Lisa Marie's Ex Dead

[Elvis.com]

CNN just confirmed that Michael Jackson, King of Pop has died of cardiac arrest at the age of 50 in Los Angeles at 2:26 PM LA Time.


This is what Wikipedia says on the relationship between Lisa Marie and Michael...

Link To Original Article (http://www.elvisnews.com/news.aspx/lisa-maries-ex-dead/11820)

[Cal Pessoa]

Here in Brazil, the news came in the evening. The Brazilians are shocked! Looks lie!

[Eve]

in Germany the people also shocked!!!
R.I.P.

[SunStudios54]

in Wisconsin the people are shocked. Some say it's going to be like Elvis' death, but frankly i feel worse for Farrah Fawcett

[TCB4ELVIS]

It was just like Elvis' death. The cause was prescribed medication. No doubt about it. They said he wasn't breathing when the fire department got there. That meant he was dead at arrival, just like Elvis they kept it from the media. TMZ announced him dead hours ago.

[Tony Trout]

It was just like Elvis' death. The cause was prescribed medication. No doubt about it. They said he wasn't breathing when the fire department got there. That meant he was dead at arrival, just like Elvis they kept it from the media. TMZ announced him dead hours ago.

The cause of death has not been determined. An autopsy will be performed tomorrow to determine the cause.

And as far as it being as 'big' as Elvis's death announcement (and the accompanying grief by the fans), I 100% disagree with that statement because we all know the accusations that Michael had thrown at him and I'm pretty sure that we'll be hearing 'bout those allegations in the coming weeks after this is all over with.

The person I feel bad for is Elizabeth Taylor...she seems to outlive everyone else that she cares very deeply for....

[Brian]

They are saying right now it appears to be natural causes

Apparently Michael Jackson health had been failing the last 4-5 years or so it's being reported right now.

[Getlo]

Michael Jackson, King of Pop

Self-proclaimed King of Pop, thank you.


frankly i feel worse for Farrah Fawcett

As do I. Far more sadder a death.

Mark my words: in the next few hours/days, the conspiracy theories will spring up.

MJ faked his death. MJ was murdered. There's a cover-up. Ho hum.

A highly significant artist, to be sure, but a man well past his use-by date. Had he lived to be an old man, his career would never have taken off again. And can you imagine what he would have looked like had he lived to see old age?

Whatever, this will be the most significant and shocking musical death since you-know-who.

Roll on, the media coverage. I am always fascinated when celebrities die and how the world reacts. Stay tuned.

[elvisfan92]

ok the guy on the tv right now said "Michael was bigger than elvis" what do you guys respond to that

personally i don't think so, i'm not denying michael was huge but to say that he was bigger than elvis?

[shelley.m.]

ok the guy on the tv right now said "Michael was bigger than elvis" what do you guys respond to that

personally i don't think so, i'm not denying michael was huge but to say that he was bigger than elvis?

Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now.I'm not knocking the guy but he wasn't my cup of tea.

[molokai123]

Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now.I'm not knocking the guy but he wasn't my cup of tea.

im no big mj fan but, people will still remeber him 30+ years from now,he was a great artist,as for him being bigger then Elvis u know the media and people everyone is always bigger then Elvis Blah blah blah,but yet everyone always gets compared to Elvis,so what does that tell you, Elvis wil always be big! on a side note i was wathcing cnn earlier and the were talking to sum guy and he said "john lennnon and michael jackson started it all, :doh: sum people are just very very uninformed.

[TCB4ELVIS]

ok the guy on the tv right now said "Michael was bigger than elvis" what do you guys respond to that

personally i don't think so, i'm not denying michael was huge but to say that he was bigger than elvis?

There is NO WAY he was bigger than Elvis. Micheal was an excellent singer when he was younger but he in no way reached a maturity level vocally like Elvis did in his later years. Micheal's voice just got groggily in his later live clips.

I also agree with GETLO about being a self proclaimed, KING OF POP,didn't he have Liz Taylor do it for him?

[molokai123]

There is NO WAY he was bigger than Elvis. Micheal was an excellent singer when he was younger but he in no way reached a maturity level vocally like Elvis did in his later years. Micheal's voice just got groggily in his later live clips.

I also agree with GETLO about being a self proclaimed, KING OF POP,didn't he have Liz Taylor do it for him?

i agree with you there my friend!(y)

[kchick]

Let's just forget about whether or not one agreed with what that guy said. You took that quote out of all the other things been said today as if no one would get riled up about it.... well luckily it somewhat failed

Yes people will remember him, always, no matter how much some want otherwise. Umm honey he WAS/IS the King of Pop and will always be, I see just like another poster said, that some E fans are gonna need some thick skin, given that they never regarded Michael for anything, thinking he was a little too big for his deserving and that was before Lisa and both trials and accusations. It's starting to kinda look like the argument with old heads with Aretha and the new ones with Whitney and Mariah & Mary J when they first came on the scene or should I say with some 'round here, like Etta James and Beyonce. Acting real messy Ettaish :hmm:

[molokai123]

i hope your not refering to me about sumthing,but i guessi should have been clearer with which part i was agreeing with which was"Micheal was an excellent singer when he was younger but he in no way reached a maturity level vocally like Elvis did in his later years." as for him being bigger then Elvis they were both great talents,that died way before they should have is a big loss for all music fans, but like i told a friend earlier man heaven is haveing one heck of a concert up there =D

[TCB4ELVIS]

It always seemed to me that MJ just took the Jailhouse Rock performance number from the movie and came up with a 2 hour concert production of it. In my opinion, Elvis was the KING OF POP in 1957, He took that commercial step in mixing his rebelliousness with main stream America. It hasn't changed much since the THRILLER video. I just believe that Micheal Jackson and Madonna both set the pop music trend we have today. No one has stepped up to the stage and changed it up yet but in my opinion, it all would not have been possible without Jailhouse Rock.

[kchick]

i hope your not refering to me about sumthing,but i guessi should have been clearer with which part i was agreeing with which was"Micheal was an excellent singer when he was younger but he in no way reached a maturity level vocally like Elvis did in his later years." as for him being bigger then Elvis they were both great talents,that died way before they should have is a big loss for all music fans, but like i told a friend earlier man heaven is haveing one heck of a concert up there =D


Actually I was referring to a few others including the one who brought up the quote and right before you, infact. No the other ones who want to think that he was just rubbish or something, no he may have not been the artist that Elvis was but he was not no rollover by ANY means.

[elvia7]

Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now.I'm not knocking the guy but he wasn't my cup of tea.


"Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now"
Maybe yes, maybe no...I don't care, for me M.J was GREAT ARTIST, that's all what could I say, and sometime He was my cup of coffe :) :'(

[FB-JC-474]

I didn't like his music but it's sad that he's dead.

50 years of age isn' t the time to go...

[riley]

he sure was no Elvis. In 30 years noone will even speak of him again

[dj_ethan]

R.I.P Michael !

YouTube - Michael Jackson - Don't stop till you get enough

[celine]

I was no big fan either but I am 100% sure that people will remember him in 30 years or more. Just as they remember John Lennon or Mahalia Jackson for example. They all have their fans who are dedicated to them.
Michael was a great singer and sure had talent. Wether you like his music or not. This cannot be denied.
As being bigger than Elvis .... absolutely NOT. BUt this, of course, is the opinion of an Elvis fan, Michael fans think differently, I am sure about that. And that is their right.

[DIAMOND1871]

I am shocked to hear about Michael I cant believe it! you cannot take it away from him he was a exceptional performer and a very talented artist far to young to die very similar circumstances to the death of Elvis, massive heart attack'dying at home'and just getting ready to embark on another Tour.

Aside from that he produced great Tunes and God Bless him R.I.P Michael.

[Teddy]

When I discovered a month ago that Michael was only contractually obliged to sing for 13 minutes during each of his 50 forthcoming London dates, I had a suspicion that they wouldn't be happening at all, one way or another.

He has a HIStory of backing out of shows for various imaginative reasons but this time he's really gone out of his way to avoid playing! :blush:
Usually he would send cheques to the ticket holders, knowing that hardly any would cash them in, leaving him with a pile of money for doing nothing.

It had already been speculated that the secondary ticketing industry (exchanges, hospitality, touts etc) here would be sunk if Jackson bottled this residency at the O2 Arena. There are tears of a different kind flowing in many London homes this morning.

Conspiracy theories? They started long before last night's news.
I'm just waiting to see how they tie it all together.

[elvia7]

R.I.P Michael !

YouTube - Michael Jackson - Don't stop till you get enough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPTDU40hO4)


Thank you Ethan
http://w790.wrzuta.pl/sr/d/0YZVR8M816w/michael_jackson
:'(

[Elviskid80]

I Never Cared For Him Or His Music . He Practiclly Stole All His Moves From Elvis. Yet They Say Elvis Stole Everything From Black Music .The Tv Special Elvis Lives A Few Years Back Said And I Quote( All Of Todays Artists Including Jackson Stole Abit Of Elvis ' Moves . He Will Never Be Half The Legend Elvis Is And Was. Im Sorry But I Don't Think He Was Talented And He Was Not The King Of Anything Except Maybe The King Of Liers .T.C.B Elvis For Ever

[dj_ethan]

YouTube - MJNews - Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary "Moonwalk" The First Time !

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[elvia7]

I Never Cared For Him Or His Music . He Practiclly Stole All His Moves From Elvis. Yet They Say Elvis Stole Everything From Black Music .The Tv Special Elvis Lives A Few Years Back Said And I Quote( All Of Todays Artists Including Jackson Stole Abit Of Elvis ' Moves . He Will Never Be Half The Legend Elvis Is And Was. Im Sorry But I Don't Think He Was Talented And He Was Not The King Of Anything Except Maybe The King Of Liers .T.C.B Elvis For Ever

Hi Don, you drawind Elvis? I try, because my all love belong to HIM.
http://www.tcb-world.com/picture.php?albumid=269&pictureid=12289
But Michael Jackson are (was) BIG ARTIST. (y)
'The King Of Liers';) - For what such big hatred?:supriced:
OUR ELVIS STILL ARE THE BEST!!!!:)
http://www.tcb-world.com/picture.php?albumid=269&pictureid=3832
(y)(y)(y)

[elvia7]

YouTube - MJNews - Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIE3Rz6IgE)

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary "Moonwalk" The First Time !

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Ethan, I just finish wath on movie '"Moonwalker"(y)(y)(y)

Thank you for the photo, I soon put something special on A.A :)(y)

[TCB4ELVIS]

YouTube - MJNews - Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIE3Rz6IgE)

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean Motown 25th Anniversary "Moonwalk" The First Time !

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Fake marriage. Publicity stunt to boost Elvis and Micheal's new History CD.
She came off like a faghag to me. He just always came off as very strange around women.

[molokai123]

Actually I was referring to a few others including the one who brought up the quote and right before you, infact. No the other ones who want to think that he was just rubbish or something, no he may have not been the artist that Elvis was but he was not no rollover by ANY means.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y):notworthy:king:(y)

[buttonhead]

I liked MJ when he was with The Jackson 5... when he sang that song : Ben... it moves me everytime i listens to it... remember the song 'Billy Jean'... at work me and couple of ladies at work would sang that song for shit and giggles and tried hard to impersonate his moonwalk...

RIP Michael, I know you will be missed..

Not as much as Elvis :) but he will be ... he is special for people who appreciate his music...

thats all I can say about that .

[TCB4ELVIS]

When I discovered a month ago that Michael was only contractually obliged to sing for 13 minutes during each of his 50 forthcoming London dates, I had a suspicion that they wouldn't be happening at all, one way or another.

He has a HIStory of backing out of shows for various imaginative reasons but this time he's really gone out of his way to avoid playing! :blush:
Usually he would send cheques to the ticket holders, knowing that hardly any would cash them in, leaving him with a pile of money for doing nothing.

It had already been speculated that the secondary ticketing industry (exchanges, hospitality, touts etc) here would be sunk if Jackson bottled this residency at the O2 Arena. There are tears of a different kind flowing in many London homes this morning.

Conspiracy theories? They started long before last night's news.
I'm just waiting to see how they tie it all together.


Very interesting, I never knew that about the canceled shows. I really do give him a lot of credit when he started out. He really had an awesome voice. But by mid 90's it just wasn't there anymore and it never matured. When he was younger with the JACKSON 5, they called him,"little Man", cause he came off professional like an adult but later in life it seem like he was relying on all them funny noises he'd make. This Rolling Stone's writer was trying to say that, MJ was bigger than Elvis in popularity. The woman interviewing him shockingly said,"bigger than ELVIS!" He said back to her, yes, yes, Thriller sold 25 million". First off, Elvis in 1956 was foundation of what Micheal accomplished in 1982. Then saying MJ was the one to mix white and black music.


"BLACK & WHITE"

He did contribute a lot to the music industry but without Elvis, his career would have never even have taken off. Elvis opened the doors for black performers in 1956. They are saying Micheal was the first to mix White and black music, Give me a break! The whole controversy around Elvis was because that's what he was doing from his first professional release, THAT'S ALL RIGHT in 1954.

