Graceland 1977 Pool Footage

[Unchained Melody]

What do you make of this.

Could their possibly be a chance this footage exist, and EPE are holding it back for that huge ultimate anthology they are suppose to be working on for release someday.

Perhaps Elvis said something in the interview if indeed it happened that touched something whether it be about his life or how he felt with himself at that time, with him dying just a month later in August and EPE felt it should be hidden away..

[midnight]

I have always heard rumors about this pool footage! It would be fantastic if it was true.

[Unchained Melody]

I have always heard rumors about this pool footage! It would be fantastic if it was true.

Would certainly be something interesting see no doubt about it! If only true that is.

[Unchained Melody]

After reading this once more, I remember reading somewhere when Elvis was told about the EIC CBS Special by Parker, he agreed, but didn't want to have to do anything special, no sort of interviews etc, just the live concerts filmed and thats it. That's got me questioning now if this could be true, the interview by the pool.

[Tommy]

I think this is not true, have heard this before, it would have surfaced after all this time.

[Elvislives72]

Don't know if an actual interview was done or not but the camera crew did film in and around Memphis so it's possible. Here's another thought, maybe they meant the interview was with Vernon instead of Elvis.:hmm:

[Unchained Melody]

I know its a long shot but I would like to think theres a really small chance that this could have happened...and EPE are holding it for something big..

[Tony Trout]

What do you make of this.

Could their possibly be a chance this footage exist, and EPE are holding it back for that huge ultimate anthology they are suppose to be working on for release someday.

Perhaps Elvis said something in the interview if indeed it happened that touched something whether it be about his life or how he felt with himself at that time, with him dying just a month later in August and EPE felt it should be hidden away..


I think this is not true, have heard this before, it would have surfaced after all this time.


If it was true, I think it would've surfaced by now - same goes for the continually rumored pro footage of MSG shows.

[Unchained Melody]

Call me a dreamer then :lmfao::lmfao:

[Tommy]

Call me a dreamer then :lmfao::lmfao:


Yes, I wish.

[john carpenter]

In the DVD EIC (Omaha & Rapid City) they did an interview with Venron at Dolan drive where he talks about Elvis,s early days and Colonel Parker ect, And they showed parts of Graceland... no pool footage though. I know other members have EIC on dvd..do you remember this footage?:hmm:

[Unchained Melody]

In the DVD EIC (Omaha & Rapid City) they did an interview with Venron at Dolan drive where he talks about Elvis,s early days and Colonel Parker ect, And they showed parts of Graceland... no pool footage though. I know other members have EIC on dvd..do you remember this footage?:hmm:


CBS filmed, not videotaped, Vernon and the Graceland grounds in late June, just before he joined Elvis in Cincinnati on June 25. June 17-19, 1977 (Friday-Sunday) may be the time frame for when the producers came to see Vernon at Graceland.

[Elvislives72]

CBS filmed, not videotaped, Vernon and the Graceland grounds in late June, just before he joined Elvis in Cincinnati on June 25. June 17-19, 1977 (Friday-Sunday) may be the time frame for when the producers came to see Vernon at Graceland.

Actualy I do believe it was videotaped becuase it was tv special and not being made as a filmed movie. TV and movie productions are done much differently.

CBS recorded two different interviews known of with Vernon for the special. One was as mentioned and the other was when they returned to Memphis following Elvis' death and recorded Vernon thanking the fans for their cars and letters to the family.

I have heard from others in the past that Elvis didn't want to be interviewed and that this was the reason for Vernon to do the only interviews. Keep in mind that nobody including the antourage wanted to be a part of the interview segments. That's why they turned to the fans for rest.

I think those around Elvis knew it was a bad idea by the Colonel and by Vernon to convince Elvis to do it. IMO Parker knew Elvis was in bad shape and knew if he didn't get some type of pro shot footage of him then that he might never get the chance for future reference. I know it sounds classless but hey, that was how the Colonel worked.

[Unchained Melody]

I think those around Elvis knew it was a bad idea by the Colonel and by Vernon to convince Elvis to do it. IMO Parker knew Elvis was in bad shape and knew if he didn't get some type of pro shot footage of him then that he might never get the chance for future reference. I know it sounds classless but hey, that was how the Colonel worked.

Your right they didn't like the fact Parker let Elvis do that special.

Marty lacker said he saw it and he cried, and he was madder than hell at Vernon and Parker for allowing CBS to show that on october 3rd 1977.

Had Elvis lived i gurantee you it would NOT have been shown on tv.

[lvs2day]

yes i remember this well and have this on dvd and it could be that the pool interview with E.P. is highly unlikely, but again you never know what E.P.E. are sitting on , the interview with vernon was done by a news crew from seattle i believe.

[Getlo]

This pool footage does not exist.

This rumour is perpetuated by the likes of Christian and other collectors who swear up and down that they have either seen it, or know a collector who has it ("It's in private hands" is a popular refrain).

It's total BS, without a shred of credibility.

[Elvislives72]

This pool footage does not exist.

This rumour is perpetuated by the likes of Christian and other collectors who swear up and down that they have either seen it, or know a collector who has it ("It's in private hands" is a popular refrain).

