Who thinks this is Opening night 1969?

[hgs262626]

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=83126&c=41
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=83126&c=41

Who thinks this is Opening night 1969?
I do, the scarf is the same as the press conference and he wore the two pieces earlier on in the season didnt he! Any thoughts would be really appreciated!!!!:D
Thank you

[moody-blues67]

I dont know :hmm::hmm::hmm:

[laura17]

during the opening season

[elvispresleytheking]

I'd say likely, not certain.

[Getlo]

While the pic is definitely from '69, it is not from opening night.

Thus far, no proven pictures from the night have surfaced.

[Sonny]

How can we know IF a pic is truly from opening night 1969?

Just asking friends, because I honestly would not know the answer.

[Getlo]

How can we know IF a pic is truly from opening night 1969?

In all these years, as I said, not a single confirmed pic has emerged.

Opening night '69 was very different to the opening nights in the years ahead.

The crowd was made up almost entirely of entertainers, people connected with the International, RCA etc ... industry types, family, friends.

And very, very few, if any, "regular" fans. And no working photographic media.

The people in the audience that night were very likely not willing to do the photo thing, like regular people, I think.

[Tommy]

In all these years, as I said, not a single confirmed pic has emerged.

Opening night '69 was very different to the opening nights in the years ahead.



The people in the audience that night were very likely not willing to do the photo thing, like regular people, I think.

Good summation, I have an honest question....were you there? I do believe maybe someone could have and would have taken photos.

[omnipresence]

A few hardcore fans did manage to get in on opening night, but the audience was mostly invited.

[Sonny]

So, my question stands my friends.

If some hardcore fans were in, and IF (big IF) pictures were made. Would we be able to recognize those as from that opening night?

[Tommy]

So, my question stands my friends.

If some hardcore fans were in, and IF (big IF) pictures were made. Would we be able to recognize those as from that opening night?

No, I don't think so.

[Getlo]

Good summation, I have an honest question....were you there?

Sarcasm aside, no I was not.

I have, however, been to many opening nights for various celebrities here and in the US, and the first nights are very different. In most cases, no flashbulbs went off.


I do believe maybe someone could have and would have taken photos.

I do not.

[hgs262626]

Sarcasm aside, no I was not.

I have, however, been to many opening nights for various celebrities here and in the US, and the first nights are very different. In most cases, no flashbulbs went off.



I do not.

As you have already stated, we can deduce this photo is from the first Vegas engagement. As far as opening night is concerned we are unaware of the outfit worn and so will never completely know! However, judging from the two piece suit and the hair which is shorter than other 'known' photos from this engagement, would you concede that it is likely this could be opening night (with the scarf shown in this shot identical to the one worn at the press conference). If not, would you agree that it is quite possibly from the beginning of the engagement e.g 31st July- August 6th?
Thanks for your input 'Getlo'.

[hgs262626]

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13370&d=1147455741
Would it be fair to assume this and the other attatched picture were taken at the same concert?

[Sonny]

I seems fair to assume that.

And you have a point with the two piece suit. Most we see is dark jumpsuits with a belt from this period.

[Tommy]

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13370&d=1147455741
Would it be fair to assume this and the other attatched picture were taken at the same concert?

This background doesn't seem right for 1969 Vegas tour. If it was opening night, something changed, because the background is different in other photos from 1969 Vegas.

[Tony Trout]

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=83126&c=41
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=83126&c=41

Who thinks this is Opening night 1969?
I do, the scarf is the same as the press conference and he wore the two pieces earlier on in the season didnt he! Any thoughts would be really appreciated!!!!:D
Thank you


While the pic is definitely from '69, it is not from opening night.

Thus far, no proven pictures from the night have surfaced.


How can we know IF a pic is truly from opening night 1969?

Just asking friends, because I honestly would not know the answer.


In all these years, as I said, not a single confirmed pic has emerged.

Opening night '69 was very different to the opening nights in the years ahead.

The crowd was made up almost entirely of entertainers, people connected with the International, RCA etc ... industry types, family, friends.

And very, very few, if any, "regular" fans. And no working photographic media.

The people in the audience that night were very likely not willing to do the photo thing, like regular people, I think.

I agree, Getlo.




A few hardcore fans did manage to get in on opening night, but the audience was mostly invited.