[poormansgold]

I'm Wasn't Fan of MJ , It's Sad He gone, One thing Elvis Got Over Him Is Big Fan Bases All over World . it's Been 55 years old and going strong , We Had another artist past away after Elvis , They Remember Little bit for day. Elvis is remember on The few days every year Two top Is His brithday and On His Death
.
Elvis is Part of History that change Music It's Is Today and In past . I Always Telling
people That we are lucky Have Music Is today because of Elvis .
What's The true , The artist In 1950's Are Ponieers of music .
Tom

[GraceeD1970]

3 hugh global people's death I remember are Elvis Presley, Princess Diana and now Michael Jackson. You'll never forget where you were when you found out they died. For Elvis I was almost 8 - but still very vivid.

[Getlo]

he sure was no Elvis. In 30 years noone will even speak of him again

Ridiculous.

Jackson will be remembered for generations; unfortunately, not always for his music.

He deserves the epithet "superstar" as much as Elvis and very few other entertainers.

[Sonny]

Very true Getlo, we don't have to like his style of music, or his private life. But yes, Jackson is one of the greatest names in musical history.

On Dutch radio they asked people to call. And one said: when I heard it, I am an Elvis fan, but when I heard it, it kinda felt the same.

The world has lost another great performer.

And that is true, despite everything that was going on around him the last couple of years.

He should be remembered for the music he made. And yes, the title King Of Pop fits him very well.

[May]

It was just like Elvis' death. The cause was prescribed medication. No doubt about it. They said he wasn't breathing when the fire department got there. That meant he was dead at arrival, just like Elvis they kept it from the media. TMZ announced him dead hours ago.

Yes, that is true. I heard it half an hour after he died (nearly 11pm in UK, nearly 3pm in US), but before it was actually confirmed.

[Getlo]

but without Elvis, his career would have never even have taken off.

No way.

I'm not a huge MJ fan, but he had the talent to do anything.

Elvis may have been the Big Bang of Rock'n'Roll, but music - as a fluid art form - would have formed itself with or without Elvis Presley.

[italianfan]

He deserves the epithet "superstar" as much as Elvis and very few other entertainers.

I agree, for me MJ is up there with Elvis and Sinatra, personally i prefer Elvis' music but at least MJ deserved title of legend unlike some.

[Sonny]

Like I said, we don't have to like him, like many don't like Elvis, but yes, he was one of the greater ones.

And this is a shock the the world, the musical industry, like it was when Elvis passed away.

Only in Holland today, 10.000 cd's were sold rightaway.

It's too bad it happens when a performer passes, but it does show us something.

[May]

Michael Jackson will be remembered for years to come and not just for the bad publicity!! He was a fantastic performer and his songs are terrific. Of course I love Elvis more, (after all this is an Elvis website) but no one can take away the talent Michael J had.

I am already bored with the silly stories already coming out! Uri Gellar said on tv this morning something about we didn't always see eye to eye, but I won't go into that now. to which a friend of mine replied (to the tv!!) "no, just put it in your book - you are about to start writing!!!"

[Getlo]

Uri Gellar

That man is a tool!

[May]

You'll get no argument from me!!

[Teddy]

Uri Gellar said on tv this morning something about we didn't always see eye to eye, but I won't go into that now. to which a friend of mine replied (to the tv!!) "no, just put it in your book - you are about to start writing!!!"

Uri will have to think of something or his 'career' is over!
The media's only reason to call on him for anything has now gone!

[john carpenter]

IMO Michael Jackson will be remembered in 30 years. Don't get me wrong, he is no Elvis Presley by a long stretch. He will be remembered for his plastic surgery, wierd behavior, theallegations of child abuse, and yes his music too! But, the allegations far outwiegh anything good he ever did in music. A sad life comes to an even sadder, tragic end. And people have the nerve to put Elvis down for his drug use, weight gain, and the way he died.:blink:

[GraceeD1970]

Neverland could be turned into the next Graceland.

[elvisspankme]

I don't think micheal jackson was all that great i think he was a weirdo noway he's bigger then elvis NOWAY!

[CRITTERGITTER]

Let's not forget that we as Elvis fans know the pain and loss his fans are feeling. I would like to offer my condolences to his fans. We have been where you are and somehow we survived. You may not think so right now, but you will too.

Also, 3 children have lost their father. I would also like to offer my condolences to his children. Life for them will never be the same. God bless them.

[May]

Well said.

[molokai123]

IMO Michael Jackson will be remembered in 30 years. Don't get me wrong, he is no Elvis Presley by a long stretch. He will be remembered for his plastic surgery, wierd behavior, theallegations of child abuse, and yes his music too! But, the allegations far outwiegh anything good he ever did in music. A sad life comes to an even sadder, tragic end. And people have the nerve to put Elvis down for his drug use, weight gain, and the way he died.:blink:

very true mr.carpenter! the sad thing is everyone will always look for the downfall in our heros lifes, like Elvis weight gain and drug use, MJ's plastic surgeries and troubles with the law,its just sad that when anyone makes it big there's always people out there waiting to bring them down and bring them down hard! Elvis and MJ were'nt perfect just like none of us are perfect,we should not hide away from their bad habit's but we should also not let it overshadow all the good they did and keep the focus were it should always be, on their music.

[Shake A Hand]

Yes he was strange, yes the accusations were disgusting and very disturbing, but I always found it stranger that parents would allow their children to be alone with him after the first accusations were made.:hmm:
Whether you liked him or not, its undeniable that he had an abundance of talent for song writing and the fantastic execution of them. At the end of the day, he bought a lot of joy to a lot of people and that has to be recognised and remembered as a positive thing.

[LianaKaralivanou]

I was never a big fan of his but I can't deny that he was a great performer. I heard the news of his death late last night while I was listening to the radio and I was...really shocked. At first I thought it was a false alarm but unfortunately it wasn't. Rest in peace Michael...

[debtdbruno]

It's unfortunate his music will get overshadowed by his private life eccentricities.
I wasn't a fan, however there were several songs I liked.
The old prescription pill debate will start, stars today are more open about their addictions and going into rehab, unfortunately for our Man, it was before these things were discussed in public.
I would like to think for his fans, he would have done all his concerts in the UK, however he didn't look like he was physically well enough to do such a demanding schedule.

[utmom2008]

Self-proclaimed King of Pop, thank you.





Thank God you brought that up!(y)

Finally, late last night one of the commentators brought up that he was the "SELF"
proclaimed King of Pop. Elvis never hung the tag King of Rock around his own neck!

[utmom2008]

When I discovered a month ago that Michael was only contractually obliged to sing for 13 minutes during each of his 50 forthcoming London dates, I had a suspicion that they wouldn't be happening at all, one way or another.

He has a HIStory of backing out of shows for various imaginative reasons but this time he's really gone out of his way to avoid playing! :blush:
Usually he would send cheques to the ticket holders, knowing that hardly any would cash them in, leaving him with a pile of money for doing nothing.



:supriced: Wow! I hadn't heard that one, but you are right, that speaks loud and clear.:supriced::blink:

[utmom2008]

He will be remembered for his plastic surgery, wierd behavior, theallegations of child abuse, and yes his music too! But, the allegations far outwiegh anything good he ever did in music. A sad life comes to an even sadder, tragic end. And people have the nerve to put Elvis down for his drug use, weight gain, and the way he died.:blink:

Great post David! (y)

[debtdbruno]

Just switched in onto BBC, there's a woman on there just said..............'I think it's bigger than the Elvis thing'.............cow!!!

[Tommy]

Just switched in onto BBC, there's a woman on there just said..............'I think it's bigger than the Elvis thing'.............cow!!!

It will all die down when he is layed to rest.

[Teddy]

:supriced: Wow! I hadn't heard that one, but you are right, that speaks loud and clear.:supriced::blink:

And yet another example of his Elvis-inspired activities.
Remember when I recently posted about how roughly half of Elvis's August '77 Maine tickets weren't reimbursed for the same souvenir-seeking reason? The Portland dates actually made money. You can bet this is where he got the idea.

[Getlo]

Also, 3 children have lost their father.

Technically speaking, yes. But there is no way on this Earth that MJ was their biological father. No way in hell.

[molokai123]

here goes sumthing i just read on the EIN,its a good article.


Like Elvis, Michael Jackson was a troubled king; Michael Jackson didn't want to be just a superstar. Like the Beatles, he wanted to be the biggest, the undisputed king. He wanted to topple the reigning man with the crown, Elvis.
In the end, Jackson came to resemble Elvis in both the best and worst ways - supremely gifted and successful but also self-destructive and beset by demons. And like Elvis, he died way too young.
"It's just so weird. He even married Elvis' daughter," said author-music critic Greil Marcus, who wrote at length about Presley in his acclaimed cultural history, Mystery Train.
Elvis Presley died a over-weight middle-aged man after overdosing on prescription drugs at home in 1977 at age 42.
Michael Jackson died on Thursday at age 50 after being rushed from his Los Angeles home to UCLA Medical Centre.
Jackson was taking prescription drugs as he battled to get into shape for his gruelling concert comeback due to get underway in London next month, a lawyer for the family said on Thursday.
Jackson, like Elvis, fought long-running battles with prescription medication throughout his career, and was taking the drugs after suffering injuries during training for his comeback, lawyer and spokesman Brian Oxman said.

While endless fame seemed to inflate Elvis like helium, Jackson's fame seemed to scrub away the flesh from his bones.
Like Elvis, Jackson was once beautiful, outrageous, a revolutionary without politics, who broke down the walls between black and white. He had the hits, the style, the ego, the talent.
He was the "King of Pop," and he needed only to fill in the life: He married Elvis' daughter. He bought the rights to some of Elvis' songs.
Elvis owned Graceland, its name a symbol for a deliverance the singer prayed for until the end of his life.
Jackson had Neverland, a fantasy for a man-child for whom money provided the chance to live in a world of his own.
He did, and did not, want to be like Elvis.
In Moon Walk, a memoir published in 1988, Jackson insisted Elvis was not important to him growing up and that he was unhappy to learn a song he recorded with his brothers, Heartbreak Hotel, shared the name of Presley's first national hit.
"I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head, and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it," Michael Jackson wrote.
"The record company printed it on the cover as This Place Hotel, because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as Elvis was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else.
By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned, and I was never much for scare tactics.
Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself."
Sadly Michael Jackson like Elvis ended up walking that lonely street to his too early demise.
(News, Source;SanjaM/Hillel Italie)

[TCB4ELVIS]

Technically speaking, yes. But there is no way on this Earth that MJ was their biological father. No way in hell.

I agree, how are they all white? they teach you school that the darker skin is dominate one when it comes to having children or the third one comes out white. They call it the green pea effect. A study done with yellow and green peas.

[utmom2008]

I agree, how are they all white?

Simple.....both of their biological parents are white. Those children don't have Jackson "genes.":blink:

[TCB4ELVIS]

molokai123, You're right they both experienced popularity and fame that most celebrities won't even come close to. And rightfully so, MJ had an amazing voice when he was little. Not only that his moves were slick and cool, just like ELVIS. In my opinion there's no comparison, when Elvis died, it was pandemonium everywhere. People where crying everywhere you looked. Also, people tend to forget that, like Paul McCartney said, "Elvis was the long a-waited messiah". He made it possible for even Motown to exist to sign The Jackson 5, Elvis opened the doors for black performers to be accepted on the mainstream radio stations.

[molokai123]

found this one on cnn,lisa marie from her blog.

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson knew "exactly how his fate would be played out" and feared his death would echo that of Elvis Presley, Lisa Marie Presley wrote in an online blog posted Friday morning.


Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley in 1994. Presley says, "I loved him very much" and believes he loved her.

Presley -- the daughter of Elvis, the "King of Rock," and the ex-wife of Jackson, the "King of Pop" -- wrote on her MySpace page that she wanted "to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once." Her publicist confirmed Presley wrote the blog.

She said her short marriage to Jackson -- from May 1994 until January 1996 -- "was not 'a sham' as is being reported in the press," but she divorced him because she was "in over my head in trying" to save Jackson "from the inevitable, which is what has just happened."

Jackson talked with her about his death during "a deep conversation" 14 years ago about "the circumstances of my father's death."

"At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, 'I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did,' " Presley wrote.

"I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that."

That conversation haunted Presley as she watched television coverage of Jackson's death Thursday, she said.

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"I am sitting here watching on the news [as] an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears," she wrote.

"A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened."

Elvis Presley collapsed in the bathroom of his Memphis, Tennessee, mansion -- Graceland -- on August 16, 1977, at the age of 42. While his death was ruled the result of an irregular heartbeat, the autopsy report was sealed amid accusations that abuse of prescription drugs caused the problem.

"As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play the exact scenario I saw happen on August 16, 1977, happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted," she wrote.

"I wanted to 'save him'," she wrote. "I wanted to save him from the inevitable, which is what has just happened."

"The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow," Presley wrote.

Their marriage, which some suggested was only to help Jackson's image, was real, she said.

"It was an unusual relationship, yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a 'normal life' found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part," she wrote. "Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much."

Presley called Jackson "an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated."

"When he used it for something good, it was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad," she wrote.

Presley's blog entry ended with a thank you to those who would read it.

"I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening."

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[Unique Dog]

I`m angry at people who are comparing MJ to Elvis. There is NO comparison! With the possible exception being cause of death. Neverland is no Graceland and Elvis was no pedophile. Lisa`s statement (above) is something, quite honestly, I grew hotter under the collar reading with every comparison she made to her father. She`s full of contradictions and her desire to be compared to her mother is obvious.

Farrah Fawcett`s life and achievements should be given equal, if not MORE, media coverage than MJ. She was truly a beautiful person, sweet and tried her best.

