Who's more at fault for the failure of Elvis' Marriage

[MissyM]

Ha!!! LOL Cherokee!!!!!
Your welcome Col. I think lots of it is taken from the book Elvis Day By Day, which I read. It's a very good documentation and sources are good.

Ok Rosie I guess I'm safe out here if I'm still posting! LOL

[Unchained Melody]

Ha!!! LOL Cherokee!!!!!
Your welcome Col. I think lots of it is taken from the book Elvis Day By Day, which I read. It's a very good documentation and sources are good.

Ok Rosie I guess I'm safe out here if I'm still posting! LOL

Day By Day is an excellent book for sure and great to have as a source for things especially when dates are concerned(y)

[rhythmknights]

Aha, I see. Well, that explains Elvis' love for sunglasses;)

:lmfao::lmfao:(y):lmfao: :lmfao:
good one! i can now start my day with a big smile. and i think i'll wear my D&G bling shades in honor!

[Cherokee]

:lmfao::lmfao:(y):lmfao: :lmfao:
good one! i can now start my day with a big smile. and i think i'll wear my D&G bling shades in honor!

Question is: will you ever be able to wear your shades again without the visual of Priscilla's golden secret? :supriced::'(:P

[KPM]

" she had a golden vagina!"

That must have been quite a sight.
That sounds like the title of a 1974 Golden Harvest produced Karate film
"The Golden Vagina"
Similar film by Elvis "The Trouble with Girls" (and how to get into it)

[utmom2008]

That sounds like the title of a 1974 Golden Harvest produced Karate film
"The Golden Vagina"
Similar film by Elvis "The Trouble with Girls" (and how to get into it)

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

(y) (y) (y) (y) (y)

[utmom2008]

" she had a golden vagina!"

That must have been quite a sight.

As our resident Casanova I bet you would have enjoyed a gander at that!:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Question is: will you ever be able to wear your shades again without the visual of Priscilla's golden secret? :supriced::'(:P

This has turned into a laugh fest.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

I always knew Elvis loved gold.... So is that how he got all that gold on his fingers LOL !!!

[jak]

As our resident Casanova I bet you would have enjoyed a gander at that!:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

I have spent most of my adult life searching for the ever elusive "golden vagina".Im still looking.Maybe someday I shall gaze upon it's heavenly glow.

[Diane]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[midnight]

When you find that golden treasure , I hope you enjoy all it`s pleasure....

[Merry]

I have spent most of my adult life searching for the ever elusive "golden vagina".Im still looking.Maybe someday I shall gaze upon it's heavenly glow.


Would that be with "GoldenEye"? lol

[utmom2008]

When you find that golden treasure , I hope you enjoy all it`s pleasure....

If I have learned anything from this thread it's this :supriced::supriced:........Now we know why soooo many men want to become Gynecologists, and all this time I thought it was just about the money.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

I have spent most of my adult life searching for the ever elusive "golden vagina".Im still looking.Maybe someday I shall gaze upon it's heavenly glow.

:lol::lol: Be sure and let Mrs. Jak know when you find it.;);) :lol::lol::P

[midnight]

Rosanne, that is why I prefer a woman Gynecologist! But these days you never know....

[Unchained Melody]

I love how this thread has come to an end.

Jak, let me know when you find that heavenly glow:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[jak]

:lol::lol: Be sure and let Mrs. Jak know when you find it.;);) :lol::lol::P

Im not sure Mrs Jak would understand the lure of "The Golden One".

[jak]

If I have learned anything from this thread it's this :supriced::supriced:........Now we know why soooo many men want to become Gynecologists, and all this time I thought it was just about the money.;);) :lmfao::lmfao:

I thought about becoming one.Then I realized I would never want to leave the office.I thought it best to choose a different path.

[Unchained Melody]

I thought about becoming one.Then I realized I would never want to leave the office.I thought it best to choose a different path.

Yeah, not sure Mrs Jak would've liked that one either bud:lol:

[mistymorning]

And the whole Mike Stone situation is even worse: to know the man had a wife and family didn't bother her too much as she persued him. Her morals are also questionable in that she didn't have trouble bedding the man IN HER FAMILY HOME (Graceland) while, I assume, Lisa was around (we're talking early seventies here. Lisa could have been 5 at most).
I really, really hope more and more fans - old ones, new ones, in betweens - will finally wake up to her antics and her changing of historic facts.

Omg ! What a disgusting.......How can a wife be so shameless ?!!! horrible !:supriced::mad:

[MissyM]

And don't forget that Elvis was none to happy when the maid they shared told him that Prisc and boyfriend had Lisa's crib in their room!
I don't know about any of the women here: but she says she practically begged Elvis to do her, there is no way on earth that I would do that much less admit to it!!!!!
OK, I know men like when women are assertive in bed, but just how far untill it's a turn off????

[presley31]

I would love to know how you would sneck a guy into graceland without the staff or anybody noticing anything. She was in La when she was with mike stone.

[Teddy]

I don't know about any of the women here: but she says she practically begged Elvis to do her, there is no way on earth that I would do that much less admit to it!!!!!
OK, I know men like when women are assertive in bed, but just how far untill it's a turn off????

We're talking about Priscilla Presley here!
There is no 'turn off'!!
If she begged me to, er, "do her" as you say, I would think all my birthdays and Christmases had arrived simultaneously.
In fact you're getting me all hot under the collar just talking about it. :blush:

[presley31]

We're talking about Priscilla Presley here!
There is no 'turn off'!!
If she begged me to, er, "do her" as you say, I would think all my birthdays and Christmases had arrived simultaneously.
In fact you're getting me all hot under the collar just talking about it. :blush:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: you better throw some water on yourself Teddy, wouldn't want to see you overheating:P

[Teddy]

:blush: I can't help it.
And all this stuff about Cilla's Golden V*g*n*??
MissyM ought to write erotic fiction! She has a natural gift for it!

[ehollier]

:blush: I can't help it.
And all this stuff about Cilla's Golden V*g*n*??
MissyM ought to write erotic fiction! She has a natural gift for it!

Steady dude....its a long thread.......lol:supriced::supriced::supriced:

[Teddy]

Not you aswell!!
"Long thread"??
Will the sexual metaphors never end?!
I'm hyperventilating here! :lol:

[mistymorning]

And don't forget that Elvis was none to happy when the maid they shared told him that Prisc and boyfriend had Lisa's crib in their room!
I don't know about any of the women here: but she says she practically begged Elvis to do her, there is no way on earth that I would do that much less admit to it!!!!!
OK, I know men like when women are assertive in bed, but just how far untill it's a turn off????
************************************************** *********
where have you read this ?!! if it's true , the woman intended to ruin elvis intentionally ! can't she divorce respectfully and go her own way without these dirty shows ?! How can a mother do that when her child is present ?eventhough with her own husband ?! taking a boyfriend to her husband's bed with a child present........:mad:what can you say ?!!!!!!!!!!

[MissyM]

Well shoot, why did I not see this happening?? I'm not a writer, I'm just try to say it like it is.

Misty, I'll try to find the story.

[Unchained Melody]

None of these stories surprise me in the leastbit:doh:

[utmom2008]

And don't forget that Elvis was none to happy when the maid they shared told him that Prisc and boyfriend had Lisa's crib in their room!
I don't know about any of the women here: but she says she practically begged Elvis to do her, there is no way on earth that I would do that much less admit to it!!!!!
OK, I know men like when women are assertive in bed, but just how far untill it's a turn off????

Here's my question.....what was Lisa doing still sleeping in a crib at that age?:doh::doh::hmm:

[presley31]

Here's my question.....what was Lisa doing still sleeping in a crib at that age?:doh::doh::hmm:

I was thinking the same thing?? Lisa should of been in her own bed.

[Diane]

Now I know what was nagging at me in that post.:lol: Lisa was way too old for a crib then

Diane

[elvia7]

'They say Elvis never really wanted to get married. I guess it all starts with that'
This is right - raised on rock.
This is fate every great artist . :(

[utmom2008]

Here's my question.....what was Lisa doing still sleeping in a crib at that age?:doh::doh::hmm:


I was thinking the same thing?? Lisa should of been in her own bed.


Now I know what was nagging at me in that post.:lol: Lisa was way too old for a crib then
Diane

Great minds...thinking alike! Or......3 moms thinking alike!:lol::lol:

[Suspicious Minds]

I voted both of them.

Did Elvis want to go Las Vegas?
Priscilla did not want to go because Lisa was too young to go.
It's probably the Colonel's fault again. He thought Elvis could earn some big money in Las Vegas.

[Unchained Melody]

I voted both of them.

Did Elvis want to go Las Vegas?
Priscilla did not want to go because Lisa was too young to go.
It's probably the Colonel's fault again. He thought Elvis could earn some big money in Las Vegas.

You can't possibly blame Paker for the downfall of elvis' marriage.

Presley chose the career over his wife and family simple as that.

He regretted it later in life, but you have to man up and admit Elvis did do wrongs, and this was his fault, had he wanted to kept the marriage alive he would've but he didn't and neither did she.

[May]

I don't know about any of the women here: but she says she practically begged Elvis to do her, there is no way on earth that I would do that much less admit to it!!!!!
????


which is why i think her stories are all exaggerated and made to make her look the 'injured party' (n)

[Unchained Melody]

which is why i think her stories are all exaggerated and made to make her look the 'injured party' (n)

Thats her for you. To play the victim card. It's beginning to sound like a broken record.

[Teddy]

Here's my question.....what was Lisa doing still sleeping in a crib at that age?:doh::doh::hmm:

Err... it didn't actually happen and the whole thing is a jealous Cilla-hater's fantasy!?

[utmom2008]

And don't forget that Elvis was none to happy when the maid they shared told him that Prisc and boyfriend had Lisa's crib in their room!



Err... it didn't actually happen and the whole thing is a jealous Cilla-hater's fantasy!?

What are you saying? That the jealous maid made the story up?:doh::hmm::lmfao:

[Cherokee]

Err... it didn't actually happen and the whole thing is a jealous Cilla-hater's fantasy!?
Eureka! By Jove, I believe you have solved the mystery, Teddy!
All those who refuse to buy into the rewritten myth by Priscilla
Beaulieu are really only jealous, wishing they could be as conniving,
calculating, self-promoting and treacherous as that former beauty.
Thanks for setting us "haters" straight.:rolleyes:

[Brian]

You can't possibly blame Paker for the downfall of elvis' marriage.

Presley chose the career over his wife and family simple as that.

He regretted it later in life, but you have to man up and admit Elvis did do wrongs, and this was his fault, had he wanted to kept the marriage alive he would've but he didn't and neither did she.

some fans do blame Colonel Parker for the breakup of Elvis marriage I had heard them talk about it on other message boards.

I agree with you if Elvis wanted to keep the marriage together he would have
I read in Elvis what happened that Priscilla wanted to come to Las Vegas to spend more time with him but he said no. He was busy working and he would also live a bachelor's life on the road, that's how Elvis lived he cheated on every woman he was ever with no matter how much he cared for them.

[utmom2008]

And don't forget that Elvis was none to happy when the maid they shared told him that Prisc and boyfriend had Lisa's crib in their room!



Err... it didn't actually happen and the whole thing is a jealous Cilla-hater's fantasy!?


Eureka! By Jove, I believe you have solved the mystery, Teddy!
All those who refuse to buy into the rewritten myth by Priscilla
Beaulieu are really only jealous, wishing they could be as conniving,
calculating, self-promoting and treacherous as that former beauty.
Thanks for setting us "haters" straight.:rolleyes:

Read the above post by Missy and you will see that even the maid was a jealous, conniving "hater".:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Teddy]

What are you saying? That the jealous maid made the story up?:doh::hmm::lmfao:

Certain people just love to hate Priscilla and they get off on fueling other people's hatred of Priscilla.
It's not difficult to understand. They want to believe the bad stuff is true so that they don't have to address their jealousy.

[Teddy]

Eureka! By Jove, I believe you have solved the mystery, Teddy!
All those who refuse to buy into the rewritten myth by Priscilla
Beaulieu are really only jealous, wishing they could be as conniving,
calculating, self-promoting and treacherous as that former beauty.
Thanks for setting us "haters" straight.:rolleyes:

I thought you knew?
Oh well- don't mention it. ;)

[Cherokee]

Certain people just love to hate Priscilla and they get off on fueling other people's hatred of Priscilla.
It's not difficult to understand. They want to believe the bad stuff is true so that they don't have to address their jealousy.


Oh God, ya gotta love those armchair psychologists!:lmfao:
At least you do have a sense of humor:rolleyes:
You could say the same in reverse for all those who
fall into the Beaulieu baloney: they want to believe
in her fairytales, after all a woman who used to be
so beautiful could not possibly be lying about anything!

[Teddy]

they want to believe
in her fairytales, after all a woman who used to be
so beautiful could not possibly be lying about anything!
Yeah, that's the bit I like. :D

Do you secretly think that Elvis should have married you instead?
I know that you do. ;)

[utmom2008]

Oh God, ya gotta love those armchair psychologists!:lmfao:
At least you do have a sense of humor:rolleyes:
You could say the same in reverse for all those who
fall into the Beaulieu baloney: they want to believe
in her fairytales, after all a woman who used to be
so beautiful could not possibly be lying about anything!

