Did Priscilla try to change Elvis's image.

[MissyM]

Is she still trying to?

[ehollier]

Ummmm, I'll have to think about that and get back with you. My first thoughts aren't that she's trying to CHANGE his image, but rather protect it (you probably don't agree), but Elvis was also an intensely private person and she would want to keep some things out of the public eye and away from the media.

[fillaelvis]

No. Elvis was always a beautiful person and an angel. NOBODY can change that image. Not even Cilla!

[nyc]

I think Priscilla and EPE have been determined to move the focus from Elvis' last years to his life before 1973.

And maybe I have a different perspective on that, because I was born after Elvis died. To me, that's a good thing, because until recently there's been a disproportionate emphasis on Elvis as he was at the very end. The balance has shifted back to his career and life overall lately, and that's more fair to me.

[presley31]

elvis had his image long before priscilla was in the picture so no she didn't and couldn't not with the loyal fans around to set the record straight.

[MissyM]

Well she did like the Hollywood scene and he didn't.She pretty much was all about that when things went wrong with them and since. She liked to decorate in a fancy style. He may have let her but weather that was his taste is another thing. And she did change Graceland back to her taste saying it was his. Which I don't believe. Look at how pristine Graceland looks now?
The house on Circle G. was so modest and he was so happy there too.
He was never comfortable with Celebs and all that goes with it. She has always loved it and the lifestyle. Have you seen her linen collection. Very fancy smancy and expensive too.

[Donut]

Is she still trying to?

I think she's worked harder trying to change her own.

[presley31]

Well she did like the Hollywood scene and he didn't.She pretty much was all about that when things went wrong with them and since. She liked to decorate in a fancy style. He may have let her but weather that was his taste is another thing. And she did change Graceland back to her taste saying it was his. Which I don't believe. Look at how pristine Graceland looks now?The house on Circle G. was so modest and he was so happy there too.
He was never comfortable with Celebs and all that goes with it. She has always loved it and the lifestyle. Have you seen her linen collection. Very fancy smancy and expensive too.

There will never any true anwers to that question, but i did hear from lots of other people that elvis didn't like the red and he used the back door at gracland so he didn't have to see all that red and l for one thinks graceland is beauiful with the colours and its looks like the kings home.

Aunt Delta is supposed to have said: “Elvis didn’t really like all the red that was put in, and he started to use the back stairs so he would not have to look at it.”

source:http://www.elvisnews.com/Presentation/Functional/Page/articles.aspx?command=show&item=1189

[4THEHEART]

Elvis's as the real person and the entertainer, doesn't need any kind of alteration,specially coming from his ex-wife:rolleyes:..as for the image,I don't care images but the people themselves..;)

[Diane]

I agree with Donut. In a way I do think Priscilla is still trying to change Elvis' image. She's worked so hard over the years making herself out to be a victim so what does that make Elvis??;)(n)

Diane

[presley31]

I disgree diane. I don't think pris tryed to change elvis image at all, but tryed to chang her own

[MissyM]

P31, I don't know who the person writing the article from got their info from. Sounds like a rumor. If he didn't like it he would have said so to someone. The only person I know of that has ever said so is Priscilla. That alone makes me wonder. And actually, considering Elvis's background, I'd guess he liked it fine. but that's a guess.

[Unique Dog]

Change? No. Protect.

I`ve also heard that Elvis disliked the red so much that he began using the back door.

[utmom2008]

I think she's worked harder trying to change her own.


I agree with Donut. In a way I do think Priscilla is still trying to change Elvis' image. She's worked so hard over the years making herself out to be a victim so what does that make Elvis??;)(n)
Diane

Very well said ladies!(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[presley31]

P31, I don't know who the person writing the article from got their info from. Sounds like a rumor. If he didn't like it he would have said so to someone. The only person I know of that has ever said so is Priscilla. That alone makes me wonder. And actually, considering Elvis's background, I'd guess he liked it fine. but that's a guess.

what do you expect from a message board Missy the 100% turth? I would love to know how someone could change somebody else's image when that person had it from the start?:huh:

[MissyM]

For one my question was if she tried not if she did, and if she is trying. No I don't expect 100 percent and appreciate any source one provides. Depending on how well we know the source, I think most will decide how credible it is.

[Unchained Melody]

No. Elvis was always a beautiful person and an angel. NOBODY can change that image. Not even Cilla!

To bad we can't say the same for the individiual in your avator :P;)

[Unchained Melody]

Well she did like the Hollywood scene and he didn't.She pretty much was all about that when things went wrong with them and since. She liked to decorate in a fancy style. He may have let her but weather that was his taste is another thing. And she did change Graceland back to her taste saying it was his. Which I don't believe. Look at how pristine Graceland looks now?
The house on Circle G. was so modest and he was so happy there too.
He was never comfortable with Celebs and all that goes with it. She has always loved it and the lifestyle. Have you seen her linen collection. Very fancy smancy and expensive too.

Exactly Missy. I do believe she tried to change him into that something he wasn't..he liked the lifestyle he had and like you said didn't like the hollywood scene etc. I don't see what gave her the right to redecorate Graceland if my ex wife if that happens ever did such a thing i swear I would haunt the living heck out of her.:lmfao::lmfao:
Hopefully i won't ever go through that though:doh:

[mistymorning]

No. Elvis was always a beautiful person and an angel. NOBODY can change that image. Not even Cilla!

what a beautiful answer . He was/is/will be a beautiful person forever.

[Unchained Melody]

what a beautiful answer . He /is/will be a beautiful person forever.

After being dead for 31 years, I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

[MissyM]

How many celeb parties did HE go to???? How many do you think she has been too? How many of the in spots in Hollywood has she dined at. How many do you think he frequented? She even said if he had gotten into Scientology that it prob. would have saved him. Sorry but I do think she wanted to change him into a Hollywood hot shot with all the trimmings. I think Elvis was perfectly happy being who he was. Sure he had some flash and flare, but heck he was like that as a teen. That was his style, not his lifestyle. Look at the guys she lived with. He dated some Hollywood women but live with them..no. I look at the pix of Graceland now and it just seems so fussy and fancy. I tell you what, had his mom lived, it sure as heck would have never looked like that.

[TotallyInsane]

How many restaurants do you think he could have frequented anywhere???

[Brian]

How many celeb parties did HE go to???? How many do you think she has been too? How many of the in spots in Hollywood has she dined at. How many do you think he frequented? She even said if he had gotten into Scientology that it prob. would have saved him. Sorry but I do think she wanted to change him into a Hollywood hot shot with all the trimmings. I think Elvis was perfectly happy being who he was. Sure he had some flash and flare, but heck he was like that as a teen. That was his style, not his lifestyle. Look at the guys she lived with. He dated some Hollywood women but live with them..no. I look at the pix of Graceland now and it just seems so fussy and fancy. I tell you what, had his mom lived, it sure as heck would have never looked like that.


Hi MissyM

your right

that's complete crap about Elvis getting into scientology I heard Priscilla mention that a couple of times that goes to show you there are some things she didn't know about Elvis. Priscilla and Lisa definately enjoy the hollywood lifestyle more than Elvis did.

[Unchained Melody]

How many celeb parties did HE go to???? How many do you think she has been too? How many of the in spots in Hollywood has she dined at. How many do you think he frequented? She even said if he had gotten into Scientology that it prob. would have saved him. Sorry but I do think she wanted to change him into a Hollywood hot shot with all the trimmings. I think Elvis was perfectly happy being who he was. Sure he had some flash and flare, but heck he was like that as a teen. That was his style, not his lifestyle. Look at the guys she lived with. He dated some Hollywood women but live with them..no. I look at the pix of Graceland now and it just seems so fussy and fancy. I tell you what, had his mom lived, it sure as heck would have never looked like that.

Well said!!

[tony70]

I dont think anyone could or can change Elvis. The thing is that person that they try to change ,that person would have to want to change , the only person to make you change would be yourself I know it's deep i'll stop :D

[Unchained Melody]

I dont think anyone could or can change Elvis. The thing is that person that they try to change ,that person would have to want to change , the only person to make you change would be yourself I know it's deep i'll stop :D

And thats obvious, he wasn't going to change for anyone when she left him.

[MissyM]

Does anyone know how many of his movie premiers he attended? Did he actually go to them. Gee, this leaves my mind. I don't remember any pictures of him at one.

[Unchained Melody]

Does anyone know how many of his movie premiers he attended? Did he actually go to them. Gee, this leaves my mind. I don't remember any pictures of him at one.


That is a good question Missy if any photo's are out there I would love to see them.:D

[MissyM]

Yeh, wouldn't you think there would be lots. Maybe he didn't like going to them??????? I've always wondered about that??

[Unchained Melody]

Yeh, wouldn't you think there would be lots. Maybe he didn't like going to them??????? I've always wondered about that??

From what the MM have said he didn't like watching his own movies, or listening to his own music etc...

[shelley.m.]

Elvis had his only style! I don't think Priscilla had anything to do with so-called trying to change Elvis' image at all.

[Brian]

I don't think Priscilla tried to change Elvis image she and the other people at the estate for years and years focused more on the 50's Elvis as opposed to the 70's Elvis though.

[Getlo]

Is she still trying to?

I ... I'm just ...

... words fail me.

In a word:

YES!

[Unchained Melody]

I ... I'm just ...

... words fail me.

In a word:

YES!

Not much hesitation there :lmfao:

[Wendy56]

I think she's worked harder trying to change her own.
I couldn't agree more... *sigh*

[Wendy56]

And about Elvis image... I remember when Priscilla said that EPE was gonna be against Elvii that do a fat and mean version of 70s Elvis. Is all I know.
Anyway, Elvis has not a bad image... The bad image is in the EPE (high prices, etc). :hmm:

[mistymorning]

After being dead for 31 years, I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

Death can never destroy the beauty. He is beautiful through the eyes of love. he is beautiful because he had a beautiful soul , a beautiful heart . the beauty of the face and body is just a shell. ( although he had both of them ) when you think of elvis , how do you see him ?! I'm sure a beautiful image comes to your mind ! then he is beautiful in your mind, in my mind, in our minds. no one and nothing can ruin the beauty of our man.

