Elvis and priscilla's wedding

[Brian]

I have heard from a few Elvis fans on the internet that Priscilla says in her book that she was disappointed in her wedding that it was over real quick and Red and a few others weren't there. I also heard that Priscilla was disappointed in her's and Elvis wedding night they waited for so long that when they finally did consummate their relationship it was a let down.
I have never read Priscilla's book but I know it was popular and a lot of fans have read it. So I was just wondering if anyone can tell me what Priscilla said exactly about her's and Elvis wedding and their wedding night
If someone could fill me in a would greatly appreciate it.

P.S.Everyone here is so nice it's a breathe of fresh air compared to when you say something that is true and is backed up by several sources and you got the biggest jerk and know it all Dr. Carpenter calling you a liar
I would like to give you my thanks again, I hope to hear from you on my questions

[utmom2008]

Hey Brian! I will pull mine out and look that part up again, but I am 99% sure Priscilla said nothing like that. I remember nothing about the wedding night being a let down, but I will get back with you.;):P:D

[presley31]

pris says nothing about being let down on her wedding night, if l remember right she was happy at the time, till they went to the ranch with the guys and than she felt let down cause she wanted time with her new husband. Can't really blame her there, thats every girls dream to be alone with there man on there honeymoon.

[cameron]

pris says nothing about being let down on her wedding night, if l remember right she was happy at the time, till they went to the ranch with the guys and than she felt let down cause she wanted time with her new husband. Can't really blame her there, thats every girls dream to be alone with there man on there honeymoon.

Yes, that was all that was said. On having all the MM around, I certainly don't blame her for that.

[Diane]

If I remember Priscilla's book correctly, she said just the opposite that their wedding night was all she had dreamed of. I don't remember reading a thing about her opinion about the wedding ceremony.

Diane

[utmom2008]

If I remember Priscilla's book correctly, she said just the opposite that their wedding night was all she had dreamed of. I don't remember reading a thing about her opinion about the wedding ceremony.

Diane

I agree Diane....that is EXACTLY how I remembered it as well. Somebody was filling Brian's head with a bunch of nonsense.;);)

[Brian]

I agree Diane....that is EXACTLY how I remembered it as well. Somebody was filling Brian's head with a bunch of nonsense.;);)

My mistake I have never read her book so I didn't know does anyone have her book at hand and can tell me exactly what she said about the matter.
It seems Priscilla in a lot of ways blames the Memphis mafia for her marriage not working out as well as I have heard her talk about it

[Diane]

Like I have said many times, I am not a Priscilla fan but if I had been in her place I would not have appreciated having that many people around day in and day out in my house either. How could a woman feel it was her home?

Diane

[utmom2008]

Like I have said many times, I am not a Priscilla fan but if I had been in her place I would not have appreciated having that many people around day in and day out in my house either. How could a woman feel it was her home?

Diane

Agreed Diane. It must have been like living in a fraternity house as a newlywed. Elvis and the MM had their own version of "Animal House" going on, and it even included Scatter.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

My mistake I have never read her book so I didn't know does anyone have her book at hand and can tell me exactly what she said about the matter.
It seems Priscilla in a lot of ways blames the Memphis mafia for her marriage not working out as well as I have heard her talk about it

Here ya go Brian......Gently, his lips touched mine and he looked deeply into my eyes. "My wife he said as he drew me near....."I love you Cilla" as his body covered mine. The intensity of emotion I was experiencing was electrifying. The desire and lust that had built up in me thru the years exploded in a frenzy of passion. As I went from child to woman, the long frustrating adventure that E and I had shared all seemed worthwhile. It was special...HE made it special, just as he did with everything he took pride in.

OK...now I feel like I should send you a bill or something.:lol::lol: This was almost a case of internet porn..the old-fashioned Elvis way.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[MojoElvis]

So it wasn't enough for Priscilla to get her dad threaten Elvis to keep his promise. When Elvis had no intentions for marriage with her. That's why he got so doped up that he tripped over the blow dryer cord.
Her book is total BS anyway, she white washed it to make her look like a victim when she knew what she was getting into.
That relationship was all about money from the start. What parent in their right mind would let a a 14 year old stay at, The King Of Rock n Roll's house all night and then at 16 move in with the biggest sex symbol of the century.
I've caught her in so many lies while she's being interview, it's funny.

[utmom2008]

So it wasn't enough for Priscilla to get her dad threaten Elvis to keep his promise. When Elvis had no intentions for marriage with her. That's why he got so doped up that he tripped over the blow dryer cord.

Everyone knows by now that I am not a Prissy fan, BUT, I don't think the thought of marriage to her made Elvis get so doped up that tripped over the cord.:supriced: If that is truly the case, then what was on his mind all of the other times when he was way too doped up?:);) Surely he wasn't still mad about that.;);););)

[Wendy56]

Gently, his lips touched mine and he looked deeply into my eyes. 'My wife' he said as he drew me near.....'I love you Cilla' as his body covered mine. The intensity of emotion I was experiencing was electrifying. The desire and lust that had built up in me thru the years exploded in a frenzy of passion. As I went from child to woman, the long frustrating adventure that E and I had shared all seemed worthwhile. It was special...HE made it special, just as he did with everything he took pride in.

I'm almost sure: Priscilla hired a writer... one that knew how to write a low-porn text. :P And come on... what satisfaction can someone get by sayin how was her (sex) session with Elvis? :blink: I would love to keep it as private.

P.S: I remember an interview made by Barbara Walters, where Priscilla says that she did many "sexy" photo sessions for Elvis... (a weel know story) Anyway, I recall this interview because seems to be an interesting one, and you may like to see it. If anyone here knows where can I find the complete tv show or text, I'll thank you very much. :D

[MojoElvis]

Everyone knows by now that I am not a Prissy fan, BUT, I don't think the thought of marriage to her made Elvis get so doped up that tripped over the cord.:supriced: If that is truly the case, then what was on his mind all of the other times when he was way too doped up?:);) Surely he wasn't still mad about that.;);););)

True but I read that this was right after he spoke to her dad. He basically told Elvis that if he didn't marry her, he'd go to the press with the story.
Marty Lacker, states in the Revelation book. He said, Elvis said, I guess I have to marry her. Doesn't sound like someone in love to me.
She had the look he wanted for to her have his kids that look like him, but he didn't want that commitment at that time.
I can honestly say that, I really can't stand to look at her or sleezy mother and father. When I saw them in that video, first I thing I thought was, "Ok? Talk about someone putting their family on TV and trying to reinvent Elvis History"

[MissyM]

Of course he said he had to marry her. Look, it was not the 50's! Think about it. Who do you think would have come out looking bad after this much time, Daddy or Elvis.
Daddy, let's his daughter go live there with the hottest rich guy of that time. Elvis, who has his GF live with him for an extended period of time. It was the 70's for gosh sakes. You know "free love" the sexual revolution. At best if would have been tabloid fodder for a week or two. Nothing more.

But.....if he had gotten her pregnant and not married her....now that would have really damaged his reputation. You know, Elvis the man who had the image of being so honorable.

Yes see what I'm getting at?? Logic and common sense will tell you that she tricked him and oh ya, daddy was involved in that! She lied to him too. But as always, believe what you want.

[nyc]

True but I read that this was right after he spoke to her dad. He basically told Elvis that if he didn't marry her, he'd go to the press with the story.
Marty Lacker, states in the Revelation book. He said, Elvis said, I guess I have to marry her. Doesn't sound like someone in love to me.
She had the look he wanted for to her have his kids that look like him, but he didn't want that commitment at that time.
I can honestly say that, I really can't stand to look at her or sleezy mother and father. When I saw them in that video, first I thing I thought was, "Ok? Talk about someone putting their family on TV and trying to reinvent Elvis History"

In Elvis by the Presleys, Priscilla's parents didn't exactly do a great job explaining why they allowed their teenage daughter to get involved with an older rock star, IMO. And I agree with MissyM that Priscilla's father would have had a hard time blackmailing Elvis, because Priscilla's parents put her on a plane and sent her off to visit Elvis and then live in Memphis before she'd turned 18. Priscilla's father was an officer and Elvis was in the military when they met, and if Priscilla's parents didn't want their daughter hanging around with Elvis, it would have been easy enough for them to stop the relationship.

I'm not sure I believe much that the MM and Priscilla say about each other, given the dislike on both sides.

One thing about the blackmail theory, though - for a man supposedly being blackmailed, Elvis looked pretty happy in the wedding pictures, and in the home videos of him and Priscilla.

Maybe the right answer is the simple one. Elvis felt an obligation to marry Priscilla, because he'd brought her to Memphis as a teenager, and he thought it was time to get married when he was over 30.

[ElvisPresleyUK]

In Elvis by the Presleys, Priscilla's parents didn't exactly do a great job explaining why they allowed their teenage daughter to get involved with an older rock star, IMO.

If you read the book aswell the stories contradict with the whole blackmail thing...as in the book Pri's dad talks about Elvis honouring his agreement, but in the program they say that never happened :doh:

[presley31]

In priscilla book it states that for priscila for live with elvis she had to finish school and live with vernon and dee(which she did for a day). In fact he coudn't live without me, he said intimating that one day we we'd marry. IMO elvis did go alot of stuff for priscilla to move to the graceland, but it makes me wonder what elvis really said to pris parents cause they won't happy from the last visit when priscilla look like a vegas girl.

[MissyM]

Someone tell me where it says that Elvis said he would marry her when they made the agreement to let her come finish school there? He barely knew her. He saw her a total of how many months in Germany and then she visited once? In the mean time he was dating all kinds of other women? Does that makes sense to anyone? This whole thing happened between Cilla, Elvis, the Col. and her father. Those are the witnesses to it. All else is heresay. They made an agreement to let her finish school. Then the parents just let her stay there after. She finished school just months after she got there. By then she was 18 so what could they do???
But what parents would let her to come knowing she had this crush? What did they really think she would come back to them? Did they really think that nothing would happen? Hogwash. They knew exactly what they were doing. And when they all didn't get what they wanted, Cilla made sure they would. The end result is all you need to look at to see the real deal.

[utmom2008]

Someone tell me where it says that Elvis said he would marry her when they made the agreement to let her come finish school there? He barely knew her. He saw her a total of how many months in Germany and then she visited once? In the mean time he was dating all kinds of other women? Does that makes sense to anyone?

Finally...a voice of reason.:lol: The biggest scoundrels in Elvis' past were Paul and Ann. They saw dollar signs through the eyes of their FOURTEEN year old daughter.:blink::blink::blink:;););)

[The King's Queen]

OK...now I feel like I should send you a bill or something.:lol::lol: This was almost a case of internet porn..the old-fashioned Elvis way.

:supriced::supriced:ROSIE! I didn't dream of you writing internet pornography...but hey, if it were all about Elvis, you could make a killing right here girlfriend!! (y);):P


Of course he said he had to marry her. Look, it was not the 50's! Think about it. Who do you think would have come out looking bad after this much time, Daddy or Elvis.
Daddy, let's his daughter go live there with the hottest rich guy of that time. Elvis, who has his GF live with him for an extended period of time. It was the 70's for gosh sakes. You know "free love" the sexual revolution. At best if would have been tabloid fodder for a week or two. Nothing more.

But.....if he had gotten her pregnant and not married her....now that would have really damaged his reputation. You know, Elvis the man who had the image of being so honorable.

Yes see what I'm getting at?? Logic and common sense will tell you that she tricked him and oh ya, daddy was involved in that! She lied to him too. But as always, believe what you want.


Someone tell me where it says that Elvis said he would marry her when they made the agreement to let her come finish school there? He barely knew her. He saw her a total of how many months in Germany and then she visited once? In the mean time he was dating all kinds of other women? Does that makes sense to anyone? This whole thing happened between Cilla, Elvis, the Col. and her father. Those are the witnesses to it. All else is heresay. They made an agreement to let her finish school. Then the parents just let her stay there after. She finished school just months after she got there. By then she was 18 so what could they do???
But what parents would let her to come knowing she had this crush? What did they really think she would come back to them? Did they really think that nothing would happen? Hogwash. They knew exactly what they were doing. And when they all didn't get what they wanted, Cilla made sure they would. The end result is all you need to look at to see the real deal.

:notworthy:notworthy Missy...YOU SAID IT ALL RIGHT HERE! (y) I have said it for years and years...it was a VERY well laid plan, and when all else failed, I too believe she used a "trump" card...if you get my meaning! :doh: I think it should be clearly obvious to anyone who would look at it objectively, that Elvis was not tearing off his toenails trying to get to the wedding alter! :hmm: And I distinctly remember reading where his jeweler wrote that Elvis had ordered the ring, but took LOTS of time picking it up. And when he finally did, he was hesitant, at best. According to him, Elvis even mildly discussed it with him...his uncertainty, his hesitance, his lack of enthusiasm over the whole sha-bang! He was cornered...face it! No way out. Did what he felt he had to do, with the "gentle" persuasion of the Colonel and Paul. Elvis was NEVER gonna go back to being a poor boy...so he was NOT going to risk a serious blow to his career at that point. Like I said, a very well laid and orchestrated plan that achieved exactly what they wanted....Pris was a Presley. That meant financial security and gain for all of them.
Great posts Missy...you def have the right idea, IMO!! (y)(y)


Finally...a voice of reason.:lol: The biggest scoundrels in Elvis' past were Paul and Ann. They saw dollar signs through the eyes of their FOURTEEN year old daughter.:blink:

You got it Rosie...! The question should not be whether or not he was forced into marrying her. The question that bears answering would be "What kind of parents/people would use their own child in such a way?" :supriced::blink::hmm:

[Donut]

From "Elvis and Me".

Elvis talking to Priscilla´s father:
"Elvis promised to enroll me in a Catholic school and make sure I graduated. Declaring his intentions honorable, he swore that he loved and needed and respected me. In fact he couldn´t live without me, he said, intimating that one day we´d marry"

"I intended to do whatever I had to hold him, because if he ever sent me home, it would have meant not only that I´d been wrong in going to him, but that my parents had been wrong for having permitted it. I firmly resolved to make our relationship work, no matter what."

"We are going to be married, Elvis said. Our love would no longer be a secret. I´d be free to travel openly Mrs. Elvis Presley without the fear of inspiring some scandalous headlines".

"I know that Col Parker asked him to take a long look at our relationship and decide where he wanted it to go. Curiously enough, after his talk with Colonel, it didn´t take him long to decide the time was ripe."

"What is it?" my father asked peering at my hand. "Well sir, that´s an engagement ring"
Tears trembled in my mother´s eyes. "My God", she said softly. "It´s beautiful". They were both ecstatic. We loved letting them know what they´d so long hoped and prayed for had now come to pass.

I think is very clear what happened there, even though Elvis should be held responsible too for playing house with a 14 year old girl.

[Diane]

Donut, I agree with you to a point. It's clear in Priscilla's eyes anyway but Elvis couldn't have played house with such a young girl if her parents hadn't sanctioned it in the first place....she was THEIR responsibility.

Diane

[presley31]

Donut, I agree with you to a point. It's clear in Priscilla's eyes anyway but Elvis couldn't have played house with such a young girl if her parents hadn't sanctioned it in the first place....she was THEIR responsibility.

Diane


I have my doubts it was priscilla stepfather but more col and priscilla's mother who really was behind the whole wedding thing, but even so if they didn't get married, we wouldn't have Lisa here today and thats something maybe to take into consideration.

[Donut]

Donut, I agree with you to a point. It's clear in Priscilla's eyes anyway but Elvis couldn't have played house with such a young girl if her parents hadn't sanctioned it in the first place....she was THEIR responsibility.

Diane

That´s true too Diane. I don´t think they would have allowed her to live with Elvis if he were yet a truck driver living in the projects. Sometimes I wonder why didn´t they bring her back home after all the stories of his romantic affairs in the years before the wedding... no wait... I know why ;).

[presley31]

We can discuss this forever but IMO we will never know the real turth of what really went down in the marriage and the books don't really tell you that far, but for a guy who didn't want to get married looked really happy on that day so it makes me wonder what the real story is..

What was the legal age you could leave home without your parents primmsion?? It was 16 at one time.

[cameron]

IMO, it was the parents that were negligent in allowing that young of a child to even be connected to someone like EP in the first place.
Lots of teenage girls would have loved to "live with Elvis."
But. how many parents would have allowed it---even today?
I wouldn't , no matter how big of a fit she threw.

You're right Jen, we quite possibly wouldn't have Lisa.
Biut, then again we could . Just by a different mother . ;)

[presley31]

IMO, it was the parents that were negligent in allowing that young of a child to even be connected to someone like EP in the first place.
Lots of teenage girls would have loved to "live with Elvis."
But. how many parents would have allowed it---even today?
I wouldn't , no matter how big of a fit she threw.

You're right Jen, we quite possibly wouldn't have Lisa.
Biut, then again we could . Just by a different mother . ;)

Sometimes l have to ask myself what was elvis thinking being with a girl at 14 years old?? she was just a child still for heaven sake and if l remember right vernon didn't like the idea at all, but elvis did what elvis wanted. Yep you are right cameron Lisa might be here alright but with a different mother. Wonder how much lisa would look like elvis than?? priscilla and him did make a beauiful baby who looks like her father in everyway.

[cameron]

Sometimes l have to ask myself what was elvis thinking being with a girl at 14 years old?? she was just a child still for heaven sake and if l remember right vernon didn't like the idea at all, but elvis did what elvis wanted. Yep you are right cameron Lisa might be here alright but with a different mother. Wonder how much lisa would look like elvis than?? priscilla and him did make a beauiful baby who looks like her father in everyway.

That wasn't to put Priscilla down in any way.
IMO, there were female fans that wouldn't have liked any woman Elvis married. Especially since they got a divorce.

Since learning more about Elvis the person ; I don't believe that he ever grew up. That contributed to a lot of his problems in life,IMO.
I can't blame anyone really, just the way his life unfolded.

[presley31]

That wasn't to put Priscilla down in any way.
IMO, there were female fans that wouldn't have liked any woman Elvis married. Especially since they got a divorce.

Since learning more about Elvis the person ; I don't believe that he ever grew up. That contributed to a lot of his problems in life,IMO.
I can't blame anyone really, just the way his life unfolded.

I agree..If gladys was alive there would be no priscilla in elvis life IMO. She wouldn't lke her son dating someone that young and anita just might of got her wish to marry elvis, but l doubt the col would of allowed that to happen though:doh:

[Diane]

It was said that Priscilla acted much older than she was so that was probably why Elvis didn't see her as a child but a young innocent girl which is what she wanted....and you will never get me to believe that she was innocent even at that age. I knew plenty that weren't even younger. It hasn't changed today but just more in the open than it was then.

Diane

[presley31]

It was said that Priscilla acted much older than she was so that was probably why Elvis didn't see her as a child but a young innocent girl which is what she wanted....and you will never get me to believe that she was innocent even at that age. I knew plenty that weren't even younger. It hasn't changed today but just more in the open than it was then.

Diane

true diane, but after hearing her age elvis should of steped back and realised it would be nothing but problems as she grew up. Most of the time she lived with elvis she was just a teenager trying to act like a big girl in a grown up world.

[The King's Queen]

It was said that Priscilla acted much older than she was so that was probably why Elvis didn't see her as a child but a young innocent girl which is what she wanted....and you will never get me to believe that she was innocent even at that age. I knew plenty that weren't even younger. It hasn't changed today but just more in the open than it was then.

Diane

Diane, you get some kudos for this post!! (y) And we should also remember that back in those days, girls did marry very young...so I'm sure with Elvis being from the South, he probably didn't think of her as a "child", as we would think of it now. To us being 14, 15, 16 years old is still being a child. But my Mom married at 16. Her mother married at 15. It was a different era. I still think though that if her homelife was as prim and proper as Ann would like for everyone to believe, she would NEVER have allowed her daughter to "shack up" with Elvis Presley! I can't see how she felt it okay to allow her daughter to come and go until all hours of the night (school nights to boot!) just to play around with Elvis. Pris wasn't all that innocent...face it, she knew what she was doing. She was trained, I believe from an early age to settle for nothing less than the best she could get. She got it alright, but she had a hard time wrestling him into it too! Did anyone ever consider this: IF Elvis was that wildly in love with Pris, couldn't possibly live without her...if her parents had told him that they would give their blessing for them to marry, but that they wouldn't allow her to go that far away to live a lifestyle beyond their control...wouldn't he have married her then and there just to be with her??? Think about it...lots of people, big stars even, wed young girls back then. But hey, I guess he figured why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free??? :blink::lmfao::lmfao:

[presley31]

Diane, you get some kudos for this post!! (y) And we should also remember that back in those days, girls did marry very young...so I'm sure with Elvis being from the South, he probably didn't think of her as a "child", as we would think of it now. To us being 14, 15, 16 years old is still being a child. But my Mom married at 16. Her mother married at 15. It was a different era. I still think though that if her homelife was as prim and proper as Ann would like for everyone to believe, she would NEVER have allowed her daughter to "shack up" with Elvis Presley! And obviously, if Elvis had been that wildly in love, he would have opted to marry her just to be able to have her with him. But hey, why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free??? :blink::lmfao::lmfao:

If marriage was indeed that young than why in the world did vernom make a big deal out of his son wanting to be with a 14 year:hmm: My mom didn`t marry till she was 21 and my mom said that was the age that woman in her time got married so me is alittle confused on this age stuff.

[ElvisPresleyUK]

If marriage was indeed that young than why in the world did vernom make a big deal out of his son wanting to be with a 14 year:hmm: My mom didn`t marry till she was 21 and my mom said that was the age that woman in her time got married so me is alittle confused on this age stuff.

i guess it really depends where you are, as the age is different no matter where you go. I went Hawaii a couple of years back, think i was 14/15, and they thought i was on honeymoon with my dad..who was 40 at the time. So what may seem strange to some people is perfectly acceptable to others

[The King's Queen]

If marriage was indeed that young than why in the world did vernom make a big deal out of his son wanting to be with a 14 year:hmm: My mom didn`t marry till she was 21 and my mom said that was the age that woman in her time got married so me is alittle confused on this age stuff.

Jen, if I am correct, I think that Vernon "cautioned" him about the whole Pris thing because of the principle of her living there instead of him marrying her. And too, lots of things were different depending on which area of the States you were living. Southerners did things differently than did the Northerners. In the south, it was commonplace for girls to marry at that age. Even when I was growing up, some girls quit high school at fifteen to get married. It wasn't like EVERYONE did it, it just depended mostly on how your parents reacted to the idea. But some would rather have had their daughter be an "honest woman" as the saying was, than to be an unwed mother which was very much frowned upon! ;)

[nyc]

If marriage was indeed that young than why in the world did vernom make a big deal out of his son wanting to be with a 14 year My mom didn`t marry till she was 21 and my mom said that was the age that woman in her time got married so me is alittle confused on this age stuff.

I think very young marriages were common among poor Southerners of Elvis' generation. Loretta Lynn was a grandmother at 28. It was very different in other parts of the country, which was part of the reason that Jerry Lee Lewis created such a firestorm when he married his 13 year old cousin (of course, he hadn't finished divorcing wife number 2 before he married the cousin as well).

Vernon might have realized that Elvis had moved out of the world where a relationship with a teenager was accepted. And he had the examples of Chuck Berry (did prison time for his relationship with a 14 year old) and Jerry Lee to prove his point.

