Vernon

[MissyM]

When he brought the Stanley's into Elvis's life, do you think that was a mistake? Should Vernon have been more careful. What do you think Elvis thought of the boys. I mean, like did he see them as brothers?

[Unchained Melody]

I do think Elvis accepted them as brothers, and even if he really didn't deep down Elvis was not the type of person to come out and say no I don't like you all, you aren't my real family. I think he really tried to welcome them into the family out of love for his father, because I think he wanted him to be happy. But nonetheless, I do believe that Elvis was very angry deep down at his father for remarrying so soon, I think Elvis thought that was betrayal to his mother.

[Teddy]

Missy, you are becoming my favorite thread initiator (y)

This is a topic which is especially worth revisiting in the light of David Stanley's extraordinary current movie project:
http://www.restoringmyfathershonor.com/

Whatever way you look at it, Vernon probably should have been a lot more careful, yes. :lol:
Having said that, if David's new film is to believed at all, the serious wrongdoing was in the kind of care that Vernon took while usurping upon the Stanley family.

It sounds like Elvis did his best to accommodate the boys for his father's sake.
Since he was inclined to 'do the right thing by family' and show support, we'll probably never know exactly how he felt about it.

[presley31]

I think dee was a mistake and vernon should of been more wise when dee was trying to put his hooks into elvis and as for the boys well elvis treated them like brothers, but its shame they couldn't show enough respect towards elvis.

[Unchained Melody]

I agree they could've shown Elvis more respect, and tbh the only one her dee's kids I ever liked was rickey.

[TotallyInsane]

I think Elvis felt sorry for the boys for having the mother they had. Yes, he did treat them like brothers - too bad they didn't keep the same respect for him after he died!!!

[Unchained Melody]

I think Elvis felt sorry for the boys for having the mother they had. Yes, he did treat them like brothers - too bad they didn't keep the same respect for him after he died!!!

Yeah especially that David Stanley...makes me sick !!

[dstrattenfan]

Yeah especially that David Stanley...makes me sick !!

Agreed this is what he (David) said about Elvis killing himself

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[presley31]

It really blows my mind how much elvis did for these people and than have them turn around and drag elvis though the mud and say the most horrible things..if only elvis and vernon knew what low lives they were they could of got rid of them from the begining.

[dstrattenfan]

It really blows my mind how much elvis did for these people and than have them turn around and drag elvis though the mud and say the most horrible things..if only elvis and vernon knew what low lives they were they could of got rid of them from the begining.

That is what Vernon tried to do at the end, if it was the money excuse than so be it...I don't like Ginger much because, I don't think she was loved E, but she said it best when she said that E wasn't mad about the book it was the principle of the book, because he had done so much for these people's families.

[Broussey]

Red West said it best!!! ''I know him like a book , i know he was religious, i know what he would do and what he wound not do .. and he would not kill him self on purpose''

[Unchained Melody]

Agreed this is what he (David) said about Elvis killing himself

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Yeah I've seen it once. Don't care to watch it again.

[Diane]

Same here. I'll take Red West's words over any of the Stanley's any day. I think they may have been expecting big money after Elvis died but didn't get it and then Vernon divorced their mother and all of them turned on Elvis.

Diane

[Shake A Hand]

I was always curious as to why Vernon picked up with her and so soon after Gladys passing, but I guess it was company for him. She always came across as more interested in Elvis than his dad and I get the impression Elvis knew that. imo Elvis accepted the stanley brothers for the sake of Vernon's happiness.

Off the subject a little but it's been said that Dee's first husband was a drunk and a bully, does anyone know if he ever gave his side of the story?

[Unchained Melody]

Same here. I'll take Red West's words over any of the Stanley's any day. I think they may have been expecting big money after Elvis died but didn't get it and then Vernon divorced their mother and all of them turned on Elvis.

Diane

Thats the way I look at it aswell Diane.