[riley]

Mistymorning,
so beautiful said and so true(y):notworthy:notworthy

[mistymorning]

Thanx alot my dear friend. you are wonderful Riley !
I think this song of Joshua Kadison is just suitable for the king:

You are my peace of mind in this crazy world
you are everything I've tried to find, your love is a pearl
you are my rainbow skies
and my only prayer is that you realize
you'll always be beautiful in my eyes
The world will turn and the seasons will change
and all the lessons we will learn
will be beautiful and strange
We'll have our fill of tears , our share of sighs
my only prayer is that you realize
you'll always be beautiful in my eyes.

I think this man's popularity , fame and success is a Gift from God
And when God wants someone to be loved , no one and nothing can alter his fate. I think this has been proven through the years about the king...........

[Unique Dog]

How many celeb parties did HE go to???? How many do you think she has been too? How many of the in spots in Hollywood has she dined at. How many do you think he frequented? She even said if he had gotten into Scientology that it prob. would have saved him. Sorry but I do think she wanted to change him into a Hollywood hot shot with all the trimmings. I think Elvis was perfectly happy being who he was. Sure he had some flash and flare, but heck he was like that as a teen. That was his style, not his lifestyle. Look at the guys she lived with. He dated some Hollywood women but live with them..no. I look at the pix of Graceland now and it just seems so fussy and fancy. I tell you what, had his mom lived, it sure as heck would have never looked like that.



Graceland looks as it did the majority of his life spent there. If the sickening red carpet and drapes were brought back........that would be Linda`s Graceland, not Elvis`.

[LianaKaralivanou]

I don't think she could even if she tried to.

[Diane]

I read somewhere that it was Linda who changed the decor of Graceland to red while Elvis was away and he was not happy but didn't insist that it be changed back.

I don't know how authentic to the original blue it is now. Did Priscilla change that too? Anyone have pictures on how it really looked like before the red? I have a few but they really don't show enough to be certain.

What I'd really be interested in is seeing how it was when Gladys was still there.

Diane

[Donut]

He probably changed it more than once. It was red and white during the 60's too.

[presley31]

He probably changed it more than once. It was red and white during the 60's too.

Wasn't it christmas time theses pictures were taken? i know he liked red for christmas.

[LianaKaralivanou]

I thought I'd post these pictures with the gold curtains!

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[Donut]

Wasn't it christmas time theses pictures were taken? i know he liked red for christmas.

No idea, but he surely liked it red.

[presley31]

No idea, but he surely liked it red.

maybe the curtains donut but not everything;)

[MissyM]

Oh wait, apparently Elvis did like Red!!! Shock! LOL The house was bought in 1957. When Dee tried to change things her butt ended up out of the house. He didn't want it changed from the way his mother had it. Do you think Priscilla left it that way? No she changed to the Blue (at some point after they married, and then Linda changed it back to the Red, then Cilla back to the blue. So from 1957 till after 1967 it was the way Gladys had it. Do the math, that would be 10 years. Elvis and Cilla were in it for about 5 years. I'd say there was the Gladys era (the longest) The Cilla era, and then the Linda era.

[Donut]

maybe the curtains donut but not everything;)

LOL no P it was white too :P

[presley31]

Graceland looks as it did the majority of his life spent there. If the sickening red carpet and drapes were brought back........that would be Linda`s Graceland, not Elvis`.

this is what l keep hearing too and yep all that red was not very nice to look at either(n)

[MojoElvis]

I'm not sure if this question is meant for his personal life or public. His personal life we know nothing about but the public life and her and whatever marketing team they had where promoting him, when she was running EPE it showed some signs of her wanting to change him and rewrite history.
It's obvious the way she changed Graceland's look. When he died the living room was red, if it was "gaudy" that was a matter of opinion but it still was the way Elvis liked it. When I see it now, it reminds me more of the Movie era when she was living there.
Also, when they first opened Graceland, they had nothing but photos of Elvis from the 50's everywhere you looked. Maybe a few fromTTWII. Then when the 70's look came back, they had tons of early 70's photos. They act like his life ended at the Aloha concert. He was a very good looking man and you'll find photos of him in 1977 where he looked handsome. Why ignore Elvis' later years.

[presley31]

LOL no P it was white too :P

here is another picture in the 60's


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/Backstrom2003/elvis-piano.jpg

[MojoElvis]

here is another picture in the 60's


http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/Backstrom2003/elvis-piano.jpg

That's what I mean, that's Graceland's look now. That picture looks like it was taken in 1963.

[presley31]

does anybody have any colour shots of gracland when glady was there cause there mostly black and white so it hards to see the colour

[fillaelvis]

Thanx alot my dear friend. you are wonderful Riley !
I think this song of Joshua Kadison is just suitable for the king:

You are my peace of mind in this crazy world
you are everything I've tried to find, your love is a pearl
you are my rainbow skies
and my only prayer is that you realize
you'll always be beautiful in my eyes
The world will turn and the seasons will change
and all the lessons we will learn
will be beautiful and strange
We'll have our fill of tears , our share of sighs
my only prayer is that you realize
you'll always be beautiful in my eyes.

I think this man's popularity , fame and success is a Gift from God
And when God wants someone to be loved , no one and nothing can alter his fate. I think this has been proven through the years about the king...........

That was really beautiful, Misty. I cried , when i read that. Yes, Elvis was indeed beautiful both in heart and mind. I dont understand why anybody wants to ruin that. We miss him so much!

[ehollier]

I was at Graceland in July and in one of the book stores, I found some color pictures of the inside of Graceland and everything (even the drapes) were vanilla/cream. I might note that I've never seen these pictures before in any other books.

There was no color on the walls or windows in the dining room, living room or music room. If I had to guess a date, I would date the picture at mid-60's by the appearance of Elvis and Priscilla. In Peter Guranlick's book, he says that in the 50's, Elvis decorated in blues b/c he liked that color. I don't recall ever reading about anything being vanilla/white.

[ehollier]

As far as Priscilla trying to change Elvis' image, I would say that she has tried to focus on his most postive years rather than the last few that have been written about as being the 'drug years'. Unfortunately, these last years in concert are the most imatated by those tribute artists. For me (THIS IS STRICTLY PESONAL), I prefer to watch and listen to Elvis in those earlier years for reasons that may not be understood, but makes me no less of a fan.

But to answer the question of whether Priscilla tried to change his image, I believe that she has only tried to shift the focus from his last years (since they were only a very small portion of his extremely full life which are remembered and written about in a more negative way) to his happier days, less negatively remembered years.

[Unique Dog]

He probably changed it more than once. It was red and white during the 60's too.

Graceland was decorated in the blue decor during the entire 1960s. The decor was red during the Christmas holidays at that time, which is when the photo above was taken.

[Unique Dog]

does anybody have any colour shots of gracland when glady was there cause there mostly black and white so it hards to see the colour

Yes, I do but I`ll have to search for them.

[Donut]

Graceland was decorated in the blue decor during the entire 1960s. The decor was red during the Christmas holidays at that time, which is when the photo above was taken.

Could be. It was red during some christmas home footage in the late 60's and in the pictures of late 71 with Elvis holding a rifle in it.

[Unique Dog]

Could be. It was red during some christmas home footage in the late 60's and in the pictures of late 71 with Elvis holding a rifle in it.


Yes...it was red only during the Christmas holidays in the 60s and 70s...until Linda redocrated with that gawky red look and he had to look at it all year long.

[fillaelvis]

Yes, Elvis would never have chosen red. His favorite-color was blue. Like his beautiful eyes.

[Donut]

Yes...it was red only during the Christmas holidays in the 60s and 70s...until Linda redocrated with that gawky red look and he had to look at it all year long.

Well I'm not so sure of your last comment basically because he had the money to change it whenever he wanted but we'll never know.

[fillaelvis]

Its blue now, and it was never his choice. But i guess he would like it. It was red when he died.

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis obviously liked the red seeing as how thats how Graceland was decorated the most. Of course Priscilla going to go change it how she likes and wanted it to be.

[The King's Queen]

Pris is going to have it her way and only her way...nothing new about that, now is there??? She tried to change him while she was with him...it didn't work. And she has tried, since his death, to create this image (especially of her life with him) that she can live with and be proud of in some way. A fairytale of sorts, if you will. Do I buy that??? NO! But some do. Is she still trying to paint a picture of Elvis that suits her taste(s) more...You bet your bippy!

[Unique Dog]

Elvis obviously liked the red seeing as how thats how Graceland was decorated the most. Of course Priscilla going to go change it how she likes and wanted it to be.


No, it was NOT decorated in red most. It was done in the blue color scheme for the majority of his life. It was decorated in red at Christmas and Linda redid the whole thing in red. He didn`t like the red color theme but probably lacked the motivation to change it.

[presley31]

No, it was NOT decorated in red most. It was done in the blue color scheme for the majority of his life. It was decorated in red at Christmas and Linda redid the whole thing in red. He didn`t like the red color theme but probably lacked the motivation to change it.

I agree (y)(y)

[The King's Queen]

No, it was NOT decorated in red most. It was done in the blue color scheme for the majority of his life. It was decorated in red at Christmas and Linda redid the whole thing in red. He didn`t like the red color theme but probably lacked the motivation to change it.

I don't think Elvis had to get motivated to do anything...he just had to say the word and it was done.

[Getlo]

Yes, Elvis would never have chosen red.

Guess, he was colour-blind then, seeing as how it was red the last few years of his life.

[Donut]

Elvis wasn't known for the simplicity of his outfit and his good taste combining colors to be frank even though he wore them like no one else so I see the late red Graceland very Elvis...

[The King's Queen]

Elvis wasn't known for the simplicity of his outfit and his good taste combining colors to be frank even though he wore them like no one else so I see the late red Graceland very Elvis...

Good point Donut! (y) Red is often referred to a flashy color....and flashy was a term used many times to describe Elvis as well. So who knows....;)

[presley31]

IMo we will never know how elvis felt about red graceland, nor does it matter cause its done and changed. maybe he did and maybe he didn't like gracland that colour, but we just have to agree and disgree cause nobody here has the 100% turth about it.

[Getlo]

Look, Elvis may have very well disliked red.

But the fact is, if he didn't like the "W-horehouse" Red colour scheme, he would have told Linda or someone to change it.

Even as drug-addled and bored as he was at the end, he wouldn't have simply lived with the colour scheme all the while hating it.

There was a lot of time between when Linda left and Elvis died.

[presley31]

Look, Elvis may have very well disliked red.

But the fact is, if he didn't like the "W-horehouse" Red colour scheme, he would have told Linda or someone to change it.

