Lisa-Marie forbids Elvis ballet production

[presley31]

Peter Schaufuss Ballet's production on the life of the King has been forced to cancel by Lisa-Marie Presley over the way it portrays the music icon. Presley's addictions and messy divorce were featured in the production. The production has already been performed in Scandinavia.

Source: www.elvismatters.com

[Diane]

Yayyy Lisa!!!!!! At least someone is trying to protect Elvis' image.

Diane

[The King's Queen]

Way to go Lisa Marie...you defend your Daddy, girl!!! (y)(y)(y):D

[midnight]

Way to go Lisa...your daddy is so proud of you!(y)(y)(y)

[Broussey]

Way to go Lisa Marie...you defend your Daddy, girl!!! (y)(y)(y):D



100% Agree(y)

[Getlo]

"Presley's addictions and messy divorce were featured in the production".

Yeah, so?

What's the problem? Unless they're portraying Elvis as some violent, drugged-out loon, then this ballet should have been fine.

Lisa and EPE can't make money off this, that's why she's turfed it.

And for those of you praising Lisa for protecting her daddy's memory ... what on earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland! :supriced::angry:

[May]

"

And for those of you praising Lisa for protecting her daddy's memory ... what on [I]earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland! :supriced::angry:

I have to agree..(y)

[Teddy]

If anybody can find a way to portray drugged-out violence in ballet, I for one would love to see it! Can you imagine that? :lol:

[Pacerstar]

Yayyy Lisa!!!!!! At least someone is trying to protect Elvis' image.

Diane

I agree with you. Double Yayyy! for Lisa in doing this.(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Pacerstar]

"Presley's addictions and messy divorce were featured in the production".

Yeah, so?

What's the problem? Unless they're portraying Elvis as some violent, drugged-out loon, then this ballet should have been fine.

Lisa and EPE can't make money off this, that's why she's turfed it.

And for those of you praising Lisa for protecting her daddy's memory ... what on earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland! :supriced::angry:

I was very disappointed about the Elvis Impersonator endorsement by EPE.(n)(n)(n)(n)

[kathy parkinson]

"Presley's addictions and messy divorce were featured in the production".

Yeah, so?

What's the problem? Unless they're portraying Elvis as some violent, drugged-out loon, then this ballet should have been fine.

Lisa and EPE can't make money off this, that's why she's turfed it.

And for those of you praising Lisa for protecting her daddy's memory ... what on earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland! :supriced::angry: Getlo, your my man, agree with you, well said.

[Junebug]

Here is an article from the UK's The Independent that may shed some light on the ballet in question although I am somewhat confused about its date - Monday, 17 April 2000 - and the current reports. :blink:


Presley's daughter forces Elvis ballet to close just before it opens

By Severin Carrell

Monday, 17 April 2000




A ballet about the life of Elvis Presley has been forced to cancel before it opened after complaints from a company run by the dead star's daughter.

The production, called The King, was due to open at the Festival Theatre in Edinburgh tomorrow for a five-day run. It was then to have transferred to the Sadler's Wells theatre in London for a short season.

The Festival Theatre had already sold 200 tickets, but was warned of possible copyright problems by Elvis Presley Enterprises (EPE), the company controlled by Lisa-Marie Presley, which owns Graceland, the singer's home in Memphis, Tennessee.

The production by the Peter Schauss Ballet, a Danish company, tells the story of the singer's rise to fame, the death of his mother Gladys, his traumatic divorce from his wife Priscilla, and his ultimately fatal abuse of drink and drugs.

Stephen Barry, the Festival Theatre's chief executive, said he had been told they would have to cancel the show because of possible legal implications over the portrayal of Elvis Presley.

Mr Barry added that the theatre would be seeking to make good its losses. He said: "Clearly there will be a financial loss, but hope we can reach an agreement without legal ramifications. As is our policy, all ticket holders will be entitled to a full refund."

The two-hour ballet, which features original music by Elvis Presley, has already played to full houses in Scandinavia where it opened last year. But it is now expected that the company will have to rework the production to comply with EPE's wishes.

The company, which has some copyright controls over the use of Elvis Presley's image, work and estate, is said to have been unhappy with some of the scenes. Despite negotiations with its producers, EPE stopped the ballet from opening.

Sid Shaw, who won a drawn-out battle with EPE in 1998 over his use of Elvis Presley's name and his right to sell Elvis Presley souvenirs, said EPE was wrong to have taken such action. Mr Shaw, who owns the Elvisly Yours Store, said: "The show is putting Elvis on a new plane, it's no longer just karaoke, he is part of the world of art and ballet.

"EPE should be bending over backwards to encourage this type of production."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/presleys-daughter-forces-elvis-ballet-to-close-just-before-it-opens-721332.html

:D

[GIORGIA]

(y)(y)(y)(y)
Good Lisa!

[Raised on Rock]

Stupid decision, no yays for me, as Getlo put it, it has to do with not been able to profit with it, she care about protecting the business, if she would care about his dad's image, there are another more concerning stuff she would need to put a stop happening right in Graceland.

[elvislina]

Good Job Lisa-Marie (y)

[Unchained Melody]

Have to agree Getlo, what a disgrace that was.
And its true, and sad, the only reason likely she closed his down was because her or epe weren't benefiting from it.(n)

[GIORGIA]

" What an earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland?"
I totally agree with this phrase that you write!

[Nicole Presley]

I think Lisa did the right thing! :D

[EnigmaticSun]

I think Lisa did the right thing! :D

Whatever her ulterior motive is, is hard to tell. However I can't say I disagree or that I'm disappointed.. I'd never allow such a thing to happen. If they are going to make a show, they can at least keep it respectful and leave the junk for the national enquirer, sun, bild or de telegraaf.. haha!

[LuckyJackson]

Have to agree that Lisa should have stepped in on the many other derogatory things that have been allowed already ....but better late than never!

[TCB4ELVIS]

"Presley's addictions and messy divorce were featured in the production".

Yeah, so?

What's the problem? Unless they're portraying Elvis as some violent, drugged-out loon, then this ballet should have been fine.

Lisa and EPE can't make money off this, that's why she's turfed it.

And for those of you praising Lisa for protecting her daddy's memory ... what on earth did you think she was doing when she allowed an Elvis impersonator contest on the grounds of Graceland! :supriced::angry:

I agree, it is no secret how Elvis was and what he was into. Does every production of Elvis' life have to be white washed?

[hounddog]

Lisa herself has talked about his drug addiction so i think there was more to her decision than the way Elvis was portrayed

[dannyboy1]

Agreed! I approve of Lisa stopping this, but wish EPE did not allow (or run) a lot of other tacky events (and merchandising) as well.

[SatninLove]

Bottom line is..Lisa Marie put an end to this becouse she LOVES HER FATHER!!!!
Anyone that cannot see that,is crazy..
Not all ETA's are terrible.Believe it or now,there ARE some out there that are not cheesy,and that are not over the top.There are some ETA's out there,that care about helping Elvis' memory and legacy live on in a professional very wonderful way.
LMP cares about her father,and that is why she put a stop to this stupid ballet.:angry:

[GIORGIA]

Bottom line is..Lisa Marie put an end to this becouse she LOVES HER FATHER!!!!
Anyone that cannot see that,is crazy..
Not all ETA's are terrible.Believe it or now,there ARE some out there that are not cheesy,and that are not over the top.There are some ETA's out there,that care about helping Elvis' memory and legacy live on in a professional very wonderful way.
LMP cares about her father,and that is why she put a stop to this stupid ballet.:angry:
As I write before I totally agree with Lisa!
Because when I read this information I have immediately think that this show had some scene that are NOT true about the Life Our Love Elvis!
For this Lisa as STOP the show!
Not for the money!Or because is not connect with the EPE!
My Personally Opinion!
So I agree with Lisa and with you!

[Diane]

Bottom line is..Lisa Marie put an end to this becouse she LOVES HER FATHER!!!!
Anyone that cannot see that,is crazy..
Not all ETA's are terrible.Believe it or now,there ARE some out there that are not cheesy,and that are not over the top.There are some ETA's out there,that care about helping Elvis' memory and legacy live on in a professional very wonderful way.
LMP cares about her father,and that is why she put a stop to this stupid ballet.:angry:


Totally agree(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[artfromtex]

this is why no Elvis bio-movie has ever been worth a siht. i wish they'd make a movie that started in 1973 and showed Elvis "the man" and the hell he was in. i think it would endear him to people. instead we get these fluff films like the CBS mini-series, the ABC series and other stuff that just regurgitates what everyone already knows. you gotta show the human side for an Elvis film to connect with people. look at "Ray" and "Walk The Line". great films, critically acclaimed, helped the artists catalog and they were both brutally honest.

plus, no one can portray Elvis properly when you show them "performing".

my idea:
a movie about Elvis life from 1973-1977 that pull no punches. shows no performances, other than going on/coming off stage, and tells the truth.

a ballet? weird concept, but at least they wanted to show some realism.

[Pacerstar]

this is why no Elvis bio-movie has ever been worth a siht. i wish they'd make a movie that started in 1973 and showed Elvis "the man" and the hell he was in. i think it would endear him to people. instead we get these fluff films like the CBS mini-series, the ABC series and other stuff that just regurgitates what everyone already knows. you gotta show the human side for an Elvis film to connect with people. look at "Ray" and "Walk The Line". great films, critically acclaimed, helped the artists catalog and they were both brutally honest.

plus, no one can portray Elvis properly when you show them "performing".

my idea:
a movie about Elvis life from 1973-1977 that pull no punches. shows no performances, other than going on/coming off stage, and tells the truth.

a ballet? weird concept, but at least they wanted to show some realism.
What truth? The truth from the MM, Goldman's truth, Priscilla's truth, EWH truth, etc.? And how would we know it was the truth? I think if they could
do a picture like you propose and show the human side of Elvis and his
demons in the spirit of humanizing him instead of exploiting him, it would be
a great movie. I feel there was much more to Elvis' life story than the
alleged drug use and womanizing we hear so much about from those who
were around him. To quote an old saying, " if you prick him, does he not
bleed?" I am sure a good biographer who is not biased to just making money
could do an honest treatment of the life Elvis lived and the battles he had to
fight. I would like to see such a movie.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[SweetCaroline]

I don't don't how the production was portraying these ELVIS issues that upset Lisa, but I have to assume from Lisa getting that upset about it that it must have been in pretty gross taste.
So for now....I will vote that Lisa did the right thing. (y)

[Raised on Rock]

What truth? The truth from the MM, Goldman's truth, Priscilla's truth, EWH truth, etc.? And how would we know it was the truth? I think if they could
do a picture like you propose and show the human side of Elvis and his
demons in the spirit of humanizing him instead of exploiting him, it would be
a great movie. I feel there was much more to Elvis' life story than the
alleged drug use and womanizing we hear so much about from those who
were around him. To quote an old saying, " if you prick him, does he not
bleed?" I am sure a good biographer who is not biased to just making money
could do an honest treatment of the life Elvis lived and the battles he had to
fight. I would like to see such a movie.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Guralnick's: Last Train To Memphis / Careless love. That's a good example of view on Elvis life without ridiculous sanitation neither based on plain tabloid like scandals.

[GIORGIA]

Guralnick's: Last Train To Memphis / Careless love. That's a good example of view on Elvis life without ridiculous sanitation neither based on plain tabloid like scandals.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

[Pacerstar]

Guralnick's: Last Train To Memphis / Careless love. That's a good example of view on Elvis life without ridiculous sanitation neither based on plain tabloid like scandals.

