Religious or spiritual?

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

We can look at Elvis' life with the benefit of hind sight, from magnificent highs to crushing lows. Through all these things there are references to gospel, religion and a man who clearly was on a quest to find out "Why Me?"

looking at Elvis' life from the accounts we have been given by those around Elvis, it appears that Elvis doesn't live his life in a orthodox way, yet he sang gospel that could bring a tear to your eyes.

IMO being religious is different to being spiritual, although both are not exclusive of each other.

Did Elvis just enjoy singing gospel or did he have some deeper feelings with regards to faith.

Do you believe that Elvis was spiritual, religious or both?

[ForeverTheKing]

I voted "both" :)

He was religious because he believed in God but sure he was interested in everything connected with spirituality in general (y)

[Unchained Melody]

A little bit of both but mostly I would say spiritual...

[ehollier]

His upbringing was definitely religious but became very spiritual as he grew older, but he was always always searching.

[kathy parkinson]

I agree i voted for both, but he never stopped looking for answers to why him.

[Broussey]

His upbringing was definitely religious but became very spiritual as he grew older, but he was always always searching.


I agree with you 100% (y)

[boppinbob05]

I Believe Elvis Was Both . He Was A Great Family Man Who Brought Up His Daughter Lisa Up Right. He Made Sure His Little Girl Was Taken Care Of. And In His Music Career Elvis Believed That Gospel Music Was Very Special In His Concert Performances . And He Sang Those Gospel Songs With Jd&the Stamps Right From The Heart And Soul Every Time He Sang Them. Elvis Was A Great Performer ,a Loving Family Man , And Elvis Organizations Today Are Still Going Out Of Their Way To Help Others In Need . In Closing .without Elvis There Wouldnt Be Any Real Good Music. Bye For Now .see You Next Time. Bob.

[Diane]

I believe he was both too but more so spiritual.

Diane

[4THEHEART]

no way I can think of him as a person who's unorthodox while being a source of happiness somehow to so many people and specially when I compare the real lows going on around ,it's impossible to consider Elvis' life as unorthodox..IMO,he was spiritual yes.. but as for religious,well,I guess he didn't accept everything blindly and he asked and tried to understand the truth that possibly we may not know through religions.He must have had his own way of belief,he had a free mind and was after the total awareness most of all,which is beyond any teaching and can only be found by onesself..wish I could talk to him about those subjects..

[KPM]

no way I can think of him as a person who's unorthodox while being a source of happiness somehow to so many people and specially when I compare the real lows going on around ,it's impossible to consider Elvis' life as unorthodox..IMO,he was spiritual yes.. but as for religious,well,I guess he didn't accept everything blindly and he asked and tried to understand the truth that possibly we may not know through religions.He must have had his own way of belief,he had a free mind and was after the total awareness most of all,which is beyond any teaching and can only be found by onesself..wish I could talk to him about those subjects..
Religions are manmade-but being spirtual is God inspired.IMO

[Diane]

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[4THEHEART]

Religions are manmade-but being spirtual is God inspired.IMO

I so agree KPM..that's why I've chosen my own way..not because I know better but I want to find it without being under the influence of general way of thinking or other's rules and laws..probably what we search is already there within us but behind too many filters created by our fears..

[Unchained Melody]

It's sad the man was so lonely in life when he died and he was searching so hard for answers...I hope atleast when he took his last breathe that he found the answers he had been looking for and seeking for so long..and that the loneliness left him for good.:'(

[Wendy56]

Both... And I love the way he sang gospel. :notworthy

[mistymorning]

no way I can think of him as a person who's unorthodox while being a source of happiness somehow to so many people and specially when I compare the real lows going on around ,it's impossible to consider Elvis' life as unorthodox..IMO,he was spiritual yes.. but as for religious,well,I guess he didn't accept everything blindly and he asked and tried to understand the truth that possibly we may not know through religions.He must have had his own way of belief,he had a free mind and was after the total awareness most of all,which is beyond any teaching and can only be found by onesself..wish I could talk to him about those subjects..

I absolutely agree with you. Elvis was always searching for new horizons of thought and philosophy and religion was not an inborn heritage for him . he studied and searched with an open mind. I admire your understanding of his religious/spiritual side......