Even as drug-addled and bored as he was at the end, he wouldn't have simply lived with the colour scheme all the while hating it.

There was a lot of time between when Linda left and Elvis died.

this is where we agree and disgree ;)

[The King's Queen]

Look, Elvis may have very well disliked red.

But the fact is, if he didn't like the "W-horehouse" Red colour scheme, he would have told Linda or someone to change it.

Even as drug-addled and bored as he was at the end, he wouldn't have simply lived with the colour scheme all the while hating it.

There was a lot of time between when Linda left and Elvis died.

That is what I'm thinking Getlo....(y)

[Diane]

If it's true what I read and that Elvis didn't like the red he must have either decided that it was good enough to live with because if he'd been that against it, he would have had it changed.

Diane

[Getlo]

this is where we agree and disgree ;)

Big surprise ... :rolleyes:

[MissyM]

Obviously Elvis didn't care enough to bother and left (most)of it up to the women in his life. It seems he allowed them to have fun with it. None the less it was his decision to do so. It was his home to have whomever HE choose to have at it.
The statement by only Priscilla that "Elvis liked it best the way she did it." is simply not correct and a way of her elevating (as usual) her status as Matriarch of Graceland. But if you think for one minute he preferred what she did over his mother's...think again. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out he's never said anything about his mothers style which was in it longer/longest than any other women's. He prob. loved it and told her so!!
I am reminded of many other things Cilla has taken credit for which were not true. Let's see if others can remember?
Priscilla wanted Elvis to be something he was not. He was a country boy, a rancher (of sorts),a man with southern religious roots, he choose friends that were not celebs, he didn't care what people thought of his family and friends and told them so, he had houses near where he worked for convience sake (not to be assimilated into the wealthy kind who lived there), and yet she has done and become the exact opposite.
Common sense tells me that this is what she wanted for both of them at one point. Common sense tell me it caused a serious problem.

[nyc]

Priscilla wanted Elvis to be something he was not. He was a country boy, a rancher (of sorts),a man with southern religious roots, he choose friends that were not celebs, he didn't care what people thought of his family and friends and told them so, he had houses near where he worked for convience sake (not to be assimilated into the wealthy kind who lived there), and yet she has done and become the exact opposite.
Common sense tells me that this is what she wanted for both of them at one point. Common sense tell me it caused a serious problem.

I'm not sure what exactly we're supposed to be debating here. I'm not a fan of Priscilla, but she's admitted herself things she tried to change about Elvis - she wanted the entourage gone, she wanted him to control his spending habits, she had no use for his interest in religious/spiritual matters, and so on.

And on the flip side, Elvis wanted a stay at home wife, which wasn't what Priscilla wanted to be. They also were on different pages regarding children (Elvis seemed happier about being a father than Priscilla did about being a mother).

If they'd been content with each other, the marriage wouldn't have ended in a divorce.

I don't see how that's changing Elvis' image, which IMO is how the public perceives him.

If we're talking about the marketing of Elvis since he died, then yes, I think Priscilla/EPE has been determined to focus on Elvis before 1973. And I'm fine with that, because I think there's been way too much emphasis on Elvis at the end in the media and among the general public.

[The King's Queen]

Obviously Elvis didn't care enough to bother and left (most)of it up to the women in his life. It seems he allowed them to have fun with it. None the less it was his decision to do so. It was his home to have whomever HE choose to have at it.
The statement by only Priscilla that "Elvis liked it best the way she did it." is simply not correct and a way of her elevating (as usual) her status as Matriarch of Graceland. But if you think for one minute he preferred what she did over his mother's...think again. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out he's never said anything about his mothers style which was in it longer/longest than any other women's. He prob. loved it and told her so!!
I am reminded of many other things Cilla has taken credit for which were not true. Let's see if others can remember?
Priscilla wanted Elvis to be something he was not. He was a country boy, a rancher (of sorts),a man with southern religious roots, he choose friends that were not celebs, he didn't care what people thought of his family and friends and told them so, he had houses near where he worked for convience sake (not to be assimilated into the wealthy kind who lived there), and yet she has done and become the exact opposite.
Common sense tells me that this is what she wanted for both of them at one point. Common sense tell me it caused a serious problem.

BRAVO Missy...BRAVO! :notworthy And common sense tells me also that while she was, indeed, climbing the social ladder, she was quite content to stumble over her husband and child to attain the status quo she obviously desired. Elvis wanted a woman likened unto his Mother...how many of us truthfully believe that he kept that a secret during their dating relationship???? :doh: She knew what he desired in a woman...what his idea of the "perfect" woman, per say, was. Isn't it amazing how two little words...."I do"....can change a situation? :supriced::hmm:

[Unique Dog]

The statement by only Priscilla that "Elvis liked it best the way she did it." is simply not correct and a way of her elevating (as usual) her status as Matriarch of Graceland.

Common sense tells me that this is what she wanted for both of them at one point. Common sense tell me it caused a serious problem.


I`ve heard Priscilla say in several interviews that Graceland is as it was 18 of the 20 years he lived there. Based on what I know, this is correct.

Personal matters, such as stating that Priscilla wanted something different for Elvis, isn`t answering the "did she try to change his image" question..... Neither is the interior of Graceland for that matter.

[utmom2008]

Obviously Elvis didn't care enough to bother and left (most)of it up to the women in his life. It seems he allowed them to have fun with it. None the less it was his decision to do so. It was his home to have whomever HE choose to have at it.
The statement by only Priscilla that "Elvis liked it best the way she did it." is simply not correct and a way of her elevating (as usual) her status as Matriarch of Graceland. But if you think for one minute he preferred what she did over his mother's...think again. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out he's never said anything about his mothers style which was in it longer/longest than any other women's. He prob. loved it and told her so!!
I am reminded of many other things Cilla has taken credit for which were not true. Let's see if others can remember?
Priscilla wanted Elvis to be something he was not. He was a country boy, a rancher (of sorts),a man with southern religious roots, he choose friends that were not celebs, he didn't care what people thought of his family and friends and told them so, he had houses near where he worked for convience sake (not to be assimilated into the wealthy kind who lived there), and yet she has done and become the exact opposite.
Common sense tells me that this is what she wanted for both of them at one point. Common sense tell me it caused a serious problem.

Careful Missy....some may see this as starting nasty rumors about Priscilla!!:supriced::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[presley31]

I`ve heard Priscilla say in several interviews that Graceland is as it was 18 of the 20 years he lived there. Based on what I know, this is correct.

Personal matters, such as stating that Priscilla wanted something different for Elvis, isn`t answering the "did she try to change his image" question..... Neither is the interior of Graceland for that matter.

well said and great post(y)(y)

[MissyM]

You can not argue with numbers. 1957-1967 equals 10 years. 1967-1977 equals 10 years. (not sure the exact date she redid it) Now take some years off the last 10ys that Linda did it and thereafter. She's a liar if she said it. The numbers proove it.

[MissyM]

Utmom, well slap my Grandma, what was I thinking!

[Unique Dog]

You can not argue with numbers. 1957-1967 equals 10 years. 1967-1977 equals 10 years. (not sure the exact date she redid it) Now take some years off the last 10ys that Linda did it and thereafter. She's a liar if she said it. The numbers proove it.

I`m not arguing the numbers. Priscilla didn`t change the color scheme of Graceland. Linda did.

[franny]

I`m not arguing the numbers. Priscilla didn`t change the color scheme of Graceland. Linda did.

You're right, Unique Dog. (y) It's just some like to blame Priscilla for everything! :supriced: :lol: :P :blink:

I would also like to know how Priscilla changed Elvis' already established image :hmm:

franny

[presley31]

You're right, Unique Dog. (y) It's just some like to blame Priscilla for everything! :supriced: :lol: :P :blink:

I would also like to know how Priscilla changed Elvis' already established image :hmm:

franny

good post franny(y)(y)

[beckelvis]

ELVIS already tape-worn,an image,and nobody was going to change,in any case exchange she it for that is what really I spend pass.

[MissyM]

I didn't ask, if she did, I asked if she tried, if she wanted to. Oh sure Graceland (now) looks exactly like it did when Gladys lived there. Ok then.

[presley31]

I didn't ask, if she did, I asked if she tried, if she wanted to. Oh sure Graceland (now) looks exactly like it did when Gladys lived there. Ok then.

There is no information on priscilla touching graceland at all till elvis death then she changed it back to what it was when she lived there which must of been gladys taste cause the only thing priscila got done was her bathroom.

[MissyM]

Think again.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1993-07-28/news/the-king-and-iif-graceland-is-rotten-to-decor-don-t-blame-it-on-elvis-former-decorator-george-golden/1

[TotallyInsane]

Not sure why Elvis himself didn't change it to the way Gladys had it???

[nyc]

Think again.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1993-...eorge-golden/1

I don't see where Priscilla making changes is discussed in that article - although admittedly I went through it quickly, because I found the snotty, condescending tone annoying as hell.

The full of himself decorator talks about changes like the Jungle Room, etc.

But maybe I missed the part about Priscilla changing the decor when she lived there.

[Unique Dog]

I found this articlce very condenscending toward Elvis and his parents and found nothing to suggest that Priscilla redecorated. In fact, did you read page two where he said that Graceland looks pretty much the same as it did all those years ago??

[SatninLove]

No I deffinantly think she's not changing it...She's trying to protect it Elvis and his memory,legacy,image.....I deffinantly agree with the not letting people focus on last years rule...There are so many people out there trying to distroy his image (like little maggots),and legacy,and they will deffiantly thrive at the chance to do so....So I think Cilla is just trying to protect him in the best way she knows how...and I think she's doing an excellent job!
-SatninLove

[ehollier]

"Things kept changing and people remember things differently. Someone who was there for a few weeks in 1957 has a far different perception than someone who was there for two weeks in 1964 or 1972." says Todd Morgan

I think this speaks volumes here, MissyM. I really can't find where this article says that Priscilla changed Graceland. Also, Peter G's book has information provided by this same decorator, but without the attitude and contempt. According to Peter G., Graceland was decorated in blues and purple hues in 1957. While Elvis wanted darker colors, Gladys won out with lighter colors of blue and lavender.

Additionally, Peter goes on to say that during the 60's after the meditation garden was installed, Lacker's brother also did some redecorating inside Graceland, at Elvis' request.

[Unchained Melody]

Not sure why Elvis himself didn't change it to the way Gladys had it???

That is what I wonder aswell.....but imo I think graceland should've been left alone the way it was when elvis died.