(y) :lol: (y) :lol: (y) :lol:



Do you secretly think that Elvis should have married you instead?
I know that you do. ;)

Well - HELLO! Next question please. ;);) :P :lol::lol:

[Cherokee]

Yeah, that's the bit I like. :D

Do you secretly think that Elvis should have married you instead?
I know that you do. ;)


Oh Gosh, more armchair psychologist babble:rolleyes:
Of course, if he'd married me he would have perfected
the picture of the pedophile Southern hick who marries
underage girls, especially if he'd still married in 1967 (when
I was TWO). Yep, he'd sure have given Jerry Lee Lewis
a run for his money.

[Teddy]

That's mischievously pedantic and a deliberate attempt to evade the point.
This armchair psychologist is left with no choice but to accept your flapping as an admission of guilt. :D ;)

[Unchained Melody]

That's mischievously pedantic and a deliberate attempt to evade the point.
This armchair psychologist is left with no choice but to accept your flapping as an admission of guilt. :D ;)

Wonder if there is a priscilla forum for her fans to gather at lol

[Teddy]

That's where I found out about this place! :lol:

[Cherokee]

That's mischievously pedantic and a deliberate attempt to evade the point.
This armchair psychologist is left with no choice but to accept your flapping as an admission of guilt. :D ;)

Yep, and that's the textbook nonsensical reply immune to logic that is mostly used by fantards of any celeb, in this case converts of the school of Beaulieu.;)

[Teddy]

Yep, and that's the textbook nonsensical reply immune to logic that is mostly used by fantards of any celeb, in this case converts of the school of Beaulieu.;)

No- it's a considered opinion which accounts quite adequately for logic and doesn't resort to casting insults.

[May]

That's where I found out about this place! :lol:

what i dont understand is as you are clearly a priscilla fan, and the majority of people here dislike her, why do you come on here? merely to annoy other people? is that your hobby? do you not work?

i also find myself asking, not just to you, but generally, would priscilla even have fans if she hadnt married elvis? no one would have heard of her. you cant tell me she would have got any of those 'acting' jobs if she hadnt had the presley name behind her. also i thought she, after the divorce, changed her name back to beaulieu? did she change it back again to presley after realising no one knew the name beaulieu and therefore she couldnt get a job

[May]

Err... it didn't actually happen and the whole thing is a jealous Cilla-hater's fantasy!?

oooooh i see. you were actually THERE. :yawn:

[Teddy]

what i dont understand is as you are clearly a priscilla fan, and the majority of people here dislike her, why do you come on here?

I'm a colossal Elvis fan too. I love both.
Don't really understand what the problem is.

The majority of people here dislike her?
I've spoken to lots of people here who think this infantile Priscilla-bashing is as pathetic as I do.
More significantly, it's very anti-Elvis.

Some of the hatred around here is pretty astonishing.

[Teddy]

oooooh i see. you were actually THERE. :yawn:

This has become like a TCB World catch phrase.
We've all read the same books, May. You just prefer to preach the fundamentalist version.

[May]

I'm a colossal Elvis fan too. I love both.
Don't really understand what the problem is.

The majority of people here dislike her?
I've spoken to lots of people here who think this infantile Priscilla-bashing is as pathetic as I do.
More significantly, it's very anti-Elvis.

Some of the hatred around here is pretty astonishing.

im sorry, i dont believe i even mentioned the word "hate". i do not "hate" anyone and for someone who ive not met and dont know to assume i hate another person i do not know, i find quite astonishing.

bit of a know-all arent you.

[May]

This has become like a TCB World catch phrase.
We've all read the same books, May. You just prefer to preach the fundamentalist version.

rather an immature thing to say in my opinion. what makes you think you know more than anyone else? you cannot state this did happen and this did not happen anymore than most of the Elvis fans out there. the word conceited springs to mind.

[May]

Oh Gosh, more armchair psychologist babble:rolleyes:
Of course, if he'd married me he would have perfected
the picture of the pedophile Southern hick who marries
underage girls, especially if he'd still married in 1967 (when
I was TWO). Yep, he'd sure have given Jerry Lee Lewis
a run for his money.



:laughing:

[Tommy]

Please stay on topic.

[ehollier]

I do believe that Elvis took responsibility for the failure of his marriage, at some point, saying that he didn't spend enough time with Priscilla, kept away from Vegas, encouraged her to find other interests. Those closest to him, with the exception of a few, have said this. I also wanted his family back after the divorce, which he repeatedly tried to accomplish after the divorce. Call this the Beaulieu fairytale, call this the MM lying to create all of this hatred, or call Elvis a liar -- but even if Elvis didn't say a thing, it was painfully apparent after his split with Priscilla, that it had a detrimental effect on his health, drug dependency, relationships with everyone around him. A person would have to be blind not to see this.

[Cherokee]

I do believe that Elvis took responsibility for the failure of his marriage, at some point, saying that he didn't spend enough time with Priscilla, kept away from Vegas, encouraged her to find other interests. Those closest to him, with the exception of a few, have said this. I also wanted his family back after the divorce, which he repeatedly tried to accomplish after the divorce. Call this the Beaulieu fairytale, call this the MM lying to create all of this hatred, or call Elvis a liar -- but even if Elvis didn't say a thing, it was painfully apparent after his split with Priscilla, that it had a detrimental effect on his health, drug dependency, relationships with everyone around him. A person would have to be blind not to see this.

Okay, now what do you want to believe? That some of the reasons why Beaulieu divorced him were his drug dependency, his extra marital affairs, his being away most of the time or that after he was left by Saint Beaulieu his life took a downward spiral with drug dependency, various (love) affairs and messed up relationships?:blink::rolleyes:

[Teddy]

after he was left by Saint Beaulieu his life took a downward spiral with drug dependency, various (love) affairs and messed up relationships?:blink::rolleyes:
His plight is plain to see.
Where do you go next when you've experienced The Golden V*g*n*?
You've seen the mountain top, baby.
The only way is down.
:lol:

[ehollier]

Okay, now what do you want to believe? That some of the reasons why Beaulieu divorced him were his drug dependency, his extra marital affairs, his being away most of the time or that after he was left by Saint Beaulieu his life took a downward spiral with drug dependency, various (love) affairs and messed up relationships?:blink::rolleyes:

Whether or not I want to believe these reasons, it is clearly documented in the 100's of books that have been written about his life, that after his separation and divorce from Saint Priscilla, his life was clearly a downward spiral....

[Cherokee]

His plight is plain to see.
Where do you go next when you've experienced The Golden V*g*n*?
You've seen the mountain top, baby.
The only way is down.
:lol:

Or you're traumatized for life!:P

[Cherokee]

Whether or not I want to believe these reasons, it is clearly documented in the 100's of books that have been written about his life, that after his separation and divorce from Saint Priscilla, his life was clearly a downward spiral....

Let me try to clarify: Beaulieu claimed those as the main reasons why she left the building. Yet, there are those who claim he didn't get out of control until AFTER she deserted him...... If a person is a student at the school of the Holy Deceptive Saint of Beaulieu, one can't have both, but must choose one or the other, otherwise not all the dots in her tale as innocent, well doing victim connect......:hmm:

[franny]

what i dont understand is as you are clearly a priscilla fan, and the majority of people here dislike her, why do you come on here? merely to annoy other people? is that your hobby? do you not work?

That is rude and uncalled for..(n)...Everyone has a right to their opinion. as that is what everyone is posting, opinions!

franny

[Diane]

I have to agree with Franny. A poster shouldn't let themselves be goaded into posting rude remarks. Everyone IS entitled to their opinions. If you don't agree and can't answer if for nothing else self respect, don't answer.

Diane

[franny]

Gosh what a dull answer. Oops is that too rude .:yawn:

As far as your question "have what both ways" - I stated my opinion, which in your opinion was too rude. Then you went on to say "people are allowed to state opinions" err which is what I was doing. Ergo you cant have it both ways.

Yes, people can say if they like or dislike Priscilla. That I dont care about. I was merely pointing out the fact that Teddy had intentionally come on here to annoy Elvis fans. Therefore prompting my question about it being his hobby.


If my answer is dull, why are you replying to it...again your being rude!

Re-read my first post to you..Where did I say you can't post your opinion? You were insulting another member, nothing more.

If, you can't answer without being rude, then don't reply...It's that simple.

Have a nice day,
franny

[May]

Hardly insulting. I suggest you re-read my posts. I think you are seeing something that isnt there.

[Sonny]

I'm sorry, warning May several times resulted in a temporary ban.

Sonny

[Brian]

Wow May got banned for that. over on the Fecc forum I've seen a lot worse people actually curse each other out and put other people down in a more negative way. We were talking about Bo Diddley and I made a comment that I liked Bo Diddley and I liked some of his records but to me most of his records sound the same that's my opinion. Well this poster BC55 read my comments and called me an ignorant person and that I should go out and buy some Bo Diddley records. First of all I have all heard Bo Diddley's greatest hits if I didn't I wouldn't be commenting. I replied back to him that it was just my opinion, that he didn't have to agree with me and that he was being a jerk about it. He reported me to the moderator for saying he was being a jerk to me about this. He can dish it but he can't take it apparently. The moderator did nothing to me or him as I knew he wouldn't. An observation I have made about this message board is that it is a lot more peaceful.

Does anyone here think most of Bo Diddley's records sound the same?

anyway back on the subject of Elvis and Priscilla's marriage i think it was neithers fault it ended. I blame Colonel Parker for it, it was his fault.

[Sonny]

Why not start a Bo Diddley thread in off topic? Cool!

And all we want is people to discuss everything, and not get personal in a nasty way.

True, back on topic :D

Sonny

[MissyM]

anyway back on the subject of Elvis and Priscilla's marriage i think it was neithers fault it ended. I blame Colonel Parker for it, it was his fault
________________
What is the reasoning behind your thinking so?? Sorry if you have already explained.

[Brian]

anyway back on the subject of Elvis and Priscilla's marriage i think it was neithers fault it ended. I blame Colonel Parker for it, it was his fault
________________
What is the reasoning behind your thinking so?? Sorry if you have already explained.

I was joking most fans do blame Colonel Parker for everything that they think went wrong with Elvis career and some fans blame colonel Parker for Elvis failed marriage.

I really think that if Elvis and her had spent more time together, alone just the two of them and Elvis allowed her to go on tour with him and go to Vegas more often they would have stayed married longer (a few more years), I do think they would have divorced eventually anyways because Elvis was a celebrity that traveled a lot and that would eventually break them up as it's hard to keep a marriage like that together until death do you part, very few have accomplished it in showbusiness . Paul Newman and Mel Gibson seem to be on the right track though.

[Diane]

I like Bo Diddley and was sad at his passing, but yes Brian, his material was not as varied as Elvis'.

Diane

[utmom2008]

Okay, now what do you want to believe? That some of the reasons why Beaulieu divorced him were his drug dependency, his extra marital affairs, his being away most of the time or that after he was left by Saint Beaulieu his life took a downward spiral with drug dependency, various (love) affairs and messed up relationships?:blink::rolleyes:


Let me try to clarify: Beaulieu claimed those as the main reasons why she left the building. Yet, there are those who claim he didn't get out of control until AFTER she deserted him...... If a person is a student at the school of the Holy Deceptive Saint of Beaulieu, one can't have both, but must choose one or the other, otherwise not all the dots.

Pris has left the building, but she took the name with her.;);) :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Donut]

Let me try to clarify: Beaulieu claimed those as the main reasons why she left the building.

I thought no one would notice :lol: she says one of the reasons for leaving him was his pill taking was out of control as soon as the early 70´s.

[utmom2008]

I thought no one would notice :lol: she says one of the reasons for leaving him was his pill taking was out of control as soon as the early 70´s.

And one BIG reason for leaving was an ugly karate teacher with a 3 foot high afro.;);):lol::P:lol:

[Donut]

And one BIG reason for leaving was an ugly karate teacher with a 3 foot high afro.;);):lol::P:lol:

Don´t undersetimate him... we don´t know what he had under that karate suit. She said he made him feel like a woman for the first time :lol:

[Donut]

Pris has left the building, but she took the name with her.;);) :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Yeah and correct me if I´m wrong but, didn´t she took with her in a way Elvis´ back catalogue too? The one EPE and Lisa for that matter don´t own now? :lol:

[utmom2008]

Don´t undersetimate him... we don´t know what he had under that karate suit. She said he made him feel like a woman for the first time :lol:
There is no telling what kind of moves and holds he was putting on her.;) :supriced: He must have had some hidden talents, but even at that I would have had to put a sack over that face. She literally went from one end of the spectrum to the other. She left the Beauty so that she could go be with the Beast!;);)


Yeah and correct me if I´m wrong but, didn´t she took with her in a way Elvis´ back catalogue too? The one EPE and Lisa for that matter don´t own now? :lol:

Basically everything prior to '73 I believe. In the end, what she did was screw her own daughter out of future earnings. Such a sweet motherlystunt to pull.;);) :blink::blink:

[utmom2008]

Don´t undersetimate him... we don´t know what he had under that karate suit. She said he made him feel like a woman for the first time :lol:

Ohhhhh....that truly was a hidden talent!!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Donut]

Ohhhhh....that truly was a hidden talent!!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Cool I can go to bed now because I see you finally got it :lol:

[utmom2008]

Cool I can go to bed now because I see you finally got it :lol:

You can dream about ugly men with giant hair-do's, and how they make themselves feel like women.:lol: WAIT!!! That would be a nightmare, right?:lmfao:

[Getlo]

We were talking about Bo Diddley and I made a comment that I liked Bo Diddley and I liked some of his records but to me most of his records sound the same that's my opinion. Does anyone here think most of Bo Diddley's records sound the same?