[Davenport Cousin]

I don't believe you have to be religious to be able to believe in God and Jesus Christ. Believing in Him, giving yourself and your love to Him has nothing to do with religion. I was born Jewish, but I never went to Hebrew school, and I never celebrate Hanukah. But that does not mean my faith in Him, or my love for Him are any less strong than if I did practice my religion. Elvis isn't the only one to search for the answer to the question of "Why me?", to try and figure what is purpose for being was. I think ever since the crreation of Adam and Eve, there probably hasn't been a single person who hasn't asked that question, or sought out the purpose in the bigger picture of things. Elvis I think never quiite realized that his purpose for being was to just make others happy through his music. He didn't have to be a world leader to move mountains. He did it with his music. So many people have been touched by his music, and I think Elvis thought there had to be more to it than that, but there didn't. It was his purpose. Let me give a more personal example so you fully understand. About two and a half years ago, due to some very traumatic events in my life at the time, I had planned to committ suicide. My life had faced such an upheaval, that I wasn't willing to continue on life's journey. God had other plans for me though, and the attempt was aborted. It was that night, I felt God's love, and through His love, I found my purpose in life. My purpose in life is to make others laugh and smile, and even if I only make one person per day smile and/or laugh, then I know that day was a success, I'm satisfied, and hopefully, I have pleased God as well. If Elvis had come to terms with things like I have, he might just have lived a bit longer. I don't know that for sure, and I'm not about to question the judgement of God. Are you?

[shelley.m.]

I think mostly Spiritual.Elvis was always searching for his "purpose in life."

[Unchained Melody]

I think mostly Spiritual.Elvis was always searching for his "purpose in life."

Agreed Shelley..and you can't blame him when you think about how his life went..from living in poverty to becoming the worlds biggest star....I just hope he finally got the answers he was looking for sometime through it all.

[Getlo]

I don't believe you have to be religious to be able to believe in God and Jesus Christ. Believing in Him, giving yourself and your love to Him has nothing to do with religion.

This post is offhandedly dismissive of all other religions in the world.


I think ever since the crreation of Adam and Eve

The what of who, now?


God had other plans for me though, and the attempt was aborted.

You aborted the attempt. You made the choice not to take your own life. You had other plans for yourself.


I don't know that for sure, and I'm not about to question the judgement of God. Are you?

This only applies to those who believe in God, and those who have that belief thrust upon them without any choice growing up.


religion was not an inborn heritage for him

The facts beg to differ, I'm afraid. Elvis was born into a religious family in a religious part of a religious country. That was his heritage, he couldn't escape it.

Part of Elvis' conflict - which no one ever seems to talk about - is the guilt be probably felt by "wandering" off to study other belief systems. I think that his own belief in the Christian God and Jesus wasn't enough for him. Obviously, Christianity (or his version of it) failed to answer many questions for him. Otherwise, why would he have bothered to explore elsewhere?

But, as to the poll, he was clearly both religious and spiritual. And therein lies the conflict.

Sensibly, as he grew up, he rejected the idea that Christianity was the be all and end all of what was/is going on in the world.

[4THEHEART]

had he surrounded by broader and free minds,we could have learned more of his sincere feelings and views about these subjects but I believe he had no one to share and voice them openly..so he kept more to himself..I also do not think he was a desperate searcher..he find a way and walked some miles along that way..
as for God..not intend to offend anyone but I never believed the well known concept of God but believed that this is something we already are..it's no one or nothing out of us or the whole universe..we're not puppets in the hands of a great power,we are the power itself only need to be aware of this and this it seems will take a long journey..when you feel this way,all the other realities as life and death has completely gain different perspectives and that's why I believe some kinda life will continue after our physical lives are over..it wouldn't be fair and just to disappear forever without being enlightened..
sorry for bothering y'all with my own views..still learning to talk less of those subjects and am not good at this..:blush:

[ehollier]

Part of Elvis' conflict - which no one ever seems to talk about - is the guilt be probably felt by "wandering" off to study other belief systems.

I will also go a step further to say that his interest and search during the 60's and 70's to find answers was a search to assuage the guilt of the lifestyle that he had adopted, become so attracted and part of - the drugs, infidelity, straying from his talent. Also, he had to have known that the things that he had done and was participating in wouldn't have been things that his mother would have approved and she would have been extremely disappointed. For most people, the mother issue would be a factor, but we all know that Elvis and his mother are different than most so the mother issue has to play a part in this quest for spirituality.

