Bragging Rights

[MissyM]

So what do you all think of these women who confess to having affairs with Elvis while he was married of with other women? Oh, I know, no one could say no to Elvis. But still.
I could never be unfaithfull with anyone!
Maybe my position of having a husband in music taints my opinion. I've had far too many women chasin after my husband. I just think it's wrong to mess with another couples's relationship. And I sure as heckk wouldn't talk about it or brag about it as if it was something to be proud of. Ohh, I had Elvis, I'm special. No messin with another women's man makes you trash IMO. The only one I have half an ounce of respect for is Ann Margaret, only because she doesn't tell all and gee, Priscilla was only there for 4 months before he fell for Ann. I'm not sure Cilla at that point was there to be his lover. More that he was her guardian at that point.

[Donut]

I think they all have the right to tell their own story though explicit details are not necessary in my opinion.
I don't think is fair to blame them for Elvis infidelities, he was the married one and who should have had more respect toward his wife/girfriends, same as we don't blame Mike Stone for Priscilla's infidelity. Neither Elvis nor Priscilla were forced to cheat they did it because they wanted to and the same applies for everybody.

[memphisflash]

What about those who claim to have met him?

[MissyM]

What??? Claiming to meet him and claiming to do him, North and South Pole.

[ehollier]

Well, like Donut, I think that these women have the right to tell their story. What do I think about it? I think it's tragic that their was so much rampant infidelity. I've also read that some of these lucky women weren't always told the truth either about his status as still being married or having a girlfriend. Another thing, I don't recall Elvis having a fling with a married woman, so I don't think it was a matter of a married woman cheating on her husband to spend a night with Elvis.



Yes, Ann Margaret is to be commended for her respecting Elvis by not spilling her story about relationship with Elvis. I also think that she respected his situation with Priscilla, which may possibly be another reason for her silence all of these years.

[ehollier]

What??? Claiming to meet him and claiming to do him, North and South Pole.

HUH?????? :blink:

[utmom2008]

Well, like Donut, I think that these women have the right to tell their story. What do I think about it? I think it's tragic that their was so much rampant infidelity. I've also read that some of these lucky women weren't always told the truth either about his status as still being married or having a girlfriend. Another thing, I don't recall Elvis having a fling with a married woman, so I don't think it was a matter of a married woman cheating on her husband to spend a night with Elvis.

Yes, Ann Margaret is to be commended for her respecting Elvis by not spilling her story about relationship with Elvis. I also think that she respected his situation with Priscilla, which may possibly be another reason for her silence all of these years.

Great post Liz!(y)(y)

[ehollier]

Let me give you an example: I've read Joyce Bova's book about her relationship with Elvis. She claims to have met him during the summer of 1969 when he appeared in Las Vegas. She spent 2 evenings watching his show and visiting him in his suite. She claims that he told her repeatedly that he wanted to get to know her and when she asked about his wife, his response was "what does married have to do with anything?" and he kissed her passionately, asked for her phone number and gave her a ring. She claims he called for her to join him on several occassions during the year between Sept. 1969 and August 1970.

She went back to Las Vegas during the summer engagement in 1970 and watched the show, which happened to be the same day of the famous death threat. She says that Elvis invited her back to his suite after the show, via Joe Esposito, and asked her to stay the night. When she asked again about his wife/marriage, she claims he exploded in anger whereafter she walked out.

Then we've all read the story about meeting Nixon in December, 1970. He called Joyce up while he was in Washington and had her met him in his hotel, where he invited her to spend the night and they had sex for the first time. When she asked him again about his marriage, he told her that he and Priscilla had grown apart with his touring/Las Vegas stints and that he didn't know what the future would bring.

He continued to call her through 1971 and she met him in Washington a few times and also in Memphis and also spent time at Graceland after he was diagnosed with glaucoma. Her book tells of a relationship where he admits that his marriage is over (by the Summer of 1971) and is waiting for Priscilla to grant him his freedom. Was Elvis telling Joyce the truth? I don't know. I am only relating her story here as an example of a woman who had a relationship with Elvis while he was married to get a full picture to better answer the question.

This is quite different story than is told in the official bios. What about the shock of Priscilla leaving him in December? What about claims that he told members of MM about Priscilla leaving and he acting completely blindsided by the news?

[Lisarose]

Liz, another great post. As for me, I feel like the more I know, the less I know him. Yet, I keep coming back to him. Maybe that's the way these women felt. Well, maybe some of them.

[midnight]

What??? Claiming to meet him and claiming to do him, North and South Pole.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[epmoodyblue]

yes they have the right to tell there stories... thing is 90% of the stories are pure fantasyhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gif

[ehollier]

Liz, another great post. As for me, I feel like the more I know, the less I know him. Yet, I keep coming back to him. Maybe that's the way these women felt. Well, maybe some of them.


Thank you very much. I feel the same way. So many sides to him, so much we don't know.

[MissyM]

Well sleeping around wasn't helping his marriage, nor were the women by going along with it. I just have strong opinions on the sanctity of marriage, even if it is a bad one. I think it really shows a lack of morality and caring. Just my opinion. And that's why I don't think they have much to be proud of. And that is the essence of my point. And I think some are.

[ehollier]

Well sleeping around wasn't helping his marriage, nor were the women by going along with it. I just have strong opinions on the sanctity of marriage, even if it is a bad one. I think it really shows a lack of morality and caring. Just my opinion. And that's why I don't think they have much to be proud of. And that is the essence of my point. And I think some are.

I don't think anyone that is married will disagree with you on this. However, it doesn't reflect very well on Elvis either, since he was apparently a very willing partner.

