Elvis's death discrepancies

[MissyM]

Ok, I've heard that there are different stories about when the ambulance arrived. What is this all about?? Anyone??

[john carpenter]

Missy, go on You Tube. Billy Smith (Elvis' cousin) gives different accounts of when the ambulance arrived...Joe too! It just goes on!:doh:

[Diane]

I'd tend to go with Billy's accounting of when the ambulance arrived...Joe has had too many discrepancies in things he's said.

Diane

[MissyM]

I know what Billy said and for a long time never knew there was a discrepancy. Maybe you remember....I don't really like to talk about the death. But I got to thinking..maybe there is a perfectly reasonable explaination, (and I read it here) and I just forgot.

[debtdbruno]

It all goes back to protecting the 'Image', which was so important then. Now of course we know about the pills, but stories have a way of changing as people forget what they originally said all those years ago

Deb

[KPM]

I think you've got all these people who found out at differing times when this occured. So they recall the time different. Protecting the image as always may have had something to do with it-I just think in times of stress times, dates, etc. are very easy to confuse and recall. I recall my grandfathers heart attack which killed him-my sister came into church on Sunday after it happened to tell my wife and I that they had taken grandpa to the hospital and it looked bad-what time was it??? I have no clue but my guess is around 10:30 am since the choir had just came down from the stage- but its a guess.

[MissyM]

That's pretty much what I always thought KPM, but there are people out there in the Elvis fan world who really think there is something suspicious about it. I don't want to discredit their feelings. I just wondered if most people think is is so strange.

[Diane]

That's pretty much what I always thought KPM, but there are people out there in the Elvis fan world who really think there is something suspicious about it. I don't want to discredit their feelings. I just wondered if most people think is is so strange.

I rather doubt that there is anything left about Elvis that people haven't questioned and there still a lot that no one will ever know and that's how it should be.

Diane

[KPM]

That's pretty much what I always thought KPM, but there are people out there in the Elvis fan world who really think there is something suspicious about it. I don't want to discredit their feelings. I just wondered if most people think is is so strange.
I have noticed that also-the word "conspiracy" sums it up.
Some think he was murdered, some think he died somewhere else, some think he killed himself, some think he was abducted by aliens (well maybe some do).....
I just think it happened and people panicked-time stopped for them. They were in the moment of the death and the things which happened were like a dreamy blur and all saw it different-depending on where they were, the time they found out, the amount of shock they were in as it played out. Police investigating crimes sometimes hear completely differing stories... times, descriptions, etc....from credible witnesses who just reacted and observed different in times of crisis.

[debtdbruno]

I am not doing the 'rose tinted glasses thing'.........but I'm convinced regardless of the pills, he died of a heart-attack. Some won't agree....that's ok, we all have different views.
Not going the 'premonition' route...........but I wonder if Elvis did actually realise how poorly he was? he has been quoted as saying he wouldn't live past 42, but I don't think he was serious. But couldn't he tell himself, how ill he was?

Deb

[Tony Trout]

he has been quoted as saying he wouldn't live past 42, but I don't think he was serious. But couldn't he tell himself, how ill he was?

Deb


He actually said: "I'll never make it much beyond forty." He (IIRC) never gave a specific age. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, his death was actually caused by polypharmacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypharmacy) - he was basically taking too much of the stuff he was taking - and it cost him the ultimate sacrifice - his life.

If you can find a copy, please read "The Death Of Elvis - What Really Happened?" because it's a huge eye-opener into what actually killed Elvis.

[KPM]

He actually said: "I'll never make it much beyond forty." He (IIRC) never gave a specific age. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, his death was actually caused by polypharmacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polypharmacy) - he was basically taking too much of the stuff he was taking - and it cost him the ultimate sacrifice - his life.

If you can find a copy, please read "The Death Of Elvis - What Really Happened?" because it's a huge eye-opener into what actually killed Elvis.
Respectfully Tony we will have to disagree. There is another view.
I have read this book and also "Elvis Up Close" in which the other view of his death is examined by doctors who run through the reasons it was not a death by drug overdose.
Also the Tennessee court ordered review of Elvis death in 1994 did not support the overdose by drugs view.
"There is nothing," said coroner Dr Joseph Davis, "in any of the data that supports a death from drugs. In fact, everything points to a sudden, violent heart attack." This is the only comment Davis has ever publicly made about this review.
On WIki someone has added a comment about polypharmacy which appears to be part of Dr. Davis's statement-but it in fact is not. (I followed the links) It comes from 1979, when Charlie Thompson from the ABC television news show, 20/20, asked Cyril Wecht to review and interpret the medical reports he had acquired for Presley-Wechts comment has been added on Wiki to appear as if it was part of Dr. Davis's 1994 review. Davis does say long term drug misuse weakened Elvis.