[Unchained Melody]

I will also go a step further to say that his interest and search during the 60's and 70's to find answers was a search to assuage the guilt of the lifestyle that he had adopted, become so attracted and part of - the drugs, infidelity, straying from his talent. Also, he had to have known that the things that he had done and was participating in wouldn't have been things that his mother would have approved and she would have been extremely disappointed. For most people, the mother issue would be a factor, but we all know that Elvis and his mother are different than most so the mother issue has to play a part in this quest for spirituality.

Completely agreed !!

Elvis I'm sure felt like he was doing things that he was always taught not to do as a child and felt guilty i'm sure....but given how Elvis was thrown into excess of drugs women and everything i'm sure it would have been difficult for anyone not to fall for them..and elvis was no different.

[Diane]

Agreed. Elvis found himself caught up in a totally different lifestyle than what he grew up with. I'm sure he enjoyed it a first as it must have been pretty heady stuff, but after a while it started to weigh on him and he turned to religious books to try and find why it had happened to him and how to deal with it all.

Unfortunately, you can't find those answers in books or even from another person, how you deal with life comes from deep within yourself and some answers are never found.

I think all this was a cry for help that was never answered. Sad......

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Agreed. Elvis found himself caught up in a totally different lifestyle than what he grew up with. I'm sure he enjoyed it a first as it must have been pretty heady stuff, but after a while it started to weigh on him and he turned to religious books to try and find why it had happened to him and how to deal with it all.

Unfortunately, you can't find those answers in books or even from another person, how you deal with life comes from deep within yourself and some answers are never found.

I think all this was a cry for help that was never answered. Sad......

Diane

I think Elvis thought he was truly sent here for a special reason..whether it was to bring people together through his music or whatever the case may be. and I think he really did just that...even if he never realized what that was..i think he was searching for what his purpose in life was..but he was only 42, some people never realize what their purpose in life is i dont think..i think he live our lives and do what he have to do and do the best we can throughout it all..and elvis was the same imo.

[4THEHEART]

I'm not sad about Elvis's spiritual search or journey..as I said before it wasn't desperate or wasn't going no where ..people who read books are not do that with a hope of finding an exact answer in them,it's just helps to get richer and broader in mind and a multi layers of possibilities widens our vision and brings out our own thoughts and views.As for guilt,well he was long enough in entertainment to have an idea of it's patterns and am sure tried to find a balance between his ever growing sprituality and show biz must do's which was hard and painful at times.yet I never use the drug and women expression for his lifestyle,cause don't think of his relationships with women so low or simple or disconnected from his spiritual side..and also drugs,sorry again but being someone who never will accept "he enjoyed them" idea,he wasn't a typical R&R star profile for me, so more than guilt, guess he accepted what he did was what he had to do, to reach so many people around the world..but later on, with this achievement maybe he wanted to go further in helping masses and maybe for the future he wanted to do this in a more free,more his own way..he was a soul who needed to expand endlessly and for me this was the reason of what he was into in last half of his life.nothing to do with the bordom or guilt..

[Unchained Melody]

It made the Colonel and the guys around him mad when Larry Gellar was giving him all those books to read and when he was heavy into that spiritual stuff in the mid to late 60s around 66-67...he wasn't in good shape then from stories ive read from Jerry Shilling and others...:'(

[4THEHEART]

what kind of a person can get mad for some individual's preference of books..how pitiful,miserable were those people ..who told them they can have a word in Elvis' choice of books specially, with their pea size brains and zero awareness of whats going on in the big picture..utterly daring.:angry: being in good shape in such an environment?? how?

[Unchained Melody]

what kind of a person can get mad for some individual's preference of books..how pitiful,miserable were those people ..who told them they can have a word in Elvis' choice of books specially, with their pea size brains and zero awareness of whats going on in the big picture..utterly daring.:angry: being in good shape in such an environment?? how?

I agree with you here...If Elvis wanted to read books on religion then thats his choice..but I don't think it was that was why they were mad, I think it was because it was changing his behavior and it was when he started giving those sermons about religion that they got tired of...

[Diane]

Joe also said in a television interview that Elvis wasn't into partying during that time and the MM didn't like that.

And what gave the Colonel the right to take Elvis' religious books and burn them?

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Joe also said in a television interview that Elvis wasn't into partying during that time and the MM didn't like that.

And what gave the Colonel the right to take Elvis' religious books and burn them?