I started reading Last Train to Memphis a few years ago. But, I got side-tracked and never finished it. What I did read, I remember liking. I must finish
it sometime.:D:D:D:D

[hounddog]

"Bottom line is..Lisa Marie put an end to this because she LOVES HER FATHER!!!!
Anyone that cannot see that,is crazy.."

I don't think anyone here thinks that Lisa doesn't love her Daddy.

[Brian]

I don't don't how the production was portraying these ELVIS issues that upset Lisa, but I have to assume from Lisa getting that upset about it that it must have been in pretty gross taste.
So for now....I will vote that Lisa did the right thing. (y)

Lisa wasn't upset about how the play portrayed her father
she was upset over the fact she wasn't making any money on it.

[Brian]

"Bottom line is..Lisa Marie put an end to this because she LOVES HER FATHER!!!!
Anyone that cannot see that,is crazy.."

I don't think anyone here thinks that Lisa doesn't love her Daddy.


I don't think she knows him well enough or remembers him well enough to love him.

In interviews watch how Lisa Marie refers to Elvis as ''him'' it's very distant that's because she didn't know him that well when he died and it's been a long time since he passed away.
Most of what she's knows about Elvis her mother has told her.

[Junebug]

I don't think she knows him well enough or remembers him well enough to love him.

In interviews watch how Lisa Marie refers to Elvis as ''him'' it's very distant that's because she didn't know him that well when he died and it's been a long time since he passed away.
Most of what she's knows about Elvis her mother has told her.


Thank you for your opinion on Lisa's love for her father.

Thank you for your interpretation of Lisa's actions.

Thank you for your opinion on Lisa's knowledge of her father.

Needless to say, many do not view things through your glasses.

IMO, this is just more of the baloney some Elvis fans want to wallow in.


:king:

[Pacerstar]

I don't think she knows him well enough or remembers him well enough to love him.

In interviews watch how Lisa Marie refers to Elvis as ''him'' it's very distant that's because she didn't know him that well when he died and it's been a long time since he passed away.
Most of what she's knows about Elvis her mother has told her.

I totally disagree. She was old enough to have vivid memories of her father!
I remember reading after he passed away that her mother tried to keep
her protected from any memories of him. Maybe that is why she seems distant
at times. :D:D:D:D:D

[Brian]

Thank you for your opinion on Lisa's love for her father.

Thank you for your interpretation of Lisa's actions.

Thank you for your opinion on Lisa's knowledge of her father.

Needless to say, many do not view things through your glasses.

IMO, this is just more of the baloney some Elvis fans want to wallow in.


:king:

It's the way it is not an opinion

Elvis estate puts out so much crap they don't care about protecting his image it's all about the $$$$$$$
If Lisa was making money off this it wouldn't matter.

I can tell Lisa doesn't have a lot of knowledge by the way she speaks in public about him.

Some fans choose to believe such nonsense like Lisa has a lot of knowledge and love for her father when she's just telling fans what they want to hear.
I don't think she should be expected to remember or know a lot about her father but some fans like to believe in the opposite

[Brian]

I totally disagree. She was old enough to have vivid memories of her father!
I remember reading after he passed away that her mother tried to keep
her protected from any memories of him. Maybe that is why she seems distant
at times. :D:D:D:D:D

She remembers him but remember her parents split up when she was 4 and the few times she was at Graceland Elvis was asleep most of the day.
she spent most of her time with her mother.

Take into account he died when she was 9 she is now 41.
The older you get it's hard to remember events that happened when you were 5 or 6 years old.

[The King's Queen]

Have to agree that Lisa should have stepped in on the many other derogatory things that have been allowed already ....but better late than never!

I agree! (y)(y)


I don't think she knows him well enough or remembers him well enough to love him.

In interviews watch how Lisa Marie refers to Elvis as ''him'' it's very distant that's because she didn't know him that well when he died and it's been a long time since he passed away.
Most of what she's knows about Elvis her mother has told her.

Newsflash!!! http://smiley.net.ru/emosur025.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emosur1.htm) I have to disagree with you Brian...http://smiley.net.ru/emosur027.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emosur1.htm)


I totally disagree. She was old enough to have vivid memories of her father!
I remember reading after he passed away that her mother tried to keep
her protected from any memories of him. Maybe that is why she seems distant
at times.

Great post!!!! (y)(y)


It's the way it is not an opinion

Elvis estate puts out so much crap they don't care about protecting his image it's all about the $$$$$$$
If Lisa was making money off this it wouldn't matter.

I can tell Lisa doesn't have a lot of knowledge by the way she speaks in public about him.

Some fans choose to believe such nonsense like Lisa has a lot of knowledge and love for her father when she's just telling fans what they want to hear.
I don't think she should be expected to remember or know a lot about her father but some fans like to believe in the opposite

This is not a very logical way to view things, IMO! :blink: Lisa often comes across as being guarded with her conversations about her Father...and who could blame her??? :doh: Yes, she has made some mistakes, just like the rest of us. But she was 9 years old when he died. I cannot fathom that she has very little knowledge of him! I'm sure that her memories...(*Note the word "HER")...are of a Father, not a superstar, an ex-husband, a drug addict, or anything else. She probably just remembers loving him...and most little girls do love their Father!! :D

I find it absurd to think that a nine year old child could not have had "love for her father". :blink: And if she is just telling the fans what they want to hear as you suggest...then she is no more at fault that her mother and the rest of those who were in his life. Just my two cents...;)

[Junebug]

Having reviewed the website for the Peter Schaufuss Ballet Company, I am intrigued by the contemporary style and artistically beautiful dance troupe used in his productions. Schaufuss has created ballets around numerous iconic figures along with many of the classics. The following link provides a roster of his productions/performances with a brief descripton of each and photos (click on the thumbnails for more info). The rock ballet inspired by the life of Elvis Presley, The King, is featured near the lower portion of the page. One photo depicts an Army scene while another may be of a death or loss.
Please take a look - I think many will be surprised:

http://www.schaufuss.com/pages/artikel_list.asp?&MenuGuid=9997

Also, if anyone can translate the information for The King, would you post it here? For some reason, that info did not translate to English like most of the other performance descriptions. :blink:

I would have loved to have seen this!

What did you think?

(y)

[Brian]

I agree! (y)(y)



Newsflash!!! http://smiley.net.ru/emosur025.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emosur1.htm) I have to disagree with you Brian...http://smiley.net.ru/emosur027.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emosur1.htm)



Great post!!!! (y)(y)



This is not a very logical way to view things, IMO! :blink: Lisa often comes across as being guarded with her conversations about her Father...and who could blame her??? :doh: Yes, she has made some mistakes, just like the rest of us. But she was 9 years old when he died. I cannot fathom that she has very little knowledge of him! I'm sure that her memories...(*Note the word "HER")...are of a Father, not a superstar, an ex-husband, a drug addict, or anything else. She probably just remembers loving him...and most little girls do love their Father!! :D

I find it absurd to think that a nine year old child could not have had "love for her father". :blink: And if she is just telling the fans what they want to hear as you suggest...then she is no more at fault that her mother and the rest of those who were in his life. Just my two cents...;)


As a little girl I'd say sure she loved him but not now

She doesn't remember him or really know the kind of person he was so how could she really have a deep love for him.

When she refers to Elvis as him it sounds very impersonal to me
She talks about Priscilla differently that's because she knows her and grew up with her.
She refers to her ex-husbands by their names and not I was married to him or he was who he was that ''him''
With Elvis it's always him.

[Junebug]

It's the way it is not an opinion

Elvis estate puts out so much crap they don't care about protecting his image it's all about the $$$$$$$
If Lisa was making money off this it wouldn't matter.

I can tell Lisa doesn't have a lot of knowledge by the way she speaks in public about him.

Some fans choose to believe such nonsense like Lisa has a lot of knowledge and love for her father when she's just telling fans what they want to hear.
I don't think she should be expected to remember or know a lot about her father but some fans like to believe in the opposite


Thank you for your opinion.

:king:

[Junebug]

As a little girl I'd say sure she loved him but not now

She doesn't remember him or really know the kind of person he was so how could she really have a deep love for him.

When she refers to Elvis as him it sounds very impersonal to me
She talks about Priscilla differently that's because she knows her and grew up with her.
She refers to her ex-husbands by their names and not I was married to him or he was who he was that ''him''
With Elvis it's always him.


Thank you for your opinion.

IMO, a very revealing post.


:king:

[The King's Queen]

As a little girl I'd say sure she loved him but not now

She doesn't remember him or really know the kind of person he was so how could she really have a deep love for him.

When she refers to Elvis as him it sounds very impersonal to me
She talks about Priscilla differently that's because she knows her and grew up with her.
She refers to her ex-husbands by their names and not I was married to him or he was who he was that ''him''
With Elvis it's always him.

Sorry Brian...but love doesn't just go away. :doh: How could she have loved him then and not love now??? :blink::blink:

She doesn't have to have vivid knowledge of him to love him. There is such a thing as 'unconditional love'...and you usually find it between a parent and a child! Not always, but usually. There are exceptions to every rule...

And Brian, your statement about her "knowing" and "growing up with" her mother are not exactly accurate either! She was not with her mother 24/7 and their relationship was more than a little 'rocky' for a very long time.

Either way, it is not up to us to assume to know how she feels about either of her parents. (n)

[Raised on Rock]

Having reviewed the website for the Peter Schaufuss Ballet Company, I am intrigued by the contemporary style and artistically beautiful dance troupe used in his productions. Schaufuss has created ballets around numerous iconic figures along with many of the classics. The following link provides a roster of his productions/performances with a brief descripton of each and photos (click on the thumbnails for more info). The rock ballet inspired by the life of Elvis Presley, The King, is featured near the lower portion of the page. One photo depicts an Army scene while another may be of a death or loss.
Please take a look - I think many will be surprised:

http://www.schaufuss.com/pages/artikel_list.asp?&MenuGuid=9997

Also, if anyone can translate the information for The King, would you post it here? For some reason, that info did not translate to English like most of the other performance descriptions. :blink:

I would have loved to have seen this!

What did you think?

(y)

I think, once again, someone goes out of the E.P.E. moneymaking paradigm, and got banned for plain royalties issues, without looking at the long term benefit of it.

In other words, Lisa´s view about banning this, is as wide as Col. Parkers choosing another beach musical instead of a drama, choosing vegas instead of a world tour, banning Leiber/Stoller to be near Elvis, and pitching him crappy songs that gave him much more money.

Impersonators in Graceland, and not this, right on Lisa!

[Junebug]

I think, once again, someone goes out of the E.P.E. moneymaking paradigm, and got banned for plain royalties issues, without looking at the long term benefit of it.

In other words, Lisa´s view about banning this, is as wide as Col. Parkers choosing another beach musical instead of a drama, choosing vegas instead of a world tour, banning Leiber/Stoller to be near Elvis, and pitching him crappy songs that gave him much more money.

Impersonators in Graceland, and not this, right on Lisa!


I understand your point of view.....

And probably agree...but maybe in a slightly different way.

Legalities were involved if in fact the Elvis image, etc. was used without permission. That's just the way it is - whether or not certain 'scenes' were tasteful.

For some reason though, I think a more hidden reason is the possibility of artistic similarity between this contemporary ballet and the upcoming Cirque du Soleil show. ;) (You'll still get your "drama" and "world tour!")

Also, I'm not so sure how the media played up the story. Was it really "Lisa Banning" or EPE taking care of business? Which of course comes back to your moneymaking paradigm....:lol:

Who ever really knows with things like this?????

You never really know if you have all the information......


:king:

[Brian]

Thank you for your opinion.

