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Brian
08-17-2009, 11:38 PM
Since Michael Jackson's death in late June i've heard he's already made 60 million dollars so it's likely he will surpass Elvis this year on the Forbes list on top earning dead celebrities.
More importantly I guess Michael Jackson could end up taking Elvis place as the biggest earner among dead celebs on a permanent basis.
Now to me this isn't such a big deal but for other fans it will be the reason I think he will is I remember when Kurt Cobain passed Elvis on the list a few years due to the sell of his song catalouge but Elvis was right back on top the next year well MJ was a much bigger star with a much bigger fanbase than Kobain.

So what do you all think about Michael Jackson consistently replacing Elvis as the top dead celebrity earner this year and from now on?

Do you think it's a strong possibility like me?

Dino78
08-18-2009, 02:09 AM
Well Brian,
in my mind Michael Jackson will take the first spot in this year for sure. That's natural. As you remembered Kurt Cobain. But in the long-term view I think Elvis will stay on top. Maybe next year Jackson could be the leader again but, as you know, Elvis' 75th birthday is coming along. Elvis' fanbase and his musical output is much bigger than Jackson's.

jak
08-18-2009, 03:16 AM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

TotallyInsane
08-18-2009, 03:59 AM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:(y)(y)(y)

May
08-18-2009, 04:22 AM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

Very true.
And I will never understand the whole Kurt Cobain beating Elvis issue. I mean, who was he?
(A rhetorical question!!!)

italianfan
08-18-2009, 04:51 AM
I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

That hit the nail on the head. I dont think many people want MJs face on many things but Elvis' face is perfect for everthing. I mean how many kids want MJs face on a lunchbox, but Elvis' face is different.

Also because of the variety of things Elvis did in his life, theres more of a variety for merchandise. for example, images from blue hawaii are perfect for beach towels etc. MJ never did anything like that.

I guess in a way you could say EPE has more potential to exploit Elvis, where was MJs management has very limited potential.

kathy parkinson
08-18-2009, 04:58 AM
For me personally, it's not about financial gain. I couldn't care less how much money either of them earns in the future, it's the music what counts and the person who's singing the songs and Elvis wins hands down on both accounts, no contest.

midnight
08-18-2009, 05:15 AM
Very true.
And I will never understand the whole Kurt Cobain beating Elvis issue. I mean, who was he?
(A rhetorical question!!!)

I think the reason Kurt Cobain beat Elvis that year is because his estate was sold and that put his earnings over the top. This year I am sure MJ will beat Elvis but will he beat him 32 years from now? I don't think so!

Teddy
08-18-2009, 05:28 AM
Yep, I think this year will obviously see a sharp rise in Jackson's posthumous earning power but I don't think his legacy is sustainable in the way that Elvis's is, for reasons which I've already raised on other MJ-related threads here.

One of the main reasons is that there's just a lot less product to peddle in terms of recorded material. Elvis's catalogue of music and film is vast compared to Jackson's and any rumors you've heard about vaults full of Thriller-standard Jacko music have to be absolute nonsense. Sure, there will probably be some decent unfinished tracks which are no-doubt being hastily shopped around marketable collaborators for remixing as I write, but if they were in such great supply and presentable form, then rest assured you would have heard them already- Sony do actually want to make back some of the fortune they spent on the guy in recent years and they haven't been waiting for him to die to do it, all cynicism aside.

Also, Elvis's ability to crossover markets is greater than Jackson's. As an interpretive singer, Elvis took pride in his adaptability of style and breadth of range as he tackled material from a huge variety of sources throughout his career. By contrast the adult Jackson was a relative one-trick-pony, albeit an instantly-recognizable and brilliant trick, depending upon how much you appreciate breathy squeaks and ubiquitous "hee-heeee"s. This might not seem that important, but when you consider the manner in which expired vocalists' performances are sold and consumed in recent years, often alongside a current artist in a completely different audio environment than the original recording, then Elvis' flexibility becomes an attractive asset. I'm not saying that posthumous collaborations aren't available to Michael, only that they're just as limited as his back-catalogue.