[Brian]

They do it for the money and fame. I think that's wrong

When they tell they had an affair with Elvis when he was married that leads to a book deal which makes them some money and it also gets them well known among die hard Elvis fans

I had never heard of either Barbara Leigh or Joyce Bova before they wrote books but now I do.



I think one reason Ann Margret doesn't talk about her relationship is her husband, It wouldn't make him feel very good if she talks about her relationship with another man.

If he wasn't in the picture she might've talked more about their relationship
in her book.

[Diane]

Well Missy, I have to agree with you. I also don't feel it was right for those women to go out with Elvis when he was married whether he wanted them to or not....and then to go out and talk about it, giving interviews and writing books is pretty crass in my opinion.

I don't hold any blame at all for Ann Margaret. Elvis wasn't married to Priscilla at the time, not even formally engaged and if Priscilla did push her way into Graceland as some feel, then I can't feel sorry for her. If she didn't, once she saw how things were going to be, she should have left.

I don't put any weight at all in what Joyce Bova had to say. She knew the consequences as well as the rest of them and was obviously no more important to Elvis than anyone else.

Diane

[utmom2008]

They do it for the money and fame.


Yes, and we have a name for women like that, it rhymes with "bore.":lmfao:



I don't hold any blame at all for Ann Margaret. Elvis wasn't married to Priscilla at the time, not even formally engaged and if Priscilla did push her way into Graceland as some feel, then I can't feel sorry for her. If she didn't, once she saw how things were going to be, she should have left.
Diane

I agree with you Diane. Priscilla had only been there a few short months. She was hardly old enough to drive a car, it would have been difficult for her to go and spy on them.;):lol::P

[Donut]

What is the problem you see with those women? That they went to bed with Elvis while he was married or that they brag about it? Because as ehollier said Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters a lot too :blink:

[utmom2008]

What is the problem you see with those women? That they went to bed with Elvis while he was married or that they brag about it? Because as ehollier said Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters a lot too :blink:

Are you talking to me, or to Missy?:doh:

[Donut]

Are you talking to me, or to Missy?:doh:

I was talking to anyone that feels like giving an answer to my question :lol:

[Brian]

Does anybody know how many women Elvis actually had affairs with while he was married?

How many of them have written books about the affair?


Can you name them all?


I can only think of 3 of them


I'm wondering how many have actually kept their mouths shut.

[Diane]

What is the problem you see with those women? That they went to bed with Elvis while he was married or that they brag about it? Because as ehollier said Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters a lot too :blink:

I have a problem with both. I don't care if Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters or not....where was the women's pride? Did they not care if they were used and discarded? It's not even as if they left him with any lasting impression of them.

Diane

[midnight]

True Diane! What Elvis did was wrong. It did not matter if he was Elvis Presley or not......if you are with someone else you do not fool around! However it takes two to tango! These woman were just as bad! They did not care that he was in a relationship! I find it hard to believe that they did not know he was "taken" giving his popularity!
The funny thing is given all we know about Elvis and some of his downfalls, there is just something about him that you cannot help but love!

And you must admit ladies, he would be a hard man to turn down!!!:lol:

[Donut]

I have a problem with both. I don't care if Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters or not....where was the women's pride? Did they not care if they were used and discarded? It's not even as if they left him with any lasting impression of them.

Diane

I see your point Diane. The reason I was asking that is because since Elvis share of responsability was not being mentioned I found it very unfair to those girls he was with and to women generally speaking.

[Donut]

The funny thing is given all we know about Elvis and some of his downfalls, there is just something about him that you cannot help but love!


That's right.
It would be stupid to like him less because he did something wrong to someone else :blink: it was his and his wife's problem and has nothing to do with being a fan or not.

[franny]

I have a problem with both. I don't care if Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters or not....where was the women's pride? Did they not care if they were used and discarded? It's not even as if they left him with any lasting impression of them.

Diane

Great post, Diane. I agree with every word you said. :notworthy

franny

[desiree]

So what do you all think of these women who confess to having affairs with Elvis while he was married of with other women? Oh, I know, no one could say no to Elvis. But still.
I could never be unfaithfull with anyone!
Maybe my position of having a husband in music taints my opinion. I've had far too many women chasin after my husband. I just think it's wrong to mess with another couples's relationship. And I sure as heckk wouldn't talk about it or brag about it as if it was something to be proud of. Ohh, I had Elvis, I'm special. No messin with another women's man makes you trash IMO. The only one I have half an ounce of respect for is Ann Margaret, only because she doesn't tell all and gee, Priscilla was only there for 4 months before he fell for Ann. I'm not sure Cilla at that point was there to be his lover. More that he was her guardian at that point.

I don't know what to make of them, really. Just like you said, it seems that, some liked to yell around they were with ELVIS!(n)(n)(n) Of course it made them special women for being chosen by a big star.
IMO, having an "love" affair only based on having sex isn't much to be proud of whether it was with Elvis or not (n) If I had been one of them I'd stay quiet and ashamed for going so low.

[utmom2008]

I have a problem with both. I don't care if Elvis seemed to enjoy those encounters or not....where was the women's pride? Did they not care if they were used and discarded? It's not even as if they left him with any lasting impression of them.