[presley31]

i guess it really depends where you are, as the age is different no matter where you go. I went Hawaii a couple of years back, think i was 14/15, and they thought i was on honeymoon with my dad..who was 40 at the time. So what may seem strange to some people is perfectly acceptable to others

Wow..thanks for sharing that information. The age thing is something that some agree with some don`t l suppose. I know when l was dating a guy who was alot older them me my parents threated to put him in jail if he didn`t stay away from me and l was 14 going on 15 , so l guess your right age is different everywhere you go.

[utmom2008]

If marriage was indeed that young than why in the world did vernom make a big deal out of his son wanting to be with a 14 year:hmm: My mom didn`t marry till she was 21 and my mom said that was the age that woman in her time got married so me is alittle confused on this age stuff.

Maybe so, but I'm betting your Mom didn't grow up in the south, did she? Every year the average age for marriage goes up, but back in 1967 LOTs and LOTS of girls married at 18.:blink::blink:

[Diane]

There you go Lea!(y) For Elvis being raised in the south it was not that unusual. The big BUT here is that Priscilla's parents weren't from there and their values as to age were different so their reasoning as to why they let Priscilla go live with him doesn't hold up.

I also agree that if Elvis had been so wild about Priscilla he would not have waited so long to marry her, nor would he have had the MM around so much, spent so little time with her or had so many other girls on the side....does not compute!!! That does not sound that she was all that precious to him. I frankly think he was bowled over by her looks initially but not in love and I believe it was her who pushed to go live with him at Graceland and he gave in like he did with a lot of things he shouldn't have (the Colonel for instance)....then he was stuck big time.

Jen, it wasn't just in the south that girls married young. Farmers had their girls married young as well so that there would be more hands on the farm. It was mostly town and city girls that married older. In my time, 19 was the norm.

Diane

[presley31]

Maybe so, but I'm betting your Mom didn't grow up in the south, did she? Every year the average age for marriage goes up, but back in 1967 LOTs and LOTS of girls married at 18.:blink::blink:

Nope she didn`t grow up in the south but it different ages all over the world. i think col and vernon both said it wasn`t such a good idea for elvis to be with priscilla.

[utmom2008]

Donut, I agree with you to a point. It's clear in Priscilla's eyes anyway but Elvis couldn't have played house with such a young girl if her parents hadn't sanctioned it in the first place....she was THEIR responsibility.

Diane

Great post Diane.(y) Paul and Ann held the card for Pris, and they played it when she was 14. As someone said earlier...WHY were they letting her see him and hang out late on school nights in Germany?? When I was 14 I would have done anything to run off with Elvis..my parents would have stopped me before the front door.;);) When my own daughter was 14 I would often think....they let her go off and be with world's biggest rock star?? To me, that is the definition of sorry parenting.:blink::blink:(n)(n)

[presley31]

There you go Lea!(y) For Elvis being raised in the south it was not that unusual. The big BUT here is that Priscilla's parents weren't from there and their values as to age were different so their reasoning as to why they let Priscilla go live with him doesn't hold up.

I also agree that if Elvis had been so wild about Priscilla he would not have waited so long to marry her, nor would he have had the MM around so much, spent so little time with her or had so many other girls on the side....does not compute!!! That does not sound that she was all that precious to him. I frankly think he was bowled over by her looks initially but not in love and I believe it was her who pushed to go live with him at Graceland and he gave in like he did with a lot of things he shouldn't have (the Colonel for instance)....then he was stuck big time.

Jen, it wasn't just in the south that girls married young. Farmers had their girls married young as well so that there would be more hands on the farm. It was mostly town and city girls that married older. In my time, 19 was the norm.

Diane

Not saying that priscilla parents are in the right here, but elvis was playing around even with anita, june, and others and according to them elvis was talking about marriage to with them, so really his life didn`t change even with pris there. Like ann M says elvis woudn`t gone though all that trouble of getting pris here if he didn`t want her.

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/AnnMargret.html

[Diane]

Oh hey Rosanne if I had met Elvis at 14 I would have been kicking and screaming to be allowed to see him too but no way would have my parents allowed it. I doubt very much if going to live with him would have even entered my head.

My parents would have said if he was interested enough he would wait until I was older then see if a relationship was what we both wanted.

Jen, we only have Priscilla's word for it that it was Elvis who went through all the trouble to get her to Graceland. I would be very interested to know how many letters and phone calls came from Germany versus Tennessee.:D

Diane

[presley31]

Oh hey Rosanne if I had met Elvis at 14 I would have been kicking and screaming to be allowed to see him too but no way would have my parents allowed it. I doubt very much if going to live with him would have even entered my head.

My parents would have said if he was interested enough he would wait until I was older then see if a relationship was what we both wanted.

Jen, we only have Priscilla's word for it that it was Elvis who went through all the trouble to get her to Graceland. I would be very interested to know how many letters and phone calls came from Germany versus Tennessee.:D

Diane

I don`t think ann got her verson from priscilla, don`t even think those two could even stand eachtogther. priscilla was doing the writing cause elvis had anita around with him and even when she came to stay the first time, one of the mm had to make sure anita was nowhere around. It really doesn`t make sense to bring someone from accoss the world if you don`t want them with you. lets be honest if you don`t love someone than you leave them where they are and don`t bring them for hoildays or to live.

[utmom2008]

Oh hey Rosanne if I had met Elvis at 14 I would have been kicking and screaming to be allowed to see him too but no way would have my parents allowed it. I doubt very much if going to live with him would have even entered my head.

My parents would have said if he was interested enough he would wait until I was older then see if a relationship was what we both wanted.

Jen, we only have Priscilla's word for it that it was Elvis who went through all the trouble to get her to Graceland. I would be very interested to know how many letters and phone calls came from Germany versus Tennessee.:D

I would love to see that myself....I think lots of folks might be real surprised with those results. :supriced: And...NO, I wouldn't have even had the thought of going to LIVE with him. I knew I would NOT be allowed to even go to his house!;);)

[utmom2008]

It really doesn`t make sense to bring someone from accoss the world if you don`t want them with you.

It goes back to Elvis being a "nice guy" and a "pushover". I'm betting they told him how MUCH she wanted to finish school and graduate in the United States. He, being the nice-guy, said OK.

[utmom2008]

I don`t think ann got her verson from priscilla, don`t even think those two could even stand eachtogther.


What "version" are you referring to?:hmm:

[presley31]

What "version" are you referring to?:hmm:

The one she defended elvis when Dee stanley says elvis was forced into marriage. http://www.elvispresleynews.com/AnnMargret.html

[presley31]

It goes back to Elvis being a "nice guy" and a "pushover". I'm betting they told him how MUCH she wanted to finish school and graduate in the United States. He, being the nice-guy, said OK.

Still don't believe that for one min, doesn't make sense at all.

[utmom2008]

Still don't believe that for one min, doesn't make sense at all.

Do tell. Which part of it makes no sense?? Elvis being a "nice-guy" or Prissy wanting to finish school in the US?;);):lol:

[ElvisPresleyUK]

The one she defended elvis when Dee stanley says elvis was forced into marriage. http://www.elvispresleynews.com/AnnMargret.html


never read this before...thanks for the link (y)

[presley31]

Do tell. Which part of it makes no sense?? Elvis being a "nice-guy" or Prissy wanting to finish school in the US?;);):lol:

Elvis was a good person no doubt about it, but he was gone for 2 years so like many woman in his life he loved and moved on but he didn't do that with priscilla, so that spreaks more volumes and if priscilla did push elvis to come to the states than l would love to see the proof to that.

[presley31]

never read this before...thanks for the link (y)

your welcome(y)

[utmom2008]

I know when l was dating a guy who was alot older them me my parents threated to put him in jail if he didn`t stay away from me and l was 14 going on 15 , so l guess your right age is different everywhere you go.

That's a great example of how all parents see things in a different way. Myself and all of my friends were not allowed to date, AT ALL, until we were 16.:supriced:;):P

[utmom2008]

Elvis was a good person no doubt about it, but he was gone for 2 years so like many woman in his life he loved and moved on but he didn't do that with priscilla, so that spreaks more volumes and if priscilla did push elvis to come to the states than l would love to see the proof to that.

What speaks volumes is Elvis being interviewed shortly after returning home and being asked about Pris. I know it must have made her feel all warm and fuzzy inside when he says he was seeing a little girl some while he was there, but it wasn't anything special.;);):lol::lol: Maybe that's when Paul and Ann put their plan in motion. And..I would like to "see" the proof that Elvis pushed and begged for her to come be with him. We don't know either for sure. And....we never will.;)

[presley31]

What speaks volumes is Elvis being interviewed shortly after returning home and being asked about Pris. I know it must have made her feel all warm and fuzzy inside when he says he was seeing a little girl some while he was there, but it wasn't anything special.;);):lol::lol: Maybe that's when Paul and Ann put their plan in motion. And..I would like to "see" the proof that Elvis pushed and begged for her to come be with him. We don't know either for sure. And....we never will.;)

Where is the proof or sources to what you say are true?? it seems to me there more Speculation than any turth in this thread. There is only one book that has all the informtion that have been saying and thats child bride and l would never take anything serious when david stanley has a hand in it.

[presley31]

That's a great example of how all parents see things in a different way. Myself and all of my friends were not allowed to date, AT ALL, until we were 16.:supriced:;):P

My parents didn't know l was dating him, my mom found it in my journal. I wasn't allowed to date till after high school was done.

[Brian]

That's a great example of how all parents see things in a different way. Myself and all of my friends were not allowed to date, AT ALL, until we were 16.:supriced:;):P

Hi Utmom 2008

It's because you or your friends didn't have parents like Priscilla's (goldiggers)
These Priscilla threads take on a life of there own in a similar way to the World tour threads. I checked the thread this morning and it had 21 replies now it has 55 replies. I had heard from the Memphis mafia guys that aren't aligned with Priscilla that Elvis was very much in love with Priscilla at first and viewed her as a conquest and wanted her to come to the U.S. and live with him so he could teach her how to act and dress and behave and they could spend time together. As the years went by Elvis still loved Priscilla and genuinely cared for her but the passion was gone from Elvis point of view he had wanted to move on to other women and had really fallen hard for Ann Margret. He broke it off with Ann because of his commitments to Priscilla from what I have heard neither Elvis or Ann wanted it broken off.
Priscilla's father Joseph had wanted Elvis to marry Priscilla when she turned 21 Elvis resisted for a while and then Mr. Beaulieu threatened Elvis he would go to the media and tell them all about how young priscilla was when they started living together. Elvis fearing a scandal agreed to marry Priscilla he talked to the Colonel about it and the Colonel told him to either marry her or dump her. Elvis married her.
I don't know for sure if any of this is true because I wasn't there but have heard it from Bill Smith, Lamar, Red, Marty, Sonny

[Diane]

I'd never heard or read that Pris and Anne didn't get along Jen. Maybe it was part that Anne never told her until about the time she met Elvis that Paul wasn't her real father and maybe the rest was that she realized they couldn't have had much respect or concern for her in allowing her into that relationship with Elvis for their own greed.

Who knows what Priscilla really feels at this time. She very well could be full of resentment towards her parents at the same time consoling herself with all that money. She never looks like a happy person and never did.

I wasn't supposed to date until I was sixteen either but I sneaked. :) A couple of times in the front seat of a car and a fight with a not so nice kid of 16 when I was 14 decided me that I wasn't ready. I didn't date again until I was sixteen and that was my first love and lasted 3 years.

Diane

[utmom2008]

That relationship was all about money from the start. What parent in their right mind would let a a 14 year old stay at, The King Of Rock n Roll's house all night and then at 16 move in with the biggest sex symbol of the century.
I've caught her in so many lies while she's being interview, it's funny.



Marty Lacker, states in the Revelation book. He said, Elvis said, I guess I have to marry her.
I can honestly say that, I really can't stand to look at her or sleezy mother and father. When I saw them in that video, first I thing I thought was, "Ok? Talk about someone putting their family on TV and trying to reinvent Elvis History"




Yes see what I'm getting at?? Logic and common sense will tell you that she tricked him and oh ya, daddy was involved in that! She lied to him too. But as always, believe what you want.


Someone tell me where it says that Elvis said he would marry her when they made the agreement to let her come finish school there? He barely knew her. He saw her a total of how many months in Germany and then she visited once? In the mean time he was dating all kinds of other women? Does that makes sense to anyone? This whole thing happened between Cilla, Elvis, the Col. and her father. Those are the witnesses to it. All else is heresay. They made an agreement to let her finish school. Then the parents just let her stay there after. She finished school just months after she got there. By then she was 18 so what could they do???
They knew exactly what they were doing. And when they all didn't get what they wanted, Cilla made sure they would. The end result is all you need to look at to see the real deal.



I also agree that if Elvis had been so wild about Priscilla he would not have waited so long to marry her, nor would he have had the MM around so much, spent so little time with her or had so many other girls on the side....does not compute!!! That does not sound that she was all that precious to him. I frankly think he was bowled over by her looks initially but not in love and I believe it was her who pushed to go live with him at Graceland and he gave in like he did with a lot of things he shouldn't have (the Colonel for instance)....then he was stuck big time.





Jen, we only have Priscilla's word for it that it was Elvis who went through all the trouble to get her to Graceland. I would be very interested to know how many letters and phone calls came from Germany versus Tennessee.:D



Still don't believe that for one min, doesn't make sense at all.
I feel better knowing I'm in good company.;);):lol::lol:

[presley31]

I'd never heard or read that Pris and Anne didn't get along Jen. Maybe it was part that Anne never told her until about the time she met Elvis that Paul wasn't her real father and maybe the rest was that she realized they couldn't have had much respect or concern for her for allowing her into that relationship with Elvis for their own greed.

Who knows what Priscilla really feels at this time. She very well could be full of resentment towards her parents at the same time consoling herself with all that money. She never looks like a happy person and never did.

I wasn't supposed to date until I was sixteen either but I sneaked. :) A couple of times in the front seat of a car and a fight with a not so nice kid of 16 when I was 14 decided me that I wasn't ready. I didn't date again until I was sixteen and that was my first love and lasted 3 years.

Diane

If you watch priscilla and her parents you can see there not so loving like some want to believe. I really feel there was alot more going on behind close doors in priscilla family.

[utmom2008]

Where is the proof or sources to what you say are true?? it seems to me there more Speculation than any turth in this thread. There is only one book that has all the informtion that have been saying and thats child bride and l would never take anything serious when david stanley has a hand in it.

OMG...you have never seen that interview with Elvis??? I'ts even shown in This is Elvis. That's where I'm getting the truth from.:lol::lol: Why does he say it was "no big thing..nothing special"? I don't believe much of what David Stanley says either...just as I don't put alot of stock into what Pris says about this either.;)

[utmom2008]

I'd never heard or read that Pris and Anne didn't get along Jen. Maybe it was part that Anne never told her until about the time she met Elvis that Paul wasn't her real father and maybe the rest was that she realized they couldn't have had much respect or concern for her in allowing her into that relationship with Elvis for their own greed.

Who knows what Priscilla really feels at this time. She very well could be full of resentment towards her parents at the same time consoling herself with all that money. She never looks like a happy person and never did.


Diane

I had never heard that either Diane. How interesting then that Pris has had such problems with the 2 most important female relationships in her life. Her Mother and her daughter.:doh::doh::doh: Maybe that's why she never looks happy.;)

[presley31]

OMG...you have never seen that interview with Elvis??? I'ts even shown in This is Elvis. That's where I'm getting the truth from.:lol::lol: Why does he say it was "no big thing..nothing special"? I don't believe much of what David Stanley says either...just as I don't put alot of stock into what Pris says about this either.;)

must of miss the part, but l do remember the part where he says losing priscilla was hard after all those years and than he talks about Linda after that;);)

[Tommy]

What speaks volumes is Elvis being interviewed shortly after returning home and being asked about Pris. I know it must have made her feel all warm and fuzzy inside when he says he was seeing a little girl some while he was there, but it wasn't anything special.;);):lol::lol: Maybe that's when Paul and Ann put their plan in motion. And..I would like to "see" the proof that Elvis pushed and begged for her to come be with him. We don't know either for sure. And....we never will.;)


Remember in the interview, he said he had to be careful what he said. In other words, (at this time in his career, Col. Parker didn't want the fans to think he had a girlfriend) it would have been bad for business.

[Diane]

I do think Elvis still liked Priscilla at that coming home interview but also that the Colonel didn't want the public to know it. I think he just lost interest once he was home and seeing others again.

In some ways I feel sorry for Priscilla in being used as a pawn by her parents but in another she had a mind of her own she could have used...she had 6 or was it 7 years at Graceland to dwell upon it.....I guess she did....eventually, she got a divorce but not until she had a baby to secure her interests....parental advice???

I would dearly love to know more about the Beaulieus. They strike me as wrong wrong wrong and I want to know why. All I can gleam is that it didn't take Anne long to find another man after Priscilla's real father died. Did she really love Paul or was he a convenience to her being alone with a baby daughter? Her fantasies about stardom...is that what led her to send her young daughter to a mega star's home...living vicariously through Elvis and Priscilla?

Bothers me no end that so little can be found about these people yet Elvis' life has been ripped and torn wide open for all the world to see.

Yeah yeah, I've heard it was BECAUSE he was a big star but that still doesn't explain the deep secrecy about people who were so close to him.

Diane

[franny]

Remember in the interview, he said he had to be careful what he said. In other words, (at this time in his career, Col. Parker didn't want the fans to think he had a girlfriend) it would have been bad for business.

Yes, Tommy. That is true. Elvis was careful with what he said in an interview. (y)

I would still like to know why Elvis would even bother with Priscilla after the army, if he did not love her? :hmm: I mean, it would have been easy for him to not answer the phone, to have no contact, to not bother with her, period! They weren't even in the same country! :blink:

He could have easily said he had a girlfriend at home, which he did :lol: Anita Wood and just cut Priscilla off...

franny

[presley31]

One thing that strikes me odd is why didn't Ann came out and tell priscilla about her real father?? I know from experince when l got adopted and it was kept from me for years and when l did find out, l went wild and did everything to make my parents mad at me or hurt, maybe in some ways priscilla was doing the same, but she could of been different and never stood up to her parents and let them rule her life and which l can see;)

[Diane]

She probably did go wild Jen. I think that would be a natural reaction from finding out news like that in your teens. I knew one poor girl in my hometown who was unstable to begin with and it sent her clear over the edge to live in institutions the rest of her life. I never understood the reasoning behind keeping an adoption or as in Priscilla's case the real identity of her father hidden.

How can you expect openness and honesty from your children if you don't give it?

Diane

[nyc]

I would dearly love to know more about the Beaulieus. They strike me as wrong wrong wrong and I want to know why. All I can gleam is that it didn't take Anne long to find another man after Priscilla's real father died. Did she really love Paul or was he a convenience to her being alone with a baby daughter? Her fantasies about stardom...is that what led her to send her young daughter to a mega star's home...living vicariously through Elvis and Priscilla?

Priscilla said (I think in her book) that her mother considered Elvis' music obscene and that she said she wouldn't let Priscilla cross the street to meet Elvis Presley.

Then Elvis turned up in Germany and we all know what happened, LOL.


I would still like to know why Elvis would even bother with Priscilla after the army, if he did not love her? I mean, it would have been easy for him to not answer the phone, to have no contact, to not bother with her, period! They weren't even in the same country!

I think Elvis did believe she'd make a good wife for him down the line. And I think Priscilla was infatuated with him, at the least. But as it turns out they just didn't have that much in common. Priscilla didn't like the touring, had no use for Elvis' religious interests, and wanted a career of her own. I think Priscilla's show business aspirations alone would have broke them up eventually, even without all of the other things going on in the strange rock star world they lived in.

[utmom2008]

One thing that strikes me odd is why didn't Ann came out and tell priscilla about her real father?? I know from experince when l got adopted and it was kept from me for years and when l did find out, l went wild and did everything to make my parents mad


I knew one poor girl in my hometown who was unstable to begin with and it sent her clear over the edge to live in institutions the rest of her life. I never understood the reasoning behind keeping an adoption or as in Priscilla's case the real identity of her father hidden.

How can you expect openness and honesty from your children if you don't give it?

Diane

This is an interesting point that both of you have brought up. Why do parents do that to a child??:doh::doh: There was a very prominent family in Dallas and the entire city I think knew they were both adopted. Everyone that is except the 2 girls. They were well up into their 20's before they found out, and after that their relationship with their parents was strained until the day the parents died.:sad: That is so pointless!

Jen, why did your parents say they waited to tell you? Or did you find out by accident? I know they NEVER mean to hurt the child, yet it always does.

[Diane]

Just my opinion Rosanne but I think the parents don't think the child is ready to deal with the news until they are in their teens. They don't realize that it's a greater shock than it would be if they grew up with the truth.

Diane

[utmom2008]

eventually, she got a divorce but not until she had a baby to secure her interests....parental advice???

I would dearly love to know more about the Beaulieus. They strike me as wrong wrong wrong and I want to know why. All I can gleam is that it didn't take Anne long to find another man after Priscilla's real father died. Did she really love Paul or was he a convenience to her being alone with a baby daughter? Her fantasies about stardom...is that what led her to send her young daughter to a mega star's home...living vicariously through Elvis and Priscilla?

Bothers me no end that so little can be found about these people yet Elvis' life has been ripped and torn wide open for all the world to see.

Yeah yeah, I've heard it was BECAUSE he was a big star but that still doesn't explain the deep secrecy about people who were so close to him.

Diane
I want to know ALL those same things too Diane.:hmm::doh: You would think there would be soooo much more out there on them, considering the fact that Elvis was their son-n-law at one point.:blink::blink::blink:

[MissyM]

Everyone realizes that Elvis only knew Priscilla in Germany from Oct. 1959-Feb,1960. In that time he had to participate in the military, spent his weekend leaves partying with guys and other women. He also send Anita a poodle for Christmas, Calls her to tell her he'll be home. Then it was 2 1/2 years before he let her visit. She gets there to live (a few months after that) and 5 months later he falls in love with Ann Margaret and has an affair. So I tend to believe Elvis that is wasn't that big a deal when he said it. I'm not saying that he wasn't very fond of her or didn't grow to love her, but he wasn't ready to marry her for some reason. And it sure wasn't this mad love like she tells in her book.
And as for that wedding night story, sound like someone got that out of a romance book. Come on now, think about it, I thought she was supposed to be a virgin that night. Ahh, so far no one has ever told me that their "first time" was anything like that. Not going to be graphic, that is stuff that happens in movies.

[Donut]

Jen, we only have Priscilla's word for it that it was Elvis who went through all the trouble to get her to Graceland. I would be very interested to know how many letters and phone calls came from Germany versus Tennessee.:D

Diane

Diane, I was sure I had heard Anita Wood talking about one letter she found from Priscilla asking Elvis to please call her father and talk him into letting her go to Memphis and I just found a link were she tells the story.

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_anita_wood_2.shtml


As a side note Elvis used to bring his girlfriends home to stay, Linda, Dixie, Anita, Elisabeth... that didn´t mean he had to marry them, he just got what he wanted and when he wanted untill the girls got fed up but Priscilla resisted till she got what he searched for. Like she herself said in her book she was determined to get him no matter what.