[suspicious_mind]

No. I dont think shes trying/tried to change his image - that would mean less money for her.

[MissyM]

I didn't find the article that bad. But I'm not sure how this part was missed in it. It says only 20 percent of his work can be seen today. That would mean that 80 is not the same as before. He said the living room and dining room are the two rooms that are mostly the same. Therefore the statement that what it is now, is what it was for 20 years (by Cilla) is not correct. Plain and simple. Easy to say since there are few pictures of the Pre-Cilla era. What? You think she lived there and didn't have a hand in redecorating it???

"As Golden is quick to point out, the Graceland of 1977 (the year Elvis died, thereby "freezing" the manor in time) is not the Graceland of 1957. "Lord, no!" gasps the decorator, who estimates that 20 percent of his work can be seen in the house today.

[presley31]

I didn't find the article that bad. But I'm not sure how this part was missed in it. It says only 20 percent of his work can be seen today. That would mean that 80 is not the same as before. He said the living room and dining room are the two rooms that are mostly the same. Therefore the statement that what it is now, is what it was for 20 years (by Cilla) is not correct. Plain and simple. Easy to say since there are few pictures of the Pre-Cilla era. What? You think she lived there and didn't have a hand in redecorating it???

"As Golden is quick to point out, the Graceland of 1977 (the year Elvis died, thereby "freezing" the manor in time) is not the Graceland of 1957. "Lord, no!" gasps the decorator, who estimates that 20 percent of his work can be seen in the house today.

whats the big deal about this?? There is no wrongs and rights so just accept it and move.

[ehollier]

I didn't find the article that bad. But I'm not sure how this part was missed in it. It says only 20 percent of his work can be seen today. That would mean that 80 is not the same as before. He said the living room and dining room are the two rooms that are mostly the same. Therefore the statement that what it is now, is what it was for 20 years (by Cilla) is not correct. Plain and simple. Easy to say since there are few pictures of the Pre-Cilla era. What? You think she lived there and didn't have a hand in redecorating it???

"As Golden is quick to point out, the Graceland of 1977 (the year Elvis died, thereby "freezing" the manor in time) is not the Graceland of 1957. "Lord, no!" gasps the decorator, who estimates that 20 percent of his work can be seen in the house today.

Elvis did have some renovations done in the mid-60's. He hired a relative of Marty Lacker to do these renovations while EP was out west filming a movie. I've never read that this was done at Priscilla's request or that she was responsible for job.

[presley31]

Elvis did have some renovations done in the mid-60's. He hired a relative of Marty Lacker to do these renovations while EP was out west filming a movie. I've never read that this was done at Priscilla's request or that she was responsible for job.

I been looking for for information but there isn't anything:blink:

[ehollier]

I been looking for for information but there isn't anything:blink:


"Careless Love" by Peter Guranlick is the source of this information.

[presley31]

"Careless Love" by Peter Guranlick is the source of this information.

no liz about priscilla taking over and making graceland in the colour she wanted to do in the 60's, but it can't be ture since there is no information, however elvis did some work though the 60's

[MissyM]

P31, I'm not a child, I don't even listen to my mother anymore, so please don't tell me what to do. This is a discussion like tons of other discussion that go on for days.
I did read that she had a hand in it but I can't remember where. None the less her statement is still wrong about it being that way the longest or that Elvis liked it the best. Who did he tell that to. Is there any "proof" of that????

[presley31]

P31, I'm not a child, I don't even listen to my mother anymore, so please don't tell me what to do. This is a discussion like tons of other discussion that go on for days.
I did read that she had a hand in it but I can't remember where. None the less her statement is still wrong about it being that way the longest or that Elvis liked it the best. Who did he tell that to. Is there any "proof" of that????

of course your not a child but your trying to find fault on everything priscilla did in elvis life if it means so much to you who did graceland than ask your family and than you will have your questions answerd.;)

[MissyM]

Well it may sound odd but family doesn't really discuss such things a whole lot. You say I am bent on blaming Priscilla for everything. Actually there is a whole lot I don't blame her for such as, his career choices, his drug use, his death (some people do you know), his spending, his choice of friends. I could go on but point made.

[nyc]

I didn't find the article that bad. But I'm not sure how this part was missed in it. It says only 20 percent of his work can be seen today. That would mean that 80 is not the same as before. He said the living room and dining room are the two rooms that are mostly the same. Therefore the statement that what it is now, is what it was for 20 years (by Cilla) is not correct. Plain and simple. Easy to say since there are few pictures of the Pre-Cilla era. What? You think she lived there and didn't have a hand in redecorating it???

That quote - and it's an estimate by the decorator decades after the fact, without access to photographs of his original work - still doesn't pin the changes on Priscilla.

She may have hand in decorating it, but the article you posted doesn't prove the point.

[Unique Dog]

I It says only 20 percent of his work can be seen today. That would mean that 80 is not the same as before..


If this is the case, I haven`t found this excerpt in the article....then the article or Golden is contradicting the other. He said that Graceland was pretty much the same today as it was all those years ago with the exception of the Peacocks, a few mirrors and other things.
You are determined to blame Priscilla for alot of things and you seem obsessed by it. What`s done is done. You can`t change it, neither can I. So what if she changed it back to the way it was the majority of his life there. When you step back and look at the whole picture really, how much of this is that important?

[Erhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGoVHbG4Qg

[utmom2008]

If this is the case, I haven`t found this excerpt in the article.... So what if she changed it back to the way it was the majority of his life there. When you step back and look at the whole picture really, how much of this is that important?

I did read the 20% statement, but it didn't say that Pris changed it. IMO, the obsession with wanting it the way it was in his last years is the following....I think we get so caught up with his death and the fact that it happened in GL that there are plenty of people who want to see it EXACTLY as it was on 08/16/77.:blush::blink::blush::blink:

[Teddy]

Is she still trying to?

I think Priscilla has only really tried to influence the way in which Elvis is portrayed by shifting the focus away from the health and substance problems which dominated his public image around his death (and the years which immediately followed) and concentrating on his artistic achievements and the more palatable elements of his family life.

In that respect, you would think she'd be a hero here in TCB World. :lol:

[Diane]

Bringing up his infidelities as well as aspects of their private sexual life doesn't seem palatable to me nor was it conductive to shining up his image in the eyes of the public but I think one of the biggest damages to his reputation was the actor chosen to portray him in the movie Elvis and Me.
I don't think a more sleazy looking and acting actor could have been found while the actress that played Priscilla was oh so sweet and innocent looking. That she sanctioned that movie the way it was brought to the public says quite a lot.



Diane

[utmom2008]

Bringing up his infidelities as well as aspects of their private sexual life doesn't seem palatable to me nor was it conductive to shining up his image in the eyes of the public but I think one of the biggest damages to his reputation was the actor chosen to portray him in the movie Elvis and Me.
I don't think a more sleazy looking and acting actor could have been found while the actress that played Priscilla was oh so sweet and innocent looking. That she sanctioned that movie the way it was brought to the public says quite a lot.



Diane

You got here first Diane!(y)(y) Haven't you heard?? Write a book about his sexual quirks, tell about being "raped" by your husband...it will always raise the public's perception of him.;):lol::lol: Yes, I agree, the guy that played Elvis was as far from handsome as you can get...but wasn't Pris a sweet little thing?;);):lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Diane]

If anyone can read Priscilla's book and still say she didn't try to besmirch him in it then they are as blind as those who say Elvis wasn't an addict.

Diane

[Donut]

If anyone can read Priscilla's book and still say she didn't try to besmirch him in it then they are as blind as those who say Elvis wasn't an addict.

Diane

Well said Diane

[MissyM]

I think Graceland is beautiful and I don't care what fashion it is in now. My point was the fact that she says things that are questionable in order to elevate her status. "Elvis liked it this way the best". Why does she say it. There isn't enough proof.
This is just a minimal part of my point. IMO she wanted to change him into a big shot Hollywood, rich guy and smooze with the other stars. I don't believe for one minute that she accepted him for who he was. At the end of the marriage she spent her time in Cal. and it is she who enjoyed this lifestyle. She wanted to control his image, his money, his life.
And it's as if she was ticked off that it didn't work and she never hesitated to let people know the bad side of her life with him and at Graceland.
But somehow she has transformed herself into this adoring wife, who only had love in her heart for him and Graceland???
Ever notice how much she does not talk about the other men in her past life in interveiws? It's been minimally. On the other hand she goes on and on about Elvis as if time stood still and that was the only man she ever co-habitated with.
And does she ever ever give credit to say Linda for her role in his life and Lisa's? Well heaven forbid. That would just minimize her importance.
And that is in essence my bone of contention. She isn't married to him, she got out because she couldn't control him and his image and life and now she seems to be trying to re-write history. And I do believe it is to again to gain the status she once had through her association she had with him that she once had and wanted to become bigger while she was in it.

[nyc]

Bringing up his infidelities as well as aspects of their private sexual life doesn't seem palatable to me nor was it conductive to shining up his image in the eyes of the public but I think one of the biggest damages to his reputation was the actor chosen to portray him in the movie Elvis and Me.
I don't think a more sleazy looking and acting actor could have been found while the actress that played Priscilla was oh so sweet and innocent looking. That she sanctioned that movie the way it was brought to the public says quite a lot.

I wish Elvis and Me, along with the Last Days of Elvis, would be retired from the TV schedule.

They both still turn up, and I cringe every time I see one of them listed.

[presley31]

I think Priscilla has only really tried to influence the way in which Elvis is portrayed by shifting the focus away from the health and substance problems which dominated his public image around his death (and the years which immediately followed) and concentrating on his artistic achievements and the more palatable elements of his family life.

In that respect, you would think she'd be a hero here in TCB World. :lol:

I agree Teddy even though some won't and thats fine, I'am getting used to be disgreed with :lmfao::lmfao:

[Donut]

I wish Elvis and Me, along with the Last Days of Elvis, would be retired from the TV schedule.


:laughing: good one

[Diane]

I agree. That would fantastic to finally see those fade away....and all the tell-all books.

I don't care whether Priscilla conned Vernon in giving his rights over Graceland to her and was just looking out after herself and saw a great opportunity because Elvis would have wanted Lisa to be well taken care...and she is. I don't care that she overdid it with the plastic surgery except to actually feel sorry that she didn't use better judgment and now will have to go through what I'm sure will be painful procedures to correct it. What I do have against her and the MM is those books and movies that revealed too much about what Elvis wouldn't have wanted the public to know. All that should have been said is that Elvis had a drug problem...the end, and only because it was so obvious in the last couple of years that he had a serious problem of some kind.