:offtopic: but I have to agree with you here. I like Diddley's stuff, but to me that "Bo Diddley beat" makes all of his main hits sound pretty much the same. He didn't have as much variety in his music as Elvis and various others ...

[Tommy]

OK back on topic.

[utmom2008]

Well....we could blame this pair. They seemed to get the ball rolling so to speak.....:lol:


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[Merry]

Hello Rosie,

Any idea how old this photo of Ann and Paul is?

Take care,
Kim

[utmom2008]

Hello Rosie,

Any idea how old this photo of Ann and Paul is?

Take care,
Kim

Hey Kimmi....I can't remember the exact date,:doh: but it's been within the last 12 months.

[Merry]

LOL, that's close enough, thank you.

[mistymorning]

I thought no one would notice :lol: she says one of the reasons for leaving him was his pill taking was out of control as soon as the early 70´s.

I think in that condition a loving wife should stay and help her husband not just to think of her walefare and comfort and to make herself low because of lack of exual relationship and etc. Don't you all think Elvis deserved a more loving and caring wife ?Maybe she was not a woman of hard days !

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Basically everything prior to '73 I believe. In the end, what she did was screw her own daughter out of future earnings. Such a sweet motherlystunt to pull.;);) :blink::blink:

I don't see them going hungry! They are still plundering from Elvis' legacy (n)

[Donut]

I don't see them going hungry! They are still plundering from Elvis' legacy (n)

Nor now neither when he died. She was getting big money from him when they divorced,a house to live in, cars... even though when you see her talk of how little he had when he died and how worried she was for that I have to stop myself from going out in the street and collect money for her.
If she was so worried for the future she should have made arrangements for her daughter while her ex-husband was loading her bank account. A child is a mother and father responsability.

[Cherokee]

Nor now neither when he died. She was getting big money from him when they divorced,a house to live in, cars... even though when you see her talk of how little he had when he died and how worried she was for that I have to stop myself from going out in the street and collect money for her.
If she was so worried for the future she should have made arrangements for her daughter while her ex-husband was loading her bank account. A child is a mother and father responsability.

You know what also never ceases to amaze me about how Beaulieu presents herself? She was the poor mother, married to an irresponsible man who only cared about his own pleasures and did bad stuff like have extra marital affairs, get addicted to (prescription) drugs, live his life upside down, not having enough quality time with his only child and spoiling her to hell when he did have time with her. Thus she divorced him and, as she always claims, tried to raise Lisa like a normal child. She practically had Lisa alone with her from about age 4, 5 at most.
Yet, Lisa ends up a 9th grade drop-out who is already experimenting with drugs as a (pre-) teen and, as she herself later confessed, with sex, too. And how about Navarone Garibaldi, Beaulieus invisible son with Marco Garibaldi? He's into drugs, as well!!!! Now what kind of record is that, for such a "good" mother?:blink:(n)
Now don't some of you come with the excuse that poor Lisa lost her father at age 9 and is still traumatized by it. You can look up earlier posts of mine in which I relate about people I know who'd lost their parents at much earlier ages and under much more traumatizing circumstances, yet all grew up to be decent, upstanding, responsible and clean adults.
Besides: Navarone DID have his father there well into his teenage years and even now.
So, what are your thoughts on it?

[Donut]

Wishing you good luck for the next 10 posts or so Cherokee :lmfao:

[MojoElvis]

In my opinion it wasn't much of a marriage at all. It was all about money from Priscilla's side and it was all about losing her to Mike Stone on Elvis' part. He just didn't like being publicly embarrassed that way, Other than, wanting to give his daughther a "normal" home life, I believe that bothered him too. If Cilla came back to him he probably would've told her to get lost.
From what I've read and watching her on TV, she has zero personality witch leads me to believe she was just arm candy for Elvis.

[Cherokee]

Wishing you good luck for the next 10 posts or so Cherokee :lmfao:

Hehe, well, are you too afraid to shine your light on it?
After all, we all are free to post our OPINIONS, right? ;)

[TotallyInsane]

A lot times it doesn't matter what kind of parents kids have - they get into drugs!! I do not believe in blaming parents - at some point you have to be responsible for the things you've done to screw up. However, there are times when you can see why kids went the wrong way. In Lisa's case, she was basically parentless after her daddy died and she was a very sad and angry child.

[Donut]

Hehe, well, are you too afraid to shine your light on it?
After all, we all are free to post our OPINIONS, right? ;)

LOL no, I´m not. It´s just I have discussed this many times before. And yes we are all free to post our opinions ;)

[Cherokee]

LOL no, I´m not. It´s just I have discussed this many times before. And yes we are all free to post our opinions ;)

Yeah, so have I, but those threads are so old I think they may have fallen off the board!

[Donut]

Yeah, so have I, but those threads are so old I think they may have fallen off the board!

Oh I see, just in case someone forgot it :lol:. Don´t worry, if people stop talking about her, Priscilla Beaulieu Presley Garibaldi will be here for a long time to remeber us she once married Elvis Presley.

[Diane]

I agree you can't always blame the parents for children getting into drugs as peer pressure in the teen years is very strong.

But if Lisa had had a parent that was more aware of what she was up to and was around her more things might have gone differently.

Diane

[TotallyInsane]

I agree you can't always blame the parents for children getting into drugs as peer pressure in the teen years is very strong.

But if Lisa had had a parent that was more aware of what she was up to and was around her more things might have gone differently.

Diane

That's what I meant by saying I thought she was pretty much "parentless" during those critical years...Pris was too busy with her business and boys to guide her through the tempting teenage years.

[presley31]

I agree you can't always blame the parents for children getting into drugs as peer pressure in the teen years is very strong.

But if Lisa had had a parent that was more aware of what she was up to and was around her more things might have gone differently.

Diane

I have my doubts about that diane, elvis was poppping pills when gladys was alive so it really doesn't matter what kind of parents you have to begin with and Lisa i think that was her way of not facing her problems and also getting back at priscilla.

[ehollier]

I agree you can't always blame the parents for children getting into drugs as peer pressure in the teen years is very strong.

But if Lisa had had a parent that was more aware of what she was up to and was around her more things might have gone differently.

Diane

Agreed Diane. Also, Lisa's formative years were during the early 80's, too and in Los Angeles when drugs were very much a part of the culture during this time.

[presley31]

Agreed Diane. Also, Lisa's formative years were during the early 80's, too and in Los Angeles when drugs were very much a part of the culture during this time.

I remember Lisa saying in a interview there was drugs everywhere and had no problem gettting them. the thing l don't understand is why would she get hooked with drugs after seeing her father lose his life at a early age??

[Diane]

Don't know Jen, kids at that age don't look at things like that. They're too busy going about the business of interacting with friends and trying to grow up.

What I meant about if Priscilla had been around and more aware of Lisa during that time that Lisa might not have had such a hard time emotionally and might not have gotten into as much trouble as she did. Kids need to feel loved and respected and I think you're right, part of why she did what she did was to get her mother's attention. It's also very possible that Lisa blamed Priscilla for the breakup of the marriage and family.

Diane

[presley31]

I would like to know more about this piece of interview, cause Lisa didn't get on with her mother at all so its alittle strange hearing Lia defend her mother on rasing her.

Andrew Denton: Do you look back on her as a single mum and think wow, that was, you did a pretty good job?



Lisa Marie Presley: I do, I do. Especially because she was young raising me. You know she started, she, when you're younger and you have children you grow up with them, or you tend to, still. When you have them later in life you tend to have it together a little more. So I have to give her credit for trying to find herself and growing up with me.

[ehollier]

Its very difficult to understand the workings of a teenage mind, the range of emotions, reasoning, and logic is certainly not what an adult experiences. Peer pressure combined with past experiences fuel many emotions when you are a teenager. I've heard Lisa Marie say, with remorse, that looking back, she was terrible.

[presley31]

Does anybody know when lisa started drugs? wsn't it 16 or 17?

"I haven't taken drugs since I was eighteen,.. from lisa interview.

[presley31]

Daughter of Elvis, ex-wife of Michael Jackson -- you better believe she has a story to tell. In a no-holds-barred interview, she speaks about her three marriages, her dad and her crush on Darth Vader

By Chris Heath

There's no reason to be careful anymore," explains Lisa Marie Presley, "because everything is in that record. It's frustrating, sitting with all this for years and years, not having said a word. I want it understood where I'm coming from." Thirty-five years in a world that has bombarded her with its views of who she is, who she was and who she should be; thirty-five years of a scrutiny that began before her eyes even opened for the first time; thirty-five years as the daughter of the first and most famous rock star of them all; thirty-five years trying to navigate the gilded but treacherous path life has offered her . . . and now Lisa Marie Presley is about to release her first album, To Whom It May Concern. "You want to know who I am, and what I am, it's in here," she says. "This is how either ****ed up I am, or crazy or deranged or stupid or whatever you want to call it. This is me, and it's from me, and that's the only reason I did it."

For most of these years she has avoided talking in public. (There was, of course, the very surreal live TV interview with Diane Sawyer alongside her second husband, Michael Jackson, but we will get to all of that.) Now, having found a reason to speak, Lisa Marie Presley turns out to be the kind of woman who doesn't mince words or glide evasively over the tricky areas. After thirty-five years of biting her tongue, if she's going to talk, then she'd rather convey her truth as it really is, not some carefully sanitized version of it. But first . . .

"No, no, no! Out! Out!" she cries, breaking off our handshake as we are introduced at her house in a gated community north of Los Angeles, just before Christmas. There is a peacock crisis. She moves toward the back door, crouched, with her hands in front of her, ushering the Presleys' pet peacock back outside. "Peacock in the house," she announces, unnecessarily, then makes us both tea.

She is wearing a 1982 Blue Oyster Cult tour T-shirt over a long-sleeve undershirt. In the background, Beck's Sea Change plays; as dusk draws in, the Verve's Urban Hymns will follow. I haven't expected to be disconcerted by the way she looks, but just for the first few minutes, I am. Her resemblance to her father is more striking and extreme in the flesh than in photos. There is something confounding about seeing these over-familiar but unanchored, iconic features hovering above real shoulders, alive and in motion.

I am also somewhat surprised to learn that, as we talk, her first husband, Danny Keough, is in the next room, home-schooling their two kids, Danielle, 13, and Ben, 10. (The children are currently in between schools.) Soon, Keough and the children wander in. The kids are still giggling in the wake of their lesson about the pharaohs, which seems to have deteriorated toward its end due to the semi-homophonous nature of the words sphinx and sphincter. Keough shrugs. "I'm competing with videos, man, and video games," he points out. He seems down-to-earth and friendly, and we compare notes about favorite British sitcoms. ("He's my absolute best friend in the world," Lisa Marie will tell me later. "The smartest thing I've ever done is have children with this man, because I knew this is the one man I could be connected to for the rest of my life.")

After a while we move outside, even though it is cold and windy, so that Presley can smoke. She won't smoke indoors. "Just because I've got a disgusting habit, it doesn't mean I need to inundate my children with it." She's smoked since she was fifteen; she was addicted before anyone told her that cigarettes were bad for you. "I haven't taken drugs since I was eighteen, but this is the one thing that got me and bit me in the *** that I can't shake," she says. The longest she has ever stopped has been three weeks. "I'm ready to quit, but I don't know how, yet."

Keough takes Ben to the dentist, and so Danielle comes outside to join us. She curls up next to her mother. Presley doesn't avoid difficult subjects in front of her daughter. In fact, her daughter frequently chips in, often to tease her mother. The peacock comes by, and Lisa Marie explains that it is a female named Honky. They also have three dogs.Presley mentions that she used to have peacocks at Graceland. "But I was terrible," she adds. "I used to chase them around on my golf cart."

"Like the frogs?" says Danielle, giggling.

"Shhh," chides Presley, genuinely put out. I press for an explanation.

"No," she says. "Nothing. I was a demented child."

"Can I tell?" asks Danielle.

"Go ahead," sighs Presley, resigned.

"She ran over the frogs with the golf cart. On purpose."

"It was an absolute accident," insists Presley. "My friends would place them there. I didn't know it. It was terrible."

"What is wrong with you?" teases her daughter.

"A lot," she sighs.

Young kids do that stuff, I say.