[utmom2008]

Everyone realizes that Elvis only knew Priscilla in Germany from Oct. 1959-Feb,1960. In that time he had to participate in the military, spent his weekend leaves partying with guys and other women. He also send Anita a poodle for Christmas, Calls her to tell her he'll be home. Then it was 2 1/2 years before he let her visit. She gets there to live (a few months after that) and 5 months later he falls in love with Ann Margaret and has an affair. So I tend to believe Elvis that is wasn't that big a deal when he said it. I'm not saying that he wasn't very fond of her or didn't grow to love her, but he wasn't ready to marry her for some reason. And it sure wasn't this mad love like she tells in her book.
And as for that wedding night story, sound like someone got that out of a romance book. Come on now, think about it, I thought she was supposed to be a virgin that night. Ahh, so far no one has ever told me that their "first time" was anything like that. Not going to be graphic, that is stuff that happens in movies.
Missy...I wrote that. I took it straight out of her book, word for word.Sandra Brown could have written a much steamier scene I feel sure.:lol:

[Diane]

I agree Donut, Priscilla's description of their wedding night does sound like it's straight out of a romance novel and you are also right, the first time is not always so wonderful to many women...if you are a virgin.

And thanks for the article featuring an interview with Anita. I don't think I've ever read that one. It was great. As to finding the letter and Elvis' being torn between the two, that sounds true to me. I think Priscilla was putting a lot of pressure at that time.

Diane

[Brian]

Does anyone know what Elvis and Priscilla had in common?
If anybody knows would you please tell me
I know they were different in a lot of ways but I bet there were things they had in common and things they both liked to do. I am just drawing a blank right now. anybody that could answer I would appreciate it.
Also Priscilla moved to many places while growing up, being an army brat and all. I was wondering if Priscilla actually said where she considers herself from
I know she was born in Brooklyn and spent some time in Austin Texas but I wonder if she considers herself a Newyorker, a Texan, A midwesterner. where does Priscilla consider herself to be from. If anybody knows I would appreciate your answer

[Donut]

I agree Donut, Priscilla's description of their wedding night does sound like it's straight out of a romance novel and you are also right, the first time is not always so wonderful to many women...if you are a virgin.

And thanks for the article featuring an interview with Anita. I don't think I've ever read that one. It was great. As to finding the letter and Elvis' being torn between the two, that sounds true to me. I think Priscilla was putting a lot of pressure at that time.

Diane

Diane, I didn´t post the quote of her wedding night, and well... I´m not a virging either:lmfao:

[Diane]

I think they also lived in Connecticut Brian but won't swear to it. The only thing I can come up with that Priscilla and Elvis had in common was horse back riding.

Diane

[Donut]

Does anyone know what Elvis and Priscilla had in common?
If anybody knows would you please tell me


They both liked a hairy Hawaiian man named Mike Stone, in different ways of course...

[Genie]

And maybe it was my arrogance, feeling like I could have my cake and eat it too. Selfish I was, looking back. But then I thought that was what they wanted. Conflicting emotions, wanting the admiration, the fun, but trying to be sensitive to other people's feelings. It was hard to balance. It was my fault but it's too late to say I'm sorry.


Darling,
People did things then, as they do them still..people seldom change, time changes things somewhat I guess, so it's never too late to say you're sorry...and besides all that anyone who ever knew you or (Elvis)knows already that he is/was a sensitive, loving, gentle man regardless of the crap and garabage wrtten and said about him....I think it would be great if people who don't understand the King...got a real muthful of truth!
You are loved by the way....and I don't care who you are/were or may be...I love you and I understand everything you've tried to say..while some people laugh..I'm not laughing.

[presley31]

This is an interesting point that both of you have brought up. Why do parents do that to a child??:doh::doh: There was a very prominent family in Dallas and the entire city I think knew they were both adopted. Everyone that is except the 2 girls. They were well up into their 20's before they found out, and after that their relationship with their parents was strained until the day the parents died.:sad: That is so pointless!

Jen, why did your parents say they waited to tell you? Or did you find out by accident? I know they NEVER mean to hurt the child, yet it always does.


My mom told me she hid the turth cause she thought in her own way that l went though enough when l was just a baby, so she finally told me one night when we had a big fight and the turth came out and boy was l angry, but now l'am older l understand that she just wanted the best, but l turly believe you shouldn't keep those things hidden from children no matter what, for me it broke my heart and went though years of up and downs with my mom and wondering where l came from..nothing what priscilla went though.;)

[The King's Queen]

It goes back to Elvis being a "nice guy" and a "pushover". I'm betting they told him how MUCH she wanted to finish school and graduate in the United States. He, being the nice-guy, said OK.

By George, I think you've got it Rosie!!! (y)(y)


Where is the proof or sources to what you say are true?? it seems to me there more Speculation than any turth in this thread. There is only one book that has all the informtion that have been saying and thats child bride and l would never take anything serious when david stanley has a hand in it.

:supriced:Correction Jen...there is only "one" book that tells ONE side of the story...and that is Child Bride. But one must first decide whether or not they are going to believe what Pris has written or not! Personally, I took it with a grain of salt...since she has not been able to keep her stories straight thus far, who's to say that what's written is true??? :hmm::hmm:


Everyone realizes that Elvis only knew Priscilla in Germany from Oct. 1959-Feb,1960. In that time he had to participate in the military, spent his weekend leaves partying with guys and other women. He also send Anita a poodle for Christmas, Calls her to tell her he'll be home. Then it was 2 1/2 years before he let her visit. She gets there to live (a few months after that) and 5 months later he falls in love with Ann Margaret and has an affair. So I tend to believe Elvis that is wasn't that big a deal when he said it. I'm not saying that he wasn't very fond of her or didn't grow to love her, but he wasn't ready to marry her for some reason. And it sure wasn't this mad love like she tells in her book.
And as for that wedding night story, sound like someone got that out of a romance book. Come on now, think about it, I thought she was supposed to be a virgin that night. Ahh, so far no one has ever told me that their "first time" was anything like that. Not going to be graphic, that is stuff that happens in movies.

VERY well said Missy! (y):notworthy And who in their right mind would possibly believe that she and Elvis lived together for that long and did not consumate the relationship prior to marriage??? :blink::doh: Has anyone ever counted up the months between the date of their marriage and the date of Lisa's birth...? :supriced: And I'm with you and Diane both on this "virgin" thing. I don't care how much you love or desire a man, the first time comes with a cost! ;)

[utmom2008]

They both liked a hairy Hawaiian man named Mike Stone, in different ways of course...

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Merry]

I couldn't have said it better. Truth. Support. Love. You know, your love and feeling proves our point, again, how fortunate we are to have you, that every day you are here, we are blessed. I love you.

[Tommy]

Yes, Tommy. That is true. Elvis was careful with what he said in an interview. (y)

I would still like to know why Elvis would even bother with Priscilla after the army, if he did not love her? :hmm: I mean, it would have been easy for him to not answer the phone, to have no contact, to not bother with her, period! They weren't even in the same country! :blink:

He could have easily said he had a girlfriend at home, which he did :lol: Anita Wood and just cut Priscilla off...

franny

This is true Franny, I think he loved her and found in her something he needed. I believe it was mental emotions between the two of them, that he coveted, he knew he could talk to her about what he was really thinking and feeling. He wanted her here that's for sure, no matter what! I believe he still wanted her to the very end. :'(

[utmom2008]

I would still like to know why Elvis would even bother with Priscilla after the army, if he did not love her? :hmm: I mean, it would have been easy for him to not answer the phone, to have no contact, to not bother with her, period! They weren't even in the same country! :blink:

Well, obviously Elvis needed Caller ID. :supriced: He could have also used Call Waiting that way he could have juggled Prissy and Anita at the very same time.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


This is true Franny, I think he loved her and found in her something he needed. I believe it was mental emotions between the two of them, that he coveted, he knew he could talk to her about what he was really thinking and feeling. He wanted her here that's for sure, no matter what! I believe he still wanted her to the very end. :'(
Tommy....you are a hopeless romantic.:wub::wub:(y)(y) Go back to the "tell Elvis NO" thread...that's a better indicator of what us ladies can really be like.:lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

My mom told me she hid the turth cause she thought in her own way that l went though enough when l was just a baby, so she finally told me one night when we had a big fight and the turth came out and boy was l angry, but now l'am older l understand that she just wanted the best, but l turly believe you shouldn't keep those things hidden from children no matter what, for me it broke my heart and went though years of up and downs with my mom and wondering where l came from..nothing what priscilla went though.;)

They make such beautiful books these days on how to explain adoption to a little one. Things like......of all the babies in the world we were lucky and able to choose you, things of that nature. And, the problem with hiding it is eventually it seems the child ALWAYS finds out. :sad:

[utmom2008]

Has anyone ever counted up the months between the date of their marriage and the date of Lisa's birth...? :supriced:

:supriced::supriced: You must have not been on a couple of weeks ago when this EXACT question was discussed for pages and pages.:lol::lol::lol:

[Tommy]

Tommy....you are a hopeless romantic.:wub::wub:(y)(y) Go back to the "tell Elvis NO" thread...that's a better indicator of what us ladies can really be like.:lmfao::lmfao:

:blush::P:lol::lol::lmfao:

[Brian]

They both liked a hairy Hawaiian man named Mike Stone, in different ways of course...


Mike stone was one ugly dude that's for sure I don't know what Priscilla saw in him from what I heard he was actually a jerk. He sold his kiss and tell all story to an Austrailian tabloid for a few thousand dollars in 1980 I believe.
Elvis was way better looking and had a lot more money, I am a straight man and if I had to choose I would have picked Elvis. Does anyone know the reason why Priscilla and Mike Stone broke up in 1975. I had heard Priscilla cheated on him but don't know if that's true or the reason they broke up.
Does anyone know the reason?
if you could help me out I would appreciate it

[Diane]

I never heard if Priscilla cheated on Mike Stone or not Brian but Mike Edwards claimed she did. I would like to know too what broke her and Stone up. We do need more information on Priscilla's side to balance things out as I've said a few times before.

Hey Donut, I don't know anyone who made it to the alter a virgin, do you? :lmfao:

Diane

[Genie]

Does anyone know what Elvis and Priscilla had in common?
If anybody knows would you please tell me
I know they were different in a lot of ways but I bet there were things they had in common and things they both liked to do. I am just drawing a blank right now. anybody that could answer I would appreciate it.
Also Priscilla moved to many places while growing up, being an army brat and all. I was wondering if Priscilla actually said where she considers herself from
I know she was born in Brooklyn and spent some time in Austin Texas but I wonder if she considers herself a Newyorker, a Texan, A midwesterner. where does Priscilla consider herself to be from. If anybody knows I would appreciate your answer

:hmm:In my humble opinion I think the connection was made in Germany, and it remained in his heart as that sweet young adoring little lady...she was down to earth and different than American girls...I have a daughter in law from Germany and they are extremly interesting, people who have been taught different values and who in my experience have better ones than we do.... sadly that didn't remain the case...
Elvis was away a lot, and Priscilla strayed a lot, out of lonliness, or learning the American way, I don't really know...they obviously had a daughter in common, animals, and a love unspoken..be it right or wrong..I doubt he ever stopped loving her, but I can't say the same about 'Cilla...let's just say she wasn't as much a fan of her husband as we the fans are. Sad, but true.
He became lonely, and the burden of everyone telling him what to do, what clothes to wear what to sing and not sing, movies that Col Parker forced upon him, that were far from his true talents...:blush:it's all so tragic, I would be tired, depressed and confused if I were in his shoes too! You might say, I actually have been... and it HURTS!

[Brian]

I never heard if Priscilla cheated on Mike Stone or not Brian but Mike Edwards claimed she did. I would like to know too what broke her and Stone up. We do need more information on Priscilla's side to balance things out as I've said a few times before.

Hey Donut, I don't know anyone who made it to the alter a virgin, do you? :lmfao:

Diane

Hi Diane

Do you know who Mike Edwards says Priscilla cheated on Mike Stone with or does he not mention him by name?

[Diane]

Sorry no I don't remember if Mike named the man or not but I don't think so. The book is packed away so can't get to it to check. Hopefully someone else here has it handy.

Diane

[utmom2008]

:hmm:In my humble opinion I think the connection was made in Germany, and it remained in his heart as that sweet young adoring little lady...she was down to earth and different than American girls...I have a daughter in law from Germany and they are extremly interesting, people who have been taught different values and who in my experience have better ones than we do.... sadly that didn't remain the case...
Elvis was away a lot, and Priscilla strayed a lot, out of lonliness, or learning the American way,

WHAT????? Are you thinking that Prissy was a little German girl????:doh::doh::doh: Learning the American way????:lmfao::doh::doh: I guess it's a miracle then that she lost that German accent.;);) :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Genie]

WHAT????? Are you thinking that Prissy was a little German girl????:doh::doh::doh: Learning the American way????:lmfao::doh::doh: I guess it's a miracle then that she lost that German accent.;);) :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:


:mad:

Go ahead and laugh your but off....you think you know things that you don't...I know things that you only wish you knew, so in the case of 'Cilla and Elvis and their "Connection" I don't think it matters much now does it... so
German? Accent? who actually cares except the people who are stupid?

[Genie]

Nope she didn`t grow up in the south but it different ages all over the world. i think col and vernon both said it wasn`t such a good idea for elvis to be with priscilla.

:blush:


You know, I'm from Indiana and I was married at 16 and had a baby girl at 17
A lot of gals in the USA and Germany and everywhere else were 14 going on 24........so what? That's life.

[Genie]

I never heard if Priscilla cheated on Mike Stone or not Brian but Mike Edwards claimed she did. I would like to know too what broke her and Stone up. We do need more information on Priscilla's side to balance things out as I've said a few times before.

Hey Donut, I don't know anyone who made it to the alter a virgin, do you? :lmfao:

Diane
:'( Actually I did.................. had I been involved with Elvis.... Probably not!
I loved him for him..not a sexual thing... The man was incredible. His being, just standing in a room, he lit everything up.. people around him in photo's you've all seen... disapear from view right before your eyes.. one of a kind..
Blessed for sure, loving him without sex, was a lot better ideal; I never lost him that way...for those of you who can't follow what I just said, Elvis was all man! But even a man needs pure love...sex is not in fact pure love.

[Donut]

Hey Donut, I don't know anyone who made it to the alter a virgin, do you? :lmfao:

Diane

There was one in 1820 but she was bald and had no teeth.

[presley31]

:'( Actually I did.................. had I been involved with Elvis.... Probably not!
I loved him for him..not a sexual thing... The man was incredible. His being, just standing in a room, he lit everything up.. people around him in photo's you've all seen... disapear from view right before your eyes.. one of a kind..
Blessed for sure, loving him without sex, was a lot better ideal; I never lost him that way...for those of you who can't follow what I just said, Elvis was all man! But even a man needs pure love...sex is not in fact pure love.

maybe l'am missing something here, but by the looks of the post you must of knew elvis on a personal level. would be nice to hear how how you know elvis, not trying to put you down just very curious.

[MissyM]

Genie, of course Elvis could talk to Cilla about stuff, but he could also talk to Anita, Margit Buergin, Elizabeth Stafaniac (just friend), Janie Wilbanks, Vera Tschechowa, while in Germany. It's said Elvis could always talk well with women, he found comfort in doing that, especially after he lost his mom. But While Cilla would like you to think it was just her he was confiding in, getting comfort from, it is not so!
Wow does that sound like Cilla was the apple of his eye in Germany? It's funny because she talks about how she bought him those Bongo Drums, but never what he bought her. Yeh, she was just so special to him. Right. Of course Elvis thought she was darn cute and so sweet and innocent, but some actually thought that he would marry Anita and have children when he got back eventually.

[Diane]

Anita was a much stronger and stable person. She may have been the best thing for Elvis. Too bad he didn't know that. Gladys liked her a lot.

Diane

[cameron]

:'( Actually I did.................. had I been involved with Elvis.... Probably not!
I loved him for him..not a sexual thing... The man was incredible. His being, just standing in a room, he lit everything up.. people around him in photo's you've all seen... disapear from view right before your eyes.. one of a kind..
Blessed for sure, loving him without sex, was a lot better ideal; I never lost him that way...for those of you who can't follow what I just said, Elvis was all man! But even a man needs pure love...sex is not in fact pure love.
There were many in my time that married young as well.
That's what many girls looked forward to. A home, husband and babies.
It might be better for the family unit if men and women looked forward to that more today.
I'm all for education; as I pushed my daughter and sons toward that goal.
But, there seems to be something missing in the families today.

I DO understand your ideals of "pure love." That does indeed seem to last longer and fulfills a need nothing else can. As in "loving someone just for themselves." I don't think Elvis ever had that after his mother passed. :'(

[cameron]

This is true Franny, I think he loved her and found in her something he needed. I believe it was mental emotions between the two of them, that he coveted, he knew he could talk to her about what he was really thinking and feeling. He wanted her here that's for sure, no matter what! I believe he still wanted her to the very end. :'(

Against all odds here ---;) I'd have to agree with you ,Tommy.
IMO; Elvis wanted her to be like his mother --Priscilla out-grew that . Since Elvis couldn't or wouldn't create a home life she wanted {needed} she moved on with out him. It was sad for all concerned.
IMO, Priscilla was hurt just as much as Elvis.

[Tommy]

Against all odds here ---;) I'd have to agree with you ,Tommy.
IMO; Elvis wanted her to be like his mother --Priscilla out-grew that . Since Elvis couldn't or wouldn't create a home life she wanted {needed} she moved on with out him. It was sad for all concerned.
IMO, Priscilla was hurt just as much as Elvis.

This is true(y)

[Donut]

I guess we here see being in love and having a romantic relationship in a different way. The thing is I can´t see anything of that in their story in neither of them. Elvis never stoped seeing other women from day one till she left, never changed his ways to get her back, didn´t want her around when he was working, brought Linda to Graceland in a few months, Priscilla left Elvis for another man, wasn´t there when he needed real help, didn´t like his hobbies, and didn´t want to remain married to him.
I wasn´t there but it´s not difficult to see they didn´t love each other, didn´t accept each others character and to me that´s not loving someone as a couple. I don´t say they didn´t care for each other but not so much or in that way.

[presley31]

Against all odds here ---;) I'd have to agree with you ,Tommy.
IMO; Elvis wanted her to be like his mother --Priscilla out-grew that . Since Elvis couldn't or wouldn't create a home life she wanted {needed} she moved on with out him. It was sad for all concerned.
IMO, Priscilla was hurt just as much as Elvis.

agree cameron, I wouldn't cheat but l would of left if l wasn't happy and spent time with my daugher, just the two of us.

[Unchained Melody]

I still firmly beleive Elvis didnt really want to get married....think he was pressured into it by Colonel Parker, Priscilla's father....and it was doomed from the beginning...just don't think Elvis was ever in love with her....

[utmom2008]

:mad:

Go ahead and laugh your but off....you think you know things that you don't...I know things that you only wish you knew, so in the case of 'Cilla and Elvis and their "Connection" I don't think it matters much now does it... so
German? Accent? who actually cares except the people who are stupid?

Go ahead.....knock yourself out having a good time. When will your book be out?;);)
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[utmom2008]

There was one in 1820 but she was bald and had no teeth.

Thanks for that info Donut.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

:mad:

Go ahead and laugh your but off....you think you know things that you don't...I know things that you only wish you knew, so in the case of 'Cilla and Elvis and their "Connection" I don't think it matters much now does it... so
German? Accent? who actually cares except the people who are stupid?


In my humble opinion

That don't sound to humble to me......

[utmom2008]

German? Accent? who actually cares except the people who are stupid?

I don't know who cares, but just who are these "stupid" people that care??:supriced::supriced:;)

[Lainey]

maybe l'am missing something here, but by the looks of the post you must of knew elvis on a personal level. would be nice to hear how how you know elvis, not trying to put you down just very curious.

Same here. If you knew him, how did you meet him? Just asking...

[Unchained Melody]

Same here. If you knew him, how did you meet him? Just asking...

You know the type of reply you are going to get from this person. Uh- it doesn't matter as long as i knew him thats all that matters..a typical response from someone who claims such a thing when infact its a lie...

[utmom2008]

That don't sound to humble to me......

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[utmom2008]

You know the type of reply you are going to get from this person. Uh- it doesn't matter as long as i knew him thats all that matters..a typical response from someone who claims such a thing when infact its a lie...

That's my thinking too Bradley...that will appear before long I betcha!:supriced::supriced: :P ;);)

[Lainey]

You know the type of reply you are going to get from this person. Uh- it doesn't matter as long as i knew him thats all that matters..a typical response from someone who claims such a thing when infact its a lie...

Hey, you never know! I mean, Pris was actually German and we didn't know that!:D (Wink, wink - nudge, nudge...)

[presley31]

Hey, you never know! I mean, Pris was actually German and we didn't know that!:D

Look at the l learn something new everyday:D who needs facts when you get people running around saying they know elvis and think pris was german:lmfao::lmfao:

No Lainey that wasn't pointed at you.

[Unchained Melody]

That's my thinking too Bradley...that will appear before long I betcha!:supriced::supriced: :P ;);)

We shall wait and see.

[Diane]

Yup, this is a bad very obvious one... not much thought went into it. :lol:

Diane

[ksimms2]

Jen, thanks for the interview with Anita - very interesting. She got it right when she said, Elvis always had the guys and women around him before I met him - and would continue to have them around him - that is why I wouldn't ever marry him. She was referring to Priscilla divorcing him for this reason - they were there before her - would always be there - so why was she suprised?

As for her being 14 - I was 14 and my first real boyfriend was 18 and I was madly in love and dated him for 4 years. Still hold a torch for him to this day - the "what if" factor.

This has been great reading!

[utmom2008]

she was down to earth and different than American girls...I have a daughter in law from Germany and they are extremly interesting, people who have been taught different values and who in my experience have better ones than we do.... sadly that didn't remain the case...
Elvis was away a lot, and Priscilla strayed a lot, out of lonliness, or learning the American way, I don't really know

Gosh...you learn something new everyday. I sure thought she had the American way down pat. It certainly seemed so while she was living in Austin.;););)




Hey, you never know! I mean, Pris was actually German and we didn't know that!:D (Wink, wink - nudge, nudge...)

Isnt that amazing Lainey?? All these years and none of us knew Pris was a little german girl.;););)



Look at the l learn something new everyday:D who needs facts when you get people running around saying they know elvis and think pris was german:lmfao::lmfao:
(y)(y)(y)(y)


Yup, this is a bad very obvious one... not much thought went into it. :lol:

Good point Diane!(y)(y) But..it brought alot of attention, maybe that was the point.;););)

[Merry]

You know,

Life is too short for all of this bitterness.

A friend of mine, fell out of his hay loft, and died of massive head injuries, his funeral was on Thursday.

I used to go horse riding with Bruce, he knew all the trails, he was like a father to so many people around here. He was such a good man.

We need to be nice to each other.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT!

Love,
Kim

[Diane]

I agree Kim. Too much unnecessary meanness. To some it's just a game they have to win.

In the meantime while wasting their time hurting someone, they are missing out on the wonderful important things in life...who is actually being hurt the most?