[ksimms2]

I was always curious as to why Vernon picked up with her and so soon after Gladys passing, but I guess it was company for him. She always came across as more interested in Elvis than his dad and I get the impression Elvis knew that. imo Elvis accepted the stanley brothers for the sake of Vernon's happiness.

Off the subject a little but it's been said that Dee's first husband was a drunk and a bully, does anyone know if he ever gave his side of the story?

Plain and simple, Vernon was after a piece of ***!! (I inserted the * myself, didn't actually spell the word)....he saw Elvis with gorgeous women on his arm all the time and I think Vernon was jealous and wanted what Elvis had....

I do think Elvis felt bad for them and tried to make up for the way their mom/dad's marriage turned out and tried to be there for them.

They stabbed him in the back - so did that nasty person Dee. Whatever happened to her anyways?

[Unchained Melody]

I really don't think Vernon was Jealous of what Elvis had..Proud, yes, very, but not jealous, I mean come on thats his son.

And calling him a piece of (insert what you want here) is a little out of line if you ask me.

We don't know why vernon chose Dee, who in the world are to see here on a MB 40-50 years later and say that he didn;t like her..maybe he was really lonely since he did loose his wife and all!!

[presley31]

Don't really think vernon was jealous or in need for some loving. I think he was lonely and to be honest l don't think gladys and vernon were to happy with eachtogther in the end.

[utmom2008]

And calling him a piece of (insert what you want here) is a little out of line if you ask me.



:doh::doh:Who called who a what?:doh::lol:

[Tony Trout]

One little thing to remember: Dee originally wanted Elvis but when she couldn't land Elvis, he (Elvis) sent his father to meet her.

Brad: No one is calling Vernon a "piece of ***" (my asteriks). You mis-read. Kelly was saying that "Vernon wanted a 'piece of ***'" and she was referring to Dee as being said object.

[presley31]

One little thing to remember: Dee originally wanted Elvis but when she couldn't land Elvis, he (Elvis) sent his father to meet her.

Brad: No one is calling Vernon a "piece of ***" (my asteriks). You mis-read. Kelly was saying that "Vernon wanted a 'piece of ***'" and she was referring to Dee as being said object.

That's to funny that Dee thought elvis would want her:lol::lol::lol: she played her cards right when it came to vernon, to bad galdy's was alive to kick her to the curb.

[Unchained Melody]

My apologies Im so sorry I definitley mis read it! I'm sorry ksimms2

[Diane]

Two strokes of luck for two women when Elvis was sent to Germany...:lol: and neither were keepers.

Diane

[CRITTERGITTER]

MAYBE HIS DRINKING AND LORD KNOWS WHAT ELSE LEAD TO THE DESTRUCTION OF HIS MARRIAGE. i'M SURE THE DRINKING DID NOT STOP AFTER THE BREAKUP. i DON'T THINK HE WAS TOTALLY A VICTIM.

THE MOVIE WEBSITE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT DEE IN THE BEST OF TERMS EITHER.

[utmom2008]

That's to funny that Dee thought elvis would want her:lol::lol::lol: she played her cards right when it came to vernon, to bad galdy's was alive to kick her to the curb.

I'm lost on that comment Jen...what are talking about?:blink:

[presley31]

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I'm lost on that comment Jen...what are talking about?:blink:

if galdy's was alive vernon wouldn't be messing around and galdys would make sure dee was no where near her family.

[kathy parkinson]

HUH!! i don't get this

[presley31]

MAYBE HIS DRINKING AND LORD KNOWS WHAT ELSE LEAD TO THE DESTRUCTION OF HIS MARRIAGE. i'M SURE THE DRINKING DID NOT STOP AFTER THE BREAKUP. i DON'T THINK HE WAS TOTALLY A VICTIM.

THE MOVIE WEBSITE DOES NOT TALK ABOUT DEE IN THE BEST OF TERMS EITHER.

Not surprised there hearing there isn't good stuff said about dee;) that woman knew how play the game and in the end she showed her true colours.

[utmom2008]

HUH!! i don't get this

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[presley31]

HUH!! i don't get this

Once again if galdys lived dee wouldn't be around the presley family.