Oh, really? :hmm::hmm:

[Getlo]

This background doesn't seem right for 1969 Vegas tour. If it was opening night, something changed, because the background is different in other photos from 1969 Vegas.

Considering that's Larry Muhoberac on piano (partially cut off), the photo is therefore from Vegas '69.

[Getlo]

would you concede that it is likely this could be opening night (with the scarf shown in this shot identical to the one worn at the press conference). If not, would you agree that it is quite possibly from the beginning of the engagement e.g 31st July- August 6th?

No, on both counts.

It is possible that both of your assertions are correct.

But they are neither likely nor unlikely. Just possible.

[Tommy]

Consdering that's Larry Muhoberac on piano (partially cut off), the photo is therefore from Vegas '69.

True it's Larry Muhoberac, the orchestra is behind a wall.:hmm: All the photos I have seen of Vegas 69 there was no wall there, the orchestra was sitting on an open platform.

I realize this could be a Vegas tour, and a great photo. (y)

[hgs262626]

I have noticed that in the photo posted earlier of elvis at the piano, charlie is to the right wearing black and larry (to the left) is in white. Similarly in these photos that are also 'accredited' to opening night they are wearing the same outfits, Elvis Larry, Charlie and the orchestra. Thus, i believe these photos are from the same concert aswell, whether they are from opening night or , I believe we can conclude they were all taken at the same concert.
The showroom is clearly visible in these photos it is INDISPUTABLY at the international and from 1969.
http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11953&d=1137162351
http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=1608
http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=1608

[hgs262626]

I believe these photos are from the same concert at the international, in 1969. As elvis is wearing the same two piece with larry in white and charlie in black again. Also the orchestra are all dressed in black again!
http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11954&d=1137162351
http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=1608

[hgs262626]

I have also heared that Elvis wore these two pieces earlier on in the engagement but switched to the one pieces as they 'exposed his midrift', and we know the one piece jumpsuits were certainly a feature of the latter part of the engagement as we see Elvis wearing the one piece white herringbone jumpsuit on August 28th, (the closing night) as he is backstage with the gold belt he recieved for breaking Las Vegas attendance records.

[Tommy]

I have also heared that Elvis wore these two pieces earlier on in the engagement but switched to the one pieces as they 'exposed his midrift', and we know the one piece jumpsuits were certainly a feature of the latter part of the engagement as we see Elvis wearing the one piece white herringbone jumpsuit on August 28th, (the closing night) as he is backstage with the gold belt he recieved for breaking Las Vegas attendance records.


Thank you very much, mystery solved! (y)

[hgs262626]

Not really, I am still unsure and have doubts in my mind. We will never exactly know, but can use as much as we can to take an educated guess.
I do think these are from opening night though!

[omnipresence]

Originally Posted by omnipresence View Post
A few hardcore fans did manage to get in on opening night, but the audience was mostly invited.





Oh, really?



Yes really!

[Getlo]

we see Elvis wearing the one piece white herringbone jumpsuit on August 28th, (the closing night) as he is backstage with the gold belt he recieved for breaking Las Vegas attendance records.


Thank you very much, mystery solved! (y)

Unfortunately not.

Elvis received the now-famous gold belt from International Hotel president Alex Shoofey backstage on the closing night of the third engagement, September 7, 1970.

[jon_burrows]

Unfortunately not.

Elvis received the now-famous gold belt from International Hotel president Alex Shoofey backstage on the closing night of the third engagement, September 7, 1970.

This is correct.

[Getlo]

All the photos I have seen of Vegas 69 there was no wall there, the orchestra was sitting on an open platform.

It is entirely plausible that the "wall" was there for the first or first few shows in '69, then removed for some reason. Perhaps - and I am surmising here - Elvis decided to remove it so he could be closer to the band.

Or whatever.

[elvispresleytheking]

Unfortunately not.

Elvis received the now-famous gold belt from International Hotel president Alex Shoofey backstage on the closing night of the third engagement, September 7, 1970.

But I noticed he is wearing the two-piece suit in this picture, that, as far as I know, wasn't worn after 1969 (the black version was offstage)
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=7599&catid=searchresults&searchid=20581

[jon_burrows]

But I noticed he is wearing the two-piece suit in this picture, that, as far as I know, wasn't worn after 1969 (the black version was offstage)
http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=7599&catid=searchresults&searchid=20581

This photo is from September 7 1970. The guy on the left is Alex Shoofey.

