 bucks so I expected no problems with the VCR which had occasional sound dropouts when it recorded. I finally asked for the store manager because this 18-20 year old clerk was getting smart with me-he called for the store manager and I turned my back to him just in time to see his reflection in display model turned off tv set giving me the finger. I turned sharply and caught him-and he went deep red and said he was sorry. I had to laugh because he looked like he was about to lose his lunch. When the manager showed up I told him I wanted a refund on the VCR and that the clerk did not feel he could do so (I did not mention the finger, nor how rude the clerk had been) I told the manager what was wrong and he quickly got my refund.
I just could not tell the manager the clerk had given me the finger-because he looked so whipped just by being caught.
After the manager refunded my cash I pretended to browse-but as soon as the manager was out of sight I turned and smiled at the kid and he thanked me for not telling.
But had I not had the reflection in the set I would have never known I had been given the finger-it happens.:)

Great story, I completely understand the emotion from both sides, working in retail is frustrating, buying from retail is frustrating :supriced:

[midnight]

Me too...It doesn't beat out "TWANG"....

but it's right UP THERE. :lol: :lmfao: :lol: :lmfao: :lol:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Hey Kim,
How are you and Hurricane Bill doing? Where's it at? What are your weather people saying?

[Diane]

Anytime your job requires you to handle the public it's frustrating. There were a few pet owners over the years I worked as a veterinary technician that I wanted to strangle.:mad: and the 3 years I worked at J.C. Penney's was an eye opener also.

The only time I tried to give someone the finger was when some man cut in front of me in traffic and then gave me the finger (fingle :lol:) and I couldn't get the right finger to get back at him...I gave him my index finger....sort of gives the same message though right????::blink::lol:

Diane

[KPM]

Anytime your job requires you to handle the public it's frustrating. There were a few pet owners over the years I worked as a veterinary technician that I wanted to strangle.:mad: and the 3 years I worked at J.C. Penney's was an eye opener also.

The only time I tried to give someone the finger was when some man cut in front of me in traffic and then gave me the finger (fingle :lol:) and I couldn't get the right finger to get back at him...I gave him my index finger....sort of gives the same message though right????::blink::lol:

Diane
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[The King's Queen]

A child would have to know what flipping the bird meant before they could be offended or learn new hand gestures! This is just a plain old knee jerk reaction from a right wing point of view. Kids see far worse behaviour on the Simpsons or Tom & Jerry. If you think that picture is offensive you seriously need to take a chill pill

Anyway there is little doubt what this picture means..

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Johnny_Cash_Finger_Black_Shirt.jpg

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Flipping the bird puzzles me as well Getlo

The only time I flip a bird is when it needs to be turned over in the frying pan.

:supriced:http://smiley.net.ru/emolau023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emolau1.htm)


Actually Brian aren't you taking this way to seriously?
Have you ever given anyone the finger-in a moment of frustration or anger?
I realise we are not suppose to set bad examples-no one is saying anyone should-but in the realm of todays world of drive by shootings, people shooting at others in cars because they were cut off in traffic, 12 years olds gang raping an 8 year old, etc....this is really not the major worry of most people who are raising their kids. My kids when they were young saw me give the finger to people usually in a moment of frustration in traffic-they have become good fine adults who know its not the right thing to do....but....realise it happens.
I do not think that a photo of Elvis, Cash, or George Bush giving someone the bird (and I have seen the photo) is going to be the instrument which takes kids down the wrong path for the rest of their life. If you raise kids properly "they see how life is and realise all make bad judgements in life of differing levels of consequence" but that is life.
I wish people were more courteous and were more aware in traffic of obeying the law.
I wish people did not want to argue, fight, and raise a ruckus over little things,(myself included) but it happens.
Finger waving is the least of my worries for kids of today.



TOTALLY agree! :notworthy:notworthy(y)




I have 3 children and believe me, there are MANY more serious things to be worried about then if one of my kids happens to walk by my computer and see the picture of Elvis flipping someone off. There have been MANY times when I've been listening to Elvis' outtakes and he utters one of his more colorful phrases, while my kids have been in the area and they don't even pay attention to it...so I really don't think these things rank up there on the high priority list of concerns I have for my children...

...I think I'll be more concerned about who is moving into the apartment house across the street from my house...

TCB!
Mike

:notworthy:notworthy(y):D


Please quit being so silly about removing the picture or I may FLIP my fingle.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


Anytime your job requires you to handle the public it's frustrating. There were a few pet owners over the years I worked as a veterinary technician that I wanted to strangle.:mad: and the 3 years I worked at J.C. Penney's was an eye opener also.

The only time I tried to give someone the finger was when some man cut in front of me in traffic and then gave me the finger (fingle ) and I couldn't get the right finger to get back at him...I gave him my index finger....sort of gives the same message though right????

Diane

:supriced::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[The King's Queen]

Maybe not but something tells me you've been flipped off a few times in your life!

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[donaldmccurry.63]

i wonder sometimes if fans on here are real true elvis fans so what he give the finger almost 33 years ago big deal he's still the king people forget he was a humun being just like us long live the king

[Raised on Rock]

That finger thing, he should have done that more often, not necessary as a hand sing but in attitude, towards (common place but asserted to say Col, RCA, Hollywood) but also yes: TO HIS SO CALLED FANS.

[Pacerstar]

i wonder sometimes if fans on here are real true elvis fans so what he give the finger almost 33 years ago big deal he's still the king people forget he was a humun being just like us long live the king

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[The King's Queen]

i wonder sometimes if fans on here are real true elvis fans so what he give the finger almost 33 years ago big deal he's still the king people forget he was a humun being just like us long live the king


That finger thing, he should have done that more often, not necessary as a hand sing but in attitude, towards (common place but asserted to say Col, RCA, Hollywood) but also yes: TO HIS SO CALLED FANS.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Getlo]

That finger thing, he should have done that more often, not necessary as a hand sing but in attitude, towards (common place but asserted to say Col, RCA, Hollywood) but also yes: TO HIS SO CALLED FANS.