Diane

Didn't that happen when Elvis fell and hit his head and Colonel was furious as hell and thats when he Made elvis get rid of Larry Gellar who would return in 1976...and it was obvious elvis was bad in the drugs even then and this was the late 60's.

[Diane]

Very well could have Jon but still I feel the Colonel overstepped his bounds as a manager. He didn't want anything or anyone in the way of getting Elvis on that stage and raking in the money.

I truly think that if Elvis had been willing to go into some kind of rehabilitation the Colonel would have squelched it because he wouldn't have wanted him to be out of commission that long. He would have used short-fix Dr. Nick like he always had.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Very well could have Jon but still I feel the Colonel overstepped his bounds as a manager. He didn't want anything or anyone in the way of getting Elvis on that stage and raking in the money.

I truly think that if Elvis had been willing to go into some kind of rehabilitation the Colonel would have squelched it because he wouldn't have wanted him to be out of commission that long. He would have used short-fix Dr. Nick like he always had.

Diane

You know John O Grady talked to Priscilla and others in April or May it was of 1976 after he had seen Elvis in Lake Tahoe and seen how awful he was....and right after that the idea was brought up to Elvis and Elvis simply said they all can go die....

[Diane]

He was way too far gone then to be able to think straight enough to admit he needed help...and he sure did need it.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

He was way too far gone then to be able to think straight enough to admit he needed help...and he sure did need it.

Diane

So sad yet so true Diane :supriced:

[4THEHEART]

he did need help but to get rid of the people around him,only than he could've scheduled a program for his health problems..he needed time as much as it would take and not to get his brain chewed every minute by those guys including that Parker thing..they all loved the image Elvis they loved the fun part,loved the money making playful Elvis not the deeper Elvis, the inner feelings he began not to hide as much as he did before..there was nothing wrong in those books to change someone's behaviour to anything abnormal or insane..the behaviour they didn't like was Elvis' ownself he needed more time alone, more time to get involved with whatever he was interested in even the limited time he shared with his daughter must annoyed them..Elvis's new needs was unacceptable for those so called friends..they needed the clown to entertain and take care of them forever..

[Unchained Melody]

he did need help but to get rid of the people around him,only than he could've scheduled a program for his health problems..he needed time as much as it would take and not to get his brain chewed every minute by those guys including that Parker thing..they all loved the image Elvis they loved the fun part,loved the money making playful Elvis not the deeper Elvis, the inner feelings he began not to hide as much as he did before..there was nothing wrong in those books to change someone's behaviour to anything abnormal or insane..the behaviour they didn't like was Elvis' ownself he needed more time alone, more time to get involved with whatever he was interested in even the limited time he shared with his daughter must annoyed them..Elvis's new needs was unacceptable for those so called friends..they needed the clown to entertain and take care of them forever..

I agree with you that they shouldve let him read whatever he wanted to i mean he was a grown man for godsake. But i'm sure they didnt like that elvis then...it was around the time he bought Circle G ranch and was buying 40 trucks at a time and stuff..and he was making people accept them and was deep in the religous stuff...he wasnt fun anymore then to be around it was like everything was being forced...and one night he had Jerry drive him to memphis to find a doctor to find some pills Elvis said he had to have..so its a combination of things..the guys around him were totally wrong in the way they thought about it something was obviously wrong and they wanted elvis to be like he had beensince they known him the happy guy who wanted to have fun and enjoyed his life...jmo

[Diane]

The point I keep trying to make is that if Elvis had straightened up the MM would have had to as well and they didn't want that, they wanted to continue to party. I don't think they thought it out that way but that's what would have happened or they would have been out the door.

Diane

[KPM]

Joe also said in a television interview that Elvis wasn't into partying during that time and the MM didn't like that.