[jon_burrows]

I rarely post here anymore, but on this one I have to comment ... WHY do you think the picture is from September 1970? ... Take any real September '70 picture, and compare it to the one where Elvis is being presented with the "Gold Attendance Belt", and it's very clear that it's not from that time. ... The belt was presented to him after his July/August 1969, or January/February 1970 Vegas engagement (the latter would make more sense), but not in September 1970.

And about the July 31st, 1969 opening show ... yes, there are pictures of the show, and it's known what suit Elvis wore during it ... for those interested, please read Rex Martin's lenghty "Vegas '69" thread over at The King's Court. ---> http://elvis-tkc.com/forum2/index.php?showtopic=14019 ... log online to see the pictures as well...

The reason I think it's from September 1970 is because the only time I have seen this picture it was dated from then. I haven't seen the photo in any other source dated any different. I admit Elvis' hair looks little short for 1970 and he looks like he is wearing a '69 stage outfit. But Elvis was known for wearing some of his stage clothes in private.
So although I may not be 100% convinced that it is September 1970 I also haven't seen anything to convince me that it isn't. Until then I will believe what I have already read.

[utmom2008]

Wouldn't it be pretty simple for our detectives to find the official date that the belt was presented to him?:doh::hmm:

[LtCarman]

Wouldn't it be pretty simple for our detectives to find the official date that the belt was presented to him?:doh::hmm:

September 7, 1970.

Source: http://oldies.about.com/od/elvispresleyhistory/a/elvis1970_2.htm

[Getlo]

September 7, 1970.

Source: http://oldies.about.com/od/elvispresleyhistory/a/elvis1970_2.htm

Correct.

Also, Guralnick and various biographies.

[May]

How many shows did Elvis do before the jumpsuits came in? The thinking behind the jumpsuits was to stop the jacket riding up or whatever, so that Elvis could move around more easily and didnt have to adjust his clothing (like the black leather outfit), according to a Priscilla interview anyway.

[Getlo]

if the presentation picture is really from September 7th, that's a whole lotta hair grow in two days.

You can't compare a backstage picture after a show with one that features a non-sweaty Elvis getting off a plane.

Check newspapers of the time. The belt was awarded on September 7, 1970.

[italianfan]

I dont doubt that this belt was awarded on 7th sept, but look at the difference in sideburn length, alot longer just two days later.

[1100ccRider]

I have also heared that Elvis wore these two pieces earlier on in the engagement but switched to the one pieces as they 'exposed his midrift', and we know the one piece jumpsuits were certainly a feature of the latter part of the engagement as we see Elvis wearing the one piece white herringbone jumpsuit on August 28th, (the closing night) as he is backstage with the gold belt he recieved for breaking Las Vegas attendance records.

All the '69 suits (as far as I know) were two-piece. He wore the suits as in the photo that started this thread, jackets and pants patterned (in gabardine) after the '68 leather suit, and the 'herringbone' suits, and they were all two-piece.

As for the photo, Elvis' sideburns look too short (admittedly, it's hard to tell for sure because his hair's swept forward a bit) for opening night and, probably, for any time in August, 1969. The way his face looks, and even his hair, I'd be tempted to say that this is February, 1970 even though the suit screams 1969. Hard to tell from one photo, at one angle, of course, but it wouldn't be the first time Elvis wore stage clothing that seems anachronistic (witness the tapestry suit in September of 1970, the concho suit in Tahoe, 1971, etc).

Regardless, I highly doubt it's opening night in 1969. It's not inconceivable that somebody there had a camera that night, but it's an old tradition for people to claim that date for any number of undated 1969 pictures (and, to my great chagrin and erstwhile expenses, recordings).

[thehillbillycat]

As Getlo said, no photo as yet to be proven to be from Opening Night 1969 and it was mostly friends, family, entertainers, members of the hotel, RCA, and perhaps others was only there. As for no photos taken, I wouldn't completely rule it out 100%. You never know what could show up this day in time. I would some family members did take photos and some friends did too at one point or another but not like a reglar fan would but none has surface yet. The old saying goes "Never say Never".