Diane

[Merry]

There were many in my time that married young as well.
That's what many girls looked forward to. A home, husband and babies.
It might be better for the family unit if men and women looked forward to that more today.
I'm all for education; as I pushed my daughter and sons toward that goal.
But, there seems to be something missing in the families today.

I DO understand your ideals of "pure love." That does indeed seem to last longer and fulfills a need nothing else can. As in "loving someone just for themselves." I don't think Elvis ever had that after his mother passed. :'(


I agree with Genie and Cameron. Although Cam, it would have been good if the girl got to choose who she was married too, when married too young, some didn't, as we know, then she grows up .....

Genie, I too, loved Elvis for who he was, in my case, I saw him at first, through a child's eyes, my eyes, watching his eyes. Fascinated. His being, his life force generated all around him, I recognised him, his aura. I still remember that moment, so vividly. I can sense and feel your love for him.

Pure love is hard to find. A fulfilling love. Watching for every word the one whom you love says, caring for their well being in every way, like you do your own children, obviously, in a different way. Still pure love. The same in return. Pure love for the person, is very fulfilling, if found. A kiss, 'everything will be alright'.

[Genie]

[QUOTE=utmom2008;226847]Gosh...you learn something new everyday. I sure thought she had the American way down pat. It certainly seemed so while she was living in Austin.;););)
Isnt that amazing Lainey?? All these years and none of us knew Pris was a little german girl.;););)
:mad:
sometimes things don't come out the right way, other times, I have posted exactly what I feel is the truth...right or wrong, what difference does it make now? So get off your high horses and just think for a while...you might learn something new.
No one person has all the facts, and a lot of what is posted is merely "Opinions" some are laughable, inaccurrate and the only people who know the truth about any given thing is Elvis and "Cilla...although I doubt if the truth smacked her right in the face, she would know what that was... nomore than you seem to. Now, carry on....

[cameron]

You know the type of reply you are going to get from this person. Uh- it doesn't matter as long as i knew him thats all that matters..a typical response from someone who claims such a thing when infact its a lie...

I've talked to a lot of people that knew both Elvis and Priscilla.
Most don't want identified. They don't want "fame nor want it in a book. "
Some don't want things told because of client priviledge.
There's no way I'd say anything they told me.

I'd be careful calling anyone a liar.
Usually, a liar and a thief exposes themselves. ;)

[Merry]

I've talked to a lot of people that knew both Elvis and Priscilla.
Most don't want identified. They don't want "fame nor want it in a book. "
Some don't want things told because of client priviledge.
There's no way I'd say anything they told me.

I'd be careful calling anyone a liar.
Usually, a liar and a thief exposes themselves. ;)


Well said, Cameron. Thank you. It might surprise some fans, that Elvis has fans/friends who don't have an ego! They care for Elvis.

Some have had enough, and won't talk at all to anyone. It's a shame, sad, really. Or, they know how they will be treated, and so won't say a thing. In affect, some of Elvis' fans, shut themselves in the foot, when they could be hearing about him.

[TotallyInsane]

[QUOTE=utmom2008;226847]Gosh...you learn something new everyday. I sure thought she had the American way down pat. It certainly seemed so while she was living in Austin.;););)
Isnt that amazing Lainey?? All these years and none of us knew Pris was a little german girl.;););)
:mad:
sometimes things don't come out the right way, other times, I have posted exactly what I feel is the truth...right or wrong, what difference does it make now? So get off your high horses and just think for a while...you might learn something new.
No one person has all the facts, and a lot of what is posted is merely "Opinions" some are laughable, inaccurrate and the only people who know the truth about any given thing is Elvis and "Cilla...although I doubt if the truth smacked her right in the face, she would know what that was... nomore than you seem to. Now, carry on....


I'm sorry but coming on a board and telling people to shut up is supposed to gain what???? You said Priscilla was German - correct me if I'm wrong? I do not believe in the last 40 years I've heard she was from Germany or had to learn to do things the American way. What truth are you talking about smacking who in the face?? Priscilla??? If you made a mistake and it came out wrong that she was from Germany - just say so but don't be telling people to shut up - you should clear up what you started before you jump on people for questioning your errors.
I've been called a liar many times concerning Elvis but it sure doesn't stop me from telling my stories. I'm not out to make a buck but I DO ENJOY passing on the stories I have while I'm here. I don't understand why others feel the need to keep it to themselves? People enjoy hearing from the fans who were there. So, if you were really there as a fan OR MORE then feel free to tell us some of the GOOD STUFF - we're always looking to hear about that! It's a shame more don't spread the GOOD STUFF!!! Seems like the only ones who want to share are the ones with the CRAP!!!

[utmom2008]

Darling,
People did things then, as they do them still..people seldom change, time changes things somewhat I guess, so it's never too late to say you're sorry...and besides all that anyone who ever knew you or (Elvis)knows already that he is/was a sensitive, loving, gentle man regardless of the crap and garabage wrtten and said about him....I think it would be great if people who don't understand the King...got a real muthful of truth!
You are loved by the way....and I don't care who you are/were or may be...I love you and I understand everything you've tried to say..while some people laugh..I'm not laughing.

It's never too late to take your own advice.;) :lol:



:hmm:In my humble opinion I think the connection was made in Germany, and it remained in his heart as that sweet young adoring little lady...she was down to earth and different than American girls...I have a daughter in law from Germany and they are extremly interesting, people who have been taught different values and who in my experience have better ones than we do.... sadly that didn't remain the case...
Elvis was away a lot, and Priscilla strayed a lot, out of lonliness, or learning the American way, I don't really know.

Again...Pris was German??? We ALL know that is wrong!:lol:


who actually cares except the people who are stupid?

I asked you earlier...who are the stupid people?;);)


maybe l'am missing something here, but by the looks of the post you must of knew elvis on a personal level. would be nice to hear how how you know elvis, not trying to put you down just very curious.

I agree...but you won't get an answer.;)


Same here. If you knew him, how did you meet him? Just asking...

Did u get an answer??:doh::doh::doh:


You know the type of reply you are going to get from this person. Uh- it doesn't matter as long as i knew him thats all that matters..a typical response from someone who claims such a thing when infact its a lie...

Yes...we have a great example of that.;);)



Oh shut up already...sometimes things don't come out the right way, other times, I have posted exactly what I feel is the truth...right or wrong, what difference does it make now? So get off your high horses and just think for a while...you might learn something new.
No one person has all the facts, and a lot of what is posted is merely "Opinions" some are laughable, inaccurrate and the only people who know the truth about any given thing is Elvis and "Cilla...although I doubt if the truth smacked her right in the face, she would know what that was... nomore than you seem to. Now, carry on....

So...is that the problem? You messed up with Pris being a German and instead of admitting you made an error you decide to be rude and tell members to shut up?? as you said above it's OK to admit you were wrong.;);););):D:D





I'm sorry but coming on a board and telling people to shut up is supposed to gain what???? You said Priscilla was German - correct me if I'm wrong? I do not believe in the last 40 years I've heard she was from Germany or had to learn to do things the American way. What truth are you talking about smacking who in the face?? Priscilla??? If you made a mistake and it came out wrong that she was from Germany - just say so but don't be telling people to shut up - you should clear up what you started before you jump on people for questioning your errors.

Thanks..at least you have some manners and are famliar with the forum rules.:D:D

[utmom2008]

I guess we here see being in love and having a romantic relationship in a different way. The thing is I can´t see anything of that in their story in neither of them. Elvis never stoped seeing other women from day one till she left, never changed his ways to get her back, didn´t want her around when he was working, brought Linda to Graceland in a few months, Priscilla left Elvis for another man, wasn´t there when he needed real help, didn´t like his hobbies, and didn´t want to remain married to him.
I wasn´t there but it´s not difficult to see they didn´t love each other, didn´t accept each others character and to me that´s not loving someone as a couple. I don´t say they didn´t care for each other but not so much or in that way.


I still firmly beleive Elvis didnt really want to get married....think he was pressured into it by Colonel Parker, Priscilla's father....and it was doomed from the beginning...just don't think Elvis was ever in love with her....

I seem to follow the paths that the two of you are carving out.;);)

[utmom2008]

I'd be careful calling anyone a liar.
Usually, a liar and a thief exposes themselves. ;)

And so does a charlatan Cameron.;);)

[MIElvis]

As it is now with Priscilla and her family, back then it was all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[utmom2008]

I've been called a liar many times concerning Elvis but it sure doesn't stop me from telling my stories. I'm not out to make a buck but I DO ENJOY passing on the stories I have while I'm here. I don't understand why others feel the need to keep it to themselves? People enjoy hearing from the fans who were there. So, if you were really there as a fan OR MORE then feel free to tell us some of the GOOD STUFF - we're always looking to hear about that! It's a shame more don't spread the GOOD STUFF!!! Seems like the only ones who want to share are the ones with the CRAP!!!

That's what makes you and I different from some Gail. We lived our stories, they were real, so therefore we are able to tell them with details. The ones that come on with vague, generic statements are quite often nothing but charlatans. You and I have been telling the real stories now for months and months and months, but we suddenly have a new Elvis Chief of Police.:police: Ya know what I mean? :lol: yeh, I thought you did. I think you and I can start a thread dealing with the fleeting footsteps of friendships,:lol: and add a little more jibberish.:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: One thing no one has ever accused us of is being naive. And, we don't suffer from VPS..better known as Vanishing Post Syndrome.;) ;) ;) ;)

[Lainey]

Did u get an answer??:doh::doh::doh:


Sadly, no. :unsure:

[Lainey]

Oh shut up already

Not cool. (n)

[utmom2008]

Sadly, no. :unsure:

Don't hold your breath waiting on one either!:lol:


Not cool. (n)

No, not cool. Not cool AT ALL.(n)(n)

[cameron]

And so does a charlatan Cameron.;);)
You'll find charlatans in people you'd swear you know.
I just try to be nice to everyone and follow the rules.
Unless they push me ! ;)

[cameron]

IMO, Elvis and Priscilla did "love" each other. I think they created images of each other they wanted each to be, and they were both fooled.
I DO believe Elvis didn't want to get married. He was happy the way things were. I also believe there were others pushing him to marry.

IMO, because Elvis and Priscilla were looking for that "idealized someone " ,
they failed to see each other as they really were. How many of us go into marriage with our ideal of the way things should be? How many of us think we can change that person ? Most of us, in my experience.How many of us grow up and accept the person just the way they are or end the relationship ?
That's our only two choices.

I belive Elvis wanted his marriage and child back.
Because he wanted and needed the closeness such a relationship brings.
Had he married anyone else, I think it would have turned out the same.
And, he would miss and still want the closeness he needed.

Not many people choose to "go it alone." Had Priscilla and Elvis gone back together ; I don't think it would have worked any better than before.
My dislike of Priscilla never had anything to do with Elvis. My dislike came from a parents point of view.
{Since getting into a small part of her life; I might have to do some deeper research on her . ;)}

[Donut]

just don't think Elvis was ever in love with her....

Neither do I, if he was he knew how to hide it very well...

[Donut]

Thanks for that info Donut.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

You are welcome utmon, if you want more details on it just google "Bald bride, the untold story of the virging without teeth".

[presley31]

[QUOTE=utmom2008;226847]Gosh...you learn something new everyday. I sure thought she had the American way down pat. It certainly seemed so while she was living in Austin.;););)
Isnt that amazing Lainey?? All these years and none of us knew Pris was a little german girl.;););)
:mad:
Oh shut up already...sometimes things don't come out the right way, other times, I have posted exactly what I feel is the truth...right or wrong, what difference does it make now? So get off your high horses and just think for a while...you might learn something new.
No one person has all the facts, and a lot of what is posted is merely "Opinions" some are laughable, inaccurrate and the only people who know the truth about any given thing is Elvis and "Cilla...although I doubt if the truth smacked her right in the face, she would know what that was... nomore than you seem to. Now, carry on....

There isn't no need for that at all, if you want respect you give respect back, simple as that:blink:

[Sonny]

True, no need ever.

Let's get back on topic...

[utmom2008]

[QUOTE=Genie;226874]

There isn't no need for that at all, if you want respect you give respect back, simple as that:blink:

Thanks Jen...I appreciate that.:D:D

[utmom2008]

You are welcome utmon, if you want more details on it just google "Bald bride, the untold story of the virging without teeth".

That's the BEST laugh I have had in awhile.:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Getlo]

Some don't want things told because of client priviledge. ;)

What, you're a lawyer now, or a doctor? :rolleyes:

[cameron]

What, you're a lawyer now, or a doctor? :rolleyes:
One of my friends is an attorney.

[Getlo]

One of my friends is an attorney.

I see. And these friends of EP told their Elvis stories to your attorney friend, did they?

Unless they were in discussions for a possible legal action, then client privilege does not apply here. It is possible to simply talk to an attorney in a normal conversation.

[utmom2008]

One of my friends is an attorney.


I see. And these friends of EP told their Elvis stories to your attorney friend, did they?

Unless they were in discussions for a possible legal action, then client privilege does not apply here. It is possible to simply talk to an attorney in a normal conversation.

My son will be an attorney in 3 years...does this mean I won't be able to talk to him after that?:lol: Never mind - Andrew is probably tired of my Elvis stories anyway.;):lmfao:

[cameron]

I see. And these friends of EP told their Elvis stories to your attorney friend, did they?

Unless they were in discussions for a possible legal action, then client privilege does not apply here. It is possible to simply talk to an attorney in a normal conversation.
He's one of the Presley attorneys.
And, no I'm not saying. So have a ball, I could care less.

[Getlo]

He's one of the Presley attorneys.

Of course he is! :lmfao:

So, a Presley attorney had discussed with you ... you! ... things about the Presley business and other dealings, or - as per the thread topic - the wedding? If this is true (ahem! ;)) they should be struck off immediately.

Client privilege?!! Only between the Presleys and their attorneys!


And, no I'm not saying.

Of course you're not! :lmfao: You're digging a bigger hole for yourself with each post.


I could care less.

You mean you couldn't care less. That's the expression.

[utmom2008]

IMO; Elvis wanted her to be like his mother --Priscilla out-grew that .

Do you think that Elvis wanted Gladys to frolick on the bed with other women in their bra's and panties??:supriced::supriced::blink::blink:;)

[Getlo]

Do you think that Elvis wanted Gladys to frolick on the bed with other women in their bra's and panties??:supriced::supriced::blink::blink:;)

Yeah, Gladys and Marion Keisker! YUM!

[cameron]

Do you think that Elvis wanted Gladys to frolick on the bed with other women in their bra's and panties??:supriced::supriced::blink::blink:;)


No, just the unconditional love a mother gives. Something he'd never get from a wife . ;)

[cameron]

I'm not telling you a **** thing, Getlo.
I KNOW who I've talked to and how much they can say or not.
The things we talked about, I'd never tell you.

[Getlo]

The things we talked about, I'd never tell you.

And who's asking you to? Certainly not me. I've mentioned to you before that Sonny West told me things in confidence, so why would I expect you to reveal what your sources told you?

Read the thread again. What I said was:


So, a Presley attorney had discussed with you ... you! ... things about the Presley business and other dealings, or - as per the thread topic - the wedding?

A simple question: did this attorney source of yours actually discuss the wedding with you? I did not - nor would ever - ask you to divulge the specifics. It's a simple yes or no.

My point is: an attorney discussing these matters with you (if they were client-attorney privilege) is a crime, and the attorney should be disbarred immediately!

[cameron]

And who's asking you to? Certainly not me. I've mentioned to you before that Sonny West told me things in confidence, so why would I expect you to reveal what your sources told you?

Read the thread again. What I said was:



A simple question: did this attorney source of yours actually discuss the wedding with you? I did not - nor would ever - ask you to divulge the specifics. It's a simple yes or no.

My point is: an attorney discussing these matters with you (if they were client-attorney privilege) is a crime, and the attorney should be disbarred immediately!
We didn't talk about any wedding. Just life and death.

[Sonny]

What's the big deal here?

Just accept a post or do not, why keep hammering on things?

Sometimes it would be nice if people just believed each other, or when they don't state that one time and move on.

[Diane]

(y) Rene. The senseless arguing does get tiresome....and boring.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

You know to get things back on topic abit :hmm: , I was recently going through the book Elvis The Encyclopedia by D. Stanley, it supposedly around Christmas time 1974, Elvis was trying to talk Priscilla into spending Christmas with him and the family at Graceland that year but she turend him down......She imo didnt care a-tall about him and his drug probelm and went the easy way and let him go...Like Billy Smith said, she basically said give me my quarter and I'm gone....

[presley31]

(y) Rene. The senseless arguing does get tiresome....and boring.

Diane

agree diane. It really is depressing to see indeed:blush:

[Diane]

I have the Elvis Encyclopedia by David Stanley too and remember reading that about Elvis wanting Priscilla at Graceland for Christmas but she wouldn't go.

The trouble is, I can't believe anything the Stanleys say so I will go with Billy Smith and agree that it probably happened.

Diane

[utmom2008]

I have the Elvis Encyclopedia by David Stanley too and remember reading that about Elvis wanting Priscilla at Graceland for Christmas but she wouldn't go.

The trouble is, I can't believe anything the Stanleys say so I will go with Billy Smith and agree that it probably happened.

Diane

I agree with you Diane. It's hard to believe a word out of David Stanley's mouth.:blink::blink:

[Diane]

It's a shame isn't it that as much as Elvis gave those boys all through their growing up years and into adulthood that they should stab him in the back and lie their hearts out. (n)

Diane

[presley31]

It's a shame isn't it that as much as Elvis gave those boys all through their growing up years and into adulthood that they should stab him in the back and lie their hearts out. (n)

Diane

seems like all the people but a few stabbed elvis in the back, its really sad that they wait to say how they really feel after elvis is gone. Thank god for elvis fans who put the non elvis fans and the new ones on the right track or they would be following what stanleys and others say and not understand what kind of man elvis turly was in thousands of eyes.

[KPM]

What's the big deal here?

Just accept a post or do not, why keep hammering on things?

Sometimes it would be nice if people just believed each other, or when they don't state that one time and move on.
Excellent suggestion!(y)

[Unchained Melody]

I don't care a-tall for the Stanley's. David is a worm tried to make it look like Elvis killed himself. Ricky is alright.....

[ehollier]

I was was out of town when this thread was started and reading through it, it looks like the same responses that are always posted by the ones who like Priscilla and those who think she's unsavory and sleazy. So, I'll just state my OPINION and move on to other threads.

FACT IS that Priscilla met Elvis when she was a mere 14 years old. No one can convince me (not Currie Grant, the Stanley boys, or Suzanne Finstad) that she had the foresight to plan and act on a future with Elvis. As difficult as it is to swallow, Elvis picked her, was enamored with her and wanted her around. There is no shortage of evidence of his typical behavior with the many females who spent time on the fringes of his circle hoping to the next chosen on, but he was apparently smitten with her from the beginning - enough so that he mentions her in a few interviews after he returns from Germany and chooses her to accompany him to the airport when he left.

FACT IS that he was the one that made it possible for her to visit the US in 1962 - TWICE - and then plan for her to come and live with him so she could finish high school. Not only did he arrange for her to come to visit, but to live here and had to engage in more than a few extremely personal conversations with her dad to convince him when it could have been much easier to just forget about her and take any one of the hundreds of women that made themselves known to him in his life.

FACT IS that when Priscilla finally did come to live at Vernon's and/or Graceland, she was really just weeks away from being a legal adult. She arrived sometime in late March and she turned 18 in May. As difficult as it for some to accept, Priscilla really wasn't underage save for a few weeks. No argument that it could have been dangereous to his career to harbor an underage girl in his home, the fact that she was soon to be 18 makes her soon to a legal adult.

FACT IS, even at age 17, it is crazy to believe that Priscilla had a 'plan' to 'get Elvis and trick him into marrying him' with or without her mother, as some as suggested. Even with her "exceptional maturity", as a young girl, this is absolutely insane to believe that she formulated a plan.

FACT IS, if money was a deciding factor to bribe her parents into allowing her to come the the US weeks before her 18 birthday, and that's a huge IF, had Elvis not loved Priscilla enough to make her his wife, his coffers were unlimited and he could have offered obscene amounts of money to her parents had he decided not to marry her. History shows that the only one who had any control over Elvis was Col. Parker. No one, especially, a mere parent, could manipulate Elvis into doing something he didn't want to do. No doubt he had second thoughts of giving up his long treasured bachelorhood, after all, he had spent his entire professional life surrounded by many many beautiful women who would do anything for him. This would make any man think twice before making a marriage commitment -- but to actually believe that Elvis was forced into marriage is nuts!!!!!!!

FACT IS that Priscilla was not unlike any one of us who would do anything to keep Elvis as hers. How many times have I read that members would 'do anything to keep Elvis.' Why would a girl 14, 16, 17, 20 not feel the same way??? The answer is she wouldn't feel any different. I am not suggesting that this is a healthy kind of love, because it appears to have been manipulative, but to not suggest that she didn't love Elvis and was in it for only the money is just wishful thinking on some of our Priscilla-haters or "Anti-Priscilla fans". If it was money she was after, she could have made a boatload of it had she chosen the alternative route and not married him and used blackmail in conjuntion to all of the other conspiracy theories floating around here.

FACT IS that she did love him, she lived in his bubble of a world and conformed to his wishes despite his constant promiscuous behavior. Let's not even begin to examine the mental game that was being played. As a young girl, who wouldn't be humiliated and embarrassed by this constant behavior. I imagine that it doesn't do much for the self-esteem either to be treated this way at such a formative age.

FACT IS that had Priscilla been as devious a woman as some would like to believe, had she not loved Elvis, she could have smeared his name from here to kingdomcome when she left him. God knows, she had enough experience with him that she could have ruined his resurging career - or at least halted it - by painting him as the drug-induced, gun-toting, cheating crazy man, but she choose to go her own way and has never said anything - even today, to smear him. She gave scant few interviews in the 70's and most of what has written is speculation to sell tabloids. A woman scorned can be a nasty, nasty thing, but she has handled their failed marriage with more class than most women in her position.

FACT IS Col. Parker planned the wedding which explains why it didn't reflect the couple's style or typical Southern flair. Lets face it, wedding planning should be left to the woman.

[john carpenter]

I have always signed in as "John Carpenter", never DR. Carpenter. And i would never call anyone a liar Brian. Someone has used my name before. I guess it happened again. I know this isn't the place to defend myself,but i had to clear this up.:angry:

[ksimms2]

I was was out of town when this thread was started and reading through it, it looks like the same responses that are always posted by the ones who like Priscilla and those who think she's unsavory and sleazy. So, I'll just state my OPINION and move on to other threads.

FACT IS that Priscilla met Elvis when she was a mere 14 years old. No one can convince me (not Currie Grant, the Stanley boys, or Suzanne Finstad) that she had the foresight to plan and act on a future with Elvis. As difficult as it is to swallow, Elvis picked her, was enamored with her and wanted her around. There is no shortage of evidence of his typical behavior with the many females who spent time on the fringes of his circle hoping to the next chosen on, but he was apparently smitten with her from the beginning - enough so that he mentions her in a few interviews after he returns from Germany and chooses her to accompany him to the airport when he left.