And what gave the Colonel the right to take Elvis' religious books and burn them?
Diane
I agree-IMO Elvis starts to show some revolt in the reading of these books which I'm sure The COl felt were just senseless (and a personal direction which Parker probably feared)IMO Parker just did not understand the need- "to look for answers as Elvis did" He was a dollars and cents person-(how do you enter the worth of those answers on a ledger book.)
IMO Parker was not worried about the drug intake, nor health issues it seems as long as Elvis kept to the schedule of movie after movie into a nightmare-then later as long as Elvis kept the concert dates and commitments in Vegas. I'm sure if they kept Elvis moving and on schedule Parker saw the medications as helping-it was the interruption of the tours and commitments which sparked Parker to any action.
Judy Garland is a prime example of someone who from an early age was kept working late, dieting, and on schedule with uppers and downers (considered safe tools ar the time) at MGM.
It was standard practice to use them to keep stars trim and movies on budget. Then when the cycle had taken a huge toll on Garland-she was dropped by MGM. She never could break the cycle, and paid with her life.
I think Parker may have felt they were safe tools at first for Elvis and his sleep problems-but then the next step is getting fully awake and a doctor then prescribes the "pep pills" Elvis got them in the Army and they give you that huge burst-so he gets out and remembers,
"Wow they gave me such energy and when I have trouble sleeping- I need energy. The Army gave them to me and it worked"
I've said this before-if you did not live through those decades it hard to fully realize the difference in how doctors and medications were perceived-the testing for new drugs was much looser and the studys done by drug companies were almost taken as gospel (at least until the 60s).
Everything was safe, each new thing was a "Safe Miracle Cure"
The mindset on prescribed medicine was 360 degress opposite of what it is today.

[presley31]

The point I keep trying to make is that if Elvis had straightened up the MM would have had to as well and they didn't want that, they wanted to continue to party. I don't think they thought it out that way but that's what would have happened or they would have been out the door.

Diane

agree diane

if elvis was just the normal guy who didn't party or do drugs than chances are his friends wouldn't stuck with him along as they did ;)

[Diane]

No doubt about that at all Jen. They were there to bask in his glory and to take advantage of all what being associated with him brought.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

agree diane

if elvis was just the normal guy who didn't party or do drugs than chances are his friends wouldn't stuck with him along as they did ;)

If it was towards the end of his life then I strongly disagree with you then. They wanted him to get off that crap as bad as anyone and couldnt do anyone..Lamar Fike atleast had enough guts to tell elvis what he thought about him taking that crap.....many didnt.

[presley31]

If it was towards the end of his life then I strongly disagree with you then. They wanted him to get off that crap as bad as anyone and couldnt do anyone..Lamar Fike atleast had enough guts to tell elvis what he thought about him taking that crap.....many didnt.

I'am talking about the early 60's and up.

[Unchained Melody]

I'am talking about the early 60's and up.

Ok then that you probably are right then we talking about those years but when they seen that the stuff was going to kill him they tried helping imo all they could.

[KPM]

If it was towards the end of his life then I strongly disagree with you then. They wanted him to get off that crap as bad as anyone and couldnt do anyone..Lamar Fike atleast had enough guts to tell elvis what he thought about him taking that crap.....many didnt.
Col. Jon anytime Lamar says he told Elvis anything of a controversial nature I have to take it with a grain of salt. Its hard to believe that Lamar who has been called by some "Elvis's whipping boy" would suddenly have these moments of great courage to actually confront Elvis on this type thing. So when he tells these stories-I ask myself does it sound like the Lamar I've read about. Sometimes I think maybe "it was what he was thinking at that moment in time-"and would have liked to have said.;)

[Diane]

It's also true that anything any of them have said since Elvis is gone may be what they want people to think was going on and to make themselves look good. There's no way of finding out whether they are telling the truth about a lot of things. Some back each other up and some stay silent because they don't want to get involved. Just because some say it doesn't make it real.

Diane

[4THEHEART]

it must be easy to talk now for those guys,so wise in their almost 70's and with all the experiences..c'mon !..help from them wasn't possible with the truth of who they are and the way they never cared what Elvis was after..as I said before ,I don't believe they ever get interested in the inner Elvis or his tribulations. didn't even show any interest to let him share his views on different subjects just ridiculed him with their narrow minds.Their boss was getting too boring for those gang while the party was going on and they never bother to undertands..now they are alive and free to talk every bs they wish to..so let them be..who cares..

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

There is definitely a frosty reception here for the MM. I agree there is more than a smidgeon of exaggeration from the good old boys but to say they are outright lying or didn't care for Elvis and the philosophies he was delving into just isn't right either IMO.

They perhaps had seen Elvis go beyond just taking substances for recreational use and take it to level where it was no longer fun for anyone.

There is perhaps a kernel of truth that Elvis pushed the guys who persisted with the drug issue away!

Sometimes I believe that the MM are being punnished for surviving.