Danielle giggles. "She was a different kind of young kid," says Danielle.

Lisa Marie Presley was born on February 1st, 1968. Her parents, Elvis and Priscilla, were together until she was four; after that, she lived with her mother in Los Angeles but would regularly visit her father, usually at Graceland. Her first single, "Lights Out," reflects on this heritage: "I was crying every time I'd leave you, and then I didn't want to see you. . . . I still keep my watch two hours behind." That's what she did; leave her watch set to time in Tennessee, a habit that stuck for years after her father's death.

When she was young, she lived through her eight or so Barbies. "They'd have their lives concurrently with mine and I somehow lost myself," she says. "I loved being in that world. I mean, I was a very forlorn child. I don't know why. I know that I was deep and kind of heavy and people thought I was really sad. I think I was just a little too deep for my own pants at a young age."

As well as the Barbies, she had a Snoopy that she'd dress up and take to school. "I didn't really have any friends, so I would have him be my friend," she says. "He lasted for years. His nose fell off, and I sewed it back on. He was so dirty, and somebody finally threw him away." (Presley still has three Snoopys in her bedroom and likes to sleep with one of them in the absence of a child or a partner.)

Then there was music. Always music. In the few weeks before we first speak, Presley has been putting her first-ever band together: for TV appearances, maybe live concerts, and simply to make sure that she can do this, because until now she never has. Her mother came down to one rehearsal. "She was getting really emotional," says Lisa Marie. "She said, 'I'm getting this flashback of you when you were three or four. You wouldn't play with anybody. You wouldn't go out. You would just sit in your room with a little record player and all your 45s stacked up.' " Lisa Marie remembers it all: hiding away, listening to music or singing to herself in front of the mirror with a microphone. "My dad would catch me," she says. "I'm sure he got a kick out of it. He'd put me up on the coffee table in front of everybody and make me sing."

Presumably everyone clapped?

"I think so."

Did that mean a lot to you?

"I don't know. I think I was more into making him proud. I was doing it for him."

She loved her father's music. "I was always excited if I was on tour with him," she remembers. "When he'd come on, I would just lose it . . . you know."

But there were others fighting for her affection as a fan. She favored David and Shaun Cassidy, as well as Elton John. "One Christmas I asked for Elton John albums," she says, "and my dad was sitting there when I opened them up and was, 'Who the hell is this son of a *****?' and walked out. And then he got some of the records -- 'Who is my daughter interested in besides me?' -- and I think he went to see him live, to check out who he was."

Presley plays her father's records sometimes. "I get in certain moods and I will," she says. "I'm more prone to the Seventies stuff, because I was around then. They bring back more memories. The sad ones, I get into -- the dark ones that weren't particularly a hit on the radio. 'Mary in the Morning.' 'In the Ghetto.' 'Just Pretend.' 'Solitaire.' Those I love."

As a child, Presley lived two lives: one of discipline around her mother, and one that perhaps echoed the adult undercurrents of loneliness and indulgence at Graceland. "There was nobody looking after me, and everyone was afraid of my dad, and he was sleeping. So if that was the case, I was a tyrant. . . . If he was sleeping, which he mostly was during the day, I could do whatever until I was ordered to his room if I pushed it too far. I was awful. People would give me cameras to go and take pictures, and I'd take money and I'd say I was going to take a picture of my dad, and then I'd throw the camera somewhere. I was awful. The fans were always in the trees in the woods and getting me to come over to the fence when I'd be in my golf cart, and [I] would do stuff and throw things. It was weird, because sometimes I'd be playing and I'd hear basically a call to arms -- 'someone jumped the fence' -- and they were always jumping the fence, and I was definitely afraid: whether they were coming after me, or they'd say, 'Hi, I'm Priscilla, and I'm ready to have my dinner,' and it was a man. There was all kinds of crazy stuff going on."

As she tells me this, we are sitting outside in the dark and cold, around the back of her house. ("Robert Blake built this house in the Seventies when he was doing Baretta," she notes.) There is a rustling and a dark flash of motion across the garden.

"That," she says, "was a rat."

There is a further rustling above us and, high up there, I can see against the nearly black sky a silhouette of Honky on a branch, directly over us.

"Which means," she says, "we are a target, and we should probably move."

In the kitchen, Danielle asks whether they are going to Rob Zombie's Christmas party tomorrow. Rob Zombie is one of their friends. "He's a sweetheart," Presley says. "He and his wife, Sheri." They met though one of her closest friends, Johnny Ramone, about whom she says, "I think we're both pretty no-bullshit, and we don't put up any fronts." She laughs and adds, "We're irritable assholes, really." She didn't even know any Ramones records until after they'd met. "I was into the Sex Pistols and Devo and all that stuff when I was a teen, but I didn't get into the Ramones. I had a huge crush on Sid Vicious."

Your taste in men . . . , I sigh.

"I know," she says. "If you lined up all the men I've been with in a row, you'd think that I was completely psychotic."

Presley knows that the world has never thought about her in quite the same way since her second marriage, her 1994 union with Michael Jackson. She is infuriated by this and by the notion that she wanted anything else out of it other than those things most people hope for in a marriage. "All I did get out of it was a shit storm," she says. "And I got out of it. Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma."

She says that Jackson first tried to get in touch with her when she was a teenager. She got a message through her lawyer -- "He wants to meet you; he thinks you're very pretty" -- but she blew it off: "I was completely in love with Danny, and I thought he was weird, and I had no interest in meeting him."

A few years later a friend called and said that Jackson wanted to hear a demo she had made. She wasn't interested in being on his label but was persuaded it would at least be good manners to take the meeting. They were introduced at the friend's house, and that is how it started.

"He was very real with me off the bat. He immediately went into this whole explanation of what he knew people thought of him and what the truth was."

Which was persuasive?

"Yeah. You get sucked into the 'you poor, misunderstood person, you.' I'm a sucker for that. Then we sat down to talk, and he was so not what I thought he was. He was very real -- he was cursing, he was funny, and I was like, 'Wow. . . .' I fell into that 'You have this whole Howard Hughes thing that goes on in the press, and you're not anything like that.' "

But why wouldn't he want people to know that?

"I don't know. I think it worked for him to manipulate that image for a little while. The hyperbaric chamber thing and all that monkey shit and the elephant shit. It made him mysterious, and I think he thought that was cool. But then it backfired, like it always does.

"I was always saying, 'People wouldn't think I was so crazy if they saw who the hell you really are: that you sit around and you drink and you curse and you're ****ing funny, and you have a bad mouth, and you don't have that high voice all the time. I don't know why you think that works for you, because it doesn't anymore.' "

After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. "That whole shit hit the fan," Presley recalls, "and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing." She frowns wryly. "I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason. It's very strange, because there's not a lot of people who he'll allow to see who he really is -- there's probably only five or six people, not including kids, who have seen who he really is. But when you do . . . " She smiles. "He didn't get where he is because he's an *****. You see a real person who's very much the opposite of what he was presenting." Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. "I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing," she says. "I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together." She pauses. "OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world."

At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. "He called me a lot," she says. "Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life."

When you say "courting," do you mean as between any boy and girl?

"Yeah. Flowers. Calls. Candies. You name it . . . everything started coming."

I think people are still pretty incredulous at the idea that you had any kind of normal married relationship with him.

"Right."

But I presume that is the case.

"That is the case. Like I said, I got caught up in this thing of 'it was all a show.' That was my first experience with being accused of that, which was shocking for me."

But, to be clear, is it fair to say that in private you were doing all the things that married people do: kissing, going to bed together, having sex?

"Yeah. That was part of it, for a while. And then it became the Def Con 2. It just got really ugly at the end."

Before that, when it was good, was it your understanding that that was what he wanted?

A pause. "I don't know what he wanted anymore. I know that it looks very timely for him, in retrospect -- the record was coming out, that other shit was happening, and I was too caught up in . . . " She stops, and recasts the thought. "I can tell you my intentions; I can't tell you what his were."

News of their union leaked out slowly -- of a marriage in the Dominican Republic in May 1994, first denied, then confirmed. Their first surreal public appearance was opening the 1994 MTV Video Music Awards, during which -- as they stood center stage -- Jackson kissed her fully on the lips.

"That was not my idea, by the way," she says. "I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine."

It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.

"Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened."

Even stranger and more astonishing was the interview the married couple gave to Diane Sawyer in 1995, in which Presley steadfastly defended her husband, the genuineness of their relationship and his character.

"I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it," she says. "I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's."

People are still confused by Michael Jackson's love of a certain kind of relationship with young kids, whether it's totally innocent or not. And you made a huge defense in the Diane Sawyer interview of how you watched him with kids and how it was all totally innocent. Is that what you think on reflection?

"The only thing I can say is that I didn't see anything that would ever allude to that ever. Otherwise I would have been the first one out there going, 'You mother****er.' I've got children. But I never saw anything like that. I meant what I said when I said it, because I didn't see anything weird or bizarre like that ever. And I did notice that he had an amazing connection to kids, whether it be a small baby or a two-year-old girl or a four-year-old -- children really responded to him."

Back then did you ever worry or even think whether there could be any truth in what he was accused of?

"Did I ever worry? Of course I ****ing worried. Yeah. I did. But I could only come up with what he told me. The only two people that were in the room was him and that kid, so how the hell was I going to know? I could only go off what he told me."

And what do you think now?

She purses her lips. "I don't know. I still don't know. I wasn't there. I never saw anything else that could possibly lead to that. And there's two sides of it. There's the side of the dad. Why would the dad take the ****ing money? If I had a kid and he was molested, I would ****ing take that guy and hang him by his balls off a tree and let him sit there and die like that. Nobody could buy me, ever, if my child were molested. **** that. I don't care if I didn't have a penny -- I would take his *** down in front of everybody."

She says, by way of recap, this: "I understand it did affect people's perception of me. That's fine; I understand why. But I did fall in love with him. I can't say what his intentions were, but I can tell you mine was that I absolutely fell in love with him and fell into this whole thing which I'm not proud of now."

Do you rule out that he fell in love with you?

"As much as he can, possibly. I don't know how much he can access love, really. I think as much as he can love somebody he might have loved me. It was always like a mind that was constantly working. It was a scary thing -- somebody who's constantly at work, calculating, calculating, manipulating. And he scared me like that."

Lisa Marie Presley has been edging toward making a record for a very long time. She has had a recording studio in every house she has lived in as an adult. When she was about eighteen, she took her first steps. Until then she would sing in the car, but that was it. She was nervous about what she had every reason to be nervous about. "The comparison," she says. "That."

But at about twenty-one, she started writing songs; the first, "Give Me Strength," was about the fear of dying she had developed since becoming a young mother. Her music then was dark, old-school R&B. She was about to sign a record deal with Sony when she got pregnant again. "I freaked out," she recalls. "I wasn't ready for it." So she put music to one side.

Two circumstances led her back to the microphone. First was what she matter-of-factly refers to as "my father's twentieth death anniversary" in 1997. As her father's sole heir, and head of Elvis Presley Enterprises, it was her duty to be part of memorial events but, she says, "I was sick of just walking around, going 'hi' and smiling." She was in the bathroom of a jet flying from New York to Florida when the idea hit her: She would record a vocal to be interpolated with her father's on one of his Seventies hits, "Don't Cry Daddy," and she would get producer David Foster (who had masterminded Natalie Cole's duet with her deceased father) to put it together.

It was never intended for release. Instead, on August 16th, 1997, it was played in front of 9,000 people as the soundtrack to a quickly made video in which she and her father were superimposed. Foster was impressed enough to tell her she should start making records. She had started writing songs again, anyway, as she emerged from an extended period of ill health and depression following her split from Jackson. "Probably the worst, most stressful time in my ****ing life," she says. "I started writing again to get rid of that one. It was me trying to untangle from this shit storm that I'd got myself into." To begin with, every song was about what she had just been through; slowly her scope broadened, though not her dark take on the world.

Foster's lawyer introduced her to Glen Ballard, best known for his work with Alanis Morissette; Presley played him "these very dark, wretched, treacherous, melancholic demos," and he signed her to his label with Capitol. She nearly completed an album with him three years ago, but then Ballard left and she decided to stay on Capitol. But she worried that the songs were not edgy enough, and some were recorded over and over again until they satisfied her. "I'm sick of these songs," she says, but she's also quite obviously very proud that she has created something that really addresses her life. "I respond to people when they're honest," she says. "I don't respond to the bullshit, and I don't want to put bullshit out there. The album is me raw and who I am."

One evening, we go for dinner at a modern Chinese restaurant she favors on her occasional evenings out and where Micky Dolenz is dining at the next table. We are joined by Paige Dorian, her assistant and friend of eight years, and another friend, Luke Watson, whom she has known since she was twenty and who has been documenting her recent life on film. Both seem smart, funny and normal. "They live my life with me," Presley says, taking the wine list. When she drinks, she likes to drink well. She chooses a 1982 Chateau Haut Brion. She chats about Fear Factor, favorite comedians (Eddie Izzard, George Carlin), the time she sang a karaoke version of "Hotel California," her most recent CD purchases (old ones by Journey and Alice in Chains; the new Tori Amos), her teenage adventures exploring Europe by train on a Eurail pass and her recurring nightmares that she is choking. She takes a call from her son, who wants to know why she isn't home yet, and she reassures him.

