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MissyM
12-17-2008, 06:11 AM
I've been wandering around on other sites and it's amazing the different opinions about this subject, so I'm throwing it out here. Who in the "group of men" do you think had the most influence, power and control. (besides Parker over Elvis's career) I've heard others say that the MM was trying to be too controlling over Elvis and the fans, I've heard Elvis was very controlling and his bad temper at times kept people in check. Then I've heard also that Vernon and Parker wanted to and tried to control things??

Dino78
12-17-2008, 06:41 AM
In my mind it's a mixture of it all.
Parker took control of the business side, Vernon of the financial side and the MM of entertaining Elvis. And not to mention that a King always controls his court.

TotallyInsane
12-17-2008, 06:45 AM
Speaking from personal experience - the MM were very controlling in keeping the fans away from Elvis.

Teddy
12-17-2008, 07:11 AM
Do you have a good anecdote to elaborate on this, Gail?
I like hearing stories from personal experience. http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

TotallyInsane
12-17-2008, 07:44 AM
Do you have a good anecdote to elaborate on this, Gail?
I like hearing stories from personal experience. http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

We met him once in Memphis. As they were leaving the building the MM had him surrounded and were not letting anyone get close. One of the people there who lived in Memphis who Elvis knew - asked Elvis to stop for these people who had driven a long way...he then stopped.

A friend of mine jumped on the stage in Vegas to get a kiss. She was grabbed by 2 MM just as she tapped Elvis on the shoulder....he turned around and saw her and motioned for them to let her go and gave her a kiss. She was only 15 years old - she wasn't a threat to him.

Teddy
12-17-2008, 08:00 AM
We met him once in Memphis. As they were leaving the building the MM had him surrounded and were not letting anyone get close. One of the people there who lived in Memphis who Elvis knew - asked Elvis to stop for these people who had driven a long way...he then stopped.

A friend of mine jumped on the stage in Vegas to get a kiss. She was grabbed by 2 MM just as she tapped Elvis on the shoulder....he turned around and saw her and motioned for them to let her go and gave her a kiss. She was only 15 years old - she wasn't a threat to him.

Yeah, it sounds like they were pretty officious in their duties.
Thanks for the stories. It's ridiculous to be manhandling 15 year old girls!
Did any MM members in particular strike you as particularly bad in this respect or would you prefer to not say?

TotallyInsane
12-17-2008, 08:05 AM
Yeah, it sounds like they were pretty officious in their duties.
Thanks for the stories. It's ridiculous to be manhandling 15 year old girls!
Did any MM members in particular strike you as particularly bad in this respect or would you prefer to not say?


Sonny to me was the worst. He always looked pissed off. Could have been just an intimidation I was experiencing as a teenager - but he just never seemed friendly.

Teddy
12-17-2008, 08:10 AM
Well he looks pretty mean when you see footage of him back in the day so I can believe it! :lol:(y)

ehollier
12-17-2008, 08:11 AM
Sonny to me was the worst. He always looked pissed off. Could have been just an intimidation I was experiencing as a teenager - but he just never seemed friendly.

What was Red like??? I've read that his temper was also legendary, but he looked a little smaller and less intimidating than Sonny.

epmoodyblue
12-17-2008, 09:49 AM
yeah MM entertaining Elvis... or better known as elvis court jesters clowns all of them(n)..i can understand why lisa to this day despises them all(y)...and more tragic fact is elvis loved having them around(n) elvis made a huge mistake taking on these clowns into his life...hiring some of the MM...played a small part that lead to elvis downfall

TotallyInsane
12-17-2008, 10:19 AM
yeah MM entertaining Elvis... or better known as elvis court jesters clowns all of them(n)..i can understand why lisa to this day despises them all(y)...and more tragic fact is elvis loved having them around(n) elvis made a huge mistake taking on these clowns into his life...hiring some of the MM...played a small part that lead to elvis downfall

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

utmom2008
12-17-2008, 10:26 AM
Sonny to me was the worst. He always looked pissed off. Could have been just an intimidation I was experiencing as a teenager - but he just never seemed friendly.

I will second that. I never saw the man with a pleasant look on his face.:supriced::supriced::blink::blink:

midnight
12-17-2008, 11:57 AM
Sonny and Red always seemed like two thugs to me. I have never seen them in person but the way you describe them Gail, is exactly how I had them pictured. Two big bullies!