[TCB4ELVIS]

I`m angry at people who are comparing MJ to Elvis. There is NO comparison! With the possible exception being cause of death. Neverland is no Graceland and Elvis was no pedophile. Lisa`s statement (above) is something, quite honestly, I grew hotter under the collar reading with every comparison she made to her father. She`s full of contradictions and her desire to be compared to her mother is obvious.

Farrah Fawcett`s life and achievements should be given equal, if not MORE, media coverage than MJ. She was truly a beautiful person, sweet and tried her best.

I agree about LMP. Except for some of her looks, she's her mother all the way. Putting down Elvis fans with sly comments in her interviews and after bad mouthing Micheal Jackson since her break up, she's jumping on the band wagon of quoting something he said 14 years ago. I think celebrities tend to be a bit dramatic at times, so I think he was just feeling down.
She might have her dads looks and some of his traits but overall, I keep seeing Priscilla. Down to her singing, even though I've never heard Cilla sing, LMP does not have Elvis' voice or rhythm.

[STUD]

I just want to say that Michael Jackson is and actually, always has been, my #2 favorite musical artist of all time, behind the guy pictured in my avatar. It took a tragedy like this to make me remember that. I must admit, Michael WAS my favorite entertainer in the mid-1980s, when he was at his peak. I was a little kid then. His weirdness and legal problems caused me to grow away from him. For that brief spell, he was #1 for me, as it is easy for kids to get caught up in all the hype of a current superstar, but Elvis IS and actually always has been #1. (I was raised on Elvis since birth ;) )

We can't deny the greatness of Thriller, the best-selling album of all time, and deservedly so in my mind. We can't deny he was one of the greatest performers of all time. Does he deserve the title of King of Pop? Depends on how you define pop, as it covers a lot of genres, not just R&B. I would definitely say he's the king of modern R&B. He's definitely one of the 4 or 5 iconic artists of all time, and yes, I think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Elvis, the Beatles, Sinatra, and Crosby as the greatest musical artists of the 20th century. If I had to pick the top 5, those are the 5.

I believe I just gave Michael Jackson his due credit, in MY opinion, anyway.

[utmom2008]

He's definitely one of the 4 or 5 iconic artists of all time, and yes, I think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Elvis, the Beatles, Sinatra, and Crosby as the greatest musical artists of the 20th century. If I had to pick the top 5, those are the 5.



I don't think many people are going to put Bing Crosby higher on a list than John Lennon.:blink::blink:

[utmom2008]

Putting down Elvis fans with sly comments in her interviews and after bad mouthing Micheal Jackson since her break up, she's jumping on the band wagon of quoting something he said 14 years ago. I think celebrities tend to be a bit dramatic at times, so I think he was just feeling down.


Yes, they do tend to be overly dramatic. I'm not yet convinced that Lisa wasn't being overly dramatic with the release of that long statement. I think that maybe she was "caught up in the moment", or at least that's what I'm hoping. ;) I really hate visualizing that the marriage wasn't a "sham", I think I would feel so much better if it was a sham! :lol:

[STUD]

I don't think many people are going to put Bing Crosby higher on a list than John Lennon.:blink::blink:

Now that nearly all of his fans are dead and gone, you're probably right. However, visit this site and you may change your mind.

http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/mostpopularentertainer2.htm

[Brian]

Yes, they do tend to be overly dramatic. I'm not yet convinced that Lisa wasn't being overly dramatic with the release of that long statement. I think that maybe she was "caught up in the moment", or at least that's what I'm hoping. ;) I really hate visualizing that the marriage wasn't a "sham", I think I would feel so much better if it was a sham! :lol:

Many people including me believe Lisa's lying about that marriage not being a sham.

I also believe Michael Jackson's second marriage to Debbie Rowe was also a sham.

[Brian]

I don't think many people are going to put Bing Crosby higher on a list than John Lennon.:blink::blink:

Bing Crosby should be ahead of Lennon in his day he was arguably bigger than both Elvis, the Beatles and he consistently outsold Sinatra when both of them were at their peak during the Big band era as well as being Sinatra's idol and inspiration for getting into singing.

Bing had something like 41 #1 hits in his career plus numerous other hits and accolades in the industry.

The problem with Bing is he gets very little recognition these days because he was such a long time ago you would've had to have been born in the early to mid 30's to even remember him when he was really popular and most of his fan base have died off. I see Elvis having the same problems 20 years from now.
By the time the rock n' roll era began in 1955 Bing was already semi retired.

[molokai123]

Bing Crosby should be ahead of Lennon in his day he was arguably bigger than both Elvis, the Beatles and he consistently outsold Sinatra when both of them were at their peak during the Big band era as well as being Sinatra's idol and inspiration for getting into singing.

Bing had something like 41 #1 hits in his career plus numerous other hits and accolades in the industry.

The problem with Bing is he gets very little recognition these days because he was such a long time ago you would've had to have been born in the early to mid 30's to even remember him when he was really popular and most of his fan base have died off. I see Elvis having the same problems 20 years from now.
By the time the rock n' roll era began in 1955 Bing was already semi retired.

i dont know brian the way the Elvis machine pumps out Elvis rubber duckies,and Elvis blue suede slippers,i cant see Elvis having that problem to much,i mean when comes to EPE its barley about his music,its all about the Elvis pez dispenser and elvis shower curtain,and how many of those it can sell instead of putting the focus were it should always be on E's music.

[STUD]

I see Elvis having the same problems 20 years from now.

Absolutely not. Elvis' memory will always be kept alive by his legions of fans and the generations thereafter. Icons like Elvis will never die. He has become so ingrained into our culture that he is stuck there forever. Plus, as molokai said, EPE won't let it happen. As long as Graceland is open, and as long as his music continues to resonate thru the radio, internet, CDs, MP3s, etc., as long as we have websites like these, as long as they continue to show his movies and concerts, as long as they honor him every January and August.....I'd say his memory is safe.

Rock and roll is the most culturally popular music of all time. When it came along, it wiped out the traditional pop of Crosby and Sinatra. Rock and roll icons will always have their fan base. It is much easier for the icons of traditional pop, which has been a dead genre for decades now, to be underrated or not even recognized by people who didn't grow up with, or weren't even alive when that style was popular. Even if kids today hear that music, it's still very hard for them to appreciate it as it is so outdated, and has been "square" ever since the term came out in the '50s when rock and roll began. Music and entertainment as a whole was so much different in the 20th century's first half that it is really hard to compare it to the rock and roll era.

I just brought up that site to give people an idea of how popular Crosby was during his time and how great his musical achievements really were, and that he is vastly underrated by people who never lived in that era, or don't appreciate that style of music. I, myself, am NOT a fan of traditional pop, but I recognize and appreciate the achievements of those artists.

Sorry if I lit a fire around here by posting that website. :blush: Let me set the record straight that I do NOT believe Bing Crosby is Elvis' equal as a singer, performer, or as a cultural icon. Not even close.

[Brian]

Absolutely not. Elvis' memory will always be kept alive by his legions of fans and the generations thereafter. Icons like Elvis will never die. He has become so ingrained into our culture that he is stuck there forever. Plus, as molokai said, EPE won't let it happen. As long as Graceland is open, and as long as his music continues to resonate thru the radio, internet, CDs, MP3s, etc., as long as we have websites like these, as long as they continue to show his movies and concerts, as long as they honor him every January and August.....I'd say his memory is safe.





I wouldn't bet on Elvis lasting forever 20 or so years from now is a long time Elvis original fanbase will have died off as well as many of his second generation fan base. (born after he became popular in 1956)
Graceland might not be open to the public anymore 20 years from now either as Lisa's kids never knew Elvis and don't seem interested in the business.

EPE may not be around anymore
Sillerman will be really old or dead etc.

It's not a safe bet.

20-25 years from now Elvis music might seem as dated as Bing Crosby's is now.
Bing sang a different type of music but he was a great singer
some would say better than Elvis

[Brian]

I`m angry at people who are comparing MJ to Elvis. There is NO comparison! With the possible exception being cause of death. Neverland is no Graceland and Elvis was no pedophile. Lisa`s statement (above) is something, quite honestly, I grew hotter under the collar reading with every comparison she made to her father. She`s full of contradictions and her desire to be compared to her mother is obvious.

Farrah Fawcett`s life and achievements should be given equal, if not MORE, media coverage than MJ. She was truly a beautiful person, sweet and tried her best.

I'm am in agreement with you about Lisa's statement.

The way Lisa talked in the past she couldn't wait to get out of the marriage
and now she's says she tried to save him and it was the hardest thing in her entire life for her to leave. blah blah blah

Elvis and Jackson had some things in common but many differences.
I don't really get all the comparisons either except they both liked to ride rollercoasters, owned monkey's at one point and had entourages other than that they were very different with different personalities
I could be wrong but I think Jackson had a much bigger entourage.

It's a shame Michael Jackson's death overshadowed Farrah Fawcett's death but I knew it would happen he was a much bigger star.

[STUD]

I wouldn't bet on Elvis lasting forever 20 or so years from now is a long time Elvis original fanbase will have died off as well as many of his second generation fan base. (born after he became popular in 1956)
Graceland might not be open to the public anymore 20 years from now either as Lisa's kids never knew Elvis and don't seem interested in the business.

EPE may not be around anymore
Sillerman will be really old or dead etc.

It's not a safe bet.

20-25 years from now Elvis music might seem as dated as Bing Crosby's is now.
Bing sang a different type of music but he was a great singer
some would say better than Elvis

In the grand scheme of things, 20 years seems like a short time. I'd say easily over 50 years Elvis will still be remembered and celebrated. Probably not like he is today, but still.....I know I said "forever", but I actually meant for the duration of the earth as we know it....I have Christian beliefs that lead me to say that.

I'm sure EPE's members have more than enough relatives and friends who have kids who will carry on Elvis' memory. I'm sure Lisa won't have trouble convincing her kids to keep Graceland open considering all the money that's involved. There are just too many factors in favor of Elvis' memory staying alive rather than just dying, especially in this modern age where everything is documented and protected so well.

Pardon me for saying so, but you seem a tad pessimistic, and also unrealistic, about the staying power of Elvis' memory. Why is that?

[May]

I`m angry at people who are comparing MJ to Elvis. There is NO comparison! With the possible exception being cause of death. Neverland is no Graceland and Elvis was no pedophile. .

Again. Michael Jackson was proved innocent!

[donaldmccurry.63]

how any one can compear michael jackson to elvis is beyond me not only was elvis the king of rock and roll he was the greatest singer of all time yes jackson was good but people all round the world named elvis the king michael jackson had to name himself the king of pop i still remember watching on tv when the king died and there was police man standing saluting the king with tears in there eyes do you think michael jackson will get that i don't think so elvis was the king is the king and always will be long live the king

[debtdbruno]

We are an Elvis fan board, but I still don't think they can be compared musically.
Michael comes from an era of big production shows, and yes, he put on some fantastic eye popping shows. Elvis on stage didn't have the modern technology to create huge productions (like Brittany has just done also) he relied on himself to sing and reach to people with his voice and his heart, charisma and looks, of course.
It is unfair to compare stars from different era's, that way Elvis will fall short. Vocally as well Elvis crossed all types of music that Michael didn't.
I am sorry he has died, nobody should die at 50, it is too young. Celebrities do live in another 'place' than us ordinary mortals, they push the boundaries to extreme.

[Brian]

In the grand scheme of things, 20 years seems like a short time. I'd say easily over 50 years Elvis will still be remembered and celebrated. Probably not like he is today, but still.....I know I said "forever", but I actually meant for the duration of the earth as we know it....I have Christian beliefs that lead me to say that.

I'm sure EPE's members have more than enough relatives and friends who have kids who will carry on Elvis' memory. I'm sure Lisa won't have trouble convincing her kids to keep Graceland open considering all the money that's involved. There are just too many factors in favor of Elvis' memory staying alive rather than just dying, especially in this modern age where everything is documented and protected so well.

Pardon me for saying so, but you seem a tad pessimistic, and also unrealistic, about the staying power of Elvis' memory. Why is that?

This answer from you is what I would expect from an Elvis board.

I think you are being very unrealistic 50 years from now you and I will both be dead

The thing is EPE doesn't have other relatives or members to keep Elvis alive most of them are employees.

I bet you money Graceland will close 20-25 years from now things change no matter how popular something is it always changes or fades and that includes Elvis he has had tremendous staying power but there will come a day when his popularity will diminish.

[molokai123]

This answer from you is what I would expect from an Elvis board.

no matter how popular something is it always changes or fades and that includes Elvis he has had tremendous staying power but there will come a day when his popularity will diminish.

i agree with you in a way Brian,but his popularity will diminish,in a way it has a little,but i dont think it will ever completly go away,Elvis is a product now,so when all those people who knew him or are involved with EPE pass along,EPE will still be running it's just to much of a product. But Elvis will always be around,just like John lennon,MJ, Bob Marley,2pac,there always going to be around,they left to much of a lasting impression on this earth,and everyday some young boy or girl will discover their music and the cycle will repeat itself. legends never fade.plus this is an Elvis board and he's one of the greatest,and my all time fav singer!! but its ur opinion and just like anyone else on this board its valued!!

[Brian]

i agree with you in a way Brian,but his popularity will diminish,in a way it has a little,but i dont think it will ever completly go away,Elvis is a product now,so when all those people who knew him or are involved with EPE pass along,EPE will still be running it's just to much of a product. But Elvis will always be around,just like John lennon,MJ, Bob Marley,2pac,there always going to be around,the left to much of a lasting impression on this earth,and everyday some young boy or girl will discover their music and the cycle will repeat itself. legends never fade.