FACT IS that he was the one that made it possible for her to visit the US in 1962 - TWICE - and then plan for her to come and live with him so she could finish high school. Not only did he arrange for her to come to visit, but to live here and had to engage in more than a few extremely personal conversations with her dad to convince him when it could have been much easier to just forget about her and take any one of the hundreds of women that made themselves known to him in his life.

FACT IS that when Priscilla finally did come to live at Vernon's and/or Graceland, she was really just weeks away from being a legal adult. She arrived sometime in late March and she turned 18 in May. As difficult as it for some to accept, Priscilla really wasn't underage save for a few weeks. No argument that it could have been dangereous to his career to harbor an underage girl in his home, the fact that she was soon to be 18 makes her soon to a legal adult.

FACT IS, even at age 17, it is crazy to believe that Priscilla had a 'plan' to 'get Elvis and trick him into marrying him' with or without her mother, as some as suggested. Even with her "exceptional maturity", as a young girl, this is absolutely insane to believe that she formulated a plan.

FACT IS, if money was a deciding factor to bribe her parents into allowing her to come the the US weeks before her 18 birthday, and that's a huge IF, had Elvis not loved Priscilla enough to make her his wife, his coffers were unlimited and he could have offered obscene amounts of money to her parents had he decided not to marry her. History shows that the only one who had any control over Elvis was Col. Parker. No one, especially, a mere parent, could manipulate Elvis into doing something he didn't want to do. No doubt he had second thoughts of giving up his long treasured bachelorhood, after all, he had spent his entire professional life surrounded by many many beautiful women who would do anything for him. This would make any man think twice before making a marriage commitment -- but to actually believe that Elvis was forced into marriage is nuts!!!!!!!

FACT IS that Priscilla was not unlike any one of us who would do anything to keep Elvis as hers. How many times have I read that members would 'do anything to keep Elvis.' Why would a girl 14, 16, 17, 20 not feel the same way??? The answer is she wouldn't feel any different. I am not suggesting that this is a healthy kind of love, because it appears to have been manipulative, but to not suggest that she didn't love Elvis and was in it for only the money is just wishful thinking on some of our Priscilla-haters or "Anti-Priscilla fans". If it was money she was after, she could have made a boatload of it had she chosen the alternative route and not married him and used blackmail in conjuntion to all of the other conspiracy theories floating around here.

She did love him, she lived in his bubble of a world and conformed to his wishes despite his constant promiscuous behavior. Let's not even begin to examine the mental game that was being played. As a young girl, who wouldn't be humiliated and embarrassed by this constant behavior. I imagine that it doesn't do much for the self-esteem either to be treated this way at such a formative.

FACT IS that had Priscilla been as devious a woman as some would like to believe, had she not loved Elvis, she could have smeared his name from here to kingdomcome when she left him. God knows, she had enough experience with him that she could have ruined his resurging career - or at least halted it - by painting him as the drug-induced, gun-toting, cheating crazy man, but she choose to go her own way and has never said anything - even today, to smear him. She gave scant few interviews in the 70's and most of what has written is speculation to sell tabloids. A woman scorned can be a nasty, nasty thing, but she has handled their failed marriage with more class than most women in her position.

FACT IS Col. Parker planned the wedding which explains why it didn't reflect the couple's style or typical Southern flair. Lets face it, wedding planning should be left to the woman.


I'd say you are pretty accurate on most of what you said......I always thought that when Elvis and Ann Margaret fell in love - that something happened (I think the Colonel) and that when he had to "dump" Ann - that is when he proposed to Priscilla. If you think about it - the timing is right - Ann married Roger and not too long after - Elvis married Priscilla. So something in this story with Elvis and Ann - is what made Elvis marry Priscilla......but I agree with everything else you've said - I'm sure he did want Priscilla with him and probably thought he loved her,etc.......but then he met Ann Margaret. I think the Colonel made him break it off with her - she married Roger - he went running back to Pris and proposed........just my opinion.

[ehollier]

I'd say you are pretty accurate on most of what you said......I always thought that when Elvis and Ann Margaret fell in love - that something happened (I think the Colonel) and that when he had to "dump" Ann - that is when he proposed to Priscilla. If you think about it - the timing is right - Ann married Roger and not too long after - Elvis married Priscilla. So something in this story with Elvis and Ann - is what made Elvis marry Priscilla......but I agree with everything else you've said - I'm sure he did want Priscilla with him and probably thought he loved her,etc.......but then he met Ann Margaret. I think the Colonel made him break it off with her - she married Roger - he went running back to Pris and proposed........just my opinion.

I believe that the Ann-Margaret issue was just what it appeared to be. It was an intense affair and no doubt there was a special love between them, but Ann Margaret was not Priscilla. She was a performer and actress and wasn't a young girl who was as innocent as Priscilla. No doubt that AM made Elvis feel worthy in a place and city where he was always doubting his talent and self-worth, but he wasn't going to marry a woman who also had a career in all places, Hollywood. His old-fashioned attitudes and roots to the South were much too deep.

[utmom2008]

This would make any man think twice before making a marriage commitment -- but to actually believe that Elvis was forced into marriage is nuts!!!!!!!

FACT IS your post is nothing more that your opinion, just as the rest of have our OWN opinion.

FACT IS you won't change anyone's mind by "hammering" us with you opinion.;)

FACT IS......telling ANYONE they are "NUTS" for having their OWN opinion is just plain old rude. I've not seen anyone yet tell you that YOU are nuts, although there may have been times when they wanted to.:mad::mad:

[ehollier]

FACT IS your post is nothing more that your opinion, just as the rest of have our OWN opinion.

FACT IS you won't change anyone's mind by "hammering" us with you opinion.;)

FACT IS......telling ANYONE they are "NUTS" for having their OWN opinion is just plain old rude. I've not seen anyone yet tell you that YOU are nuts, although there may have been times when they wanted to.:mad::mad:

Rosanne, I am not trying to change anyone's opinion or am I saying you are nuts and I am not 'hammering' anyone with my opinion. Just as you have, I have the same right to post my opinion, but I have also posted simple facts that cannot be ignored. I read through this thread, I read the opinions of those who choose to put forth the theories of their marriage, relationship and subsequent divorce. When read all at once, what starts out like a small concept, gets completely blown out, that it all certainly sounds crazy.

After we, as members, read and put forth these 'theories' based on whatever we have read, whether or not we like it or not, its easy to forget the plain facts. Elvis met Priscilla, fell in love with her and married her. Everything that happened prior or after the marriage is pure speculation on everyone's part.

[Unchained Melody]

Originally Posted by ehollier http://www.tcb-world.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?p=227461#post227461)
This would make any man think twice before making a marriage commitment -- but to actually believe that Elvis was forced into marriage is nuts!!!!!!!


How so ? please elaborate on why that is so "nuts" to beleive.....

[utmom2008]

After we as members, its easy to forget the plain facts. Elvis met Priscilla, loved her and married her. Everything that happened prior or after the marriage is pure speculation on everyone's part.

The problem is some of your "FACTS" are NOT "FACTS"...they are YOUR opinion. And...that's fine, that's your right. Maybe it would be better received if you had opened every statement with IMO.

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis met Priscilla, fell in love with her and married her.

How can you honestly know whether he was in "love" with her or not. I do believe he loved or but dont think he was in love with her. Had he been, he wouldnt have let her go the way he did. he didn't even try. He said i'm not going to change for anybody, was his reply when one of the guys that came to graceland the day she left, and said elvis you know why shes doing it are you going to change and that was his reply. It was his ego that was hurt most.

[ehollier]

Elvis must have loved Priscilla, otherwise he would not have given so much to bring her (a 16/17 year old teenager) to Graceland. Nor do I believe the ridiculous story that Elvis was FORCED into marrying Priscilla. Don't forget that Elvis dumped so many of his lovers, he wouldn't have hesitated to dump her as well. Priscilla's story must contain at least some truth. There must have been something like love on BOTH sides.

All this "Elvis didn't love Priscilla","Priscilla didn't love Elvis", "Who did Elvis really love?"- talk seems ridiculous to me. They spent a long time together and even after their divorce he called her at night and gave embarrassing speeches during his last concerts -- just like she was desperately trying to get his attention during her first years with him. Their love fell victim to the surreal life of a superstar. It was never the right time. There are two things that one has to consider before giving Priscilla a negative image:

- Elvis was cheating on her right from the beginning - not once or twice or ten times, but hundreds of times. There's no need to tell how much it must have hurt her. It made her insecure, suspicious and eventually desperate.

- Elvis never gave her the chance to be ALONE with him. There was always a time when members of his entourage were living with them all the years Priscilla spent with Elvis and lets not forget with his pills. Can you imagine a life like that?

And worst of all: she couldn't even question ANYTHING Elvis did because he would have sent her home immediately -- which he used this 'threat' more than once so that Priscilla would learn not to question anything that he did. Therefore she had to cope with all that and watch her dreams go by. And she did a very good job for a girl her age when she came to live at Graceland. She tried to make the best out of it and adapt to Elvis' life.

What I find interesting is that no one ever raises the question whether Elvis' personality was so weak that he never thought about what he was doing to Priscilla during there relationship during and before they were married. I wonder about his personality why he didn't have a guilty conscience when deceiving Priscilla? Sure, he was the "king of rock and roll"....there was never a time when he wasn't smothered with girls running after him...He's not to blame for it. But nobody has to feel sorry for him when Priscilla walked out on him in the end.

Finally she deceived him - with, well, a karate trainer (and her dance instructor) and his ego was bruised. These were the only times out of Elvis' bubble into her own world where people cared about HER, where someone loved her for being Priscilla. But I do not think she wanted to hurt him. Also, I don't think that Priscilla could have imagined he would be so wounded when she left because he was forever surrounded by his entourage and was involved in several other relationships with women. One cannot accuse her of not having done everything to please and love Elvis Presley. She was still a young person with a life lying ahead of her. That this could no longer be shared with Elvis must be perfectly distinct to any woman. Not even the birth of her daughter - her last hope for a life as something like a "real" family - could alter anything about their sad relationship. It even made it worse - Elvis had serious problems with making love to a "mother".

I've read so many times on this forum that they would have NEVER left him, he was ELVIS after all and feel that Priscilla was just out to get him and irrational. I wonder how many of these women would allow such behavior from their own spouses - constant supply of drugs, women and guns - and still remain in a marriage. I doubt there is a woman on this board that would put up with that sort of behavior from a spouse. Don't you think that is a little hypocritical for it to be okay for Elvis but not a 'regular' spouse??

[ehollier]

How can you honestly know whether he was in "love" with her or not. I do believe he loved or but dont think he was in love with her. Had he been, he wouldnt have let her go the way he did. he didn't even try. He said i'm not going to change for anybody, was his reply when one of the guys that came to graceland the day she left, and said elvis you know why shes doing it are you going to change and that was his reply. It was his ego that was hurt most.

OK - how about this Jon -- Elvis met Priscilla, moved her back to the United States and married her. He fathered a child with her and remained in contact with her until he died.

[Unchained Melody]

OK - how about this Jon -- Elvis met Priscilla, moved her back to the United States and married her. He fathered a child with her and remained in contact with her until he died.

Elvis had that girls so whipped in the 60's until the early 70's she finally got a mind of her own. its jmo. funny how she never showed any concern about his drug problem or anything...that sure is someone who cares.

[ksimms2]

Elvis must have loved Priscilla, otherwise he would not have given so much to bring her (a 16/17 year old teenager) to Graceland. Nor do I believe the ridiculous story that Elvis was FORCED into marrying Priscilla. Don't forget that Elvis dumped so many of his lovers, he wouldn't have hesitated to dump her as well. Priscilla's story must contain at least some truth. There must have been something like love on BOTH sides.

All this "Elvis didn't love Priscilla","Priscilla didn't love Elvis", "Who did Elvis really love?"- talk seems ridiculous to me. They spent a long time together and even after their divorce he called her at night and gave embarrassing speeches during his last concerts -- just like she was desperately trying to get his attention during her first years with him. Their love fell victim to the surreal life of a superstar. It was never the right time. There are two things that one has to consider before giving Priscilla a negative image:

- Elvis was cheating on her right from the beginning - not once or twice or ten times, but hundreds of times. There's no need to tell how much it must have hurt her. It made her insecure, suspicious and eventually desperate.

- Elvis never gave her the chance to be ALONE with him. There was always a time when members of his entourage were living with them all the years Priscilla spent with Elvis and lets not forget with his pills. Can you imagine a life like that?

And worst of all: she couldn't even question ANYTHING Elvis did because he would have sent her home immediately -- which he used this 'threat' more than once so that Priscilla would learn not to question anything that he did. Therefore she had to cope with all that and watch her dreams go by. And she did a very good job for a girl her age when she came to live at Graceland. She tried to make the best out of it and adapt to Elvis' life.

What I find interesting is that no one ever raises the question whether Elvis' personality was so weak that he never thought about what he was doing to Priscilla during there relationship during and before they were married. I wonder about his personality why he didn't have a guilty conscience when deceiving Priscilla? Sure, he was the "king of rock and roll"....there was never a time when he wasn't smothered with girls running after him...He's not to blame for it. But nobody has to feel sorry for him when Priscilla walked out on him in the end.

Finally she deceived him - with, well, a karate trainer (and her dance instructor) and his ego was bruised. These were the only times out of Elvis' bubble into her own world where people cared about HER, where someone loved her for being Priscilla. But I do not think she wanted to hurt him. Also, I don't think that Priscilla could have imagined he would be so wounded when she left because he was forever surrounded by his entourage and was involved in several other relationships with women. One cannot accuse her of not having done everything to please and love Elvis Presley. She was still a young person with a life lying ahead of her. That this could no longer be shared with Elvis must be perfectly distinct to any woman. Not even the birth of her daughter - her last hope for a life as something like a "real" family - could alter anything about their sad relationship. It even made it worse - Elvis had serious problems with making love to a "mother".

I've read so many times on this forum that they would have NEVER left him, he was ELVIS after all and feel that Priscilla was just out to get him and irrational. I wonder how many of these women would allow such behavior from their own spouses - constant supply of drugs, women and guns - and still remain in a marriage. I doubt there is a woman on this board that would put up with that sort of behavior from a spouse. Don't you think that is a little hypocritical for it to be okay for Elvis but not a 'regular' spouse??

I have to admit - most of what you say makes sense.....Priscilla is always painted as the bad guy....and in my opinion - they both were to blame. Priscilla should have known better in the beginning that he wasn't going to change - just as Anita said in her interview. There were women before Priscilla/during Priscilla/After Priscilla - he was never going to change. I guess she hoped she could love enough for both of them?

[presley31]

Elvis must have loved Priscilla, otherwise he would not have given so much to bring her (a 16/17 year old teenager) to Graceland. Nor do I believe the ridiculous story that Elvis was FORCED into marrying Priscilla. Don't forget that Elvis dumped so many of his lovers, he wouldn't have hesitated to dump her as well. Priscilla's story must contain at least some truth. There must have been something like love on BOTH sides.

All this "Elvis didn't love Priscilla","Priscilla didn't love Elvis", "Who did Elvis really love?"- talk seems ridiculous to me. They spent a long time together and even after their divorce he called her at night and gave embarrassing speeches during his last concerts -- just like she was desperately trying to get his attention during her first years with him. Their love fell victim to the surreal life of a superstar. It was never the right time. There are two things that one has to consider before giving Priscilla a negative image:

- Elvis was cheating on her right from the beginning - not once or twice or ten times, but hundreds of times. There's no need to tell how much it must have hurt her. It made her insecure, suspicious and eventually desperate.

- Elvis never gave her the chance to be ALONE with him. There was always a time when members of his entourage were living with them all the years Priscilla spent with Elvis and lets not forget with his pills. Can you imagine a life like that?

And worst of all: she couldn't even question ANYTHING Elvis did because he would have sent her home immediately -- which he used this 'threat' more than once so that Priscilla would learn not to question anything that he did. Therefore she had to cope with all that and watch her dreams go by. And she did a very good job for a girl her age when she came to live at Graceland. She tried to make the best out of it and adapt to Elvis' life.

What I find interesting is that no one ever raises the question whether Elvis' personality was so weak that he never thought about what he was doing to Priscilla during there relationship during and before they were married. I wonder about his personality why he didn't have a guilty conscience when deceiving Priscilla? Sure, he was the "king of rock and roll"....there was never a time when he wasn't smothered with girls running after him...He's not to blame for it. But nobody has to feel sorry for him when Priscilla walked out on him in the end.

Finally she deceived him - with, well, a karate trainer (and her dance instructor) and his ego was bruised. These were the only times out of Elvis' bubble into her own world where people cared about HER, where someone loved her for being Priscilla. But I do not think she wanted to hurt him. Also, I don't think that Priscilla could have imagined he would be so wounded when she left because he was forever surrounded by his entourage and was involved in several other relationships with women. One cannot accuse her of not having done everything to please and love Elvis Presley. She was still a young person with a life lying ahead of her. That this could no longer be shared with Elvis must be perfectly distinct to any woman. Not even the birth of her daughter - her last hope for a life as something like a "real" family - could alter anything about their sad relationship. It even made it worse - Elvis had serious problems with making love to a "mother".

I've read so many times on this forum that they would have NEVER left him, he was ELVIS after all and feel that Priscilla was just out to get him and irrational. I wonder how many of these women would allow such behavior from their own spouses - constant supply of drugs, women and guns - and still remain in a marriage. I doubt there is a woman on this board that would put up with that sort of behavior from a spouse. Don't you think that is a little hypocritical for it to be okay for Elvis but not a 'regular' spouse??

I give you credit for standing up for youself and l do agree(y)

[Donut]

- Elvis was cheating on her right from the beginning - not once or twice or ten times, but hundreds of times. There's no need to tell how much it must have hurt her. It made her insecure, suspicious and eventually desperate.

- Elvis never gave her the chance to be ALONE with him. There was always a time when members of his entourage were living with them all the years Priscilla spent with Elvis and lets not forget with his pills. Can you imagine a life like that?

And worst of all: she couldn't even question ANYTHING Elvis did because he would have sent her home immediately -- which he used this 'threat' more than once so that Priscilla would learn not to question anything that he did. Therefore she had to cope with all that and watch her dreams go by. And she did a very good job for a girl her age when she came to live at Graceland. She tried to make the best out of it and adapt to Elvis' life.

What I find interesting is that no one ever raises the question whether Elvis' personality was so weak that he never thought about what he was doing to Priscilla during there relationship during and before they were married. I wonder about his personality why he didn't have a guilty conscience when deceiving Priscilla? Sure, he was the "king of rock and roll"....

WOW that´s what I call loving someone... and you wonder why we think he didn´t love her? You explained it yourself here.

[ksimms2]

WOW that´s what I call loving someone... and you wonder why we think he didn´t love her? You explained it yourself here.

Donut, you make a valid point too! Geez - I'm so confused! :blink:

[ehollier]

WOW that´s what I call loving someone... and you wonder why we think he didn´t love her? You explained it yourself here.

I can only imagine that Priscilla was hopeful that things would be different when they were married, which isn't unlike any other girl. If you read the rest of that post, it would explain why she thought he loved her and why she stayed. Also, hindsight is always 20/20.

[utmom2008]

I have always signed in as "John Carpenter", never DR. Carpenter. And i would never call anyone a liar Brian. Someone has used my name before. I guess it happened again. I know this isn't the place to defend myself,but i had to clear this up.:angry:

I know who he was referring to, and it's NOT you! Everyone needs to lay off this member...he's a keeper, and funny to boot!(y)

[Donut]

I can only imagine that Priscilla was hopeful that things would be different when they were married, which isn't unlike any other girl. If you read the rest of that post, it would explain why she thought he loved her and why she stayed. Also, hindsight is always 20/20.



Elvis must have loved Priscilla, otherwise he would not have given so much to bring her (a 16/17 year old teenager) to Graceland. Nor do I believe the ridiculous story that Elvis was FORCED into marrying Priscilla. Don't forget that Elvis dumped so many of his lovers, he wouldn't have hesitated to dump her as well. Priscilla's story must contain at least some truth. There must have been something like love on BOTH sides.



He brought Elisabeth Stefaniak from Germany with him too when he got discharged and if I rememember correctly it was his lovers who dumped Elvis, ie Dixie, June, Anita, Priscilla and more or less Linda.
I guess we´ll have to agree to disagree on this matter even though he didn´t do anything to get her back and she left him for another man.

[utmom2008]

WOW that´s what I call loving someone... and you wonder why we think he didn´t love her? You explained it yourself here.

Agree...100%


Donut, you make a valid point too! Geez - I'm so confused! :blink:

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


How can you honestly know whether he was in "love" with her or not. I do believe he loved or but dont think he was in love with her.
This my thinking also Bradley. I don't doubt for one second that he loved her alot, BUT, that's entirely different from being "in love" with her. Hell...he raised her and she gave him his only child. Love??? Yes. Passionate Love??? No.

[ksimms2]

Hey...I didn't know he brought anyone back from Germany with him! Who is this Elizabeth Stefaniak (sorry if I spelled it wrong)....??

[ehollier]

Hey...I didn't know he brought anyone back from Germany with him! Who is this Elizabeth Stefaniak (sorry if I spelled it wrong)....??

She was asked to return to the US with him to work as his secretary. While he was in Germany, he hired her to take care of the thousands of fan mail letters that he received and she also slept in his bed, but whether or not they 'got it on' is somewhat of a mystery. He did not invite her back to the US to bed her. She was going to work for him, but she fell in love with another army buddy and married after returning.

[Donut]

She was asked to return to the US with him to work as his secretary. While he was in Germany, he hired her to take care of the thousands of fan mail letters that he received and she also slept in his bed, but whether or not they 'got it on' is somewhat of a mystery. He did not invite her back to the US to bed her. She was going to work for him, but she fell in love with another army buddy and married after returning.

Not according to her. She says they used to be intimate and that she had a hard time because Elvis used to bring girls to his bedroom, included Priscilla, and she had to wait untill they left at night. Minni Mae, Elvis´ grandma encouraged her and her actual husband to date without Elvis knowing. Elvis went in person to convice her parents to let her live with him at his house in Bad Nauheim as his live in secretary and later he brought her with him to Graceland. He didn´t want her dating anyboby untill sometime later. He had Anita and Elisabeth in Memphis and Priscilla in Germany by then.This story is corraborated by her actual husband, Elvis ex army buddy.

[ehollier]

Not according to her. She says they used to be intimate and that she had a hard time because Elvis used to bring girls to his bedroom, included Priscilla, and she had to wait untill they left at night. Minni Mae, Elvis´ grandma encouraged her and her actual husband to date without Elvis knowing. Elvis went in person to convice her parents to let her live with him at his house in Bad Nauheim as his live in secretary and later he brought her with him to Graceland. He didn´t want her dating anyboby untill sometime later. He had Anita and Elisabeth in Memphis and Priscilla in Germany by then.This story is corraborated by her actual husband, Elvis ex army buddy.

You are correct. But I remember reading that she did more sleeping than anything b/c he didn't sleep alone, etc. But reading what you posted earlier, is somewhat misleading suggesting that he brought Elizabeth back to the US for the same reasons that he brought Priscilla.

[widder]

The MM ( except Jerry Sch.) didn´t like her because she wanted to create a family life and intended to stop the bachelors life. They wanted his attention 100%

Elvis assured them she´s been taken good care of. He wanted her their and that´s what happened.