It is during dessert that she mentions her crush on Darth Vader. "I was obsessed with him," she says. This was only about five years ago, when her son got into Star Wars. Instead of hogging his toys, she got her own. She had a Darth Vader watch and a small Vader on her office desk that, upon the press of a button, would gesticulate with his light saber and tell her, "Impressive, most impressive -- but you're not a Jedi yet." She also dressed up as Vader one Halloween. When I quiz her in further detail about all this, the conversation takes several strange turns.

He didn't even have a proper mouth!

"Well, I wasn't thinking that deep into it. That whole black dark thing I liked: the cape, the voice, the breathing, the whole thing."

The voice? The breathing? You imagined the two of you running away together?

"God, I wish. I just wished he was real."

Have you now moved away from the dark side?

"No. Never. God, I hope not." She considers a moment: "You know, I'm sure it's connected in some weird way to the grandness and the bigness of an earlier loss in my life. Some sort of representation of this grand, powerful . . . not dark and evil . . . but this thing in my life that went away. And maybe it's some twisted ****ing way to try and replace that." She shrugs. "If you want to get down to the psychology of it."

What is the grand, powerful thing? Your father?

"Yeah."

So do you think Darth Vader is? . . .

"No. I'm talking about somebody in my eyes that was, to me, so overwhelmingly grand and powerful -- and sometimes dark, depending on mood. And there was that for the first nine years of my life. Maybe I have been in search of something like that. It's very hard to compete with that in my mind. That's what he was to me as a child -- this huge, electrifyingly powerful, grand, beautiful presence. It's like a lost duckling who walks around looking for that; I'm not really doing that, but I guess in some weird kind of psychological bullshit, that could be what's going on."

The unfolding story of Lisa Marie Presley's life has been told -- albeit in what its subject would regard as a contorted, distant, sensationalized, trivialized and often fictional way -- in America's tabloids since before she could read. "I'm a tabloid queen. . . princess . . . whatever you want to call me," she says. And, though she wishes she could say otherwise, she usually does look at what they have to say about her.

"Unfortunately. Because I want to know what people are thinking when they see me." Taking the few facts they know and others they imagine to be true, the tabloids picture her life as following the narrative they expect for, and impose upon, those they consider the aimless children of the famous: rampant drug addiction, weird religious faith, ludicrous eccentricity and catastrophic relationships.

That, quite obviously, is not a life she recognizes as hers. Take, for example, her -- as they would have it -- wild and desperate drug years. "I did drugs for four years of my life, from thirteen to seventeen," she says, "and they like to make it like I had this big drug-addiction problem. I was never addicted to anything. I was just on self-destructo mode. It was very simple and not abnormal for what a teenager does. I just went on a rampage." (To be specific: "I did everything but mushrooms and heroin. Those were two things I didn't take. Thank God. Or crack. That wasn't really happening then.")

I ask her whether, when she did drugs herself, she related it in any way to what had happened to her father.

"No," she says. "I was a teenager. I didn't think like that. Maybe it was to scare the hell out of my mother, if anything. You know, I was trying to be dramatic -- 'I'm a tortured teenager.' I was really into showing her how not happy I was."

The same tabloids would also have you believe that Presley was rescued from drugs -- in what they frame as an out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire kind of way -- by Scientology. She says that she actually took to her religion at the end of her teens in a far more gradual way, based on seeds sown when she was ten and she and her mother visited her crush-of-the-moment John Travolta on the set of Welcome Back, Kotter. She talks of her religion at length, easily and openly, neither proselytizing nor being defensive, and scoffs at the notion that she could ever be manipulated by it. "If you know anything about my personality" -- she laughs -- "you'll know that's not possible." She says that she recently went to the Scientology center in Los Angeles for the first time in months; her first visit since her third marriage publicly disintegrated. "I said, 'See what happens? You've got to keep me on a leash -- I'll embarrass you and everybody else.' "

This most recent marriage, to Nicolas Cage, is the one subject Presley is reluctant to discuss. "It's still hanging on a thread, and I'm not sure what's going on, and I'd rather not talk about it just because of that," she says. They dated through most of 2001, then split in January 2002. After reuniting, they were quickly married on August 10th, 2002. On November 23rd, they went to the premiere of Cage's film Adaptation; on November 25th, Cage filed papers to end the marriage, citing "irreconcilable differences" and issuing a statement that said, "I did not talk about the marriage and I am not going to talk about the divorce. But I loved her." Almost immediately, Presley issued her own statement: "I'm sad about this, but we shouldn't have been married in the first place. It was a big mistake."

There are songs on her album that may well relate to Cage. "Gone," for instance, is a song that she wrote around a year ago about what she was going through at the time "and nothing beyond that point I will confirm or deny." It is a song about a man (emphatically not her father) whose female partners call him "Daddy" and who has just been left by the singer of the song: "And what's that I hear now, Daddy, you're blaming it all on me/Another she did you wrong and of course you had to leave/And the yes men will agree/You gave it everything." (I ask what the person it was written about thought of it. "That it was a great song," she says, "but that obviously it was an annihilation, a direct attack, and that it wasn't very nice." I further ask what she thinks now of the opinions she expresses in the song. "It's absolutely accurate on all fronts," she says.)

She does tolerate some nosiness:

How can two people be at a premiere one night and be announcing a split barely twenty-four hours later?

She raises her eyebrows. "Temper tantrum?"

On whose part?

"Whose do you think? Who filed for divorce? Hothead. He did."

You're aware that the favored over-arching tabloid belief about the whole union is that, as most tastelessly expressed in a Scottish newspaper, "for the avid Elvis fan, Lisa Marie Presley is the ultimate limited edition." Hence his desire to marry you. That's pretty offensive, isn't it?

"Yeah, it's offensive. I hate that stuff. I guess if you don't fill the vacuum up with your own information, people will fill it, and that's the scary part. I know he did the movies and stuff like that in the past -- I never saw one Elvis artifact or anything in any of his homes ever, aside from maybe having a couple of records, just like anybody else."

And presumably the good things and the bad things that happened between you were the good things and the bad things that just happen between two people?

"Yes, except that we're both so dramatic and dynamic that when it was good it was unbelievably good, and when it was bad it was just a ****ing bloody nightmare for everybody. It was just Mr. Toad's Wild Ride."

When I am sent the lyrics to her new album, there's one more lyric than there are songs on the advance CD. It is called "Disciple," and its remarkable first verse is:

You will flourish in your disciples bringing you pleasureIn so many masturbative waysUntil you've simply no use for them anymoreAnd then they will remain and suffer in your concentrated haze

The first seven songs that spilled out of her in the aftermath of her split with Jackson were all about the same thing, and "Disciple" was the one that summed it all up the best.

Everyone around you, they're sick, they're on medication or they willFinally lose their mindsBut they will always defend you and justify your insanity like I didBecause you make them blind

"I'm not into Michael-bashing at all," she says, when I discuss the song with her. "I have no interest in doing that. He is who he is. I know people want to know what that was about, and I'm trying to say it without making him a bad guy, you know. . . . It's hard to do, because it was such a bad situation and it was so ****ed up."

It wasn't too long after the Diane Sawyer interview that things started going wrong. "We were really on shaky ground," she says. "There would be periods of time where I had no idea where he was -- only by the press. He would just disappear." The final media spectacle documenting their union's disintegration was the 1995 MTV Video Music Awards. She was in the audience; he was singing a medley of his greatest moments onstage.

"I was glaring at him," she says. "That was a pretty infamous moment."

Why were you glaring at him?

"Because I hadn't seen him, or heard from him, in six weeks. He got upset and he would just disappear." She says that after about a month without any contact, his people started calling, saying that it was important that she show up at the MTV Video Music Awards. She agreed to show up if she didn't have to go down the red carpet; they consented, then led her down it anyway. "I was pissed. I just felt like I was being used at that point." She was then told that he was going to sing to her and that he had a surprise for her. "I remember my whole look was: 'Don't you come anywhere ****ing near me -- we haven't spoken in a month.' And he got it. He didn't come over. I talked to him later and he said, 'I saw the look on your face, and I knew that if I walked up to you, I didn't know what you were going to do me.' " (Weirdly, this performance -- glare and all -- would later be included on Michael Jackson's video collection History on Film.)

There were other fault lines opening. Jackson had asked her never to speak about him, and she felt he was taking liberties, particularly in a TV Guide story at the time. "He was quoting me, 'Lisa Marie told me Elvis had a nose job,' which is absolute bullshit," she says. "I think it justified something in his mind -- they were asking him about his plastic surgery. I read that, and I threw it across the kitchen. 'I told you what?' "

How did it come to a head?

"I'd had enough. That's all."

You pulled the plug?

"Yes. I told him I wanted a divorce. Then he didn't talk to me for a couple of weeks."

In the period following her split from Jackson, her health collapsed: "My body started to deteriorate. I started to have panic attacks. I went through two years of baffling every doctor from East to West Coast. One week it was asthma . . . hypoglycemia . . . candida . . . reflux . . . I had everything. My gall bladder just ****ing stopped working, and I had to get it taken out. This was when the tabloids said I tried to kill myself or something like that. We settled out of court. But anyway, I wound up in the hospital. I had everything happening; my body completely fell apart. And nobody knew what the hell was wrong with me." She was allergic to everything. "I had to eat chicken and broccoli for a year," she remembers. "I was absolutely falling apart, physically and emotionally, for a two-year period." At times she thought of death. "It was the constant physical breakdowns that were going on that I didn't understand."

You really thought you might not make it?

"I really thought it. It was just non-stop." Then she went to a homeopathic doctor, told him all her symptoms, and he asked her to open her mouth. He told her to get her fillings removed. "But once I started to get it out, it all stopped." (She now thinks her problems were caused by a mixture of mercury fillings and extreme stress.) "Mercury can make you go ****ing crazy. That term 'mad as a hatter' comes from mercury: people working in felt factories and going crazy. They try to say mercury is safe, but it's the second-deadliest poison known to man, underneath plutonium, and it's in people's ****ing teeth."

In the Capitol Records recording studio, Lisa Marie Presley is filming a performance of "Lights Out" for an EPK -- the electronic press kit that is sent out to promote new albums. She has never performed in public; in fact, she has barely performed in front of anyone. Two days earlier, I watched her play with her band in a dark, cramped Los Angeles rehearsal studio, where she looked nervous and uncertain. Today she has to perform over and over in front of the cameras, and it is weird observing her develop as the day passes, watching her way of delivering a song evolve over a few hours in all the ways that other musicians discover themselves and their style over years of teenage preparation.

Andrew Slater, president of Capitol and the producer of "Lights Out," looks on. He and Presley seem to have developed a friendly but somewhat spiky rapport. He specifically asked her not to go out last night in preparation for this shoot; when he finds out that she stayed at Beck's Christmas party until three in the morning, he sighs and tells her, "Your blood type's R for rebel." But you can tell that he's thrilled -- and maybe even a little shocked -- by the way she is coming into herself today.

"What are you on?" he asks after one take.

"What do you mean?" she asks, guarded.

"It's like the Star Trek episode where the cells mature," he says. "Two days ago . . . "

She looks uncomfortable with both the compliment and the scrutiny. "I'm going to use the restroom, Slater," she responds. When her manager, Scooter Weintraub (who also manages Sheryl Crow), tells her how natural she looks, she retorts, "I don't care," and then adds, "I want to tell everybody to **** off when they tell me it looks good."

There are also moments, when she relaxes into her performance, where it's impossible not to notice something else going on. She will be singing, and then you will suddenly see how she is: The microphone is in her right hand; the cord is in her left, held out at her side, her finger reaching round the cord to beckon; her head is slightly tilted and then -- even though she'll tell me it's entirely unintentional and something she tries to stop herself doing when she catches the muscles moving that way -- one side of her upper lip rises defiantly, a triumph of genetics over gravity.

One day when she was seven or eight, Lisa Marie Presley told her father, "I don't want you to die."

"Don't worry about me," she remembers he told her. "I'm not going anywhere."

"I just had a feeling," she says now. "He wasn't doing well." A feeling. "All I know is that I had it, and it happened. I was obsessed with death at a very early age."

Elvis Presley died when Lisa Marie was nine. She was at Graceland at the time, and there are a variety of painful published accounts of her realizing what had happened and telephoning one of his long-term girlfriends to tell her, then circling outside on her golf cart, over and over. One afternoon, several days after we first meet, I mention that day.

"I was there," she says, and nods.

Does she have clear memories of that night? I ask."Very," she says. "Yeah." She looks right at me, and I can see the upset rising within her, and I feel all the more guilty for the way she doesn't even seem angry that I have pressed the point about something so painful -- as though that is the very least of indignities the world has taught her to expect. "Let's just drop it," she mutters.