I have researched deaths by downer type medications since reading the book and and a "violent heart attack" is not the way downer type medications kill -they cause people to pass out, their heartbeats/ blood pressure slows, and they either go into a coma/heart eventually stopping or there lungs fill with vomit and they die.
Elvis had a "violent heart attack" while awake.... his lungs were clear according to the doctors in the book "Elvis up Close"
I am not wanting to start this age old debate up-just want to make it clear there was no medical consensus in 1977 and still no consensus in 2009.
It is a debateable subject and I just wanted the other side shown for the record. :blush:

[Tony Trout]

Respectfully Tony we will have to disagree. There is another view.
I have read this book and also "Elvis Up Close" in which the other view of his death is examined by doctors who run through the reasons it was not a death by drug overdose.
Also the Tennessee court ordered review of Elvis death in 1994 did not support the overdose by drugs view.
"There is nothing," said coroner Dr Joseph Davis, "in any of the data that supports a death from drugs. In fact, everything points to a sudden, violent heart attack." This is the only comment Davis has ever publicly made about this review.
On WIki someone has added a comment about polypharmacy which appears to be part of Dr. Davis's statement-but it in fact is not. (I followed the links) It comes from 1979, when Charlie Thompson from the ABC television news show, 20/20, asked Cyril Wecht to review and interpret the medical reports he had acquired for Presley-Wechts comment has been added on Wiki to appear as if it was part of Dr. Davis's 1994 review. Davis does say long term drug misuse weakened Elvis.


I have researched deaths by downer type medications since reading the book and and a "violent heart attack" is not the way downer type medications kill -they cause people to pass out, their heartbeats/ blood pressure slows, and they either go into a coma/heart eventually stopping or there lungs fill with vomit and they die.
Elvis had a "violent heart attack" while awake.... his lungs were clear according to the doctors in the book "Elvis up Close"
I am not wanting to start this age old debate up-just want to make it clear there was no medical consensus in 1977 and still no consensus in 2009.
It is a debateable subject and I just wanted the other side shown for the record. :blush:


Thanks for your opinion, bro. We'll agree to disagree. Now, you've got me wanting to find a copy of the book you mentioned, darn it! :P:P

[KPM]

Thanks for your opinion, bro. We'll agree to disagree. Now, you've got me wanting to find a copy of the book you mentioned, darn it! :P:P
I found it at a flea market. It is a really interesting book-they interviewed over 150 family, friends, business associates etc all the way from Tupelo to Hollywood and everything between. The last chapter discusses the death, drugs, his health problems in quite a bit of detail. Several doctors discuss the autopsy and the drugs. Dr. Nick mentions things like the treatments he gave Elvis before performances (not liquid cocaine)
He mentions other health problems Elvis was treated for that I never had heard elsewhere-but he also does not whitewash Elvis and his thinking that some pill would solve anything. Nor the fact that Elvis misused drugs and had to be watched. He mentions arthritis in the back and neck of Elvis.
This was the first place I ever heard Elvis's colon problem was congenital-a twisted ganglionic fold in the colon which he was born with.
Many great stories and insights in this book about his life.

[celine]

I found it at a flea market. It is a really interesting book-they interviewed over 150 family, friends, business associates etc all the way from Tupelo to Hollywood and everything between. The last chapter discusses the death, drugs, his health problems in quite a bit of detail. Several doctors discuss the autopsy and the drugs. Dr. Nick mentions things like the treatments he gave Elvis before performances (not liquid cocaine)
He mentions other health problems Elvis was treated for that I never had heard elsewhere-but he also does not whitewash Elvis and his thinking that some pill would solve anything. Nor the fact that Elvis misused drugs and had to be watched. He mentions arthritis in the back and neck of Elvis.
This was the first place I ever heard Elvis's colon problem was congenital-a twisted ganglionic fold in the colon which he was born with.
Many great stories and insights in this book about his life.

Sounds very interesting indeed. What's the name of the book, author, issue year etc? I am very much interested in getting it somehow.

[jak]

As others said peoples stories change over the years.It's just due to the passage of time and human nature to forget certain things.I think the fans are more concerned with details more so than the people who were actually there.I think you have a different perspective on things when you were on the inside,rather than the outside looking in like the fans.Fans analyze every detail of Elvis' life on a continous basis.
I will agree with Tony about Elvis' death.To me it's obvious.If Im not mistaken Vernon had the autopsy results sealed.If those results would have indicated a purely natural cause of death, they would not have been sealed.The coverup of the true reason of Elvis' death began shortly after his body was discovered.The image had to be maintained for the sake of business.