[utmom2008]

Not according to her. She says they used to be intimate and that she had a hard time because Elvis used to bring girls to his bedroom, included Priscilla, and she had to wait untill they left at night.

Yes...that's the EXACT story I read also. If I can remember which book...:hmm:...wasn't it Guralnick's?:doh:

[ehollier]

Yes...that's the EXACT story I read also. If I can remember which book...:hmm:...wasn't it Guralnick's?:doh:

Yes, it was.

[Donut]

Yes...that's the EXACT story I read also. If I can remember which book...:hmm:...wasn't it Guralnick's?:doh:

You can find more details on this in her and his husband book "Sergeant Presley". I love Elvis a lot but I couldn´t help wanting to kick Elvis´ *** a bit after reading it. She must have felt terrible because she was in love with him then. Even though he was sleeping around he didn´t want her to date other boys. Elvis sent them a signed picture of him to congratulate them for their wedding!!! I think they never saw each other after that.

[presley31]

Rex Mansfield was inducted into the Army on the same day as Elvis Presley in March 1958. He went with him through basic training with him in Texas, and travelled with the King to Germany and became close friends for the next 18 months.

Elisabeth Stefaniak was a young German girl in 1958, and was hired to answer Presley's fan mail. Elisabeth became romantically involved with Elvis, but was torn between her love for the King, and an ordinary solider named Rex Mansfield.

Elisabeth eventually chose Rex and they married in June 1960 - but never saw Presley again.

In 2002 they published their highly regarded book "Sergeant Presley: Our Untold Story of Elvis' Missing Years".


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Rex and Elisabeth's book, "Sergeant Presley: Our Untold Story of Elvis' Missing Years" is a story three people: Rex, who becomes a close friend of Elvis; Elisabeth, who becomes one of Elvis' girlfriends; and Elvis himself, during the "missing years."

Note: The photographs in this article are taken from the Mansfield’s book "Sergeant Presley". The book itself contains 40 pages of 96 photos nearly all of which are previously unpublished. They provide a fascinating glimpse at Elvis’ life in the army.

Rex Mansfield became one of Presley's closest friends in the Army, whom Elvis nicknamed, "Rexadus."

The new website Rexadus.com features a 50th Anniversary commemorative edition of their book. The updated version of their book is a lively account of their years with the King (1958-1960) with chapters written by both Rex and Elisabeth Mansfield.


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The Mansfields were interviewed by EIN's Piers Beagley at The Peabody Hotel, Memphis, Aug 2002.


EIN – Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule in Elvis Week to talk to us. Have you run into many old friends since you’ve been here?

Rex – Sure, we’ve run into some of the Jordanaires and lots of old friends.

EIN – Elisabeth how was it that you first met Elvis?

Elisabeth – I had read in the Stars & Stripes newspaper that Elvis was going to the theatre every night in Grafenwohr and that he and his buddies would go in after the lights went down and that they would usually leave like 5 minutes before the movie was over. So since I was a big Elvis fan I saw my chance & went to the theatre to maybe see him but mainly to get an autograph. All the GIs were coming in and in their crew-cuts they all looked the same. So I asked the manager and he told me approximately where they were sitting.

I saw one soldier get up who was sitting in that area & he came back to get some popcorn. I was waiting in the lobby in the dark and I asked him "Are you sitting anywhere near Elvis?" and he said, "Yes, I‘m one of his buddies in fact I’m sitting right next to him!" I asked him "Would you please just get me an autograph?" and he said "Sure" and went back inside.

Well moments later another soldier comes out and says that Elvis would like me to come down and sit with him! And that soldier happened to be Rex!

EIN – That is amazing! So it was Rex that introduced you to Elvis and also Rex who took you away from Elvis! Rex might be the only man who has ever done that!

Elisabeth – It’s true! As we say, Rex walked me down the aisle to meet Elvis and then a few months later walked me up the aisle to get married!

EIN – You obviously knew of Elvis the idol & the star before you came across him. How old were you when you met him and what was the difference between the man you thought you’d meet & the man you went to work for?

Elisabeth – I was 19 years old when I met him. He was real down to earth. I had wondered if he was going to be macho & stuck on himself but he met my parents after a week and everything was "Yes, Mam" & "No, Mam". They were very impressed. He could be very charming.

He would start talking about his Father. That was the only time I saw tears in his eyes. It was because he was kind of hurt that his Mother had just passed away & his Father was already dating.

(Photo:Elisabeth & Elvis on chair)


Rex - But he really honoured both his parents and he would never say anything. He never said one word (against Vernon) but you could see it in his expression. You could see him hurting but he wouldn’t say anything.

EIN – It must have been a real shock to Elvis as Gladys meant his whole life and yet Vernon seemed to move on so quickly.

Elisabeth – You know that women were running after Mr. Presley (Vernon), not like he was Elvis, but you know that he was a nice looking man. And he could sing too. He used to love to sing that song ‘From a Jack to a King’ which was one of his favourites. He used to sing that quite often.

EIN – So did you sit around listening to them singing and Elvis playing the piano and just think "Why aren’t I running a tape recorder across that"?

Elisabeth – We often thought ‘Why didn’t we keep a diary’

Rex – But to be Elvis’ friend of course - and Charlie (Hodge) will tell you this - when you were with him you just couldn’t do that. You didn’t take photographs or anything. The only photograph I’ve got is when I made Sergeant and somebody snapped a photograph.

(Photo: Elvis, Charlie Hodge & Rex strolling through Paris)



EIN - Could anybody live off post at that time in their own private house or was Elvis a special case?

Rex – Anybody could do that if you had the money. Often soldiers would get their wives out there. If you could afford to bring your family then you could even get an allowance to live off base.


EIN – Did you go through Fort Hood with Elvis – Weren’t you his first army friend since he met Charlie Hodge later on?

Rex – Yes, I was drafted here in Memphis on that first day but I wasn’t the first friend as he had already befriended a guy named Nervous Norvell. And they kind of hooked up together at the beginning. Bill Norvell’s hometown was just out side of here at Millington, so they hit it off and they ended up in the side-by-side bunks. But I saw a lot of these guys trying to brown-nose Elvis but he was wise to that. I thought ‘sure I’d like to be a friend of the King of Rock N Roll’ but I left it up to providence. If it happened, it happened.

The famous story of course was when Anita Wood came down on a surprise visit and Elvis was supposed to be on guard duty but I did it for him instead and I wouldn’t take pay for that. So he respected that and from that point on he brought me into his group.

EIN - What were you doing before you were in the Army?

Rex - I was in Sales and had a career going which was why I could get back into civilian life later on. Before I met Elvis I wasn’t a fan, I didn’t really have any feeling at all.

I wasn’t really a Rock N Roll fan and I was raised on traditional music & gospel music. When I saw all that stuff on the Ed Sullivan show I didn’t really know what all the screaming was about. To be honest I had a lot of admiration for Elvis’ talent – It was a God-given gift. To play the piano & guitar, yet he couldn’t read a note of music. But he had it – It must have been a gift ‘cos it was just so natural to him. I respected that a lot. But more important than that I cherish my relationship with him because it was a man to man thing. I got my army pay just like he did and I didn’t have to go to him for handouts.

EIN – I think that you probably did the best thing you could have done by walking away. Unlike the Memphis Mafia where their salary was paid by a company called "Elvis" that no longer exists, you managed to create you own life. In a kind of a way it makes you feel sorry for them doesn’t it?

Elisabeth – You know that they were used to living like millionaires and then it all disappears.

Rex - Joe Esposito said this on Larry King the other night – That every one of them is divorced. That was another choice that we had to make. We were in love with each other and we wanted to live our lives together and now we’ve been married 42 years. God gave us some wisdom to understand that, even at young age and we never regretted it for one minute.

EIN - Elvis is reputed to have a bad temper and of having a very hot/cold personality. Was he like that in the army or do you think that came later?

Elisabeth – I did see a little bit of his temper sometimes. Mostly when he would say some harsh things to you. I mean I never saw him throw things at me but he could say some hurting things. One time we went into Bad Nauheim because he wanted to buy some things and he also wanted to buy me some clothes.

While there he chose a particular trashcan he liked for his bathroom. We were in the store I said to him "Elvis, you already have a basket in your bathroom" – Well that was the wrong thing to say! He turned to me and said "Don’t you ever tell me what to buy or not to buy. If I want to buy a thousand trashcans …" .

We walked out the store and that was when he said "I was going to buy you some clothes but you ticked me off" and then for 2 days he didn’t speak to me very much.

Rex – Let me give you a little insight because, keep in mind, Elvis was under tremendous pressure. He had to put up this front to a point. He had to be careful of everything he said and even though he was in the army and protected to some extent we had some close calls. For example there was a heath nut, that we mention in the book, that could have got out of hand and Col parker wouldn’t want to hear about stuff like that. So Elvis had to be nice to everybody all the time and so his friends were the ones that he was able to take it out on - and they’d still love him. So it was Lamar, Charlie and Red etc who bore the brunt of it. But you had to be careful of Red cos’ he had a fantastic temper - Laughing - but the rest of them …

Not one time did he ever say anything bad to me but I’ve seen that personality. I think it was more of a release for all that tension built up in him.

EIN - I think that in the final years Red was one of the few people who did have enough strength of character to try and make Elvis see what was happening

Rex – Lamar would do it too!

Elisabeth – You know Red would be out making a stand every night when we were there and Elvis had respect for Red. But we haven’t seen him for ages and Red is a real private guy.

Rex - I’m sure Red feels some guilt about that "Elvis What happened" book but he loved Elvis a lot. I think a lot of people get that book wrong, it wasn’t what they were really trying to do.

Rex - When Elvis would get angry and try bossing people around, Lamar and Red & Cliff would sing "What a friend we have in Elvis" and that would really tick Elvis off.

Rex - I know that Lamar is not too popular with some fans here and he made a lot of mistakes. Selling his stuff to Albert Goldman was a big mistake but we point out in our book that there are really only two types of books about Elvis. He’s either a Monster or he’s a God and in our book we put him in the middle. We know everybody is not perfect. We treat him very fair, we talk about all of his good points but we also talk about his bad points and these make him human. He was a man with an amazing talent and great gifts but also very human.

He was also a complex person. This was due to his roots and the way he was raised up and everything and I think he was as surprised as anybody was about his fantastic phenomenal success. It was just ‘the right place and the right time’ and that made him very complex and also made it very difficult for him to deal with all of it.

Elisabeth – It would also make you wonder what Elvis would think of all of this (Elvis Week) now!

Rex - I don’t think that Elvis would like the candle light vigil (If he was alive!) as it’s making him into some kind of saint. I can see why people do the prayer and whatever at the beginning which is just showing Elvis some kind of respect but …

EIN – Have you been through Graceland recently?

Elisabeth - It looks different now.

Rex - We’ve taken friends through because when I came back from basic training in Fort Hood Elvis invited myself & Norvell to ride back with him in his Continental. I was able to call my parents on his car phone – this was 1958 – a car phone!!

So my folks drove down and when we arrived there were 500 screaming fans at the gate. Vester was at the gate at the time. We went on up to the house and in 1958 to me it was like an amazing apparition; it was so beautiful and so perfect. It was a special time for me because I was introduced to everybody including his parents and I could see that there was a lot of love, especially for his Mother. The big thing for me was that I got his undivided attention because Norvell had already got out to meet his wife. So then it was just Elvis & I. Then, instead of telling Lamar or Red or whoever to drive me over to my parents, he personally got into his Cadillac and took his own time to drive me over to where they were staying.

Rex - If he liked you he would do whatever he could for you. For Elisabeth too, he gave her a car and then he took her out to show her how to drive

EIN – So Elisabeth you really had Elvis as your driving instructor?

Elisabeth - Well he could have sent Lamar or Joe out or whoever but you see I had a driving license that I lost because I was over in Germany. So I had to renew it. So it was actually Elvis who drove me to the parking lot and let me practice with him to get my license!

EIN – You obviously knew Priscilla from those times. When was the last time that you have seen her?

Rex – Elisabeth & I were in the house the night that Currie Grant came over with Priscilla for the first time. We met her the first night that Elvis did, she was a little teenager..

Elisabeth – We haven’t seen her since we left. She has her life and we have ours.

Rex – The last time I saw her was when Elvis was waving goodbye to her at Frankfort airport! He and I came back on that plane together. You have to understand that with Elvis you were with him or you were not with him. There is no in between.

EIN - Who persuaded you that it was the right time to release the book?

Rex - We have actually always wanted to do the book because we have a great love story, of a special meeting, and I was the only guy who went in with Elvis on the first day and came back with him on the final train to Memphis.

Once I stood on the back of the train In Virginia and waved at his fans because he was sleeping and Col Parker told me to do that. So I had my half a minute of fame! I had my uniform on so that you couldn’t tell!
Marshall Terrill called me 2 ½ years ago and persuaded us that finally we should do the book and I think that it’s worked.

We wanted to make the book high quality so that we also ensured that, for instance, the photos were taken from our original negatives rather than copies.

EIN – What was it like being in Germany before Elvis turned up? Did you get any anticipation that Elvis was about to arrive? Were the locals relaxed about it?

Elisabeth – In the town I was living in we didn’t know that Elvis was going to be anywhere close. There were a lot of stories of Elvis in the magazines and his relationship with Margit Buergin who he was seeing.

There were a lot of people excited that he was going to be in Germany but I never thought I would meet him as we never knew that he was going to come to Grafenwohr. Once he got there the word got out real quick but beforehand people didn’t really expect anything.

(Photo: Elvis drinking coffee on duty in Germany)


EIN - What was your 18 months as a secretary like?

Elisabeth - As a teenager I don’t think that I could really take in everything that was going on. Elvis really wasn’t my boss that was Vernon. But it was really exciting.

I was there while Elvis was singing, with Rex singing too – just for fun.
They have claimed that Elvis gave a song to me (that he wrote) to type up but that isn’t true.

EIN – Do you have any memorabilia yourself that you kept?

Elisabeth – I have just one card that he signed for me. I didn’t collect anything.



Above: Autographed photo of Rex with Elvis when Rex made Sergeant.

Rex – I have my military stuff. We also got one card after we both left to get married that following Christmas. He had Col Parker send us that card – just to aggravate me I think, but it wasn’t personally signed.

Also Minnie Presley wrote to Elisabeth afterwards and we still have a copy of that.

EIN – You obviously had a great friendship with Grandma Minnie Mae, It’s a lovely story about how she helped put you together.

Rex – It really showed the love she had for Elizabeth and she always liked me a lot because I always paid attention to her whereas most of the guys who came around said just saw her as ‘that old lady’. I had no intention of meeting Elisabeth at the time but she just ‘put it on us’!

Elisabeth - Plus you were engaged to another woman back in the States at the time!

Rex – Also I knew the rule that ‘You don’t mess around with Elvis’ girls’ but when Grandma says, "I want you to do it".. . Well at first we really hesitated because we knew that it would be a problem but Grandma just kept on insisting and once we did meet, boy I tell you, the sparks just flew!

Elisabeth – It’s amazing that Minnie Mae outlived them all and I always thought that she would be the first one to pass away. She was a tough old girl, was always chewing a toothpick!

I was living in the house with Elvis at the time. I spent 17 months there after first living in the Grunewald hotel for a month previously.

EIN – Elisabeth did you ever have to sign Elvis’ signature because you could probably buy back one of your originally signed cards for a lot of money!

Elisabeth – I had to practice for one week before I could official sign stuff on behalf of Elvis.

EIN - It must have been so hard for you to walk away from something as all encompassing and special?

Elisabeth - It was hard. I was offered the job of his private secretary with trips to Hollywood occasionally.

Rex – I was offered Joe Esposito's job before he got it. He offered me that on the train, to be his road manager.

EIN - Any regrets at all?

Rex - No, never! Of course Elisabeth had a terrible time choosing and I can understand that. She was in love with Elvis and all that and the practical side of her tried saying that she could have been "his secretary and girl friend occasionally" – but that would be a heart breaking thing. But I couldn’t have stayed around Elvis with the love I had for Elisabeth. I couldn’t have been able to live like that. So we knew that if we decided to choose each other, then we were going to have to leave. We had no choice. When I left to go home after Fort Dix I told Elisabeth "I will not call you. If you call me I’ll come back and get you but you have to call me". It was important for her to make that break.

Elisabeth - When I left, Elvis said that I could always come back. I didn’t tell him that I was thinking about marrying Rex. He said "Anytime you want your old job back, you can come back".

Rex - (Laughing) We did invite him to our wedding but he didn’t come.

EIN – Do you have children and are they Elvis fans?

Rex - We have one son. He is an Elvis fan and has all his records. It was almost a problem when he was 10 years old when he seemed to start believing that Elvis was some sort of God. He put Elvis posters all over his walls and more .. It actually got serious and we had to step in to try and get him to take his mind off Elvis. He is still an Elvis fan but now he has it in a proper perspective!


EIN – Finally, do you think the army was good for Elvis?

Rex - Absolutely! He and the Colonel decided that he was going to go in and going to serve his country as a regular soldier with no special handouts. He could have gone in to the ‘Special Services’ as all the other guys did. But it was a fantastically smart move because the older generation, like my parents, they didn’t like Elvis at all. With what he had been doing, the rebellious stuff and long hair, it was a huge generation gap. But by him going into the army and serving his country and being the man, when he came out he had everybody’s respect. So I say "That plan. It worked, it worked, it worked!!"

I think the army allowed Elvis to focus on what was really important in life and to find himself as a man.

EIN - Thank you so much for taking time out for talking to us, it has been an absolute pleasure.



Interview by Piers Beagley
-Copyright EIN 2002, March 2008

[Donut]

Rex – But to be Elvis’ friend of course - and Charlie (Hodge) will tell you this - when you were with him you just couldn’t do that. You didn’t take photographs or anything. The only photograph I’ve got is when I made Sergeant and somebody snapped a photograph.

(Photo: Elvis, Charlie Hodge & Rex strolling through Paris)

Interview by Piers Beagley
-Copyright EIN 2002, March 2008

The book is full of photographs of Elvis with them :doh:

Thanks for posting P. That was the book I was talking about.

[Donut]

You are correct. But I remember reading that she did more sleeping than anything b/c he didn't sleep alone, etc. But reading what you posted earlier, is somewhat misleading suggesting that he brought Elizabeth back to the US for the same reasons that he brought Priscilla.

I mentioned Elisabeth going to live with him to Graceland from Germany because you see Elvis making the effort to bring Priscilla to Memphis like a proof of his love. And if what Priscilla says is true Elisabeth could have had more sex with Elvis than he did with Priscilla. Considering that she was a virgin untill their wedding, got pregnant on their honeymoon and he didn´t want her anymore after having the baby they could have had sex for 9 months in their 10 years together.
Not trying to change your mind but to me his behavior is not of a person in love.

[Tony Trout]

-- but to actually believe that Elvis was forced into marriage is nuts!!!!!!!


That's actually not that hard to believe. Elvis even admitted to Red West in the 1976 telephone conversation that the wedding was 'railroaded through'.







FACT IS Col. Parker planned the wedding which explains why it didn't reflect the couple's style or typical Southern flair. Lets face it, wedding planning should be left to the woman.


I agree.


I know who he was referring to, and it's NOT you! Everyone needs to lay off this member...he's a keeper, and funny to boot!(y)

Who would this person be? You can IM me privately on YIM if you wish....

[ehollier]

I mentioned Elisabeth going to live with him to Graceland from Germany because you see Elvis making the effort to bring Priscilla to Memphis like a proof of his love. And if what Priscilla says is true Elisabeth could have had more sex with Elvis than he did with Priscilla. Considering that she was a virgin untill their wedding, got pregnant on their honeymoon and he didn´t want her anymore after having the baby they could have had sex for 9 months in their 10 years together.
Not trying to change your mind but to me his behavior is not of a person in love.

I do not believe that he invited Elizabeth back to the US for any other purpose than what purpose she was serving in Germany -- handling his fan mail and frequenting his bed occasionally -- but he was also coming back to Anita so whether or not Elizabeth would have fulfilled that position completely is unknown. I think that in the end, Elizabeth came back to the US for the sole purpose of marrying Rex.

But Elvis treated Elizabeth much much different than he treated Priscilla. I think that Elizabeth even confirms this in Peter's book. I don't think that Elizabeth was under any illusion as to her place in Elvis' world nor was she fooled of where Priscilla ranked.

[ehollier]

That's actually not that hard to believe. Elvis even admitted to Red West in the 1976 telephone conversation that the wedding was 'railroaded through'.

I have read that part of this taped phone conversation. I never thought that Elvis was referring to his marriage. I was always under the impression he was referring to the ceremony itself since he and Priscilla didn't have a say in the planning of the actual celebration.

[ksimms2]

what is the name of this book by Rex and Elisabeth? Is it good?

[ehollier]

what is the name of this book by Rex and Elisabeth? Is it good?

I've never read this one, but it was published in 2002 and entitled "Sergeant Presley: Our Untold Story of Elvis' Missing Years".

[ksimms2]

Thanks ehollier! Gonna look it up.

[mistymorning]

I wish priscilla was someone like June Carter, maybe not beautiful as her, but she brought back J cash on the right track when he was abusing drug.................All priscilla could do was to go with an other man and make the condition worse than it was.......

[utmom2008]

I have always signed in as "John Carpenter", never DR. Carpenter. And i would never call anyone a liar Brian. Someone has used my name before. I guess it happened again. I know this isn't the place to defend myself,but i had to clear this up.:angry:

This is John Carpenter...not the same as DR. John Carpenter. This member, JOHN CARPENTER, is a nice guy and would NOT call anyone a liar!!!!!!(y)(y)

[utmom2008]

Considering that she was a virgin untill their wedding, got pregnant on their honeymoon and he didn´t want her anymore after having the baby they could have had sex for 9 months in their 10 years together.
Not trying to change your mind but to me his behavior is not of a person in love.

You certainly make a valid point here Donut.(y)(y) :lmfao: :lmfao:

[nyc]

I wish priscilla was someone like June Carter, maybe not beautiful as her, but she brought back J cash on the right track when he was abusing drug.................All priscilla could do was to go with an other man and make the condition worse than it was.......

Johnny Cash was in and out of rehab during his marriage to June Carter. June Carter was addicted to drugs at the end of her life. John Carter Cash was a drug addict, and so were June's daughters.

There is no bigger show business myth than that of the Carter-Cash clan, LOL.

I think Elvis needed to decide for himself that he wanted to get off the drugs. I'm not sure anyone could have made him do it - except maybe his fans, if he'd reached rock bottom and people stopped going to his shows.

[Unchained Melody]

I have read that part of this taped phone conversation. I never thought that Elvis was referring to his marriage. I was always under the impression he was referring to the ceremony itself since he and Priscilla didn't have a say in the planning of the actual celebration.

Have this phone conversation on CD. Definitley believe he was referring to the wedding. Marty talks about how him and Elvis talked about it before hand, and Elvis wasn't really wanting to marry.....

[presley31]

who recored that phone call anyway?? red or who??

[Unchained Melody]

who recored that phone call anyway?? red or who??

Don't know beleive Red perhaps.

[ehollier]

Have this phone conversation on CD. Definitley believe he was referring to the wedding. Marty talks about how him and Elvis talked about it before hand, and Elvis wasn't really wanting to marry.....