Diane

You are right Diane. I'm guessing that 24 hours later he didn't even remember their last name(IF he knew it to begin with!), and probably couldn't tell you their first name either. Remember the scene in This is Elvis where he talks about "that girl last night" and goes on to comment on her "talents?" Don't you wonder who she was?? Was she someone's wife and/or mother?:blush::blink::blush:

[TotallyInsane]

You are right Diane. I'm guessing that 24 hours later he didn't even remember their last name(IF he knew it to begin with!), and probably couldn't tell you their first name either. Remember the scene in This is Elvis where he talks about "that girl last night" and goes on to comment on her "talents?" Don't you wonder who she was?? Was she someone's wife and/or mother?:blush::blink::blush:

Well, you do realize he said this during the filming of "On Tour", right? Did you forget that I was at the one of the shows filmed for "On Tour"?????: (y)(y)

[utmom2008]

Well, you do realize he said this during the filming of "On Tour", right? Did you forget that I was at the one of the shows filmed for "On Tour"?????: (y)(y)

So, what are you saying? That you were the "prideless doormat" that he used?:lol::lol: I ALSO know how old you were when EOT was filmed.;) The movie "Pretty Baby" springs to mind.:laughing::laughing:
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[Diane]

I see your point Diane. The reason I was asking that is because since Elvis share of responsability was not being mentioned I found it very unfair to those girls he was with and to women generally speaking.

Of course Elvis did share responsibility...when he was married. I don't absolve him of the wrong in that but I do understand where it came from since he father did the same. Actually in my mind I would have expected him not to take that route since he must have seen how much it hurt his mother, but "men are men" and they aren't the strongest when women throw themselves at them....in his case repeatedly.

Don't forget too that Elvis rarely had to go after any of those women. Most found ways to get to him. I even read that some slept with some of the MM first so that they'd be introduced...now how low is that?

Diane

[utmom2008]

Don't forget too that Elvis rarely had to go after any of those women. Most found ways to get to him. I even read that some slept with some of the MM first so that they'd be introduced...now how low is that?

Diane

I have read that also, that is disgusting.(n) Can you just imagine getting close and cuddly with Lamar Fike? Or George Klein?:lmfao::lmfao:

[ehollier]

I have read that also, that is disgusting.(n) Can you just imagine getting close and cuddly with Lamar Fike? Or George Klein?:lmfao::lmfao:

Rosie, why are you always ruining my Elvis fantasy???????? :P

[TotallyInsane]

Rosie, why are you always ruining my Elvis fantasy???????? :P

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

So, what are you saying? That you were the "prideless doormat" that he used?:lol::lol: I ALSO know how old you were when EOT was filmed.;) The movie "Pretty Baby" springs to mind.:laughing::laughing:
29576

Yeah, he did like Pretty Babies!!!!

[Diane]

Rosie, why are you always ruining my Elvis fantasy???????? :P

You think you're the only one with Elvis fantasies Liz?:) I know it would have taken everything I had to turn him down should I have been so lucky to be asked. :'(

Diane

[midnight]

I have read that also, that is disgusting.(n) Can you just imagine getting close and cuddly with Lamar Fike? Or George Klein?:lmfao::lmfao:

That is gross! They would have to put a bag over their head!

[TotallyInsane]

I wouldn't have any reason to turn him down - I was 14 and FREE - if I could have figured out a way to get rid of my mother!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

I wouldn't have any reason to turn him down - I was 14 and FREE - if I could have figured out a way to get rid of my mother!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Rosie, why are you always ruining my Elvis fantasy???????? :P
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

That is gross! They would have to put a bag over their head!
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I wouldn't have any reason to turn him down - I was 14 and FREE - if I could have figured out a way to get rid of my mother!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

You would have had to get rid of your Grandmother as well. By that time, he would have moved on to the next Pretty Baby.:lmfao::lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

My grandmother may have tried to get in on that deal so she could squeeze him again!!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

My grandmother may have tried to get in on that deal so she could squeeze him again!!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Your grandmother squeezed Elvis? What part did she squeeze?

[TotallyInsane]

Your grandmother squeezed Elvis? What part did she squeeze?

Do you want the true story or one of my famous fantasy stories? :lmfao:

[ehollier]

Do you want the true story or one of my famous fantasy stories? :lmfao:

Can we handle the truth??????? :supriced:

[midnight]

I thought she squeezed him where it hurts because she found out you were the one doing "the wild" thing with Elvis on EOT!:lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

Can we handle the truth??????? :supriced:

YouTube - A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"

[ehollier]

That was exactly what came to mind when I posted.

[Donut]

Of course Elvis did share responsibility...when he was married. I don't absolve him of the wrong in that but I do understand where it came from since he father did the same. Actually in my mind I would have expected him not to take that route since he must have seen how much it hurt his mother, but "men are men" and they aren't the strongest when women throw themselves at them....in his case repeatedly.

Don't forget too that Elvis rarely had to go after any of those women. Most found ways to get to him. I even read that some slept with some of the MM first so that they'd be introduced...now how low is that?

Diane

Sleeping with the MM to get to Elvis is low in my opinion also but I don't think that was the case with Barbara Leigh or Kathy Westmoreland. Both of them were with him while he was married and they didn't have to play any trick to get to him, he encouraged those relationships and remember they were single and free. With this I don't mean to judge him because I think he could live his life as he pleased just like everyone of us.
I guess we could be here posting to the end of time and not agree on this matter Diane, not that we have to and you know I respect your opinion, but I've realized that we have two different concepts of what 'being intimate with a man' for a woman should mean and there I think is where our opposite points of view start. I would never think of them like they were being used by Elvis on that respect because to me that is not a man's thing.
You can disagree with me anytime. I always enjoy reading your posts :hug:

[ehollier]

Sleeping with the MM to get to Elvis is low in my opinion also but I don't think that was the case with Barbara Leigh or Kathy Westmoreland. Both of them were with him while he was married and they didn't have to play any trick to get to him, he encouraged those relationships and remember they were single and free. With this I don't mean to judge him because I think he could live his life as he pleased just like everyone of us.
I guess we could be here posting to the end of time and not agree on this matter Diane, not that we have to and you know I respect your opinion, but I've realized that we have two different concepts of what 'being intimate with a man' for a woman should mean and there I think is where our opposite points of view start. I would never think of them like they were being used by Elvis on that respect because to me that is not a man's thing.
You can disagree with me anytime. I always enjoy reading your posts :hug:


I agree that Joyce and Kathy fell into another catagory. We're not talking about a one night stand such as the examples sited from Elvis on Tour nor or we talking about any groupie that passed through his bedroom. He sought Barbara and Joyce out, wined and dined them so to speak and put a marginal effort into these relationships. I am not condoning what they did. A relationship with a married man is wrong no matter how you look at it, but he told these women he loved them and they were important to him and HE sought them out to spend days at a time with him - once while he was sick in the hospital, and as Midnight pointed out, how could anyone resist Elvis - the charm, charisma, beauty.

[Donut]

as Midnight pointed out, how could anyone resist Elvis - the charm, charisma, beauty.

Well you could resist Elvis if you really wanted to but the truth is he didn't want them to resist him and he was the one who was supposed to keep his vows! :lol:

[Diane]

Sleeping with the MM to get to Elvis is low in my opinion also but I don't think that was the case with Barbara Leigh or Kathy Westmoreland. Both of them were with him while he was married and they didn't have to play any trick to get to him, he encouraged those relationships and remember they were single and free. With this I don't mean to judge him because I think he could live his life as he pleased just like everyone of us.
I guess we could be here posting to the end of time and not agree on this matter Diane, not that we have to and you know I respect your opinion, but I've realized that we have two different concepts of what 'being intimate with a man' for a woman should mean and there I think is where our opposite points of view start. I would never think of them like they were being used by Elvis on that respect because to me that is not a man's thing.
You can disagree with me anytime. I always enjoy reading your posts
:hug:

I see your point Donut that the women were free and Elvis was not therefore more in the wrong....but, I see the women just as much in the wrong in going with a married man free or not.

I guess I disrespect any women who goes after a man who belongs to someone else whether it be that the man is going steady with someone, engaged or married because I've had that kind of girl or women after someone I was with so much it disgusted me...this subject to me is personal. I've never ever tried to poach on someone's else relationship with a man who was married or just going steady. It's lack of respect for the woman, can cause a lot of hurt and I find women like that cheap and pushy...comes from my generation I know.

I respect you also and enjoy reading your posts.:hug:

Diane

[utmom2008]

Well you could resist Elvis if you really wanted to but the truth is he didn't want them to resist him and he was the one who was supposed to keep his vows! :lol:

I probably would have slept with him....then worried the next day that I was used and acted trashy!:lol::lol:
I would be like Scarlett O'Hara in that aspect......"I'm not going to think about that today..I'll think about that tomorrow.":lmfao::lmfao:

[Donut]

I probably would have slept with him....then worried the next day that I was used and acted trashy!:lol::lol:
I would be like Scarlett O'Hara in that aspect......"I'm not going to think about that today..I'll think about that tomorrow.":lmfao::lmfao:

Who would be used? You or Elvis? :lol:

[utmom2008]

Who would be used? You or Elvis? :lol:

This would be a case of off-setting penalties, we would have BOTH used each other ~ I can assure you.;):lol::lol:

[Donut]

This would be a case of off-setting penalties, we would have BOTH used each other ~ I can assure you.;):lol::lol:

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[MissyM]

I am in agreement with Diane 100 percent. I think you have to be in those shoes maybe. Holy man, try watching some chick trying to give your man her phone number cause she thinks you can't see her. Who's butt you want to kick?? Men are weak, they don't need temptation. There I said it, sorry guys.

[ehollier]

I am in agreement with Diane 100 percent. I think you have to be in those shoes maybe. Holy man, try watching some chick trying to give your man her phone number cause she thinks you can't see her. Who's butt you want to kick?? Men are weak, they don't need temptation. There I said it, sorry guys.

Missy, I would feel the same way as you feel; however, we aren't comparing apples to apples. I think, at least in Joyce Bova and Barbara Leigh's situation (and possibly Kathy Westmoreland) was that Elvis himself requested these women. These weren't woman chasing him down, begging for a night with him. He actively sought out and wanted these women. For godsakes, they spent the night with him at Graceland (except maybe Kathy) while he was married. In fact they each talk of the eeriness of being in Priscilla's space - her clothes, perfume, makeup, the color of her bathroom and dressing room - and Elvis being totally oblivious to it. He did the chasing, seeking of these particular women. They were not groupies that were lucky enough to spend the night with him or the guys.

[Diane]

I probably would have slept with him....then worried the next day that I was used and acted trashy!:lol::lol:
I would be like Scarlett O'Hara in that aspect......"I'm not going to think about that today..I'll think about that tomorrow.":lmfao::lmfao:

:)I often wonder how strong I really would have been. If I had given in say, my guilt would have been horrible due to extremely strict upbringing in that department and my problem is that "I think about that today".:D Sometimes I think I think too much and missed/miss a lot that is actually harmless.:blink:

Diane

[utmom2008]

:)Sometimes I think I think too much and missed/miss a lot that is actually harmless.:blink:
Diane
Do ya think??:supriced::laughing::laughing::laughing:

For godsakes, they spent the night with him at Graceland (except maybe Kathy) while he was married. In fact they each talk of the eeriness of being in Priscilla's space - her clothes, perfume, makeup, the color of her bathroom and dressing room - and Elvis being totally oblivious to it. He did the chasing, seeking of these particular women.