She would rather "Lights Out" not have been the first single from her album. Her reservations are partly due to its commercial nature but also because of its subject matter. It is one of two songs on her album that very obviously address her family history. The chorus revolves around her observation, on a visit to Graceland, that there is a large space next to her father's grave. "How many people can walk around knowing that there's a plot waiting for them?" she says, and laughs. "It looks pretty morbid to me. Morbidly inviting."

There is a lot of death on her record. "It was on my mind a lot there, for a while," she explains. "I think I just encountered it very early on. It wasn't just the one -- it was like a landslide. He went . . . grandfather . . . grandmother . . . friend when I was thirteen shot himself . . . sixteen, two more friends died in a car accident."

The other song explicitly about her father is called "Nobody Noticed It." It was written after a day when, clicking through the TV channels, she stumbled across the E! True Hollywood Story: The Last Days of Elvis in which many of her father's associates and hangers-on talked about his downfall. "I couldn't believe they were trying to take his dignity -- Sonny West, Marty Lacker, Red West, all these people that were worse than him." These were all people she knew from his lifetime: "They scared the hell out of me when I was a kid, too. I remember seeing the Playboys, the drugs, the women -- I watched it all, and I watched them. I know the real story behind all of them, and I know what they're out there doing."

After seeing the program, she was in shock. She couldn't sleep, she was so angry. "I just thought, 'You slithering mother****ers have no right. None. You were responsible for this just as much as he was. His dignity was one of the most important things to him, and you are trying to take it away.' "

She called one of her co-writers and put her fury and sadness into a song. "All that you had to endure . . ." she sang, "nobody noticed it." "He didn't have anyone to keep him leveled off. You get into this world where nothing you do is wrong. I don't think any artist has really done that well with it -- they usually end up destroying themselves. Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison . . . he wasn't the only one. It's like you have no basis anymore. No foundation. And I think he was one of the first ones to go through it. It was very lonely there, where he was. I know that."

Occasionally she visits Graceland. Those of Elvis' cooks who are still alive will come in and prepare the same soul food for her they all used to eat there: fried chicken, black-eyed peas, mashed potatoes, cornbread. And she'll go upstairs. "Nothing has been touched," she says. "It's exactly the same. There was a whole life in that house. It's a beautiful sadness. It's either really painful or it's very comforting -- it goes either way. The carpet is the same. My room is exactly the same. Nothing has been touched. Upstairs, which has never been open to the public, is my room and his room, next to each other, and an attic. It's pretty creepy. It's a shrine." Usually she'll go up there alone. "It's very comforting for me," she says. "The books, the videos, everything is there still. The Godfather, Citizen Kane, Pink Panther, Bruce Lee -- all of his videos are still there. All of his records." Early this year, Presley made a video, visited radio stations, rehearsed and absorbed the early reactions to her record. "I'm sure it's going to be a fifty-fifty thing: 'She sucks'; 'She's great,' " she says after browsing some Internet sites, and laughs. " 'Go back to spending Daddy's money' -- that's one I heard." It's strange being out in public like this. "My guess," she says wryly, "is that I'll do this for a while and then turn into a recluse again at some point."

Like everybody else, she saw Martin Bashir's interview with Michael Jackson. "I watched it and cringed," she says. "I had the same reaction everybody else had -- it was like watching a train wreck. It seemed like it was overly cruel -- the guy [Bashir] had his agenda and was after him. I don't make a habit of feeling bad for that guy [Jackson], because he kind of likes to push that sympathy button sometimes, and I don't really go for it anymore, but that time I did. I was, 'Oh, no, you really just got screwed.' It honestly looked to me like, it would be like somebody walking into a convalescent home and just antagonizing someone and having it on film the whole time."

The last time I visit Lisa Marie Presley in her house, I notice that over the fireplace in the living room is what appears to be a blank black canvas. "Oh," she says, when I ask about it. "The light's not on." She gets up and fiddles with an electric cord by the side of the fireplace so that a light comes on above the picture, which is revealed as a dark, deep red portrait of Lisa Marie Presley done by a friend of hers. "It's painted in blood," she says. "Everyone has their thing. That's his."

I also notice that today she is wearing Daffy Duck slippers. I ask her how she will judge whether her record has been a success. "At this point," she says, "it's OK with me whatever happens with it. I don't give a flying crap about hits. I mean, I do, of course, but as long as people know it's for real, it's not BS, it's me, my spirit, my heart, my head. You bare your *** for everybody and go, 'What do you think?' It's scary, but it's me."

[Diane]

Thank you for posting this interview Jen. I'd only seen a few parts of it.

I really feel for that lady and always will.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

I thought no one would notice :lol: she says one of the reasons for leaving him was his pill taking was out of control as soon as the early 70´s.

Hey he was heavy into the medications during the Circle G ranch purchase when he was buying around 40 trucks for everyone...

[Unchained Melody]

You know what also never ceases to amaze me about how Beaulieu presents herself? She was the poor mother, married to an irresponsible man who only cared about his own pleasures and did bad stuff like have extra marital affairs, get addicted to (prescription) drugs, live his life upside down, not having enough quality time with his only child and spoiling her to hell when he did have time with her. Thus she divorced him and, as she always claims, tried to raise Lisa like a normal child. She practically had Lisa alone with her from about age 4, 5 at most.
Yet, Lisa ends up a 9th grade drop-out who is already experimenting with drugs as a (pre-) teen and, as she herself later confessed, with sex, too. And how about Navarone Garibaldi, Beaulieus invisible son with Marco Garibaldi? He's into drugs, as well!!!! Now what kind of record is that, for such a "good" mother?:blink:(n)
Now don't some of you come with the excuse that poor Lisa lost her father at age 9 and is still traumatized by it. You can look up earlier posts of mine in which I relate about people I know who'd lost their parents at much earlier ages and under much more traumatizing circumstances, yet all grew up to be decent, upstanding, responsible and clean adults.
Besides: Navarone DID have his father there well into his teenage years and even now.
So, what are your thoughts on it?

Says alot about miss pris doesn't it. Funny when you think about how she makes elvis to be.(n)

[Donut]

Hey he was heavy into the medications during the Circle G ranch purchase when he was buying around 40 trucks for everyone...

Yes, I know Col. That´s what I meant with my post... he didn´t start taking that stuff because the divorce.

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, I know Col. That´s what I meant with my post... he didn´t start taking that stuff because the divorce.

Exactly. The drug dependecy was not brought on because her..its like Lamar Fike said he just ******* loved them.

[Teddy]

Yes, it would be pretty desperate to try to lay the blame for Elvis's drug use with Priscilla.

And I think her children's substance abuse has as much to do with them growing up in LA as anything else. There's only so much you can do as a parent in that respect. After kids begin school, their peers are more likely to take them down that road than any amount of bad parenting.

[utmom2008]

Its very difficult to understand the workings of a teenage mind, the range of emotions, reasoning, and logic is certainly not what an adult experiences.

Remember that calm sensible answer in the next few years.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: Just get ready.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[rhythmknights]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehollier
Its very difficult to understand the workings of a teenage mind, the range of emotions, reasoning, and logic is certainly not what an adult experiences


Remember that calm sensible answer in the next few years.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: Just get ready.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

does it come to an end? don't give me false hope now!:mad: :D

no matter how much info and such a kid gets he/she's always gonna do what he wants to fit in with the crowd - even when we say we don't wanna be a part of that crowd. especially when we know we've got great parents that are gonna love us no matter what - [had to throw that in in case mom looks over my shoulder! - love you mom]

[utmom2008]

no matter how much info and such a kid gets he/she's always gonna do what he wants to fit in with the crowd - even when we say we don't wanna be a part of that crowd. especially when we know we've got great parents that are gonna love us no matter what - [had to throw that in in case mom looks over my shoulder! - love you mom]

Spoken by a true participant!(y)(y) Been there and done that.....teenagers(girls especially) will turn your hair gray over night.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[suspicious_mind]

Priscilla.

[presley31]

why can't people just let threads go away..

[buttonhead]

why can't people just let threads go away..


Amen to that...:)

:blush::blush:

[utmom2008]

why can't people just let threads go away..

I thought it had...it shows the last post as being 8/13.:blink::blink:

[Unique Dog]

Who do you think deserves most blame for the end of Elvis and Priscilla's marriage....Elvis...or Priscilla...

Sorry but I have to say Elvis...I think he really thought he could be with whoever he wanted or could sleep with anybody he wanted but as long as he come home to Priscilla it was okay...and of course, it takes two to carry on a relationship like that..I hate the excuses of the career ended it. sure that may have played a small role in it but it was farther deep than that. Prscilla imo wanted attention from Elvis whether it be sexually or whatever and he didnt give it to her..of course she was going to go seek that attention from men shes a woman....elvis her husband should have been there to give that attention to her....


They were both to blame...EQUALLY. I believe neither was willing to change in order for their marriage to survive.

[Brian]

In the article about Lisa she refers to her daughter as Danielle again instead of Riley.

[presley31]

In the article about Lisa she refers to her daughter as Danielle again instead of Riley.

yes cause thats her name, but goes by riley when she started modeling.

[Brian]

yes cause thats her name, but goes by riley when she started modeling.


Hi Jen

yes I know I made the observation once before I just thought it was kinda strange for her whole entire family to call her Danielle her whole entire life and then when she starts modeling it's Riley, I think Danielle is a better name personally but she can go by whatever she wants it's just that Danielle seems exclusively a girls name to me and Riley isn't because I've known men named Riley.

[presley31]

Hi Jen

yes I know I made the observation once before I just thought it was kinda strange for her whole entire family to call her Danielle her whole entire life and then when she starts modeling it's Riley, I think Danielle is a better name personally but she can go by whatever she wants it's just that Danielle seems exclusively a girls name to me and Riley isn't because I've known men named Riley.

I think the name riley can go both ways. I have friends called riley, but if that what Lisa's daughter likes being called thats her choice.

[Diane]

Danielle just prefers to go by her middle name.

Diane

[Unique Dog]

In the article about Lisa she refers to her daughter as Danielle again instead of Riley.

From what I understand, Lisa and Danny have always called their daughter Riley. Lisa has on ocassion referred to her as Danniell in interviews, but if I recall correctly she only did that prior to Riley becoming a model.

[Nicole Presley]

I will say Priscilla. You may not agree with Elvis's attitude about women but she sold him a bill of goods that was all a lie. He never did. She made him think that she was the kind of women that would be happy with the lifestyle. Once she was secure in the marriage, and had his child, she turned into who she really was.
Lots of men of that generation had certain attitudes about women. And many were double standards yes. If you don't like it, you don't marry a person who has them, and you sure as heck don't make them think you are going to be ok with it.


You are so right! Priscilla already knew Elvis before she married him. I hate it when people marry someone and leave that person again!!! Especially when it´s Elvis. Elvis deserved someone better. Someone who really loves him. :mad:

[Teddy]

Lots of men of that generation had certain attitudes about women. And many were double standards yes. If you don't like it, you don't marry a person who has them, and you sure as heck don't make them think you are going to be ok with it.
But if a man must bring double standards into his marriage, he shouldn't be too shocked when his wife leaves him, either.
And Priscilla never gave him the impression that she was "ok with" his compulsive womanizing.
This idea that there was 'one rule for Elvis and another for every other married man' is a fallacy and the outcome of his marriage proves that conclusively. You reap what you sow in any relationship. Even when you're Elvis Presley.

I can understand the temptation for Elvis fans to focus on Cilla's marital failings but we can't do so at the exclusion of his shortcomings, or we sacrifice common sense and fairness.

Also, I would never say that his behavior justifies hers but it certainly explains it (and I still think the blame must lie with both of them).

[beckelvis]

For my was Priscilla,thoug he could not lake it well either,but Idon´t leave her in addition.I belive that to be able to have helped with the topic of the tables and all that for me her gave to him the back to the problem that permission raises,.
Still has me alone and desoriented she I end him of killing it morally.
- TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS-

[renapap05]

Both of them had their part to play in a marriage that was destined to end.

Yes,i totally agree...I voted both!

[MissyM]

I can't disagree with some of what you stated Teddy. But you must remember one thing: Elvis was faithfull to her in marriage untill she was not. Once married he honored his promise. He never promised fedelity prior to the marriage. Was that unfair to her, probably, was it hurtful, no doubt. But there were no strings and she could have and prob. should have left.
The marriage brought the promise of faithfullness. Elvis was big on keeping spoken promises and written ones himself. That in some ways worked against him at times in his career.
Would he have remained faithful if she had? One can only speculate on that one.
I am in no way advocating double standards. I do however accept the fact that sometimes it is hard to change attitudes that we have so ingrained in us. I guess I just would have never married someone like Elvis knowing full well that the odds of eternal faithfullness, would be a crap shoot with really bad odds. And her cheating put those odds at zero. Was it ok for him to cheat because she did, nope. It makes it understandable but never ok. Each person is accountable for their own actions.
I think they both had high hopes for the marriage in the beginning. But in some ways those hopes were very naive. But more so on her part.
It is she who says Elvis was faithful untill she wasn't. So for me, she blew it because we don't know what he would have done had she not.
She had to know that if he made the promise to mend his ways and be faithfull and she couldn't be, the marriage was done for. I just don't get that part. If she loved him, why not at least give him a chance?

[Teddy]

He never promised fedelity prior to the marriage.

I agree with a lot of your post but this line is something of a paradox, since marrying someone implies that you intend to be completely faithful.
Why put all the responsibility for misunderstanding on Priscilla?
Perhaps he shouldn't have entered wedlock if he couldn't take it seriously.

And despite the lack of hard evidence that he slept with another woman while married, I'm inclined to think that there are many ways in which someone can be unfaithful besides being caught with your pants down.
He was saintly in many ways, but this wasn't one of them.

[Erhan]

Answer Hiding In This New Video Elvis Reveals At the End...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3OOUBT410

[MissyM]

No, I'm not saying he was faithful for the duration?? I believe he was at first untill she broke the vows. Don't you think that really ended any hope they had for making it work? That's all I'm saying.
I do think they both intended (although it may have been a bit naive) to be faithful. I think they were in love when they got married. I think they just decided to forget the past and start new, and no doubt had hopes like any couple first starting a marriage.
Now I just personally think, giving it a year and then cheating on him didn't give it much of a chance. Matter of fact, I think that pretty much was like putting a major hole in the boat.
What they were thinking after, who know because they were both sleeping with each other and others too. That just blows me away!

[Teddy]

No, I'm not saying he was faithful for the duration?? I believe he was at first untill she broke the vows. Don't you think that really ended any hope they had for making it work? That's all I'm saying.
I do think they both intended (although it may have been a bit naive) to be faithful. I think they were in love when they got married. I think they just decided to forget the past and start new, and no doubt had hopes like any couple first starting a marriage.
Now I just personally think, giving it a year and then cheating on him didn't give it much of a chance. Matter of fact, I think that pretty much was like putting a major hole in the boat.
What they were thinking after, who know because they were both sleeping with each other and others too. That just blows me away!
You're right- of course Cilla's bare-faced infidelity pretty much guaranteed that there was no future for the marriage, but if Elvis was truly faithful during the period between their wedding and her affairs then that would be the first time in their entire relationship (and it would require an extraordinary act of faith on my part to believe it! :lol:) I think he probably just made more of an effort to keep the misbehavior quiet. ;)

From most accounts they didn't seem to do a lot of sleeping together anyway and that would contribute to the straying too, I guess.
There are more ways to be a good husband than just being seen to resist other women.
Again- I don't think either of them are blameless. I just want a fair trial for them both. :)

[Vegas King]

It's Elvis fault.
Can you picture that you're livin' with a man
who is always kissing another womens and then he comes home to you and your daughter?????????
I belive she couldn't take it anymore.
But they were both very sad for the failur of their marriage

[Miss Clawdy]

Answer Hiding In This New Video Elvis Reveals At the End...

:lol::lol::lol:

Great video, thank you!

[SatninLove]

I have to say both...Elvis knew he was doing wrong,and felt bad about it,but felt he couldn't resist temptation,and then felt confused.....Cilla had faults as well....I think Elvis knew that Cilla wasn't happy,and he wanted to fix that,but in the end,I think Elvis knew in the back of his mind that the unthinkable was going to happen...That Cilla would give up and leave...
I know they loved each other alot,and I also know that Elvis felt bad about it,and wanted Priscilla back....
But anyway,I believe that both of them are too fault...
-SatninLove

[TotallyInsane]

He wasn't confused - he knew he liked women!!! :lmfao::lmfao:

[SatninLove]

lol.i know that.lol.
-SatninLoved

[SatninLove]

Oh heck TotallyInsane,you made me put SatninLoved.lol...
-SatninLove

[TotallyInsane]

Oh heck TotallyInsane,you made me put SatninLoved.lol...
-SatninLove

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Sorry about that!!

[hannaloveselvis]

I'm actually surprised that more people think Elvis is at fault. Especially since most people seem to dislike Priscilla. And it was Priscilla who left him not the other way around.

[debtdbruno]

Both of them......

[Dany]

Elvis needed support somebody that was always to him side. The work was tiresome and not always she was to him side.

[cre]

I voted 'both of them' too.
There are 2 people in a marriage.

[Jimmy1966]

elvis was at fault you can not be blinkered through your love of elvis, the man knew he had faults just like the rest of us, it's human nature at work.

[Sweet_One_E.]

can you explain more, Jimmy

[Jimmy1966]

can you explain more, Jimmy
yes i like to think of elvis presley as a man who knew he had his faults he said in an interview and i quote ' I'M NOT PERFECT ONLY GOD IS PERFECT'
elvis was a human being with all the emotions that the rest of us struggle with, but i also think that the image we have of elvis presley does not do him any justice as a man,
he said it best when he sang 'WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES'
The burden of being elvis the KING to elvis the MAN must have been unbearable at times for him.
i remember elvis through that wonderful voice no matter what song he sings,
Elvis always struck me as a very lonely man,
MAY HE REST IN ETERNAL PEACE.

[GIORGIA]

I voted both,because for Me the foult is always 50-50.

[GIORGIA]

Elvis needed support somebody that was always to him side. The work was tiresome and not always she was to him side.
I'm totally agree with you My Sweetie!

[elvislady]

I have just been reading back through this thread...it goes back to 2008.. i am not sure why i didnt comment at the time but i say it was both elvis and cilla that were at fault, it takes to to make a marrige work.. communication works wonders in a marrige maybe thats what they didnt do. it seems strange reading through the thread again and seeing rosannes comments! great to read them though..:D

elvislady :D

[Diane]

I have just been reading back through this thread...it goes back to 2008.. i am not sure why i didnt comment at the time but i say it was both elvis and cilla that were at fault, it takes to to make a marrige work.. communication works wonders in a marrige maybe thats what they didnt do. it seems strange reading through the thread again and seeing rosannes comments! great to read them though..:D

elvislady :D

You have me curious...now I'll have to go through them too.:lol:

[Diane]

I voted for both as well for the same reason as Matt. That marriage was destined to end. Priscilla pushed and Elvis caved in.

Diane

I stand by my original post.;)

Diane

[debtdbruno]

I stand by my original post.;)

Diane

That's a good way of putting it Diane.........

[debtdbruno]

yes i like to think of elvis presley as a man who knew he had his faults he said in an interview and i quote ' I'M NOT PERFECT ONLY GOD IS PERFECT'
elvis was a human being with all the emotions that the rest of us struggle with, but i also think that the image we have of elvis presley does not do him any justice as a man,
he said it best when he sang 'WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES'
The burden of being elvis the KING to elvis the MAN must have been unbearable at times for him.
i remember elvis through that wonderful voice no matter what song he sings,
Elvis always struck me as a very lonely man,
MAY HE REST IN ETERNAL PEACE.

This is also very true(y)(y)(y)(y)

Perhaps he should have 'taken care of business' at home more though.
Maybe then Cilla wouldn't have left

[Wild_In_The_Country]

As much as i love Elvis,
I would say its his fault, How can you expect someone to stay loving and have high expectations, when you cheat on that person everytime their back is turned. I doubt priscilla would have cheated IF Elvis was more accomadating and was faithful,

[May]

I can't understand people who blame one person for the failure of a marriage:doh::doh:

[debtdbruno]

As they say May..........'it takes two to tango'........

[Neverending]

Both of them - no matter who had a bigger part.
I think Elvis and Priscilla had different conceptions how their marriage should be.
To be married with such a Superstar as Elvis will be not easy. And if there is no common understanding - a marriage fail. Also because Priscilla liked the spotlight too.

Remember: Tom Jones is married too, maybe had his affairs with other woman, but never you read a comment of his wife nor see a foto into the media. And they are married till today.
As a woman and wife to master such a life you will need to be very strong, beeing a firm character and full of love for the man.

I think it's not easy to judge a relationship or marriage beeing on the outside.

[elvispresleytheking]

Elvis just wasn't the type who should marry

[beckelvis]

Sorry, but I don't see how a person at that age could convince Elvis to do something he didn't want to do. The guys whom he loved and trusted couldn't convince him to do a number of things, remember?
I Agree whit you (y)

[GIORGIA]

Both of them - no matter who had a bigger part.
I think Elvis and Priscilla had different conceptions how their marriage should be.
To be married with such a Superstar as Elvis will be not easy. And if there is no common understanding - a marriage fail. Also because Priscilla liked the spotlight too.

Remember: Tom Jones is married too, maybe had his affairs with other woman, but never you read a comment of his wife nor see a foto into the media. And they are married till today.
As a woman and wife to master such a life you will need to be very strong, beeing a firm character and full of love for the man.

I think it's not easy to judge a relationship or marriage beeing on the outside.
Neverending,I'm TOTALLY agree with you(y)!
So Good Message(y)!

[GIORGIA]

I can't understand people who blame one person for the failure of a marriage:doh::doh:
Me too May:blink:.

[debtdbruno]

Neverending,I'm TOTALLY agree with you(y)!
So Good Message(y)!




Both of them - no matter who had a bigger part.
I think Elvis and Priscilla had different conceptions how their marriage should be.
To be married with such a Superstar as Elvis will be not easy. And if there is no common understanding - a marriage fail. Also because Priscilla liked the spotlight too.

Remember: Tom Jones is married too, maybe had his affairs with other woman, but never you read a comment of his wife nor see a foto into the media. And they are married till today.
As a woman and wife to master such a life you will need to be very strong, beeing a firm character and full of love for the man.

I think it's not easy to judge a relationship or marriage beeing on the outside.



I think Tom Jones' wife is agoraphobic, also won't read papers........

[GIORGIA]

What I meant about if Priscilla had been around and more aware of Lisa during that time that Lisa might not have had such a hard time emotionally and might not have gotten into as much trouble as she did. Kids need to feel loved and respected and I think you're right, part of why she did what she did was to get her mother's attention. It's also very possible that Lisa blamed Priscilla for the breakup of the marriage and family.

Diane
I think the same thing.

[GIORGIA]

Answer Hiding In This New Video Elvis Reveals At the End...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3OOUBT410
I never listen this,until now!
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooow:lol:!

[GIORGIA]

Sorry, but I don't see how a person at that age could convince Elvis to do something he didn't want to do. The guys whom he loved and trusted couldn't convince him to do a number of things, remember?
In part I agree with you,because Our Love Elvis had a beatiful mind and intelligence!
But I listen an interview of Kathy Westemoralend and she say that he wouldn't be marrried,of course it's his opinion,but I believe in what she say.
And also she talks about Jerry Lee Lewis situation,about the fact that he doesn't married,and his carrier it's was in trouble or somenthing like that.

[Lisarose]

Remember: Tom Jones is married too, maybe had his affairs with other woman, but never you read a comment of his wife nor see a foto into the media. And they are married till today.
As a woman and wife to master such a life you will need to be very strong, beeing a firm character and full of love for the man.


Yes, but when you take Tom Jones' "philosophy" - it appears he just took his lead from Elvis - tell the women that while their affair/friendship will be grand, it will not lead to anything permanent. Tom Jones will not leave his "true love" - his wife for anyone - but he will snog everyone!

No, Elvis was not a child, he should take responsibility, and Priscilla was a child, but she wasn't blind. 50-50!

[Elisabeth]

I voted for both of them.

[May]

I voted for both of them.

(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Donut]

(y) Elvis wanted an "open" marriage for him and a family waiting for him at home and Priscilla thought she could change him after the wedding plus getting the Mrs Presley title got to be like a challenge for her so both are to blame for the failure of their marriage. Elvis should not have married if he could not compromise himself and Priscilla shoudn't have do it if she didn't agree with his game.

[Diane]

(y) Elvis wanted an "open" marriage for him and a family waiting for him at home and Priscilla thought she could change him after the wedding plus getting the Mrs Presley title got to be like a challenge for her so both are to blame for the failure of their marriage. Elvis should not have married if he could not compromise himself and Priscilla shoudn't have do it if she didn't agree with his game.

Yup(y)(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[debtdbruno]

(y) Elvis wanted an "open" marriage for him and a family waiting for him at home and Priscilla thought she could change him after the wedding plus getting the Mrs Presley title got to be like a challenge for her so both are to blame for the failure of their marriage. Elvis should not have married if he could not compromise himself and Priscilla shoudn't have do it if she didn't agree with his game.

Absolutely(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Sweet_One_E.]

don't know if I really blame either.

[monk37]

I also agree it comes down to both

[Teddy]

Elvis's 'Universal Lover' image was a part of his act which required maintenance, along with the music itself. Many other stars would conceal their real-life relationships altogether to foster the impression that they were 'available'.
Priscilla understood this. As long as everything is out in the open there's no harm done anyway, really.

Secrets are like poison in any relationship, and when Elvis's dalliances became sustained and covert it was only a matter of time before it all unravelled.

[debtdbruno]

Elvis's 'Universal Lover' image was a part of his act which required maintenance, along with the music itself. Many other stars would conceal their real-life relationships altogether to foster the impression that they were 'available'.
Priscilla understood this. As long as everything is out in the open there's no harm done anyway, really.