I just don't find much to admire about many of the people that were close to Elvis.

Diane

[Donut]

If anyone can read Priscilla's book and still say she didn't try to besmirch him in it then they are as blind as those who say Elvis wasn't an addict.

Diane

Oh Diane, I wanted to show you this but couldn't find it untill now. I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I do LOL.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtc58_priscilla-presley-interview-1985_people

[presley31]

I agree. That would fantastic to finally see those fade away....and all the tell-all books.

I don't care whether Priscilla conned Vernon in giving his rights over Graceland to her and was just looking out after herself and saw a great opportunity because Elvis would have wanted Lisa to be well taken care...and she is. I don't care that she overdid it with the plastic surgery except to actually feel sorry that she didn't use better judgment and now will have to go through what I'm sure will be painful procedures to correct it. What I do have against her and the MM is those books and movies that revealed too much about what Elvis wouldn't have wanted the public to know. All that should have been said is that Elvis had a drug problem...the end, and only because it was so obvious in the last couple of years that he had a serious problem of some kind.

I just don't find much to admire about many of the people that were close to Elvis.

Diane

I may Like priscilla but l have to agree there. I really feel that the books and all that stuff from the people close to elvis really should of kept there memories to themselves, but they didn't and so don't. The only person who l turly love hearing stories from is lisa cause thats something special hearing elvis little girl talking about her daddy.

[MissyM]

I think Priscilla has only really tried to influence the way in which Elvis is portrayed by shifting the focus away from the health and substance problems which dominated his public image around his death (and the years which immediately followed) and concentrating on his artistic achievements and the more palatable elements of his family life.
________
Well seriously, I just don't feel the one's who are true fans need Pricsilla to help us out there. It was never her job in the first place. Fans do not need her influence at all. I guess I just give them enough credit to confidently say they are in awe of his acheivement, know very much of his wonderful side and humanitarian efforts, and have a real sense of priorities when we look at the total Elvis. So you'll have to pardon me if I don't rush out and buy her a thank-you card and send it.

[Diane]

Wow Donut, thanks for posting this interview, I've never seen it. I loved the interviewer, I found he was very direct and to the point but Priscilla has tunnel vision, her way or none at all and excuses galore.

Diane

[presley31]

I think Priscilla has only really tried to influence the way in which Elvis is portrayed by shifting the focus away from the health and substance problems which dominated his public image around his death (and the years which immediately followed) and concentrating on his artistic achievements and the more palatable elements of his family life.
________
Well seriously, I just don't feel the one's who are true fans need Pricsilla to help us out there. It was never her job in the first place. Fans do not need her influence at all. I guess I just give them enough credit to confidently say they are in awe of his acheivement, know very much of his wonderful side and humanitarian efforts, and have a real sense of priorities when we look at the total Elvis. So you'll have to pardon me if I don't rush out and buy her a thank-you card and send it.

I won't be sending anybody out thank you cards either :D:lol::lol::lol:

[Donut]

Wow Donut, thanks for posting this interview, I've never seen it. I loved the interviewer, I found he was very direct and to the point but Priscilla has tunnel vision, her way or none at all and excuses galore.

Diane

Yeah I love him too, she is so nervous by his questions that she can't stop playing with her headphone.

[utmom2008]

Oh Diane, I wanted to show you this but couldn't find it untill now. I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I do LOL.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtc58_priscilla-presley-interview-1985_people

That was classic!!!!(y)(y)(y)(y)
Great find Donut!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[utmom2008]

________
So you'll have to pardon me if I don't rush out and buy her a thank-you card and send it.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[MissyM]

Yeh, I don't think she was having prob. with the ear peice. She just didn't want to hear the questions. But bare with my old mind...what books were being written besided EWH??? (prior to hers that made him sound bad>??)And heck EWH had been years before??
I cringe when she says Lisa read it three times. Ewwwe. Shoot my kids know nothing about our private times even NOW!

[nyc]

Oh Diane, I wanted to show you this but couldn't find it untill now. I'm sure you will enjoy it as much as I do LOL.

That's fascinating. Thanks for the link.

I don't think I've ever seen a celebrity interview like that, LOL. They get their butts kissed over here.

[Diane]

Yes she is a nervous person Donut. She plays with her hair, her nose etc. whenever she's interviewed. I don't think in spite of all the wealth and the now spotlight that she is a happy person.

Diane

[nyc]

Yeh, I don't think she was having prob. with the ear peice. She just didn't want to hear the questions. But bare with my old mind...what books were being written besided EWH??? (prior to hers that made him sound bad>??)And heck EWH had been years before??
I cringe when she says Lisa read it three times. Ewwwe. Shoot my kids know nothing about our private times even NOW!

Goldman's book.

[Donut]

That was classic!!!!(y)(y)(y)(y)
Great find Donut!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

Isn't he lovely? that's a good not a*s kisser interviewer.

[ehollier]

Well seriously, I just don't feel the one's who are true fans need Pricsilla to help us out there. It was never her job in the first place. Fans do not need her influence at all. I guess I just give them enough credit to confidently say they are in awe of his acheivement, know very much of his wonderful side and humanitarian efforts, and have a real sense of priorities when we look at the total Elvis. So you'll have to pardon me if I don't rush out and buy her a thank-you card and send it.

The topic of this thread asked if Priscilla tried to change Elvis' image and I think that I would agree with Teddy that she "tried to influence the way in which Elvis is portrayed by shifting the focus away from the health and substance problems which dominated his public image around his death (and the years which immediately followed) and concentrating on his artistic achievements and the more palatable elements of his family life." because today Elvis has fans that he may not have had 30 years ago. The "true" fans MissyM are who?? Are they the ones that were around when he was alive or do you include those fans who have been influenced by him through EPE and Priscilla by and large because of the publicity since his death....fwhat about the fans that weren't born until recently??? I disagree with you and Rosanne that we do not need Priscilla as an influence to the fans. She lived with him for 10 years of her life and was his wife. Like her or hate her, she is part of the EP history, the lore, the reason so many here spend post after ridiculous post either defending her or bashing her.

You are very fortunate, as are a few others, that know of EP as a person rather than an image. That is wonderful. But that is only a very select few who can make this claim. Stop and consider the fans here younger than your own children. If Elvis wouldn't be in the media, Graceland wouldn't be open, are the younger fans to depend on Albert Goldman's view of Elvis as his legacy??

[kathy parkinson]

The interviewer is called Terry Wogan, he is very well known in the UK, he has been a radio,and,tv interveiwer for many years.

[MissyM]

Well E-H, I guess we won't agree on this one. But no prob. I just feel like Elvis would still be popular with these generation. His fans are the ones with the biggest influence on passing down his legacy. If Graceland had not opened, surely another Elvis Museum or two would have opened. Elvis was bigger than life and had so much influence on music in general. I know EPE promotes him and I'll give them some amount of credit for the numbers but I still think that by far it is Elvis himself that would live on in greatness no matter what. And no, I don't feel that he would only be remembered as Goldman portrayed him. So many books have been written by him. I see that you will have 1 out of a hundred people who may dislike him or think he was just a failure in life or as a person. It helps that people have a place to celebrate his life and works, yes but as I said, I still think people around the world would find a place and way to do so. It's kind of like when a family member dies, those who love that person so much will keep their the memories of them going.
And I don't think it's such a bad thing if the legacy dwindles down a bit. Such is life and is bound to happen with time. I guess I just think its inevidable. I'd rather have that happen than see him commercialized in a tacky way forever.

[Teddy]

I don't think I've ever seen a celebrity interview like that, LOL. They get their butts kissed over here.

That's right and you ought to be pleased.
In the British media you are guilty until proven innocent.

Listen to Wogan's opening gambit: "Why did you think it worthwhile to regurgitate the whole 'Elvis thing' in a book?"
I'm sorry, but if re-telling the Elvis story is 'regurgitation' then that means around 80% of all the books in our collective libraries as TCB board-members is tantamount to vomit.

Does this still sound like a cool interview?

[nyc]

That's right and you ought to be pleased.
In the British media you are guilty until proven innocent.

Nope. I find the British press is highly entertaining, LOL. I'm a big fan of British tabloids.

And actually, it's much easier for a public figure to sue for libel/slander in Britain than it is here, where it's next to impossible. Lisa Marie's recent lawsuit would have been laughed out of court in the United States.


Listen to Wogan's opening gambit: "Why did you think it worthwhile to regurgitate the whole 'Elvis thing' in a book?"
I'm sorry, but if re-telling the Elvis story is 'regurgitation' then that means around 80% of all the books in our collective libraries as TCB board-members is tantamount to vomit.

Does this still sound like a cool interview?

Yep. There is a lot of crap written about Elvis. And the author of a tell-all (Priscilla, MM, whoever) deserves to get grilled. I hope Madonna's brother gets a grilling when his book comes out.

For all of the ink spilled over Elvis, I'm not sure that I'd consider anything besides Guralnick's two volumes essential reading, either.

[utmom2008]

________
Well seriously, I just don't feel the one's who are true fans need Pricsilla to help us out there. It was never her job in the first place. Fans do not need her influence at all. I guess I just give them enough credit to confidently say they are in awe of his acheivement, know very much of his wonderful side and humanitarian efforts, and have a real sense of priorities when we look at the total Elvis. So you'll have to pardon me if I don't rush out and buy her a thank-you card and send it.

I agree Missy...what young people today know about Elvis doesn't really come down through Priscilla. They generally categorize her as the "woman with all the terrible plastic surgery". What is she doing these days in a positive or negative way to influence the young generations? They aren't sitting home every year on the 16th to see if she is on Larry King.:doh::doh: What they know about Elvis they have learned on their own. It would be interesting to know if any of the teenagers on here came to love Elvis because of Pris' positive image she is portraying. The last time my kids were here they did get a look at the Elvis Rubberduck that EPE so graciously gave me for my B-day...and thought it was the tackiest thing they had seen in awhile.:lol:

[Teddy]

Nope. I find the British press is highly entertaining, LOL. I'm a big fan of British tabloids.

And actually, it's much easier for a public figure to sue for libel/slander in Britain than it is here, where it's next to impossible. Lisa Marie's recent lawsuit would have been laughed out of court in the United States.


Okay, excellent.
Now bring some of that open-minded appreciation of British style and opinion over to the Aloha thread before I suffocate in prejudice.

[utmom2008]

Yeh, I don't think she was having prob. with the ear peice. She just didn't want to hear the questions.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Brian]

Nope. I find the British press is highly entertaining, LOL. I'm a big fan of British tabloids.

And actually, it's much easier for a public figure to sue for libel/slander in Britain than it is here, where it's next to impossible. Lisa Marie's recent lawsuit would have been laughed out of court in the United States.



Yep. There is a lot of crap written about Elvis. And the author of a tell-all (Priscilla, MM, whoever) deserves to get grilled. I hope Madonna's brother gets a grilling when his book comes out.

For all of the ink spilled over Elvis, I'm not sure that I'd consider anything besides Guralnick's two volumes essential reading, either.


Hi nyc

I have nothing against Peter Guralnick but if you look at the acknowledgement pages in his books he lists a bunch of other Elvis books like Elvis and me, Elvis What happened, Joyce Bova's book, Jerry Hopkins book, Bill Burk's books

He takes a lot of stuff from other writers books and puts it into his own

I believe Madonna's brother's book is out as I've seen him on t.v. promoting it. I know he had a falling out with her but some things are better kept private, he wrote this book to take some shots at her and to make money.

(I am not a fan of Madonna's) I have nothing against Peter Guralnick, never met him. just telling it like it is.

[ehollier]

Hi nyc

I have nothing against Peter Guralnick but if you look at the acknowledgement pages in his books he lists a bunch of other Elvis books like Elvis and me, Elvis What happened, Joyce Bova's book, Jerry Hopkins book, Bill Burk's books

He takes a lot of stuff from other writers books and puts it into his own

I believe Madonna's brother's book is out as I've seen him on t.v. promoting it. I know he had a falling out with her but some things are better kept private, he wrote this book to take some shots at her and to make money.

(I am not a fan of Madonna's) I have nothing against Peter Guralnick, never met him. just telling it like it is.

Peter didn't include anything in his book that he couldn't find adequate evidence for. This makes him a good journalist.

[Brian]

Peter didn't include anything in his book that he couldn't find adequate evidence for. This makes him a good journalist.



My point is he borrows a lot of stuff from other writers instead of doing it himself.

[nyc]

I have nothing against Peter Guralnick but if you look at the acknowledgement pages in his books he lists a bunch of other Elvis books like Elvis and me, Elvis What happened, Joyce Bova's book, Jerry Hopkins book, Bill Burk's books

He takes a lot of stuff from other writers books and puts it into his own

I know, but that's one of the things that makes his books valuable to me. He's gone through all of the sources and basically summarizes what's out there.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, either. He cites his sources - and as he points out, there's simply not much primary material (from Elvis himself) after 1958. It's not like Elvis gave the sort of interview John Lennon did in 1980 - where he admitted, among other things, to being a "hitter" with men and women.

Any Elvis biographer would be forced to rely on the accounts of people around him, given how little there is that comes directly from Elvis himself.

[utmom2008]

Peter didn't include anything in his book that he couldn't find adequate evidence for. This makes him a good journalist.

This also makes him a "RARE" journalist these days.;):lol:

[Brian]

I know, but that's one of the things that makes his books valuable to me. He's gone through all of the sources and basically summarizes what's out there.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, either. He cites his sources - and as he points out, there's simply not much primary material (from Elvis himself) after 1958. It's not like Elvis gave the sort of interview John Lennon did in 1980 - where he admitted, among other things, to being a "hitter" with men and women.

Any Elvis biographer would be forced to rely on the accounts of people around him, given how little there is that comes directly from Elvis himself.

yeah okay but I was surprised that he just didn't go interview and see if he could get some new info or a different point of view from those who knew Elvis. Most of them he didn't interview.

I thought Last Train was okay but Careless love had sort of a negative tone and he's down on Elvis a lot imo.

[nyc]

I thought Last Train was okay but Careless love had sort of a negative tone and he's down on Elvis a lot imo.

I know Guralnick says he has a greater appreciation for post-Army Elvis now, but I'm not sure I really believe that. He's a blues purist, basically.

And while Guralnick's books are the best out there, I do think there are some issues with them.

I think this is a good and fair critical review of Last Train/Careless Love:

http://http://livinginstereo.com/?page_id=295

[utmom2008]

I know Guralnick says he has a greater appreciation for post-Army Elvis now, but I'm not sure I really believe that. He's a blues purist, basically.

And while Guralnick's books are the best out there, I do think there are some issues with them.

I think this is a good and fair critical review of Last Train/Careless Love:

http://http://livinginstereo.com/?page_id=295

The link isn't coming through nyc..can you try another route?:D

[nyc]

Gah. Let's see if this works:

http://livinginstereo.com/?p=293

[utmom2008]

Gah. Let's see if this works:

http://livinginstereo.com/?p=293

Yes, got it! Thanks!(y)

[ehollier]

I know, but that's one of the things that makes his books valuable to me. He's gone through all of the sources and basically summarizes what's out there.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, either. He cites his sources - and as he points out, there's simply not much primary material (from Elvis himself) after 1958. It's not like Elvis gave the sort of interview John Lennon did in 1980 - where he admitted, among other things, to being a "hitter" with men and women.

Any Elvis biographer would be forced to rely on the accounts of people around him, given how little there is that comes directly from Elvis himself.


I didn't realize that material that was out there until Peter wrote these books. So much has been written about Elvis, I imagine that its a unbelievable job trying to wade through it all and then decipher what is fact, fiction, or embellished!! He even admits in the beginning of this book that his book alone cannot stand as the only work on Elvis b/c, as impartial as he tried to be, a reader will always come away with a slightly different view of the subject matter than the next person. He also states that since Elvis didn't leave a diary or many letters, only his music as his 'history,' as an author he has had to rely on the many people out there that have given interviews on the same subject again and again while trying to find a point of view that is not biased. I don't think there are any other books that have been written that would come close to his.

[presley31]

interview with peter about elvis

http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=20070816_140920_432

[Brian]

I know Guralnick says he has a greater appreciation for post-Army Elvis now, but I'm not sure I really believe that. He's a blues purist, basically.

And while Guralnick's books are the best out there, I do think there are some issues with them.

I think this is a good and fair critical review of Last Train/Careless Love:

http://http://livinginstereo.com/?page_id=295


Hi nyc

I doubt that too Peter Guralnick basically likes rock n' roll and blues so I just don't think Elvis eclectic music in the 60's and 70's were his cup of tea.
Given the large number of gospel,rock n' roll, and country music that Elvis recorded I do think he should have recorded more blues songs and made some blues albums in the 70's. Many people have said Last Train is the best book ever written about Elvis and a movie should be made based on it, I think that really irked Bill Burk who Mr. Guralnick borrowed from quite a bit.
Regarding Careless Love Mr.Guralnick calls it the Unmaking? referring to Elvis Unmaking in 1960 doesn't make sense to me. Elvis had 3 #1 hits, a hit movie a critically acclaimed performance in a non singing role and Elvis recorded albums his Hand in mine and Elvis is Back. He mentions Flaming Star and Wild in the country as failures and he's down on the 70's Elvis, not really mentioning Elvis performance on New year's Eve 1976, Larry Gellar calls it one of the greatest performances he's ever seen but hardly any mention.
I agree in the 70's Elvis could have been more productive but he did make some good records and give some good concerts which is something I don't think Peter Guralnick should have dismissed. Also what's in Careless love I've basically heard and read before. I think it's just a boring book.

[suspicious_mind]

If anyone can read Priscilla's book and still say she didn't try to besmirch him in it then they are as blind as those who say Elvis wasn't an addict.

Diane


Agreed.
In that interview on this thread that was posted she kept trying to say how she tried to make him look like a normal human being. She did the total opposite. And she has to know that.
Making him look like a 'normal human being' dosent mean making him look mean, hateful, or anything of the sort. She couldve left those things out. Theres a reason she didnt.

[The King's Queen]

Agreed.
In that interview on this thread that was posted she kept trying to say how she tried to make him look like a normal human being. She did the total opposite. And she has to know that.
Making him look like a 'normal human being' dosent mean making him look mean, hateful, or anything of the sort. She couldve left those things out. Theres a reason she didnt.

I think this is called "Priscilla's Fantasy World"...:supriced::lmfao: This is place she goes to when she wants to do whatever it is she wants, say whatever she wants to say, and still have people who will fall for it hook, line and sinker! Oh, by the way, there is also a place in her little private world where you will find her a good bit of the time...it's the "Victim Room". Here, she can portray herself as always innocent, loving, truthful, and naive....so taken advantage of by big bad Elvis! So, when you wanna know the reasons she does or says what she does, you will have to delve into her own private, yet often confusing and mostly self-contradicting, world and search for her there. One word of caution though: You never know which Priscilla you may be dealing with! It could be the "Widow Presley", or the "Victim", or, God forbid, the "Miss Innocent Prissy". But either way, if anyone wants to find the REAL truth behind what she does and says...GOOD LUCK! ;)

[MissyM]

And in that sweet world she lives in, she is not ever accountable for anything. "It's A Wonderful World". Even when she talks about bringing up her daughter, it's the same old same old world. Elvis spoiled her, she was a rebellious child, poor Cilla the single mom, what a burden having to raise Elvis's wild child all by her little bitty self. Oh the tragedy of it all. And you know she was just so self-sacraficing in it all.
And ya know, this whole Graceland thing OMGosh, the whole burden of that was put upon her, and all these years all she ever cared about was his legacy. I mean, dang it, even if it means selling Mickey Mouse Elvis's, she must do the noble thing and preserve his legacy.
She once said that she was better known at Mike Stone's girlfriend than Elvis's wife. I sure wish it would have stayed that way.

[Unique Dog]

So much hate for Priscilla on here.....pretty sad. She was Elvis` wife and mother of his child. He loved her and she loved him. We can`t change the past and we certainly should not judge someone when we don`t know them personally or their circumstances.

[MissyM]

Gees, see I don't get that Unique. We hash out the ugliest details about Elvis, the MM, and others. Why is it that Cilla is off limits??? Why, when it comes to her, are supposed to "get over it". She's still doing thing people don't like. If she didn't put herself out there then people wouldn't say much. She would have been long forgotten. You can't change any of the past. But Lord know that is part of 80 percent of the discussions around her. Sorry but being his wife at one time and mother of his child does not give her a position of esteem and exemptions.

