The next re-mix release ?

[dennyelvis]

Following up on the last 2 remix releases...JXL + the Rubberneckin releases...which track would you all like to see be released next ?
I would hope for something not to commercial to get the treatment...maybe VIVA LAS VEGAS or a real power blasting PROMISED LAND !
Your thoughts on this please guys...what would your 19th NO.1 be ? :hmm:

[Scottishthistle]

Hmm..how about polk salad annie? I think that would sound really cool remixed. :D

[rockinrebel]

I?d rather they didn?t issue another remix. I think the JXL remix was fine as one off, but the ?Rubberneckin?? remix wasn?t up to the same standard in my opinion, and the sales were an indication that BMG can?t really expect to keep repeating the trick.

I do appreciate the problem BMG would have though in promoting Elvis? singles if the remix idea was dropped. The remixes were treated as new releases by the radio stations, and this meant that they got a share of the airplay. There are numerous songs in the Elvis catalogue that are not known to the general public and certainly have hit potential, but a straight re-issue of an old track is likely to be treated as such, and would most likely not be listed for airplay.

As singles don?t really make money for record companies these days, and are generally viewed as ?loss leaders? to sell albums, maybe BMG could look at other ways of promoting new Elvis releases. Earlier in the year when The Beatles issued the ?Let It Be Naked? album, no single was issued to promote the set, but a new video was made for the song ?Two of Us? and this received quite a lot of airplay on the various digital music channels which obviously drew attention to the release of the album.

I think BMG could have used the same method to promote the recent 68 Comeback and Aloha DVD?s, and it could be a viable option for future CD releases. Of course it is always nice to see Elvis? name on the singles chart, but I think the quality of the product is equally important, and for me personally the ?Rubberneckin?? remix wasn?t great.

[Scottishthistle]

I agree , Rubberneckin was a bad move...and as for the music video? (n)

[NightRider]

I think something like promised Land.....Power of my love....(those spring to mind) would be ok as potential re-mix releases...

I agree that Rubberneckin' wasn't up to the standard of ALLC....but it was still a good re-mix. Part of the problem there was that BMG missed the boat in my opinion....i should have followed ALLC a lot quicker than it did :blink: Leaving it a year was ridiculous (n)

ALLC brought Elvis right back into the limelight. It was absolutely terrific for Elvis' popularity...especially with the younger generation...and had Rubberneckin' followed it up quickly it may have been a different story on how well it performed it the charts.

Whatever they choose....would be a good idea....simply because they are listened to along with modern music and Elvis' name comes back into the limelight....and in my book that can be nothing but a good thing (y)

Of course....having said that they could release something just not done right....unlike the previous two...and then i might regret what i have just said :blink:

[rockinrebel]

Whatever they choose....would be a good idea....simply because they are listened to along with modern music and Elvis' name comes back into the limelight....and in my book that can be nothing but a good thing (y)


It would be interesting to hear from people that became new fans as a result of the publicity the remixes created, and how they rate the original material, now that they have had a chance to listen to more Elvis recordings.

I?ve often wondered whether the people that bought the remixes liked them because they were Elvis tracks, or because they were fans of modern dance music. If the latter is the case then the remixes are unlikely to win over new fans in the long term.

If there are any new fans here, maybe they could post their thoughts on this?

[NightRider]

It would be interesting to hear from people that became new fans as a result of the publicity the remixes created, and how they rate the original material, now that they have had a chance to listen to more Elvis recordings.

I?ve often wondered whether the people that bought the remixes liked them because they were Elvis tracks, or because they were fans of modern dance music. If the latter is the case then the remixes are unlikely to win over new fans in the long term.

If there are any new fans here, maybe they could post their thoughts on this?

Yes...good point Rockinrebel....that would be interesting to know....they have had an effect on a couple of people i know....not particularly young fans mind you :blink: ....but an effect it was.... (y)

[JohanD]

I've heard the "Viva las Vegas" remix that was made a while ago,and it could be a great official product!!

The right clip,heavy advertising(most important) and Elvis is once again at number one!! (y)

[AronNL]

My guess is it will be 'Wearin' That Loved On Look' ... great!!!! (y)

[jbgude]

I have had two people ask me about " Elvas" ( they were of Brazillian extract) ....after ALLC : so the curiosity was there to find out more, but I they were looking for more upbeat dance tracks ...serious Disco freaks.

More publicity ? forget it that is not an option for both BMG and EPE - the recent DVD sets proved that. The bare minimum is what they have in mind and budget. :'(

jb

[ultimix]

My guess is it will be 'Wearin' That Loved On Look' ... great!!!! (y)



Now that would be awesome!! I have thought about remixing that for a while.

That is actually what I do for a living is remixing music. I did a mix of the Paul O remix myself (Rubberneckin'). I am also friends with Jason Nevins and wasnt to thrilled with his version. I am thinking about doing someting Elvis wise and send it to my RCA contact.

The problem with doing a remix of Promise Land and Viva Las Vegas is that they are just tooo Fast to play in the clubs - the best tempo is 100 to 140 anything faster than that just wont work - mix wise...

I will actually start to work on something here in the future and will post it up here and get everyones opinion on it. There I said it and now I have to do it :)

Mark
Ultimix

[Jungleroom76]

TOUGH QUESTION DENNYELVIS!!! :hmm:

I have to agree with rockinrebel here that A LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION was indeed great as a one-time thing! I also felt that the RUBBERNECKIN' remix was not up to the same standards as CONVERSATION...certainly enjoyable to listen to, but just not as good as CONVERSATION.

RCA has publicly admitted that, in order to have a hit single/video, you have to spend LOTS of money to promote it....something that RCA doesn't really seem all that interested in doing. In my opinion, it's pretty simple for RCA....why spend lots of money to promote a new remixed song, when they can simply release a CD full of reissued material and make a larger profit? Personally, I think it's a little frustrating to fans when RCA would much rather reissue Elvis' gospel music for the 20th time than to put their resources behind a new remix (or even a NON-REMIXED, lesser known track from Elvis' catalog) to promote Elvis for the newer generations of fans! Not that there is anything wrong with reissuing Elvis' gospel music (I used that just as an example), but wouldn't it be cool to hear a lesser known song, like TRUE LOVE TRAVELS ON A GRAVEL ROAD or POWER OF MY LOVE playing on the radio, being promoted as Elvis' new single...regardless of whether it's the original recording or a remixed version? Of course, using the original version would be much more cost efficent in this scenario, as RCA would have to pay to have a song remixed. But either way, it would be very cool in my opinion!! But, as I said, RCA has publicly admitted that it is a MAJOR cost to promote a new single in today's radio markets....so why would/should they spend that kind of money, when it's much easier and more cost-effective for RCA (and hence more profit making) to simply re-release Elvis' music in new packages!! :blink:

So, unfortunately, I really don't foresee another Elvis remix coming down the line anytime soon.... :'(

TCB!
Mike

[curtis simpkins]

I love the song of Rubberneckin (y) , but i never liked the re-mixed version (n) .

And i hope i won't anymore Elvis re mixes (n) , i still like his original version of all of
his music. :clap:

[buttonhead]

As most of you said ...Rubberneckin' wasn't really a great re-mix ..poor video clips (n) how could they do that ..... :blink:

I still wanted to get more of his re-mix,...but in hope that they still put the real elvis music to it...and not some kind of re-mix which is only good to be played in a discotheque..;)

[eileen]

It's true that BMG doing a remix on their own for a single release would likely be a loss. However to have this done in partnership for a promotion (ala Nike) or for a movie soundtrack is still an excellent opportunity and in line with at least the vision expressed by EPE. BMG doesn't seem to have a vision so on that I can't say.

The larger problem is that BMG USA doesn't seem to have the talent for repositioning Elvis. So as with ALLC and the Disney film, it's really up to the partner or possibly an influx of Sony staff.

Eileen

[David]

It's obvious that the Oakenfold remix of "Rubberneckin'" had not the same impact as "A Little Less Conversation". Apart from that most Elvisfans don't seem to like it very much.

As far as I'm concerned I find it quite good, but somehow it sounded too much like a (not so good) copy of ALLC. It's a pity that BMG didn't use the "groove mix" of Joseph Pirzada (correct me if I'm wrong) which imo is great and don't sound like "the little brother" of ALLC.

I think it's a bit difficult to chose the right song if there will be another remix in the near future. I've always thought "C'mon Everybody" would be a good choice, but I was not too impressed of the unofficial remix of it, which appeared a few months ago on the internet.

I also think "Wearin' That Loved On Look" or "Power Of My Love" would be interesting as a remix but my personal favorites are "Let Yourself Go" and "Change Of Habit" (y)

[rick]

I thought Rubberneckin' was a good choice, but the end result wasn't as good as ALLC.
I'd love a rocked-up TROUBLE or I think Let Yourself Go would have potential for the dance market.
Maybe they could try a ballad - Just Pretend?
rick

[ultimix]

I think the only way another remix by come about would be for a movie soundtrack - or a maybe a special remix only Elvis album - would would be really interesting - a better Elvis Medley would always be great!!! Not just Hound Dog etc..The project really wouldnt cost that much as far as remixing.A lot of remixers work on spec.

I know the diehard fans might not find that appealing...I have been a fan since 6 years old and would love to hear different mixes of some of the movie tunes, the fun ones...FTD might consider it, release the Older Elvis Medley that is not available on CD and do a 50's Medley, Movie hits medley part 1 and 2, 70's medley and Ultimate Live Medley. It might spill over into the consumer market or it might not....I would love to tackle that project .


By the way - check out my company web site -

www.ultimix.com

it says you must be a DJ or order - but you guys can have a look around if you want....


Mark
Ultimix

[Lonniebealestreet]

David, I agree that the Rubberneckin' remix tried too hard to be like ALLC, or that's the way it came off anyway.

I believe that whatever EPE can do to keep Elvis current and generate new listeners, so long as a certain level of integrity is maintained, is probably worth doing. And when they choose something to promote, then by God, they ought to promote it.

It is kind of sad in a way that remixing Elvis' music is necessary in order to achieve a certain degree of success with it. I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.

I did like ALLC and Rubberneckin', more so the former. One of the elements in their success was the songs' not being that well known. I think that is really key, to the point that perhaps another unknown song, if it has the right things going for it including a certain degree of timelessness, could be re-released in its original form and potentially do quite well.

Nothing against dance remixes, but do all remixes have to fit that category? I don't think I underestimate the influence of the dance club scene, but does a song have to go over big with them in order to have any hope of widespread exposure and acceptance? (Maybe I do, I dunno.)

It's been pointed out to me before when I've suggested re-releasing a country song that the country chart is just a U.S. thing, but why not shoot for Elvis having another #1 country hit? A great many country artists, others in the business, and fans of country music are Elvis fans, and he's done well on the country charts in the past, including times (such as now) when he wasn't too big a presence on the pop charts.

I think such a move would not limit Elvis' image and make him lose some of that hip quality, but rather showcase his wide-ranging talents, and show a side not seen by the ALLC fans and others. It could be a testament to his artistry.

If successful, a great follow-up album could consist of country songs people are familiar with, but not by him, and some other great lesser-knowns. Songs like T-R-O-U-B-L-E, Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain, Lovin' Arms, For The Heart (called Had A Dream when the Judds did it), You Don't Know me, etc. Perhaps one of those could be the song of choice...Lovin' Arms, maybe. (This album would also help in the area of releasing material a little deeper in the catalogue than the E1/E2 stuff, which needs to happen. BMG is just sitting on a gold mine!)

I don't like this idea just because I like country music; I happen to think success could come easier on the country charts, that's all.

But whatever works, even if it's not something that all of Elvis' established fans are particularly keen on, should be given consideration.

Another dance remix at this point just seems like it would have a tough time, because the novelty has worn off and people know that Rubberneckin' didn't do as well, so it would just seem like an attempt to squeeze one last nickel out of the idea. But maybe the right song done just right with the right marketing tie-ins could spell success again...It just doesn't seem that likely to me.

[Steve]

I will go for a remix a

Clean up you own backyard. :)

[U.S. Male]

I will agree with the Nightrider that a pumped up version of Promised Land would be awesome. I also wouldn't mind hearing remixed versions of Let Yourself Go, What'd I Say, or perhaps a song from his last recording sessions such as Way Down? :hmm:

Also, since I am a huge fan of remixes, I would certainly like to see a full cd of remixes be put together, though I doubt very seriously that BMG will ever try it. :'(

[Lonniebealestreet]

A remix of Promised Land could be promising, I'll give you that. But that's one that I think could be successful released as-is. Despite its being featured in Men In Black, that's one that most people aren't familiar with and that being the case, it has the surprise factor ("Wow, this is Elvis?") going for it.

But as rockinrebel points out, if it is treated as just an old song since it's not a remix, then people might not get too excited about it. It would have to be presented just right.

[David]

I agree with you Lonniebealestreet. There are so many great songs of Elvis that are unknown to the casual listener. Maybe remixes would not be necessary, but then the songs have to be combined with good commercials or movies.

But filmmakers also tend to use well-known Elvishits for their movies. It was good to hear "Promised Land" in MIB or "A Little Less Conversation" (in its original form) in Ocean's Eleven or even "Pocketful Of Rainbows" in Jerry Maguire. But that's not the rule. And if some of these rather unknown songs are used, most people don't even think that this could be Elvis. :mad:

"All Shook Up" (Big Fish); "It's Now Or Never", "Jailhouse Rock", "Can't Help Fallin' In Love" (all in Fools Rush In); "Suspicious Minds", "Devil In Disguise" (both in Black Hawk Down) are the common choices. Btw it's always great to hear an Elvissong in a movie (y)

BMG should be thankful for the great amount of very good Elvissongs to choose from. :worthy: So show everyone the real power of Elvis Presley! :flex:

[dennyelvis]

A lot of varied opinion here guys ...and thats good after all we all want to here the best Elvis product possible.
I agree with the guys who think topping or even following ALLC was like finding the Holy grail ...TWICE ! ;) i also like the ideas of a good country remix , and especially an official remix album (y)
Like many im not abig fan of remix albums... ie: The Elvis Remixes vol 1/6... but i did like FTD's Too much monkey... to me thats a perfect blend of original and new sound.
If we did go down the remix album road , should we use 30# 1s type of songs... or should we lean more to non commercial material :hmm: ... man it is a tough one !

[David]

I like the FTD relase of "Too Much Monkey Business", too. But I don't like these versions more than the originals. As a matter of fact, some of them are really bad.

I think they did a decent job with "Burning Love", "Guitar Man", "Clean Up Your Own Backyard" and "Only The Strong Survive". But they are what they are: alternate versions and not the original. Someone like them, others don't.

But these remakes are a nice addition to your collection. I would welcome an album with remixed-versions (I would prefer lesser known songs). Nobody can really predict whether it's gonna be a success or it would bomb.

I don't know if the expenses for such an album would be too high, but I would like to see it happen sometimes. Maybe everyone would be surprised :hmm:

[Jungleroom76]

It's true that BMG doing a remix on their own for a single release would likely be a loss. However to have this done in partnership for a promotion (ala Nike) or for a movie soundtrack is still an excellent opportunity and in line with at least the vision expressed by EPE. BMG doesn't seem to have a vision so on that I can't say.

The larger problem is that BMG USA doesn't seem to have the talent for repositioning Elvis. So as with ALLC and the Disney film, it's really up to the partner or possibly an influx of Sony staff.

Eileen

FIRST AND FOREMOST....WELCOME TO OUR BOARD EILEEN!!! IT'S A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU AND WE HOPE YOU ENJOY IT HERE!!! (y)

I think you are right on here Eileen!! As I mentioned in my previous post, RCA has publicly stated that, basically in order to have a hit single/video in today's markets, you need to spend a LOT of money to make that happen...and RCA just won't put that kind of money behind an Elvis single, whether it be a re-release of an original recording OR a re-mixed single. It's much more cost efficient (and profit making) for RCA to release a repackaged collection of hits, like ELVIS 30 #1 HITS, than it is to sink their money into promoting a "new" single from Elvis! In my opinion, that's kind of a sad state of affairs considering Elvis has been the cornerstone of RCA since 1956! That's not to say that RCA wouldn't have been successful without Elvis recording for them, but let's face reality...Elvis is obviously one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, artists on their label and I would think that RCA would be interested in doing something like this, without regard to the cost, for themselves (imagine the reputation that the label would have by releasing a new Elvis single and giving him another #1 hit more than 27 years after his passing) and for the fans!! (h)

As for your thoughts about RCA not having the talent for "repositioning" Elvis, again I think it probably comes back to the whole money issue....I would imagine that RCA could put together a crack-team of promoters for a new Elvis project, IF THEY WANTED TO SPEND THE MONEY!! :'(

ALL I CAN SAY HERE IN CLOSING IS....THANK HEAVENS FOR ERNST AND THE "FTD" LABEL!!! Could you imagine our Elvis world today without Ernst and/or the "FTD" label??? :blink:

Again, Eileen, WELCOME to the board!!!
TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

I think the only way another remix by come about would be for a movie soundtrack - or a maybe a special remix only Elvis album - would would be really interesting - a better Elvis Medley would always be great!!! Not just Hound Dog etc..The project really wouldnt cost that much as far as remixing.A lot of remixers work on spec.

I know the diehard fans might not find that appealing...I have been a fan since 6 years old and would love to hear different mixes of some of the movie tunes, the fun ones...FTD might consider it, release the Older Elvis Medley that is not available on CD and do a 50's Medley, Movie hits medley part 1 and 2, 70's medley and Ultimate Live Medley. It might spill over into the consumer market or it might not....I would love to tackle that project .


By the way - check out my company web site -

www.ultimix.com

it says you must be a DJ or order - but you guys can have a look around if you want....


Mark
Ultimix

INTERESTING IDEAS MARK!!! :hmm:

An all-movie songs medley, or a medley containing Elvis' biggest/most popular hits of a particular decade...certainly would be interesting to hear for sure!! Lots of different song choices and ways you could assemble something like this!! (h)

If you ever decide to tackle this project, either professionally or for personal enjoyment, I hope you will consider sharing it with us here on the board....I think most everyone would be interested in hearing what something like this would sound like!! :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

David, I agree that the Rubberneckin' remix tried too hard to be like ALLC, or that's the way it came off anyway.

I believe that whatever EPE can do to keep Elvis current and generate new listeners, so long as a certain level of integrity is maintained, is probably worth doing. And when they choose something to promote, then by God, they ought to promote it.

It is kind of sad in a way that remixing Elvis' music is necessary in order to achieve a certain degree of success with it. I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.

I did like ALLC and Rubberneckin', more so the former. One of the elements in their success was the songs' not being that well known. I think that is really key, to the point that perhaps another unknown song, if it has the right things going for it including a certain degree of timelessness, could be re-released in its original form and potentially do quite well.

Nothing against dance remixes, but do all remixes have to fit that category? I don't think I underestimate the influence of the dance club scene, but does a song have to go over big with them in order to have any hope of widespread exposure and acceptance? (Maybe I do, I dunno.)

It's been pointed out to me before when I've suggested re-releasing a country song that the country chart is just a U.S. thing, but why not shoot for Elvis having another #1 country hit? A great many country artists, others in the business, and fans of country music are Elvis fans, and he's done well on the country charts in the past, including times (such as now) when he wasn't too big a presence on the pop charts.

I think such a move would not limit Elvis' image and make him lose some of that hip quality, but rather showcase his wide-ranging talents, and show a side not seen by the ALLC fans and others. It could be a testament to his artistry.

If successful, a great follow-up album could consist of country songs people are familiar with, but not by him, and some other great lesser-knowns. Songs like T-R-O-U-B-L-E, Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain, Lovin' Arms, For The Heart (called Had A Dream when the Judds did it), You Don't Know me, etc. Perhaps one of those could be the song of choice...Lovin' Arms, maybe. (This album would also help in the area of releasing material a little deeper in the catalogue than the E1/E2 stuff, which needs to happen. BMG is just sitting on a gold mine!)

I don't like this idea just because I like country music; I happen to think success could come easier on the country charts, that's all.

But whatever works, even if it's not something that all of Elvis' established fans are particularly keen on, should be given consideration.

Another dance remix at this point just seems like it would have a tough time, because the novelty has worn off and people know that Rubberneckin' didn't do as well, so it would just seem like an attempt to squeeze one last nickel out of the idea. But maybe the right song done just right with the right marketing tie-ins could spell success again...It just doesn't seem that likely to me.

AMEN BROTHER!!! ;)

Couldn't have said it better myself!! Why not try and give Elvis a country hit? A #1 hit is a #1 hit, regardless of whether it's on the pop charts or the country charts, right? MOODY BLUE was a #1 hit on the country charts, but not the pop charts....does that make it any less of a hit single for Elvis? Personally, I would like to see a push for Elvis to have another country hit single....after all, he was having some real success on the country charts again prior to his death with both MOODY BLUE and WAY DOWN....and the country charts is where he really started out, with his early Sun Records stuff like I FORGOT TO REMEMBER TO FORGET! Songs like LOVIN' ARMS, IT'S EASY FOR YOU, I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN, LOVE COMING DOWN....all great, lesser known songs that I feel would be worthy of airplay on country radio! But then again, I guess all of this speculation and hope for a country hit single would probably come back to the same thing I've mentioned before...MONEY and how much of it (if any) RCA would be willing to sink into promotion of a single!! :hmm:

I agree that it does appear to be a sad state of affairs when RCA feels that Elvis' original recordings simply aren't good enough on their own to warrant release as a single, and that they have to "jazz them up" for public listening/release. And, while A LITTLE LESS CONVERSATION was both a great remix and a surprise hit, following it up with a much more mediocre remix on RUBBERNECKIN' was not the right way to go, in my opinion!!! (Not to say I didn't enjoy the RUBBERNECKIN' remix....I did enjoy it very much, but in a comparison between it and ALLC, I have to say that ALLC was the better remix hands down)

Just my opinion though.... :blink:

TCB!
Mike

[Jungleroom76]

BMG should be thankful for the great amount of very good Elvissongs to choose from. :worthy: So show everyone the real power of Elvis Presley! :flex:

RIGHT ON DAVID.Z!!! (y)

And, by the way....WELCOME TO THE BOARD!!!! Hope to see you around here often!! (h)

TCB!
Mike

[richardo316]

i agree that rubberneckin was not a great remix, but if they wan't to do a nother one, they could try raised on rock.

[David]

Thank you very much, Mike. It's great to be here! (y)

For sure you'll see me around here more often in the future and I'm goin' to introduce myself in that great thread "Who are you" soon.

Greetings to all on the board
David

[hounddogone2000]

clean up your own backyard would be fantastic if done right, i also think that edge of reality has plenty of potential for a remix. (y)

[dennyelvis]

clean up your own backyard would be fantastic if done right, i also think that edge of reality has plenty of potential for a remix. (y)


Yeah... i love em both Hounddog... so understated and really cool !
Going back to ALLC.. i remember when it first started to get airplay in the UK... and requests by the bucket full... even the kids at where i worked at the time just loved it ... that was great , Elvis back in the fore !..... but i also remember the poor response Rubber.... got , but hey... no NIKE behind that one (n)

[Jungleroom76]

Thank you very much, Mike. It's great to be here! (y)

For sure you'll see me around here more often in the future and I'm goin' to introduce myself in that great thread "Who are you" soon.

Greetings to all on the board
David

SOUNDS GREAT DAVID!!! (y)

Once again, WELCOME ABOARD!!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[David]

Thank you, Mike. You're very kind.

I've already posted some information about me and three photos of mine on the "who are we"-board a few days ago and I'm already a "roustabout" :D .

So I'll keep posting....

[David]

No, I'm a "Mad Tiger" now. Things are goin' great! (y)

[Jungleroom76]

CONGRATULATIONS DAVID!!! (y)

Keep on posting my friend!!! And once again, you are VERY welcome!!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

[geordie]

I dont think another remix should be released.Am i the only one who thinks IF I CAN DREAM is the obvious choice,esspeicially with the new video from the comeback special.One word AWESOME :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: :P

[NightRider]

I dont think another remix should be released.Am i the only one who thinks IF I CAN DREAM is the obvious choice,esspeicially with the new video from the comeback special.One word AWESOME :worthy: :worthy: :worthy: :P


No your not geordie...thats a great point...If I Can Dream would be a great choice....video and all (y)