Secrets are like poison in any relationship, and when Elvis's dalliances became sustained and covert it was only a matter of time before it all unravelled.

Well said Teddy(y)(y)(y)

Of course the thing none of us know is how many women were just friends/confidants, not lovers...........

[Teddy]

Of course the thing none of us know is how many women were just friends/confidants, not lovers...........

True- especially while there is a tendency on the part of many people to exaggerate the significance of their relationship with him.

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of his relations with women were far more innocent than reported.
But you know how it is- most ladies aren't very happy about their husbands having close and heavy friendships with other females either, and vice versa.

[debtdbruno]

very true, it would feel threatening......

I'm sure he would have been a typical randy young lad in the 50's, who made the most of women throwing themselves at him. You would hope that as he 'matured' he would have appreciated a more satisfying relationship platonic or otherwise, rather than lots of one night stands.

[May]

What I find interesting is people, on the one hand, say he slept with all these women over the years, and yet on the other hand, he wasn't 'into' sex. That he would prefer to go to his bedroom with women, but then read the Bible to them, or simply talk. :hmm::hmm:

[debtdbruno]

What I find interesting is people, on the one hand, say he slept with all these women over the years, and yet on the other hand, he wasn't 'into' sex. That he would prefer to go to his bedroom with women, but then read the Bible to them, or simply talk. :hmm::hmm:

that's the 'mystique' of Elvis..................:lmfao::lmfao:

Somewhere in the middle of all the stories is probably more accutate

[Teddy]

Indeed, since it seems that while the orthodox sex act was of little interest to him, and even troubled, him he wasn't exactly asexual.

And I suppose there's no harm in reading the Bible to someone after you have employed an unconventional part of their physicality for your sexual gratification.
It might even help, depending upon how you felt about yourself afterwards.

[May]

do what?!? What proof is there that sex troubled Elvis!(n):blink::doh:

[Teddy]

I thought you were reading the same books as the rest of us :doh:
I'm specifically talking about full penetrative coitus. The kind which people sometimes engage in for reproductive purposes, as well as recreation.

[May]

you havent understood my question have you. thought it was quite clear :hmm: thanks for pointing out what sex is though!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Teddy]

Here we go :rolleyes:
Do your own research.
And to briefly address your extraordinary pedantry- what proof do we have for anything we discuss here? But I'm guessing this isn't the place to discuss semantics.

[debtdbruno]

It does make you wonder Teddy, if it was a preference not to fully indulge, or if a lot of it was to avoid getting someone pregnant............???

[May]

Here we go :rolleyes:
Do your own research.
And to briefly address your extraordinary pedantry- what proof do we have for anything we discuss here? But I'm guessing this isn't the place to discuss semantics.

Again, I can only surmise you didnt understand my post. Not sure if I could have made it clearer.:doh: Oh well.:wacko:

[May]

that's the 'mystique' of Elvis..................:lmfao::lmfao:

Somewhere in the middle of all the stories is probably more accutate

Agree with you Deb. there are so many false myths surrounding Elvis and his life, sometimes if they are repeated often enough, people start believing them. ;)

[debtdbruno]

it's like the pregnant women thing............he slept with Barbara Leigh, to name one.
He knew she had a Son....I'm sure some things are blown out of proportion

[May]

Oh yes, that's one that always crops up isn't it. :rolleyes: I think a lot of it is jealousy. I mean, there was plenty to be jealous of wasn't there? Looks, talent, generosity, kind natured. The list goes on. :D

[debtdbruno]

the MM will have a different version of what they surmised about Elvis' 'habits'.........however, he did put on a macho facade to the men.

[May]

True. Yes, I think you can take any situation (not just on Elvis) and have 3 people look at it and give 3 different opinions, ALL being truthful to what that particular person believes. doesn't make any of them right, or wrong come to that.

[debtdbruno]

that's true May.....
everyone these days though, seen to have ulterior motives to twist things for their own purpose and make their part in his life more important than it was.....
Unfortunately he's not here to put things straight........

[oldme]

that's true May.....
everyone these days though, seen to have ulterior motives to twist things for their own purpose and make their part in his life more important than it was.....
Unfortunately he's not here to put things straight........

Maybe it's better that way.

[debtdbruno]

could be..........he was very good at keeping his private life private, so I dare say there wouldn't be much he would divulge

[May]

that's true May.....
everyone these days though, seen to have ulterior motives to twist things for their own purpose and make their part in his life more important than it was.....
Unfortunately he's not here to put things straight........

Gosh, :blink: yes, there would probably be so much that would be different. I can't imagine Priscilla sharing as much if Elvis were still here. I imagine the MM wouldn't spill the beans as much either. It could all be so different had he still been alive.:hmm: Lots of ifs and buts.

[Teddy]

Again, I can only surmise you didnt understand my post. Not sure if I could have made it clearer.:doh: Oh well.:wacko:

It looks like you actually didn't make it sufficiently clear.
Maybe you should try again?

[epmoodyblue]

whos more at fault:nono:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_icon_rolleyes.gif...this thread ishttp://www.tcb-world.com/images/smilies/banned.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

[Brian]

What I find interesting is people, on the one hand, say he slept with all these women over the years, and yet on the other hand, he wasn't 'into' sex. That he would prefer to go to his bedroom with women, but then read the Bible to them, or simply talk. :hmm::hmm:

Linda Thompson says he did both

[Teddy]

You see, Elvis was a fascinatingly complex individual.
When he wasn't having sex, he could often be found reading the Bible or simply talking.

Can somebody put the coffee on? http://smiley.net.ru/entpas096.gif

[May]

whos more at fault:nono:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_icon_rolleyes.gif...this thread ishttp://www.tcb-world.com/images/smilies/banned.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

Well its certainly gone :offtopic: ;)

[epmoodyblue]

Well its certainly gone :offtopic: ;)http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/back-to-topic_ani.gifhttp://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/th_wink_smile.gifhttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

[Donut]

What I find interesting is people, on the one hand, say he slept with all these women over the years, and yet on the other hand, he wasn't 'into' sex. That he would prefer to go to his bedroom with women, but then read the Bible to them, or simply talk. :hmm::hmm:

I would be scared to death if a man did that to me. Imagine the situation :lol:

[debtdbruno]

What I find interesting is people, on the one hand, say he slept with all these women over the years, and yet on the other hand, he wasn't 'into' sex. That he would prefer to go to his bedroom with women, but then read the Bible to them, or simply talk. :hmm::hmm:


I would be scared to death if a man did that to me. Imagine the situation :lol:



I'd drop off to sleep........sorry:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmf ao:

[debtdbruno]

You see, Elvis was a fascinatingly complex individual.
When he wasn't having sex, he could often be found reading the Bible or simply talking.

Can somebody put the coffee on? http://smiley.net.ru/entpas096.gif


Black, white..........one sugar or two Teddy??:lmfao::lmfao:

[Teddy]

Black with no sugar, thanks.
I'm too d*mn sweet as it is.
33475

[Donut]

Aww she looks like she is about to feed you :laughing:

[Teddy]

Wonderful!! :wub::wub::wub:

[debtdbruno]

Black with no sugar, thanks.
I'm too d*mn sweet as it is.
33475

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[May]

I'd drop off to sleep........sorry:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmf ao:

Even if it were Elvis????? :blink::D

[Diane]

I'd pry my eyelids open with toothpicks if I had too so I could keep on listening to him and stay cuddled.:lol:

Diane

[Donut]

I'd pry my eyelids open with toothpicks if I had too so I could keep on listening to him and stay cuddled.:lol:

Diane

But just because it is Elvis, right? :lol:

[debtdbruno]

I'd pry my eyelids open with toothpicks if I had too so I could keep on listening to him and stay cuddled.:lol:

Diane

Yeh, I'd stay cuddled up.........but still fall asleep in his arms ((bliss...sigh))

[debtdbruno]

However, I could think of something 'far' more interesting to do................LMAO

[Donut]

However, I could think of something 'far' more interesting to do................LMAO

If you asked Elvis for something more interesting he would make you a karate demonstration :laughing:

[debtdbruno]

Mmmmm, hot and sweaty................

[May]

Calm down now Deb!!!!

[epmoodyblue]

Mmmmm, hot and sweaty................:supriced:..........http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-shocked019.gifkeep it clean:lol::lol::lol::lol::lmfao:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/selenauno/smiley-gen101.gifhttp://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s52/joe1cooldude/th_icon2.gif

[debtdbruno]

Calm down now Deb!!!!


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Blame Donut, May....talking about karate.

[Teddy]

Interestingly, although this thread appears to have gone up in a pink cloud of estrogen, it remains somewhat on-topic, since it demonstrates what went wrong with Elvis's marriage.

If the majority of women feel this way about him, what incentive would he have to work on his marriage?
Sure, nobody wants to let their family down- but after intercourse with the fourth consecutive stranger of the day, I can imagine how those considerations might recede into the background. :hmm:

And to think this started with you lot picturing him reading the Bible....

[May]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Blame Donut, May....talking about karate.

Oh I do Deb, I do!!! ;):D

[debtdbruno]

Interestingly, although this thread appears to have gone up in a pink cloud of estrogen, it remains somewhat on-topic, since it demonstrates what went wrong with Elvis's marriage.

If the majority of women feel this way about him, what incentive would he have to work on his marriage?
Sure, nobody wants to let their family down- but after intercourse with the fourth consecutive stranger of the day, I can imagine how those considerations might recede into the background. :hmm:

And to think this started with you lot picturing him reading the Bible....

My, he was a busy boy:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


I see what you mean Teddy. Don't you think he MAY' have gotten bored with easy pickings eventually though????
If you are supposedly married to someone you love, and have sown those wild oats for many years previously, why couldn't he decide it wasn't work wrecking his marriage over?

Also, from a religious view, Adultery is condemned, so was he as religious as is he has been made out to be?..............

[Teddy]

I see what you mean Teddy. Don't you think he MAY' have gotten bored with easy pickings eventually though????
If you are supposedly married to someone you love, and have sown those wild oats for many years previously, why couldn't he decide it wasn't work wrecking his marriage over?

Also, from a religious view, Adultery is condemned, so was he as religious as is he has been made out to be?..............

Yes, we all tire of lovemaking marathons with multiple partners eventually, but as we were saying earlier, it doesn't sound like it was really a Coitus Fest with Elvis anyway. And maybe an emotional betrayal cuts deeper than casual intercourse? Elvis simply wasn't providing Cilla with enough of his time. As the quote goes, Priscilla never left Elvis; Elvis had been leaving her for years.

As for religion, I think Elvis took from religion the parts which suited his needs and disregarded the rest, but so do a lot of people.

[debtdbruno]

That about sums it up doesn't it???

Great points

[Teddy]

Cheers :cheers:

[Donut]

And maybe an emotional betrayal cuts deeper than casual intercourse?

Have you ever thought that Elvis problably wasn't happy with Priscilla either?

[Diane]

But just because it is Elvis, right? :lol:

Right............:lol::lol::lol:

Diane

[Teddy]

Have you ever thought that Elvis problably wasn't happy with Priscilla either?

Evidently he wasn't completely happy. Although it isn't something which we can take for granted.
I'm extremely happy with Mrs Bear and yet I fully intend to become physically intimate with Megan Fox at the first available opportunity. It will take 3 days and 5 adhesive fabric rollers to get all my fur off her cheerleading outfit. Like Elvis, I suffer from a male disposition. 'Love' isn't so much necessary as tolerated, where intercourse is concerned.
http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

[debtdbruno]

Definitely a male point of view..........we look at it differently.
Men can separate sex and love into two different compartments..........

[Donut]

Evidently he wasn't completely happy. Although it isn't something which we can take for granted.
I'm extremely happy with Mrs Bear and yet I fully intend to become physically intimate with Megan Fox at the first available opportunity. It will take 3 days and 5 adhesive fabric rollers to get all my fur off her cheerleading outfit. Like Elvis, I suffer from a male disposition. 'Love' isn't so much necessary as tolerated, where intercourse is concerned.
http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

Just don't let Mrs Bear see Megan's cheerleader outfit and you'll be fine http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-bear-smiley-6047.gif. You weren't talking about being physically intimate here.


And maybe an emotional betrayal cuts deeper than casual intercourse?

[Teddy]

You weren't talking about being physically intimate here.

Sorry- I got distracted http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

[Donut]

Sorry- I got distracted http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif

:lol: This shows us how your brain works http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sex023.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Teddy]

:blush:http://smiley.net.ru/misanm0169.gif:blush:

[debtdbruno]

Men can be physically intimate, without getting emotionally involved.......
Perhaps Elvis thought it was okay if he wasn't 'emotionally' connecting, therefore in no danger of leaving his marriage.......

[May]

Yes Deb, Priscilla said that herself too.

[debtdbruno]

Typical.........'have your cake and eat it' mentality..........

[cbg84]

As such big die hard fans on here I]m surprised Elvis has more votes. I said it was both cause in reality it takes two to tango and it takes two to spoil the dance.

[debtdbruno]

he has more votes than Cilla...........but overall more people have voted for 'both'