As a woman that had to feel EXTREMELY strange, such an invasion of someone else's space and privacy.:blink::blink::blink:

[ehollier]

Do ya think??:supriced::laughing::laughing::laughing:


As a woman that had to feel EXTREMELY strange, such an invasion of someone else's space and privacy.:blink::blink::blink:

You aren't kidding, but Elvis was described as being totally oblivious to it. Almost like a peeping Tom.:blink:

[MissyM]

Well, I guess we will agree to disagree. Doesn't matter who did the chasing. JUST SAY NO! I mean what kind of future does a women think she has with a man who will cheat on his wife?? Hello, he will cheat on you too. In a marriage ceremony it says, " Let no man put asunder." That means, no man pull apart. Therefore, each person is accountable for participating in action that would put a burden on a marriage. I'd say sleeping with that husband no matter what he said, is doing just that.
It's like being apart of the straws that pile on the back of a camel, eventually the weight is too much.
And as I said, I don't think it's something that should make a women feel special. But that is the idea I get. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the feeling I get.

[ehollier]

Well, I guess we will agree to disagree. Doesn't matter who did the chasing. JUST SAY NO! I mean what kind of future does a women think she has with a man who will cheat on his wife?? Hello, he will cheat on you too. In a marriage ceremony it says, " Let no man put asunder." That means, no man pull apart. Therefore, each person is accountable for participating in action that would put a burden on a marriage. I'd say sleeping with that husband no matter what he said, is doing just that.
It's like being apart of the straws that pile on the back of a camel, eventually the weight is too much.
And as I said, I don't think it's something that should make a women feel special. But that is the idea I get. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the feeling I get.

Missy, I have repeatedly said that I do not condone this behavior, meaning that I don't support it. I was simply pointing out that your comparison of women chasing your husband or the women or groupies that chased Elvis is not the same thing as Elvis or any man seeking and persuing a woman.

If you want to go a step further with the being married and dating another woman, Elvis was still legally married when he met and began dating Linda. She was his live-in for over a year before he was no longer legally married, even though Priscilla had long before moved out. Now some may look at this situation and forgive that little bit of history, but Linda was also sleeping and living with a married man.

[Diane]

Well, I guess we will agree to disagree. Doesn't matter who did the chasing. JUST SAY NO! I mean what kind of future does a women think she has with a man who will cheat on his wife?? Hello, he will cheat on you too. In a marriage ceremony it says, " Let no man put asunder." That means, no man pull apart. Therefore, each person is accountable for participating in action that would put a burden on a marriage. I'd say sleeping with that husband no matter what he said, is doing just that.
It's like being apart of the straws that pile on the back of a camel, eventually the weight is too much.
And as I said, I don't think it's something that should make a women feel special. But that is the idea I get. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the feeling I get.

Maybe I'm not getting it right here but since when did going with a married man is okay or a man with a married women? Are there no more morals or principals left these days????

[ehollier]

Missy, I get the feeling that you're asking that Elvis be held to a different standard because he was a man and men don't bode well when it comes to temptation. That is what I am beginning to see as an underlying message in your posts.

I think that any man, be it Elvis or your husband or Diane's or whoever, be held to the same standard when it comes to cheating. Yes, the women who took advantage of his affection, whether they were sought out by Elvis or whether they were doing the seeking, are wrong. I think we agree on this point.

However, I cannot selectively ignore Elvis aggressively seeking other women to be with while he was married and before his divorce. He should be held accountable for his actions also and it seems that we don't agree on this point.

[Donut]

I think the main problem is Elvis was never in love with his wife, maybe a little infatuated in the beginning when he met her but there's no way he could be and act that way since day one untill the day she left if he did.

[Brian]

I think the main problem is Elvis was never in love with his wife, maybe a little infatuated in the beginning when he met her but there's no way he could be and act that way since day one untill the day she left if he did.


I don't think that's fair to say Elvis didn't love her
Elvis cheated on every woman he was with that's how he was

Priscilla knew this before the marriage but married him anyway
she married him for the $$$$$$$$$

[Diane]

Missy, I get the feeling that you're asking that Elvis be held to a different standard because he was a man and men don't bode well when it comes to temptation. That is what I am beginning to see as an underlying message in your posts.

I think that any man, be it Elvis or your husband or Diane's or whoever, be held to the same standard when it comes to cheating. Yes, the women who took advantage of his affection, whether they were sought out by Elvis or whether they were doing the seeking, are wrong. I think we agree on this point.

However, I cannot selectively ignore Elvis aggressively seeking other women to be with while he was married and before his divorce. He should be held accountable for his actions also and it seems that we don't agree on this point.

Nope, I agree with you Liz. Elvis should be held accountable for cheating on his wife. I just feel the women should also be held accountable for going with a married man....it's a two-way street.

Diane

[KPM]

I don't think that's fair to say Elvis didn't love her
Elvis cheated on every woman he was with that's how he was

Priscilla knew this before the marriage but married him anyway
she married him for the $$$$$$$$$
I do think Elvis loved her-and but I don't think he maybe understood the commitment end of marriage any better than she did at the end.
I also do not think that at the age of 14 when she met Elvis that money was her goal and she planned out a grand scheme to get the maximum of monetary compensation from Elvis. (I have said this before-sorry)

[Brian]

I do think Elvis loved her-and but I don't think he maybe understood the commitment end of marriage any better than she did at the end.
I also do not think that at the age of 14 when she met Elvis that money was her goal and she planned out a grand scheme to get the maximum of monetary compensation from Elvis. (I have said this before-sorry)

I think Elvis understood that it would take commitment to make the marriage work he just wasn't interested in commiting to anyone therefore he just shouldn't of got married.


As for Priscilla and the money is concerned

At first it was just a meeting between Elvis and Priscilla
but when more came out of it and Elvis was interested in her that's when Pris parents saw $$$$$$$$

Would you let your 17 daughter go live in another country with an older man?

Priscilla's parents wouldn't either under normal circumstances but Elvis was rich and was interested in their daughter.

[ehollier]

I think Elvis understood that it would take commitment to make the marriage work he just wasn't interested in commiting to anyone therefore he just shouldn't of got married.


As for Priscilla and the money is concerned

At first it was just a meeting between Elvis and Priscilla
but when more came out of it and Elvis was interested in her that's when Pris parents saw $$$$$$$$

Would you let your 17 daughter go live in another country with an older man?

Priscilla's parents wouldn't either under normal circumstances but Elvis was rich and was interested in their daughter.

This has been discussed somewhere else - discussed to death!!!!!!!! The topic is should these other women brag about their relationship with Elvis.

[KPM]

I think Elvis understood that it would take commitment to make the marriage work he just wasn't interested in commiting to anyone therefore he just shouldn't of got married.


As for Priscilla and the money is concerned

At first it was just a meeting between Elvis and Priscilla
but when more came out of it and Elvis was interested in her that's when Pris parents saw $$$$$$$$

Would you let your 17 daughter go live in another country with an older man?

Priscilla's parents wouldn't either under normal circumstances but Elvis was rich and was interested in their daughter.

I was not involved-what I would do is just a guess by what we see from this side looking back. There shoes were unique-and I can not where them and second guess what they did or did not do. Its easy to assume the worst-simpler, quicker.
I might ask myself-if I don't let her go will we have a falling out and then at 18 she'll be able to go on her own-leaving with will hard feelings creating a huge divide between us. A divide which may never be bridged. Could I loose contact with my daughter in the future after she reaches age of consent?
Horrid thought, horrid choice. Perhaps they actually saw this the best of the 2 choices I see they had.

[KPM]

This has been discussed somewhere else - discussed to death!!!!!!!! The topic is should these other women brag about their relationship with Elvis.
Sorry to have strayed off topic.:blush:

[Brian]

I was not involved-what I would do is just a guess by what we see from this side looking back. There shoes were unique-and I can not where them and second guess what they did or did not do. Its easy to assume the worst-simpler, quicker.
I might ask myself-if I don't let her go will we have a falling out and then at 18 she'll be able to go on her own-leaving with will hard feelings creating a huge divide between us. A divide which may never be bridged. Could I loose contact with my daughter in the future after she reaches age of consent?
Horrid thought, horrid choice. Perhaps they actually saw this the best of the 2 choices I see they had.


oh! come on

[Brian]

This has been discussed somewhere else - discussed to death!!!!!!!! The topic is should these other women brag about their relationship with Elvis.

not by me


it's all tied in

[KPM]

oh! come on
I am serious-I have seen the same situation in my own family with my sisters first husband (except he was a deadbeat jerk who had no money no future and no morals whatsoever) My sister wanted to move in with him at 17-my mom said no. What happened was exactly what I described until she turned 18 she blamed my mom and shut her out. When she turned 18 she moved with this guy to Missouri about 200 miles from here-got pregnant and they married. My mom never heard from her for 10 years-no cards, no calls -ZIP information on how she was doing. My mom for all those 10 years worried that she should have just let her move in with this guy-at least they would still be in the area and my mom would have known what was her situation.
This basic story is not unique to Elvis/Priscilla and her parents-its everyday life.
We are off topic-and it has been discussed to death I would imagine there are dozens of threads on this. So lets drop it.

[Donut]

I don't think that's fair to say Elvis didn't love her
Elvis cheated on every woman he was with that's how he was


I said he wasn't in love with her. Being in love and loving someone are two different things.

[Brian]

I said he wasn't in love with her. Being in love and loving someone are two different things.


I know that

I think Elvis was in love with Priscilla

[Diane]

I said he wasn't in love with her. Being in love and loving someone are two different things.

This is how I see things as well. If there had been a really deep "in love" kind of feeling between them, I don't think things would have turned out as badly and in as short a time in the marriage as it did.

Diane

[Diane]

This has been discussed somewhere else - discussed to death!!!!!!!! The topic is should these other women brag about their relationship with Elvis.

No, that's telling the world what they did was okay. Again, where is their pride and how is the cheating going to stop as long as there are women who are so easily willing?

Diane

[franny]

This is how I see things as well. If there had been a really deep "in love" kind of feeling between them, I don't think things would have turned out as badly and in as short a time in the marriage as it did.

Diane

Diane, I would have agreed with you about that, but my cousin had it happen to him...he thought he had that deep "in love" feeling with his wife...and to quote him "things can change in a second"...

franny

[Donut]

I know that
I think Elvis was in love with Priscilla


I don't think that's fair to say Elvis didn't love her

Ok that's your opinion.
I only explained it to you because you quoted my post saying it was not fair to say Elvis didn't love her and I didn't say such thing.

[franny]

This is how I see things as well. If there had been a really deep "in love" kind of feeling between them, I don't think things would have turned out as badly and in as short a time in the marriage as it did.

Diane

I think some woman think if "they" are single then it's okay to cheat because they aren't the ones' who are married...that's not the case! They are also in the wrong, just as much as the married man is!

franny

[Brian]

Missy, I have repeatedly said that I do not condone this behavior, meaning that I don't support it. I was simply pointing out that your comparison of women chasing your husband or the women or groupies that chased Elvis is not the same thing as Elvis or any man seeking and persuing a woman.

If you want to go a step further with the being married and dating another woman, Elvis was still legally married when he met and began dating Linda. She was his live-in for over a year before he was no longer legally married, even though Priscilla had long before moved out. Now some may look at this situation and forgive that little bit of history, but Linda was also sleeping and living with a married man.


whoa!

Give me the gossip

Linda Thompson was living and sleeping with a married man?

So David Briggs was married when Linda started seeing him?

[Diane]

Diane, I would have agreed with you about that, but my cousin had it happen to him...he thought he had that deep "in love" feeling with his wife...and to quote him "things can change in a second"...

franny

That's it right there Franny "he thought" but it wasn't real and you never know if it's real unless you can get over life's obstacles together. I don't believe if the "real" feeling is there that it can change in a minute unless one or both turn out to be something other than what one thought they were.

Diane

[Donut]

Diane, I would have agreed with you about that, but my cousin had it happen to him...he thought he had that deep "in love" feeling with his wife...and to quote him "things can change in a second"...

franny

Because you don't always have to be in love or stay married to someone for life . Those things happen everyday and Elvis was no different from the rest of us.

[franny]

That's it right there Franny "he thought" but it wasn't real and you never know if it's real unless you can get over life's obstacles together. I don't believe if the "real" feeling is there that it can change in a minute unless one or both turn out to be something other than what one thought they were.

Diane

He felt it was real and so did his then-wife, but four years later it ended...My point was, they did think it was real...to them! I agree, with you they should have been in it together, but they obviously weren't..

franny


Because you don't always have to be in love or stay married to someone for life . Those things happen everyday and Elvis was no different from the rest of us.

Yes, of course it happens everyday...we hear about it all the time...for example lol weren't Brad and Jennifer the "golden hollywood" couple...but after 4 1/2 years of marriage and 7 years together Brad went for Angelina...was all that time with Jennifer not real love? Did they not think going into it, they are forever! I'm sure, they did! It happens and no Elvis was no different...

franny

[Diane]

[QUOTE=franny;284769]He felt it was real and so did his then-wife, but four years later it ended...My point was, they did think it was real...to them! I agree, with you they should have been in it together, but they obviously weren't..

franny

I agree that these things happen but I feel they happen for a reason. A lot of people don't really know the person they think they're in love with...knowing another person fully is impossible but some I think have a fantasy about what their loved one is like and no one can live up to a fantasy so the relationship folds.

I think both Elvis and Priscilla had fantasies about what the other was like and neither of them lived up to it so how can you call something that was born out of a fantasy real???

Diane

[franny]

I agree that these things happen but I feel they happen for a reason. A lot of people don't really know the person they think they're in love with...knowing another person fully is impossible but some I think have a fantasy about what their loved one is like and no one can live up to a fantasy so the relationship folds.

I think both Elvis and Priscilla had fantasies about what the other was like and neither of them lived up to it so how can you call something that was born out of a fantasy real???

Diane

I agree with you, Diane. I do however think "most" people go into a marriage with the thought it will be forever...but, you're right I don't think anyone can live up to a fantasy!

franny

[Diane]

I agree with you, Diane. I do however think "most" people go into a marriage with the thought it will be forever...but, you're right I don't think anyone can live up to a fantasy!

franny

Yup, marriage is a big risk. Is the person you are marriying what you think he/she is or are you being fooled or are you fooling yourself? I do know a very few, not even a handful of people I can truly say were meant for each other and that's it.

I think people "used" to go into marriage with the hopes that it would be forever but I don't believe that's still true for most in this "throw-away" society. Divorce is very easy these days.

Diane

[Donut]

I agree with you, Diane. I do however think "most" people go into a marriage with the thought it will be forever...but, you're right I don't think anyone can live up to a fantasy!

franny

I think there are many people that think it will be last forever but I know there are many also that get married because after some time together for them is like the next step they must take. That happened before more than today but it keeps happening yet.

[utmom2008]

whoa!

Give me the gossip

Linda Thompson was living and sleeping with a married man?

So David Briggs was married when Linda started seeing him?
How did David Briggs enter the conversation?:doh:


I think both Elvis and Priscilla had fantasies about what the other was like and neither of them lived up to it so how can you call something that was born out of a fantasy real???

Diane
Because of Priscilla's youth she probably thought she could "change" Elvis into the kind of husband she wanted him to be. And we ALL know that NEVER works...that spells catastrophe from day one.:blink::blush:

[franny]

Yup, marriage is a big risk. Is the person you are marriying what you think he/she is or are you being fooled or are you fooling yourself? I do know a very few, not even a handful of people I can truly say were meant for each other and that's it.

I think people "used" to go into marriage with the hopes that it would be forever but I don't believe that's still true for most in this "throw-away" society. Divorce is very easy these days.

Diane

I know a lot of happily married people and I do believe there's a lot of people who are meant to be...but, there are those who arent...

True, society is different today...

franny

[utmom2008]

I think people "used" to go into marriage with the hopes that it would be forever but I don't believe that's still true for most in this "throw-away" society. Divorce is very easy these days.

Diane

My hubs and I discuss this quite often since we have kids in their 20's. Young people today just look at divorce entirely different than we did, even though our parents thought we looked at it more casually than their generation did.:blush:Young couples nowdays view divorce about the same way our generation looked at breaking a date for the prom.;):blush::blink:

[Diane]

I know a lot of happily married people and I do believe there's a lot of people who are meant to be...but, there are those who arent...

True, society is different today...

franny

I've known too many couples like Brad and Jennifer who "seemed" to be the perfects couples be the first to split. We can't tell what their lives are behind closed doors.

Yes I do believe there are people who are meant to be together and should have long happy lives but I don't believe too many get lucky enough to find each other and that's sad.

Diane

[franny]

oh! come on :supriced: :supriced:

What was wrong with what KPM said? :hmm:
He had a point...he's thinking about how his daughter feels and how the choice he would make would impact the relationship with his daughter...

franny

[Diane]

My hubs and I discuss this quite often since we have kids in their 20's. Young people today just look at divorce entirely different than we did, even though our parents thought we looked at it more casually than their generation did.:blush:Young couples nowdays view divorce about the same way our generation looked at breaking a date for the prom.;):blush::blink:

Yes I agree with that 200% :) but I do think some young people do have the right intentions going into a marriage, sometimes it's for the right reasons and works and sometimes it doesn't because it wasn't right in the first place or that one or both changed drastically...just as always.

Diane

[franny]

I've known too many couples like Brad and Jennifer who "seemed" to be the perfects couples be the first to split. We can't tell what their lives are behind closed doors.

Yes I do believe there are people who are meant to be together and should have long happy lives but I don't believe too many get lucky enough to find each other and that's sad.

Diane

To be honest, Diane. I still can't believe Brad and Jennifer broke up :blink:

franny

[midnight]

This is also a "Me" world. Today it is "Me" that comes first. Not children, not marriage but "Me". I see parents all the time going on vacations leaving their kids at home for weeks at a time because that is what they want. Same with marriage if you are not constantly happy .....you leave. Gone are the days when you put your children first or your marriage was everything! That is so sad! I cannot believe how many people tell us we are nuts not to take a vacation together and leave our children home. We have often said that even if we won a "ticket for two" , we would have to give it away. If I could not take my boys I would not go. We have a long life ahead of us when they are gone to do all that. Family is certainly not what it was!

[utmom2008]

To be honest, Diane. I still can't believe Brad and Jennifer broke up :blink:

franny

Me either Franny!! I think Brad lost his mind when he hooked up with that harlot!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Diane]

To be honest, Diane. I still can't believe Brad and Jennifer broke up :blink:

franny

Me either Franny, he obviously didn't know what he had in her. Somewhere down the line, probably he and Angelina will split up and how hard will that be on those children?

Hey, just thought of a few who had really close marriages that is so rare in the entertainment field.....Paul Newman and his Joanne, Patrick Swayze and Lisa and Kurt Russell and Goldie. All seem to be very happy and content with each other. Makes my heart feel good.:D

Diane

[franny]

Me either Franny!! I think Brad lost his mind when he hooked up with that harlot!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:lmfao: :lmfao: I couldn't agree more. He lost more than his mind! :lol: Now, he's saying "Jen's a sweetheart" :doh: Sure! lol


Me either Franny, he obviously didn't know what he had in her. Somewhere down the line, probably he and Angelina will split up and how hard will that be on those children?

Hey, just thought of a few who had really close marriages that is so rare in the entertainment field.....Paul Newman and his Joanne, Patrick Swayze and Lisa and Kurt Russell and Goldie. All seem to be very happy and content with each other. Makes my heart feel good.:D

Diane

Yes, they probably will. I read somewhere where he said, you have to keep moving along...all I could think was, he will do another movie or maybe Angelina will, with someone else and they will hook up with others'...She has a record of doing that! :lol: :P

Diane, all those couples you mentioned are so amazing to each other! (y)They all have loving, happy marriages! :notworthy

franny

[utmom2008]

Hey, just thought of a few who had really close marriages that is so rare in the entertainment field.....Paul Newman and his Joanne, Patrick Swayze and Lisa and Kurt Russell and Goldie. All seem to be very happy and content with each other. Makes my heart feel good.:D

Diane

I agree...great relationships! BUT......Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have never married!:blush::blink:

[MissyM]

Missy, I get the feeling that you're asking that Elvis be held to a different standard because he was a man and men don't bode well when it comes to temptation. That is what I am beginning to see as an underlying message in your posts.

I think that any man, be it Elvis or your husband or Diane's or whoever, be held to the same standard when it comes to cheating. Yes, the women who took advantage of his affection, whether they were sought out by Elvis or whether they were doing the seeking, are wrong. I think we agree on this point.

However, I cannot selectively ignore Elvis aggressively seeking other women to be with while he was married and before his divorce. He should be held accountable for his actions also and it seems that we don't agree on this point.

______

No I do hold them all accountable. If you have to cheat, why be married at all. I was only concentrating in my first post about the other women and what they said.

[Diane]

I agree...great relationships! BUT......Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have never married!:blush::blink:

Forgot that but you know, they are married in the biggest sense of the word than most people who have said their vows so maybe they have a truer marriage after all...

Diane

[utmom2008]

Forgot that but you know, they are married in the biggest sense of the word than most people who have said their vows so maybe they have a truer marriage after all...

Diane

That's exactly what they always say when they are asked about it!(y)

[emmajean]

Complete ****s!

[emmajean]

Why did you bleep out my ****s!?

[CarolineLovesElvis]

Ugh, I can't stand Susan Henning!
Did anyone on here attend The Elvis Insiders Conference in 2008?
If so, you know what I am talking about. The other women that Elvis had been with I think are all okay as people. But for them to have an affair with him while he was married was very wrong!

[memphis69]

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SUSAN HENNING. I KNOW SHE HAS SAID THEY DATED BUT HAS SHE ACTUALLY ADMITTED THAT SHE HAD AN "AFFAIR" WITH ELVIS AND DOES SHE HAVE PROOF OF THIS? I HAVE SEEN HER SPEAK IN INTERVIEWS AND SHE SEEMS LIKE A NICE LADY. WHAT DID SHE DO/SAY AT ELVIS WEEK. YOU'VE GOT ME CURIOUS!!