$10 Million Egyptian concert shelved by Parker

[Unchained Melody]

In her book, "The Colonel", Alanna Nash revealed that in the 1970s Saudi billionaires offered the Colonel initially $5m, and then increasing the offer to $10m, for Elvis to stage a concert in front of the pyramids in Egypt.
Marty Lacker was aware of this offer and said Elvis had shown him a brochure that they sent of the Pyramids where the show was to take place. He wanted to do it but Parker killed it.

As far as Elvis touring overseas, here is what Charlie Hodge said about it in an interview:

" Touring overseas was a real big issue for Elvis. He wanted to tour Europe badly and especially wanted to perform in Germany and France as he had such happy memories of being in both countries. He wanted to repay the people for their hospitality and of course his fans in other countries. There were so many big offers for Elvis to perform in other countries and we never really knew why the Colonel said no to them. We used to talk about why it never happened. Sometimes the Colonel would say it was security concerns or there weren't suitable auditoriums and other times the price of tickets would be too high. But it used to annoy the hell out of Elvis. He got very angry about it more than one time".


From Bodie at Fecc.

Well Brian looks like the topic has risen from the grave. It's only been a few weeks now :lmfao:

Leave it to that darn Colonel Parker to ruin a one in a lifetime oppurtunity like this would have been. Heck you think as much as Parker loved money even he would have sent Elvis to do this and stayed in the States. :angry:

[goodelvisgirl]

it does not surprise me any more parker was a greedy money graber but i'm sure even he could see this was a great oppertunity can you just imagine elvis in egypt in front of the pyramids doing his thing it would have been as memorable as the hawaii concert and $10m is not a bad fee

[Brian]

Hi Mr. Burrows


yes I have been having a discussion about this with Bodie over at Fecc

I had know about the concert in Egypt for a few years now, I think it was offered in 1975 after the Desert storm incident, college park and around the time he started making comments about Kathy Westmorland on stage about her being loose it was also around the time he accidently shot Dr. Nick in the chest, and I think after he almost accidently killed girlfriend Linda with a gun in Las Vegas

Sonny West has said Colonel Parker didn't want to go through the hassles of booking Elvis with the quantity of pills and guns he would have carried fearing he would get caught with them and it would cause a international incident, people would find out about Elvis severe pill popping habit etc.

Interesting information I have found is that when Colonel Parker managed Eddy Arnold he did book him outside the U.S.

He booked him in Canada, Europe and Mexico

the Colonel didn't go with Eddy to Europe or Canada he let his assistants handle it but he did go with him to Mexico though
He didn't have to go with Elvis he could have let his assistants handle it.
(Tom Diskin etc.) and he would have got his share of the money anyway

Sonny West went on to explain in another interview that Colonel Parker was looking at venues overseas for a possible European tour for 1978 (Wembley arena was one of the venues being looked at) but he doubted Elvis would have toured Europe in 1978 as his drug use was real bad toward the end of his life. Sonny says Colonel would have set up the tour had Elvis only taking the prescription drugs that were absolutely necessary (sleeping pills to help him sleep) and left the rest of his drugs and his guns completely at home Elvis would have headed for Europe but at the point Elvis needed to got to rehab or a hospital facility
(Charlie Stone has confirmed that Colonel Parker sent him to Europe to get info on doing foreign tours in 1977)

[KPM]

Hi Mr. Burrows


yes I have been having a discussion about this with Bodie over at Fecc

I had know about the concert in Egypt for a few years now, I think it was offered in 1975 after the Desert storm incident, college park and around the time he started making comments about Kathy Westmorland on stage about her being loose it was also around the time he accidently shot Dr. Nick in the chest, and I think after he almost accidently killed girlfriend Linda with a gun in Las Vegas

Sonny West has said Colonel Parker didn't want to go through the hassles of booking Elvis with the quantity of pills and guns he would have carried fearing he would get caught with them and it would cause a international incident, people would find out about Elvis severe pill popping habit etc.

Interesting information I have found is that when Colonel Parker managed Eddy Arnold he did book him outside the U.S.

He booked him in Canada, Europe and Mexico

the Colonel didn't go with Eddy to Europe or Canada he let his assistants handle it but he did go with him to Mexico though
He didn't have to go with Elvis he could have let his assistants handle it.
(Tom Diskin etc.) and he would have got his share of the money anyway

Sonny West went on to explain in another interview that Colonel Parker was looking at venues overseas for a possible European tour for 1978 (Wembley arena was one of the venues being looked at) but he doubted Elvis would have toured Europe in 1978 as his drug use was real bad toward the end of his life. Sonny says Colonel would have set up the tour had Elvis only taking the prescription drugs that were absolutely necessary (sleeping pills to help him sleep) and left the rest of his drugs and his guns completely at home Elvis would have headed for Europe but at the point Elvis needed to got to rehab or a hospital facility
(Charlie Stone has confirmed that Colonel Parker sent him to Europe to get info on doing foreign tours in 1977)
DO not agree-its subjective opinion no way to prove it.
Been down this road before and it leads to nowhere.

[Sonny]

True, same old story over and over again...

[presley31]

yep sonny l couldn't agree more. Some things are better left alone and this is one of them.

[Diane]

It's the same old topics over and over again...weight gain, drugs, overseas tour, the MM and Priscilla. One of us HAS to be able to come up with something that hasn't been rehashed and gotten nowhere thousands of times. I'm thinking.......:D

Diane

[EnigmaticSun]

Elvis' manager was a person having control in mind and he right about helped to kill him. My opinion is that he had a darker presence, some people have what they'd call a negative aura.

He did anything for money, including painting sparrows yellow and selling them as canaries. Complaining customers were told the birds just needed to adapt to another environment, but that was of course before being the manager of Eddy Arnold and later Elvis.

The point is he would have had to give up some control by letting Elvis travel abroad without him.

[Unchained Melody]

It wasnt meant to go back down that ol road just thought it was an unbelieveable deal and couldn't believe parker would pass on that kind of money :blush::blush:

[Unchained Melody]

Interestingly, i have just come across something in Jerry Shilling's book 'Me and a guy name Elvis', on page 262, it reads that Elvis was so upset with Parker for not booking an overseas tour that Parker said to Elvis 'If you want to go over there, you will do it without me' then Elvis fired Parker.

So Charlie Hodge,Marty Lacker and now Jerry Shilling have all said that Elvis really wanted to tour overseas but Parker was so against it.
This is enough evidence to suggest to me that Parker was hiding the fact from Elvis that he was an illegal alien and couldnt leave the US.


I couldn't agree more with the statement above. To me like, like the original poster of this, Bodi from FECC, it makes sense that Parker was an illegal alien and was not going to let Elvis go on a World Tour, because he couldnt go with Elvis.(y)

[Brian]

I couldn't agree more with the statement above. To me like, like the original poster of this, Bodi from FECC, it makes sense that Parker was an illegal alien and was not going to let Elvis go on a World Tour, because he couldnt go with Elvis.(y)


Hi Mr. Burrows

you still say that after the message I sent you

[Unchained Melody]

Hi Mr. Burrows

you still say that after the message I sent you

Yes sir I will. It's blantly obvious to me anyhow that Parker wouldnt allow the world tour because of the Illegal Alien issue. sorry thats my opinion and you telling me different is going to change it. I don't buy the it was beause of Elvis' drugs theory. I did for awhile but after reading what Jerry, Charlie, and Marty had to say it makes sense it was because Colonel was an illegal alien therefore Elvis could not tour worldwide. Colonel made a huge deal when Elvis just wanted to take a vacation to Europe for crying out loud.(n)

[rocknroll]

Elvis = employer
Colonel = employee

If Elvis really wanted to do it, he would go without Parker....in my opinion.

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis = employer
Colonel = employee

If Elvis really wanted to do it, he would go without Parker....in my opinion.