Brian
12-17-2008, 02:28 PM
We met him once in Memphis. As they were leaving the building the MM had him surrounded and were not letting anyone get close. One of the people there who lived in Memphis who Elvis knew - asked Elvis to stop for these people who had driven a long way...he then stopped.

A friend of mine jumped on the stage in Vegas to get a kiss. She was grabbed by 2 MM just as she tapped Elvis on the shoulder....he turned around and saw her and motioned for them to let her go and gave her a kiss. She was only 15 years old - she wasn't a threat to him.

it's security and crowd control

some fans can get rowdy despite their age

she shouldn't have jumped on stage it can be dangerous

Brian
12-17-2008, 02:43 PM
I've been wandering around on other sites and it's amazing the different opinions about this subject, so I'm throwing it out here. Who in the "group of men" do you think had the most influence, power and control. (besides Parker over Elvis's career) I've heard others say that the MM was trying to be too controlling over Elvis and the fans, I've heard Elvis was very controlling and his bad temper at times kept people in check. Then I've heard also that Vernon and Parker wanted to and tried to control things??

I don't think the Memphis mafia tried to control Elvis

they worked for Elvis and did what ever he said

Brian
12-17-2008, 02:45 PM
I will second that. I never saw the man with a pleasant look on his face.:supriced::supriced::blink::blink:


Don't you mean Marty Lacker?

Tony Trout
12-17-2008, 02:46 PM
We met him once in Memphis. As they were leaving the building the MM had him surrounded and were not letting anyone get close. One of the people there who lived in Memphis who Elvis knew - asked Elvis to stop for these people who had driven a long way...he then stopped.

A friend of mine jumped on the stage in Vegas to get a kiss. She was grabbed by 2 MM just as she tapped Elvis on the shoulder....he turned around and saw her and motioned for them to let her go and gave her a kiss. She was only 15 years old - she wasn't a threat to him.


it's security and crowd control

some fans can get rowdy despite their age

she shouldn't have jumped on stage it can be dangerous



Exactly - and it's also called "doing their jobs".

TotallyInsane
12-17-2008, 05:08 PM
it's security and crowd control

some fans can get rowdy despite their age

she shouldn't have jumped on stage it can be dangerous

I guess you know better - I was there and I saw it. Sorry but a 15 year old girl doesn't require getting grabbed by 2 of them!!! Crowd control my arse!!

midnight
12-17-2008, 05:36 PM
I guess you know better - I was there and I saw it. Sorry but a 15 year old girl doesn't require getting grabbed by 2 of them!!! Crowd control my arse!!

(y)(y)(y)(y)

Brian
12-17-2008, 08:44 PM
I guess you know better - I was there and I saw it. Sorry but a 15 year old girl doesn't require getting grabbed by 2 of them!!! Crowd control my arse!!

15 year old girl can be dangerous if you let one fan jump up on stage all fans are going to want to and that can lead to out of control chaos.

I was at that concert in the 3rd row

utmom2008
12-17-2008, 08:54 PM
15 year old girl can be dangerous if you let one fan jump up on stage all fans are going to want to and that can lead to out of control chaos.

I was at that concert in the 3rd row

What is your deal these last few days Brian? If you were a woman I would think you were having a bit of PMS.;):lol::lol::lol:

Brian
12-17-2008, 09:00 PM
What is your deal these last few days Brian? If you were a woman I would think you were having a bit of PMS.;):lol::lol::lol:


This thread brings back painful memories for me

I remember years ago when I was in high School I was attacked by 15 year old girl for no reason. She pepper sprayed me and took my lunch money

I was just warning Total insane about the dangers of 15 year olds everywhere

utmom2008
12-17-2008, 09:04 PM
I was at that concert in the 3rd row

HUH?????????

Brian
12-17-2008, 09:06 PM
HUH?????????


the concert was good but I prefer listening to records

Brian
12-17-2008, 09:18 PM
3rd row at the Houston Astrodome

utmom2008
12-17-2008, 09:44 PM
3rd row at the Houston Astrodome

That's not the show that Gail is talking about....the show she is referring to was in Vegas of '76.

BTW...she and I were front row at the Dome.;):D

Brian
12-17-2008, 09:53 PM
That's not the show that Gail is talking about....the show she is referring to was in Vegas of '76.