I think they all will one day

Lennon, Tupac and Marley weren't even as popular as Elvis

[TCB4ELVIS]

i dont know brian the way the Elvis machine pumps out Elvis rubber duckies,and Elvis blue suede slippers,i cant see Elvis having that problem to much,i mean when comes to EPE its barley about his music,its all about the Elvis pez dispenser and elvis shower curtain,and how many of those it can sell instead of putting the focus were it should always be on E's music.

I agree, if Elvis was going to start fading it would have happened already. It did for while in the 90's after the movie, Rockadoddle, but then came Lilo & Stitch. I was at the store the other and they had an Elvis zippo lighter for sale and I heard this kid tell his dad, can we go see Elvis in concert again,daddy? his dad said, no that was someone pretending to be Elvis". This kid was like 5 years old.
I think the remix idea was good. When they were playing it a lot on the radio, Little Less Conversation, Most people didn't even know that's Elvis until he sang, "c'mon c'mon". I used to always ask when I was in a car full of people."who's that singing?" the people wouldn't know.

I don't know what's next. They had an Elvis racing car, Elvis on a famous candy bar. I just can't stand them stupid cheap looking impersonators they sometimes use for TV commercials or ads. Makes him look like a buffoon. That's going to be the next thing they're going to do to Micheal Jackson.
This is the latest popular image of Elvis that's out there. I don't like it at all.
That's what EPE should get on top of. It's towards the end of the commercial.

YouTube - Progressive Insurance Commercial - Flo Takes a "Long Walk"

[molokai123]

I think they all will one day

Lennon, Tupac and Marley weren't even as popular as Elvis

thats cool it's your opinion,and hey thats what counts,your a cool cat Brian!(y)

[molokai123]

I agree, if Elvis was going to start fading it would have happened already. It did for while in the 90's after the movie, Rockadoddle, but then came Lilo & Stitch. I was at the store the other and they had an Elvis zippo lighter for sale and I heard this kid tell his dad, can we go see Elvis in concert again,daddy? his dad said, no that was someone pretending to be Elvis". This kid was like 5 years old.
I think the remix idea was good. When they were playing a lot on the radio, Little Less Conversation, Most people didn't even know that's Elvis until he sings, "c'mon c'mon". I used to always ask when I was in a car full of people.

I don't know what's next. They had an Elvis racing car, Elvis on a famous candy bar. I just can't stand them stupid cheap looking impersonators they sometimes use for TV commercials or ads. Makes him look like a buffoon. That's going to be the next thing they're going to do to Micheal Jackson.
This is the latest popular image of Elvis that's out there. I don't like it at all.
That's what EPE should get on top of. It's towards the end of the commercial.

YouTube - Progressive Insurance Commercial - Flo Takes a "Long Walk" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra-9CdbLFQI)

yeah i agree,but thats how things always seem to be,like with Elvis you always see the late 70's Elvis,and with micheal ur gonna be seeing the old micheal,not the young one.and like with this progressive commercial see its the old Elvis:angry:

[TCB4ELVIS]

yeah i agree,but thats how things always seem to be,like with Elvis you always see the late 70's Elvis,and with micheal ur gonna be seeing the old micheal,not the young one.and like with this progressive commercial see its the old Elvis:angry:

I understand why they choose that era. I wouldn't call it old cause if you think about it, they never got old but the 70s was when Elvis finally created an image that no other artist even came close to looking like. In the 50's he kinda looked like Marlin Brando, in the 60s he was just clean cut, cept for his hair from late 63. The hair was totally Elvis. The 70s was 100% Elvis and if someone went out there looking like the 50s people would probably be more confused as to who that was.
The same with MJ, the post Thriller look is what made him stand out. The Micheal I was impressed with was the Jackson 5 days and few songs after that like, "Dancin' Machine", "Blame It on the Boogie", "Things I Do for You" & " Enjoy Yourself". His voice was just unreal when he started out.

[molokai123]

I understand why they choose that era. I wouldn't call it old cause if you think about it, they never got old but the 70s was when Elvis finally created an image that no other artist even came close to looking like. In the 50's he kinda looked like Marlin Brando, in the 60s he was just clean cut, cept for his hair from late 63. The hair was totally Elvis. The 70s was 100% Elvis and if someone went out there looking like the 50s people would probably be more confused as to who that was.
The same with MJ, the post Thriller look is what made him stand out. The Micheal I was impressed with was the Jackson 5 days and few songs after that like, "Dancin' Machine", "Blame It on the Boogie", "Things I Do for You" & " Enjoy Yourself". His voice was just unreal when he started out.

man you hit it on the nose!! (y):notworthy, yea i should have worded it better( the old part) just couldnt think of the right word:lol: thanks TCB4ELVIS(y)(y)

[dj_ethan]

YouTube - One Day In Your Life

" One Day In Your Life " Michael

[tcbeus]

Ridiculous.

Jackson will be remembered for generations; unfortunately, not always for his music.

He deserves the epithet "superstar" as much as Elvis and very few other entertainers.

I agree with You Getlo.I think that to comparing Elvis to Michael or Michael to Elvis is a bit childish.They were in to different era and made different music.Both were unique and very talented.
Very sad that MJ said in his book that he :
"by the time our song had come out(Heartbreak Hotel,the record company printed it on the cover as This Place Hotel ,because of the Elvis Presley connection),people thought that if i kept living in seclusion the way i was,i might die the way he did.The parallels aren't there as far as i am concerned and I was never much for scare tactics.Still the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me,because I don't ever want walk those grounds myself."

[Lindagtz]

They definitely belong to different eras & decades...& there is no comparison between MJ & our ELVIS, musically & vocally speaking.

And yes MJ will be remembered, as we remember Lennon for his contribution in music, -pop music- period.

I do not like the fact to compare them. Different people, culture, education & era...

ELVIS did revolutionize music.

Only my opinion...

[STUD]

Elvis is a product now,so when all those people who knew him or are involved with EPE pass along,EPE will still be running it's just to much of a product.

Exactly right. It's like Coca-Cola. It's been around for over 100 years and running stronger than ever.

[Lindagtz]

Exactly right. It's like Coca-Cola. It's been around for over 100 years and running stronger than ever.

(y)(y):king:

Exactly...well said!

[Unique Dog]

Again. Michael Jackson was proved innocent!

NO, he was not. In the first case against him, he settled out of court. IF he was innocent, he would have fought til the bitter end to prove himself innocent!!

The second case, yes he was aquitted but only after MJ released some dirty laundry on the mother. Was it part of blackmail scheme? We may never know.

[May]

NO, he was not.
The second case, yes he was aquitted .

Firstly, no need to shout.
Secondly, if he wasnt proved innocent, he would have been put in jail. He wasnt put in jail! It may be your opinion he was guilty but it was not the opinion of a court judge!!

[May]

yes he was aquitted .

In fact, you state the facts correctly here.:doh:

[utmom2008]

Sorry if I lit a fire around here by posting that website. :blush: Let me set the record straight that I do NOT believe Bing Crosby is Elvis' equal as a singer, performer, or as a cultural icon. Not even close.

No problem here, I found it to be an interesting read! (y)

[utmom2008]

Firstly, no need to shout.
Secondly, if he wasnt proved innocent, he would have been put in jail. He wasnt put in jail! It may be your opinion he was guilty but it was not the opinion of a court judge!!

In the first molestation case he was not proven to be guilty or innocent. The fact that he chose to settle out of court and pay millions to the little boy's family made the public highly suspicious of his "innocence." :blink:

[Pacerstar]

"Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now"
Maybe yes, maybe no...I don't care, for me M.J was GREAT ARTIST, that's all what could I say, and sometime He was my cup of coffe :) :'(

I have been hearing the comparisons between Mj's death
and Elvis' death. I agree with the party who said there is
no comparison. They were totally different people. Will
Mj's death be bigger than the death of Elvis? The media
spectacle and the commercial exploitation - maybe. Will
the void left by the death of MJ be bigger than the void left
by the death of Elvis? I think not!

[dj_ethan]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5222/jacksonkids.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/jacksonkids.jpg/)

The 3 Kids Of Michael

[Cliff]

I have been hearing the comparisons between Mj's death
and Elvis' death. I agree with the party who said there is
no comparison. They were totally different people. Will
Mj's death be bigger than the death of Elvis? The media
spectacle and the commercial exploitation - maybe. Will
the void left by the death of MJ be bigger than the void left
by the death of Elvis? I think not!

Of course they were two different people. Two different forms of music for one thing. Did Elvis write any of his own songs? Elvis had the moves, but could he dance like MJ? Like him or not you can not take away the fact that he was a musical genius.They say that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. I think Micheal was on that line. Or was he just very shrewd and clever.
If there are any comparisons between Micheal and Elvis it would be the facts that both were running out of money,both were at home when they died and both were getting prepared for concerts. Also there were the rumours of ill health before the tragic events.
Down through time it always takes death for us to fully appreciate people and their great talents.
I feel that Micheals funeral will be much bigger than Elvis'. You have to realize it was a far different world when Elvis died. There was no Internet as there is now.
Someone asks if there will be a Micheal Jackson in 30 years. If he has a Priscilla or a Colonel to keep his name in the public eye no doubt he will be.
Although not a big MJ fan myself I have the highest regard and respect for what he was, and I truly feel sad that it ended for him. R.I.P Micheal.
http://gi92.photobucket.com/groups/l32/D9L1JPTG6B/MJ4eva.jpg

[dj_ethan]

YouTube - Michael Jackson - Farewell My Summer Love (AUDIO)

[dj_ethan]

Of course they were two different people. Two different forms of music for one thing. Did Elvis write any of his own songs? Elvis had the moves, but could he dance like MJ? Like him or not you can not take away the fact that he was a musical genius.They say that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. I think Micheal was on that line. Or was he just very shewd and clever.
If there are any comparisons between Micheal and Elvis it would be the facts that both were running out of money,both were at home when they died and both were getting prepared for concerts. Also there were the rumours of ill health before the tragic events.
Down through time it always takes death for us to fully appreciate people and their great talents.
I feel that Micheals funeral will be much bigger than Elvis. You have to realize it was a far different world when Elvis died. There was no Internet as there is now.
Someone asks if there will be a Micheal Jackson in 30 years. If he has a Priscilla or a Colonel to keep his name in the public eye no doubt he will be.
Although not a big MJ fan myself I have the highest regard and respect for what he was, and I truly feel sad that it ended for him. R.I.P Micheal.
http://gi92.photobucket.com/groups/l32/D9L1JPTG6B/MJ4eva.jpg

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You Are A Great Fan Of Elvis For Write This !!!

[Awickedreigndrop]

Of course they were two different people. Two different forms of music for one thing. Did Elvis write any of his own songs? Elvis had the moves, but could he dance like MJ? Like him or not you can not take away the fact that he was a musical genius.They say that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. I think Micheal was on that line. Or was he just very shrewd and clever.
If there are any comparisons between Micheal and Elvis it would be the facts that both were running out of money,both were at home when they died and both were getting prepared for concerts. Also there were the rumours of ill health before the tragic events.
Down through time it always takes death for us to fully appreciate people and their great talents.
I feel that Micheals funeral will be much bigger than Elvis'. You have to realize it was a far different world when Elvis died. There was no Internet as there is now.
Someone asks if there will be a Micheal Jackson in 30 years. If he has a Priscilla or a Colonel to keep his name in the public eye no doubt he will be.
Although not a big MJ fan myself I have the highest regard and respect for what he was, and I truly feel sad that it ended for him. R.I.P Micheal.
http://gi92.photobucket.com/groups/l32/D9L1JPTG6B/MJ4eva.jpg

Wonderful words!

[john carpenter]

here goes sumthing i just read on the EIN,its a good article.


Like Elvis, Michael Jackson was a troubled king; Michael Jackson didn't want to be just a superstar. Like the Beatles, he wanted to be the biggest, the undisputed king. He wanted to topple the reigning man with the crown, Elvis.
In the end, Jackson came to resemble Elvis in both the best and worst ways - supremely gifted and successful but also self-destructive and beset by demons. And like Elvis, he died way too young.
"It's just so weird. He even married Elvis' daughter," said author-music critic Greil Marcus, who wrote at length about Presley in his acclaimed cultural history, Mystery Train.
Elvis Presley died a over-weight middle-aged man after overdosing on prescription drugs at home in 1977 at age 42.
Michael Jackson died on Thursday at age 50 after being rushed from his Los Angeles home to UCLA Medical Centre.
Jackson was taking prescription drugs as he battled to get into shape for his gruelling concert comeback due to get underway in London next month, a lawyer for the family said on Thursday.
Jackson, like Elvis, fought long-running battles with prescription medication throughout his career, and was taking the drugs after suffering injuries during training for his comeback, lawyer and spokesman Brian Oxman said.