Too bad Elvis never had the balls to fire Parker:doh:. Just think of what Elvis could've done had he went with a manager like Steve Binder :notworthy

[Brian]

Yes sir I will. It's blantly obvious to me anyhow that Parker wouldnt allow the world tour because of the Illegal Alien issue. sorry thats my opinion and you telling me different is going to change it. I don't buy the it was beause of Elvis' drugs theory. I did for awhile but after reading what Jerry, Charlie, and Marty had to say it makes sense it was because Colonel was an illegal alien therefore Elvis could not tour worldwide. Colonel made a huge deal when Elvis just wanted to take a vacation to Europe for crying out loud.(n)


Do you know why they say that sir

It's because they don't know that the Colonel was friends with Ambassador Walter Annenberg and President Lyndon Johnson and a slew of other powerful politicians.
Sonny was around constantly from 1960-1976 and got to know the Colonel very well and his reasoning for things. Jerry was in and out pursuing other opportunities. Marty couldn't stand the Colonel and didn't want to be around him
it would have been very benefitial for the Colonel to set up a world tour for Elvis think of all the money.
When the Colonel managed Eddy Arnold he ran his career with an iron fist much like he did with Elvis later on. He still booked Eddy in Europe, Mexico, and Canada.
Colonel Parker was the World's most famous manager who had been living over here for a long, long time and paid taxes who had many powerful friends
Do you think it would have been that difficult for him to get a passport?
What happened to Colonel Parker when the United States government found out he was over here illegally?

[Unchained Melody]

Like I said you have your opinion and I do aswell.

And I believe no world tour was because Parker was an illegal Alien.

Ok Brian how about this ? Parker and Elvis on Closing night september 1973 when him and Elvis were fighting. And parker said if you want to do a world tour you will do it without me? Why would Parker willing to loose Elvis over that if he couldve sent elvis on a world tour as you say ?

[KPM]

Elvis = employer
Colonel = employeeIf Elvis really wanted to do it, he would go without Parker....in my opinion.
Thats the way it should have been-but when each get 50/50 in pay its more partnership IMO
The one time Elvis made a serious effort to fire him, we all know Parker sent a bill which only Parker could have known what was correct and what was not. The bill was so large for one reason only-to make Elvis and Vernon get cold feet about the firing. To dare them-come up with my price without me to help.
Elvis should have got rid of Parker long before that confrontation I agree.
But I'm sure he feared being taken in the entertainment industry- or he would have never signed with the Col. to start with. For better or worse he had trusted this guy since 1955-and he had been listening to this guy (for better or worse) since 1955. I've said this before he was the "Snowman"
His title for himself speaks volumes to me.
I don't think Elvis ever thought Parker was "snowing him" until the mid 70s but by then he was not strong enough to make the break. I agree he should have been able to make the break-but I also agree I should not be afraid of enclosed places--but I am.
Everyone has their own personal Achilles heel, some have more than one.
Strengths and weaknesses we all have them.

[Unchained Melody]

The forula was set for the 70's. Elvis was doing the shows and the money train had been well established by the 70's. Parker wasn't going to change something that was making so much money(n)

[KPM]

Do you know why they say that sir

It's because they don't know that the Colonel was friends with Ambassador Walter Annenberg and President Lyndon Johnson and a slew of other powerful politicians.
Sonny was around constantly from 1960-1976 and got to know the Colonel very well and his reasoning for things. Jerry was in and out pursuing other opportunities. Marty couldn't stand the Colonel and didn't want to be around him
it would have been very benefitial for the Colonel to set up a world tour for Elvis think of all the money.
When the Colonel managed Eddy Arnold he ran his career with an iron fist much like he did with Elvis later on. He still booked Eddy in Europe, Mexico, and Canada.
Colonel Parker was the World's most famous manager who had been living over here for a long, long time and paid taxes who had many powerful friends
Do you think it would have been that difficult for him to get a passport?What happened to Colonel Parker when the United States government found out he was over here illegally?
Once again my friend-then why didn't he? Why not get it in 1947 Eddy Arnold did not carry guns or have medication problems? Or in 1955 Elvis did not have medication problems nor the gun situation? Or in 1965?
Money to be made hand over fist, big money, more money than he and Elvis had ever seen was waiting overseas. Sorry Brian it just does not make sense to me.
Parker did not address this problem. A man who made sure every "I" was dotted and every "T" was crossed on every contract he ever drew up-never bothered to legally straighten out a situation of "major importance" in his life.
As you state it-it seems it would have been easy as pie-but he never did it. That would have been the smart thing to do, the correct thing to do-and according to your own estimation-the easy thing to do.

That is the stumbling block in this theory for me.
Every time you say it would have been easy-I ask myself then why didn't he?

[Unchained Melody]

That's the same question I find myself asking too Ken is why didn't he. But then I thought about the answer he will get from him which is because Elvis' drugs would've caused a problem which is again BS IMO.

[Brian]

Once again my friend-then why didn't he? Why not get it in 1947 Eddy Arnold did not carry guns or have medication problems? Or in 1955 Elvis did not have medication problems nor the gun situation? Or in 1965?
Money to be made hand over fist, big money, more money than he and Elvis had ever seen was waiting overseas. Sorry Brian it just does not make sense to me.
Parker did not address this problem. A man who made sure every "I" was dotted and every "T" was crossed on every contract he ever drew up-never bothered to legally straighten out a situation of "major importance" in his life.
As you state it-it seems it would have been easy as pie-but he never did it. That would have been the smart thing to do, the correct thing to do-and according to your own estimation-the easy thing to do.

That is the stumbling block in this theory for me.
Every time you say it would have been easy-I ask myself then why didn't he?

That's not the point I was making nor was it the point Sonny was making
imo fans are to quick to blame the Colonel for everything

I will tell you what I will do since you want to know so bad I know someone who knows Sonny West and I will ask him to ask sonny Why didn't the Colonel get his citizenship taken care of anyway.
If I had to guess it would simply be procrastination

The point I think a lot of fans are having over this is that Colonel Parker was a celebrity that opens a lot of doors and works a lot of magic in the U.S.
The Colonel would not be treated like your average illegal immigrant
He was also a tax payer which other illegal aliens don't pay them
His illegal alien status didn't stop him from booking Eddie Arnold outside of the Country.

I keep you all posted when I get an answer from Sonny

[Unchained Melody]

It didn't stop him from booking Arnold outside of the USA, no one said that, but why didn't get go with Eddy. Because he was an illegal alien.:blink:

[Brian]

It didn't stop him from booking Arnold outside of the USA, no one said that, but why didn't get go with Eddy. Because he was an illegal alien.:blink:


My point was sir he still booked him he didn't make a big fuss with Eddy he just accepted the offers.

Colonel didn't go with Eddy Arnold to Canada or Europe he let his assistants handle it.

but he did go with him to Mexico, he got in and out of Mexico without any problems.

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis was alot bigger than Eddy Arnold ever was. And of course Colonel was not going to let Elvis go to Europe alone without Colonel, Parker went to Hawaii for the Aloha concert so thats different IMO. And it all goes back to the fact that it was Colonel Tom Parkers Fault there was no world tour, sure Brian the fans blame him for alot of stuff but this is one thing that really was to blame. And some to Elvis of course for not firing the SOB and getting a manager who was in with the time and knew what was in. Parker was out dated when Elvis got back from the Army IMO.

[Unchained Melody]

Some more info from Bodi on the FECC forum.

Found this quote interesting from the 1969 Las Vegas Press Conference.



At the 1969 press conference, a British entrepreneur offered Elvis £1million for 1 appearance in London.Elvis looked at Parker and said 'You have to ask him'.Parker's reply was 'Just put down the deposit'.
In the 70's, Parker was offered between £1-2million by British promoters such as Robert Paterson, Jack Solomon, Arthur Howes (who's bid of £2million for Elvis to play Wembley Stadium was turned down in '75) and similar offers were also turned down for a single concert from Japan, Asia and Australia from other promoters such as Australian promoter James McKay.

[Brian]

Some more info from Bodi on the FECC forum.

Found this quote interesting from the 1969 Las Vegas Press Conference.



Bodie's a nice guy and he's right most of the time but he's wrong about the world tour.

I do believe that if Elvis had gotten a new manager in the mid 70's they would have had the same problems touring internationally

pills, guns, laziness, new concert repetoire (I say this as a big Elvis fan)

[Unchained Melody]

Bodie's a nice guy and he's right most of the time but he's wrong about the world tour.

I do believe that if Elvis had gotten a new manager in the mid 70's they would have had the same problems touring internationally

pills, guns, laziness, new concert repetoire (I say this as a big Elvis fan)

Ok I give you the laziness, new concert repetoire etc. But the guns and pills, i don't think so.