BTW...she and I were front row at the Dome.;):D


I don't like to sit that close it hurts my eyes

I personally don't like Elvis concerts from 76 or 77

was the concert boring with Elvis doing the long, I got a woman ending etc.?

Merry
12-17-2008, 09:56 PM
This thread brings back painful memories for me

I remember years ago when I was in high School I was attacked by 15 year old girl for no reason. She pepper sprayed me and took my lunch money

I was just warning Total insane about the dangers of 15 year olds everywhere


Hi Brian,

I'm sorry to hear about the young lady who attacked you, that sounded dreadful. There are two young ladies on this site; however, who are a older than 15 now, who are so lovely, that I'd love to adopt them! lol, :D so it isn't all young ladies.

The young lady, just wanted to get to Elvis.

Elvis could certainly take care of himself, as an understatement, lol.

Weren't the Wests at least 2nd Dan Blackbelts?

I believe that they were also in trouble for being too rough; however, all of this was many years ago. :)

The Youtube isn't showing up on my end, so I'll attach the "old link" system, lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuOWzhcRh48

PuOWzhcRh48

Wish my son kept this up! Grrrrrrrr, he didn't like the atmosphere of the Dojo, and then other things happened!

I hope you are alright, Brian, as Rosanne asked?

Kim :)

jak
12-18-2008, 03:10 AM
There is a good reason why the fans were kept from getting on the stage.Even a young girl.If you let one fan get away with it,you might encourage others to start the same thing which could spiral out of control.This was especially true in Vegas with such a low stage.Better safe than sorry.

MissyM
12-18-2008, 08:31 AM
Well, IMO, Elvis put them in charge, instructed them, and paid them for doing the job as he saw fit. Apparently he felt the need for them to protect him from one person turning into a mob. And I suspect that at times he gave the nod letting them know when it was ok. I know one thing, I would not want to be the one in charge of all of it or doing crowd control. I know what I would want to do if I was there, multiply that by thousand! No thanks too much could go wrong and sometimes it did. Didn't he have the wounds to prove it??

Tony Trout
12-18-2008, 09:02 AM
There is a good reason why the fans were kept from getting on the stage.Even a young girl.If you let one fan get away with it,you might encourage others to start the same thing which could spiral out of control.This was especially true in Vegas with such a low stage.Better safe than sorry.


Agreed very much, Jak.


Well, IMO, Elvis put them in charge, instructed them, and paid them for doing the job as he saw fit. Apparently he felt the need for them to protect him from one person turning into a mob. And I suspect that at times he gave the nod letting them know when it was ok. I know one thing, I would not want to be the one in charge of all of it or doing crowd control. I know what I would want to do if I was there, multiply that by thousand! No thanks too much could go wrong and sometimes it did. Didn't he have the wounds to prove it??


I agree with every word, Missy. And he, reportedly, did suffer wounds sometimes among the throngs of fans while interacting with the crowd.

TotallyInsane
12-18-2008, 09:34 AM
I don't like to sit that close it hurts my eyes

I personally don't like Elvis concerts from 76 or 77

was the concert boring with Elvis doing the long, I got a woman ending etc.?

Front row at the dome - you don't like to sit that close cause it hurts your eyes??? And, you'd rather sit at home and listen to records than see him in person! Well, alrighty then!! That says it all right there.

Diane
12-18-2008, 09:52 AM
There is no comparison to seeing Elvis in person on stage to listening to his records at home. That has to be the lamest statement I've heard anywhere.

Diane

GraceeD1970
12-18-2008, 09:59 AM
I often wonder had Gladys lived how would his life would have been different. He had total respect, love and admiration for his mother.

Brian
12-18-2008, 10:11 AM
There is no comparison to seeing Elvis in person on stage to listening to his records at home. That has to be the lamest statement I've heard anywhere.

Diane

I don't think it's lame

I happen to think singers sound better on record than live

it's just a matter of preference

Brian
12-18-2008, 10:21 AM
There is a good reason why the fans were kept from getting on the stage.Even a young girl.If you let one fan get away with it,you might encourage others to start the same thing which could spiral out of control.This was especially true in Vegas with such a low stage.Better safe than sorry.