Speaking of which, most people who weren't massive fans, but still liked Michael enough to not be put off by the child-molestation allegations, bought his 2003 'Number Ones' package at the time, and the ones who didn't acquired the content shortly after discovering he was dead, so that's a massive potential market who've already shot-their-bolt as far as his sales of existing music is concerned for quite a while. Of course music can be 'sold' in different ways- we'll get around to that later.

As for the child-molestation itself, while he was never actually convicted of such a thing, and the majority 'on the fence' about his alleged guilt have adopted a selective amnesia for the purpose of his mourning, I suspect that this is a temporary atmosphere of clemency. Now that the funereal circus is over, there is already a kind of stunned apathy emerging which is likely to give way to the same old misgivings about his suspected guilt. Except worse, because people are beginning to feel guilty themselves for eulogizing him. That really doesn't bode well for long-term marketability. You only have to talk to the man in the street.
This unfortunate association originally kept product endorsements at bay and Jackson almost completely off the radio for years, so in the obvious absence of any forthcoming live appearances, and most domestic music consumers already in possession of any tracks which they were ever likely to buy, the salability of his music is greatly compromised, despite any residual acceptance while he isn't presenting any immediate threat to children(!) ;)

Remember, from a 'profile' perspective, Michael's alleged child-abuse has been more relevant than his music since 1993. That's almost the duration of the entire second half of his solo career.

If Graceland relied exclusively upon hardcore Elvis fans to make up it's attendance figures it probably would have closed years ago. It remains one of the most successful tourist attractions of all time because there's something about Elvis which appeals even to those who aren't yet fully initiated. At the very least, even non-fans can say they've visited the famous home of the world's original pioneer of popular music. Compare this to the Jacko connotations which almost prohibit his music from a significant proportion of the people who actually like it. Who wants to say they visited 'the infamous suspected crime-scene of the world's highest-profile alleged pedophile'? I really don't see Neverland replicating Graceland's enduring success, since even a faction of his most stalwart fans consider it his nemesis.

Plans for releasing footage of the This Is It rehearsals have a limited shelf-life of profitability, since the sequences were not intended for public consumption and therefore deliberately 'underperformed' to conserve what remained of Jackson's energy for the actual shows. After the initial morbid curiosity has been satisfied, there is unlikely to be a lucrative long-term appeal to the content. We're not talking about the Comeback Special or Aloha here. It's going to be hard enough to package it, never mind re-package it!

For what it's worth, I thought Michael Jackson was an amazing artist and I always had serious doubts about his guilt, but the question here is about his posthumous earning potential, and this is what we have to work with. Especially while he doesn't own the exclusive rights on sales of sequined gloves and fedora hats.

Albert
08-18-2009, 05:56 AM
Elvis will remain to be the most earning dead artist forever (besides this year). I don't count the money that MJ earns (or does not earn) on the Beatles musicrights. That's not really his earning as an artist, but as an investor.

Elvis' catalogues can cater so much more people: from old to young, from christians to non believers, to bee-boppers to people liking the big Las Vegas ballads, Elvis has it all (besides dance/disco). Elvis' image is also much easier to exploit than Michael's for merchandise.

And Elvis 'has' Graceland, while MJ doesn't even own Neverland. If the Jackson want to loan his body to the new owners of Neverland to create a sort of Graceland (as they want), than those profits will be lower than those of Graceland. Neverland really is in the middle of nowhereland with little to none facilities for the people who go there.

He won't even surpass Elvis' sales: he has way to few albums released to battle with Elvis. You can find hundreds and hundreds of different ELvis cd's and LP's from low to highbudget, from exclusive compilations to millionselling original albums.

If you multiply the number of sold Thriller albums times the amount of albums released by Michael Jackson, you still have a smaller number of sales than what Michael Jacksons management (and record company) claim. That rumoured number is living it's own life (just as the 'billion people around the world watching the Aloha' claim).

midnight
08-18-2009, 05:58 AM
All I can say is (y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Teddy! Excellent post.

TotallyInsane
08-18-2009, 05:59 AM
All I can say is (y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Teddy! Excellent post.

Ditto!!!! (y)(y)(y)

malc07
08-18-2009, 06:00 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly.

TotallyInsane
08-18-2009, 06:00 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly.