I'll admit that I've never heard it on CD; however, I do have read about the claims that Elvis didn't want to get married by Marty Lacker. The only trouble I have with this claim is that of all of the MM, Marty is the only one that I have read that has said that Elvis didn't want to marry Priscilla. All of the MM members that I can recall have said otherwise. So who are you gonna believe???

I'm not knocking your theory, but this, like so many other anomolies, are without a firm answer.

[Donut]

I do not believe that he invited Elizabeth back to the US for any other purpose than what purpose she was serving in Germany .

That was what I meant. Even though he didn´t want her for more than ocasional sex he took her with him all the way to Memphis, so making the effort to bring Priscilla from the same place doesn´t mean anything to me, at least not love.

[ehollier]

That was what I meant. Even though he didn´t want her for more than ocasional sex he took her with him all the way to Memphis, so making the effort to bring Priscilla from the same place doesn´t mean anything to me, at least not love.

Thanks for clearing that assumption about Elizabeth. I understand what you are saying. But I we will just have to agree to disagree on Priscilla, b/c I just don't concur with you on that topic. My reasoning is that I have read scant little of anything to the contrary. Most of those who were part of the Elvis circle at one time or another during those last army months until his divorce, will agree that there was certainly a genuine love there by both parties. Was it a healthy relationship?? Probably not, but we know things today that were not known during these years. But such is the dichotomy of Elvis Presley.

Can we call a truce on this one???

[TotallyInsane]

Can you send me a copy of that CD where he says he did not want to marry her????

[presley31]

This is Red West. You’re about to hear a telephone conversation between Elvis Presley and myself, that I recorded sometime in October 1976 while I was in Los Angeles, writing the book “Elvis- What Happened”, along with my cousin Sonny West and Dave Hebler. It was no secret that we were writing the book, and knowing Elvis as I did, I knew he would try and contact us. I also knew that we would be called liars, Judases, traitors and any other expletives, by fans and even some people around him who we had been close to up until this time. I knew that he would reveal in the conversation enough information that would substantiate what we said in the book. It was even more than I had expected. And more than I wanted to hear. By this, I mean, I heard a sad and lonely man, a man I had grown up with, and watched rise from near poverty to become the greatest entertainer this world will ever see. A boy in a man’s body who could not handle the celebrity that he had now become. I had a sinking feeling that I would never see my best friend again. And I didn’t...


ELVIS: HOW YOU DOING MAN?

RED: I JUST WOKE UP.

ELVIS: I WAS JUST ON ONE OF THOSE SINGING BINGES. I GOT A COUPLE NEW GUITARS AND SINGING MY *** OFF. WATCHING LITTLE KIDS MARVEL. I’M BY MYSELF, LINDA IS IN L.A. SHE’S CHANGING APARTMENTS. WE HAD THAT APARTMENT, THE PEOPLE FOUND I WAS IN BACK OF IT AND RAISED THE RENT DOUBLE. SHE GOT ANOTHER ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. CHARLIE TOLD ME ABOUT THE TALK YOU ALL HAD, I GUESS I DO OWE AN EXPLANATION.

RED: I WISH YOU HAD COME TO ME AND TOLD ME.

ELVIS: YOU DON’T DO THINGS LIKE THAT CAUSE THAT’S MY DADDY’S BUSINESS.

RED: NO IT’S NOT.

ELVIS: I WAS GETTING A LOT OF EXCESS PRESSURE. YOU KNOW THAT RACQUET THING. TWO COURTS FOR A MILLION THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO JUST USE MY NAME. AND THAT’S ALL AND THAT WAS THE CONTRACT I SIGNED. I DID IT AS A FAVOR FOR DR. NICK AND JOE. I’M JUST TRYING TO TELL SOME OF THE THINGS THAT LED UP TO IT. I WAS WRONG ABOUT HEBLER. JUST A BAD THING ON MY PART. HE WAS VERY UNDERMINING AND SNEAKY.
HE HATED ALL YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND I KEPT THIS ****. IT JUST BURNED INTO MY EAR. AND THOSE deleted - see guidelines #2 LAWSUITS IN TWO YEARS. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU HEARD IT, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVE US INSANE. I’M TALKING ABOUT SOME INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE WHO WERE CHECKING PSYCHIATRIST REPORTS. THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVE US INSANE. THE WHOLE BUNCH.

RED: I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. YOU HAD LEFT TOWN. YOUR DADDY CALLED US AND TALKED ABOUT CUTTING DOWN EXPENSES AND GIVING US ONE WEEK’S NOTICE. THEY GIVE CHINESE COOLIES TWO WEEKS.

ELVIS: I DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE ONE WEEK THING.

RED: THE BOTTOM FELL OUT. I GOT A LITTLE HURT AT FIRST.

Elvis: ****

Red: But anyway, where were we...

Elvis: You know my **** voice is so low; I make J.D. Sumner sound like a tenor. We sang so long, I got a new Martin guitar, my **** fingers are blistered, let me tell ya, ya know.

Red: Yeah, that’s the way mine used to get when I’d sit up and start writing songs, my three first fingers, just too big, I mean, just had big blisters on the end of them. But uh, oh, shit, I wish I could get my mind cleared, just waking up...ah, talk about...oh yeah, talking about...

Elvis: I’m, ah, ya know, I’m not working on but one cylinder.

Red: But like I said, ah, I’ve got a...that show is doing pretty good, I’ve got a regular running part in it, that starts in the next three or four weeks, I think, and I think I’m gonna hang with that.

Elvis: Well, you know, that thing that happened, ah, was a combination of a whole lotta things building up. It wasn’t necessarily, ah, personal, or even the deleted - see guidelines #2 lawsuits... You know, it was like a... a fuse blowing, you know, just because of a lot of things that piled up on me. (Red: Yeah, well...) And ah... maybe I did lose sight of a...a couple things. Especially you, your family and everything.

Red: Yeah, it was cold Elvis...

Elvis: Ah, I love Pat (Red’s wife). And ah...You got a good family and everything...

Red: Well, I had a lot of time to think about it. I mean I can sit here and people say ‘oh, the old days’, and all of that shit, but it did cross my mind. And all I ever done is trying to... maybe sometimes overprotect ya, and that’s the God’s honest truth.

Elvis: Yeah, I know that.

Red: Yeah, ah, here I was (laugh) here I was, and, but that, you know, Elvis, like you say, you had problems and.

Elvis: Well you know what it is about that right? It’s like that old guy said in “Cool Hand Luke”, a failure to communicate.

Red: Yeah, well that’s the God’s honest truth. We sure as hell didn’t communicate in the last year or so, ah...



Elvis: And that ah, it was just like ya said, it was just a series of things... If I could lay them out to you one by one, I could show you the reasons why the separatism’s... A lack of communication... My daddy was sick... Nearly dead. My family is strung all over the face of the United States. And ah... It’s just those deleted - see guidelines #2 lawyers and lawsuits ya know, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Red: Yeah, I know, there were some rough times, going through that, ya know, one lawsuit came along, and then everybody else saw the chance to jump on it, it mushroomed, and then boy, everybody and his cousin was after our ***, ya know.

Elvis: Yeah, that’s what I mean, ya know, one gets away with it, and thinks they do... What they try to do is to establish a pattern, you know, of insanity and violence. Like condemn me for shooting out that lamp up there in.

Red: What the hell is that?

Elvis: That Hilton Hotel there, with a .22 target pistol.

Red: Yeah... Oh, yeah, well, we’re known as the wild bunch.

Elvis: Yeah, that’s for sure... But the good old days, are, are still a fact.

Red: Yeah, there definitely a fact, and they always will be. But I mean, what’s done is done. We... We had a lot of good times man, there for a while. But like you said, things got real serious, a lot of problems came up... Ah, I don’t know, we just lost sight of a lot of things. Probably good things, and I don’t know, It’s just... The fun, the fun left.

Elvis: The fun ceased to exist. It, it... I couldn’t pinpoint it, just couldn’t quite figure it out, I couldn’t point it down... Shit... deleted - see guidelines #2 racquetball courts...

Red: Yeah, I passed by there the other day, well I passed by for a while, while you were all gone, and its still Presley Center Courts... And just before I came...

Elvis: Their gonna take that down...

Red: Huh?

Elvis: They ought to take that down.

Red: They already have, yeah, I was gonna say, just before I came out here, I was... I didn’t see that sign anymore...

Elvis: Okay... Oh, ah, well, ah, ya know... Last I heard it was still up ... But you know, a good conman, when it’s my name... They got these builders and they got themselves bound to a contract. Two courts, there up to a half a million dollars each.

Red: That’s too expensive...

Elvis: What the ****, man... Ah...Ah, poor Joe, ah, had his mother to hock her house, get a loan on her house, to get the money...

Red: Well, I can tell you about going into business with some sharp, sharpies, they don’t care if you hock your mothers ***, you know, they...


Elvis: But that’s what he had to do.

Red: Yeah... did Joe get out of it?

Elvis: Huh?

Red: Is Joe out of it? Or is he...

Elvis: Yeah, he’s in the process of trying to get out of it. Yeah but, the guy... The builders...They were contracted to build the **** thing, are the ones holding up the ball game... Ah, well I pulled out of it ya know, just, I had to, cause the salary and stuff, a con job, a sneaky deal, ya know...

Red: Well, I didn’t know, ya know I, I didn’t know if it was or not, but, I just has a feeling it was.

Elvis: It started off kind of innocent, I was told one thing, like, ah, I wouldn’t have to put up a dime, ya know, There would be no money or nothing, well, that was the contract that I signed. I talked to daddy about it just after he came out of the hospital. We talked over a period of time about it... You know if it will help Joe and Nick...
They can use my name, because I couldn’t benefit nothing from it.

Red: Right, it was just something to help them out, Nick, you know, Nick didn’t, I don’t think Nick knew the guy that well.

Elvis: I don’t think he did either.

Red: No, he just got sucked in. He saw a chance to make some money, hoping, Joe did too, but this other guy, the one I was leery of.

Elvis: Oh, that sonofa*****, no he ah, I talked to my attorneys yesterday about the racquetball thing. You know Mr. Davis died.

Red: Yeah, I know, I saw it in the paper just before I left.

Elvis: Well the guy that’s taking his place, just ah, said that, he said that ah, he started telling me, to help, all this lawyer stuff, and then he said, he said “Elvis”, this sonofa***** is a con artist, rigged up. Ya see, they came running in and said one thing... Well, ya see, what started happening would be ah, they started hitting me up for ten thousand, twenty thousand?

Red: They started hitting you up for it?

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: Oh yeah, there, well, there is a pattern.

Elvis: That’s what I thought, well, I said, you guys putting up, ah, that kind of money? Ya know, they said yeah, we’re in, so it’s all mine. Lawyers, they’ll **** you blind. (Laugh)

Red: Yeah, I remember he was on one of the tours with us.

Elvis: On the tour, pretending to be interested in numerology books and stuff. But it all falls in to place, but were smart enough to do that. All right, then ah, ah, it amounted to they needed eighty thousand dollars. I said ok, for what? For a secretary. (Laugh)

Red: deleted - see guidelines #2, boy I’ll tell ya, them secretaries; they got a union there or something.
Elvis: That’s exactly what I said. Said what the hell, I didn’t know how, but a secretary is gonna cost eighty thousand dollars.

Red: Shit... No, it was time you got the hell out of that shit.

Elvis: Yeah... I mean I tried to hang in there with them, you know. Cause... I didn’t want to crush their enthusiasm, their dreams, or whatever, you know...

Red: Just crush their secretary... (Laugh)

Elvis: You need a $ 80,000 secretary.

Red: God almighty, that’s more than the president of the board makes.

Elvis: Well, ah, you know, they had all these cards and shit, man... About Chairman of the board... It started out as Presley Center Courts. And they changed that to Elvis Presley Center Courts without ever even asking me one thing about it... They had all these cards and shit made up... President... Vice-president... Still, didn’t even come to me and ask me...

Red: Oh Hell, once they got your name on it... Once, this Mike, got your name on it... I mean, I heard him; he went to Nashville, and everywhere, saying I represent Mr. Elvis Presley in this racquetball venture... Just on your name alone, you know, he just ah, got what the hell he wanted, but ah... I don’t know what I’m trying to say. We gotta get back to my problem... Man, I’ve never done any of that. It’s just... Old Red, he was trying to do a job, man, and.

Elvis: Ah, ah... I wasn’t using it as an example. I was just telling you.

Red: Yeah, oh, no, I know that, we’re talking about something I don’t know about, that racquetball court, man... I just know about my problems.

Elvis: What started out as a friendship and a favor, and everything, has turned into a million, three hundred thousand dollar project. If... If you realize how long it would take to realize a profit... And to put that money in to it...

Red: Yeah, I’m afraid so, it would take...

Elvis: They’d be so old, until they think the racquet resembles a friendly banjo. (Laughing) Hey, what is this? Trying to play it. (laugh)

Red: Plaster falling off the walls, oh shit, well, like, Nick, poor old Nick... Everybody’s trying to make a buck... Like Nick’s Chips, he went in to man, hell, that was a flop, they had everything figured but the **** truck that hauled them over from Arkansas...

Elvis: Nick’s Chips, shit (laugh)

Red: well that fell through, like...

Elvis: I never seen anybody drive to a hospital in something... deleted - see guidelines #2 I mean, I had mixed emotions, I hit the floor, the first night, just rolled there. Nick’s Chips ****, ah, the first thing I conjured up in my mind was, ah, a gambler, saying he’s in Vegas And Nick the Greek, ya know, he’s the gambler. That’s what I created in my mind. Nick’s Chips... Shit... He just don’t ... He obviously just don’t know, you know, and these friendly contractors are just cold hearted business men, I mean...

Red: Oh, sure, look... Don’t mess with a guy like that, I mean their dollars talk, and that’s it. But ah...

Elvis: Yeah, but the way it was done, they lead, they lead their calf to slaughter.

Red: Yeah, well, you got out of it; you’re out of it then, right?

Elvis: Ah, yeah, I’m in the process of getting out of it.

Red: Okay... I don’t blame you, because when you start going in to business with a bunch of people, if you do it yourself, then you know what’s happening, but when you get two or three other guys...

Elvis: With My signature, hell, they must have all went stark raving mad.

Red: Sure it did, I know that Mike did...

Elvis: The lawyers read to me the contract yesterday, where it said that if anything happened, I would stand good for the whole thing.

Red: Uh Oh, yea well, see then, they didn’t tell you...

Elvis: You know, I don’t even care that much about racquetball. Yeah, I would stand good for the whole thing. So that was news to me. Also, I just found out yesterday, that this guy Mike had set him up. Ah, management fee was $ 50,000 dollars a year... Extra...

Red: Sure!

Elvis: Joe didn’t know anything about it; Nick didn’t know a **** thing about it. But yet, the lawyers had it, right there.

Red: Yeah, well, that’s what I figured. This Mike Conned Nick and everybody else in to it. And he did well on it. That’s a shame, man, Nick is always... I thought he was smart... I thought Joe was smart...

Elvis: Not when it comes to business, he’s not.

Red: No. I think we’re on a party line or something.

Elvis: And my whole thing ya see, I can never possibly realize any kind of a profit out of it. I did it just as a friendship thing, ya know, I didn’t think it was... There was no harm, ya know, in helping these guys get a couple racquetball courts, one here, one in Nashville, however, it was fine with me. I didn’t see no harm...

Red: No, not

Elvis: But you see, the paper that I signed had nothing of that mentioned, so my lawyer figures that this shit was put in there after I signed it. Ya know what I mean?

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Because you know **** near well, I wouldn’t have signed it. After a while, stand good for a couple of, friendly racquet, half a million dollar racquetball courts.

Red: Yeah.


Elvis: That just totally surprised me too. A half a million dollars, for a racquetball court? Why hell, I can get Earl in with a hammer... (Laugh) And Albert, let him construct one. Don’t give the woodpeckers long enough.

Red: He’ll build it for $ 39.38, oh well they must have gone for the sauna, the whole health club bit, or something. They had to, it don’t cost that much to build no **** two racquetball courts.

Elvis: Huh.

Red: I don’t know, well...

Elvis: Well, ah, I think it’s gonna be ten courts at each place.

Red: Oh, huh, oh...

Elvis: I mean, ten places to play like out at Memphis State.

Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: But still...

Red: That’s...

Elvis: You take that, you take a man and a woman’s showers, It can’t add up to no half a million dollars.

Red: That’s a lot of money.

Elvis: Well shit, ah, you know, I got one built here in the back, ya know, the one I got, that sonofa***** was only eighty thousand. You know how plush it is...

Red: Yeah, ya **** right, Yeah, it’s ah...

Elvis: These people just, it’s like you said, they saw my signature and went stark raving mad.

Red: Yeah, yes sir. Everybody was taken in after they got your signature, plus when was this **** guys salary supposed to start, already? Mike and the secretary and all that shit.

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: And are you supposed to pay for that huh? yeah, bullshit, bullshit. Just get the hell out.

Elvis: Merchandise and things, little cards, little pamphlets, little advertisements, and this and that... And all of that, without my knowledge, without consulting me, without asking me about it, ya know... So it just built up into a friendly monster!

Red: Yeah, your **** right it did, They... They’re trying to take advantage of you. I don’t blame you for getting the hell out of it... But ah, then I guess, ya know, all that pressure and everything, lawsuits and everything led up to our demise, you know, whatever, but ah, it was a shock, to all of us... Old Dave, he was out here, you know, he was flat *** broke... Well, we’re all broke. Of course I had some property and stuff. I sold ah, I sold my house. I hated to do that, you know, but when you got to do something, you gotta do it.

Elvis: You sold your house?

Red: Oh yeah, sold my house, both cars and everything, and ah, Hebler... He was just flat *** broke, and Sonny was just down to the... Oh well, you know, it was just, it was a bad time by all, I’ll tell you.

Elvis: Well, I guess there’s never any real good times. It was a bad time for me too. I hadn’t been out of the hospital long enough to start rolling...

Red: But, ah...

Elvis: My daddy... I almost lost him. He’s my daddy, regardless of anything.

Red: Oh, yeah, listen, I can understand. But, ah, yeah, we were just, we were in shock for a while, but what do we do, you know. But then we thought about it, and all the pressure and everything, and said, well, I guess, ah, he’s got his point too, it’s just, I wish, we were always able to talk... A lot, most of the times, sometimes we couldn’t, but ah, if I had just heard it from you, it would have been easier to take.

Elvis: Well, ah, in doing business and things of that nature, I don’t,I don’t do that.

Red: Oh, you mean about firing us and everything? Well...

Elvis: Yeah... I had to go to Palm Springs, analyze and weigh... deleted - see guidelines #2 racquetball courts. I’m still seeing little fuzzy balls...(laugh) But, ah, Charlie was telling me, well Charlie talked to you, and you thought I was on the other line...

Red: Ah huh, well, I thought... Ya know, I heard you know, that ah...

Elvis: I was over at my daddy’s house going through these figures. If I wanted to hear something, I wouldn’t do that... I would go another way. Ah...

Red: Well, you know how paranoid everybody gets about something like that. I just, I don’t know why, I just thought...

Elvis: Oh sure, like looking over your shoulder and not knowing who the hell it is, Regardless of what.

Red: But, ah, anyway, it’s all done and that’s it I guess now, cause ah...

Elvis: How’s Pat and the kids and stuff?

Red: They’re all fine, they’re ah, just hanging on until I get something going.

Elvis: Well...

Red: But ah, it’s just been kind of rough...

Elvis: Yeah, I was ah, I was very disillusioned by Hebler. He faked me off something terrible. I thought he was the way the both of us understood.

Red: What did he do?

Elvis: Huh?

Red: Well, what did he do, I mean...

Elvis: Well, you know, he just, he would say little things to me. Who he hated...
Red: (Laugh) Who he hated?

Elvis: Yeah...

Red: ****.

Elvis: And... you know, this went on for a period of two years. Just... Ed Parker told me when I hired the sonofa*****, he said, keep him at arm’s length, but I still didn’t catch on. Dumb *** me, man.

Red: Well, I really don’t know what your talking about... Ah.

Elvis: Well, ah, it’s hard to explain. I don’t think he liked anybody in this group, except maybe Dean.

Red: Well, I,ah...

Elvis: I think that I’d become a dollar sign to him, Red, I think in the process he lost sight of Elvis, first, you know, that can easily happen.

Red: Well, I guess, yeah, I guess so, ah...

Elvis: And... you know, when that happened, Red, I’d become an object, not a person, but, ah, you know, I’m not that sign, I mean, that rouge, touring down there. I’m not that image, to build up. I’m myself.

Red: Yeah... Well, that’s the way I always like, ya know, try to think of it.

Elvis: And ah, ah, your so wrong on one thing, ah, and listen, don’t get paranoid. Because I’m just talking to you as a friend. Now we’re on a private line and there is not a friendly soul, but us...

Red: Right.

Elvis: Ah... I am not ****** up by no means. On the contrary, I’ve never been in any, ah, better condition in my life.

Red: Well, what I was talking about... then, you had been pretty ****** up, so, that’s what I was talking about.

Elvis: Well, I went through a divorce, you know, you were there...

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: That wedding thing, ya know, that wedding thing. I had nothing to do with that. That was railroaded through, ah, I didn’t even know who was there. It was all in a little room bout the size of a bathroom with a Supreme Court Justice. It was in there, over and done so quick, I didn’t even realize I was married.

Red: Oh, yeah, your talking about your wedding...

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: Right, well, ya know, you don’t think about these things, but at the time, it, it, ah, once again, it’s that old, I’ve been with you, and all the sudden I was held back, and told one, That I wasn’t supposed to come in.

Elvis: I ****** that up. I could see it, I could see it back then, but, see it wasn’t my doing.

Red: Right
Elvis: Wasn’t my doing.

Red: You know, I figured that was the Colonel and...

Elvis: It was a ramrod type thing. I had nothing to do with it... You know, All the sudden I was married.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And, ya know, ah, when you go through that, you keep your mind on one thing (laugh)

Red: Yeah, yeah right...

Elvis: It was pretty tough. Red: Well I can understand that. That was a long time ago, but that was just a point I was bringing up to Charlie, and, ah, but let’s get back to, to the last couple three years. Let’s face it man, you haven’t enjoyed yourself. You just been... You do your work, you go work and then ah...

Elvis: I enjoy my work.

Red: Yeah, I know that, that’s the only time we really see you, I really don’t see you anymore. The rest of the time, It’s just, ah, I don’t know. It’s just ah...

Elvis: We had a pretty good time up in Vail.( Colorado)

Red: Oh yeah, we had a ball in Vail. That was the, man, that was ah, the one time out of the last few years that we really got back to the, back to the, well, whatever, back to knowing how to enjoy ourselves. And I mean everybody just had a ball.

Elvis: Yeah, I know I did.

Red: Yeah, I know I did too. That was something we’d all been wanting to do, just to get out, away from it all, man and...

Elvis: Yeah, you know, that’s ok, because ah, ya know, they just want me to have a house up there.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And they want to buy food and everything. So, these real estate guys get a hold of that. I meet at beautiful places, but my thinking is not along those lines right now.

Red: Right, I don’t blame you, you can always go up there and rent something.

Elvis: Yeah, Exactly.