And first, and foremost, had Elvis gotten a mangager who would let him tour world wide, when he was still motivated say after the Madison Square Garden shows i can assure you he would've hit the studio getting new material, getting in shape and that would be the best time for him to have done a world tour IMO. I think he had given up on it because he knew parker wasnt ever going to let him do a world tour, but had he had someone who would've let him that would have motivated him i know.

[Brian]

Ok I give you the laziness, new concert repetoire etc. But the guns and pills, i don't think so.

And first, and foremost, had Elvis gotten a mangager who would let him tour world wide, when he was still motivated say after the Madison Square Garden shows i can assure you he would've hit the studio getting new material, getting in shape and that would be the best time for him to have done a world tour IMO. I think he had given up on it because he knew parker wasnt ever going to let him do a world tour, but had he had someone who would've let him that would have motivated him i know.

Okay hear me out sir

When I said the Colonel booked Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.

Eddie Arnold was a huge country crossover superstar who had a fanbase overseas and this was pre rock n' roll. Colonel Parker treated Eddy Arnold in a similar way to Elvis including the side deals he had with RCA but he still allowed Eddy to play Europe etc. When Sonny was speaking of the pills and the guns I think he was talking about the quantity. I think if Elvis only took pills he needed to help him sleep and carried just one gun I think the Colonel could have arranged that and would have set up a world tour for Elvis.
This whole thing is about Elvis not the Colonel

[Unchained Melody]

Okay hear me out sir

When I said the Colonel booked Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.

Eddie Arnold was a huge country crossover superstar who had a fanbase overseas and this was pre rock n' roll. Colonel Parker treated Eddy Arnold in a similar way to Elvis including the side deals he had with RCA but he still allowed Eddy to play Europe etc. When Sonny was speaking of the pills and the guns I think he was talking about the quantity. I think if Elvis only took pills he needed to help him sleep and carried just one gun I think the Colonel could have arranged that and would have set up a world tour for Elvis.
This whole thing is about Elvis not the Colonel

I think had parker told him this. "Only took pills he needed to help him sleep and carried just one gun" I think Elvis would have agreed my friend and done it. Of course Parker never did that. Wonder why, My guess is because it always goes back to the illegal alien issues Parker had. JMO and i'm sticking to it;)

And that is enough evidence for me to honestly believe a world tour never happened because Parkers status as an illegal alien. Case closed for me anyways.

[KPM]

My point was sir he still booked him he didn't make a big fuss with Eddy he just accepted the offers.

Colonel didn't go with Eddy Arnold to Canada or Europe he let his assistants handle it.

but he did go with him to Mexico, he got in and out of Mexico without any problems.
Going in and out of Mexico, then was easy and required no passport.
In todays post 9-11 world it is a little tougher-but you still do not need a passport.
I have been to Tijuana and it was no problem of any kind to get in and out.

[KPM]

Okay hear me out sir

When I said the Colonel booked Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.

Eddie Arnold was a huge country crossover superstar who had a fanbase overseas and this was pre rock n' roll. Colonel Parker treated Eddy Arnold in a similar way to Elvis including the side deals he had with RCA but he still allowed Eddy to play Europe etc. When Sonny was speaking of the pills and the guns I think he was talking about the quantity. I think if Elvis only took pills he needed to help him sleep and carried just one gun I think the Colonel could have arranged that and would have set up a world tour for Elvis.
This whole thing is about Elvis not the Colonel
In your opinion the whole thing is about Elvis-not the COl. I am not of that opinion
As far as Arnolds fame-This is true he was a big crossover star compared to Hank Snow or Tex Ritter-but even Eddy Arnold on Johnny Carson has said that Elvis's world wide fame was just unprecedented. Johnny had asked him about Parker having managed both Arnold and Elvis and in his answer Arnold made the distinction that the level of fame and money involved were not nearly the same.

[KPM]

That's not the point I was making nor was it the point Sonny was making
imo fans are to quick to blame the Colonel for everything

I will tell you what I will do since you want to know so bad I know someone who knows Sonny West and I will ask him to ask sonny Why didn't the Colonel get his citizenship taken care of anyway.If I had to guess it would simply be procrastination

The point I think a lot of fans are having over this is that Colonel Parker was a celebrity that opens a lot of doors and works a lot of magic in the U.S.
The Colonel would not be treated like your average illegal immigrant
He was also a tax payer which other illegal aliens don't pay them
His illegal alien status didn't stop him from booking Eddie Arnold outside of the Country.

I keep you all posted when I get an answer from Sonny
Brian there is no way Sonny can no why Parker did not get it taken care of. Parker could tell anyone anything "after the fact"-he sure had enough time to come up with a story. If it was something he was unafraid of-why the secrecy" during the years with Arnold, Snow and Elvis?
Why the deception with all who knew him? You only hide things you are ashamed of or things you fear can do you harm if they come out. This is fact.
Only Parker can no why! I say this as fact. No one even knew until after Elvis was long dead that he was illegal. So during the time that he could have got it taken care of-no one even knew he needed too. 40 years of procrastination? Thats not procrastination thats deliberately avoiding confronting the situation.

[Brian]

Brian there is no way Sonny can no why Parker did not get it taken care of. Parker could tell anyone anything "after the fact"-he sure had enough time to come up with a story. If it was something he was unafraid of-why the secrecy" during the years with Arnold, Snow and Elvis?
Why the deception with all who knew him? You only hide things you are ashamed of or things you fear can do you harm if they come out. This is fact.
Only Parker can no why! I say this as fact. No one even knew until after Elvis was long dead that he was illegal. So during the time that he could have got it taken care of-no one even knew he needed too. 40 years of procrastination? Thats not procrastination thats deliberately avoiding confronting the situation.


I think your making the Colonel Parker situation worse than he really was
Do I think Colonel Parker was the right manager for Elvis after 1962 in a lot of ways no but I personally don't blame him for the World tour.
Sonny knew Colonel parker better than any of us so I will wait and see
Just so you know Sonny wasn't really talking about full citizenship he was talking about LBJ giving the Colonel a passport or something along those lines so he could travel abroad with Elvis.
Like I said sir he still booked Eddy Arnold abroad
Sonny liked the Colonel a lot and trusted what he had to say.
In the end after everybody found out he was illegal it didn't matter the Colonel never applied to be a citizen or anything like that and they still let him stay (because he was famous ) His illegal alien status didn't matter to anyone everybody still called him Colonel.
Colonel parker was no fool he knew about the celebrity obsessed culture that the world lives in (particulaly the U.S.) and how celebrities get away with things far worse than what he did.
You have made some good points however but I don't agree with you
I will still keep you posted on what Sonny says

[KPM]

I think your making the Colonel Parker situation worse than he really was
Do I think Colonel Parker was the right manager for Elvis after 1962 in a lot of ways no but I personally don't blame him for the World tour.
Sonny knew Colonel parker better than any of us so I will wait and see
Just so you know Sonny wasn't really talking about full citizenship he was talking about LBJ giving the Colonel a passport or something along those lines so he could travel abroad with Elvis.
Like I said sir he still booked Eddy Arnold abroad
Sonny liked the Colonel a lot and trusted what he had to say.
In the end after everybody found out he was illegal it didn't matter the Colonel never applied to be a citizen or anything like that and they still let him stay (because he was famous ) His illegal alien status didn't matter to anyone everybody still called him Colonel.
Colonel parker was no fool he knew about the celebrity obsessed culture that the world lives in (particulaly the U.S.) and how celebrities get away with things far worse than what he did.
You have made some good points however but I don't agree with you
I will still keep you posted on what Sonny says
I agree Sonny knew Parker better than I-but Jerry knew Parker just as well, Lamar use to travel with the Col ahead of Elvis on tours and I know Lamar met Parker in the 50s before Sonny-so of the 3 I would say Lamar probably knew him as well as anyone could ( as well as anyone can know someone who calls himself the "Snowman"
You made my point again-if Parker knew the "celebrity obsessed culture" the world is and how celebrities get away with things-then he should have had no fears of trying to staighten it out. He did not have time for one ten minute phone call to LBJ (or whoever) in all the 40 years he was illegal?
I mean one phone call and "Presto" he is a citizen. Imagine-it is that simple and he never did it????????
I will say this again "I have never thought he would be deported"
I feel he would have not needed any big strings pulled-all he had to do is go to the proper channels and explain- what would naturally be asked to process his application for citizenship:
How he got into the US.
Why he did not do so legally.
Why he waited so long to take care of this.
Why and under what circumstance did he leave his home country.
How he got a SS number without being a citizen.
But Brian there is no explanation which I can imagine which would account for him not ever admitting he was illegal to anyone and for never taking care of it. It makes absolutely no sense- NONE.
If anyone can figure out what the fear was he had of taking care of this-a huge mystery will be solved.
As I said-you hide things for 2 basic reasons- you fear the knowledge being known or are ashamed of something.