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :notworthy:notworthy
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

midnight
08-18-2009, 06:07 AM
So true Sonny. All ages can relate to and enjoy Elvis' music. There is something for everyone. Kids in my Kindergarten class love his songs such as "Teddy Bear" and my 86 year old grandmother loves his gospel. Michael Jackson do not have the variety of music that can be enjoyed by so many different types of people. I often visit some "Personal Care " homes for the elderly and many times I can hear Elvis' gospel music playing in the background. I have yet to hear "Beat It" or "Thriller".

midnight
08-18-2009, 06:11 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly.

You said it Malc!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

Who could you sit and listen to on a radio show for 5 hours without getting a headache? Only Elvis and of course Malc!(y)

malc07
08-18-2009, 06:21 AM
:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)(y) KIM.Thankyou(y)

Teddy
08-18-2009, 07:46 AM
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...


I think most regulars at this forum would agree that Carradine, Fawcett and Jackson were just a warm up for the main event of the summer, in grieving terms.
With Elvis already gone, there was nowhere else to go for the headliner.

Diane
08-18-2009, 07:47 AM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

You're sense of humor is always great but this was really really good!(y):lol:

Diane

Diane
08-18-2009, 07:51 AM
Elvis will remain to be the most earning dead artist forever (besides this year). I don't count the money that MJ earns (or does not earn) on the Beatles musicrights. That's not really his earning as an artist, but as an investor.

Elvis' catalogues can cater so much more people: from old to young, from christians to non believers, to bee-boppers to people liking the big Las Vegas ballads, Elvis has it all (besides dance/disco). Elvis' image is also much easier to exploit than Michael's for merchandise.

And Elvis 'has' Graceland, while MJ doesn't even own Neverland. If the Jackson want to loan his body to the new owners of Neverland to create a sort of Graceland (as they want), than those profits will be lower than those of Graceland. Neverland really is in the middle of nowhereland with little to none facilities for the people who go there.

He won't even surpass Elvis' sales: he has way to few albums released to battle with Elvis. You can find hundreds and hundreds of different ELvis cd's and LP's from low to highbudget, from exclusive compilations to millionselling original albums.

If you multiply the number of sold Thriller albums times the amount of albums released by Michael Jackson, you still have a smaller number of sales than what Michael Jacksons management (and record company) claim. That rumoured number is living it's own life (just as the 'billion people around the world watching the Aloha' claim).

I totally agree.(y)(y)(y)(y)

Diane

john carpenter
08-18-2009, 07:56 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly. I agree with ya' Mate!(y) Why ain't you at work?:hmm::lmfao:

Pacerstar
08-18-2009, 08:00 AM
For me personally, it's not about financial gain. I couldn't care less how much money either of them earns in the future, it's the music what counts and the person who's singing the songs and Elvis wins hands down on both accounts, no contest.

I agree with what you say, totally.(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

The King's Queen
08-18-2009, 08:22 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly.

(y)(y)(y) You said it all my friend!! :notworthy:notworthy:D




Yep, I think this year will obviously see a sharp rise in Jackson's posthumous earning power but I don't think his legacy is sustainable in the way that Elvis's is, for reasons which I've already raised on other MJ-related threads here.

One of the main reasons is that there's just a lot less product to peddle in terms of recorded material. Elvis's catalogue of music and film is vast compared to Jackson's and any rumors you've heard about vaults full of Thriller-standard Jacko music have to be absolute nonsense. Sure, there will probably be some decent unfinished tracks which are no-doubt being hastily shopped around marketable collaborators for remixing as I write, but if they were in such great supply and presentable form, then rest assured you would have heard them already- Sony do actually want to make back some of the fortune they spent on the guy in recent years and they haven't been waiting for him to die to do it, all cynicism aside.

Also, Elvis's ability to crossover markets is greater than Jackson's. As an interpretive singer, Elvis took pride in his adaptability of style and breadth of range as he tackled material from a huge variety of sources throughout his career. By contrast the adult Jackson was a relative one-trick-pony, albeit an instantly-recognizable and brilliant trick, depending upon how much you appreciate breathy squeaks and ubiquitous "hee-heeee"s. This might not seem that important, but when you consider the manner in which expired vocalists' performances are sold and consumed in recent years, often alongside a current artist in a completely different audio environment than the original recording, then Elvis' flexibility becomes an attractive asset. I'm not saying that posthumous collaborations aren't available to Michael, only that they're just as limited as his back-catalogue.