:king:

Not an opinion

[Brian]

Thank you for your opinion.

IMO, a very revealing post.


:king:

Not an opinion

[Brian]

Sorry Brian...but love doesn't just go away. :doh: How could she have loved him then and not love now??? :blink::blink:

She doesn't have to have vivid knowledge of him to love him. There is such a thing as 'unconditional love'...and you usually find it between a parent and a child! Not always, but usually. There are exceptions to every rule...

And Brian, your statement about her "knowing" and "growing up with" her mother are not exactly accurate either! She was not with her mother 24/7 and their relationship was more than a little 'rocky' for a very long time.

Either way, it is not up to us to assume to know how she feels about either of her parents. (n)

You are wrong love can change or go away over time


I didn't say she was with her mother 24/7 she was with her mother a whole lot more than her father and she has been with her a whole lot throughout her life.
Lisa knows her mother real well it doesn't matter that they once had a rocky relationship. I didn't say they never had a rocky relationship.
so my statement was accurate.

If you want to believe Lisa loves her father very much, only does things in his best interest,
his fans best interests, really cares about her father's fans,
and never does anything for purely financial gain go ahead.

Who wants to bet money right now that if Lisa Marie ever comes out with another CD it will have a song on it about Michael Jackson
I bet right now that she will do this to try and increase interest for her new record.

you heard it here first.

[May]

I don't think she knows him well enough or remembers him well enough to love him.

.

I absolutely do not know how you can say that Brian.(n)

[May]

The older you get it's hard to remember events that happened when you were 5 or 6 years old.

Rubbish!
That might well be your experience, but I remember things that happened to me when I was 5 years old. and its the same memory all the time. It doesnt diminish as I age!:blink:

[May]

Not an opinion

Well its not fact, is it!!!
(Predictable answer coming up) :hmm:

[Brian]

I absolutely do not know how you can say that Brian.(n)

I said it and i'll say it again.

[Brian]

Rubbish!
That might well be your experience, but I remember things that happened to me when I was 5 years old. and its the same memory all the time. It doesnt diminish as I age!:blink:

It sure does for a lot people.

perhaps you have a real real good memory but for many people it gets harder to remember things that we did when we were really young as we get older.

I wasn't specifically referring to you.

[Brian]

Well its not fact, is it!!!
(Predictable answer coming up) :hmm:

And don't know what's with some people

I describe how Lisa acts and how she refers to Elvis in interviews it's a fact she does refer to him that way.

You guys are just so wrong.

You don't have to be so rude about it either

[May]

Hardly rude Brian. I just saw your answer coming. Hence the comment predictable answer coming up.

You say "you guys are wrong" like thats a fact. :doh: But let me put it this way, how can we all be wrong and you're right?

who's the common denominator in most of these discussions :hmm:

[May]

It sure does for a lot people.

perhaps you have a real real good memory but for many people it gets harder to remember things that we did when we were really young as we get older.

I wasn't specifically referring to you.

I know you werent. But you stated it as fact that when you (people) get older memories fade. I was merely pointing out that it may be that way for you but how can you speak for Lisa Marie, or me, or anyone other than you for that matter?

[May]

I said it and i'll say it again.

going by your answer, you didnt understand my comment.

[Brian]

Hardly rude Brian. I just saw your answer coming. Hence the comment predictable answer coming up.

You say "you guys are wrong" like thats a fact. :doh: But let me put it this way, how can we all be wrong and you're right?

who's the common denominator in most of these discussions :hmm:

It's not my goal to be unpredictable

you are not even saying anything constructive.

You are wrong to say Lisa Marie doesn't do those things like refer to her father as ''him'' all the time.
I'm not wrong to say Lisa Marie is much closer to her mother than she ever was to her father.

I can't help it if all of you are wrong about this.



Lisa Marie Presley is a woman who didn't know her father.

[Brian]

I know you werent. But you stated it as fact that when you (people) get older memories fade. I was merely pointing out that it may be that way for you but how can you speak for Lisa Marie, or me, or anyone other than you for that matter?

I am speaking for Lisa Marie Presley.

I know a lot of people can't remember details of a lot of events in their life as they get older it's not just me.

[Brian]

going by your answer, you didnt understand my comment.

I did

You must not have liked my response.

[May]

It's not my goal to be unpredictable

you are not even saying anything constructive.

You are wrong to say Lisa Marie doesn't do those things like refer to her father as ''him'' all the time.
I'm not wrong to say Lisa Marie is much closer to her mother than she ever was to her father.

I can't help it if all of you are wrong about this.



Lisa Marie Presley is a woman who didn't know her father.

Who's being rude now? In my opinion I AM saying something constructive. Your opinion is just that......YOUR opinion. Why do you think your opinion is fact?:doh:

Of course Lisa was closer to her mother than her father. What child wouldnt be, who lived the majority of her life with her mother. ?:doh:

As far as us being all wrong , Brian, Brian, Brian, http://smiley.net.ru/emooth023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth1.htm)

[May]

I am speaking for Lisa Marie Presley.

I know a lot of people can't remember details of a lot of events in their life as they get older it's not just me.

Brian! I know a lot of people who can remember details of events. That doesnt make me state that as fact that because I know these people, ALL people must be like it.

And Im sorry but unless you are in fact Lisa, you cannot speak for her. And if you ARE Lisa, then fair enough.

[Brian]

Brian! I know a lot of people who can remember details of events. That doesnt make me state that as fact that because I know these people, ALL people must be like it.

And Im sorry but unless you are in fact Lisa, you cannot speak for her. And if you ARE Lisa, then fair enough.


I've met Lisa Marie Presley a few times.

What i'm saying to you is a lot of people can't remember details of their life as they get older and that includes LMP.

[May]

That doesnt make you her then.
I didnt disagree with that opinion of yours. Its very true a lot of people cant remember things, and a lot of people can.
My point was, how can you say Lisa doesnt remember, and that you speak for Lisa.

You can say 'from the way she talks I dont think she remembers.' but you cant say 'she doesnt remember.' thats just obvious.

[Brian]

Who's being rude now? In my opinion I AM saying something constructive. Your opinion is just that......YOUR opinion. Why do you think your opinion is fact?:doh:

Of course Lisa was closer to her mother than her father. What child wouldnt be, who lived the majority of her life with her mother. ?:doh:

As far as us being all wrong , Brian, Brian, Brian, http://smiley.net.ru/emooth023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth1.htm)


All I was saying was Lisa refers to her father as ''him'' in interviews it comes across as non personal. that's a fact.

I said Lisa Marie Presley was a lot closer to her mother that's a fact a couple of posters were saying that's my opinion when it's fact.


Lisa Marie rudely refers to her father as Elvis in the Elvis By the Presley's book that's a fact.


Basically what i've been saying is all these things Lisa Marie Presley says about her being close with her father I bet her mother tells her these things she doesn't remember them herself.

She goes along with it because she's just telling the fans what they want to hear.

[May]

Lisa may well refer to her dad as 'him' and yo may well think thats impersonal. It sounds impersonal to me and obviously to you, but maybe it isnt to Lisa.

I know someone who calls their mother "Chris", yet I have never seen a more close relationship between mother and daughter.

I would never call my dad by his christian name, but just because I dont, it doesnt make me right. People are different. You cant judge a person by your own standards. Of course people do, thats human nature.

[Brian]

Lisa may well refer to her dad as 'him' and yo may well think thats impersonal. It sounds impersonal to me and obviously to you, but maybe it isnt to Lisa.

I know someone who calls their mother "Chris", yet I have never seen a more close relationship between mother and daughter.

I would never call my dad by his christian name, but just because I dont, it doesnt make me right. People are different. You cant judge a person by your own standards. Of course people do, thats human nature.

She calls her grandparents by grandpa and grandma not by their first names

she calls Priscilla mom

When she was a little girl she referred to Elvis as daddy but as she got older she refers to her father as ''him''.
that's one of things i'm talking about when saying she doesn't remember him as much as she says.

[TotallyInsane]

She calls her grandparents by grandpa and grandma not by their first names

she calls Priscilla mom

When she was a little girl she referred to Elvis as daddy but as she got older she refers to her father as ''him''.
that's one of things i'm talking about when saying she doesn't remember him as much as she says.

Guess you've never heard the CD where Elvis talks of his little 6 year old daughter who calls him "EVIS"...he said he told her "don't call me that I'm your daddy and she said "OK EVIS". By the way, I've met her a few times too and it is my opinion that she still loves her daddy!!!

[SleepyJack]

From what I`ve read of this it looks to me like the decision to oppose the whole ballet thing was purely a business decision,nothing against Lisa Marie but credit should be given when and where it is due... and heaping praise on Lisa as some kind of saviour of her fathers name and image doesn`t make a lot of sense to me,especially with other things like the support and encouragement for the whole ridiculous "tribute artist" contests etc.... which I still think is one of the most damaging things to how people percieve Elvis Presley and how he will be remembered. I agree with Getlo and the others on this.... a business decision,no more,no less.The bottom line nowadays with almost everyone involved in the industry that is Elvis Presley is money...plain,old-fashioned profit and the more the better. It isn`t for me to say whether or not Lisa loves her father,I don`t know her,I`ve never spoken to her... but going on life experience I would say that yes,she must love him,he was her father,and at the end of the day there must be love of one kind or another there.... but that is guess work on my part simply because I don`t know.
The people who do the most good work nowadays in keeping alive the memory of Elvis are the true fans who organise events,run websites,make time in their lives and put in the effort to keep his music playing and his voice heard. Can you imagine what it would be like to only have the Official Elvis,as presented to us by Elvis Presley Enterprises?...no tcb-world,no fan clubs...no Elvis express radio...... In general I couldn`t care less about any of the "Elvis business family" anymore,and that includes the remaining Memphis Mafia members...and all the other hangers-on and sad losers who are still living off the Elvis name..... they can all rot as far I am concerned.

[Pacerstar]

She remembers him but remember her parents split up when she was 4 and the few times she was at Graceland Elvis was asleep most of the day.
she spent most of her time with her mother.

Take into account he died when she was 9 she is now 41.
The older you get it's hard to remember events that happened when you were 5 or 6 years old.

I'm sorry, Brian. You make a good case about Lisa being with her mother
more than she was with her father. But, she was with her father a good deal,
too. And young children are impressionable. It is true that as we get older,
we don't remember specifics like dates, etc., that things happened; but, we
do remember those times and events that we spent with the ones we loved.
And, no matter what, I feel that Lisa did love her father. And, take it from
me, Brian, I am old enough to know about memory and the loss of it. :D:D:D:D:D:D

[Donut]

From what I`ve read of this it looks to me like the decision to oppose the whole ballet thing was purely a business decision,nothing against Lisa Marie but credit should be given when and where it is due... and heaping praise on Lisa as some kind of saviour of her fathers name and image doesn`t make a lot of sense to me,especially with other things like the support and encouragement for the whole ridiculous "tribute artist" contests etc.... which I still think is one of the most damaging things to how people percieve Elvis Presley and how he will be remembered. 
(y)(y)(y)


The people who do the most good work nowadays in keeping alive the memory of Elvis are the true fans who organise events,run websites,make time in their lives and put in the effort to keep his music playing and his voice heard. Can you imagine what it would be like to only have the Official Elvis,as presented to us by Elvis Presley Enterprises?...no tcb-world,no fan clubs...no Elvis express radio...... In general I couldn`t care less about any of the "Elvis business family" anymore.

(y)(y)(y)

Good post SJ

[Pacerstar]

Guess you've never heard the CD where Elvis talks of his little 6 year old daughter who calls him "EVIS"...he said he told her "don't call me that I'm your daddy and she said "OK EVIS". By the way, I've met her a few times too and it is my opinion that she still loves her daddy!!!

I love the story Elvis tells on that cd.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[nash]

"Have to agree that Lisa should have stepped in on the many other derogatory things that have been allowed already ....but better late than never! "

Yeah!!!!!!That´s it friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Diane]

I don't know how Lisa is getting along with her mother these days but I have read here on this site a while back that she wasn't all that close to Priscilla for several years.

Lisa may not have been with her dad as long but it's quality not time that counts.

Diane

[nyc]

I don't know how Lisa is getting along with her mother these days but I have read here on this site a while back that she wasn't all that close to Priscilla for several years.

She did an interview with Marie Claire when she was pregnant with the twins, and said she considered Priscilla overbearing and overpowering when she was younger, and couldn't wait to get away from her. That's consistent with what she's said in other interviews. She's always said they're like oil and water and it's only recently that they've become close and don't grate on each other's nerves.

And we could argue all day over exactly how much she remembers about her father, but she also seems to think she got much more from him than from her mother - she's said she has his temper, his sense of humor, and his lack of interest in things business related.

About the specific topic of this thread, this has to be an old story that somehow got picked up again. Lisa sold a controlling interest in EPE to Robert Sillerman (85%). She can't veto anything any more. All she controls is title to Graceland, subject to a 100 year lease for tours, and her father's personal property.

[TotallyInsane]

She also referred to herself as "the bull in her mother's china cabinet"....sounds a little like me too!!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Diane]

She also referred to herself as "the bull in her mother's china cabinet"....sounds a little like me too!!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

That's an apt description in both cases I'm sure:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Diane

[debtdbruno]

IMO, I have to agree with Brian to some extent.
She cannot have a vast extent of memories as she was so young when he died.

[Brian]

Guess you've never heard the CD where Elvis talks of his little 6 year old daughter who calls him "EVIS"...he said he told her "don't call me that I'm your daddy and she said "OK EVIS". By the way, I've met her a few times too and it is my opinion that she still loves her daddy!!!

Yes, I've heard that

She still called Elvis daddy when she was a little girl.

that's been confirmed by Linda Thompson, Joe Esposito and Priscilla.

[Raised on Rock]

For some reason though, I think a more hidden reason is the possibility of artistic similarity between this contemporary ballet and the upcoming Cirque du Soleil show. ;) (You'll still get your "drama" and "world tour!")
:king:

Banning it because of direct competition with the Cirque du Solei shows, which are the money maker for them? sounds like a reason too.

[hounddog]

Hogwash, cause Lisa remembers her Dad. Of course she has memories of her Dad and the time they spent together. I regard to watching Lisa being interviewed about Elvis the love is evident when she talks about him. Just cause she doesn't call him Daddy doesn't mean anything. I've also seen Lisa look upset when talking about Elvis, especially in Elvis by The Presley. Takes love to get upset.

Now i think Raised on Rock made a good point "Banning it because of direct competition with the Cirque du Solei shows, which are the money maker for them"

Yep that sounds logical. Raised on Rock

[Brian]

Hogwash, cause Lisa remembers her Dad. Of course she has memories of her Dad and the time they spent together. I regard to watching Lisa being interviewed about Elvis the love is evident when she talks about him. Just cause she doesn't call him Daddy doesn't mean anything. I've also seen Lisa look upset when talking about Elvis, especially in Elvis by The Presley. Takes love to get upset.



Have you ever thought about why Priscilla does most of the talking in EBTP and not Lisa?

I remember Lisa told a story about Elvis saying that he was drugged up so much when she was 7 or 8 years old she rushed over to hold him up so he wouldn't fall.

Now Elvis was a grown man who was 6 feet tall a 7 or 8 year old girl wouldn't be physically strong enough to hold him up.

[hounddog]

Priscilla talks mostly for Elvis Enterprises because she was the original spokesperson, after all it was her baby so to speak. Maybe Lisa doesn't want to do the business thing.

Yes I've heard her talk about holding Elvis up. I used to hold my brother up when he was out of it, he was 19 i was 8, he was 6'1 then. What's so hard to believe about Lisa doing that, it's more propping than holding.

You don't believe Lisa loves Elvis I believe she loves Elvis deeply. We'll just have to agree to disagree Brian.

It's all just opinions anyway, that's your and this is mine. It would be a boring old world is we all thought alike.

[hounddog]

typo my brother was 18 i was 8

[The King's Queen]

I don't know how Lisa is getting along with her mother these days but I have read here on this site a while back that she wasn't all that close to Priscilla for several years.

Lisa may not have been with her dad as long but it's quality not time that counts.

Diane

As usual Lady Di..lol..I totally agree with you! :notworthy:notworthy(y)


Hogwash, cause Lisa remembers her Dad. Of course she has memories of her Dad and the time they spent together. I regard to watching Lisa being interviewed about Elvis the love is evident when she talks about him. Just cause she doesn't call him Daddy doesn't mean anything. I've also seen Lisa look upset when talking about Elvis, especially in Elvis by The Presley. Takes love to get upset.



Great post and very observant as well!! (y)(y)


Priscilla talks mostly for Elvis Enterprises because she was the original spokesperson, after all it was her baby so to speak. Maybe Lisa doesn't want to do the business thing.

Yes I've heard her talk about holding Elvis up. I used to hold my brother up when he was out of it, he was 19 i was 8, he was 6'1 then. What's so hard to believe about Lisa doing that, it's more propping than holding.

You don't believe Lisa loves Elvis I believe she loves Elvis deeply. We'll just have to agree to disagree Brian.

It's all just opinions anyway, that's your and this is mine. It would be a boring old world is we all thought alike.

BRAVO!!! :notworthy(y):D

[LovePresley]

OMG!We've gone from dissing Elvis to dissing Lisa Marie!:angry::cursing:
Bottom line is,She LOVES her father!Why can people not see that?
She remembers ALOT i'm sure!Her father was her father!I remember things from when I was 2 years old.I'm sure Lisa can too!!
Why should Lisa speak at all of the EPE events?Elvis is her FATHER!She's fully aware of who her Father is,but you have to remember,to her it is her father.
I remember watching an interview with Lisa and Riley,and I remember Riley saying that she was never introduced to Elvis by watching his movies,or starting an Elvis Fan Club,she was introduced to him by looking through Family photo albums,to her,he is her Grandfather!
Lisa stopped production on this ballet,becouse she LOVES her father!She respects him and loves him very much.If she doesn't,why do tears well up in her eyes every time she speaks about him?Why can she NOT Stand pretty much all of the members of the MM(all of the goons that just want to make money off of Elvis)?Why is she stopping silly things like this that are run by selfish little "maggots" that want to do nothing but 'tarnish' Elvis' memory?She LOVES him thats why,and she's also got INCREDIBLE sense!

[The King's Queen]

IMO, I have to agree with Brian to some extent.
She cannot have a vast extent of memories as she was so young when he died.

The amount of memories could not huge in volume due to the fact that she only had nine years to share with him. The debate is whether or not a person could gain love within that time frame, isn't it? He tends to imply that she could not love her father. How silly is that???:doh:


You are wrong love can change or go away over time


I didn't say she was with her mother 24/7 she was with her mother a whole lot more than her father and she has been with her a whole lot throughout her life.
Lisa knows her mother real well it doesn't matter that they once had a rocky relationship. I didn't say they never had a rocky relationship.
so my statement was accurate.

If you want to believe Lisa loves her father very much, only does things in his best interest,
his fans best interests, really cares about her father's fans,
and never does anything for purely financial gain go ahead.

Who wants to bet money right now that if Lisa Marie ever comes out with another CD it will have a song on it about Michael Jackson
I bet right now that she will do this to try and increase interest for her new record.

you heard it here first.

Well golly gee...thanks for allowing us to hear it here first by all means...:doh:

Look Brian, this is getting a bit cheesy...IMO. YOU have the right to have and post your opinions. WE (your opposition) also have that right. Because we disagree, you say we are "wrong"...which implies that your opinion is "right". :doh: WRONG! BIG-TIME WRONG! :angry: You go on and form your own opinions and state them here...feel free. Everyone else will do the same thing. I, for one, will not openly tell you that you are wrong when it is only your opinion, and not pure fact backed up by reliable sources. I will simply see it for what it is and ONLY for what it is...YOUR OPINION! And your opinion, without validation, doesn't make you right and the rest of us wrong. That is what is known as a 'disagreement' of opinion. No one can point a fingle (lol) and say that either is right or wrong unless proof is laid out for examination. Simple enough???? :blink:

And one more thing... You speak as if you have met her on occasion and perhaps from that and watching some EPE sanctioned shows you have arrived at the conclusion that she is doing all of this for the sake of $$$$!?! You have thrown her into the folds of the others who are still sucking their life's blood from a dead man in order to rake in the moolah. Why then, do you find it soooo hard to speak of the one woman she would have been able to learn such tactics from.....Mommy Dearest herself, Priscilla...??? After all, Lisa was an heir...Pris was not! ;)


Hardly rude Brian. I just saw your answer coming. Hence the comment predictable answer coming up.

You say "you guys are wrong" like thats a fact. :doh: But let me put it this way, how can we all be wrong and you're right?

who's the common denominator in most of these discussions :hmm:

I'm probably overstepping things a bit...but oh well, here goes!

Brian will fire back with the same old answer because he has no other retaliatory effort in his stockpile of arsenals to use in his defense other than the "I'm right, your wrong" bomb. So go ahead...fire when ready! :supriced: ;)

[The King's Queen]

OMG!We've gone from dissing Elvis to dissing Lisa Marie!:angry::cursing:
Bottom line is,She LOVES her father!Why can people not see that?
She remembers ALOT i'm sure!Her father was her father!I remember things from when I was 2 years old.I'm sure Lisa can too!!
I agree with that! (y) I can very scarcely remember things about one of my grandfathers, who passed on when I was four, but the things that I do remember are all things that have continued to endear him to my heart in his absence.

AND, No Brian, I am not wrong. Love can be killed by hurt, anger, and various other evil doings...abuse being one of them. But the unconditional love between a daughter and her father is not likely to be killed out because of a span of time nor by reason of the fact that she has less memories or knowledge of the REAL Elvis than others around her do. She remembers him well enough to remember that he loved her. She remembers their time together well enough to recall that he loved her enough to give her anything she wanted...probably in an effort to make up for the time he could no longer spend with her...who knows? Maybe he just wanted to spoil his only child. Either way...there are memories that are all her own. And she still has them. And to me it's outwardly obvious that her love for him is still present.

Yes, it's too bad she didn't halt some of the other half-baked things that have cast a less than desirable opinion of her Daddy. But if she decides to halt this, for whatever reason, I commend her. Even if it were to be for reasons associated with not raking in any cash from it...big deal!...it is still keeping smut about him out of the limelight. And that gets a (y) from me!

[Raised on Rock]

OMG!We've gone from dissing Elvis to dissing Lisa Marie!:angry::cursing:
Bottom line is,She LOVES her father!Why can people not see that?
She remembers ALOT i'm sure!Her father was her father!I remember things from when I was 2 years old.I'm sure Lisa can too!!
Why should Lisa speak at all of the EPE events?Elvis is her FATHER!She's fully aware of who her Father is,but you have to remember,to her it is her father.
I remember watching an interview with Lisa and Riley,and I remember Riley saying that she was never introduced to Elvis by watching his movies,or starting an Elvis Fan Club,she was introduced to him by looking through Family photo albums,to her,he is her Grandfather!
Lisa stopped production on this ballet,becouse she LOVES her father!She respects him and loves him very much.If she doesn't,why do tears well up in her eyes every time she speaks about him?Why can she NOT Stand pretty much all of the members of the MM(all of the goons that just want to make money off of Elvis)?Why is she stopping silly things like this that are run by selfish little "maggots" that want to do nothing but 'tarnish' Elvis' memory?She LOVES him thats why,and she's also got INCREDIBLE sense!