[Unique Dog]

I don`t "hash" out the ugly details of Elvis` personal life. What`s done is done and we can`t change anything. If certain members of the MM and a few family members hadn`t cashed in on him and hung his dirty laundry out for the world to see, no one would be "hashing" out the details. Whatever he did in his private life was his own business. He was a great entertainer and loved what he did and loved his fans. His accomplishments are all the matter in the end.
Hashing out the ugly details of Elvis and/or Priscilla`s lives is a little high schoolish and reminds me of gossipy neighbors.

[presley31]

Gees, see I don't get that Unique. We hash out the ugliest details about Elvis, the MM, and others. Why is it that Cilla is off limits??? Why, when it comes to her, are supposed to "get over it". She's still doing thing people don't like. If she didn't put herself out there then people wouldn't say much. She would have been long forgotten. You can't change any of the past. But Lord know that is part of 80 percent of the discussions around her. Sorry but being his wife at one time and mother of his child does not give her a position of esteem and exemptions.

you must be kidding?? we been none stop talking about this woman and you say why do we keep cilla off limits... Like Elvis would say IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.

[ehollier]

So much hate for Priscilla on here.....pretty sad. She was Elvis` wife and mother of his child. He loved her and she loved him. We can`t change the past and we certainly should not judge someone when we don`t know them personally or their circumstances.

I couldn't agree more. There is too much time spent disliking Priscilla for their own personal reasons that we all seem to lose sight of the fact that he really did love her and chose her to be his wife.

[utmom2008]

I think this is called "Priscilla's Fantasy World"...:supriced::lmfao: This is place she goes to when she wants to do whatever it is she wants, say whatever she wants to say, and still have people who will fall for it hook, line and sinker! Oh, by the way, there is also a place in her little private world where you will find her a good bit of the time...it's the "Victim Room". Here, she can portray herself as always innocent, loving, truthful, and naive....so taken advantage of by big bad Elvis! So, when you wanna know the reasons she does or says what she does, you will have to delve into her own private, yet often confusing and mostly self-contradicting, world and search for her there. One word of caution though: You never know which Priscilla you may be dealing with! It could be the "Widow Presley", or the "Victim", or, God forbid, the "Miss Innocent Prissy". But either way, if anyone wants to find the REAL truth behind what she does and says...GOOD LUCK! ;)


You left out another room that she frequents quite often Lea. It's called the "Recovery Room"... that's where she goes after her multitude of horrid plastic surgeries.;);):lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Gees, see I don't get that Unique. We hash out the ugliest details about Elvis, the MM, and others. Why is it that Cilla is off limits???


you must be kidding?? we been none stop talking about this woman and you say why do we keep cilla off limits... Like Elvis would say IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.

It was a hypothetical question Jen...re-read it. Missy's point is that we have hashed out EVERY sordid detail of Elvis' life, why would anyone expect Prissy to be off limits? And, I agree with her. Elvis is left with NO dignity, especially after some members think it's funny to tell degrading "made-up rumors" about him. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.;)

[franny]

So much hate for Priscilla on here.....pretty sad. She was Elvis` wife and mother of his child. He loved her and she loved him. We can`t change the past and we certainly should not judge someone when we don`t know them personally or their circumstances.

I couldn't agree more! (y) (y) (y)


Gees, see I don't get that Unique. We hash out the ugliest details about Elvis, the MM, and others. Why is it that Cilla is off limits??? Why, when it comes to her, are supposed to "get over it". She's still doing thing people don't like. If she didn't put herself out there then people wouldn't say much. She would have been long forgotten. You can't change any of the past. But Lord know that is part of 80 percent of the discussions around her. Sorry but being his wife at one time and mother of his child does not give her a position of esteem and exemptions.

Cilla off limits, how many threads have you started that are about Priscilla? :blink: It's getting old! (n)


you must be kidding?? we been none stop talking about this woman and you say why do we keep cilla off limits... Like Elvis would say IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.

Great post, Jen. :D (y) It's been non-stop talking about Priscilla, it's getting to be a Priscilla site:blink:


I couldn't agree more. There is too much time spent disliking Priscilla for their own personal reasons that we all seem to lose sight of the fact that he really did love her and chose her to be his wife.


You're so right, Liz. All this "dislike" and bashing is getting a little boring! How many times can one say the same thing :blink::blink:

[utmom2008]

We hash out the ugliest details about Elvis, the MM, and others. Why is it that Cilla is off limits??? Why, when it comes to her, are supposed to "get over it".

I think everyone is missing her point with this statement!!! No one says anything about all the Elvis bashing threads, so why do they get upset over a Pris bashing thread? THAT is her point! Some have even found humor at Elvis' expense, yet we are so mean IF we find humor at Prissy's expense. I don't quite understand that either....why is it OK to bash Elvis, just as long as we don't criticise the poor little widow woman?;):lol:

[franny]

I think everyone is missing her point with this statement!!! No one says anything about all the Elvis bashing threads, so why do they get upset over a Pris bashing thread? THAT is her point! Some have even found humor at Elvis' expense, yet we are so mean IF we find humor at Prissy's expense. I don't quite understand that either....why is it OK to bash Elvis, just as long as we don't criticise the poor little widow woman?;):lol:

Nobody is missing Missy's point...

Who doesn't say anything or get upset about the Elvis bashing threads?? :blink:

I think what it is, we should make every thread on here about hating Priscilla, that would make some very happy! Maybe, there can be a Hate Priscilla section, would that do? :hmm:

Sure, there are other things to discuss, it's the same old, that's the point! ;) :lol:

[presley31]

I couldn't agree more! (y) (y) (y)



Cilla off limits, how many threads have you started that are about Priscilla? :blink: It's getting old! (n)



Great post, Jen. :D (y) It's been non-stop talking about Priscilla, it's getting to be a Priscilla site:blink:



You're so right, Liz. All this "dislike" and bashing is getting a little boring! How many times can one say the same thing :blink::blink:

well said franny(y)(y)

[presley31]

Nobody is missing Missy's point...

Who doesn't say anything or get upset about the Elvis bashing threads?? :blink:

I think what it is, we should make every thread on here about hating Priscilla, that would make some very happy! Maybe, there can be a Hate Priscilla section, would that do? :hmm:

Sure, there are other things to discuss, it's the same old, that's the point! ;) :lol:

well said again franny(y)(y)

[MissyM]

Well the statement simply is not correct. I don't just start thread about her. I have put plenty of other topics on here. But I will remember this in case someone starts a topic about Elvis, the MM, Red and Sonny West, Lamar, let's see who else????? And then the "haters" of them jump in.
I happen to think it's an interesting concept. The Col. wanted Elvis to have a certain image, the MM protected his image, and Elvis indeed wanted his image protected. But underneath it all in some ways he remained himself. Good or bad or both, he primarily lived in Graceland, and was who he was.

[Diane]

I'm tired of both the Elvis and Priscilla bashing on these threads especially when they leak over to threads that have nothing to do with the topic. I don't mind a couple of comments made but to go on and on forever reading on the bashing of either one wears me out.

Diane

[nyc]

Well the statement simply is not correct. I don't just start thread about her. I have put plenty of other topics on here. But I will remember this in case someone starts a topic about Elvis, the MM, Red and Sonny West, Lamar, let's see who else????? And then the "haters" of them jump in.
I happen to think it's an interesting concept. The Col. wanted Elvis to have a certain image, the MM protected his image, and Elvis indeed wanted his image protected. But underneath it all in some ways he remained himself. Good or bad or both, he primarily lived in Graceland, and was who he was.

And whenever something critical is posted about one of the MM here, plenty of people jump in to tell the "haters," as you call them, that they have rose colored glasses about Elvis. Priscilla takes much more of a general beating here than the MM does. I think all of three people on this site like her (P31, Teddy and ehollier).

Personally, I don't see a bit of difference between Priscilla and the MM. They both have hung out every piece of Elvis' dirty laundry for the entire world to see (and for people who hate Elvis to snicker about).

The idea that being a fan of Elvis means you have to like Lamar Fike, Marty Lacker or Priscilla makes no sense to me.

And as they've ALL made themselves public figures with their books, interviews, and public appearances, they are ALL fair game to me.

[presley31]

And whenever something critical is posted about one of the MM here, plenty of people jump in to tell the "haters," as you call them, that they have rose colored glasses about Elvis. Priscilla takes much more of a general beating here than the MM does. I think all of three people on this site like her (P31, Teddy and ehollier).

Personally, I don't see a bit of difference between Priscilla and the MM. They both have hung out every piece of Elvis' dirty laundry for the entire world to see (and for people who hate Elvis to snicker about).

The idea that being a fan of Elvis means you have to like Lamar Fike, Marty Lacker or Priscilla makes no sense to me.

And as they've ALL made themselves public figures with their books, interviews, and public appearances, they are ALL fair game to me.

yes l do like priscilla, but not everything she's ever done, but i get sick and tried from all these priscilla's threads and like diane said they do get bought in to other threads and this is a elvis site and this is why l came here and also for the many friends l have made. Another note there are lots of priscilla's fans on here but there don't speak up cause they see what happens when the pris fans do.

[Brian]

yes l do like priscilla, but not everything she's ever done, but i get sick and tried from all these priscilla's threads and like diane said they do get bought in to other threads and this is a elvis site and this is why l came here and also for the many friends l have made. Another note there are lots of priscilla's fans on here but there don't speak up cause they see what happens when the pris fans do.


Hi Jen

I don't dislike Priscilla either really because I don't know her and I wish her well I just didn't like when she would go around at times in the 80's and 90's and take these little digs at Elvis ''if Elvis wasn't happy nobody was happy'' I didn't think that was right seeing as how Elvis was dead and couldn't respond.
In recent years she's talked really respectfully of him and their times together.

I do have one question about Priscilla that I would really like to know but no one has been able to answer.

[Diane]

I do have to agree that it is no worse to bash Priscilla than it is to bash Elvis and the MM. I myself don't care for Priscilla or most of the MM but what I do object to is the "words" that are used to bash. I don't feel there is ever a need for name calling or to nit-pick and drag out the posts forever. It's all been said over and over anyway.

Diane

[presley31]

I do have to agree that it is no worse to bash Priscilla than it is to bash Elvis and the MM. I myself don't care for Priscilla or most of the MM but what I do object to is the "words" that are used to bash. I don't feel there is ever a need for name calling or to nit-pick and drag out the posts forever. It's all been said over and over anyway.