It's total BS, without a shred of credibility.


Now unless you were there or have been through EPE's files you have no idea or proof of what does or does not exist. I'm not naive but all of these posters saying what did or didn't happen on 8-16-77 or what was shot and not shot in 77 are just speculating unless they were actually there and I'm pretty sure that noone here was.:nono: We are all just fans not insiders from the past in Elvis' life. Although some like to believe that they were.:rolleyes:

[KPM]

Now unless you were there or have been through EPE's files you have no idea or proof of what does or does not exist. I'm not naive but all of these posters saying what did or didn't happen on 8-16-77 or what was shot and not shot in 77 are just speculating unless they were actually there and I'm pretty sure that noone here was.:nono: We are all just fans not insiders from the past in Elvis' life. Although some like to believe that they were.:rolleyes:
Absolutely-but if you listen to people who were there in interviews, and you read enough books describing the same events over and over-you get a picture of the basic events as they happened. Sure some of the details are not exactly the same but you can get a pretty good idea of the situations which happened. None of us were there when Lincoln was shot-but we all know where it happened, by whom it was done, and that he died. There are very detailed accounts (from varying sources) which give much more specific information on Lincolns assassination and the events leading up to it.
Its the same with any event in history-you are not there but you learn about them in the same way- read books, listen to people who were involved and you learn.

[Elvislives72]

Absolutely-but if you listen to people who were there in interviews, and you read enough books describing the same events over and over-you get a picture of the basic events as they happened. Sure some of the details are not exactly the same but you can get a pretty good idea of the situations which happened. None of us were there when Lincoln was shot-but we all know where it happened, by whom it was done, and that he died. There are very detailed accounts (from varying sources) which give much more specific information on Lincolns assassination and the events leading up to it. Its the same with any event in history-you are not there but you learn about them in the same way read books, listen to people who were involved and you learn.

Read my latest post under Joyce Bova thread.

The Lincoln thing is so much differnet as so many witnesses were there at the theater and saw him get shot and die. But the same cannot be said for Elvis accept for those who worked for him were close to him. They would be led to lie for him before the general public would about Lincoln.

Also, books are known to lie and stretch the truth as well.

[KPM]

Read my latest post under Joyce Bova thread.

The Lincoln thing is so much differnet as so many witnesses were there at the theater and saw him get shot and die. But the same cannot be said for Elvis accept for those who worked for him were close to him. They would be led to lie for him before the general public would about Lincoln.

Also, books are known to lie and stretch the truth as well.
Friend I agree-people stretch the truth, and also out and out lie.
But to say that "everyone involved" on 8-16-77 is lying or deceiving the public, the government and above all Lisa-is a huge stretch in itself.
Doctors, ambulance drivers, nurses (including the very honest and sincere Marion Cocke) morgue workers, news reporters-funeral home which prepared Elvis's body all would have to be in on it-huge stretch. Take a look at the news coverage from the day Elvis died-you can see the raw emotion and shock in the faces of people who were there the pain of losing someone they loved-you can not fake that IMO.

[Elvislives72]

Friend I agree-people stretch the truth, and also out and out lie.
But to say that "everyone involved" on 8-16-77 is lying or deceiving the public, the government and above all Lisa-is a huge stretch in itself.
Doctors, ambulance drivers, nurses (including the very honest and sincere Marion Cocke) morgue workers, news reporters-funeral home which prepared Elvis's body all would have to be in on it-huge stretch. Take a look at the news coverage from the day Elvis died-you can see the raw emotion and shock in the faces of people who were there the pain of losing someone they loved-you can not fake that IMO.
I know what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. However we can't always go by what we hear or are told to believe but what we see with our own eyes or know as 100% guaranteed fact. Elvis dying on 8-16-77 is not a 100% guarnateed proven fact, yet, no matter how much we wanna spin and twist it. It's what we the public have been told by those who tell it to be the gospel. Nor is he 100% proven alive either.

IMO, I do believe he's dead only because it's been 31 years and counting and I can't see someone as big and loved worldwide as Elvis putting the fans and people he loved (like Lisa) through that type of hurt and pain. He would be a complete carless jerk to do that unless he was forced by FBI. Which I doubt is the case as well.

[KPM]

I know what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. However we can't always go by what we hear or are told to believe but what we see with our own eyes or know as 100% guaranteed fact. Elvis dying on 8-16-77 is not a 100% guarnateed proven fact, yet, no matter how much we wanna spin and twist it. It's what we the public have been told by those who tell it to be the gospel. Nor is he 100% proven alive either.

IMO, I do believe he's dead only because it's been 31 years and counting and I can't see someone as big and loved worldwide as Elvis putting the fans and people he loved (like Lisa) through that type of hurt and pain. He would be a complete carless jerk to do that unless he was forced by FBI. Which I doubt is the case as well.
Elvis never testified in court on any case which the FBI was involved in, he never gave a sworn deposition to any court concerning some illegal activity by the mob or a drug king pin and the FBI can not force anyone who has testified into a witness protection program-they can offer the program but its up to the individual involved to decide to take the offer or not.
I am not sure what Elvis is suppose to have witnessed which would warrant his faking his death at the FBIs advice.

[Elvislives72]

Elvis never testified in court on any case which the FBI was involved in, he never gave a sworn deposition to any court concerning some illegal activity by the mob or a drug king pin and the FBI can not force anyone who has testified into a witness protection program-they can offer the program but its up to the individual involved to decide to take the offer or not.
I am not sure what Elvis is suppose to have witnessed which would warrant his faking his death at the FBIs advice.

I never said he did testify. I was simply using the FBI comment as an example of an alternative to having a good reason to pull off such an act or stunt.

[KPM]

I never said he did testify. I was simply using the FBI comment as an example of an alternative to having a good reason to pull off such an act or stunt.
I understood what you meant, but since this is brought up so much in these type discussions idea of the "Witness Protection Theory" I just wanted to comment on that idea.
The obvious question to me is- When, where, and about whom did he ever give any type of testimony which would have to have happened in order for the idea of him entering the Witness Protection Program?
So since there is no record of this happening, it seems pretty evident that it never happened.
People who testify in such cases are known to the individuals involved and there is a record of such testimony. If it was a sealed testimony-still the people involved are generally known. The cases against drug lords and mob crime figures are high profile and there is no hint that Elvis was ever remotely involved in such a case. Had he been-he would have surely not toured in 77 (possibly 76 also)-and if he did FBI types would have been with him to protect a star witness. There were no FBI types on these tours-usual security was in place.
Its just another example IMO of not logically thinking some of these theorys thru. But I meant nothing personal to you-it was the FBI/Protection theory I was speaking of.

[stefankoch]

Absolutely-but if you listen to people who were there in interviews, and you read enough books describing the same events over and over-you get a picture of the basic events as they happened. Sure some of the details are not exactly the same but you can get a pretty good idea of the situations which happened. None of us were there when Lincoln was shot-but we all know where it happened, by whom it was done, and that he died. There are very detailed accounts (from varying sources) which give much more specific information on Lincolns assassination and the events leading up to it.
Its the same with any event in history-you are not there but you learn about them in the same way- read books, listen to people who were involved and you learn.

Rule nr 1 : Dont believe everything you read.........

[Getlo]

Now unless you were there or have been through EPE's files you have no idea or proof of what does or does not exist. We are all just fans not insiders from the past in Elvis' life. Although some like to believe that they were.:rolleyes:

Wrong.

Had there been any pool footage, don't you think the producers of the show or anyone else associated with it would have mentioned it? And I can assure you, I have seen more files associated with Elvis than the average fan.

There is no pool footage. End of story.


Elvis dying on 8-16-77 is not a 100% guarnateed proven fact

Absolute rubbish.

Elvis is dead. It is proven beyond doubt. Those who believe he's still alive, or even hint at the possibility, are mentally challlenged, to say the least.

By your rationale, there's no absolute proof Kennedy is dead either, or John Lennon, Hitler etc ad infinitum.

[SatninLove]

This pool footage does not exist.

This rumour is perpetuated by the likes of Christian and other collectors who swear up and down that they have either seen it, or know a collector who has it ("It's in private hands" is a popular refrain).

It's total BS, without a shred of credibility.

maybe not....there is no proof it exists or does not exist....
-SatninLove

[SatninLove]

although if it is true about the footage,maybe one day it will come to the surface..would be very nice to see.
-SatninLove

[KPM]

Rule nr 1 : Dont believe everything you read.........
You know I tend to agree-but if you read the same similar stories from a varied group of people about any given situtation (regardless of what the subject is) you see the basic picture. Perhaps the picture is a little fuzzy on some details but you get the basic picture for any given chain of events.
Its 31 years since Elvis died-and the basic picture is clear. (to me anyway)
I am not unintelligent-I give the benefit of the doubt for things which are plausable. There is no scenario which has been postulated since 1977 which has held up to close scrutiny. Every claim I have ever heard or that has made someone money-has not even come close to being proven.
The stories of "Hes alive he faked his death" are like Swiss Cheese-you may like the taste but its full of holes and smells. Not one theory has ever lasted beyond the point of its initial bang-usually associated with some book to reap a financial gain. Elvis died-everyone dies, he just went much sooner than we all wanted. I have an aunt who wants so bad to find that he is still living-but she is dreaming, hoping for what she deep down knows is not possible. Catch her just right and she will admit it.

[Getlo]

maybe not....there is no proof it exists or does not exist....-SatninLove

I'll remember that quote next time someone prints a bad rumour about Elvis.

Did you know he slept with his mother Gladys in an incestual relationship? This claim was first hinted at by Dee Presley.

Remember, there's no proof that he did or didn't, so ... it's possible, right?;)

***

Wrong.

There is no pool footage. The interview was not filmed.

[utmom2008]

Remember, there's no proof that he did or didn't, so ... it's possible, right?;)



Everyone loves to use the catch phrase "there's no proof" when it suits their liking.;);):blink::lol:

[KPM]

Everyone loves to use the catch phrase "there's no proof" when it suits their liking.;);):blink::lol:
So true-its depends on the side of the coin you are promoting;):):):)