Its really not up to me to discuss Lisa's feeling towards his father, as I do not personally know her. I think it can be said she is honest about loving him, not gonna argue about that.

But that is not the issue here, but how that so called love for his memory can be used as an excuse to cotton candy cover up the business related reason of banning this production. As I posted earlier and nobody has answered, has anybody seen the show or knows the script of this play? if so, how this is really bad portraying Elvis? is it really? or does it actually taking Elvis figure to new audiences but with no profit to EPE and THAT'S the deal

Now, lets say we have the script and indeed it is portraying Elvis Presley in detrimental way,is it doing it in a worst manner than Mommy's book about beloved daddy? (why not taking action about that one and the movie based on it too) is it worst than telling the world that daddy was drugged up in front of his little girl? and call it drugged up...

Elvis Presley final drama (or the outside of it) is well known, and there is no point in covering up, (Lisa or EPE talking about sanitizing the image when you dedicate a chapter to the drugs in the family DVD :doh:) To openly address it in a humanizing way will give a better understating of the man and it will bring out his many virtues and cast away all these tired morbidity about his drug problems and decline.

Once again, we do need to read the script or see the show, (or else I cannot dare to say it is being run by a selfish little maggot looking to tarnish Elvis memory).

[Brian]

The amount of memories could not huge in volume due to the fact that she only had nine years to share with him. The debate is whether or not a person could gain love within that time frame, isn't it? He tends to imply that she could not love her father. How silly is that???:doh:



Well golly gee...thanks for allowing us to hear it here first by all means...:doh:

Look Brian, this is getting a bit cheesy...IMO. YOU have the right to have and post your opinions. WE (your opposition) also have that right. Because we disagree, you say we are "wrong"...which implies that your opinion is "right". :doh: WRONG! BIG-TIME WRONG! :angry: You go on and form your own opinions and state them here...feel free. Everyone else will do the same thing. I, for one, will not openly tell you that you are wrong when it is only your opinion, and not pure fact backed up by reliable sources. I will simply see it for what it is and ONLY for what it is...YOUR OPINION! And your opinion, without validation, doesn't make you right and the rest of us wrong. That is what is known as a 'disagreement' of opinion. No one can point a fingle (lol) and say that either is right or wrong unless proof is laid out for examination. Simple enough???? :blink:

And one more thing... You speak as if you have met her on occasion and perhaps from that and watching some EPE sanctioned shows you have arrived at the conclusion that she is doing all of this for the sake of $$$$!?! You have thrown her into the folds of the others who are still sucking their life's blood from a dead man in order to rake in the moolah. Why then, do you find it soooo hard to speak of the one woman she would have been able to learn such tactics from.....Mommy Dearest herself, Priscilla...??? After all, Lisa was an heir...Pris was not! ;)



I'm probably overstepping things a bit...but oh well, here goes!

Brian will fire back with the same old answer because he has no other retaliatory effort in his stockpile of arsenals to use in his defense other than the "I'm right, your wrong" bomb. So go ahead...fire when ready! :supriced: ;)

Well, Fine featherd dogs and cats.

[Brian]

I agree with that! (y) I can very scarcely remember things about one of my grandfathers, who passed on when I was four, but the things that I do remember are all things that have continued to endear him to my heart in his absence.

AND, No Brian, I am not wrong. Love can be killed by hurt, anger, and various other evil doings...abuse being one of them. But the unconditional love between a daughter and her father is not likely to be killed out because of a span of time nor by reason of the fact that she has less memories or knowledge of the REAL Elvis than others around her do. She remembers him well enough to remember that he loved her. She remembers their time together well enough to recall that he loved her enough to give her anything she wanted...probably in an effort to make up for the time he could no longer spend with her...who knows? Maybe he just wanted to spoil his only child. Either way...there are memories that are all her own. And she still has them. And to me it's outwardly obvious that her love for him is still present.

Yes, it's too bad she didn't halt some of the other half-baked things that have cast a less than desirable opinion of her Daddy. But if she decides to halt this, for whatever reason, I commend her. Even if it were to be for reasons associated with not raking in any cash from it...big deal!...it is still keeping smut about him out of the limelight. And that gets a (y) from me!

How do you know Lisa Marie Presley loves her father????

I'm talking about right now not back then.

How do you know LMP is not just telling the fans what they want to hear.

Because LMP says so????

Yeah, he was ''him'' he was who he was.

[Brian]

Priscilla talks mostly for Elvis Enterprises because she was the original spokesperson, after all it was her baby so to speak. Maybe Lisa doesn't want to do the business thing.

Yes I've heard her talk about holding Elvis up. I used to hold my brother up when he was out of it, he was 19 i was 8, he was 6'1 then. What's so hard to believe about Lisa doing that, it's more propping than holding.

You don't believe Lisa loves Elvis I believe she loves Elvis deeply. We'll just have to agree to disagree Brian.

It's all just opinions anyway, that's your and this is mine. It would be a boring old world is we all thought alike.

Priscilla didn't do most of the work for EPE that was done by other people.

Priscilla says the mosts on these interviews because contrary to what they try to have you to believe Priscilla's parents, sister and Lisa Marie didn't know Elvis that well so she has the most to say.
Lisa Marie was involved in EBTP

that is not my opinion it is fact.

[presley31]

Priscilla didn't do most of the work for EPE that was done by other people.

Priscilla says the mosts on these interviews because contrary to what they try to have you to believe Priscilla's parents, sister and Lisa Marie didn't know Elvis that well so she has the most to say.
Lisa Marie was involved in EBTP

that is not my opinion it is fact.

Fact would be if you were there and witness everything but since you weren't it would be considered a opinion..nothing more nothing less ;)

[Brian]

Fact would be if you were there and witness everything but since you weren't it would be considered a opinion..nothing more nothing less ;)



Priscilla's parents or Lisa Marie didn't know Elvis that well
Priscilla knew him much better that's a fact.

It's also a fact that Priscilla was a co-executor and hardly the sole reason for the success of Graceland. this has been discussed before and it's a matter of public record.

You don't have to be around for everything to know the facts.

If my facts were opinions I'd call them opinions but they are facts!!!!!!

To say what i've said is an opinion is not right.

[presley31]

Priscilla's parents or Lisa Marie didn't know Elvis that well
Priscilla knew him much better that's a fact.

It's also a fact that Priscilla was a co-executor and hardly the sole reason for the success of Graceland. this has been discussed before and it's a matter of public record.

You don't have to be around for everything to know the facts.

If my facts were opinions I'd call them opinions but they are facts!!!!!!

To say what i've said is an opinion is not right.

Since l don't agree we will have to disgree ;)

[Pacerstar]

I agree with that! (y) I can very scarcely remember things about one of my grandfathers, who passed on when I was four, but the things that I do remember are all things that have continued to endear him to my heart in his absence.

AND, No Brian, I am not wrong. Love can be killed by hurt, anger, and various other evil doings...abuse being one of them. But the unconditional love between a daughter and her father is not likely to be killed out because of a span of time nor by reason of the fact that she has less memories or knowledge of the REAL Elvis than others around her do. She remembers him well enough to remember that he loved her. She remembers their time together well enough to recall that he loved her enough to give her anything she wanted...probably in an effort to make up for the time he could no longer spend with her...who knows? Maybe he just wanted to spoil his only child. Either way...there are memories that are all her own. And she still has them. And to me it's outwardly obvious that her love for him is still present.

Yes, it's too bad she didn't halt some of the other half-baked things that have cast a less than desirable opinion of her Daddy. But if she decides to halt this, for whatever reason, I commend her. Even if it were to be for reasons associated with not raking in any cash from it...big deal!...it is still keeping smut about him out of the limelight. And that gets a (y) from me!

I agree.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[KEVIN WILDE]

I'M GLAD SHE'S STANDING UP FOR HER DAD I 100% AGREE WITH HER ,I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT EITHER YOU GO LISA

[Brian]

Since l don't agree we will have to disgree ;)

Those are the facts.

you can disagree with facts i suspose but you will look silly in doing so.

it's better to disagree with someone's opinion not the facts.

[Brian]

So I guess all of us that refer to our parents that have passed away as him or her instead of mommy or daddy means we dont love them anymore? If so then that is the farthest from the truth.I lost my dad and i dont always refer to HIM as dad or daddy when im asked a question about him. Just my opinion but I feel Lisa Marie still and always will love her father,he is after all still her father.

What it means is this

When Lisa was a little girl she called Elvis daddy as she has gotten older a lot of the memories she has of her father she has forgotten and a lot of what she knows about him come from her mother.

So since the years have passed Lisa Marie's Dad has become a distant memory in her head so she refers to her father as him instead of ''dad''
she doesn't really have that emotional attatchment to him it seems. now had he lived I think she would call him dad and things would be different.

it's a common theme for people who are not close to their fathers, mothers or other relatives to not call them mom, dad, grandpa but instead avoid calling them that and refer to them as him, her or by their first names.

I was never close to my father I barely knew him he rarely comes up in conversations but when I mention him he is referred to as ''he'', ''him'' or I call him by his first name like Lisa.
my father is deceased as well.

Notice when Lisa is asked about whether she'll do covers of her father's songs in concerts.
she says no, I won't be doing any Elvis songs instead of saying I won't do any of my fathers or dads songs in concert.

when asked about Robert Sillerman taking over she said you won't see any Elvis toilet paper instead of saying you won't see my dads face or my fathers face on toilet paper.

When Lisa refers to her father as ''he'' or him'' I bet she consciously tries to avoid calling him by his first name because it would piss the fans off.
that's because she doesn't know him and didn't know him that well when he was alive.

I don't blame Lisa she barely knew her father but that would piss some fans off if she came out and said I barely remember him
and started calling him by his first name when speaking of him.


One thing I don't know about for sure but strongly suspect is to me it seems Lisa has very vague knowledge of her fathers career as well.
I don't know that to be true but to me she comes across that way.

[Sonny]

I must say Brian, the average kid has memories from say five, six years old. I know I do, and not from pictures or stories they told me.

Lisa was not your average kid, so it's pretty much fact to assume she has her recollection of being at concerts with her dad around that age.
And for sure (as she herself says) knows what a brat she was, and how spoiled, playing around the grounds of Graceland.

And with a company as EPE, also it's pretty fair to assume she is familiar with (at least) most of her dad's work.

[Brian]

I must say Brian, the average kid has memories from say five, six years old. I know I do, and not from pictures or stories they told me.

Lisa was not your average kid, so it's pretty much fact to assume she has her recollection of being at concerts with her dad around that age.
And for sure (as she herself says) knows what a brat she was, and how spoiled, playing around the grounds of Graceland.

And with a company as EPE, also it's pretty fair to assume she is familiar with (at least) most of her dad's work.

I didn't say Lisa Marie didn't have memories of her father or didn't remember some things just that she doesn't remember very much.

I don't believe she was around Elvis all that much.

He was sleeping most of the day or whatever or spent most of her time in the custody of her mother.

Also I think for quite a long period during the time of the separation/ divorce Priscilla didn't want Lisa to be around Elvis as much
I heard Priscilla's sister Michelle say that in an interview that it had to do with Elvis lifestyle.