[tony70]

Well that figuers col was all about himself so why would Elvis think hed be able to do that show

[Brian]

I agree Sonny knew Parker better than I-but Jerry knew Parker just as well, Lamar use to travel with the Col ahead of Elvis on tours and I know Lamar met Parker in the 50s before Sonny-so of the 3 I would say Lamar probably knew him as well as anyone could ( as well as anyone can know someone who calls himself the "Snowman"
You made my point again-if Parker knew the "celebrity obsessed culture" the world is and how celebrities get away with things-then he should have had no fears of trying to staighten it out. He did not have time for one ten minute phone call to LBJ (or whoever) in all the 40 years he was illegal?
I mean one phone call and "Presto" he is a citizen. Imagine-it is that simple and he never did it????????
I will say this again "I have never thought he would be deported"
I feel he would have not needed any big strings pulled-all he had to do is go to the proper channels and explain- what would naturally be asked to process his application for citizenship:
How he got into the US.
Why he did not do so legally.
Why he waited so long to take care of this.
Why and under what circumstance did he leave his home country.
How he got a SS number without being a citizen.
But Brian there is no explanation which I can imagine which would account for him not ever admitting he was illegal to anyone and for never taking care of it. It makes absolutely no sense- NONE.
If anyone can figure out what the fear was he had of taking care of this-a huge mystery will be solved.
As I said-you hide things for 2 basic reasons- you fear the knowledge being known or are ashamed of something.

Like I said I will get an answer and get back to you
But it may take a while though
Many illegal aliens live in the United States illegally and never get there citizenship either (Laziness) (the United States has a very liberal attitude toward illegal immigration)
Trust me when I say Colonel parker had nothing to fear because he was celebrity and Elvis manager
He wanted to leave his home country because he wanted to create a better life for himself (America is the land of opportunity)

[KPM]

Like I said I will get an answer and get back to you
But it may take a while though
Many illegal aliens live in the United States illegally and never get there citizenship either (Laziness) (the United States has a very liberal attitude toward illegal immigration)
Trust me when I say Colonel parker had nothing to fear because he was celebrity and Elvis manager
He wanted to leave his home country because he wanted to create a better life for himself (America is the land of opportunity)
That would be your guess as to a possible answer to why he left-not necessarily the answer. Brian there is no way to know why Parker left-only Parker knew that just as only Parker knew why he never straigtened it out:
Unless you can get a mystic who can contact Col. Tom Parker in the afterlife and get him to truthfully give an answer-no one on earth can answer that question for him. You are correct the US (until the 9-11 attack) has had a liberal attitude on illegal immigration-so once again my point is made-he had no reason not to get it taken care of.

[Brian]

That would be your guess as to a possible answer to why he left-not necessarily the answer. Brian there is no way to know why Parker left-only Parker knew that just as only Parker knew why he never straigtened it out:
Unless you can get a mystic who can contact Col. Tom Parker in the afterlife and get him to truthfully give an answer-no one on earth can answer that question for him. You are correct the US (until the 9-11 attack) has had a liberal attitude on illegal immigration-so once again my point is made-he had no reason not to get it taken care of.

That wasn't Sonny point that he did get it taken care of because he didn't
He was saying he could of got it fixed which he could have (Just to be clear on what he said)

and I've made the point about him booking Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.
imo The U.S. still has a liberal attitude about immigration as there are 20 or 25 millon maybe more illegal immigrants living in the U.S.

[KPM]

That wasn't Sonny point that he did get it taken care of because he didn'tHe was saying he could of got it fixed which he could have (Just to be clear on what he said)

and I've made the point about him booking Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.
imo The U.S. still has a liberal attitude about immigration as there are 20 or 25 millon maybe more illegal immigrants living in the U.S.
I'm not sure what you are referring to-I was commenting on someone being able to provide a 100% for sure answer on why Parker never took care of this situtation. Believe me Brian after all the posts on this subject I understand the points you have been making-and the comments attributed to Sonny;)
I can tell you the liberal attitude on illegals is not nearly as liberal today as you think. There are a couple dozen pieces of legislation at this moment being proposed on cracking down on this problem. The American public is bery concerned about this- no matter the party. 2/3rds of Americans polled want action on illegals crossing the border illegally and on the millions here already. It is a threat to this nations security that it has been so easy to come into this country and live illegally. I happen to agree that our borders need to be enforced fully-and illegals need to have to pay a price for illegally being here. I have sent many e-mails and letters on this issue to Washington.
(Whether they are read fully or not- the "yes or no" aspect of this issue is recorded and taken into consideration)

[Unchained Melody]

Well my opinion still stands, and I say its Parkers fault mostly and Elvis' aswell for not getting rid of him and finding the right man for the job by '72.

[Unchained Melody]

and I've made the point about him booking Eddy Arnold outside the U.S.
S.

There's nothing that says that the Colonel approved of it or had any say of this at all. :hmm:

Brian, IMO, Elvis' drug problem had nothing a-tall with no world tour or anyother thing like this of happening.

It would have been like I said before a great challenge for Elvis just like the Aloha From Hawaii Special was and you know he would've got in fighting shape had such a challenge been presented to him.

The only reason the world tour never happened was just like Marty said, The Parker could'nt leave the United States of America and did not want to be exposed.

The quote below from Midnightx from FECC sums it up perfectly for me.


Not being able to personally oversee a huge career move for Elvis such as an international tour and letting Eddy Arnold play some non-U.S. dates is really not a comparable scenerio. Maybe in Fantasy Land it is, but not in the real world. There was more of a need to protect his professional representation of Elvis Presley than of Eddy Arnold

Maybe this will end all the talk about Parker booking Arnold outside of the USA as their isn't no proof of that imo, and its not fair to compare the two.

[Albert]

in the end, a manager works for his client, not the other way around.

If Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour badly, he would have done it.

[Brian]

There's nothing that says that the Colonel approved of it or had any say of this at all. :hmm:

Brian, IMO, Elvis' drug problem had nothing a-tall with no world tour or anyother thing like this of happening.

It would have been like I said before a great challenge for Elvis just like the Aloha From Hawaii Special was and you know he would've got in fighting shape had such a challenge been presented to him.

The only reason the world tour never happened was just like Marty said, The Parker could'nt leave the United States of America and did not want to be exposed.

The quote below from Midnightx from FECC sums it up perfectly for me.



Maybe this will end all the talk about Parker booking Arnold outside of the USA as their isn't no proof of that imo, and its not fair to compare the two.

Brad

may I call you Brad sir is that your name?

I hate Midnightx over at Fecc forum he's almost as worse as Dr.Carpenter I pay him no mind, what he says I wouldn't pay any attention to what he says.
He's always attacking people and smarting off at them if you posted there you would hate him to he is on my ignore list. he is the one in fantasy land

Colonel Parker let Eddy Arnold tour overseas
Colonel Parker was rich and famous it wouldn't be that hard for him to get a passport. people act like they would treat Colonel like your average illegal alien. He was different from other illegals in a number of ways.
Reading up on him he actually was more connected than Elvis was he had life long frienships with a number of powerful people. As far as being exposed more than half the people in showbusiness have stage names, everybody still and did call him Colonel despite the fact he was an honorary Colonel
Elvis was bigger than Eddy Arnold but Eddy was a very big artist a popular country singer he occasoinally crossed over into the pop charts and sold millions of records and was very successfull when the Colonel managed him
The Colonel managed him in a similar way to what he managed Elvis later on.
Including side deals he had with RCA. that's my point sir.
The drug problems could have had a very big deal in all of this
Colonel Parker saw other performers getting busted in airports and crossing borders with substances and drugs and getting into trouble.
If you were Elvis manager maybe you would have took that risk but the Colonel was Elvis manager and he didn't.
Touring overseas is different than touring in the U.S.
It would have been more hard work for Elvis
I know Elvis talked a lot of touring overseas to friends but he never overrode the Colonel on touring outside the U.S.
Elvis was a grown man, an intelligent man who could make he's own decisions.