Speaking of which, most people who weren't massive fans, but still liked Michael enough to not be put off by the child-molestation allegations, bought his 2003 'Number Ones' package at the time, and the ones who didn't acquired the content shortly after discovering he was dead, so that's a massive potential market who've already shot-their-bolt as far as his sales of existing music is concerned for quite a while. Of course music can be 'sold' in different ways- we'll get around to that later.

As for the child-molestation itself, while he was never actually convicted of such a thing, and the majority 'on the fence' about his alleged guilt have adopted a selective amnesia for the purpose of his mourning, I suspect that this is a temporary atmosphere of clemency. Now that the funereal circus is over, there is already a kind of stunned apathy emerging which is likely to give way to the same old misgivings about his suspected guilt. Except worse, because people are beginning to feel guilty themselves for eulogizing him. That really doesn't bode well for long-term marketability. You only have to talk to the man in the street.
This unfortunate association originally kept product endorsements at bay and Jackson almost completely off the radio for years, so in the obvious absence of any forthcoming live appearances, and most domestic music consumers already in possession of any tracks which they were ever likely to buy, the salability of his music is greatly compromised, despite any residual acceptance while he isn't presenting any immediate threat to children(!) ;)

Remember, from a 'profile' perspective, Michael's alleged child-abuse has been more relevant than his music since 1993. That's almost the duration of the entire second half of his solo career.

If Graceland relied exclusively upon hardcore Elvis fans to make up it's attendance figures it probably would have closed years ago. It remains one of the most successful tourist attractions of all time because there's something about Elvis which appeals even to those who aren't yet fully initiated. At the very least, even non-fans can say they've visited the famous home of the world's original pioneer of popular music. Compare this to the Jacko connotations which almost prohibit his music from a significant proportion of the people who actually like it. Who wants to say they visited 'the infamous suspected crime-scene of the world's highest-profile alleged pedophile'? I really don't see Neverland replicating Graceland's enduring success, since even a faction of his most stalwart fans consider it his nemesis.

Plans for releasing footage of the This Is It rehearsals have a limited shelf-life of profitability, since the sequences were not intended for public consumption and therefore deliberately 'underperformed' to conserve what remained of Jackson's energy for the actual shows. After the initial morbid curiosity has been satisfied, there is unlikely to be a lucrative long-term appeal to the content. We're not talking about the Comeback Special or Aloha here. It's going to be hard enough to package it, never mind re-package it!

For what it's worth, I thought Michael Jackson was an amazing artist and I always had serious doubts about his guilt, but the question here is about his posthumous earning potential, and this is what we have to work with. Especially while he doesn't own the exclusive rights on sales of sequined gloves and fedora hats.

My fedora is off to you on this one pal! :notworthy:notworthy(y):D

Teddy
08-18-2009, 08:28 AM
My fedora is off to you on this one pal! :notworthy:notworthy(y):D

:lol: Thanks http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0416.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/misanm12.htm)

May
08-18-2009, 08:37 AM
Yep, I think this year will obviously see a sharp rise in Jackson's posthumous earning power but I don't think his legacy is sustainable in the way that Elvis's is, for reasons which I've already raised on other MJ-related threads here.

One of the main reasons is that there's just a lot less product to peddle in terms of recorded material. Elvis's catalogue of music and film is vast compared to Jackson's and any rumors you've heard about vaults full of Thriller-standard Jacko music have to be absolute nonsense. Sure, there will probably be some decent unfinished tracks which are no-doubt being hastily shopped around marketable collaborators for remixing as I write, but if they were in such great supply and presentable form, then rest assured you would have heard them already- Sony do actually want to make back some of the fortune they spent on the guy in recent years and they haven't been waiting for him to die to do it, all cynicism aside.