I tried to point this out to Totally Insane but she got mad at me

one time Elvis got scratched by female fans then it got infected and he got real sick.

so female fans can inadvertenly cause harm

TotallyInsane
12-18-2008, 10:24 AM
I tried to point this out to Totally Insane but she got mad at me

one time Elvis got scratched by female fans then it got infected and he got real sick.

so female fans can inadvertenly cause harm

How do you know it wasn't a "male" fan that scratched him??????????

Brian
12-18-2008, 10:30 AM
How do you know it wasn't a "male" fan that scratched him??????????


If I remember correctly he talks about it on one of the FTD's or imports I have

Also I never seen male fans swarm Elvis the way female fans do and
male fans aren't anxious to get kissed by Elvis

kathy parkinson
12-18-2008, 10:30 AM
Elvis sadly never performed in my country, but if he had believe me i would have walked the entire length of the UK to see him

KPM
12-18-2008, 11:48 AM
On 3-22-76 I saw a girl upended by one of the security and her head hit the stage. She should not have been on the stage-that is a given-but this girl may have weighed all of 115 pounds? There was no need to be that rough-she could have been taken by the arm and escorted off stage just as easily.
I think over time security around Elvis became a little punchy-I am not faulting them it happens to a lot of people. In the Secret Service when someone gets "punchy" so to speak on the Presidents security team they are taken off the team and reassigned to a less stressful situation. I have heard Elvis on a couple import cds tell the security to not be so rough with people. But when you are at it full time-it can lead to being too rough.

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 01:12 PM
There is no comparison to seeing Elvis in person on stage to listening to his records at home. That has to be the lamest statement I've heard anywhere.

Diane

At last...a voice that makes sense.;)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Diane
12-18-2008, 01:16 PM
I agree that no fans should be allowed on stage with a performer but there are better ways of handling it than as roughly as the security did at times and I base that on Elvis saying they didn't have to be so rough and the legal suits they caused.

Diane

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 01:35 PM
3rd row at the Houston Astrodome


I don't like to sit that close it hurts my eyes

I personally don't like Elvis concerts from 76 or 77

was the concert boring with Elvis doing the long, I got a woman ending etc.?
Hey Brian...which show did you attend?;) Everyone knows(whether they were AT the show or not) that there is no difference in the front row or the third row when it comes to the Astrodome. Interesting things that you are just now beginning to share. However..this one is awfully fishy.;):lol::lol::lol:

There is no comparison to seeing Elvis in person on stage to listening to his records at home. That has to be the lamest statement I've heard anywhere.

Diane
No...I would say it's the 2nd lamest statement I've heard. It ranks just below "concerts hurt my eyes...and I think it was better listening to records anyway.":lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

ehollier
12-18-2008, 01:44 PM
Hey Brian...this one is awfully fishy.;):lol::lol::lol:

No...I would say it's the 2nd lamest statement I've heard. It ranks just below "concerts hurt my eyes...and I think it was better listening to records anyway.":lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I don't ever recall having any eye pain while watching Elvis .........:blink:

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 01:46 PM
I don't ever recall having any eye pain while watching Elvis .........:blink:

I may have experienced some "eye pain" during his shows....it was caused from NOT blinking. I didn't want to miss a thing!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Diane
12-18-2008, 01:46 PM
Me either Liz, I don't think I even dared to blink. I didn't want to miss a second of finally seeing him in person.:lmfao:

Diane

ehollier
12-18-2008, 01:48 PM
I may have experienced some "eye pain" during his shows....it was caused from NOT blinking. I didn't want to miss a thing!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I imagine that uncontollable drooling and heart palpitations were also part of the ELVIS! concert experience.......:P

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 01:49 PM
I imagine that uncontollable drooling and heart palpitations were also part of the ELVIS! concert experience.......:P

Absolutely....there were "pains" all over my body!:lmfao:(y)(y)

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 01:57 PM
3rd row at the Houston Astrodome


I don't like to sit that close it hurts my eyes



I'm looking, but I still can't see a difference in the 3rd row or the 1st row.:doh::doh:

28450

Brian
12-18-2008, 04:43 PM
Hey Brian...which show did you attend?;) Everyone knows(whether they were AT the show or not) that there is no difference in the front row or the third row when it comes to the Astrodome. Interesting things that you are just now beginning to share. However..this one is awfully fishy.;):lol::lol::lol:



I was just joking about it hurting my eyes

1970 and 74

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 04:52 PM
I was just joking about it hurting my eyes

1970 and 74

Again.....which shows?:doh:

Brian
12-18-2008, 04:55 PM
[COLOR="DarkRed"]No...I would say it's the 2nd lamest statement I've heard. It ranks just below "concerts hurt my eyes...and I think it was better listening to records anyway.":lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

lots of people prefer studio recordings to going and seeing someone sing live

in my experience most singers sound better on record than live

As far as Elvis goes there were some shows where he sang very good but I felt a lot of times he joked around too much on the songs and then in later years he sang throw away versions of his hits and didn't change his set list very much so I just prefered listening to the original studio recordings.

that's just my opinion
I know I'm not the only one who felt that way.

Brian
12-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Again.....which shows?:doh:

Elvis played the Astrodome in 70 and 74

I was at 2 of those shows


one in 1970 and the other in 74

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 05:36 PM
Elvis played the Astrodome in 70 and 74

I was at 2 of those shows


one in 1970 and the other in 74

Which shows which years?:doh:

Brian
12-18-2008, 05:58 PM
Which shows which years?:doh:


Why do you take such in interest in what shows I was at?

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 06:16 PM
Why do you take such in interest in what shows I was at?

:lol:Why are you so reluctant to tell us which shows you saw?:doh::lol: I always converse with people that were at the shows that I saw.:lol:

MissyM
12-18-2008, 06:36 PM
I agree with the part about getting to ruff but I think it was isolated. I'm telling you hubs just being in a smaller venue can be a pain. You have people doing all kinds of crazy stuff. You have to play and keep an eye out for everything. He's had chicks flirting and trying to talk to him when he is up there. Guys thinking they are bad assses trying to pick fights. And no joke one guy even almost puked on his equipement. So ya know, doing a performance can be wild and trying to keep an eye out on all of it can not have been easy. I think generally they did a good job for as many shows as they did it. But yes, the last thing Elvis needed is trouble and bad P.R.




I agree that no fans should be allowed on stage with a performer but there are better ways of handling it than as roughly as the security did at times and I base that on Elvis saying they didn't have to be so rough and the legal suits they caused.

Diane

franny
12-18-2008, 08:10 PM
:lol:Why are you so reluctant to tell us which shows you saw?:doh::lol: I always converse with people that were at the shows that I saw.:lol:

Maybe, we should ask Cecil ;)

Btw, Rosanne where were you sitting at these shows? Sorry, if you already mentioned it, but maybe I missed it..

franny

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 08:44 PM
Btw, Rosanne where were you sitting at these shows? Sorry, if you already mentioned it, but maybe I missed it..
franny

Gail and I were on the front row. That's how we found each other again last January(after 30 years)...we were on TCB discussing being on the front row and how we both did a double take thinking the girl with the long straight dark hair was me. That thread is still here if I can find it.:blush::blush:
28452

utmom2008
12-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Maybe, we should ask Cecil ;)
franny

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Brian
12-18-2008, 09:08 PM
Maybe, we should ask Cecil ;)

Btw, Rosanne where were you sitting at these shows? Sorry, if you already mentioned it, but maybe I missed it..

franny

please don't make fun of my friend Cecil

Brian
12-18-2008, 09:23 PM
Gail and I were on the front row. That's how we found each other again last January(after 30 years)...we were on TCB discussing being on the front row and how we both did a double take thinking the girl with the long straight dark hair was me. That thread is still here if I can find it.:blush::blush:
28452

that's interesting

I sorta got the impression from reading some of your posts that you and her were lifelong friends

TotallyInsane
12-18-2008, 09:44 PM
that's interesting

I sorta got the impression from reading some of your posts that you and her were lifelong friends

We made up for those lost 30 years this year! We met when we were 13.