While endless fame seemed to inflate Elvis like helium, Jackson's fame seemed to scrub away the flesh from his bones.
Like Elvis, Jackson was once beautiful, outrageous, a revolutionary without politics, who broke down the walls between black and white. He had the hits, the style, the ego, the talent.
He was the "King of Pop," and he needed only to fill in the life: He married Elvis' daughter. He bought the rights to some of Elvis' songs.
Elvis owned Graceland, its name a symbol for a deliverance the singer prayed for until the end of his life.
Jackson had Neverland, a fantasy for a man-child for whom money provided the chance to live in a world of his own.
He did, and did not, want to be like Elvis.
In Moon Walk, a memoir published in 1988, Jackson insisted Elvis was not important to him growing up and that he was unhappy to learn a song he recorded with his brothers, Heartbreak Hotel, shared the name of Presley's first national hit.
"I swear that was a phrase that came out of my head, and I wasn't thinking of any other song when I wrote it," Michael Jackson wrote.
"The record company printed it on the cover as This Place Hotel, because of the Elvis Presley connection. As important as Elvis was to music, black as well as white, he just wasn't an influence on me. I guess he was too early for me. Maybe it was timing more than anything else.
By the time our song had come out, people thought that if I kept living in seclusion the way I was, I might die the way he did. The parallels aren't there as far as I'm concerned, and I was never much for scare tactics.
Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself."
Sadly Michael Jackson like Elvis ended up walking that lonely street to his too early demise.
(News, Source;SanjaM/Hillel Italie) Excellent post Molokai!
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[MissyM]

Speculation is that he my have died because of an injection and he has been abusing prescription drugs for a long time. Ironic no?

[Getlo]

feared his death would echo that of Elvis Presley

And it did ...

The "King" of current music died.

Gone too soon, at far too young an age.

Prescription drugs involved, and probably the main cause of death.

His doctor wanted for questioning by police.

Died a hideous caricature of his former self (okay, so MJ was WAY more hideous at the end, but the comparison is valid).

Millions of fans around the world are gutted.

The world stopped upon hearing the news. Radio and TV saturated. Total disbelief.

Record sales through the roof.

Conspiracy theories already springing up.

The music will live on for the ages.

Yes, it was just like Elvis' death. As I said earlier, this is the "Death of Elvis" for the next generation.

[molokai123]

And it did ...

The "King" of current music died.

Gone too soon, at far too young an age.

Prescription drugs involved, and probably the main cause of death.

His doctor wanted for questioning by police.

Died a hideous caricature of his former self (okay, so MJ was WAY more hideous at the end, but the comparison is valid).

Millions of fans around the world are gutted.

The world stopped upon hearing the news. Radio and TV saturated. Total disbelief.

Record sales through the roof.

Conspiracy theories already springing up.

The music will live on for the ages.

Yes, it was just like Elvis' death. As I said earlier, this is the "Death of Elvis" for the next generation.


great post!!(y)(y)

[molokai123]

Excellent post Molokai!
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thanks! i thought it was a good article(y)

[May]

In the first molestation case he was not proven to be guilty or innocent. The fact that he chose to settle out of court and pay millions to the little boy's family made the public highly suspicious of his "innocence." :blink:


Thats right. On the first case. Not innocent, not guilty. Purely down to public speculation. Believe what you want to believe. all down to individual opinion.
The second case =
On June 13, 2005, the jury found Jackson not guilty on all charges.

[donaldmccurry.63]

why are people posting pics and saying nice things about a pedo on this elvis site

[ForeverTheKing]

why are people posting pics and saying nice things about a pedo on this elvis site

Simply because people can have different opinion from yours :lol:

He was a great artist and my maximun respect for this.
About his legal problems ...personally (but this is just my opinion) I've never believed about these accusations.

I don't understad your hate for him :hmm:

If you simply dislike him...well, you can ignore threads talking about him :P

[tcbeus]

He was a great artist and my maximun respect for this.
About his legal problems ...personally (but this is just my opinion) I've never believed about these accusations.



And this is my opinion too.(y)

[donaldmccurry.63]

i don't hate anyone if u read back i never used that word once i do dislike him and some of the things people are saying now about him being bigger then the king that he was the first globel star in the world has just got me a bit upset

[poormansgold]

Know There More To See and hear here, Liked Elvis 32 years Ago We still talking about How It Happened to Elvis and we will Do it With Michael Jackson next few years to come. and more bad comments about the people around him that time, liked few you do about people was around Elvis, We can't Blame no one for it, We what Too . That's burns my butt about people liked that.
Tom

[celine]

Ridiculous.

Jackson will be remembered for generations; unfortunately, not always for his music.

He deserves the epithet "superstar" as much as Elvis and very few other entertainers.

I totally agree with you!

[celine]

Neverland could be turned into the next Graceland.

But Neverland doesn't exist anymore as it was when MJ still lived there. Elvis lived in Graceland until the very end.

[May]

Simply because people can have different opinion from yours :lol:

He was a great artist and my maximun respect for this.
About his legal problems ...personally (but this is just my opinion) I've never believed about these accusations.

I don't understad your hate for him :hmm:

If you simply dislike him...well, you can ignore threads talking about him :P

Great post. and for the record, people should not call Michael Jackson a "paedo" as quite simply, he was never proved guilty!:P

[dj_ethan]

Simply because people can have different opinion from yours :lol:

He was a great artist and my maximun respect for this.
About his legal problems ...personally (but this is just my opinion) I've never believed about these accusations.

I don't understad your hate for him :hmm:

If you simply dislike him...well, you can ignore threads talking about him :P

I Agree ! Great Post !

[ForeverTheKing]

Thanks a lot :notworthy

I'm mostly a Elvis fan and to me Elvis will be always the number one (y)

Anyway I can recognize talent in others...music went on after Elvis and many great artists came after him ;) Michael sure took something from Elvis, someone else took something from Michael :clap:

I've always like Michael as a singer and dancer, I've grown up with him and his songs...I can't consider myself a real "fan" but I'm really sad for his death, also because I know he's suffered a lot in his life, although his success. :'(

I can imagine what his FANS are feeeling in this moment...they've lost a part of them like we lost Elvis.....and the world lost another great superstar.

I think we can talk about him here in this particular moment, also if it's a Elvis Forum...it's something too big to be ignored (y)

RIP Michael :'(

[Sonny]

Very well said!

[May]

Thanks a lot :notworthy

I'm mostly a Elvis fan and to me Elvis will be always the number one (y)

Anyway I can recognize talent in others...music went on after Elvis and many great artists came after him ;) Michael sure took something from Elvis, someone else took something from Michael :clap:

I've always like Michael as a singer and dancer, I've grown up with him and his songs...I can't consider myself a real "fan" but I'm really sad for his death, also because I know he's suffered a lot in his life, although his success. :'(

I can imagine what his FANS are feeeling in this moment...they've lost a part of them like we lost Elvis.....and the world lost another great superstar.

I think we can talk about him here in this particular moment, also if it's a Elvis Forum...it's something too big to be ignored (y)

RIP Michael :'(

I agree with all of that. (y):D

[elvislady]

Great post. and for the record, people should not call Michael Jackson a "paedo" as quite simply, he was never proved guilty!:P

I agree here!
elvislady

[May]

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[molokai123]

just read this, thought it was a interesting article,but obviously this person forgot that mj billie jean broke down the barrier for the mtv gen. i think all 3 men were great!


Who did more for racial progress...Michael Jackson? Elvis Presley or Frank Sinatra? In response to my earlier article "Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley & Frank Sinatra-Superstars" Brian writes the following;
"Michael Jackson's name should not be mentioned in the same breath as Elvis Presley. Jackson was mainly a dance man who sang in one or two musical genres. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre open to him. Of course, Elvis was more than just a singer/entertainer, he was an historic figure who broke down racial and social barriers in 1950's U.S.A. paving the way for Dr. Martin Luther King in the 1960's. Elvis was the whole package - he had the talent, looks, charisma, stage act, moves and was humble with it. Michael Jackson refused to be interviewed unless he was referred to as KING. People will be talking about Elvis in 1000 years time."
In regard to Frank Sinatra: second only to Frank's monumental contribution to popular music, he should be remembered (and honored) for his lifelong fight against racial, ethnic and religious discrimination. Frank, unlike almost all of his white contemporaries, including Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and John Wayne, risked his career by standing up to discrimination in all forms. It was Frank who opened Las Vegas, and other venues to black performers such as Nat Cole, Count Basie and Sammy Davis Jr. In 1946, he made a short film, "The House I Live In" that addressed anti-Semitism for which he was labeled a "commie." Here is a portion of the lyrics;
What is America to me
A name, a map, or a flag I see
A certain word, democracy
What is America to me

The house I live in
A plot of earth, a street
The grocer and the butcher
Or the people that I meet

The children in the playground
The faces that I see
All races and religions
That's America to me

The howdy and the handshake
The air a feeling free
And the right to speak your mind out
That's America to me


Here is one of my favorite Sinatra stories on the topic of racial discrimination; Life on the road for the big bands was difficult at the best of times, but for the integrated bands travel, particularly in the South with the "Jim Crow" laws, could be overwhelmingly cruel. Black members were rarely permitted to stay in the same hotels or eat in the same restaurants as the white members.
This concerns Frank Sinatra, during his Dorsey years in the early 40's, and the band's arranger Sy Oliver, who was black. While the band was checking into a hotel, the clerk dispensed room keys to Sinatra and the other white members, but froze when he spotted the black arranger in the group. He refused to give him a key and indicated that he was not welcome in the hotel. Francis Albert Sinatra, no stranger to ethnic discrimination from his days in Hoboken, New Jersey, reportedly reached across the counter, grabbed the clerk by the tie, pulled him across the counter and simply said, "He stays". Sy Oliver stayed.

Author: Rick Busciglio

[utmom2008]

"Michael Jackson's name should not be mentioned in the same breath as Elvis Presley. Jackson was mainly a dance man who sang in one or two musical genres. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre open to him. Of course, Elvis was more than just a singer/entertainer, he was an historic figure who broke down racial and social barriers in 1950's U.S.A. paving the way for Dr. Martin Luther King in the 1960's. Elvis was the whole package - he had the talent, looks, charisma, stage act, moves and was humble with it. Michael Jackson refused to be interviewed unless he was referred to as KING. People will be talking about Elvis in 1000 years time."
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[STUD]

The more I think about it, and as I begin to calm down from the MJ craze of the weekend, the more I feel it is actually ridiculous to call Michael Jackson the King of Pop. Pop music covers such a broad spectrum of genres. I mean, it really covers all music that is popular, and that is everything from mainstream rock to R&B to hard rock. Was Michael the king of all those styles of music combined? I think not! If we should anoint Michael the king of anything, I would say it's Modern R&B, and even that is arguable, as the early rap artists have A LOT to do with the way modern R&B music is today.

If I have to categorize Michael's style, it would be Dance music. But is he the KING of that? He's the most successful artist of that genre, but did he start it? Dance music became popular worldwide in the '70s with Disco, before Michael got into Disco, but there were many innovators of that style beforehand. James Brown certainly deserves a lot of credit. He deserves the most credit for creating Funk, which later morphed into Disco, but the roots of Dance music go way back before James.

If we should anoint any artist the King of Pop, I would say it should be Bing Crosby, cuz that's when the term pop music was coined, and he was the first BIG pop music star.

Michael Jackson was the most successful R&B artist of all time in terms of sales, and is arguably the greatest on-stage performer ever. I believe that is his just due, but I don't know if he's the King of anything.....

[Cliff]

Having read all the posts in this Forum, I fear that there is a danger of us turning into the very people that we detested when Elvis died.The people who were judgemental of him and negative. We have nothing to gain by this. Whatever mistakes Michael made he has paid the ultimate price.I'm not a religeous man,but as it is written "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

[debtdbruno]

The more I think about it, and as I begin to calm down from the MJ craze of the weekend, the more I feel it is actually ridiculous to call Michael Jackson the King of Pop. Pop music covers such a broad spectrum of genres. I mean, it really covers all music that is popular, and that is everything from mainstream rock to R&B to hard rock. Was Michael the king of all those styles of music combined? I think not! If we should anoint Michael the king of anything, I would say it's Modern R&B, and even that is arguable, as the early rap artists have A LOT to do with the way modern R&B music is today.

If I have to categorize Michael's style, it would be Dance music. But is he the KING of that? He's the most successful artist of that genre, but did he start it? Dance music became popular worldwide in the '70s with Disco, before Michael got into Disco, but there were many innovators of that style beforehand. James Brown certainly deserves a lot of credit. He deserves the most credit for creating Funk, which later morphed into Disco, but the roots of Dance music go way back before James.

If we should anoint any artist the King of Pop, I would say it should be Bing Crosby, cuz that's when the term pop music was coined, and he was the first BIG pop music star.

Michael Jackson was the most successful R&B artist of all time in terms of sales, and is arguably the greatest on-stage performer ever. I believe that is his just due, but I don't know if he's the King of anything.....

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[Sonny]

Cliff is right....

Who are we, the Elvis fans that heard and to this day hear the same crap about our man, to judge on Michael Jackson, or his fans.

I respect the man, the artist, and his fans.

Like I respect in good or bad, Elvis, and my fellow fans.

[elvislady]

Having read all the posts in this Forum, I fear that there is a danger of us turning into the very people that we detested when Elvis died.The people who were judgemental of him and negative. We have nothing to gain by this. Whatever mistakes Michael made he has paid the ultimate price.I'm not a religeous man,but as it is written "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Well said cliff!
elvislady(y)(y)

[utmom2008]

Who are we, the Elvis fans that heard and to this day hear the same crap about our man, to judge on Michael Jackson, or his fans.