[MissyM]

Maybe Parker just didn't like Europe or traveling overseas???

[KPM]

Maybe Parker just didn't like Europe or traveling overseas???
Well he never did it thats for sure. ;)

[KPM]

in the end, a manager works for his client, not the other way around.
If Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour badly, he would have done it.
I would tend to agree with you in general -but IMO this was not the typical Manager/Client relationship. Elvis was surely not the typical music artist and Parker was not the typical manager. Their relationship IMO did not fit the mold of the typical relationship. Top commission for most managers was around 15-20% plus expenses-was that the situation with Parker/Elvis?

If most managers claimed they were due 50%of all cash earned-they would be laughed out of the room. Elvis must have believed that Parker was that essential to his career(a mistake)
Elvis it seems had felt that way since Parker took over his career. Parker wanted him to feel that way. A while backI posted a letter Parker wrote Elvis in the early 70s and it showed the tricky slick way that Parker put ideas into Elvis's mind about others-and IMO the idea that Parker was the only one who was trustworthy. How many letters, personal conversation, telegrams might there have been between Elvis and Parker in the 22 years they were together which had a similar sly message? Its like a drip of water on a rock-at first it does no damage-then over time it cuts into the rock and finally the rock is broke down.

[Unchained Melody]

Brad

may I call you Brad sir is that your name?

I hate Midnightx over at Fecc forum he's almost as worse as Dr.Carpenter I pay him no mind, what he says I wouldn't pay any attention to what he says.
He's always attacking people and smarting off at them if you posted there you would hate him to he is on my ignore list. he is the one in fantasy land
.

Well thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. He's a good guy if you know him ;)

[Unchained Melody]

in the end, a manager works for his client, not the other way around.

If Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour badly, he would have done it.

True Albert. If elvis had been affraid to leave the colonel and had he known he could make it without Parker and left him and found a new manager he wouldve toured overseas imo he really wanted to but in the end i think he just gave up on the idea as it seemed almost impossible to happen with Parker managing him.

[KPM]

True Albert. If elvis had been affraid to leave the colonel and had he known he could make it without Parker and left him and found a new manager he wouldve toured overseas imo he really wanted to but in the end i think he just gave up on the idea as it seemed almost impossible to happen with Parker managing him.
I think probably after 1973 and Aloha- Elvis had probably given up on that idea.

[Unchained Melody]

I think probably after 1973 and Aloha- Elvis had probably given up on that idea.

Sadly you are probably right Ken.

And Brian, Yes you can call me Bradley, it is my name :P;)

[jak]

in the end, a manager works for his client, not the other way around.

If Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour badly, he would have done it.

I feel exactly the same way.I just dont think people will accept this simple answer.Elvis was a very powerfull man who liked things done his way.Nobody was going to prevent him from going abroad if he wanted it that bad.I also dont think the Col would ignore the financial rewards of a tour overseas either.

[jak]

I think probably after 1973 and Aloha- Elvis had probably given up on that idea.

I think Elvis lost just about all motivation period after 73.Those last few years didnt have much of anything that challenged or peaked his interest.

[Unchained Melody]

I think Elvis lost just about all motivation period after 73.Those last few years didnt have much of anything that challenged or peaked his interest.

It was almost like he lost the interest overnight jak as he was already high out of his mind the next morning after the aloha performance.:'(

[jak]

It was almost like he lost the interest overnight jak as he was already high out of his mind the next morning after the aloha performance.:'(

You are correct.I know it's a broken record but those stupid drugs robbed him of everything.They are to blame for 95% of his problems in the later years.

[Unchained Melody]

You are correct.I know it's a broken record but those stupid drugs robbed him of everything.They are to blame for 95% of his problems in the later years.

So sad but yet so true.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

There seems to be Virtuous Circle of blame here:-

The MM hate Priscilla and the Colonel so -> BLAME THEM

Priscilla hates the Col & the MM so -> BLAME THEM

Vernon hates the MM, the Col & Priscilla so -> BLAME THEM

I'm with Jak, the drugs robbed Elvis of his drive and motivation! In 1972 and the early part of 1973 Elvis had the ability to overcome his addictions for a short period of time. After this period Elvis was no longer in control of his addictions, they were in control of him.

The Colonel may have been a selfish old duffer but Elvis was his meal ticket, if Elvis was capable of doing a world tour post Aloha I'm pretty sure he would have considered his options. There is a question of the Colonel seeing Elvis on tour and the condition he could be in and decided it just wasn't worth the gamble? If Elvis could turn up to a Interview (Pre-Aloha) stoned, the Colonel clearly couldn't control Elvis' habits and that would have concerned him should Elvis have gone out of the country without him being there to control the Image!

People always seem to think the worst of the Colonel, IMO the Colonel had his faults but I believe he genuinely cared for Elvis, if not on a personal level, at the least on a business level. I'm pretty sure there is more to this situation than meets the eye. If we were fully aware of all the facts we would have made the same decision as the Colonel. It is alright for the MM and others to base their views on loyalty and emotion.

Knowing the outcome of Elvis' life and habits the Colonel wasn't able to influence Elvis any more than Vernon, the MM, Priscilla, Dr. Nick or all the others who claim to be close to him. IMO if Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour, he would have.... he bought a Jet to ferry himself around for heavens sake. The Colonel may have advised against it, Elvis obviously AGREED.

[jak]

There seems to be Virtuous Circle of blame here:-

The MM hate Priscilla and the Colonel so -> BLAME THEM

Priscilla hates the Col & the MM so -> BLAME THEM

Vernon hates the MM, the Col & Priscilla so -> BLAME THEM

I'm with Jak, the drugs robbed Elvis of his drive and motivation! In 1972 and the early part of 1973 Elvis had the ability to overcome his addictions for a short period of time. After this period Elvis was no longer in control of his addictions, they were in control of him.

The Colonel may have been a selfish old duffer but Elvis was his meal ticket, if Elvis was capable of doing a world tour post Aloha I'm pretty sure he would have considered his options. There is a question of the Colonel seeing Elvis on tour and the condition he could be in and decided it just wasn't worth the gamble? If Elvis could turn up to a Interview (Pre-Aloha) stoned, the Colonel clearly couldn't control Elvis' habits and that would have concerned him should Elvis have gone out of the country without him being there to control the Image!

People always seem to think the worst of the Colonel, IMO the Colonel had his faults but I believe he genuinely cared for Elvis, if not on a personal level, at the least on a business level. I'm pretty sure there is more to this situation than meets the eye. If we were fully aware of all the facts we would have made the same decision as the Colonel. It is alright for the MM and others to base their views on loyalty and emotion.

Knowing the outcome of Elvis' life and habits the Colonel wasn't able to influence Elvis any more than Vernon, the MM, Priscilla, Dr. Nick or all the others who claim to be close to him. IMO if Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour, he would have.... he bought a Jet to ferry himself around for heavens sake. The Colonel may have advised against it, Elvis obviously AGREED.

This is probably the best post ever on this subject.I dont think many fans knew how hard Elvis was to manage and deal with later on.My wife and I had dinner last week with a friend who was on the Charlotte police force back in the 70's.He was assigned to the detail that provided security to Elvis.This person had lots of contact with Elvis when he was here.He told us how the Col would tell the security team that Elvis had a "problem" and needed to be watched continously.I found this interesting because I never knew Elvis' problems were even discussed openly.The word drugs was never spoken though.The Col told them they had to watch who had access to Elvis at all times.This was to prevent Elvis from getting more drugs brought to him.I asked my friend if Elvis' drug use was common knowledge or spoken about back then.He stated that everybody around Elvis on the security detail knew he was an addict and hooked on something.They just didnt know the specifics.It was no secret it was causing major problems and concerns.I think this had to be a major stumbling block for a world tour.Elvis could have done it early in his comeback but he missed his chance.After a few years I dont think Elvis was capable of doing it and those around him knew it also.I think things were more dire for Elvis later on than we may realize when it came to his addiction.