Brian
12-18-2008, 11:01 PM
:lol:Why are you so reluctant to tell us which shows you saw?:doh::lol: I always converse with people that were at the shows that I saw.:lol:

well okay

but there isn't much to tell

I went to the concert and then Elvis sang some songs and I went home
it's was fun to go somewhere and get out of the house and to see Elvis and all. Being in the Astrodome I understand why Elvis didn't like playing in stadiums it was big and the audiences were so far compared to vegas or the smaller auditoriums he played. I didn't like the sound at the concert that's one of the reasons I like listening to records. the other reasons being I'm the opposite of claustrophobic and I like to get up and dance while listening and I couldn't do that because all the other people there would laugh at me.

two concerts I wish I attended besides the one are Boston 71 and Pittsburgh 76 (just to see if that concert was as good as everybody says)
so there you have it

TotallyInsane
12-19-2008, 06:36 AM
but there isn't much to tell

First time I've ever heard of someone describing an Elvis concert like this!!
If you didn't like the "big" stadium atmosphere why did you go twice?
Why didn't you go to Hofeinz Pavillion in 11/71 or Hofeinz in 6/75 (2 shows) or The Summit in 8/76? He did play other places in Houston besides the Astrodome. There's a few write ups about these shows like the one you found about the dome - look them up too.

ehollier
12-19-2008, 06:46 AM
but there isn't much to tell

First time I've ever heard of someone describing an Elvis concert like this!!
If you didn't like the "big" stadium atmosphere why did you go twice?
Why didn't you go to Hofeinz Pavillion in 11/71 or Hofeinz in 6/75 (2 shows) or The Summit in 8/76? He did play other places in Houston besides the Astrodome. There's a few write ups about these shows like the one you found about the dome - look them up too.

Just between you and me, I would walk on water to get to his show......

utmom2008
12-19-2008, 09:56 AM
Just between you and me, I would walk on water to get to his show......

As would most Liz! My BS meter is off the charts on this one.;):lol::lol::lol:

Diane
12-19-2008, 10:02 AM
So is mine...still no dates for the presumed concerts?????


Diane

presley31
12-19-2008, 10:04 AM
please don't make fun of my friend Cecil

your the one who bought him up being a reliable source:blink:

utmom2008
12-19-2008, 10:16 AM
So is mine...still no dates for the presumed concerts?????


Diane

Right.......:unsure: :rolleyes:

Brian
12-19-2008, 10:45 AM
your the one who bought him up being a reliable source:blink:

I didn't say he wasn't reliable

just don't make fun of him

please

KPM
12-19-2008, 10:52 AM
I was in the nosebleed seats in St. Louis in 76 -when I saw him the sound was very good and it was an exciting evening. I would not trade seeing that performance for anything.(y)
Even though the show was not like 69-73 the rush you got as you watched him take the stage and strut back and forth was unreal.

SleepyJack
12-19-2008, 10:53 AM
I would have given anything to have seen Elvis live..even once....even from the 1000th row....even sitting on the ground.... but,anyway back to the "control" question!..... The impression I always got was that the whole set...mafia,family,friends and Elvis himself was always a battle for control in one way or another....whether it was a battle for love or loyalty,rewards,bragging-rights....it all just seemed like one big,never-ending competition to me.:)

utmom2008
12-19-2008, 10:53 AM
that's interesting

I sorta got the impression from reading some of your posts that you and her were lifelong friends

We are....since the age of 13. Try and keep up, OK?;):rolleyes::lol:

utmom2008
12-19-2008, 10:54 AM
Even though the show was not like 69-73 the rush you got as you watched him take the stage and strut back and forth was unreal.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:11 AM
but there isn't much to tell

First time I've ever heard of someone describing an Elvis concert like this!!
If you didn't like the "big" stadium atmosphere why did you go twice?
Why didn't you go to Hofeinz Pavillion in 11/71 or Hofeinz in 6/75 (2 shows) or The Summit in 8/76? He did play other places in Houston besides the Astrodome. There's a few write ups about these shows like the one you found about the dome - look them up too.

Don't be rude Totally isane or mean

I wish I went to the summit but wasn't living in Houston in 75 or 76

I wouldn't lie about seeing Elvis in concert

if you see Elvis in concert you do and if you don't you don't.

I would never call you a liar

it's nice that you saw Elvis in concert and had a wonderful experience but remember I like listening to records more so you would have a better time than me.

At the concerts it wasn't like I met Elvis and the TCB band

I just watched him sing and then went home

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:15 AM
We are....since the age of 13. Try and keep up, OK?;):rolleyes::lol:

Yeah I knew that but then you said you just met again this year.