[Diane]

What Jen is saying is that if Gladys had lived and was in Germany with Elvis and Vernon, Dee wouldn't have gotten near either one...and I believe that one for sure.:lol:

Diane

[presley31]

What Jen is saying is that if Gladys had lived and was in Germany with Elvis and Vernon, Dee wouldn't have gotten near either one...and I believe that one for sure.:lol:

Diane

Thank you diane. glad someone knew what l was talking about(y)

[Diane]

You're welcome Jen. I have no trouble understanding you at all..ever.:hug:

Diane

[Donut]

I don't think it was a mistake. Vernon seemed to really like Dee and Elvis had no reason to dislike her sons because they were just kids. I don't think he really saw them as brothers though but Vernon had the right to rebuild his life.

[kathy parkinson]

What Jen is saying is that if Gladys had lived and was in Germany with Elvis and Vernon, Dee wouldn't have gotten near either one...and I believe that one for sure.:lol:

Diane

I understand now, my apologies Jen, and yes i agree with you.

[utmom2008]

What Jen is saying is that if Gladys had lived and was in Germany with Elvis and Vernon, Dee wouldn't have gotten near either one...and I believe that one for sure.:lol:

Diane

If Gladys had lived there are alot of people that she would have kept at an arm's distance from Elvis and Vernon.;)(y)

[kathy parkinson]

If Gladys had lived there are alot of people that she would have kept at an arm's distance from Elvis and Vernon.;)(y) Ain't that the truth

[WHITETIGERMAN]

I think alot would have been different had Gladys had been living still. I never cared for Dee and David.....that's for sure. They are both full of IT. I have never really heard anything out of Billy and for Ricky......well as we say you take things you hear with a grain of salt. I think Vernon did make a bad choice in Dee. At times I know he loved Elvis......but I think he really cared for himself more than he did others.

[MissyM]

My MIL has this to say about Dee, "That G.D. Dee Stanley is nothing but a hussy and if Vernon don't see it he's dumber than a stump." (MIL never thought to well of V.)

[presley31]

I think alot would have been different had Gladys had been living still. I never cared for Dee and David.....that's for sure. They are both full of IT. I have never really heard anything out of Billy and for Ricky......well as we say you take things you hear with a grain of salt. I think Vernon did make a bad choice in Dee. At times I know he loved Elvis......but I think he really cared for himself more than he did others.

All the stanleys are terrible and have no respect for elvis.

[Diane]

]If Gladys had lived there are alot of people that she would have kept at an arm's distance from Elvis and Vernon.;)(y)[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

I often wish that had been the case. She would have kept a little more control over his life than the constant adolescent partying he got into.

As far as Dee is concerned, she was just another very determined pushy dame after a Presley for the money and fame. Just enough time had passed since Gladys died and Vernon being very vulnerable. Elvis was at a down point too and also got nabbed.

Diane

[presley31]

]If Gladys had lived there are alot of people that she would have kept at an arm's distance from Elvis and Vernon.;)(y)[/COLOR][/B]

I often wish that had been the case. She would have kept a little more control over his life than the constant adolescent partying he got into.

As far as Dee is concerned, she was just another very determined pushy dame after a Presley for the money and fame. Just enough time had passed since Gladys died and Vernon being very vulnerable. Elvis was at a down point too and also got nabbed.

Diane[/QUOTE]

agreed diane. Dee was like a hunter stalking her pray and than pounced when she got the chance..wonder if vernon ever regreted having her in his life?

[john carpenter]

The fact that Elvis didn,t let Dee & Vernon move into Graceland speaks volumes! He resented the fact Vernon married so soon after Gladys died. And IMO i believe he tried to treat the Stanley boys with respect and even gave them jobs (David) And i believe David and Dee are the only ones to trash Elvis. And after what Dee said about Elvis & Gladys she needs to see a shrink!

[utmom2008]

My MIL has this to say about Dee, "That G.D. Dee Stanley is nothing but a hussy and if Vernon don't see it he's dumber than a stump." (MIL never thought to well of V.)