[Getlo]

after reading what Jerry, Charlie, and Marty had to say


In her book, "The Colonel", Alanna Nash revealed

There's two mistakes right there ... Unless Nash can cite proof of this Egyptian offer, it should be filed under "unlikely". And don't get me started on Charlie. ;)


The only reason the world tour never happened was just like Marty said, The Parker could'nt leave the United States of America and did not want to be exposed.

This argument is inherently flawed, as it fails to address one simple matter: Had Elvis toured the world, there was absolutely no reason for The Colonel to have gone at all. He rarely, if ever, met up with Elvis during the domestic tours and did not accompany Elvis when he went to Germany. If Elvis had put his foot down to The Colonel's objections and gone on a world tour, The Colonel would have simply sat back home in Madison and watched the cash roll in. His allegedly illegal status wasn't even an issue. I say allegedly, as all this BS about his status has never been proven one way or the other. Put simply, The Colonel wasn't even needed for a world tour, so he wouldn't have been worried about being "exposed".

So let's assume for one moment he was an illegal alien. So what? Given his good record in the States, his military service and his general conduct as a patriot (and being a friend of LBJ - just like cameron, perhaps ... where the hell is she?! :lol:) it would have been just a matter of stamping his papers and saying "okay". There was no reason at all for him to have ever been thrown out of the US. He might have had to pay a fine or something, but that's it. He'd been in the US for years as a good citizen. The idea that his "illegal" status prevented him from allowing Elvis to tour overseas simply does not stack up in the face of logic and facts.

The only reason the world tour never happened, ultimately, is that Elvis was too lazy to get up off his arse and do it! And, yes, the drugs and the guns.


I hate Midnightx over at Fecc forum he's almost as worse as Dr.Carpenter .

"Doctor" Carpenter (ie John Saulovich) is a vicious fool. Midnightx is only slightly better.

[KPM]

There's two mistakes right there ... Unless Nash can cite proof of this Egyptian offer, it should be filed under "unlikely". And don't get me started on Charlie. ;)



This argument is inherently flawed, as it fails to address one simple matter: Had Elvis toured the world, there was absolutely no reason for The Colonel to have gone at all. He rarely, if ever, met up with Elvis during the domestic tours and did not accompany Elvis when he went to Germany. If Elvis had put his foot down to The Colonel's objections and gone on a world tour, The Colonel would have simply sat back home in Madison and watched the cash roll in. His allegedly illegal status wasn't even an issue. I say allegedly, as all this BS about his status has never been proven one way or the other. Put simply, The Colonel wasn't even needed for a world tour, so he wouldn't have been worried about being "exposed".

So let's assume for one moment he was an illegal alien. So what? Given his good record in the States, his military service and his general conduct as a patriot (and being a friend of LBJ - just like cameron, perhaps ... where the hell is she?! :lol:) it would have been just a matter of stamping his papers and saying "okay". There was no reason at all for him to have ever been thrown out of the US. He might have had to pay a fine or something, but that's it. He'd been in the US for years as a good citizen. The idea that his "illegal" status prevented him from allowing Elvis to tour overseas simply does not stack up in the face of logic and facts.

The only reason the world tour never happened, ultimately, is that Elvis was too lazy to get up off his arse and do it! And, yes, the drugs and the guns.



"Doctor" Carpenter (ie John Saulovich) is a vicious fool. Midnightx is only slightly better.
But going by the precedent that the COl. himself set in the US- he did go out on Tour. You are correct he did not have to be there in Europe-but he did not have to be there in the US either. So although I agree he didn't have to go whether here or overseas he usually went-was always in Vegas. So I guess this is another thing you and I just disagree on.
We all concede Parker would not have had any trouble staying in the US, but he never ever attempted to straighten this out-he kept it secret-so by those facts my conclusion is that the COl. himself did not for whatever reason want to address this problem which we all acknowledge should have been easy to rectify. I'm sure the Col. knew his situation much better than any of us-(or any of the MM) since he kept the status secret he must have had a reason. I have no idea why he would keep it that way for 40 years if he did not have a good reason. So logically I assume something kept him from doing so.
But this question, as I have been saying, is speculative opinion.

[Unchained Melody]

Some really great replies on the subject everyone I applaud you !!


The only reason the world tour never happened, ultimately, is that Elvis was too lazy to get up off his arse and do it! And, yes, the drugs and the guns.

And Getlo, I have to agree with you there buddy ! When you think about it it was ultimatley down to Elvis had he wanted to do the tour bad enough he would have.

But one thing is had Colonel stayed in the states, i think the colonel would have wanted to go i mean he was there with Elvis in the aloha concert when they arrived so im sure he wouldve wanted to be with elvis especially when touring worldwide.jmo

[KPM]

[QUOTE=Getlo;234255]

. His allegedly illegal status wasn't even an issue. I say allegedly, as all this BS about his status has never been proven one way or the other.

Did a little checking around and the Col. himself admitted in fighting a court case that he was not a US citizen-but Dutch This came out in the 1993Dutch Documentary "Looking for Col. Parker":

The truth about his early years was revealed when his family in the Netherlands recognized him in photographs of him standing next to Elvis; this claim was confirmed when Parker tried to avert a lawsuit in 1982 by asserting that he was a Dutch citizen. In 1993 Dutch TV director Jorrit van der Kooi talked to him in Dutch about his family background in Holland. Parker was not aware that his sister Adriana had died a few years before. Van der Kooi also filmed the Colonel with a hidden camera while he was gambling in a casino in Las Vegas. This footage can be seen in the Dutch documentary "Looking for Colonel Parker"

[nyc]

Did a little checking around and the Col. himself admitted in fighting a court case that he was not a US citizen-but Dutch This came out in the 1993Dutch Documentary "Looking for Col. Parker":

His illegal status is a fact beyond dispute, admitted by Parker himself when he was contesting the jurisdiction of federal courts in the EPE v. Parker litigation.

Any Google search of that litigation will pull up plenty of information about it.

[KPM]

There seems to be Virtuous Circle of blame here:-

The MM hate Priscilla and the Colonel so -> BLAME THEM

Priscilla hates the Col & the MM so -> BLAME THEM

Vernon hates the MM, the Col & Priscilla so -> BLAME THEM

I'm with Jak, the drugs robbed Elvis of his drive and motivation! In 1972 and the early part of 1973 Elvis had the ability to overcome his addictions for a short period of time. After this period Elvis was no longer in control of his addictions, they were in control of him.

The Colonel may have been a selfish old duffer but Elvis was his meal ticket, if Elvis was capable of doing a world tour post Aloha I'm pretty sure he would have considered his options. There is a question of the Colonel seeing Elvis on tour and the condition he could be in and decided it just wasn't worth the gamble? If Elvis could turn up to a Interview (Pre-Aloha) stoned, the Colonel clearly couldn't control Elvis' habits and that would have concerned him should Elvis have gone out of the country without him being there to control the Image!

People always seem to think the worst of the Colonel, IMO the Colonel had his faults but I believe he genuinely cared for Elvis, if not on a personal level, at the least on a business level. I'm pretty sure there is more to this situation than meets the eye. If we were fully aware of all the facts we would have made the same decision as the Colonel. It is alright for the MM and others to base their views on loyalty and emotion.

Knowing the outcome of Elvis' life and habits the Colonel wasn't able to influence Elvis any more than Vernon, the MM, Priscilla, Dr. Nick or all the others who claim to be close to him. IMO if Elvis REALLY wanted to do a world tour, he would have.... he bought a Jet to ferry himself around for heavens sake. The Colonel may have advised against it, Elvis obviously AGREED.
According to Presley biographer Peter Guralnick, Elvis and Colonel Parker "were really like, in a sense, a married couple, who started out with great love, loyalty, respect which lasted for a considerable period of time, and went through a number of stages until, towards the end of Elvis's life, they should have walked away. None of the rules of the relationship were operative any longer, yet neither had the courage to walk away, for a variety of reasons." Indeed, Elvis did reportedly on at least one occasion try to fire Parker;
Even though I see Parker as a very manipulative, secretive, and very controlling individual- like Guralnick, I think he did have personal feelings for Elvis and visa versa. But I think the overriding quality for Parker in the end was for himself. I see Elvis as a very naive kid of 20 who Parker caught early and then began to mold-much like Elvis tried to do with Priscilla. I see Elvis as a man who was never secure in his own decisions-he needed to be backed up, reinforced in his ideas. We can all debate he should have been secure in things-but he obviously was not. Parker had someone who was easily influenced-and he knew it IMO. By the time Elvis had come to the conclusion that Parker was not always dealing in Elvis's best interests, like Guralnick, I think he just could not bring himself to make the break.
The times he did buck Parker he had someone giving him opinions similar to his own-people he respected. (the type people Parker worked to keep away from Elvis) He respected Parkers show biz savvy in 1955 and hired him-but by the mid 70s I'm not sure the respect was still there-perhaps resentment had replaced it. I have said it before-Parker was not on top of his game from 65 on IMO.