:lol: Well, I agree that we do hear utter crap about Elvis...it's just a "different" kind of crap. ;)

We won't ever hear that Elvis had a fondness for little boys, or that he dangled little Lisa out of his bedroom window at Graceland. :supriced: :lol::lol:

[elvislady]

:lol: Well, I agree that do hear utter crap about Elvis...it's just a "different" kind of crap. ;)

We won't ever hear that Elvis had a fondness for little boys, or that he dangled little Lisa out of his bedroom window at Graceland. :supriced: :lol::lol:

but people could read this and say he had a thing for young girls... 14 year old cilla!

elvislady:D

[utmom2008]

but people could read this and say he had a thing for young girls... 14 year old cilla!

elvislady:D

(y)(y)(y) :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Sonny]

Again true...

Elvis, or rather management, was clever enough to keep this from the press. With Elvis even denying it, "no big romance".
Did we ever care back then? No we did not.

And about MJ, if we were his true fans, we would defend him like we do Elvis.

[sasha]

Again true...

Elvis, or rather management, was clever enough to keep this from the press. With Elvis even denying it, "no big romance".
Did we ever care back then? No we did not.

And about MJ, if we were his true fans, we would defend him like we do Elvis.

I agree with you. People need to get their facts before accusing someone.

http://www.usnewslink.com/framedjackson.htm

And, I'm not even an MJ fan. ;)

[ForeverTheKing]

Cliff is right....

Who are we, the Elvis fans that heard and to this day hear the same crap about our man, to judge on Michael Jackson, or his fans.

I respect the man, the artist, and his fans.

Like I respect in good or bad, Elvis, and my fellow fans.

Well said Rene (y)

This is exactly what I feel...they were both humans and made mistakes as we do everyday... but no doubt about their talent in music :clap:

[sasha]

You might try reading this book too.


http://www.lawyerment.com/shop/us/books/title/1576880443/

[Getlo]

Technically speaking, yes. But there is no way on this Earth that MJ was their biological father. No way in hell.

Well, when I'm right ... I'm right!

First wife Debbie Rowe has admitted she was just an incubator and the father is some anonymous guy. Yeah, big surprise! She also said that Jacko told her Lisa and he never had sex. Again, no shocks there! Lisa lied.

And what sort of woman is she to have kids with (sorry, for) this man, and then not ever want to see them again? Hope she enjoys her money.

[tcbeus]

You might try reading this book too.


http://www.lawyerment.com/shop/us/books/title/1576880443/

Have You read this book?I've heard about this.ppl say it is good.

[TCB4ELVIS]

Well, when I'm right ... I'm right!

First wife Debbie Rowe has admitted she was just an incubator and the father is some anonymous guy. Yeah, big surprise! She also said that Jacko told her Lisa and he never had sex. Again, no shocks there! Lisa lied.

And what sort of woman is she to have kids with (sorry, for) this man, and then not ever want to see them again? Hope she enjoys her money.

I have to agree with what you're saying here Getlo. The interview LMP gave with her, "husband", Micheal looked like two kids telling stories cause they're in trouble. Her eyes kept shifting side to side, they say that's a sign of someone lying. I'm sorry but that whole arrangement was to promote the new Elvis boxset and MJ's HIStory box set. She broke up with the father of her kids for this? Reminds me of how low Priscilla and her parents stooped the gain wealth. then came that B. S. MJ video they made together where she was totally nude. There was not one bit of Elvis' spirit in all this. It was 100% tasteless. Elvis always had class and carried himself with dignity in the public eye.

It's obvious those are not his kids. but that's not to say that MJ wasn't a awesome performer when he was young. That's where I give him credit and I just think that this was a man that was deeply disturbed and needed help to over come all the abuse he took when he was little from his dad and god knows who else. Their dad basically prostituted them having them work in Topless bars when they were little. I'm sorry but after Thriller, I really don't see anything special about his music.

[TCB4ELVIS]

just read this, thought it was a interesting article,but obviously this person forgot that mj billie jean broke down the barrier for the mtv gen. i think all 3 men were great!


Who did more for racial progress...Michael Jackson? Elvis Presley or Frank Sinatra? In response to my earlier article "Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley & Frank Sinatra-Superstars" Brian writes the following;
"Michael Jackson's name should not be mentioned in the same breath as Elvis Presley. Jackson was mainly a dance man who sang in one or two musical genres. Elvis sang in virtually every musical genre open to him. Of course, Elvis was more than just a singer/entertainer, he was an historic figure who broke down racial and social barriers in 1950's U.S.A. paving the way for Dr. Martin Luther King in the 1960's. Elvis was the whole package - he had the talent, looks, charisma, stage act, moves and was humble with it. Michael Jackson refused to be interviewed unless he was referred to as KING. People will be talking about Elvis in 1000 years time."


I agree with you here. Like magazines said in the 60s regarding Elvis movies, "I don't like this movie but there's something about ELVIS that makes you want to look at him and see what he's going to do next". I don't think MJ had that effect on people. In fact after Thriller other than, Black or White,and Man in the Mirror, I can't name any other songs.
Elvis changed the world in the 50s as did the Beatles in the 60s but MJ was mixed up with Madonna, Boy George,Billy Idol & David Bowie in the 80s and 90s. What we have with the new artists' today never branched out went beyond the MJ, Madonna Stage production. No one has stepped up yet and gave the stage a new look and format.

Anybody watching Elvis' 68 comeback performance can't help but think, "he's the best, no one can even come close to him".

[Brian]

Well, when I'm right ... I'm right!

First wife Debbie Rowe has admitted she was just an incubator and the father is some anonymous guy. Yeah, big surprise! She also said that Jacko told her Lisa and he never had sex. Again, no shocks there! Lisa lied.

And what sort of woman is she to have kids with (sorry, for) this man, and then not ever want to see them again? Hope she enjoys her money.

I'm not shocked by this I always knew it was a sham

I also believed the marriage between Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie was a sham.

[utmom2008]

First wife Debbie Rowe has admitted she was just an incubator and the father is some anonymous guy. Yeah, big surprise! She also said that Jacko told her Lisa and he never had sex. Again, no shocks there! Lisa lied.

And what sort of woman is she to have kids with (sorry, for) this man, and then not ever want to see them again? Hope she enjoys her money.

I wish that Lisa would stop trying to convince the world that it was a "normal" relationship", no one believes that and in the end I think it reflects poorly on her. I know I would feel alot better if she came out and said "NO...we NEVER had sex."

IMO Debbie Rowe is a real lowlife...he could have picked a better incubator! ;)

[Brian]

but people could read this and say he had a thing for young girls... 14 year old cilla!

elvislady:D

I never got those comparisons myself

You can't compare what Jackson was accused of with Elvis situation for several reasons

Priscilla has said they didn't have sex in Germany and no one can prove that they did and Elvis was never accused of this by anyone not Priscilla's parents not anyone.

Michael Jackson was accused by several people of molesting them and the authorities thought they had enough evidence to charge Jackson and bring him up on charges this happened twice with him going to trial over it on one occasion.

Having said that Michael Jackson was never convicted of any of this and was acquitted but you can't compare Elvis situation to his because they are different.

You can't even compare Elvis to Jerry Lee Lewis situation with marrying his 13 year old second cousin because when Elvis married Priscilla she was an adult and they weren't related to each other.

[Brian]

I wish that Lisa would stop trying to convince the world that it was a "normal" relationship", no one believes that and in the end I think it reflects poorly on her. I know I would feel alot better if she came out and said "NO...we NEVER had sex."

IMO Debbie Rowe is a real lowlife...he could have picked a better incubator! ;)

Michael Jackson chose her to carry his children

She did that he took the kids and said adios to her.
she was doing MJ a favor.

Her saying she doesn't want the kids is alright with me after all she doesn't know them and they don't know her at least she's being honest.

[utmom2008]

You can't even compare Elvis to Jerry Lee Lewis situation with marrying his 13 year old second cousin because when Elvis married Priscilla she was an adult and they weren't related to each other.

Thank goodness!!;);):lol:(y)

[dj_ethan]

Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”

I want to say that this information it’s for sure (I mess up with the names because i was crying), I don’t really care if you believe it or not, I made a promise to an old friend to tell the truth when Michael will die and that’s what I’m doing. I’m not searching for attention i have enough of it. This is for you Mikey i will always love you…
After the sudden death of Michael Jackson Jordan Chandler tells the truth.

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.

Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”. Jordan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…

Under the influence of a controversial father (Evan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis.Evan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.
” Now for the first time i can’t bear to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”

This The Same For Gavin Arvizo !

[Getlo]

Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”

Again, no surprise.

As weird as MJ was, I never believed for a second that he ever actually fiddled with boys.

Sure, it was inappropriate and absolutely STUPID to share his bed with kids, but - in his own, warped world - it was a natural thing to do.

But overall, those sleepovers were innocent.


Elvis always ... carried himself with dignity in the public eye.

I can only half agree with you here.

While Elvis always had a personal dignity about him (ie courteous and grateful with fans, charity work etc) it was the performer dignity that often fell by the wayside with many shambolic public appearances.


It's obvious those are not his kids. but that's not to say that MJ wasn't a awesome performer when he was young.

No argument there, and that's what makes this a real tragedy. To see MJ singing ABC or whatever when he was 11, the Off The Wall era and finally Thriller .. he was undeniably brilliant.

But for me, the wheels fell off after that.

To paraphrase John Lennon about Elvis, "The real Michael died after Thriller".

I don't know all that much about MJ, but to me, he never seemed the same after that accident where he burnt his hair filming a Pepsi commercial.

Had he managed to maintain his looks and had he had people around him to pull him into line, there's no telling where he would have gone.

Sound familiar?

[elvislady]

I never got those comparisons myself

You can't compare what Jackson was accused of with Elvis situation for several reasons

Priscilla has said they didn't have sex in Germany and no one can prove that they did and Elvis was never accused of this by anyone not Priscilla's parents not anyone.

Michael Jackson was accused by several people of molesting them and the authorities thought they had enough evidence to charge Jackson and bring him up on charges this happened twice with him going to trial over it on one occasion.

Having said that Michael Jackson was never convicted of any of this and was acquitted but you can't compare Elvis situation to his because they are different.

You can't even compare Elvis to Jerry Lee Lewis situation with marrying his 13 year old second cousin because when Elvis married Priscilla she was an adult and they weren't related to each other.

I dont believe micheal commited these acts...
elvislady

[Brian]

I dont believe micheal commited these acts...
elvislady

I didn't say he did but he was accused of commiting them.

That's just a fact

[elvislady]

I didn't say he did but he was accused of commiting them.

That's just a fact

I didnt say you said that, its my view that he didnt do them i am just quoting what you said!
elvislady:doh:

[dj_ethan]

Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”

I want to say that this information it’s for sure (I mess up with the names because i was crying), I don’t really care if you believe it or not, I made a promise to an old friend to tell the truth when Michael will die and that’s what I’m doing. I’m not searching for attention i have enough of it. This is for you Mikey i will always love you…
After the sudden death of Michael Jackson Jordan Chandler tells the truth.

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.

Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”. Jordan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…

Under the influence of a controversial father (Evan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis.Evan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.
” Now for the first time i can’t bear to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.”

This The Same For Gavin Arvizo !

[sasha]

Have You read this book?I've heard about this.ppl say it is good.

Some points brought out in this book and the woman that wrote it.
It's not worth arguing about to me. People will believe what they want.
But, wouldn't it be nice if people tried to find facts instead of criticizing and abusing?

For the first time since 1993, the sole legal secretary for the father of the then 13-year old boy that accused Mr. Jackson of molestation him, steps forward with new information about the 1993 child molestation case against Michael Jackson and notes the striking resemblance between the 1993 case and the recent allegations.

1) Barry Rothman, the accuser's lawyer, with whom Geraldine Hugh's worked with, was chosen because he was a 'mean, nasty, SOB, who didn't mind breaking every rule to get what he wanted.'

2) The accuser's father, Evan Chandler, wanted 20 million dollars up front for a 'movie deal' or he would go ahead with allegations against MJ. An obvious extortion attempt.

3) Evan Chandler was recorded saying that 'there will be a massacre' if he went ahead with his 'plan' to 'destroy Michael Jackson'. When asked what effect this would have on his son, Evan said, "Thats irrelevant!" and ended by saying, 'If I go through with this, I win big time, there is no way that I lose.'

4)Evan and June Chandler were fighting for custody of Jordan. For Evan's "plan" to work, he needed to brainwash Jordan. He therefore took the boy and refused to return him. When a court order demanded he do so, Evan didn't mention the fact that he was afraid for his son's welfare. No mention of sex abuse. Why? Because the court order took them off guard...Rothman said, 'Let's stick to the plan.'

5)The fact that Jordan "revealed" the allegations to a doctor, who would have to report the abuse to the authorities. Rothman and Evan did this so that they couldn't be held liable in a resulting lawsuit.

6)Evan Chandler's "nervous breakdown" when the allegations surfaced and his fear that he could "go to jail" if the extortion charges were proved by Jackson.

And finally, Hughes reveals Chandler's history of making 'death threats' against his ex-wife and new husband, that he would 'kill them all, including the children' and the fact that he assaulted June Chandler's new husband on two occasions. Not a very nice person indeed!

I think this book makes some excellent points about the case and makes very clear that the entire thing was lies made up to extort 20 million dollars from Michael Jackson. Sadly, in the end, Evan Chandler got his money. But at what price? It's now been revealed that Jordan never saw his mother since the settlement and before he turned 18, he divorced his parents to secure his millions.