Also, Elvis's ability to crossover markets is greater than Jackson's. As an interpretive singer, Elvis took pride in his adaptability of style and breadth of range as he tackled material from a huge variety of sources throughout his career. By contrast the adult Jackson was a relative one-trick-pony, albeit an instantly-recognizable and brilliant trick, depending upon how much you appreciate breathy squeaks and ubiquitous "hee-heeee"s. This might not seem that important, but when you consider the manner in which expired vocalists' performances are sold and consumed in recent years, often alongside a current artist in a completely different audio environment than the original recording, then Elvis' flexibility becomes an attractive asset. I'm not saying that posthumous collaborations aren't available to Michael, only that they're just as limited as his back-catalogue.

Speaking of which, most people who weren't massive fans, but still liked Michael enough to not be put off by the child-molestation allegations, bought his 2003 'Number Ones' package at the time, and the ones who didn't acquired the content shortly after discovering he was dead, so that's a massive potential market who've already shot-their-bolt as far as his sales of existing music is concerned for quite a while. Of course music can be 'sold' in different ways- we'll get around to that later.

As for the child-molestation itself, while he was never actually convicted of such a thing, and the majority 'on the fence' about his alleged guilt have adopted a selective amnesia for the purpose of his mourning, I suspect that this is a temporary atmosphere of clemency. Now that the funereal circus is over, there is already a kind of stunned apathy emerging which is likely to give way to the same old misgivings about his suspected guilt. Except worse, because people are beginning to feel guilty themselves for eulogizing him. That really doesn't bode well for long-term marketability. You only have to talk to the man in the street.
This unfortunate association originally kept product endorsements at bay and Jackson almost completely off the radio for years, so in the obvious absence of any forthcoming live appearances, and most domestic music consumers already in possession of any tracks which they were ever likely to buy, the salability of his music is greatly compromised, despite any residual acceptance while he isn't presenting any immediate threat to children(!) ;)

Remember, from a 'profile' perspective, Michael's alleged child-abuse has been more relevant than his music since 1993. That's almost the duration of the entire second half of his solo career.

If Graceland relied exclusively upon hardcore Elvis fans to make up it's attendance figures it probably would have closed years ago. It remains one of the most successful tourist attractions of all time because there's something about Elvis which appeals even to those who aren't yet fully initiated. At the very least, even non-fans can say they've visited the famous home of the world's original pioneer of popular music. Compare this to the Jacko connotations which almost prohibit his music from a significant proportion of the people who actually like it. Who wants to say they visited 'the infamous suspected crime-scene of the world's highest-profile alleged pedophile'? I really don't see Neverland replicating Graceland's enduring success, since even a faction of his most stalwart fans consider it his nemesis.

Plans for releasing footage of the This Is It rehearsals have a limited shelf-life of profitability, since the sequences were not intended for public consumption and therefore deliberately 'underperformed' to conserve what remained of Jackson's energy for the actual shows. After the initial morbid curiosity has been satisfied, there is unlikely to be a lucrative long-term appeal to the content. We're not talking about the Comeback Special or Aloha here. It's going to be hard enough to package it, never mind re-package it!

For what it's worth, I thought Michael Jackson was an amazing artist and I always had serious doubts about his guilt, but the question here is about his posthumous earning potential, and this is what we have to work with. Especially while he doesn't own the exclusive rights on sales of sequined gloves and fedora hats.

So, was that a "no" then teddy? :doh::lmfao::lmfao:

Teddy
08-18-2009, 08:45 AM
So, was that a "no" then teddy? :doh::lmfao::lmfao:

Something like that ;)
Hey, I was bedridden for days and this was the first thread I saw. :blush:

GIORGIA
08-18-2009, 08:50 AM
I personally dont think MJ will EVER reach the scale that Elvis has.....
and from what I see here in the UK...MJ has already been forgotten....
The Passing of our Dearly loved Friend Rosanne.has created a bigger outpouring of grief and loss than MJ...and quite rightly so...in a short while MJ will be a hasbeen...But Rosanne will ALWAYS be remembered..just Like Our ELVIS....2 very special Unique people.who we MISS Dearly.(y)(y)(y)(y)

GIORGIA
08-18-2009, 08:53 AM
For me personally, it's not about financial gain. I couldn't care less how much money either of them earns in the future, it's the music what counts and the person who's singing the songs and Elvis wins hands down on both accounts, no contest.
(y)(y)(y)(y)
I totally agree with you,Kathy!

easyrider
08-18-2009, 09:13 AM
I dont think (y)(y)

debtdbruno
08-18-2009, 09:44 AM
Cracking post Teddy, very well put


Deb

Lisarose
08-18-2009, 10:23 AM
Well put, Teddy, and NO, MJ will not surpass Elvis after this first year. Any more than Kurt Cobain [who?] or John Lennon.
Now then, will everyone be making fun of MJ's sequined socks, glove and outer thong as they do the Elvis jumpsuit?