:lmfao::lmfao:(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[dstrattenfan]

It was bad enough the thing she said about Gladys and Elvis but if u watch the video I posted about her she says that she ran out of the house and tripped because Vernon had gotten violent with her after she told him she was pregnant, and that she has lost the baby...WHATEVER

[riley]

quote

Originally Posted by MissyM
My MIL has this to say about Dee, "That G.D. Dee Stanley is nothing but a hussy and if Vernon don't see it he's dumber than a stump." (MIL never thought to well of V.)
;):lol::notworthy:notworthy

Your Mil seemed to be a wise woman. I don't want to badmouth Vernon but I also believe he let the little guy below do the thinking the day he married that woman.;)

[presley31]

Does anybody know what happened to vernon's last girlfriend??

[Diane]

I didn't know he had one...who was she?

Diane

[presley31]

I didn't know he had one...who was she?

Diane

For three years Vernon has lived in a five-bedroom house around the corner from Graceland with his girlfriend-nurse, Sandy Miller, 39, and her three children. But later this month they reportedly plan to move to Graceland and to get married sometime after that.

source:http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20071521,00.html

[midnight]

I was just curious....is Dee Stanley still alive? Not that I care much but if she is she must be ancient!

[presley31]

Not sure how many of you follow young and the restless, but this dee reminds me of gloria.

yVtPTckeeiM

[dstrattenfan]

I looked on find a grave for our "lovely Dee":mad: and didn't see her and if she died I'm sure someone would have put her on there.

[riley]

I think she is still alive but don't know if her sons still are close to her either... I have pics of her and her grandchildren but don't know if all 3 are still close to her anymore....

[SleepyJack]

I don`t think you can really blame Vernon for bringing the Stanleys into the story....we all make dumb decisions at one time or another!....How was he to know at the time?..I mean,he wasn`t getting younger...he was probably flattered at any female attention....and,well...chose a bad one to get involved with. I can understand why Elvis would have been bothered by it, it was very soon after Gladys died...way too soon for Elvis....

[riley]

good post Sleepyjack. We all have now wiser views on it because we know the outcome but Vernon didn't have a cristal ball either and the Presley's often seem to fall for the wrong woman too.

The boys were kids and noone could know they were soon going to grow up and backstab Elvis....

For Elvis it was way to soon indeed that his daddy fell in love again. I think giving him time and a more suitable caring woman for Vernon would have turned out better indeed. For all parties involved.

[MissyM]

quote

Originally Posted by MissyM
My MIL has this to say about Dee, "That G.D. Dee Stanley is nothing but a hussy and if Vernon don't see it he's dumber than a stump." (MIL never thought to well of V.)
;):lol::notworthy:notworthy

Your Mil seemed to be a wise woman. I don't want to badmouth Vernon but I also believe he let the little guy below do the thinking the day he married that woman.;)

_________
So true.

[Albert]

Agreed this is what he (David) said about Elvis killing himself

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a good documentary. Nothing bad said by David or Red, nothing sensational. Looking from 1974 to 1977, it's clear for everyone to see that Elvis was destroying himself and nobody could stop it.

About Vernon: he had every right to marry however he wanted, whenever he wanted. Come on, when Gladys died, Elvis was 23. No, Vernon didn't need to ask Elvis' permission to remarry. And even if Elvis didn't Vernon's new wife, or stephbrothers, that's too bad. That's something all kids have to deal with when parents divorce or when one of them dies.

Many fans are constantly trying to put Elvis in the victim's position, finding an excuse for his behaviours or problems. It's very simple: Elvis was his own worst enemy. Many of the problems would also have been when he wouldn't have been a star, but being The King didn't help.

[MissyM]

Having the "right" to do something, does not mean your decision will be the best for all, nor does it mean it is the responsible one, or that it is not done for selfish motives. This is what I was addressing.
Also, acknowledging that Elvis's life was full of challenges,and difficult sutuations, does not mean everyone thinks of him as a victim.