[sasha]

The Chandler "confession" was already reported as a hoax on the "real news".
{try Washington Post}

Also, on TV news it's been reported Debbie Rowe hasn't even talked to any reporter. She's at her home/ranch where she lives.

I really don't care. I'm just a "politic junkie" and watch/read the News constantly. Just like to see the truth, not Tabloid stuff .;)

[Teddy]

I was really hoping the Chandler confession was real (n)

[utmom2008]

I was really hoping the Chandler confession was real (n)

I never understood why MJ settled, in many minds that was as good as a confession. Do you remember when MJ was on TV discussing that his genitals had been photographed? It was rumored that the boy's description of MJ's privates was a perfect match to what the photos showed.
And that leads me to the obvious question.....what was so different about MJ's privates? http://smiley.net.ru/emooth153.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth5.htm)

[May]

I think i'll give that question a miss.:blush::D

[utmom2008]

I think i'll give that question a miss.:blush::D

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[midnight]

I never understood why MJ settled, in many minds that was as good as a confession. Do you remember when MJ was on TV discussing that his genitals had been photographed? It was rumored that the boy's description of MJ's privates was a perfect match to what the photos showed.
And that leads me to the obvious question.....what was so different about MJ's privates? http://smiley.net.ru/emooth153.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth5.htm)

I was wondering the same thing! Maybe they were "black and white"!:lol: Now I am waiting to be blasted for saying such a thing!!:doh:

[sasha]

I never understood why MJ settled, in many minds that was as good as a confession. Do you remember when MJ was on TV discussing that his genitals had been photographed? It was rumored that the boy's description of MJ's privates was a perfect match to what the photos showed.
And that leads me to the obvious question.....what was so different about MJ's privates? http://smiley.net.ru/emooth153.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth5.htm)

That was my question. I'm no expert; but I've seen a few.
Don't think I could ID any of them from a picture. :doh:

It takes all kinds, I guess. ;)

[midnight]

That was my question. I'm no expert; but I've seen a few.
Don't think I could ID any of them from a picture. :doh:

It takes all kinds, I guess. ;)

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[elvislady]

I was wondering the same thing! Maybe they were "black and white"!:lol: Now I am waiting to be blasted for saying such a thing!!:doh:

Thats below the belt!
elvislady:D

[utmom2008]

That was my question. I'm no expert; but I've seen a few.
Don't think I could ID any of them from a picture. :doh:

It takes all kinds, I guess. ;)

http://smiley.net.ru/emolau070.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emolau2.htm) http://smiley.net.ru/emolau023.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emolau1.htm) http://smiley.net.ru/emolau176.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emolau6.htm)

[midnight]

Thats below the belt!
elvislady:D

I have to admit it was a "low blow"! :lol:

[utmom2008]

I was wondering the same thing! Maybe they were "black and white"!:lol: Now I am waiting to be blasted for saying such a thing!!:doh:

Maybe he bleached them out along with the rest of his body. ;) http://smiley.net.ru/emolau187.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emolau6.htm)

[elvislady]

I have to admit it was a "low blow"! :lol:

I did think the same thing tho!
elvislady:)

[midnight]

That was my question. I'm no expert; but I've seen a few.
Don't think I could ID any of them from a picture. :doh:

It takes all kinds, I guess. ;)

I have been with my hubby too long. I thought when you "seen one you seen them all". Gee now I am curious!:blush:

[elvislady]

I have been with my hubby too long. I thought when you "seen one you seen them all". Gee now I am curious!:blush:

LMAO!
elvislady:D

[utmom2008]

I have been with my hubby too long. I thought when you "seen one you seen them all". Gee now I am curious!:blush:

http://smiley.net.ru/emocnf070.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emocnf2.htm) http://smiley.net.ru/emocnf069.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emocnf2.htm)

[Pacerstar]

Again, no surprise.

As weird as MJ was, I never believed for a second that he ever actually fiddled with boys.

Sure, it was inappropriate and absolutely STUPID to share his bed with kids, but - in his own, warped world - it was a natural thing to do.

But overall, those sleepovers were innocent.



I can only half agree with you here.

While Elvis always had a personal dignity about him (ie courteous and grateful with fans, charity work etc) it was the performer dignity that often fell by the wayside with many shambolic public appearances.



No argument there, and that's what makes this a real tragedy. To see MJ singing ABC or whatever when he was 11, the Off The Wall era and finally Thriller .. he was undeniably brilliant.

But for me, the wheels fell off after that.

To paraphrase John Lennon about Elvis, "The real Michael died after Thriller".

I don't know all that much about MJ, but to me, he never seemed the same after that accident where he burnt his hair filming a Pepsi commercial.

Had he managed to maintain his looks and had he had people around him to pull him into line, there's no telling where he would have gone.

Sound familiar?
I am taking exception to the phrase, "shambolic appearances". I was in the
audience for the second to last concert Elvis ever gave, and I can assure you
his performance was no sham! Did you ever see him "live' in concert?:hmm:

[utmom2008]

I was in the
audience for the second to last concert Elvis ever gave, and I can assure you
his performance was no sham! Did you ever see him "live' in concert?:hmm:

Did you ever see him in concert other than June of 1977? http://smiley.net.ru/emooth231.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth7.htm)

[Pacerstar]

Did you ever see him in concert other than June of 1977? http://smiley.net.ru/emooth231.gif (http://smiley.net.ru/emooth7.htm)

Yes, I did. I saw him in 1971 and three other concerts in 1976.:D

[tcbeus]

Thank You Sasha.Agree.I think i've read about most of these on the internet.Even Chandler(boy's dad) wanted to be a screenwriter.
I have the book ,Michael Jackson Conspiracy.Very interesting.This book is about the trial(Arvizo family).It also speaks about the Chandler(1993) case.They wanted to bring Jordy Chandler to the stand to testify against MJ.Only his mother came.WHY?...and she started her testimony with something like.."first of all,i want clear up one thing,I never accused MJ.....






Some points brought out in this book and the woman that wrote it.
It's not worth arguing about to me. People will believe what they want.
But, wouldn't it be nice if people tried to find facts instead of criticizing and abusing?

For the first time since 1993, the sole legal secretary for the father of the then 13-year old boy that accused Mr. Jackson of molestation him, steps forward with new information about the 1993 child molestation case against Michael Jackson and notes the striking resemblance between the 1993 case and the recent allegations.

1) Barry Rothman, the accuser's lawyer, with whom Geraldine Hugh's worked with, was chosen because he was a 'mean, nasty, SOB, who didn't mind breaking every rule to get what he wanted.'

2) The accuser's father, Evan Chandler, wanted 20 million dollars up front for a 'movie deal' or he would go ahead with allegations against MJ. An obvious extortion attempt.

3) Evan Chandler was recorded saying that 'there will be a massacre' if he went ahead with his 'plan' to 'destroy Michael Jackson'. When asked what effect this would have on his son, Evan said, "Thats irrelevant!" and ended by saying, 'If I go through with this, I win big time, there is no way that I lose.'

4)Evan and June Chandler were fighting for custody of Jordan. For Evan's "plan" to work, he needed to brainwash Jordan. He therefore took the boy and refused to return him. When a court order demanded he do so, Evan didn't mention the fact that he was afraid for his son's welfare. No mention of sex abuse. Why? Because the court order took them off guard...Rothman said, 'Let's stick to the plan.'

5)The fact that Jordan "revealed" the allegations to a doctor, who would have to report the abuse to the authorities. Rothman and Evan did this so that they couldn't be held liable in a resulting lawsuit.

6)Evan Chandler's "nervous breakdown" when the allegations surfaced and his fear that he could "go to jail" if the extortion charges were proved by Jackson.

And finally, Hughes reveals Chandler's history of making 'death threats' against his ex-wife and new husband, that he would 'kill them all, including the children' and the fact that he assaulted June Chandler's new husband on two occasions. Not a very nice person indeed!

I think this book makes some excellent points about the case and makes very clear that the entire thing was lies made up to extort 20 million dollars from Michael Jackson. Sadly, in the end, Evan Chandler got his money. But at what price? It's now been revealed that Jordan never saw his mother since the settlement and before he turned 18, he divorced his parents to secure his millions.

[utmom2008]

Yes, I did. I saw him in 1971 and three other concerts in 1976.:D

The first time I saw him was '71 also...where did you see him? :D

[TCB4ELVIS]

SHOCKER!!!!! TMZ just released a statement that the 3 kids are not biological children of MJ. Not even the one they said was the mother of the 2 older kids was biological. They say he never even adopted them.

I'm glad Getlo, UTMOM2008 and myself didn't fall for the hype..lol


here's the link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-surrogate-children-in-vitro/

[Brian]

SHOCKER!!!!! TMZ just released a statement that the 3 kids are not biological children of MJ. Not even the one they said was the mother of the 2 older kids was biological. They say he never even adopted them.

I'm glad Getlo, UTMOM2008 and myself didn't fall for the hype..lol


here's the link

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-surrogate-children-in-vitro/

Most people knew those weren't Jackson's biological children
All you have to do is look at them

[Pacerstar]

The first time I saw him was '71 also...where did you see him? :D

I saw him in Cincinnati OH in 1971. Fantastic show!:)

[beckelvis]

FOR MY ELVIS ALWAYS WAS OCCUPING THE FIRST PLACE OF MY HEART AND MY LIFE,BUT MICHAEL JACKSON I LIKED TO HAVE GOOD MUSIC.
IN SPAIN THE PEOPLE ALSO SHOKED,LOOKS LIE!!!!
THIS IS MY FAVORITE SONG OF MICHAEL!
YouTube - Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana

[TCB4ELVIS]

Most people knew those weren't Jackson's biological children
All you have to do is look at them

Nobody else wanted to even touch on the subject on here, so I don't think "most people knew", I think most people were afraid to say something cause he had just passed away. But, Micheal Jackson was a great singer and performer that has nothing to do with all the stunts he pulled on the media. My question is, why not have real kids? I don't understand it, not unless he was a homosexual in real life and wanted to distract the public from finding out. Even if he was, it doesn't take away from some of the great music and performances he had contributed to the music industry.

[Brian]

Nobody else wanted to even touch on the subject on here, so I don't think "most people knew", I think most people were afraid to say something cause he had just passed away. But, Micheal Jackson was a great singer and performer that has nothing to do with all the stunts he pulled on the media. My question is, why not have real kids? I don't understand it, not unless he was a homosexual in real life and wanted to distract the public from finding out. Even if he was, it doesn't take away from some of the great music and performances he had contributed to the music industry.

I mentioned that those kids weren't Jackson's biologically on one of the many other MJ threads. I'm afraid of nothing it's just the truth

Lisa Marie didn't wanna have kids with him (I don't blame her) and he really wanted kids
After there sham of a relationship he met Dbbie Rowe they were just friends
He wanted to have kids not a relationship and she offered to have his children then after she couldn't have anymore he told her to get lost.
How nice of him.

[TCB4ELVIS]

I mentioned that those kids weren't Jackson's biologically on one of the many other MJ threads. I'm afraid of nothing it's just the truth

Lisa Marie didn't wanna have kids with him (I don't blame her) and he really wanted kids
After there sham of a relationship he met Dbbie Rowe they were just friends
He wanted to have kids not a relationship and she offered to have his children then after she couldn't have anymore he told her to get lost.
How nice of him.

My bad...that's horrible how he dissed her. Maybe the Jackson family leaked it out cause what's the point of custody if they're not really his?

[sasha]

There's been too many crazy stories put out here. As a hoax.
Since I don't know what the truth is; I'll just wait until the DNA is done.
I just feel sorry for the kids .Not only have they lost the only father they've ever known, they have to hear all the BS too . :'(

[Brian]

My bad...that's horrible how he dissed her. Maybe the Jackson family leaked it out cause what's the point of custody if they're not really his?

Well he took care of those kids and he provided for them even if they weren't his legally

I think the kids will end with MJ parents since they were well taken care of and no one knows who the biological parents are.

[elvislady]

Nobody else wanted to even touch on the subject on here, so I don't think "most people knew", I think most people were afraid to say something cause he had just passed away. But, Micheal Jackson was a great singer and performer that has nothing to do with all the stunts he pulled on the media. My question is, why not have real kids? I don't understand it, not unless he was a homosexual in real life and wanted to distract the public from finding out. Even if he was, it doesn't take away from some of the great music and performances he had contributed to the music industry.

I dont think you know us that well on here yet to say we are afraid to touch on the subject.... i think we are known for are long debates.
elvislady:D

[Teddy]

I mentioned that those kids weren't Jackson's biologically on one of the many other MJ threads. I'm afraid of nothing it's just the truth


Michael said it himself- "...the kid is not my son" ;)

[midnight]

Well he took care of those kids and he provided for them even if they weren't his legally

I think the kids will end with MJ parents since they were well taken care of and no one knows who the biological parents are.

I don't know about MJ's parents taking them. Michaels father is not who I woulds call a "good parent".

[Teddy]

I don't know about MJ's parents taking them. Michaels father is not who I woulds call a "good parent".

You can say that again!
Michael would turn in his Hyperbaric Chamber if he thought Joe was getting 'em! :mad:

[Brian]

I don't know about MJ's parents taking them. Michaels father is not who I woulds call a "good parent".

Doesn't matter

He and Katherine Jackson have the money to provide for the children

Who else is going to take the children

They already have temporary custody.

[elvislady]

Doesn't matter

He and Katherine Jackson have the money to provide for the children

Who else is going to take the children

They already have temporary custody.