Junebug
08-18-2009, 10:42 AM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

:lol::lol::lol:

You do have a point there!

I can't say I've thought about it in that way!!!

Brian
08-18-2009, 11:11 AM
Very true.
And I will never understand the whole Kurt Cobain beating Elvis issue. I mean, who was he?
(A rhetorical question!!!)

Kurt Cobain's widow Courtney Love sold part of his sold catalog for 50 million that resulted in him beating Elvis for one year back in 2005.

May
08-18-2009, 11:33 AM
A rhetorical question, Brian.

Tommy
08-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Well that depends, things cost more these days.

Brian
08-18-2009, 11:38 AM
A rhetorical question, Brian.

oh, I thought you meant the part of your post that was rhetorical was asking who Kurt Cobain was.

Lisarose
08-18-2009, 11:50 AM
oh, I thought you meant the part of your post that was rhetorical was asking who Kurt Cobain was.

Just curious, Brian, what # did K C fall to in 2006? Do you know?

KPM
08-18-2009, 12:24 PM
I dont think MJ will maintain the top spot on a regular basis.After the initial surge he will fade.I dont think he's as merchandise "friendly" as Elvis is.Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?
That might be the perfect marketing tool-Pepper for the early years and salt for the later "remade MJ"......

I think Joe Jackson is money hungry and I can see him squeezing every last dollar out of any situation which will make money.
Its my understanding that MJ had hundreds of unreleased songs in the can-which could be the difference in who makes the most each year.
But we will see how loyal and long lasting the fans of MJ are in the next 10 years.

Diane
08-18-2009, 12:36 PM
Now then, will everyone be making fun of MJ's sequined socks, glove and outer thong as they do the Elvis jumpsuit?

Oh yeah:)

Diane

Lisarose
08-18-2009, 12:55 PM
That might be the perfect marketing tool-Pepper for the early years and salt for the later "remade MJ"......


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: Oh my! Let me. . .catch. . .my breath! :notworthy

jak
08-18-2009, 01:12 PM
Everybody made good comments and observations on this topic.Another thing about Elvis' staying power is the fact he truly has become more than just an icon.Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.I think even new fans feel that way.He was the first global superstar.Nobody can beat or top that.You always remember youre first right?Elvis just keeps going and going.He was the total package.A marketing dream and deservedly so.Nobody can compare with Elvis when it's all said and done.

kathy parkinson
08-18-2009, 01:35 PM
Everybody made good comments and observations on this topic.Another thing about Elvis' staying power is the fact he truly has become more than just an icon.Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.I think even new fans feel that way.He was the first global superstar.Nobody can beat or top that.You always remember youre first right?Elvis just keeps going and going.He was the total package.A marketing dream and deservedly so.Nobody can compare with Elvis when it's all said and done. (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

KPM
08-18-2009, 01:37 PM
Everybody made good comments and observations on this topic.Another thing about Elvis' staying power is the fact he truly has become more than just an icon.Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.I think even new fans feel that way.He was the first global superstar.Nobody can beat or top that.You always remember youre first right?Elvis just keeps going and going.He was the total package.A marketing dream and deservedly so.Nobody can compare with Elvis when it's all said and done.
My feelings exactly(y)(y)(y)

Brian
08-18-2009, 03:00 PM
Just curious, Brian, what # did K C fall to in 2006? Do you know?

Kurt Cobain fell to #4.

Diane
08-18-2009, 03:22 PM
Everybody made good comments and observations on this topic.Another thing about Elvis' staying power is the fact he truly has become more than just an icon.Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.I think even new fans feel that way.He was the first global superstar.Nobody can beat or top that.You always remember youre first right?Elvis just keeps going and going.He was the total package.A marketing dream and deservedly so.Nobody can compare with Elvis when it's all said and done.