Red: But ah, I don’t know what, ya know, I don’t want to get real upset, ya know, It’s been along time since I’ve talked to you. I don’t want to get real serious on the conversation. But, we were all worried about you, ya know, I’ve always been worried about you. Ya know, about taking quite a few things, I thought.

Elvis: You worried about me so much, until you turned around and tried to hurt me. But see, I know what that is.

Red: Well, that’s after you hurt me. You already hurt me and my family very bad. You know, you left us out in the cold. So let’s don’t talk about me trying to hurt you.
Elvis: Things went on that you didn’t even know about.

Red: Yeah, well all I know is I was out in the cold, and couldn’t understand...

Elvis: All I know is there was friction created in this group. The vibes were so bad, people were scared to move and everything.

Red: Yeah, that’s true too.

Elvis: So who knows, ah, what the hell they were hearing and being told. I just know it got to be very, very tense. A situation where it could have been fun and a relaxed kinda thing.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Something went wrong.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And, ah, then on top of the racquetball thing and everything else, all the personal things. I was upset too. It was a fact, ya know, but, ah, we did have to cut down on expenses.

Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: I had the feeling...

Red: Whatever you had to do, I told your daddy, you know, ah, you gotta do what you gotta do. If you need to cut down on expenses by firing me, ah, you know, that’s a little weird to me. Seems like you could have cut somewhere else. I thought I was important to the organization. But I’m glad I finally found out I wasn’t. Cause then, I still got a little life left. I’m gonna, I’m gonna enjoy that. And ah, I’m still young enough I can find something else, you know...

Elvis: Oh, yeah.

Red: But ah, it was just, cutting down on expenses. I just couldn’t understand that. All the other, a lot of guys around I thought I was more important to the organization then they were, but I guess I wasn’t. But I’m glad I found that out. So...

Elvis: Well, It’s just an unfortunate situation. He’s just now, he’s starting to get back on his feet. My daddy has lost down to one hundred and sixty five pounds.

Red: Yeah, you mean now?

Elvis: I think he’s up to one hundred and seventy... Eighty, something like that. That just shocked and scared me to death. Because you know how I feel, you know how you felt about your daddy.

Red: Yeah, that’s right. Well...

Elvis: Well, suspicion, Red, was cast on this group. I couldn’t figure out the source of it. Suspicion, just like that song we did, “We can’t go on together with suspicious minds”.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: So ah, maybe I did act abruptly. First one to admit it. Without thinking.
Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: You know Sonny was never around, Red..

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: You know, we’ve talked about that.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Ah, he’s a great guy, but he never shared anything with us... I ain’t, I ain’t got nothing against Sonny. Just ah, Hebler, tried to bully his way through everything, with scare, scare tactics...

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: With some of these young guys.

Red: Well.

Elvis: They would ask questions like... Dean, ya know, and they never could get a straight answer... They were just turned down at every corner.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: That’s the only way they could find out. I know, ya know, what it was like, ya know, when I was twenty four years old, shit, I mean, my mind was just scattered to the four winds.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: They need some kind of guidance. Some things just weren’t being done, ya know, just little things just weren’t being done Red, you know how they train for the service. Regimentation. Doing the same thing every day and night. I mean, we knew by God, you know, you did in the service what everybody else had served legitimately. But by God at seven o’clock we had to do this, and at three we had to do that. And they do that by repetition.

Red: Sure.

Elvis: That’s how they train. And all their energy and youth and everything without proper guidance is wasted.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: I just felt I should ah, talk to you and let you see my side of it.

Red: Yeah, I appreciate that. Ya know, that’s what I wish we had done at the very first. You know, maybe I could have understood it a little bit better. But ah, what’s done is done. You go on from there. I mean, I just, believe me when I tell you I wish you all the luck. I hope you go, right, stay right where you are, right on top for ah, forty more years man. I really do, I mean it with all my heart.

Elvis: I’m working on it.

Red: But I would like to see you get healthy, E. You hadn’t been healthy in a while.

Elvis: Oh yes I am.

Red: No you’re not.

Elvis: Yes I am.

Red: Well, ok, you say that.

Elvis: I just had an absolute complete physical head to toe, in the last, ah, two weeks.

Red: Ok, well then I’m glad to hear you’re healthy.

Elvis: One of those things that is required by Lloyds of London, the insurance office.

Red: Well, then this, I don’t have to worry about it then.

Elvis: That ah, that thing that I had, that lower intestinal blockage corrected itself, thank God.

Red: Good.

Elvis: I just, I went on a weird liquid diet. That big intestine down there has to have bulk.

Red: Yeah, that’s been discussed.

Elvis: Went on that diet. Twenty days, was ridiculous. Then I heard that was another mistake. (laugh)

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Turns out that large intestine had nothing to work with, so as a result it stopped working. I keep hearing that shit about being fat and middle aged, ya know...

Red: No, no, I knew that wasn’t it. I knew you weren’t (Laugh) you ate a lot but you weren’t fat, like people are fat. You could tell there was something else wrong. And that’s what I mean, you hadn’t, you wasn’t healthy. Inside, you, something was wrong inside. That’s what I’ve been trying... When I try and talk to you about it you get mad, just as you done a while ago. You wouldn’t listen to it. That’s what I’m talking about man. You were, something was wrong inside of you. We didn’t know what, we were worried about, we didn’t know what it was. We knew it wasn’t fat though, it was something else. And you just...

Elvis: You know, I thought I told y’all it was the lower intestine. I supposed to undergo surgery and take part of it out.

Red: Yeah, right, I was there, I remember when we were going to do that. I’m just saying...

Elvis: That was psyching me out, because I didn’t know what it was.

Red: Yeah, well, I’m glad to hear it’s all straightened out. I really am.

Elvis: It’s been straightened out for a long time. It’s just a failure to communicate. What we had, Red, was crazy. Like that song Roy Hamilton did “Understanding Solves All Problems”.

Red: Yeah, we didn’t...

Elvis: It’s a good folk song.

Red: Yeah, that’s right, we didn’t have much understanding there for a long time.
Elvis: Well, I don’t know if it was you and I as much as it could have been coming from somebody else. You know, negative vibes.

Red: Right, well, that could very well be too. I’m, I’m not really in to the psychic thing.

Elvis: Well, I’m not either, but I do know, ah, that ah, we are constantly ah, sending and receiving. All the time.

Red: Right, yeah, we’ve discussed this. Minds, if they can put a picture through the air, I guess they can put a thought wave through the air too.

Elvis: So that’s why I was feeling, I was feeling the negative things but, and couldn’t exactly pinpoint what it was. So I just reached a boiling point, hoped that, ah, you’d understand. It was a temporary thing.

Red: Well.

Elvis: And ah, that was what it was Red, see, I didn’t try to get, communicate with anybody. I felt terribly lonely. You know like that number eight. (Red: yeah.) The thing that says they’re intensely lonely at heart. For this reason, ya know, they feel very lonely,but when in reality they have warm hearts towards the oppressed. But hide their feelings in life but do what they please. Well, I’m a number eight person and so are you.

Red: Yeah, that’s true. And it’s been lonely. (Laugh) It’s been lonely man, I’ll tell ya. It’s been... Down right scary.

Elvis: Well, I can see it.

Red: But listen, ah, I just, I’m old enough, I just chalk it up to life man, It’s another step down that railroad, ya know, and ah, I have to learn to cope with it, and go on and try and do something. But ah, what can I say. I don’t ah, you know, feel sorry for myself. I’m a grown man. I can do something else, do other things. But ah, like you said there was a failure to communicate there at the last. Maybe I didn’t, I wasn’t around, and around enough when you wanted to talk to somebody or whatever.

Elvis: Well yeah, maybe all that, Like maybe according to that song Aubrey, “Maybe I Was Absent And Listening Too Fast”. But ah, but ah, it just kinda, it bugged me when you said, that was a cruel thing or whatever to Charlie.

Red: I can’t hear you, E. I’m sorry.

Elvis: About being ****** up.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Cause I’m not. I got a daughter and a life. You know, what profiteth a man if he gains the world and loses his soul?

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: I love to sing, that’s been my thing, since I’v been two years old.

Red: Yeah, I know.

Elvis: You know, we were sitting here playing the guitar and everything, singing old songs, “Love Is A Many Splendored Thing”, and ya know, me and Charlie talked about that harmony part, missing that harmony part. (laugh)

Red: Yeah, well, what can I say, I miss singing it. (Laugh) You know, but that’s the way the ball bounces.

Elvis: Well, you take care of yourself and your family. And if you need me for anything I, ya know, would be more than happy to, to help out.

Red: I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Elvis: I mean it. I don’t give a deleted - see guidelines #2, the articles or publications or none of that shit, That I’ve heard. I just heard rumors, bits and pieces. I don’t know nothing, ya know, I was on tour and ah, just heard bits and pieces. I have never really sat down with anybody and had it laid out to me. I don’t ah, nothing, I just know that you as a person, and Pat, and ah, if there is anything I can do, anyway of getting a job, anything else. You know, know, I’m still here son.

Red: Well, I appreciate that. I really do. And ah, I’ll tell Pat what you said, that will make her feel better, she was hurt. You know, she couldn’t understand it. My kids, my kids really, especially...

Elvis: All of us...

Red: Huh.

Elvis: All of us were hurt in different ways. It’s like that song Desada Deraida, “ Listen To The Dull And The Ignorant, For They Too Have Their Story”. And then Hank Williams wrote “You Never Walked In That Mans Shoes Or Saw Things Through His Eyes”.

Red: Right, that’s true.

Elvis: So you know, after analyzing the **** thing, ah, I can see it, I can see it clearly. That’s why I’m saying, anything I can do at all, I’ll be more than happy.

Red: Ok, I appreciate it, and ah...

Elvis: You take care of yourself son.

Red: OK, and if, let me say one more thing before you hang up. If everybody is worried about the book, tell them not to. Man, I mean including yourself. Ah, we’re writing the good stuff Elvis, people, the things...

Elvis: Worried about, worried about the book? Well ah, I don’t think so.

Red: OK.

Elvis: Not on, not on my part.

Red: OK. Good. Because I was ah, out, I was broke. I was made an offer to write the book. I said I’ll write the book if I can tell all from day one the good, good days. He said all right, whatever.

Elvis: Well, you do whatever you have to do.

Red: Okey doke.

Elvis: I just want you and Pat to know... I’m still here.

Red: Ok, I appreciate that. And you take care of yourself.

Elvis: OK.

Red: OK.

Elvis: Take it easy.

Red: Bye-bye.

[Donut]

I understand what you are saying. But I we will just have to agree to disagree on Priscilla, b/c I just don't concur with you on that topic.

Can we call a truce on this one???

That´s fine with me ehollier. I was just giving my opinion wich happens to be the opposite of yours. Since you seemed perplexed as to why we think they way we do I tried to explained it the best I could.

See you in other threads.

[ehollier]

Elvis: That wedding thing, ya know, that wedding thing. I had nothing to do with that. That was railroaded through, ah, I didn’t even know who was there. It was all in a little room bout the size of a bathroom with a Supreme Court Justice. It was in there, over and done so quick, I didn’t even realize I was married.

Red: Oh, yeah, your talking about your wedding...

Elvis: I ****** that up. I could see it, I could see it back then, but, see it wasn’t my doing.

Red: Right
Elvis: Wasn’t my doing.

Red: You know, I figured that was the Colonel and...

Elvis: It was a ramrod type thing. I had nothing to do with it... You know, All the sudden I was married.

Red: Yeah.



I still believe that he was talking about the ceremony when he says it was all Col. Parker's planning as to who was present at the wedding and who was left out, more specifically, Red West. I don't think that there was much time between when the final date was set until the actual wedding so it was, as he says, "a ramrod type of thing." But I don't think it is alluded to that he didn't want to marry Priscilla - just that it happened so fast and without much say so on his part.

[MissyM]

So far no one has come up with a plausable/logical idea of why the rush. A rush to wed, to the point of leaving his friends and some family out. A rush even though Cilla always wanted a big wedding. A rush when some have said he wasn't ready. (not all can be wrong)
Did he love her, no doubt a part of him did. But Elvis fell for women readily and with more than one at a time. And he had temptation galore. He wasn't stupid and knew fedelity would be a great challenge.
So untill I hear those questions answered, I'll believe what my sources say.
And since it does not make sense that Pricilla would be a virgin on her wedding night, I'll add that to my logic. Some people said Elvis liked to say she got pregnant the wedding night, because he liked mystical happenings. (so there is the doubt) But he also prided himself on being careful like he was warned about. So it would be quite the embarrassing thing for a man to confess. Later it is said he also told that he must have messed up with her.
To me all logic points to it happening(the sex)and her making him think it happened (the slip up)before the marriage.
As I said, happens plenty when a women wants to hook a man who will not commit. Do you really think she was going to stay forever and watch the guys be or get married???

[TotallyInsane]

So far no one has come up with a plausable/logical idea of why the rush. A rush to wed, to the point of leaving his friends and some family out. A rush even though Cilla always wanted a big wedding. A rush when some have said he wasn't ready. (not all can be wrong)
Did he love her, no doubt a part of him did. But Elvis fell for women readily and with more than one at a time. And he had temptation galore. He wasn't stupid and knew fedelity would be a great challenge.
So untill I hear those questions answered, I'll believe what my sources say.
And since it does not make sense that Pricilla would be a virgin on her wedding night, I'll add that to my logic. Some people said Elvis liked to say she got pregnant the wedding night, because he liked mystical happenings. (so there is the doubt) But he also prided himself on being careful like he was warned about. So it would be quite the embarrassing thing for a man to confess. Later it is said he also told that he must have messed up with her.
To me all logic points to it happening(the sex)and her making him think it happened (the slip up)before the marriage.
As I said, happens plenty when a women wants to hook a man who will not commit. Do you really think she was going to stay forever and watch the guys be or get married???

Why not?? Charlie Hodge did!!! :lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

As I said, happens plenty when a women wants to hook a man who will not commit. Do you really think she was going to stay forever and watch the guys be or get married???

There is a reason why it's referred to as the oldest trick in the book.;););)

[presley31]

Didn't gelto do the math about priscilla being pregant and it was right on with what she said??

[MissyM]

Totally, it's not the same for a man. No way.

[MissyM]

I don't know what sites he has used but every single on I went to said this.

Day Starting Last Menstrual Period (04/28/1967)

Average Length of Cycle (Default 28 )



Your Estimated Conception Date: 05/12/1967

Your Estimated Due Date: 02/02/1968


Here are the links, put in the dates yourself. Some you have to use current dates. (like 02/02/2008-as due date)

http://www.pregnancy-calendars.net/pregnancy-calculator.aspx

http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=pregnancy+calculator&fr=my-myy-s&u=www.intmed.mcw.edu/clincalc/pregnancy.html&w=pregnancy+

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ag36jLFotxWRmR1YQbpG26t52PAI?p=pregnan cy+calculator&fr=my-myy-s&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

[Brian]

I'll admit that I've never heard it on CD; however, I do have read about the claims that Elvis didn't want to get married by Marty Lacker. The only trouble I have with this claim is that of all of the MM, Marty is the only one that I have read that has said that Elvis didn't want to marry Priscilla. All of the MM members that I can recall have said otherwise. So who are you gonna believe???

I'm not knocking your theory, but this, like so many other anomolies, are without a firm answer.




Hi ehollier how are you?

Lamar, Sonny and Billy have said it as well

[Merry]

There were many in my time that married young as well.
That's what many girls looked forward to. A home, husband and babies.
It might be better for the family unit if men and women looked forward to that more today.
I'm all for education; as I pushed my daughter and sons toward that goal.
But, there seems to be something missing in the families today.

I DO understand your ideals of "pure love." That does indeed seem to last longer and fulfills a need nothing else can. As in "loving someone just for themselves." I don't think Elvis ever had that after his mother passed. :'(


This is how I was raised, and feel, I agree with Genie. Seems that things don't work, how you'd wish them to be.

Yes, I agree that there is a lot missing in families today, generally speaking, it is very sad.

I think with the 'pure love' some show it in actions, as well, when it comes to Elvis ((((((()))))) xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[presley31]

Hi ehollier how are you?

Lamar, Sonny and Billy have said it as well

where does all your information came from?? have you ever read anything that the mm haven't wrote?

[TotallyInsane]

This is how I was raised, and feel, I agree with Genie. Seems that things don't work, how you'd wish them to be.

Yes, I agree that there is a lot missing in families today, generally speaking, it is very sad.

I think with the 'pure love' some show it in actions, as well, when it comes to Elvis ((((((()))))) xxxxxxxxxxxxx

You agreed with Genie but you captured Cameron's post???? I'm lost!!!!

[Brian]

where does all your information came from?? have you ever read anything that the mm haven't wrote?

Hi Presley31

Yes I have, I actually heard them saying this on t.v. they have been saying it for years.

I know a lot of fans don't like the Memphis mafia but they were friends of Elvis and know a lot about him.

When you read a book about Elvis it is usually by people who never knew Elvis personally and the writers have to talk with people who did know him including the Memphis mafia so we are all getting info from the Memphis mafia in some way even if you read Mr. Guralnicks books or another major Elvis biography it includes things Marty, Lamar, Sonny, Red have said.

[MissyM]

I don't see why it's so hard to understand why Elvis would be hesitant to marry Priscilla? It's not like it would be a crime or anything, given his lifestyle. It's to each his own if he would have eventually. And isn't it in some ways a compassionate thing, him being leary? He knew he would be away alot, he prob. saw what that did to other marriages, and he knew his temptation would be great. It's odd, he gets blamed for so much of the demise of the marriage and I think he blamed himself and yet, he tried to avoid hurting a women. Perhaps he should have never let her come there. But even she has said it was to finish out her education. He took her under his wings and there was no promise of marriage. They didn't have that kind of relationship at the time. (an exclusive major one) So it makes no sense that he would imply that.
You can call his ways chauvanistic, old fashioned, and even self-centered, but you can not call them dishonest. He was honest with her and himself, in knowing what kind of women he needed, and what the wife of Elvis would be. (she knew what she was getting into) And bare in mind that Elvis hated and did not believe in divorce! To him he would be with this women for a lifetime.
Maybe that honesty is what made him so scared. Is that so wrong?
And yet, true to many things he went ahead and decided to do, he made the best of it. We see a man on his wedding day smiling and looking lovingly at his bride. Was he just acting? Or was he putting himself into a role he was forced to play. Or whatever love he had is what he focused on?
And then after 3 months of not having sex, she cheats on him? (he was faithful untill she was not)
Now I ask you, how hurtful would it be to take that leap of faith and trust, try your hardest to make a go of it and then have that happen. Be betrayed twice. ( twice because I believe she tricked him and then had the affair)
All one has to do is see how it all turned out and know that, if you think he didn't want to marry right then, he was the smartest one in the whole situation.(about being cautious)

[Merry]

You agreed with Genie but you captured Cameron's post???? I'm lost!!!!



LOL,

I should have captured the multi post.

I get lost myself, lol, so I don't blame you, trying to figure me out, lol :D

[Merry]

I don't see why it's so hard to understand ......


Thank you, Missy.

[Unchained Melody]

I don't see why it's so hard to understand why Elvis would be hesitant to marry Priscilla? It's not like it would be a crime or anything, given his lifestyle. It's to each his own if he would have eventually. And isn't it in some ways a compassionate thing, him being leary? )

Elvis thought he could have all the affairs he wanted and thought Priscilla would always be there at home when he was ready to come home. They said there are times he would stay in Palm Springs for weeks because he didn't want to go home to her...so he add countless number of affairs and of course Priscilla is going to seek interest in other men when her husband wouldn't show her affection and love....while he was having affairs with other women...I don't see why its so hard to blame Elvis.

[MissyM]

I beg to differ with you 100 percent on this one. You do not know what Elvis thought on his wedding day! You do not know if he intended to take his vows seriously. In so many areas of his life, he did take his promises seriously even if they were not his idea of an ideal situation. If he could indeed have his cake and eat it to, why not marry earlier and secure that little women at home. (so you see the contradiction in your statement)
Would Elvis have remained faithful if she didn't cheat-well I guess we will never know will we???
Of couse he knew that this particular promise would prob. be one of the most challenging of all. I do not think for a minute that he intended to hurt Priscilla like his father hurt his mother. No way. I think he went ahead and did the right thing with every intention of being faithful. Why think anything less since the burden of proof lies in being able to read his mind at the exact moment he said I do.
There are those who thought under any situation Elvis could not be faithful. That is conjecture of failure about Elvis...again opinion...and not what was in the heart, mind and soul of the man making the promise.

[utmom2008]

Elvis thought he could have all the affairs he wanted and thought Priscilla would always be there at home when he was ready to come home. They said there are times he would stay in Palm Springs for weeks because he didn't want to go home to her...so he add countless number of affairs and of course Priscilla is going to seek interest in other men when her husband wouldn't show her affection and love....while he was having affairs with other women...I don't see why its so hard to blame Elvis.

I think you are leaving out one VERY important piece of the puzzle.....she cheated first.;);)

[Tommy]

I think you are leaving out one VERY important piece of the puzzle.....she cheated first.;);)

I don't really think she cheated first, let's be realistic :lol:

[utmom2008]

I don't really think she cheated first, let's be realistic :lol:

Why do you think she says she did?:hmm::D

[presley31]

I don't really think she cheated first, let's be realistic :lol:

:lmfao::lmfao: I was thinking the same thing

[Diane]

I think she meant after they got married but we'll never know for sure.

Diane

[presley31]

I think she meant after they got married but we'll never know for sure.

Diane

I have doubts she even said that case she never once took the blame for anything that happen in there marriage, more blame on elvis than she;)

[utmom2008]

I don't really think she cheated first, let's be realistic :lol:


:lmfao::lmfao: I was thinking the same thing


Why do you think she says she did?:hmm::D

Did she say she did it first because she didn't want it to look like he made a fool of her??? The dance instructor...wasn' that 3 months after Lisa was born?:doh::doh::hmm::hmm:

[presley31]

Did she say she did it first because she didn't want it to look like he made a fool of her???:doh::doh::hmm::hmm:

beats me rosanne but it sounds more like a web of lies she is spining.

[utmom2008]

I think she meant after they got married but we'll never know for sure.

Diane

I think that's what she meant also Diane, but alot of fans don't want to think that she did it first. Remember.....everything was Elvis' fault. ;);) Poor Pris was a victim.:lmfao:

[franny]

I don't really think she cheated first, let's be realistic :lol:

I agree, Tommy. :lol:
Yes, they both cheated so, either way they are both wrong..

franny

[utmom2008]

beats me rosanne but it sounds more like a web of lies she is spining.

She does know how to spin one doesn't she?;););) IF she is lying about this also, then she must have said it so we would think that she gave as good as she got.;);)

[nyc]

She does know how to spin one doesn't she? IF she is lying about this also, then she must have said it so we would think that she gave as good as she got.

Or she could have done what politicians sometimes do.

Blurted out the truth by accident, LOL.

[Diane]

Elvis did cheat on Pris all through the time she was living at Graceland but they were never even officially engaged. We don't actually know what Priscilla did for those seven years before they got married. How did she spend her time while he was away? Seems a little strange that she suddenly decided to be unfaithful after they got married. Nothing adds up with them does it?

Diane