(y)(y)(y)(y)
elvislady

[May]

Doesn't matter

He and Katherine Jackson have the money to provide for the children

Who else is going to take the children

They already have temporary custody.

What, so, just because a person is rich , automatically allows them to have custody of 3 children, and the whole background of said person doesnt come into it at all? Thats just plain wrong! Doesnt matter who you are or how famous(n)

As far as who else is going to take them. One of Michaels brothers??
If the media is correct (and I do have my doubts!!!) Joe Jacklson wasnt even in Michaels will. That surely alone shows his contempt for his father.

[Brian]

As far as who else is going to take them. One of Michaels brothers??
If the media is correct (and I do have my doubts!!!) Joe Jacklson wasnt even in Michaels will. That surely alone shows his contempt for his father.

Yeah, but he didn't leave his mother out of the will she'll get custody.

Katherine and Joe Jackson are still married so if she gets custody he will get
custody too.

I don't think the brothers are going to get custody.
one reason is they aren't applying for custody and Katherine Jackson already has.

[debtdbruno]

What a mess!!!!!

[utmom2008]

My question is, why not have real kids?

I know what you are asking, but the way you phrased it just cracked me up! Are these "imitation" kids? :lol::lol::lol:

[utmom2008]

Katherine and Joe Jackson are still married so if she gets custody he will get
custody too.



They have been separated and living in separate homes for many years. Katherine is named in the will...Joe isn't.:blink:

[utmom2008]

Lisa Marie didn't wanna have kids with him (I don't blame her) and he really wanted kids


Watch this at 3:40. She mentions having a child with him.

YouTube - Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Interview P4


Well he took care of those kids and he provided for them even if they weren't his legally



If he filed adoption papers then those kids are legally his children.:blink:

[debtdbruno]

His will states he wants Diana Ross to be guardian if his Mother dies

[TCB4ELVIS]

Watch this at 3:40. She mentions having a child with him.

YouTube - Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Interview P4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Pt6gjwjyM&feature=channel)



If he filed adoption papers then those kids are legally his children.:blink:

What a BS interview. BS on LMP & MJ's part. They are very bad actors ops I mean, lairs..lol

[Brian]

Watch this at 3:40. She mentions having a child with him.

YouTube - Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Interview P4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5Pt6gjwjyM&feature=channel)



If he filed adoption papers then those kids are legally his children.:blink:

They are saying he didn't legally adopt them
Michael Jackson was always lying saying he was the father of those 2 kids that he and Debbie Rowe had a real marriage.

What Lisa Marie says publictly and privately are two different things.

[utmom2008]

What Lisa Marie says publictly and privately are two different things.

Agreed, but are you privy to their private conversations?

[Brian]

Agreed, but are you privy to their private conversations?


No, I just find it believable about Lisa not wanting kids with him

During the molestation trial the people on the news were interviewing a young man who had befriended Jackson when he was boy they asked him several questions including what MJ thought of Lisa Marie Presley.

The man replied that MJ had told him that he thought Lisa Marie was selfish because she refused to have any children with him.

Then when Debbie Rowe was interview a couple days ago she said that she only offered to have MJ children after he told her Lisa Marie refused to have any children with him.

So it seems more than likely we have 2 independent sources on this
and like I've said before the marriage was a complete sham.

[utmom2008]

Then when Debbie Rowe was interview a couple days ago she said that she only offered to have MJ children after he told her Lisa Marie refused to have any children with him.

So it seems more than likely we have 2 independent sources on this
and like I've said before the marriage was a complete sham.

Where did you see the Debbie Rowe interview? I would like to see that! I always thought it was a sham, I thought any of the female relationships he had were shams. I saw an old interview with him the other night and he was talking about being scared to death sexually of Tatum O'Neal when they were young. :supriced::lol::lol:

[molokai123]

interesting article i found on cnn


(CNN) -- Michael Jackson's financial woes were well documented: Numerous lawsuits, loss of control of his beloved Neverland and reports that he was hundreds of millions of dollars in debt all point to a complex money mess that trailed the King of Pop as vigilantly as his most ardent fans.


Images of Michael Jackson like these held by fans at the Apollo Theater may prove profitable to his estate.

But might he find the financial success in death that eluded him in the last years of his life?

"A few years ago, a gentleman came along with the public company called CKX, and they purchased the intellectual property rights associated with Elvis Presley and that was in excess of $100 million," said Mark Roesler, chairman and chief executive officer of CMG Worldwide, a business and marketing agent whose client roster boasts several deceased celebrities, including James Dean and Marilyn Monroe.

"The most logical question is [whether Michael Jackson is] worth more than Elvis," Roesler added. "And I think the answer to that would be yes."

Experts predict that millions could flow into the Jackson estate coffers with renewed interest in his life and music after his unexpected death.

According to Nielsen SoundScan, Jackson-related titles dominated the top nine positions on Billboard's Top Pop Catalog Albums chart released Wednesday, a feat never before accomplished.

Billboard said that with his "Number Ones" album at No. 1 on the chart with sales of 108,000 (an increase of 2,340 percent), it marked the first time a catalog album has sold more than the No. 1 current set on the Billboard 200 albums chart by outselling the Black Eyed Peas' "The E.N.D." which was No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart with 88,000 sold in the past week.

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None of this comes as a surprise to Roesler, whose company was a pioneer in the field of getting compensation for deceased celebrities.

"Intellectual property" refers to creations of the mind such as inventions, literary and artistic works, as well as symbols, names, images and designs used in commerce. They are considered intangible assets.

Roesler, who served as an expert witness during the Goldman family's civil suit against O.J. Simpson and worked with singer Nick Lachey during his divorce from Jessica Simpson, said those intangible assets can be valued.

That means that when Madison Avenue comes calling to use an image of Jackson or a song that he has copyrighted for advertising purposes, that could mean millions of dollars paid to the estate, Roesler said.

"There's really not that much of a difference between the living clients we represent and the deceased client, nor is there much of a difference in how they are used except the obvious in that [the deceased] can't personally endorse a product," said Roesler whose CMG also represents historical figures including Mark Twain as well as sports figures such as Babe Ruth and living celebs like Scott Baio.

"We have a program with Lee jeans over in Japan that uses [the image of] James Dean on one line, and they use Brad Pitt on another."

Henry Schafer is executive vice president for Marketing Evaluations, Inc., The Q Scores Company in Manhasset, New York, which provides advertising clients with data on the appeal and likability of celebrities.

Schafer said his firm had been measuring Jackson consistently up through 2006, at which point they stopped because of lack of interest from their clients.

Back then, Schafer said, Jackson did not score well.

"Basically, two out of three consumers didn't like him," Schafer said. "It was a pretty strong negative reaction given the trial he went through, the personal problems and the lack of performing. So there was really no need to update his scores."

The pop icon will probably score extremely high in universal recognition, Schafer said, right up there with the likes of Lucille Ball, who Marketing Evaluations currently rates as the public's favorite dead celebrity.

As for how well Jackson will rank with consumers, Schafer said that depends on a number of factors, including what the investigation into his death reveals.

"He'll probably have better scores in death than he did as a living individual," Schafer said. "That's most likely what's going to happen because of the sympathetic reaction. So then it becomes a question of the attributes associated with Michael Jackson, how marketable are they and to what extent can his name be associated with different types of products and services."

Schafer said Jackson will be added to a study on the appeal of deceased celebrities scheduled for the fall, which will measure him against other deceased advertising icons, especially those with similar troubled stories like Elvis Presley.

The comparisons between "The King" and "The King of Pop" are apt considering the similar circumstances of their final years.

At the time of their deaths, both had not had hit albums in some time, were considered to be reclusive and still elicited frenzied reactions among fans.

And there is also the issue of prescription drugs and reports of questionable doctors, confirmed in the aftermath of the death of Presley and speculated about with Jackson.

Presley's estate was able to navigate what at the time was a controversial death into a vast empire complete with licensing deals, marketing of Elvis-related merchandise and the transformation of his Graceland estate into a pilgrimage destination for fans.

The millions of dollars his estate produced annually have landed him in the Forbes rankings of "Top Earning Dead Celebrities," where he placed first last year, earning more than $52 million.

Kevin Kern, director of public relations for Elvis Presley Enterprises, Inc. said in an email to CNN that, "We are politely declining all media requests of this nature. We don't wish to get involved in the Michael Jackson media frenzy."

He instead referenced a link on the company's Web site which outlines how the management team of The Elvis Presley Trust and its business entity, Elvis Presley Enterprises, Inc. achieved its success.

Forbes senior editor Matthew Miller said he doubts Jackson's estate will be able to duplicate that level of success.

It's unclear at this point the total value of Jackson's assets, including his interest in the Beatles catalogue, Miller said, and it could take years to sort everything out.

"If I had to venture a guess, and it's only a hypothesis at this point, I would think that Jackson's estate ends up in bankruptcy and the question will be do they have to sell off assets in order to pay off the debts," Miller said.

Miller said he could not imagine that Neverland will become Jackson's Graceland because of his past legal issues.

"We are looking at Michael Jackson through rose-colored glasses right now, but if you look at him as an entertainment brand...he will be known for two things," Miller said. "He was one of the greatest entertainers in the world and was continually accused of child molestation. Those accusations stemmed from activities that [allegedly] happened at Neverland Ranch, so I don't think people are going to continually go there and pay money to see it."

CMG chairman and CEO Mark Roesler has a different take on it.

Jackson was found innocent of those charges and controversy has long plagued stars even after death, said Roesler, who pointed to examples of emerging stories over the years about celebrities such as Marilyn Monroe.



Even though the actress has been dead almost a half a century, she still has appeal, and Roesler predicts the Jackson "is still going to be relevant generations from now" despite all of the speculation.

"You constantly see rumors about celebrities, and it just feeds the legend," Roesler said. "It's all part of the public fasc

[sasha]

Where did you see the Debbie Rowe interview? I would like to see that! . :supriced::lol::lol:

Yes, I'd like to see that too. Especially since all the "real news" says she hasn't given any interviews yet.

[Brian]

Where did you see the Debbie Rowe interview? I would like to see that! I always thought it was a sham, I thought any of the female relationships he had were shams. I saw an old interview with him the other night and he was talking about being scared to death sexually of Tatum O'Neal when they were young. :supriced::lol::lol:
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/people/debbie-rowe-i-wont-see-jacksons-children-again-20090629-d1si.html

Here you go Roseanne

[sasha]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/exclusive-debbie-rowe-interview-fake

Headlines abound suggest a British tabloid claimed that Debbie Rowe, surrogate mother to Michael Jackson's two children, said the singer wasn't the father of his proposed children--and that she had no interest in obtaining custody of the kids.

Rowe's attorney, Marta Almli exclusively tells RadarOnline.com, "The interview did not occur. The article is a complete fabrication."
Rowe was married to Michael and had two children with the pop star. She reportedly has never had a relationship with the children.

Almli said she was unable, at this point, to answer any further questions about actions Rowe would be taking in regards to the children.

[sasha]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/debbie-rowe-michael-is-no_n_222027.html

UPDATE: Roger Friedman of Showbiz411.com says that the News of the World story refers to a 2004 interview and that the only interview Rowe has done since Jackson's death was with him.

She told me during a brief conversation today: "I lost my best friend."
Rowe was married to Jackson when she had Prince Michael I and Paris Katherine. But it was always understood that they'd part. Now, she is in tears missing her friend.

So far, Rowe has not addressed the issue of the kids or custody despite frantic reports. She wouldn't do that, she says. "Michael hasn't even been buried," she says. Rowe has always had an excellent relationship with Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, and looks forward to talking to her soon, and possibly even seeing the children when the time is right.

[Brian]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/exclusive-debbie-rowe-interview-fake

Headlines abound suggest a British tabloid claimed that Debbie Rowe, surrogate mother to Michael Jackson's two children, said the singer wasn't the father of his proposed children--and that she had no interest in obtaining custody of the kids.

Rowe's attorney, Marta Almli exclusively tells RadarOnline.com, "The interview did not occur. The article is a complete fabrication."
Rowe was married to Michael and had two children with the pop star. She reportedly has never had a relationship with the children.

Almli said she was unable, at this point, to answer any further questions about actions Rowe would be taking in regards to the children.


Debbie Rowe probably changed her mind and now wants to seek custody of the kids for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I believe the interview to be legit it's all over the internet

[sasha]

Debbie Rowe probably changed her mind and now wants to seek custody of the kids for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I believe the interview to be legit it's all over the internet

Not here to argue.

I just know that Chandler "confession" was a hoax and that only took 20 minutes to run that down. It was all over the internet too.

I give people the benefit of doubt until I see facts.
I'll wait to see what happens. ;)

[Brian]

Not here to argue.

I just know that Chandler "confession" was a hoax and that only took 20 minutes to run that down. It was all over the internet too.

I give people the benefit of doubt until I see facts.
I'll wait to see what happens. ;)

Well the interview rings true to me especially those kids not being his biologically.

TMZ who has been right many times has reported the same thing

[sasha]

Might find this interesting too.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=14257337

[Wendy56]

Lets see if people will remember Michael Jackson 30+ years from now.
Why not, If people remember that old terrible group (4) from London......... why not Michael?

[Teddy]

Why not, If people remember that old terrible group (4) from London.........

Who?? :doh:

[May]

They have been separated and living in separate homes for many years. Katherine is named in the will...Joe isn't.:blink:

Oh really? Didnt know that. Good news for the 3 kids though..