[Brian]

But going by the precedent that the COl. himself set in the US- he did go out on Tour. You are correct he did not have to be there in Europe-but he did not have to be there in the US either. So although I agree he didn't have to go whether here or overseas he usually went-was always in Vegas. So I guess this is another thing you and I just disagree on.
We all concede Parker would not have had any trouble staying in the US, but he never ever attempted to straighten this out-he kept it secret-so by those facts my conclusion is that the COl. himself did not for whatever reason want to address this problem which we all acknowledge should have been easy to rectify. I'm sure the Col. knew his situation much better than any of us-(or any of the MM) since he kept the status secret he must have had a reason. I have no idea why he would keep it that way for 40 years if he did not have a good reason. So logically I assume something kept him from doing so.
But this question, as I have been saying, is speculative opinion.
As far as the illegal status-Parker never dened it after the Nash book came out-I would think he would have. That would have been an easy lawsuit to win-just show how he became a citizen with the proper documents-he could have made a ton of cash just by doing so. I don't think COl. would turn down an opportunity to make money for little work and effort,

Sonny wasn't talking about full citizenship the Colonel wouldn't need full citizenship to travel abroad.

Now had the Colonel chose to become a naturalized U.S. citizen I believe he would have gotten it because he was a tax payer and a famous person, he actually lived in the U.S. for such a long time, longer than he ever did in Holland.

I liked Alanna Nash book overall about the Colonel (and her new book about Elvis should be good because she will be interviewing Elvis girlfriends and 95% of them always have positive things to say about him) and I think she's a good reseacher and a good investigative journalist but I think she makes the Colonel out to be worse than he really was. For example she speculates that the Colonel interfered in Elvis and Ann Margret's relationship and eventually broke them up because Ann had young creative managers and the Colonel was afraid that they might try to steal Elvis away from him. According to Ann herself he didn't have anything to do with it at all ,it had to do with Elvis relationship with Priscilla at the time. As for Ann's managers she hated them she considered them terrible and actually wanted the Colonel to take over her career, she actually liked him personally.

Alanna Nash I believe reads too much into Colonel being an illegal alien, she says he actually may have bludgeoned a woman to death in Holland but then provides no evidence and says she found no evidence but was just speculating. She has been blasted by Joe E., Sonny, Loanne Parker for saying such an awful and ludicrious thing

She also speculates that the Colonel was a spy for Holland who came over to the U.S. and sold secrets back to Holland but provides no evidence because their isn't any. The Colonel might have sued her for slander or something like that if he was still alive.

I assure you it's nothing sinister, the Colonel was nowhere near accused of any of this while he was alive. Ms. Nash writings border on tabloid style and sensationalism sometimes just to sell more copies of her books like the playboy article with that Byron guy demonstrates. but she is a good researcher and writer overall imo

Besides LBJ I have found out that Colonel Parker was also good friends with Ambassador Walter Annenberg the Billionaire philantropist and Magazine publisher who was appointed Ambassador to the U.S. to the U.K. by Richard Nixon (from 1969-1974) and who was close friends to both Nixon and Ford.
I never believed Colonel Parker was afraid of being deported the United States would never deport a famous person.
The Colonel could have got a passport anytime he wanted to.

[KPM]

Sonny wasn't talking about full citizenship the Colonel wouldn't need full citizenship to travel abroad.

Now had the Colonel chose to become a naturalized U.S. citizen I believe he would have gotten it because he was a tax payer and a famous person, he actually lived in the U.S. for such a long time, longer than he ever did in Holland.

I liked Alanna Nash book overall about the Colonel (and her new book about Elvis should be good because she will be interviewing Elvis girlfriends and 95% of them always have positive things to say about him) and I think she's a good reseacher and a good investigative journalist but I think she makes the Colonel out to be worse than he really was. For example she speculates that the Colonel interfered in Elvis and Ann Margret's relationship and eventually broke them up because Ann had young creative managers and the Colonel was afraid that they might try to steal Elvis away from him. According to Ann herself he didn't have anything to do with it at all ,it had to do with Elvis relationship with Priscilla at the time. As for Ann's managers she hated them she considered them terrible and actually wanted the Colonel to take over her career, she actually liked him personally.

Alanna Nash I believe reads too much into Colonel being an illegal alien, she says he actually may have bludgeoned a woman to death in Holland but then provides no evidence and says she found no evidence but was just speculating. She has been blasted by Joe E., Sonny, Loanne Parker for saying such an awful and ludicrious thing

She also speculates that the Colonel was a spy for Holland who came over to the U.S. and sold secrets back to Holland but provides no evidence because their isn't any. The Colonel might have sued her for slander or something like that if he was still alive.

I assure you it's nothing sinister, the Colonel was nowhere near accused of any of this while he was alive. Ms. Nash writings border on tabloid style and sensationalism sometimes just to sell more copies of her books like the playboy article with that Byron guy demonstrates. but she is a good researcher and writer overall imo

Besides LBJ I have found out that Colonel Parker was also good friends with Ambassador Walter Annenberg the Billionaire philantropist and Magazine publisher who was appointed Ambassador to the U.S. to the U.K. by Richard Nixon (from 1969-1974) and who was close friends to both Nixon and Ford.
I never believed Colonel Parker was afraid of being deported the United States would never deport a famous person.
The Colonel could have got a passport anytime he wanted to.
I have no idea as to why Parker left his home country so abruptly-But his own family who were questioned by Nash for the book have said he left overnight abruptly-took no papers, no money, no clothes or personal possessions-that says he left in a big hurry. So I have no clue why he took off without anything or a goodbye to anyone but he sure did verified by his own family. When she asked them about his involvement in the womans death-they admitted it was a possibility in her book. Now this is his own family who knew him intimately until he disappeared from Holland.
Also he had trouble in the service and according to Nashs book he was discharged from the Army with a psychopathic profile from the testing done in the service. I can't remember who posted part of that profile here a while back but someone did.
Once again to me this raises questions as to why the COl. did not want his background questioned. No matter the reason to me the logical conclusion is he did not want it done-no matter how simple it would have been to straighten out-questions would have had to be answered.

[utmom2008]

But his own family who were questioned by Nash for the book have said he left overnight abruptly-took no papers, no money, no clothes or personal possessions-that says he left in a big hurry. So I have no clue why he took off without anything or a goodbye to anyone but he sure did verified by his own family. When she asked them about his involvement in the womans death-they admitted it was a possibility in her book. Now this is his own family who knew him intimately until he disappeared from Holland.
Also he had trouble in the service and according to Nashs book he was discharged from the Army with a psychopathic profile from the testing done in the service.

My!;) What a winning resume!;) :lol:

[KPM]

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My!;) What a winning resume!;) :lol:
:)
You know really I am not trying to make the Col. a villain, but every conceivable question is raised on Elvis, drugs, sex. temper, lazy, weight etc....and then every conceivable possible answer is given by who ever wants to right a book or give an opinion.
Is it not fair to ask questions of some relevance about people who did have some affect on Elvis-in his life and career? Seems fair to me. I think its legitimate to question Parkers motivations and his life in the same way that Elvis's is questioned.

[utmom2008]

:)
You know really I am not trying to make the Col. a villain, but every conceivable question is raised on Elvis, drugs, sex. temper, lazy, weight etc....and then every conceivable possible answer is given by who ever wants to right a book or give an opinion.
Is it not fair to ask questions of some relevance about people who did have some affect on Elvis-in his life and career? Seems fair to me. I think its legitimate to question Parkers motivations and his life in the same way that Elvis's is questioned.