Just because she owned EPE doesn't mean she knows a lot about her father's career. maybe she does and maybe she doesn't.

[Junebug]

What it means is this

When Lisa was a little girl she called Elvis daddy as she has gotten older a lot of the memories she has of her father she has forgotten and a lot of what she knows about him come from her mother.

So since the years have passed Lisa Marie's Dad has become a distant memory in her head so she refers to her father as him instead of ''dad''
she doesn't really have that emotional attatchment to him it seems. now had he lived I think she would call him dad and things would be different.

it's a common theme for people who are not close to their fathers, mothers or other relatives to not call them mom, dad, grandpa but instead avoid calling them that and refer to them as him, her or by their first names.

I was never close to my father I barely knew him he rarely comes up in conversations but when I mention him he is referred to as ''he'', ''him'' or I call him by his first name like Lisa.
my father is deceased as well.

Notice when Lisa is asked about whether she'll do covers of her father's songs in concerts.
she says no, I won't be doing any Elvis songs instead of saying I won't do any of my fathers or dads songs in concert.

when asked about Robert Sillerman taking over she said you won't see any Elvis toilet paper instead of saying you won't see my dads face or my fathers face on toilet paper.

When Lisa refers to her father as ''he'' or him'' I bet she consciously tries to avoid calling him by his first name because it would piss the fans off.
that's because she doesn't know him and didn't know him that well when he was alive.

I don't blame Lisa she barely knew her father but that would piss some fans off if she came out and said I barely remember him
and started calling him by his first name when speaking of him.


One thing I don't know about for sure but strongly suspect is to me it seems Lisa has very vague knowledge of her fathers career as well.
I don't know that to be true but to me she comes across that way.


Thanks for letting us know what the real issue is here and your reference point for those opinions.

Lisa doesn't need you telling her how she feels about her father or your analysis of her behavior and actions.

Just ask her.

I'm sure she'll show you the same fingle her 'father - dad - him - Elvis - Daddy' did in the much discussed photo from the other thread.

Another common theme among people: People have to know love to be able to recognize love.


:king::king::king:

[presley31]

Those are the facts.

you can disagree with facts i suspose but you will look silly in doing so.

it's better to disagree with someone's opinion not the facts.

Brian l'am not wasting my day going on about facts and opinions. I don't agree with everything you say and that's not silly but my own choice and really if you can't accept that than skip my post..have a good day;)

[presley31]

I must say Brian, the average kid has memories from say five, six years old. I know I do, and not from pictures or stories they told me.

Lisa was not your average kid, so it's pretty much fact to assume she has her recollection of being at concerts with her dad around that age.
And for sure (as she herself says) knows what a brat she was, and how spoiled, playing around the grounds of Graceland.

And with a company as EPE, also it's pretty fair to assume she is familiar with (at least) most of her dad's work.

well said sonny (y)(y)(y)(y)

[Brian]

Thanks for letting us know what the real issue is here and your reference point for those opinions.

Lisa doesn't need you telling her how she feels about her father or your analysis of her behavior and actions.

Just ask her.

I'm sure she'll show you the same fingle her 'father - dad - him - Elvis - Daddy' did in the much discussed photo from the other thread.

Another common theme among people: People have to know love to be able to recognize love.


:king::king::king:


Those are the facts that's what people do when they are not close to a parent.
it's not just me it's a common trait.




Lisa Marie wouldn't show me the middle finger it's just some bad *** image she has going.

she would admit she doesn't know her father real well.

I know LMP.

What she says away from the public is different.

what i'm saying is actually a no brainer.

[Brian]

Brian l'am not wasting my day going on about facts and opinions. I don't agree with everything you say and that's not silly but my own choice and really if you can't accept that than skip my post..have a good day;)

Yes, it is silly

You don't disagree with facts.

The sky is blue.

well, I don't agree with what you said

sheesh.

Priscilla wasn't the sole reason for the success of Graceland that's a fact.
she had a lot of help.

Priscilla knew Elvis better than her parents or LMP
that's just a fact.

[Sonny]

Guys, girls, lighten up a bit...

[topo]

agree with lisa marie why do people always want to show negative things about the great man why dont they talk about the good things he done for people instead

[Pacerstar]

agree with lisa marie why do people always want to show negative things about the great man why dont they talk about the good things he done for people instead

I agree with you on this. (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[kathy parkinson]

I must say Brian, the average kid has memories from say five, six years old. I know I do, and not from pictures or stories they told me.

Lisa was not your average kid, so it's pretty much fact to assume she has her recollection of being at concerts with her dad around that age.
And for sure (as she herself says) knows what a brat she was, and how spoiled, playing around the grounds of Graceland.

And with a company as EPE, also it's pretty fair to assume she is familiar with (at least) most of her dad's work. (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[May]

Thanks for letting us know what the real issue is here and your reference point for those opinions.

Lisa doesn't need you telling her how she feels about her father or your analysis of her behavior and actions.

Just ask her.

I'm sure she'll show you the same fingle her 'father - dad - him - Elvis - Daddy' did in the much discussed photo from the other thread.

Another common theme among people: People have to know love to be able to recognize love.


:king::king::king:


An interesting post. (y)

[The King's Queen]

How do you know Lisa Marie Presley loves her father????

I'm talking about right now not back then.

How do you know LMP is not just telling the fans what they want to hear.

Because LMP says so????

Yeah, he was ''him'' he was who he was.

Right back at you then Brian...how do you know that she doesn't love him???? :hmm: Because YOU say so????



I must say Brian, the average kid has memories from say five, six years old. I know I do, and not from pictures or stories they told me.

Lisa was not your average kid, so it's pretty much fact to assume she has her recollection of being at concerts with her dad around that age.
And for sure (as she herself says) knows what a brat she was, and how spoiled, playing around the grounds of Graceland.

And with a company as EPE, also it's pretty fair to assume she is familiar with (at least) most of her dad's work.

:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)(y);)


Thanks for letting us know what the real issue is here and your reference point for those opinions.

Lisa doesn't need you telling her how she feels about her father or your analysis of her behavior and actions.

Just ask her.

I'm sure she'll show you the same fingle her 'father - dad - him - Elvis - Daddy' did in the much discussed photo from the other thread.

Another common theme among people: People have to know love to be able to recognize love.


:king::king:

You just laid the "smack down" on somebody! And I must say, rightfully so! (y):notworthy(y)


Those are the facts that's what people do when they are not close to a parent.
it's not just me it's a common trait.




Lisa Marie wouldn't show me the middle finger it's just some bad *** image she has going.

she would admit she doesn't know her father real well.

I know LMP.

What she says away from the public is different.

what i'm saying is actually a no brainer.

Oh, I must agree with you...what you are saying certainly does not require brains to be stated! :angry:

You know Brian, if you "know LMP"...why don't you tell us just exactly how well you know her and how this came to be???:hmm:

And I think you should rethink your opinion of her bad*** image...I do believe she would flip you the bird in a New York minute if you tried to tell her that she does not love her father! Even if she hated him, why would she need you to tell her how she feels??? :blink::doh:

I honestly don't know where you get the idea that everything you say is "fact" and everyone else's thoughts are rubbish! :mad: That is as opinionated as it gets! So much for you supplying "facts" instead of a mere "opinion"!

(n)(n)I'm done! Some people cannot see past their own nose...why waste precious time!:mad:

[hounddog]

the ballet is part of a rock trilogy ballet The King, She Loves You and Satisfaction. Ir was
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://www.schaufuss.com/&ei=maeVSvDOEMyNkAXC-O2MBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPeter%2BSchaufuss%26hl%3Den%26client% 3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dqh5

"Just ten days before the company was due to tour Edinburgh and London, Elvis Presley Enterprises, which owns rights to much of Presley's catalogue, announced that Schaufuss could not use the songs he had chosen for his original ballet, nor could the persona of Elvis be depicted on stage without permission from the estate."
http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_00/may00/lh_rev_psb_0400.htm

Sounds more like an issue with permissions and royalites. And really the director of the show should have known better. You have to ask and get permission to use songs in productions. You also have to pay for their use.

I would most likely not see this show as ballet really isn't my thing but it sounds no worse than other shows/movies over the years that have included an Elvis' style character as it's lead.

[Junebug]

Those are the facts that's what people do when they are not close to a parent.
it's not just me it's a common trait.




Lisa Marie wouldn't show me the middle finger it's just some bad *** image she has going.

she would admit she doesn't know her father real well.

I know LMP.

What she says away from the public is different.

what i'm saying is actually a no brainer.


It is a fact that some people can exhibit this behavior due to to a lack of closeness to a relative. Although you might, it is not an absolute and by assuming Lisa behaves in the same manner you do for the reasons you do is excluding a person's individuality and right to their own feelings.

Some people can exhibit this behavior for numerous other reasons.

Some examples:

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name at that time - whether that second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to the event being discussed - i.e. - a person's passing, drug issues, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to anger at the person's behavior - i.e. - a person upset with their spouse child, boss, etc.

- Too emotionally painfully to say the person's name due to any combination of events, feelings, etc. not stated here.

You have no right to speak for Lisa or proclaim her feelings about anything.

Life does not occur as suggested in your one-dimensional analysis. That's a no-brainer!

Besides, if you really knew LMP as you say you do, you would know she refers to her father as 'him - dad - he - Elvis - daddy' - just to piss off those Elvis fans who think they know her behavior and mind better than she does!!!

It is Lisa's journey ---- not yours!!!

[The King's Queen]

It is a fact that some people can exhibit this behavior due to to a lack of closeness to a relative. Although you might, it is not an absolute and by assuming Lisa behaves in the same manner you do for the reasons you do is excluding a person's individuality and right to their own feelings.

Some people can exhibit this behavior for numerous other reasons.

Some examples:

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name at that time - whether that second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to the event being discussed - i.e. - a person's passing, drug issues, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to anger at the person's behavior - i.e. - a person upset with their spouse child, boss, etc.

- Too emotionally painfully to say the person's name due to any combination of events, feelings, etc. not stated here.

You have no right to speak for Lisa or proclaim her feelings about anything.

Life does not occur as suggested in your one-dimensional analysis. That's a no-brainer!

Besides, if you really knew LMP as you say you do, you would know she refers to her father as 'him - dad - he - Elvis - daddy' - just to piss off those Elvis fans who think they know her behavior and mind better than she does!!!

It is Lisa's journey ---- not yours!!!

WOW! (y)(y)(y):notworthy:notworthy(y)(y);)

[debtdbruno]

the ballet is part of a rock trilogy ballet The King, She Loves You and Satisfaction. Ir was
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://www.schaufuss.com/&ei=maeVSvDOEMyNkAXC-O2MBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPeter%2BSchaufuss%26hl%3Den%26client% 3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dqh5

"Just ten days before the company was due to tour Edinburgh and London, Elvis Presley Enterprises, which owns rights to much of Presley's catalogue, announced that Schaufuss could not use the songs he had chosen for his original ballet, nor could the persona of Elvis be depicted on stage without permission from the estate."
http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_00/may00/lh_rev_psb_0400.htm

Sounds more like an issue with permissions and royalites. And really the director of the show should have known better. You have to ask and get permission to use songs in productions. You also have to pay for their use.

I would most likely not see this show as ballet really isn't my thing but it sounds no worse than other shows/movies over the years that have included an Elvis' style character as it's lead.


I think that put's it into perspective(y)(y)

[Merry]

Right back at you then Brian...how do you know that she doesn't love him???? :hmm: Because YOU say so????




:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)(y);)



You just laid the "smack down" on somebody! And I must say, rightfully so! (y):notworthy(y)



Oh, I must agree with you...what you are saying certainly does not require brains to be stated! :angry:

You know Brian, if you "know LMP"...why don't you tell us just exactly how well you know her and how this came to be???:hmm:

And I think you should rethink your opinion of her bad*** image...I do believe she would flip you the bird in a New York minute if you tried to tell her that she does not love her father! Even if she hated him, why would she need you to tell her how she feels??? :blink::doh:

I honestly don't know where you get the idea that everything you say is "fact" and everyone else's thoughts are rubbish! :mad: That is as opinionated as it gets! So much for you supplying "facts" instead of a mere "opinion"!

(n)(n)I'm done! Some people cannot see past their own nose...why waste precious time!:mad:




I must admit, I agree with you, and I see red, here too, dearest Lea.



:angry:

[Diane]

Right back at you then Brian...how do you know that she doesn't love him???? :hmm: Because YOU say so????




:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)(y);)



You just laid the "smack down" on somebody! And I must say, rightfully so! (y):notworthy(y)



Oh, I must agree with you...what you are saying certainly does not require brains to be stated! :angry:

You know Brian, if you "know LMP"...why don't you tell us just exactly how well you know her and how this came to be???:hmm:

And I think you should rethink your opinion of her bad*** image...I do believe she would flip you the bird in a New York minute if you tried to tell her that she does not love her father! Even if she hated him, why would she need you to tell her how she feels??? :blink::doh:

I honestly don't know where you get the idea that everything you say is "fact" and everyone else's thoughts are rubbish! :mad: That is as opinionated as it gets! So much for you supplying "facts" instead of a mere "opinion"!

(n)(n)I'm done! Some people cannot see past their own nose...why waste precious time!:mad:


Personally I don't think Brian is as opinionated as he seems to be, I think it's a game to get all our feathers ruffled...pushing our buttons....power etc. and I think it's sad that someone needs attention that bad.

Diane

[Merry]

It is a fact that some people can exhibit this behavior due to to a lack of closeness to a relative. Although you might, it is not an absolute and by assuming Lisa behaves in the same manner you do for the reasons you do is excluding a person's individuality and right to their own feelings.

Some people can exhibit this behavior for numerous other reasons.

Some examples:

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name at that time - whether that second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to the event being discussed - i.e. - a person's passing, drug issues, etc.

- Too emotionally painful to say the person's name due to anger at the person's behavior - i.e. - a person upset with their spouse child, boss, etc.

- Too emotionally painfully to say the person's name due to any combination of events, feelings, etc. not stated here.

You have no right to speak for Lisa or proclaim her feelings about anything.

Life does not occur as suggested in your one-dimensional analysis. That's a no-brainer!

Besides, if you really knew LMP as you say you do, you would know she refers to her father as 'him - dad - he - Elvis - daddy' - just to piss off those Elvis fans who think they know her behavior and mind better than she does!!!

It is Lisa's journey ---- not yours!!!



You go girl!

:D

:hug:

[TotallyInsane]

It's true there are some on the board that just feel the need to make these types of posts in every thread they post in. It is sad to think people need this much attention.

And, if you really know LMP - please feel free to add to that statement!

[The King's Queen]

It's true there are some on the board that just feel the need to make these types of posts in every thread they post in. It is sad to think people need this much attention.

And, if you really know LMP - please feel free to add to that statement!

Gail...u go girl! (y);)

[Brian]

Right back at you then Brian...how do you know that she doesn't love him???? :hmm: Because YOU say so????




:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)(y);)



You just laid the "smack down" on somebody! And I must say, rightfully so! (y):notworthy(y)



Oh, I must agree with you...what you are saying certainly does not require brains to be stated! :angry:

You know Brian, if you "know LMP"...why don't you tell us just exactly how well you know her and how this came to be???:hmm:

And I think you should rethink your opinion of her bad*** image...I do believe she would flip you the bird in a New York minute if you tried to tell her that she does not love her father! Even if she hated him, why would she need you to tell her how she feels??? :blink::doh:

I honestly don't know where you get the idea that everything you say is "fact" and everyone else's thoughts are rubbish! :mad: That is as opinionated as it gets! So much for you supplying "facts" instead of a mere "opinion"!

(n)(n)I'm done! Some people cannot see past their own nose...why waste precious time!:mad:

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.

[TotallyInsane]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.

You been drinking Brian????

[Merry]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.


Hi Brian,

I'm sorry, but how can you presume to know Lisa from that type of exchange?

I've met a few people too, some of whom I have spoken with for a while now, and there isn't any way, that I would presume to know enough about them to write a book, or to pass judgement on them.

Only Elvis knew Elvis, I disagree with your statement about Peter Guralknick, because of my former statement. Everyone has different sides to them, we all bounce off different people, and react in response to how we find others, to our moods at the time, there are so many reasons why, people react differently at any given time.

[The King's Queen]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.

Meeting her a "few times in passing" does NOT make you a confirmed authority on Lisa...http://smiley.net.ru/symges061.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges2.htm)

And for the record...not all Elvis fans hold Guralnick in such high esteem either! Again, you are assuming to know what everyone thinks!!

Good luck with your plan....http://smiley.net.ru/symges015.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm)

[franny]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.

I'm sorry, but you can't really say you know Lisa Marie Presley.
Meeting her a few times isn't knowing her..

franny

[The King's Queen]

Hi Brian,

I'm sorry, but how can you presume to know Lisa from that type of exchange?

I've met a few people too, some of whom I have spoken with for a while now, and there isn't any way, that I would presume to know enough about them to write a book, or to pass judgement on them.

Only Elvis knew Elvis, I disagree with your statement about Peter Guralknick, because of my former statement. Everyone has different sides to them, we all bounce off different people, and react in response to how we find others, to our moods at the time, there are so many reasons why, people react differently at any given time.

Excellent post Kimmi!!!! :notworthy(y)(y):D

[Brian]

I'm sorry, but you can't really say you know Lisa Marie Presley.
Meeting her a few times isn't knowing her..

franny

Yes, if you meet someone you know them.

To what degree can be questioned but you know them.

[franny]

Yes, if you meet someone you know them.

To what degree can be questioned but you know them.

I don't agree, Brian.

I would even say meeting someone a few times, doesn't even really make you an acquaintance, unless you have some sort of on-going contact with them...do you have any form of contact with LMP?

franny

[Brian]

Hi Brian,

I'm sorry, but how can you presume to know Lisa from that type of exchange?

I've met a few people too, some of whom I have spoken with for a while now, and there isn't any way, that I would presume to know enough about them to write a book, or to pass judgement on them.

Only Elvis knew Elvis, I disagree with your statement about Peter Guralknick, because of my former statement. Everyone has different sides to them, we all bounce off different people, and react in response to how we find others, to our moods at the time, there are so many reasons why, people react differently at any given time.

I didn't say I know Lisa just from meeting her a few times.

I've been doing research on her for my book and I also asked her some questions in my conversations with her.
I don't know everything about her but the things that will be in my book will be truth.



I know some fans don't think Peter Guralknick is neither do I but i'd say most of the die hard fans do.

[Merry]

Thanks, dearest, Lea. So wonderful that you are here.

You know, speaking generally to those who run down Elvis and Lisa. I joined FECC just to read Sandi Miller's responses to people's posts (yes, I think Sandi is the "Ant's Pants" she is great :bye: Sandi (y):D).

Sandi said, (I paraphrase) that Elvis would respond to situations, and those who repeated the stories, didn't write the reasons WHY he reacted to these situations, to the build-up of that situation.

It is so wrong that people cut to what they find juicy, and not put anything in context.....so immature.....grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!

There :D

I feel better now. :hug: for :king::D

[Brian]

I don't agree, Brian.

I would even say meeting someone a few times, doesn't even really make you an acquaintance, unless you have some sort of on-going contact with them...do you have any form of contact with LMP?

franny

I think it would make you something of an acquiantance if you've met them over and over again.
I didn't say I was what you'd call a friend of LMP just that I had met her and knew her.
No, I haven't had ongoing contact with her but i'll probably run into her again at some point.

[Pacerstar]

Yes, if you meet someone you know them.

To what degree can be questioned but you know them.

I would say to about the degree that you claim Lisa knew her father! I'm sorry
Brian; but, I think you are way off base in your opinions on this topic.

[Brian]

I would say to about the degree that you claim Lisa knew her father! I'm sorry
Brian; but, I think you are way off base in your opinions on this topic.

no, i'm not

everything i've said is right on

If you choose not to believe what I say that's a different matter.

If I wasn't sure of what i've said I wouldn't of said it.

Some people just choose to believe in the fairytale of it all and that's okay.

[Brian]

You been drinking Brian????


Lisa Marie drinks

[The King's Queen]

I don't agree, Brian.

I would even say meeting someone a few times, doesn't even really make you an acquaintance, unless you have some sort of on-going contact with them...do you have any form of contact with LMP?

franny

(y)(y)(y)(y);)


I didn't say I know Lisa just from meeting her a few times.

I've been doing research on her for my book and I also asked her some questions in my conversations with her.
I don't know everything about her but the things that will be in my book will be truth.



Shouldn't that be considered to be a rather contradictory statement Brian????http://smiley.net.ru/symges020.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm) How can you be sure that what you put into your "book" will be fact, when you have very little contact, other than just a few words in passing, with the woman???:blink:


Thanks, dearest, Lea. So wonderful that you are here.

You know, speaking generally to those who run down Elvis and Lisa. I joined FECC just to read Sandi Miller's responses to people's posts (yes, I think Sandi is the "Ant's Pants" she is great :bye: Sandi (y):D).

Sandi said, (I paraphrase) that Elvis would respond to situations, and those who repeated the stories, didn't write the reasons WHY he reacted to these situations, to the build-up of that situation.

It is so wrong that people cut to what they find juicy, and not put anything in context.....so immature.....grrrrrrrrrr !!!!!

There

I feel better now. :hug: for :king::D

http://smiley.net.ru/symges023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm)http://smiley.net.ru/symges023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm)Thanks Kimmi!!! Glad you got that off of your chest...:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


I think it would make you something of an acquiantance if you've met them over and over again.
I didn't say I was what you'd call a friend of LMP just that I had met her and knew her.
No, I haven't had ongoing contact with her but i'll probably run into her again at some point.

And so running into her again will further your knowledge, correct??? http://smiley.net.ru/symges073.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges3.htm)

[The King's Queen]

I would say to about the degree that you claim Lisa knew her father! I'm sorry
Brian; but, I think you are way off base in your opinions on this topic.

http://smiley.net.ru/symges086.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges3.htm)http://smiley.net.ru/symges086.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges3.htm)And I think you are totally correct in your assessment!!! (y)(y)(y)


Lisa Marie drinks

And your point is....?????http://smiley.net.ru/emooth032.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth1.htm)

[Brian]

(y)(y)(y)(y);)



Shouldn't that be considered to be a rather contradictory statement Brian????http://smiley.net.ru/symges020.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm) How can you be sure that what you put into your "book" will be fact, when you have very little contact, other than just a few words in passing, with the woman???:blink:



http://smiley.net.ru/symges023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm)http://smiley.net.ru/symges023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges1.htm)Thanks Kimmi!!! Glad you got that off of your chest...:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:



And so running into her again will further your knowledge, correct??? http://smiley.net.ru/symges073.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/symges3.htm)

It simply you interview the people around her and when the times comes you
interview the person the books about.

Elvis has had thousands of books written about him but only about 2 of his biographers have actually met him

so no, it doesn't contradict.