Absolutely(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Diane

Wonder Of You
08-18-2009, 04:07 PM
i think michael wont
elvis is perfect for everything
who wants a Michael Jackson Plate
then when ur done eating u scared to death hahaha
no just kidding i have respect for michael but no i think elvis stays on top

Wendy56
08-18-2009, 06:44 PM
Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.
Elvis was attacked back in the 50s and also in 70s (for drugs and stuff), but he went over all that and became part of the US essence. Michael went tru a smilar situation and I'm sure his fans will keep him. So he will turn eventually into something similar to Elvis.
Both made huge developments in music and pop culture. Different generations, different moments.

Records are just "records" what's most important is Michael's and Elvis' legacy to their fans. :hug:

KEVIN WILDE
08-19-2009, 06:57 AM
I'M SICK OF MJ,I'M TIRED OF HIM BEING MADE OUT TO BE EQUAL TO ELVIS HE'LL NEVER BE EQUAL IN MY EYES,FOR ONE ELVIS NEVER HAD A THANG FOR LITTLE BOYS COME ON PEOPLE LETS NOT FORGET THAT

The King's Queen
08-19-2009, 08:12 AM
That might be the perfect marketing tool-Pepper for the early years and salt for the later "remade MJ"......

I think Joe Jackson is money hungry and I can see him squeezing every last dollar out of any situation which will make money.
Its my understanding that MJ had hundreds of unreleased songs in the can-which could be the difference in who makes the most each year.
But we will see how loyal and long lasting the fans of MJ are in the next 10 years.

(y)(y)(y)(y)I can't see any fans being more loyal than Elvis' fans are! (y)(y)(y)


Everybody made good comments and observations on this topic.Another thing about Elvis' staying power is the fact he truly has become more than just an icon.Elvis' legacy is wrapped up in our culture.It's like he's always been with us forever.I think even new fans feel that way.He was the first global superstar.Nobody can beat or top that.You always remember youre first right?Elvis just keeps going and going.He was the total package.A marketing dream and deservedly so.Nobody can compare with Elvis when it's all said and done.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy(y)(y)

Donut
08-19-2009, 08:35 AM
Who wants MJ salt and pepper shakers on the table when youre trying to eat?

But who wouldn't want school supplies with MJ's face stamped on them? :lol:


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Teddy
08-19-2009, 08:37 AM
I see where you're going with this one, Cake.
My daughter had Sesame Street characters on some of her diapers.
Why not Jacko's face? :hmm:

Donut
08-19-2009, 08:47 AM
I see where you're going with this one, Cake.
My daughter had Sesame Street characters on some of her diapers.
Why not Jacko's face? :hmm:

You have such a twisted mind that I'm afraid to ask you what you mean...

Hominuk
08-19-2009, 09:35 AM
MJ might surpass Elvis at first....only because of his recent death....

Unchained Melody
08-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Who cares Brian if MJ did surpass him (which he won't). If your an Elvis fan, stuff like that wouldn't bother you a-tall even if he did surpass Elvis...

Brian
08-19-2009, 12:19 PM
Who cares Brian if MJ did surpass him (which he won't). If your an Elvis fan, stuff like that wouldn't bother you a-tall even if he did surpass Elvis...

Thanks for your opinion

However if you read what I said carefully in my original post I said it didn't matter to me if MJ surpasses Elvis.
There are a lot more important accolades.
I was asking if anyone thought it was a possibilty that MJ would surpass Elvis permanently and for people's thoughts, feelings, and opinions on the subject.
To some fans it is important to them that Elvis maintain this record and that's okay.

Unchained Melody
08-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Thanks for your opinion

However if you read what I said carefully in my original post I said it didn't matter to me if MJ surpasses Elvis.
There are a lot more important accolades.
I was asking if anyone thought it was a possibilty that MJ would surpass Elvis permanently and for people's thoughts, feelings, and opinions on the subject.
To some fans it is important to them that Elvis maintain this record and that's okay.

Oh okay I read you loud and clear.

Wouldn't mater at all to me whether he does or doesn't surpass E.:)