Why, pray tell, would any of Elvis' fans deserve to be given the finger, especially by the man himself?! ;)

His fans were nothing but loyal to him.

And still are.

[franny]

Why, pray tell, would any of Elvis' fans deserve to be given the finger, especially by the man himself?! ;)

His fans were nothing but loyal to him.

And still are.

I agree, Getlo. (y)

And I thought it was "fingle" :lol:

franny

[EnigmaticSun]

His fans were nothing but loyal to him.

Well some of them are loyal in the way they persecute him.

Kids are being confronted with reality sooner or later. It's more important they understand what it is about and why it causes offense. It's no good keeping it away from them if you never ever explain what it's supposed to mean, because they are bound to found out sooner or later.

Well it's hard to set boundaries as a parent due to the evil nature of the schools kids have to attend.. now watching television - it's something you can put a limit to..

[Getlo]

Well some of them are loyal in the way they persecute him.

Kids are being confronted with reality sooner or later. It's more important they understand what it is about and why it causes offense. It's no good keeping it away from them if you never ever explain what it's supposed to mean, because they are bound to found out sooner or later.

Well it's hard to set boundaries as a parent due to the evil nature of the schools kids have to attend.. now watching television - it's something you can put a limit to..

What on earth are you on about? ;):rolleyes:

What has a "persecuting" Elvis fan got to to with the reality of children, or the evils of TV?!

I asked why some fans deserved to have the bird flipped to them by Elvis; that is all.

[Pacerstar]

Why, pray tell, would any of Elvis' fans deserve to be given the finger, especially by the man himself?! ;)

His fans were nothing but loyal to him.

And still are.

I can state that not every body who went to an Elvis concert was a fan!
I was in the audience at one show where there was a person, obviously not
a fan, who kept making heckling remarks. I don't know if Elvis could hear her;
but, other people around her including me could. And we really did not appreciate her at all. Maybe, if indeed Elvis was doing what so many think
that picture depicts, this was the case.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[EnigmaticSun]

What on earth are you on about? ;):rolleyes:

What has a "persecuting" Elvis fan got to to with the reality of children, or the evils of TV?!

I asked why some fans deserved to have the bird flipped to them by Elvis; that is all.

Oh for heaven's sake..

..I did not quite combine the different subjects the way you did. Getlo, I think it's time for you to transform from Saul to Paul. No disrespect meant, as this too is just a metaphor meant to describe going from baddy to goody. Getlo I'm afraid nobody loves you.

If fans deserve to get the fingle from Elvis, they're no fans. Simple! I bet there was the occasional weirdo who didn't come to enjoy the show.

[Brian]

I can state that not every body who went to an Elvis concert was a fan!
I was in the audience at one show where there was a person, obviously not
a fan, who kept making heckling remarks. I don't know if Elvis could hear her;
but, other people around her including me could. And we really did not appreciate her at all. Maybe, if indeed Elvis was doing what so many think
that picture depicts, this was the case.:D:D:D:D:D:D

what kind of things was she heckling him about.

[Raised on Rock]

Why, pray tell, would any of Elvis' fans deserve to be given the finger, especially by the man himself?! ;)

His fans were nothing but loyal to him.

And still are.

The big percentage of fans that became no better than the memphis mafia about their adulation, and not really being openly critical to him in a positive way, letting him indulge himself in mediocre delivering.

But most of all, the ones that loyally demanded him to do the "Hound Dog" "Love me Tender" numbers over and over, and gave a shit if the man was trying to do something different and go into something else on stage. Remember Aug '74? Their love became a burden, and he became the jester of his crowd. That's when the finger (not literally of course) was the attitude to go, he should have done what he wanted more often and not what people told him to do.

[EnigmaticSun]

That's when the finger (not literally of course) was the attitude to go, he should have done what he wanted more often and not what people told him to do.

Johnny Cash did just that.. and see how he turned out to be? Even worse! :lol:

[Brian]

But most of all, the ones that loyally demanded him to do the "Hound Dog" "Love me Tender" numbers over and over, and gave a shit if the man was trying to do something different and go into something else on stage. Remember Aug '74? Their love became a burden, and he became the jester of his crowd. That's when the finger (not literally of course) was the attitude to go, he should have done what he wanted more often and not what people told him to do.

some fans who have listened to that show have told me that the reception from the fans for that show was a lot better than what has been claimed over the years.

[debtdbruno]

Great post Raised on Rock

[Raised on Rock]

Johnny Cash did just that.. and see how he turned out to be? Even worse! :lol:

If someone still don't get it, I don't mean he should have gave the finger literally to the audience in a situation like Aug '74, but to keep on with his original idea of the show, instead of go back to the old playlist to please the fans.

Cash classic pic is another story, what I mean is more related to lets say Dylan attitude for an instance, of an artist not doing what he is supposed to do, giving the finger to the folkies and go rock and roll, giving the finger to Woodstock, and go Nashville, and so on, not caring who's gonna be pleased or not. That's the finger I'm talking about.

About that pic, well, if someone was really annoying Elvis, or he was joking around, well don't see anything wrong about that. Its not like those empty brained bluff rockers who just gave the finger to the audience because they think its cool, and the *****s on the audience get exited about it because, well no idea, they like it in the... they like to be ripped off at the cost of their ignorance.

[EnigmaticSun]

..what I mean is more related to lets say Dylan attitude for an instance, of an artist not doing what he is supposed to do, giving the finger to the folkies and go rock and roll, giving the finger to Woodstock, and go Nashville, and so on, not caring who's gonna be pleased or not. That's the finger I'm talking about.

I understand and it's a healthy attitude. I'm doing just that with today's pseudo-country pop.. if they're looking for country they came to the right place and it's old-fashioned, real and simple!

[Pacerstar]

what kind of things was she heckling him about.