Diane

diane you me always seemed to get along no matter who we like or don't like, we always respect eachtogther and thats what friends are all about when you posting on message boards:hug:

I don't mind anybody views about priscilla, but the name calling and the going on forever gets alittle to much even for those who don't like priscilla.

[ehollier]

It's not a matter of being a Priscilla 'fan' or not a Priscilla fan, or a fan of the MM or anyone associated with Elvis Presley, but as Diane said,
"I'm tired of both the Elvis and Priscilla bashing on these threads especially when they leak over to threads that have nothing to do with the topic. I don't mind a couple of comments made but to go on and on forever reading on the bashing of either one wears me out." and the words that are used or inferred are incredible cruel and hateful, extremely hateful. If someone doesn't like her or Marty, or Lamar or WHOEVER, say that you don't like them and then move on. But its not enjoyable to come here day after day and read such hateful comments which are nothing if not full of contempt. If I wanted that, I could pick up Albert Goldman's book for that sort of trash-talk. And Diane is right, there is nothing that hasn't been said already, so why go on and on. Seems like if you can't help yourself to these sort of comments, then PM someone, just please leave it out of the posts.

[ehollier]

Nobody is missing Missy's point...

Who doesn't say anything or get upset about the Elvis bashing threads?? :blink:

I think what it is, we should make every thread on here about hating Priscilla, that would make some very happy! Maybe, there can be a Hate Priscilla section, would that do? :hmm:

Sure, there are other things to discuss, it's the same old, that's the point! ;) :lol:


(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Thanks Franny!!!!!!! For those who say that they don't like her sure do spend an aweful lot of time talking about her....If I didn't like someone, I would just forget about that person rather than spend my days going on and on about them!!!!!

[utmom2008]

I think all of three people on this site like her (P31, Teddy and ehollier).

It appears that list is down to 2 people.:blink:

Personally, I don't see a bit of difference between Priscilla and the MM. They both have hung out every piece of Elvis' dirty laundry for the entire world to see (and for people who hate Elvis to snicker about).
The idea that being a fan of Elvis means you have to like Lamar Fike, Marty Lacker or Priscilla makes no sense to me.
And as they've ALL made themselves public figures with their books, interviews, and public appearances, they are ALL fair game to me.

Great post nyc....very well thought out.(y)(y)


If someone doesn't like her or Marty, or Lamar or WHOEVER, say that you don't like them and then move on. But its not enjoyable to come here day after day and read such hateful comments which are nothing if not full of contempt. If I wanted that, I could pick up Albert Goldman's book for that sort of trash-talk. And Diane is right, there is nothing that hasn't been said already, so why go on and on. Seems like if you can't help yourself to these sort of comments, then PM someone, just please leave it out of the posts.
Those are some good points that definetly should apply to generic threads. When you have a thread title with the words "Priscilla", "West", "Sonny", "Red" or "Lamar" coupled with "changing Elvis' image" or something along those lines it always stretches into days and days and pages and pages of comments, and I don't see a way to prevent that. The only other workable option would be to post your comment and opinion and then if you are a big fan of that person's just don't come back and read the unflattering posts. There is something to be said for if certain subjects are upsetting to you then don't keep reading and participating..:blush::blink::blink::blush:

[utmom2008]

I think what it is, we should make every thread on here about hating Priscilla, that would make some very happy! Maybe, there can be a Hate Priscilla section, would that do? :hmm:


If you think that's a good section to add then you might try posting that on the philosophical thread and see what feedback you get in return.:blink::blink:

[presley31]

It's not a matter of being a Priscilla 'fan' or not a Priscilla fan, or a fan of the MM or anyone associated with Elvis Presley, but as Diane said, and the words that are used or inferred are incredible cruel and hateful, extremely hateful. If someone doesn't like her or Marty, or Lamar or WHOEVER, say that you don't like them and then move on. But its not enjoyable to come here day after day and read such hateful comments which are nothing if not full of contempt. If I wanted that, I could pick up Albert Goldman's book for that sort of trash-talk. And Diane is right, there is nothing that hasn't been said already, so why go on and on. Seems like if you can't help yourself to these sort of comments, then PM someone, just please leave it out of the posts.

yep i agree and great post(y)

[franny]

I'm tired of both the Elvis and Priscilla bashing on these threads especially when they leak over to threads that have nothing to do with the topic. I don't mind a couple of comments made but to go on and on forever reading on the bashing of either one wears me out.

Diane

So true, Diane. (y) (y)


It's not a matter of being a Priscilla 'fan' or not a Priscilla fan, or a fan of the MM or anyone associated with Elvis Presley, but as Diane said, and the words that are used or inferred are incredible cruel and hateful, extremely hateful. If someone doesn't like her or Marty, or Lamar or WHOEVER, say that you don't like them and then move on. But its not enjoyable to come here day after day and read such hateful comments which are nothing if not full of contempt. If I wanted that, I could pick up Albert Goldman's book for that sort of trash-talk. And Diane is right, there is nothing that hasn't been said already, so why go on and on. Seems like if you can't help yourself to these sort of comments, then PM someone, just please leave it out of the posts.

Right, Liz. That's the difference, it's not a matter of being a fan of Priscilla or the MM...it's the on-going bashing, it's really :yawn: :lol: It wouldn't even be so bad, if it was something new, but it's the same old...:P


(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Thanks Franny!!!!!!! For those who say that they don't like her sure do spend an aweful lot of time talking about her....If I didn't like someone, I would just forget about that person rather than spend my days going on and on about them!!!!!

You're welcome, Liz. I totally agree with what you say...Maybe, they are fans of Priscilla's but don't want to admit it :lol: why else would they spend so much time talking about her :blink:

[franny]

If you think that's a good section to add then you might try posting that on the philosophical thread and see what feedback you get in return.:blink::blink:

That's okay, I have already made the suggestion here...I wouldn't want to repeat myself :)

franny

[8mmlowa]

sure they try just see the elvis by the presleys or the new text of the tour dvd or the text when you take the tour :-(

[utmom2008]

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

Thanks Franny!!!!!!! For those who say that they don't like her sure do spend an aweful lot of time talking about her....If I didn't like someone, I would just forget about that person rather than spend my days going on and on about them!!!!!

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

I DO know what you mean. Seems at times there are members here who profess to love Elvis, but they sure do spend alot of time relishing the negative side of him, and they seem to get their kicks out of others who do the same.:blink::blink::blink:

[utmom2008]

You're welcome, Liz. I totally agree with what you say...Maybe, they are fans of Priscilla's but don't want to admit it :lol: why else would they spend so much time talking about her :blink:

:lol::lol::lol: Thanks for that comment, it made me think of my Dad and gave me a good laugh!(y) As we were walking from the car to the store he said "Now remember, if she's there, don't be ugly to her" and then my parents and I had a good laugh. What I wouldn't give to hear him laugh one more time!:lol::D:D(y)

[Unique Dog]

the MM protected his image, and Elvis indeed wanted his image protected. .


Now that`s an interesting statement to say the least....

[Broussey]

elvis had his image long before priscilla was in the picture so no she didn't and couldn't not with the loyal fans around to set the record straight.






IMO I AGREE WITH THAT(y)

[The King's Queen]

Those are some good points that definetly should apply to generic threads. When you have a thread title with the words "Priscilla", "West", "Sonny", "Red" or "Lamar" coupled with "changing Elvis' image" or something along those lines it always stretches into days and days and pages and pages of comments, and I don't see a way to prevent that. The only other workable option would be to post your comment and opinion and then if you are a big fan of that person's just don't come back and read the unflattering posts. There is something to be said for if certain subjects are upsetting to you then don't keep reading and participating..:blush::blink::blink::blush:

BINGO Rosie! You know, it seems as if it is acceptable have countless threads and posts that talk about how Elvis was a junkie, or Elvis was weird about something, or how Elvis got fat, and blah, blah, blah.... I, for one, don't like all of the negativity surrounding Elvis, but who would have ever known all of his dirty laundry had Pris, the MM, and others around him NOT spilled their guts to make a buck??? :supriced: Yet I don't contradict anyone who is telling something that seems to be truthful...no matter how many times it is repeated on different threads. But boy....just bring up anything negative about ol' Prissy and watch what happens! :blink:;)


And whenever something critical is posted about one of the MM here, plenty of people jump in to tell the "haters," as you call them, that they have rose colored glasses about Elvis. Priscilla takes much more of a general beating here than the MM does. I think all of three people on this site like her (P31, Teddy and ehollier).

Personally, I don't see a bit of difference between Priscilla and the MM. They both have hung out every piece of Elvis' dirty laundry for the entire world to see (and for people who hate Elvis to snicker about).

The idea that being a fan of Elvis means you have to like Lamar Fike, Marty Lacker or Priscilla makes no sense to me.

And as they've ALL made themselves public figures with their books, interviews, and public appearances, they are ALL fair game to me.

PRECISELY!! Great post! (y)

If they didn't want to open themselves up to ridicule, why didn't they just stay quiet about their association with Elvis??? :hmm: Ahhhh...but then again, that would not be profitable, would it?? Trust me, I wish that Pris had never opened her mouth...especially since she has proven to contradict herself so much. But since she has found it necessary to: 1) claim "widow" status, 2) write a book, 3) constantly be in the limelight where anything Elvis is concerned, (just to name a few), she must want the attention! :doh:

That said, let's just look at it this way....

Elvis didn't want all of the negative aspects of his life to be discussed and have every single and personal piece of it dragged through the mud, I'm sure. But it does happen! And it happens quite often...even on websites dedicated to him. So go figure! :doh: If it's good enough for Elvis, then it's certainly good enough for Pris, or anyone else who continues to squeeze out a profit off of a dead man's legacy! :mad:

Perhaps instead of a making a place on the forum that is dedicated to the "Pris haters", we should instead just make it fair all the way around and forbid negative posts about ANYONE...at least that way Elvis wouldn't get raked over the coals for his shortcomings! (y) And before someone fires off and says: "But Elvis was a junkie"...let's remember that the issue here doesn't seem to be whether or not these "bashing" topics are true or false. The issue seems to be that some people are tired of hearing negative things about Pris....and some are tired of hearing negative things about Elvis too!

Same thing, just a different aspect...:blush::blush:

[Sonny]

Enough about this subject for now...

Sonny