[utmom2008]

Col. Jon anytime Lamar says he told Elvis anything of a controversial nature I have to take it with a grain of salt. Its hard to believe that Lamar who has been called by some "Elvis's whipping boy" would suddenly have these moments of great courage to actually confront Elvis on this type thing. So when he tells these stories-I ask myself does it sound like the Lamar I've read about. Sometimes I think maybe "it was what he was thinking at that moment in time-"and would have liked to have said.;)

I agree with you totally on this one. Lamar had been the whipping boy and the butt of all the jokes from day one. I'm betting that Lamar NEVER said ONE word to Elvis on a touchy subject. He may have wanted to...but he didn't.:blush::blink:

[Diane]

I'm sure that some of the things the MM say are true, but also some things are exaggerated for their benefit and some things are just plain fantasy in their minds.

I think what bothers some of us who speak up against them is that they were so darn quick to jump into the spotlight after Elvis died and took full advantage of their association with him. In that case, if he was still supporting him after his death for heaven's sake, could they not have kept some things to themselves in respect for him? They've been milking him for all he's worth after all these years instead of like say Red who went on to make a living on his own. They took the easy way out and are still getting their parties and women which is what they've always lived for.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Col. Jon anytime Lamar says he told Elvis anything of a controversial nature I have to take it with a grain of salt. Its hard to believe that Lamar who has been called by some "Elvis's whipping boy" would suddenly have these moments of great courage to actually confront Elvis on this type thing. So when he tells these stories-I ask myself does it sound like the Lamar I've read about. Sometimes I think maybe "it was what he was thinking at that moment in time-"and would have liked to have said.;)

Very True Ken.

Lamar did take a beating somewhat from Elvis and the guys but it was a brotherly thing I think.

But Like Matt has said, to come out and for many to say whatever the MM say is lies and they were leaches, is not fair a-tall either.

I feel this thread getting off topic and fast like many others! :lmfao::king:

[Sonny]

As long as it's a little off topic in a cool way that's just fine.

But try to stick to the poll question.

The MM has had enough threads for a while :D

[KPM]

Very True Ken.

Lamar did take a beating somewhat from Elvis and the guys but it was a brotherly thing I think.

But Like Matt has said, to come out and for many to say whatever the MM say is lies and they were leaches, is not fair a-tall either.

I feel this thread getting off topic and fast like many others! :lmfao::king:
I just feel that from what I have read about Lamar it sounds out of character for him to have these moments where he "Lays it on the line" to Elvis.
Another story I've heard him tell is something about telling Elvis on his plane (paraphrasing)"to get his fat a** up" and supposedly Elvis laughed and said something like,
"You've waited 20 years to say that to me" or something to that effect.
It just does not sound like something Lamar would say to Elvis and it did not sound like something Elvis would have laughed at. Those type things are the ones where I use a grain of salt.
But we are getting off topic I apologise for that.

[presley31]

I voted for both. i have never been someone who was into gospal music or even could stand listerning to it, but elvis gospal l can listern to anytime cause he puts so much feelings in to them that its hard not to get carried away while listernig.

[Unchained Melody]

I just feel that from what I have read about Lamar it sounds out of character for him to have these moments where he "Lays it on the line" to Elvis.
Another story I've heard him tell is something about telling Elvis on his plane (paraphrasing)"to get his fat a** up" and supposedly Elvis laughed and said something like,
"You've waited 20 years to say that to me" or something to that effect.
It just does not sound like something Lamar would say to Elvis and it did not sound like something Elvis would have laughed at. Those type things are the ones where I use a grain of salt.
But we are getting off topic I apologise for that.

I agree Ken..i've also heard that story aswell. I say some of it has some truth to it but I doubt Lamar would have come flat out and called Elvis a fat a$$. elvis would've probably shoved him out of the plan :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[4THEHEART]

he would've been happpier with friends who could joke about him like that..I think he could tolerate jokes,even if it's just for the sake of a joke being made..I don't see the monster,dictator boss in him as the way it's been spreaded around and strongly believe he needed some honesty and strong characters around him..

[Unchained Melody]

he would've been happpier with friends who could joke about him like that..I think he could tolerate jokes,even if it's just for the sake of a joke being made..I don't see the monster,dictator boss in him as the way it's been spreaded around and strongly believe he needed some honesty and strong characters around him..

I'm in agreement with you there. That's why he loved having all the guys from the MM around him, he could be himself and didn't have to put up a front around them fellows.

[renapap05]

Both... And I love the way he sang gospel. :notworthy

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