You're statements are wrong again
I grow tired of you trying to show me up

[Merry]

no, i'm not

everything i've said is right on

If you choose not to believe what I say that's a different matter.

If I wasn't sure of what i've said I wouldn't of said it.

Some people just choose to believe in the fairytale of it all and that's okay.



Hi Brian,

Psychologists/psychiatrists who study Theology, who study human behaviour, cannot even pretend to know they know everything about a particular person.

What about Freud's opinion on older women and relationships with men?
He was one mixed up man going on that particular theory, and so very wrong, and is still used as a reference, today. LOL, some of his findings make me laugh. :lmfao:

I'm sorry, but no-one knows everything about anyone, nor can presume to know.

I haven't seen my father from a young age (and yes, I remember him from when I was really little and clearly remember things that we did, up until the age of six), and I know how it feels, to my limits only. I have no idea how Lisa, or anyone else, would feel, however, I can empathise, from my own experience.

I can also say, that a little girl, with someone whom she adores, will hold up that loved one, even if she only weighs twenty to thirty kilos - that is love! (Because, the one she loves gains strength from that love).

I have in common with Lisa that I'm a female, I haven't seen my father, but I cannot even start to presume to know anything else.

Notice I call my father "my father"? I still love him.

If you know females (or if one is one), you can start to think to get into our heads, lol. You have stated before, that you don't understand us, so with all due respect, how can you understand Lisa?

[The King's Queen]

It simply you interview the people around her and when the times comes you
interview the person the books about.

Elvis has had thousands of books written about him but only about 2 of his biographers have actually met him

so no, it doesn't contradict.

You're statements are wrong again
I grow tired of you trying to show me up

And what "IF" she refuses the interview???? Are you then going to use the word of others to justify what you deem to be "truth"????:blink::doh::doh:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: So you think I'm trying to show you up??? I'm not the one continually bragging about supposedly knowing Lisa when in truth I don't. I grow tired of you, yet again, assuming to know about my thoughts, opinions, and now my intentions. Good grief Brian...http://smiley.net.ru/bigoth0013.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/bigoth1.htm)

[Brian]

And what "IF" she refuses the interview???? Are you then going to use the word of others to justify what you deem to be "truth"????:blink::doh::doh:

:: So you think I'm trying to show you up??? I'm not the one continually bragging about supposedly knowing Lisa when in truth I don't. I grow tired of you, yet again, assuming to know about my thoughts, opinions, and now my intentions. Good grief Brian...http://smiley.net.ru/bigoth0013.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/bigoth1.htm)

She won't refuse i'll get the interview

Even if she refuses i'll write the book anyway it's been done before with other people. you obviously know nothing about writing books. Leave the book writing to me

I said I've met LMP and know her which I do.
I never said we were best friends.

i'm not bragging about anything just stating it.

I respect you it's just that on this topic you are wrong.
If I were to say you are right when you are wrong, well, that just wouldn't be right



obviously you are not wanting to have a serious and rational discussion only trying to be mean to me.
I am sad.

[Brian]

Hi Brian,

Psychologists/psychiatrists who study Theology, who study human behaviour, cannot even pretend to know they know everything about a particular person.

What about Freud's opinion on older women and relationships with men?
He was one mixed up man going on that particular theory, and so very wrong, and is still used as a reference, today. LOL, some of his findings make me laugh. :lmfao:

I'm sorry, but no-one knows everything about anyone, nor can presume to know.

I haven't seen my father from a young age (and yes, I remember him from when I was really little and clearly remember things that we did, up until the age of six), and I know how it feels, to my limits only. I have no idea how Lisa, or anyone else, would feel, however, I can empathise, from my own experience.

I can also say, that a little girl, with someone whom she adores, will hold up that loved one, even if she only weighs twenty to thirty kilos - that is love! (Because, the one she loves gains strength from that love).

I have in common with Lisa that I'm a female, I haven't seen my father, but I cannot even start to presume to know anything else.

Notice I call my father "my father"? I still love him.

If you know females (or if one is one), you can start to think to get into our heads, lol. You have stated before, that you don't understand us, so with all due respect, how can you understand Lisa?



I was not being serious about not understanding the women on this board.
I understand the women it's not that difficult



All I said was LMP was much closer to Priscilla than she ever was to Elvis
that she didn't know her father real well or have vast memories of her father like a lot fans think she does.

It should be obvious she is closer to her mother than she ever was to Elvis.

But then some people were saying that's your opinion I do not agree with that.

There is nothing to disagree about those are the facts.

But people were saying it's all opinion.

I blame the public school systems for not teaching the difference between fact and opinion.


i never claimed to know everything about LMP.

Brian is the most misunderstood individual on this site.

[May]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

.

:doh:
Oh! So you dont know her then.
I have met Priscilla a number of times. I would never state that because of these 'meetings' that I know her.:hmm:
Interesting.:hmm:

[May]

She won't refuse i'll get the interview

Even if she refuses i'll write the book anyway it's been done before with other people. you obviously know nothing about writing books. Leave the book writing to me

I said I've met LMP and know her which I do.
I never said we were best friends.

i'm not bragging about anything just stating it.

I respect you it's just that on this topic you are wrong.
If I were to say you are right when you are wrong, well, that just wouldn't be right



obviously you are not wanting to have a serious and rational discussion only trying to be mean to me.
I am sad.

You are funny Brian. :lmfao:Not sure if thats your intention though. But you make me laugh. (y):lmfao:

[The King's Queen]

She won't refuse i'll get the interview

Even if she refuses i'll write the book anyway it's been done before with other people. you obviously know nothing about writing books. Leave the book writing to me

No who is being mean?:'(:lol:

I said I've met LMP and know her which I do.
I never said we were best friends.

i'm not bragging about anything just stating it.

You don't seem to understand that there is a difference between having met someone and knowing them personally....:doh:

I respect you it's just that on this topic you are wrong.
If I were to say you are right when you are wrong, well, that just wouldn't be right

:blink::blink::blink:I respect you too Brian...but you confuse me! :doh:


obviously you are not wanting to have a serious and rational discussion only trying to be mean to me.
I am sad.

:supriced: I am never MEAN to anyone intentionally! I think you believe that when someone disagrees with you, they are being mean to you! I have been totally serious with my replies...of course, with an occasional LOL here and there...but what does that hurt? :blink: You need to realize that what you are saying is coming across differently to some of us and that is where the problem lies....:!: I will apologize for making you sad if you will apologize for driving me crazy....????:hmm:...is it a deal? :lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

Lisa Marie drinks

Yeah, and so do I. But, at least when I drink I don't get on a messageboard and say because I've met Lisa several times and talked with her that I know her!! I'm sorry that you think that this constitutes knowing someone because it simply does not! If you think that we're just dying to see what she told you in a 30 second talk while getting your picture made - well sorry but I don't think there's gonna be a line to buy your book. Now, if you tell us that you dated her, stayed with her, ate with her - ok then I'll be pre-ordering your book!!

[ricardo b. prospero]

It seems something unlikely for Lisa to do to protect the interest of her father and I totally agree with Getlo. If her intention is sincere enough why did she do it just now unless there is more what our eyes can see and our ears can hear. She is just too inconsistent and unbelievable to be true.

[TotallyInsane]

I didn't say everything that i say is fact just the stuff i've been saying in this thread about LMP

If you would like to know how I know Lisa Marie Presley

I met her a few times in passing in California she's okay.
I told her once I had been thinking about writing a book about her
We talked for a while and then exchanged goodbyes.

I'm gonna begin work on a book about Elvis and then maybe one about LMP
so since i might become LMP biographer I think it's fair to say what i've said.
Elvis fans hold what Peter Guralknick says as the absolute authourity on Elvis so it's the same thing with what I say about LMP.
I also plan to surpass the Guralknick books as the absolute authority on Elvis.


My book will be a better seller than yours!! :lmfao::lmfao:

[Brian]

My book will be a better seller than yours!!


lots of people who post on message boards have written books about Elvis

We have 3 or 4 members who were posters on the FECC who ended up writing books about Elvis.

I have publishing contacts

I think sometimes some posters spend too much time here at TCB-World and they don't get out enough.
The internet is huge don't be afraid.

I would like to sell you a copy of my book when it comes out. (seriously)

[Brian]

Yeah, and so do I. But, at least when I drink I don't get on a messageboard and say because I've met Lisa several times and talked with her that I know her!! I'm sorry that you think that this constitutes knowing someone because it simply does not! If you think that we're just dying to see what she told you in a 30 second talk while getting your picture made - well sorry but I don't think there's gonna be a line to buy your book. Now, if you tell us that you dated her, stayed with her, ate with her - ok then I'll be pre-ordering your book!!

You misunderstand

I don't drink at all.


I know who LMP is

I've met her.


I know her but i'm not friends with her
I never said that.

We've crossed paths a few times and I chatted with her for a few minutes each time I've met her.

some of you act like I said like I know her as i'm friends with her.
I don't

In showbiz circles you can meet someone a handful of times and say you know someone and it would be correct.
LMP frequently travels in those circles as everyone knows.

Even if I met you in person say 7 times I'd say that I know you.

obviously we wouldn't be bossom buddies but I'd know you.
and you would know me.
that's how it works.

[Brian]

:doh:
Oh! So you dont know her then.
I have met Priscilla a number of times. I would never state that because of these 'meetings' that I know her.:hmm:
Interesting.:hmm:

The difference is LMP would recognize me if she saw me
for some reason I leave these impressions on people that are hard to forget, sometimes good and sometimes bad.

You've met Priscilla but i'm guessing not enough for her to remember you if she saw you again.
(I met Priscilla once very briefly to just say hi, I dont know her and she don't know me. she smelled like a rainbow though.)

That's what I've been trying to get across, but sometimes I don't explain things very well.

[elvislady]

The difference is LMP would recognize me if she saw me
for some reason I leave these impressions on people that are hard to forget, sometimes good and sometimes bad.


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: just kidding brian!

elvislady:D

[May]

for some reason I leave these impressions on people that are hard to forget, sometimes good and sometimes bad.



.

Can't argue with that Brian.:lol:

Smelt like a rainbow huh? :doh: What does a rainbow smell like? :doh:

You know Brian, Im becoming rather fond of you, in your own special way. Anyone who says things like "she smelt like a rainbow" gets a (y) from me! :lol:;)

[TotallyInsane]

Can't argue with that Brian.:lol:

Smelt like a rainbow huh? :doh: What does a rainbow smell like? :doh:

You know Brian, Im becoming rather fond of you, in your own special way. Anyone who says things like "she smelt like a rainbow" gets a (y) from me! :lol:;)

I think we're about to see the "sweet" side of Brian!!!

[Diane]

Yeah I liked that "smelled like a rainbow" too...:) I see it as fresh air and a hint of flowers.:lol:

Diane

[May]

Nothing to do with a pot of gold at the end of it then???!!;)

[Diane]

Nothing to do with a pot of gold at the end of it then???!!;)

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Diane

[Merry]

(I met Priscilla once very briefly to just say hi, I dont know her and she don't know me. she smelled like a rainbow though.)

.



I like that too, lol :D (y)

[The King's Queen]

(I met Priscilla once very briefly to just say hi, I dont know her and she don't know me. she smelled like a rainbow though.)



:lmfao::lmfao:Gotta hand it to ya Brian...this one was quite funny! (y) I have never 'smelled' a rainbow, but being that most people find them to be pleasurable to look at, I'm sure you like the scent of her. Right?

I'm gonna be nice now...and give you my 'whiff' of Pris...I don't want it anyway, so you can have it! ;):lmfao::lmfao::D