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:31 AM
As would most Liz! My BS meter is off the charts on this one.;):lol::lol::lol:

just because I didn't walk on water to get there

Ernst Jorgensten once talked about going to see an Elvis concert in Johnson city. he described the concert as alright

for people that saw him Elvis we all have different opinions about seeing him live.

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:35 AM
I would have given anything to have seen Elvis live..even once....even from the 1000th row....even sitting on the ground.... but,anyway back to the "control" question!..... The impression I always got was that the whole set...mafia,family,friends and Elvis himself was always a battle for control in one way or another....whether it was a battle for love or loyalty,rewards,bragging-rights....it all just seemed like one big,never-ending competition to me.:)

I've heard that they tried to get close to him
to curry favor with him but I don't think they controlled him

Elvis was their boss so they did what he told them

I would say it was the other way around.

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:48 AM
So is mine...still no dates for the presumed concerts?????


Diane

I don't know who you people are

if I told you might be able track me down and come kill me

I doubt it but it's an internet precaution

that type of thing happens too much though

Brian
12-19-2008, 11:51 AM
I was in the nosebleed seats in St. Louis in 76 -when I saw him the sound was very good and it was an exciting evening. I would not trade seeing that performance for anything.(y)
Even though the show was not like 69-73 the rush you got as you watched him take the stage and strut back and forth was unreal.

Roseanne would like to know exactly what show you were at

Sonny
12-19-2008, 11:59 AM
Maybe you should start a new thread about those concerts.
So that this one at least can stay on topic...

Brian
12-19-2008, 12:14 PM
Maybe you should start a new thread about those concerts.
So that this one at least can stay on topic...

Maybe I should

Thank you, for the idea

Sonny
12-19-2008, 12:20 PM
Glad to be of help...

renapap05
12-19-2008, 02:56 PM
I think all of them tried to control Elvis.The Parker ofcourse and the MM.Also Vernon wanted to have control of him,as long as he was his son...;)

Lainey
12-19-2008, 03:10 PM
I think all of them tried to control Elvis.The Parker ofcourse and the MM.Also Vernon wanted to have control of him,as long as he was his son...;)

I agree. Reading about their lives, there seemed to be a continual struggle for control amongst the whole group. Control shifted depending upon the situation. I would have been exhausted with all the mind games and maneuvering going on. I guess, in the end, control was an illusion.

utmom2008
12-19-2008, 10:53 PM
Roseanne would like to know exactly what show you were at

I already knew...Ken told me long ago.;)

MissyM
12-20-2008, 06:02 AM
I may not be understanding here. Can we have some clarification.
How did the MM, Vernon, Elvis and ect try to control.
I know Vernon tried to control Elvis's spending. And he tried to have some in the MM, tell on Elvis.
I know Parker tried to control Elvis, career, and even aspects of his life. He encouraged his marriage, very much Elvis's rep, and again wanted some of the MM to narc on Elvis.
How did the MM try to control Elvis? I'd like the sources for that. I think Elvis tried to control them, but I also think as boss he had every right.

Diane
12-20-2008, 08:03 AM
I don't think there is any question as to Colonel Parker controlling Elvis. He did that in a big way. I think Vernon did try to control Elvis' spending and that the MM tried each and every one to be number one friend with Elvis but I wouldn't call that control....more manipulation. I do think Elvis tried to control them but he was boss and they were like a bunch of wild kids and needed to be controlled.

Diane

KPM
12-20-2008, 12:38 PM
I may not be understanding here. Can we have some clarification.
How did the MM, Vernon, Elvis and ect try to control.
I know Vernon tried to control Elvis's spending. And he tried to have some in the MM, tell on Elvis.
I know Parker tried to control Elvis, career, and even aspects of his life. He encouraged his marriage, very much Elvis's rep, and again wanted some of the MM to narc on Elvis.
How did the MM try to control Elvis? I'd like the sources for that. I think Elvis tried to control them, but I also think as boss he had every right.
I recall reading how some tried to manuvere him into expensive gifts, or cars etc....but I can not recall where I read it. Thats as close as I can recall to any control of Elvis by the MM. You are correct the one who signs the paycheck should set the rules for the situation.

cbg84
02-26-2009, 12:32 AM
If I remember correctly he talks about it on one of the FTD's or imports I have

Also I never seen male fans swarm Elvis the way female fans do and
male fans aren't anxious to get kissed by Elvis

which one?