She was saying things like "Elvis isn't so great". She was laughing loudly at
the wrong times and just making a nuisance of herself. The people around
her were looking daggers at her and she finally shut-up.:D:D:D:D:D:D

[May]

i wonder sometimes if fans on here are real true elvis fans so what he give the finger almost 33 years ago big deal he's still the king people forget he was a humun being just like us long live the king

Great post. (y)

Although I have to say, I dont even think that was what he was doing. He moved his arms and hands around a lot when singing!! If the camera just happened to click at the wrong time...........

[Diane]

The big percentage of fans that became no better than the memphis mafia about their adulation, and not really being openly critical to him in a positive way, letting him indulge himself in mediocre delivering.

But most of all, the ones that loyally demanded him to do the "Hound Dog" "Love me Tender" numbers over and over, and gave a shit if the man was trying to do something different and go into something else on stage. Remember Aug '74? Their love became a burden, and he became the jester of his crowd. That's when the finger (not literally of course) was the attitude to go, he should have done what he wanted more often and not what people told him to do.

I wish he had done more of what he wanted to do too. Some fans had absolutely no appreciation of the range of his talent.

Diane

[Raised on Rock]

I wish he had done more of what he wanted to do too. Some fans had absolutely no appreciation of the range of his talent.

Diane

The odds are, when he did what he pleased and not what was expected, the best happened, lets say: the How Great Thou Art album, the '68 special, American sessions or the the country sides of Nashville '70, most notably the jams.

[Diane]

The odds are, when he did what he pleased and not what was expected, the best happened, lets say: the How Great Thou Art album, the '68 special, American sessions or the the country sides of Nashville '70, most notably the jams.

Agreed but I personally witnessed some fans yelling for Hound Dog etc. and I was shocked that they could ask for those old songs after what they'd just been hearing in the early 70's. He evolved...they didn't.

Diane

[GIORGIA]

Agreed but I personally witnessed some fans yelling for Hound Dog etc. and I was shocked that they could ask for those old songs after what they'd just been hearing in the early 70's. He evolved...they didn't.

Diane
I'm totally agree with you Diane!
But Elvis was a Gentle Person,
and He had satisfy his Fans!
Because He Love Us!
But As I say before I think the same thing.

[Getlo]

..I did not quite combine the different subjects the way you did.

Your previous post is written proof that you did.



The big percentage of fans that became no better than the memphis mafia about their adulation, and not really being openly critical to him in a positive way, letting him indulge himself in mediocre delivering.

Again, so why would they have deserved the finger?


Remember Aug '74? Their love became a burden, and he became the jester of his crowd.

The jester? Hardly. The crowd loved it on opening night, despite being disappointed at the lack of greatest hits stuff. And the Vegas reviews were the best he'd had in years.

Yes, he should have continued doing different stuff. But th reason he went back to his normal delivery the following night, contrary to the myth of "bad" reviews or poor crowd reaction, is that he wanted to. He felt comfortable doing the usual stuff on the stage.

And had he continued doing different stuff, that is hardly a metaphorical "finger".


some fans who have listened to that show have told me that the reception from the fans for that show was a lot better than what has been claimed over the years.

It was. You only have to listen to the old bootleg and the new version to confirm that. And the reviews in the like of Elvis Monthly at the time ... overwhelmingly positive. New direction, blah blah blah.


Agreed but I personally witnessed some fans yelling for Hound Dog etc. and I was shocked that they could ask for those old songs after what they'd just been hearing in the early 70's. He evolved...they didn't.

That's partially true.

Every great artist, especially of Elvis' stature, must include their greatest hits in their stage repertoire. Elvis fans, like all music fans then and now, loved the old stuff better than their new stuff.

Elvis evolved on stage in the 70s, to be sure. But not fully. In the seven or so years he was touring in the later years, the format of the show never changed: opening acts, overture, on stage for 45 minutes to an hour, Can't Help Falling In Love, then off.

Take as an example The Rolling Stones. They tour every few years, and manage to supply a good, wide example of old hits while showcasing their new stuff.

Elvis' main mistake was doing too many of the old hits, especially in the final years. He did Hound Dog and Teddy Bear at basically every show, when perhaps he should have done one or the other.

Less than an hour on stage (and I don't care what anyone says, that was not long enough, even with the tickets at reasonable prices) was probably only enough time to do a show comprised of mainly the hits.

He should have been on stage for two hours or so, maybe with a break in between. Then there'd have been plenty of time to do both old and new.

[Tony Trout]

Your previous post is written proof that you did.




Again, so why would they have deserved the finger?



The jester? Hardly. The crowd loved it on opening night, despite being disappointed at the lack of greatest hits stuff. And the Vegas reviews were the best he'd had in years.

Yes, he should have continued doing different stuff. But th reason he went back to his normal delivery the following night, contrary to the myth of "bad" reviews or poor crowd reaction, is that he wanted to. He felt comfortable doing the usual stuff on the stage.

And had he continued doing different stuff, that is hardly a metaphorical "finger".



It was. You only have to listen to the old bootleg and the new version to confirm that. And the reviews in the like of Elvis Monthly at the time ... overwhelmingly positive. New direction, blah blah blah.



That's partially true.

Every great artist, especially of Elvis' stature, must include their greatest hits in their stage repertoire. Elvis fans, like all music fans then and now, loved the old stuff better than their new stuff.

Elvis evolved on stage in the 70s, to be sure. But not fully. In the seven or so years he was touring in the later years, the format of the show never changed: opening acts, overture, on stage for 45 minutes to an hour, Can't Help Falling In Love, then off.

Take as an example The Rolling Stones. They tour every few years, and manage to supply a good, wide example of old hits while showcasing their new stuff.

Elvis' main mistake was doing too many of the old hits, especially in the final years. He did Hound Dog and Teddy Bear at basically every show, when perhaps he should have done one or the other.

Less than an hour on stage (and I don't care what anyone says, that was not long enough, even with the tickets at reasonable prices) was probably only enough time to do a show comprised of mainly the hits.

He should have been on stage for two hours or so, maybe with a break in between. Then there'd have been plenty of time to do both old and new.



I agree with every point, Getlo. The Eagles are another example. They are onstage for at least three hours and they do a mix of older and newer songs - in other words they give their fans their money's worth in regards to their performances.

[Raised on Rock]

The jester? Hardly.


So you think Elvis Presley was still shining by '74? sure he still had good moments, but nothing ever was as exiting as it was prior MSG '72.

The reason, he was bored to dead. In many ways, Elvis was artistically a frustrated man, a character failure of his was being always eager to please everybody to an unhealthy extreme, to a point he lost direction one two many times.

He indeed most needed to put everybody aside at number of times, and just look for his own artistic needs, that was the most needed metaphorical finger he never lift.

Blind loyalty, careless love, FANatism, those are most dangerous, you should really finger stay away from that.

Elvis giving the finger to the crowd... yep, summer '54, That's All Right was released, he dared to rock.

[EnigmaticSun]

Your previous post is written proof that you did.

The answer is: no! I just think you're playing hard to get along with. Yes, multiple subjects were mentioned in one post. But they were still different subjects and meant as such!

Yes his act could have been a bit more dynamic and only rarely did we get to see a spontaneous change of direction or sudden surprises. Elvis' entire career is being compromized by sloppy management.. it is all so colonel Parker.. he was unable to recognize blossoming talent even if handed to him on a silver platter!

Yes he smelled money all right and knew how to make use of everybody.. but directing and marketing it was a disaster.

[Getlo]

So you think Elvis Presley was still shining by '74?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

You said that the show with the newer stuff in '74 made him a jester.

That is quite incorrect.


The answer is: no! I just think you're playing hard to get along with. Yes, multiple subjects were mentioned in one post. But they were still different subjects and meant as such!

Then I suggest you learn how to use the multi-quote function ASAP ... as I have done here.

[EnigmaticSun]

Then I suggest you learn how to use the multi-quote function ASAP ... as I have done here.

1. take it easy yourself ASAP
2. What's right for others is not right for me. You just drew a conclusion I didn't make.

Example:

Today I went fishing..

..I'm fond of bananas.

You see it is possible addressing multiple subjects in one try. One theme may have nothing in common with the other! :lmfao:

[Diane]

Every [/I]great artist, especially of Elvis' stature, must include their greatest hits in their stage repertoire. Elvis fans, like all music fans then and now, loved the old stuff better than their new stuff.

I agree to this but it was the fact that some fans felt that all they wanted was to hear the old songs that got to me. Myself, I could hardly wait until they were done. He only did fast exerts of them anyway as if he felt the same as I did.



Elvis evolved on stage in the 70s, to be sure. But not fully. In the seven or so years he was touring in the later years, the format of the show never changed: opening acts, overture, on stage for 45 minutes to an hour, Can't Help Falling In Love, then off.

I agree to this too, I wish he had done more new songs.


Diane

[Raised on Rock]

You said that the show with the newer stuff in '74 made him a jester.


Quit playing games Getlo. How is that others have already got what I'm saying and you don't? that makes you seem rather slow than smart. You can agree or disagree, that's a different thing. But don't take lines out of context.

Never said what you are implying. Said that those shows where proof that he was not going to try anything new on stage once again, and he didn't, and then instead of looking for his own artistic needs, to keep growing as an artist on stage, he became (no disrespect) a jester, bored to dead of his own game.

I've already explain how the: "looking for your own artistic needs", is related to the finger thing in my previous post. You can disagree, I hope if you do I can read from you why is that, but if you just don't get what I'm saying and others do (despite they agree or not), oh well...

[Brian]

I agree with every point, Getlo. The Eagles are another example. They are onstage for at least three hours and they do a mix of older and newer songs - in other words they give their fans their money's worth in regards to their performances.

A lot of people back then were just doing one hour shows.

times have changed

I agree that Elvis should've done more than an hour show but times were different and he didn't want to do more than that.

even if he wanted to by 1974 I don't think Elvis would've been physically capable of performing a 2 hour show.
it would've took more out of him.

[Sonny]

Guys, his "normal routine" was 60, 70 mins.

But let's not forget, also in 74 he did shows lasting 82, or in 76, 90 mins...

Brian is correct in saying, that The Stones, Eagles, Tom Jones, Cliff, name em, all do over 2 hour shows now. Times changed.

Back in the Seventies none of them did 2, or 3 hour shows.

[KEVIN WILDE]

I SECOND WHAT UNCHAINED SAYS

[Brian]

Quit playing games Getlo. How is that others have already got what I'm saying and you don't? that makes you seem rather slow than smart. You can agree or disagree, that's a different thing. But don't take lines out of context.

Never said what you are implying. Said that those shows where proof that he was not going to try anything new on stage once again, and he didn't, and then instead of looking for his own artistic needs, to keep growing as an artist on stage, he became (no disrespect) a jester, bored to dead of his own game.

I've already explain how the: "looking for your own artistic needs", is related to the finger thing in my previous post. You can disagree, I hope if you do I can read from you why is that, but if you just don't get what I'm saying and others do (despite they agree or not), oh well...

I think Getlo is saying that the August 74 Vegas show where he changed his repetoire to include rare songs was actually well received by the audience
Not the audience gave him a bad response and he was discouraged so he went back to the same old set list.
This is just another huge myth in the Elvis world.

I think in actuality the reason Elvis went back to the same tired set list was just because he was lazy it wasn't the fans wouldn't let him try new things or grow artistically.

If Elvis had totally changed his entire set list and refused to play hound dog, teddy bear etc. the fans still would've came and cheered because they loved him and were loyal to him.

[Unchained Melody]

I agree with every point, Getlo. The Eagles are another example. They are onstage for at least three hours and they do a mix of older and newer songs - in other words they give their fans their money's worth in regards to their performances.

I'm sure most of the fans who got to attend Elvis' performances felt they got their moneys worth.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Raised on Rock]

I think in actuality the reason Elvis went back to the same tired set list was just because he was lazy it wasn't the fans wouldn't let him try new things or grow artistically.

If Elvis had totally changed his entire set list and refused to play hound dog, teddy bear etc. the fans still would've came and cheered because they loved him and were loyal to him.

True, in the end it is always Elvis to blame, and not Col. Parker, RCA or the Fans.

Not sure anyhow if the reason of him not growing anymore past '74 was plain laziness, neither plain laziness was the reason of him just saying yes sir to so many scripts he detested, or plain laziness was the reason of not world touring.

As I explained in another post, more than laziness, I see the root of all (an its only my opinion as a long time fan but not as someone who knew him personally) in a character failure of his, "to being always eager to please everybody to an unhealthy extreme, to a point he lost direction one two many times". As you can not please everybody, you rather (artistically talking) please your own needs, something Elvis rarely did in terms of career direction (In terms of creation, that was actually his main virtue).

His so called loyalty to Parker kept him away of doing what he really wanted reiterated times, his typical "Im not sure if my fans will like that" attitude was a constant step back to him, or that supposed fan reaction concern was used by Parker to keep Elvis doing what he advised is an example of that too.

Sure, most fans would have grown out the jumpsuited Love Me Tender Vegas phase with him, as many grow with him through his many career changes, and some new fans will come along. Yet, you cant deny an issue here: a big chunk of his audience, did wanted and demanded him, to keep doing the same old thing, something that indeed instigated Elvis fears. Elvis was not sure if his fans will actually let him grow that much as an artist, and to where those changes will lead him, he chooses then to play safe instead of doing what he really wants to. That is not necessary being lazy.

Elvis indeed was constantly fearful of loosing his fans, and that is the point Im addressing by saying he should lift the finger to his own fans (not literally or in a disrespectful or ungrateful way), but in the way of not having in mind at all any possible audience demand at the time of deciding which direction he wanted to take his career. Sure if you want me to be less metaphorical and more literally, the finger is actually directing to his own fears and demons, or his constant insecurity: are they gonna like me now? How cares El, you do what you do, and that is that. Wasn't he aware of the tremendous talent he had?

As an artist, that fear is not the most healthy attitude at all, to over come your own creations, your own career phases, it is also to overcome your audience, if they get it great, if they don't some others will come along, that's the logic (the metaphorical finger), I quoted Dylan as a good example of that logic, and he indeed still has a huge fan base, and that's the logic Elvis hadn't (the finger he rarely dared to lift) and was to me, a big reason of his constant step backs and fear to change.

Elvis was a competitive guy and change was in his nature, to look for something new always, but his fear of not being pleasing the masses, to loose his fans and status, was bad combination to it. Letting him in some kind of procrastination limbo (call it laziness, I call it frustration and depression) in which he did the same thing over and over until he got sick, and got tangled in the most uncomfortable situations: the awful movies, the post '74 on stage lack of effort, that's the jester addressing I did.

He seemed to needed to get to the point of I don't have anything to lose as Im not pleasing anyone anyhow, to have the guts to do something new, something he really wanted to, no matter what people advised him, no matter fan expectations or fears towards them, and act in terms of career direction out of a first creative impulse, as he did marvelously in terms of crafting songs in the studio or putting together a great show on stage, or when he showed us he could act if the right script was given.

In conclusion, think right now in front of you, that tremendous pic of the man Johnny Cash doing the sign, THATS A MOST HEALTHY ATTITUDE IN LIFE, AND WHAT IM SAYING, not disrespect intended, ELVIS SHOULD HAVE GOT THAT IM MIND MORE CLEARLY.

[Pacerstar]

A lot of people back then were just doing one hour shows.

times have changed

I agree that Elvis should've done more than an hour show but times were different and he didn't want to do more than that.

even if he wanted to by 1974 I don't think Elvis would've been physically capable of performing a 2 hour show.
it would've took more out of him.

I can honestly say that I never left and Elvis concert, or movie for that matter, feeling that I had not gotten my moneys worth. What do they charge
nowdays for these three hour concerts? The most I paid for a ticket to
an Elvis concert was $16.00. Elvis put so much energy into the time that he
was on stage that, no, to expect him to do a 3 hour show would be ludicrous,
IMO.

[The King's Queen]

I can honestly say that I never left and Elvis concert, or movie for that matter, feeling that I had not gotten my moneys worth. What do they charge
nowdays for these three hour concerts? The most I paid for a ticket to
an Elvis concert was $16.00. Elvis put so much energy into the time that he
was on stage that, no, to expect him to do a 3 hour show would be ludicrous,
IMO.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Lisarose]

So, Elvis only did 2 shows (occasionally 3) a night only when he was in Vegas? Never On Tour?

[Brian]

I can honestly say that I never left and Elvis concert, or movie for that matter, feeling that I had not gotten my moneys worth. What do they charge
nowdays for these three hour concerts? The most I paid for a ticket to
an Elvis concert was $16.00. Elvis put so much energy into the time that he
was on stage that, no, to expect him to do a 3 hour show would be ludicrous,
IMO.

If Elvis were alive and doing concerts today he would be charging all that money that other acts do now.

[TotallyInsane]

If Elvis were alive and doing concerts today he would be charging all that money that other acts do now.

Well, duh!!!!! Nothing costs the same that it did the 70's!

[TotallyInsane]

So, Elvis only did 2 shows (occasionally 3) a night only when he was in Vegas? Never On Tour?

Sometimes he did a matinee show and then an evening show but not very often.

[Pacerstar]

So, Elvis only did 2 shows (occasionally 3) a night only when he was in Vegas? Never On Tour?

Elvis did an afternoon show in March 1976 in Cincinnati OH. The evening
show sold out and the afternoon show was booked. I don't know about other
shows.:D:D:D:D

[Getlo]

Quit playing games Getlo.

I do not play games; I speak directly and I mean exactly what I say.


How is that others have already got what I'm saying and you don't?

Then that is more a reflection of others than of me. You suggested the '74 show made Elvis a jester. I suggested you were wrong. All perfectly simple.

[Getlo]

A lot of people back then were just doing one hour shows.

Yeah ... second-string artists and lounge acts.

All the big names in the 70s were on stage for way more than an hour!


Back in the Seventies none of them did 2, or 3 hour shows.

Sonny, I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm here to tell you from direct personal experience that that is quite incorrect.

Thin Lizzy, The Stones, The Eagles, ABBA, Frank Sinatra, Joe Cocker ... to name but a few. I saw them all in the 70s ... and they were at least two hours on stage!

[Getlo]

I think Getlo is saying that the August 74 Vegas show where he changed his repetoire to include rare songs was actually well received by the audience. I think in actuality the reason Elvis went back to the same tired set list was just because he was lazy it wasn't the fans wouldn't let him try new things or grow artistically.

Correct on both counts.

[Sonny]

I believe you when you say they did Getlo, I never saw them live in the Seventies.

Sinatra? Usually that was 80 mins or so I thought?

And I am old enough to could have seen em, if I would have been so lucky! :D

[Tony Trout]

So, Elvis only did 2 shows (occasionally 3) a night only when he was in Vegas? Never On Tour?


Sometimes he did a matinee show and then an evening show but not very often.


Correct, Gail. One concert date that comes to mind is April 16, 1972 in Jacksonville, Florida where he performed an afternoon (2:30 p.m.) and evening (8:30 p.m.) show (footage from before and after this show can be seen in "Elvis On Tour"/"This Is Elvis"/"Elvis On Tour: Through My Eyes".

[Sonny]

And he did some matinee shows in 1975 as well!

[debtdbruno]

I thought the International didn't want him on stage longer than an hour, they wanted everyone in the casinos?

[Sonny]

Obviously they wanted that, true. That is why Elvis did 2, or 3 shows a day. Drawing more people in the showroom, meant after 60 or so mins, more people visiting the casino.

[Merry]

Here is another example, of people jumping to conclusions with regard to comments that Elvis "only gave a one hour show". Elvis also did, as Sonny stated, two to three shows a night.

The Casino wanted the customers to gamble; hence the one hour shows, and Elvis did go over-time at times, too.

It's not the situation of Elvis not giving a longer show, as has been stated by several in this thread, it's the case of following the Contract, made with the Casino.

There were also people watching Elvis, who were there mainly to gamble, hence some of the stories to do with those situations.

Too many times, situations are taken out of context.

I feel that, generally speaking, some men are jealous of Elvis, and the negative comments boil down to that fact.

[debtdbruno]

Here is another example, of people jumping to conclusions with regard to comments that Elvis "only gave a one hour show". Elvis also did, as Sonny stated, two to three shows a night.

The Casino wanted the customers to gamble; hence the one hour shows, and Elvis did go over-time at times, too.

It's not the situation of Elvis not giving a longer show, as has been stated by several in this thread, it's the case of following the Contract, made with the Casino.

There were also people watching Elvis, who were there mainly to gamble, hence some of the stories to do with those situations.

Too many times, situations are taken out of context.

I feel that, generally speaking, some men are jealous of Elvis, and the negative comments boil down to that fact.


You're opening another can of worms there Jess:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

If the approximate length was an 'hour' because of Vegas why was it the same on tour???

[debtdbruno]

good point JJ

[Merry]

If the approximate length was an 'hour' because of Vegas why was it the same on tour???



My answer to that is everyone was unlucky :D lol

Point is, is that the Casino did want people to gamble, the rest, I can't answer you :D

[KPM]

Yeah ... second-string artists and lounge acts.

All the big names in the 70s were on stage for way more than an hour!



Sonny, I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm here to tell you from direct personal experience that that is quite incorrect.

Thin Lizzy, The Stones, The Eagles, ABBA, Frank Sinatra, Joe Cocker ... to name but a few. I saw them all in the 70s ... and they were at least two hours on stage!
I know that the Moody Blues put on a 2 hour show on the road in the 70s ( I saw them once) but are you speaking about regular touring-which is much different than Vegas?
I know in Vegas the Casino managers wanted a quick in and out for the shows-they wanted the people back in the casinos as soon as possible.
Even today with Vegas a much more family friendly place the money is made in the casinos.
But I will have to admit Elvis did not do much more than an hour when he was touring the states.
But the Moodys had a much higher ticket price than the Elvis tickets I paid for in the 70s.

[TotallyInsane]

Yeah ... second-string artists and lounge acts.

All the big names in the 70s were on stage for way more than an hour!



Sonny, I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm here to tell you from direct personal experience that that is quite incorrect.

Thin Lizzy, The Stones, The Eagles, ABBA, Frank Sinatra, Joe Cocker ... to name but a few. I saw them all in the 70s ... and they were at least two hours on stage!


You must have been a young thing if you saw shows back in the 70's.

[Brian]

Yeah ... second-string artists and lounge acts.

All the big names in the 70s were on stage for way more than an hour!






I thought Elvis was something of a lounge act in the 70's because he played Vegas so much you know

Neil Diamond, Cher and Tom Jones
75 minutes a piece just over an hour but not 2.
some people say that in the 70's the two artists that Elvis had the most in common musically were Neil Diamond and Tom Jones.

You're from Australia so they must have really wanted to put on a good show for you meanwhile I got the shaft.

Keep in mind Elvis did 2 shows a night in Vegas sometimes 3 on the rare occasion in Lake Tahoe
and then sometimes matinee shows on tour so that might make up for only doing an hour show.

[Brian]

True, in the end it is always Elvis to blame, and not Col. Parker, RCA or the Fans.

Not sure anyhow if the reason of him not growing anymore past '74 was plain laziness, neither plain laziness was the reason of him just saying yes sir to so many scripts he detested, or plain laziness was the reason of not world touring.

As I explained in another post, more than laziness, I see the root of all (an its only my opinion as a long time fan but not as someone who knew him personally) in a character failure of his, "to being always eager to please everybody to an unhealthy extreme, to a point he lost direction one two many times". As you can not please everybody, you rather (artistically talking) please your own needs, something Elvis rarely did in terms of career direction (In terms of creation, that was actually his main virtue).



Sure, most fans would have grown out the jumpsuited Love Me Tender Vegas phase with him, as many grow with him through his many career changes, and some new fans will come along. Yet, you cant deny an issue here: a big chunk of his audience, did wanted and demanded him, to keep doing the same old thing, something that indeed instigated Elvis fears. Elvis was not sure if his fans will actually let him grow that much as an artist, and to where those changes will lead him, he chooses then to play safe instead of doing what he really wants to. That is not necessary being lazy.

Elvis indeed was constantly fearful of loosing his fans, and that is the point Im addressing by saying he should lift the finger to his own fans (not literally or in a disrespectful or ungrateful way), but in the way of not having in mind at all any possible audience demand at the time of deciding which direction he wanted to take his career. Sure if you want me to be less metaphorical and more literally, the finger is actually directing to his own fears and demons, or his constant insecurity: are they gonna like me now? How cares El, you do what you do, and that is that. Wasn't he aware of the tremendous talent he had?



.

I think all this Elvis had to do the same things to please his audience is overblown.

If you went to an Elvis concert and you weren't too familiar with his career you'd come away thinking he only had 7 or 8 hit records.

When in reality he had 38 top 10 hits, 18 #1's, 79 top 20 and 114 top 40 hits in the U.S.

Instead of performing the hits Hound dog, ''Love me tender'', ''love me'', ''Don't be cruel'', ''teddy Bear'', ''blue suede shoes'' and ''All shook up'' all the time he could've replaced them with other hits that he had that the audience would've been familiar with.
That would be the way to keep his fans happy while at the same time changing up his repetoire to keep from getting bored with it.
It would keep those fans who demanded the hits be played from leaving if that's what his concern was.

''His latest flame'', ''Return to sender'', ''Devil in disguise'', ''she's not you'', ''I feel so bad'', ''A fool such as I'', ''Hard headed woman'', ''Too much'' and ''Good rockin tonight'' would've all worked well on stage.


He could've even worked to update the sound of them to make them more contemporary if he had to like he did with ''big hunk o' love''

He could've also performed ''Heartbreak hotel'', ''One night'', ''Little sister'', ''Now or never'' and ''My Baby left'' more often than he did.

This was a viable option that Elvis could've took but just chose not to.


During the taping Elvis in Concert he didn't even perform his two latest singles ''Moody blue'' and ''Way down'' he should have.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

My answer to that is everyone was unlucky :D lol

Point is, is that the Casino did want people to gamble, the rest, I can't answer you :D

Elvis was happy with the 60-80 minute show and saw no reason to change it. In fact by 1976-77 he would of been happy to do less :blush:


I think all this Elvis had to do the same things to please his audience is overblown.

If you went to an Elvis concert and you weren't too familiar with his career you'd come away thinking he only had 7 or 8 hit records.

When in reality he had 38 top 10 hits, 18 #1's, 79 top 20 and 114 top 40 hits in the U.S.

Instead of performing the hits Hound dog, ''Love me tender'', ''love me'', ''Don't be cruel'', ''teddy Bear'', ''blue suede shoes'' and ''All shook up'' all the time he could've replaced them with other hits that he had that the audience would've been familiar with.
That would be the way to keep his fans happy while at the same time changing up his repetoire to keep from getting bored with it.
It would keep those fans who demanded the hits be played from leaving if that's what his concern was.

''His latest flame'', ''Return to sender'', ''Devil in disguise'', ''she's not you'', ''I feel so bad'', ''A fool such as I'', ''Hard headed woman'', ''Too much'' and ''Good rockin tonight'' would've all worked well on stage.


He could've even worked to update the sound of them to make them more contemporary if he had to like he did with ''big hunk o' love''

He could've also performed ''Heartbreak hotel'', ''One night'', ''Little sister'', ''Now or never'' and ''My Baby left'' more often than he did.

This was a viable option that Elvis could've took but just chose not to.


During the taping Elvis in Concert he didn't even perform his two latest singles ''Moody blue'' and ''Way down'' he should have.

I agree he could have mixed it up better than he did, however he would have struggled to sing "Hard Headed Woman" & ''Good Rockin Tonight'' his voice had evolved away from that style quite considerably.

[Brian]

I agree he could have mixed it up better than he did, however he would have struggled to sing "Hard Headed Woman" & ''Good Rockin Tonight'' his voice had evolved away from that style quite considerably.

Yes, he would've sounded differently singing them in the 70's than he did in the 50's.
I think the song ''Good rocking tonight'' has held up very well lyrically and Elvis with his much deeper voice in the 70's could've handled both imo.
unfortunately we will never know what a 70's version of both of those songs would sound like.

[KPM]

I thought Elvis was something of a lounge act in the 70's because he played Vegas so much you know
Neil Diamond, Cher and Tom Jones
75 minutes a piece just over an hour but not 2.
some people say that in the 70's the two artists that Elvis had the most in common musically were Neil Diamond and Tom Jones.

You're from Australia so they must have really wanted to put on a good show for you meanwhile I got the shaft.

Keep in mind Elvis did 2 shows a night in Vegas sometimes 3 on the rare occasion in Lake Tahoe
and then sometimes matinee shows on tour so that might make up for only doing an hour show.
Well he played the big rooms-not the lounges not the 200 seat rooms-He opened the International in 69 to 2000 plus paid standing room only customers which was unheard of and he filled it to capacity setting a record.
LOUNGE ACTS- were in the lounge for a reason-they did not have the drawing power or following to fill the big rooms.
They were there to fill the void of when the SHOWROOM stars were not performing. A break even attitude was a good run before Elvis in most the Showrooms-The idea of turning a profit in the Showrooms started with Elvis-not Sinatra, not Sammy Davis Jr etc..
You may have thought of him as a lounge act-but that is not what he was.

[KPM]

Elvis was happy with the 60-80 minute show and saw no reason to change it. In fact by 1976-77 he would of been happy to do less :blush:



I agree he could have mixed it up better than he did, however he would have struggled to sing "Hard Headed Woman" & ''Good Rockin Tonight'' his voice had evolved away from that style quite considerably.
I think he could have added more different material from his vast selection of hits-but there were a certain portion of the audience who wanted to hear-Hound Dog, Blue Suede Shoes, Heartbreak Hotel......
When I saw him in 76 a group of 12-13 year old girls were setting in front of us-and they screamed and jumped up and down when he finally sang Hound Dog-which kind of surprised me-I would have thought Burning Love or Promised Land would have been more familiar to them-but they loved it:)

[Getlo]

You must have been a young thing if you saw shows back in the 70's.

Yes. Sinatra was my first "big show" - I was 7 or 8: I was in second grade at the time.

Saw many acts through the 70s, 80s and into the 90s. Not so much nowadays ... the last touring act I saw was Dr Phil (!!) a couple of weeks ago.

And he sucked.

[Getlo]

I thought Elvis was something of a lounge act in the 70's because he played Vegas so much you know.

No, I meant lounge acts literally, ie the acts who played the lounges.

[Merry]

... the last touring act I saw was Dr Phil (!!) a couple of weeks ago.

And he sucked.



Why did you see Dr Phil and why was he disappointing? :D lol I'm soooo surprised that you saw him.

[Getlo]

Why did you see Dr Phil and why was he disappointing? :D lol I'm soooo surprised that you saw him.

I quite like his TV show. I love that he's a straight-talker and free of BS.

But his live show was different. He said he was bringing his TV show down under, but it wasn't his show.

After much American-type pre-show hype (ie video screens etc) there was a huge buildup, and he walked out to - for some reason - Shania Twain's I Feel Like A Woman.

"Are you ready Orstralia," he asked?

"Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!, we all cheered.

And then he gave a lecture that lasted one hour and 40 minutes. No questions, no video stuff, no music, no guests, no interaction with the crowd, no nothin'. His wife Robyn came on stage for about a minute and said how lovely Australia was - after being here all of five minutes. The stage was a boxing ring-type of thing with eight plants around the sides, that's all.

And that was it. Thank you and good night. I felt like I'd just flicked through the forwards of some of his books.

The basic gist of the lecture was to own your crap, ie whatever comes your way, just deal with it.

Fair enough ... but I didn't need to pay $120 for the privilege!

On the positive side, one of the songs that was played in Acer Arena before the show was Heartbreak Hotel ... ;)

[Merry]

I quite like his TV show. I love that he's a straight-talker and free of BS.

But his live show was different. He said he was bringing his TV show down under, but it wasn't his show.

After much American-type pre-show hype (ie video screens etc) there was a huge buildup, and he walked out to - for some reason - Shania Twain's I Feel Like A Woman.

"Are you ready Orstralia," he asked?

"Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!, we all cheered.

And then he gave a lecture that lasted one hour and 40 minutes. No questions, no video stuff, no music, no guests, no interaction with the crowd, no nothin'. His wife Robyn came on stage for about a minute and said how lovely Australia was - after being here all of five minutes. The stage was a boxing ring-type of thing with eight plants around the sides, that's all.

And that was it. Thank you and good night. I felt like I'd just flicked through the forwards of some of his books.

The basic gist of the lecture was to own your crap, ie whatever comes your way, just deal with it.

Fair enough ... but I didn't need to pay $120 for the privilege!

On the positive side, one of the songs that was played in Acer Arena before the show was Heartbreak Hotel ... ;)


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: "I Feel Like A Woman"....ohhh :lmfao: We all know everything is purposeful...oh boy.... they must have thought some women in the audience may appreciate: "I Feel Like A Woman" not Dr Phil :blush: :blink: didn't work, huh! :) (poor Dr Phil).


That is disappointing about Dr Phil just lecturing, I was curious about his show, too. Did he fill Acer Arena? Was there a feel from the other people who watched Dr Phil's show, as they left, of being disappointed, or?

[The King's Queen]

I quite like his TV show. I love that he's a straight-talker and free of BS.

But his live show was different. He said he was bringing his TV show down under, but it wasn't his show.

After much American-type pre-show hype (ie video screens etc) there was a huge buildup, and he walked out to - for some reason - Shania Twain's I Feel Like A Woman.

"Are you ready Orstralia," he asked?

"Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!, we all cheered.

And then he gave a lecture that lasted one hour and 40 minutes. No questions, no video stuff, no music, no guests, no interaction with the crowd, no nothin'. His wife Robyn came on stage for about a minute and said how lovely Australia was - after being here all of five minutes. The stage was a boxing ring-type of thing with eight plants around the sides, that's all.

And that was it. Thank you and good night. I felt like I'd just flicked through the forwards of some of his books.

The basic gist of the lecture was to own your crap, ie whatever comes your way, just deal with it.

Fair enough ... but I didn't need to pay $120 for the privilege!

On the positive side, one of the songs that was played in Acer Arena before the show was Heartbreak Hotel ... ;)


:blink::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Sorry you didn't enjoy the show Getlo. :doh: Maybe Dr. Phil would benefit from playing LOTS of Elvis' songs prior to coming on stage to do a show like that. At least the crowd would be so pumped up they couldn't fall asleep during his lecture. :king::king:(y):P