I agree with you 100%!(y)(y)(y)

[Brian]

I have no idea as to why Parker left his home country so abruptly-But his own family who were questioned by Nash for the book have said he left overnight abruptly-took no papers, no money, no clothes or personal possessions-that says he left in a big hurry. So I have no clue why he took off without anything or a goodbye to anyone but he sure did verified by his own family. When she asked them about his involvement in the womans death-they admitted it was a possibility in her book. Now this is his own family who knew him intimately until he disappeared from Holland.
Also he had trouble in the service and according to Nashs book he was discharged from the Army with a psychopathic profile from the testing done in the service. I can't remember who posted part of that profile here a while back but someone did.
Once again to me this raises questions as to why the COl. did not want his background questioned. No matter the reason to me the logical conclusion is he did not want it done-no matter how simple it would have been to straighten out-questions would have had to be answered.


Their still no evidence, Alanna Nash says she found no evidence that he murdered the woman. As for leaving his home country abruptly that could mean a number of things for one maybe he was just in a hurry to leave.
Other illegal immigrants leave their home country and come to the U.S. to create a better life for themselves and I believe that's what the Colonel was doing. As for the army various people get dischared for a variety of reasons
I believe that the Colonel was sane.
To be fair to Ms. Nash she interviews people that knew the Colonel including British fan club president Todd Slaughter who says he didn't have it in him to kill anyone. This is kind of like Charlie Hodge and Kathy Westmorland saying Elvis had cancer now some fans actually believe Elvis died of cancer or was dying of cancer when he had a fatal heart attack.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

So.... We have someone who came from Holland and didn't have American citizenship! He hobnobbed with the hoi polloi including presidents?

I would find it amazing if the FBI or the CIA didn't at least have some background information on the Colonel given his position. I'm pretty sure they would have been aware of his status. They didn't deport him. They had files on Elvis :hmm:

[KPM]

Their still no evidence, Alanna Nash says she found no evidence that he murdered the woman. As for leaving his home country abruptly that could mean a number of things for one maybe he was just in a hurry to leave.
Other illegal immigrants leave their home country and come to the U.S. to create a better life for themselves and I believe that's what the Colonel was doing. As for the army various people get dischared for a variety of reasons
I believe that the Colonel was sane.
To be fair to Ms. Nash she interviews people that knew the Colonel including British fan club president Todd Slaughter who says he didn't have it in him to kill anyone. This is kind of like Charlie Hodge and Kathy Westmorland saying Elvis had cancer now some fans actually believe Elvis died of cancer or was dying of cancer when he had a fatal heart attack.
I did not say he did, I said he left abruptly and his family who knew him did not know why. I pointed out that in the book they(his family) said "it was a possibility" that he could have been somehow involved. I did not say it was fact-but I am exploring reasons he did not want his background investigated.

I only know he left with no warning and no papers or possesions-I have no clue as to why-but that does not bar there being a reason.
In a letter he wrote them he did acknowledge something happened which caused him to leave according to the book quickly-but did not tell them what.

[KPM]

So.... We have someone who came from Holland and didn't have American citizenship! He hobnobbed with the hoi polloi including presidents?

I would find it amazing if the FBI or the CIA didn't at least have some background information on the Colonel given his position. I'm pretty sure they would have been aware of his status. They didn't deport him. They had files on Elvis :hmm:
Has any one tried to get the files on Parker-through the Freedom of Information Act? Just curious.
I would presume that they had files on The Col also.-but Matt the FBI and CIA probably did not have much interest in Col. Parker-no matter his status in the US. He was never a threat, he was hiding so to speak in plain sight with a high profile. So even if they knew his status-he would not be high on their priority list I would think.

But this is the same FBI and CIA who did not keep close enough tabs on the guys "they knew were in the US" who hijacked the planes which hit the World Trade Center. They are also the ones who collected the info which said Iraq still had hidden WMDs.
Its the same FBI and CIA who put Cat Stevens on the no/fly list into the US-the author of "Peace Train" ;)

[Stryx]

I found the post about Charles Stone being sent abroad to scout out Europe by the Colonel interesting.

Anyone have any info where he was sent?

Don't forget how much trouble it was for Weintraub to get on-board with Colonel as well.

[Unchained Melody]

The Colonel could have got a passport anytime he wanted to.

Like alot of things that is beginning to sound like a broken record.

[utmom2008]

He hobnobbed with the hoi polloi including presidents?


Who???? One of our members??;););) :lol::lol:


As for leaving his home country abruptly that could mean a number of things for one maybe he was just in a hurry to leave.


:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

So Parker left overnight, without a formal leave, just left out of no where taking none of his posessions with him. The story about him killing a woman in Holland, well after reading this it don't seem far out of the question as to whether it could be true or not.:doh:

[Unchained Melody]

As for leaving his home country abruptly that could mean a number of things for one maybe he was just in a hurry to leave.


Come on Brian not you can be that naive.:doh:

[utmom2008]

Their still no evidence, Alanna Nash says she found no evidence that he murdered the woman.


I pointed out that in the book they(his family) said "it was a possibility" that he could have been somehow involved.

I'm thinking that maybe OJ did it.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

I'm thinking that maybe OJ did it.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:

He sure did. :mad:

[Stryx]

I'm thinking that maybe OJ did it.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:

If the glove fits....!

[Unchained Melody]

If the glove fits....!

I still don't see how OJ managed to worm is way out of that one, but then again, the power of the almighty dollar is something else. :doh:

[Stryx]

Yeah, its also the problem with courts of law - not courts of justice.

[Unchained Melody]

Yeah, its also the problem with courts of law - not courts of justice.

Too true my friend.

[Brian]

Come on Brian not you can be that naive.:doh:



Hi Bradley how are you


I do not believe the Colonel killed the woman or was a spy for Holland as Alanna Nash speculates maybe he could have been. I think had he been involved in some way we would have heard more about it while he was alive or he would have been accused of it while he was alive. I never heard any of this until Alanna Nash was giving interviews promoting her book just before it was about to be released. To be fair to Ms. Nash she says they were just theories of her's that she was unable to prove it even after doing 7 years of research. To make such big allegations about someone that they may have murdered a woman or was a spy say it to their face and let them defend themselves. According to Alanna Nash herself she met the Colonel several times over the years and liked him but never asked him about any of this or accused him of murdering someone. If I were writing a book about someone I wouldn't say they may have murdered someone or was a spy without concrete proof. If I were her I would have just left that out of her book as the Colonel's life is plenty fascinating without all that speculation.

P.S. Like I have said Colonel Parker was rich, famous and a personal friend to many government officials it wouldn't be hard for him to get a passport.
If you want to continue to blame the Colonel for no world tour by all means feel free to do so but I feel I have made a very good argument that it wasn't his fault. we have agreed on a lot of things but we don't seem to agree on this I guess we'll have to agree to disagree sir.

[Stryx]

I think Nash was trying to be an objective journalist by stating in the book all that she had learned about the Colonel.

Her book on Colonel is the best researched Colonel book available.

I just wonder why Colonel never told anyone about his status - why he fed lies to people about his background - including his close politicial friends.

As he told Lamar when Fike asked him why he never said anything - his reply "Nobody ever asked me"

He also wasnt shy about using his illegal status when he brought to court. The guy was a Carny.


Hi Bradley how are you


I do not believe the Colonel killed the woman or was a spy for Holland as Alanna Nash speculates maybe he could have been. I think had he been involved in some way we would have heard more about it while he was alive or he would have been accused of it while he was alive. I never heard any of this until Alanna Nash was giving interviews promoting her book just before it was about to be released. To be fair to Ms. Nash she says they were just theories of her's that she was unable to prove it even after doing 7 years of research. To make such big allegations about someone that they may have murdered a woman or was a spy say it to their face and let them defend themselves. According to Alanna Nash herself she met the Colonel several times over the years and liked him but never asked him about any of this or accused him of murdering someone. If I were writing a book about someone I wouldn't say they may have murdered someone or was a spy without concrete proof. If I were her I would have just left that out of her book as the Colonel's life is plenty fascinating without all that speculation.

P.S. Like I have said Colonel Parker was rich, famous and a personal friend to many government officials it wouldn't be hard for him to get a passport.
If you want to continue to blame the Colonel for no world tour by all means feel free to do so but I feel I have made a very good argument that it wasn't his fault. we have agreed on a lot of things but we don't seem to agree on this I guess we'll have to agree to disagree sir.

[KPM]

I'm thinking that maybe OJ did it.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:
"If the glove don't fit-you must acquitt":lol: