Moody Elvis

[President Presley]

I was reading Peter Guralnick book "Careless Love" last night, and it was the chapter which Elvis was insulting Kathy Westmoreland and the Sweet Inspirations on stage in 1975. I also read that Elvis held a gun to Kathy... I was kinda shocked, this wasn't the Elvis I knew. His character was changed at that time, because of the drugs I think. I stopped reading but will continue tonight.

What do you all think of Elvis in this chapter in the book?

[Merry]

Kathy's name was mentioned to me the other day, so I looked up her website.

Listen to this, how much Kathy adores and loves Elvis. You smile at her love and adoration, listening to her.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gFA-K-GNlKI (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gFA-K-GNlKI)

"I wish the World was full of Elvis Presley's"


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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bh7ZloAn6o

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Nice clip Jess, sometimes amidst all the tragedy its nice to hear someone say something nice about Elvis.... Even Priscilla finds that hard these days ;)

[Elvistcbkirch]

If that side of Elvis is new to you, I suggest you to read further more of Peter Guralnick and maybe supply your reading with 'Elvis What Happened' and 'Deat Of Elvis'. It will leave you with no doubt, that the drugs, his lifestyle, the fame changed his behaviour radical. He even became violent and trigger-happy, and its a miracle that he didnt kill anybody during his shoot-outs.

Its been discussed a lot in this forum, but my point is still as following: You have to seperate the man from the music. There was nothing glorious to Elvis' personality the last years of his life. Its no secret anymore.

[Merry]

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[utmom2008]

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[Elvistcbkirch]

I rest my case...

[Merry]

Like all of us, when we go through things. Elvis was human, no-one can blame him.

Takes someone to love them, and be there, makes all the difference, has for me......

[Merry]

Anyway,

I had to look at Inspector Clouseau after the mention of "cases", lol

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zM9-3HP62FM

Admittedly, through open fingers on my face, lol.

[cameron]

Kathy's name was mentioned to me the other day, so I looked up her website.

Listen to this, how much Kathy adores and loves Elvis. You smile at her love and adoration, listening to her.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gFA-K-GNlKI (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gFA-K-GNlKI)

"I wish the World was full of Elvis Presley's"


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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bh7ZloAn6o




Makes you wonder where some of these authors get their stories that write these books. :blink:
After "years of research. " ??:doh:

[Merry]

Nice clip Jess, sometimes amidst all the tragedy its nice to hear someone say something nice about Elvis.... Even Priscilla finds that hard these days ;)


Hiya JJ,

Well, frankly, we all know how much to listen to 'Cilla and all about that.... :D JJ, you and I have different outlooks, too, lol. I don't think it's the case at all, about people "saying nice things about Elvis". It's only the people who sell dirt in my opinion, but we've had this conversation off, and on site, lol.

[President Presley]

If that side of Elvis is new to you, I suggest you to read further more of Peter Guralnick and maybe supply your reading with 'Elvis What Happened' and 'Deat Of Elvis'. It will leave you with no doubt, that the drugs, his lifestyle, the fame changed his behaviour radical. He even became violent and trigger-happy, and its a miracle that he didnt kill anybody during his shoot-outs.

Its been discussed a lot in this forum, but my point is still as following: You have to seperate the man from the music. There was nothing glorious to Elvis' personality the last years of his life. Its no secret anymore.

That 'bad' side is new to me, and it shocked me to be honest. I will continue with the book tonight and hope to find something positive so I can listen to his music again, right now I'm very confused and having mixed emotions about Elvis. Sure, his friends talk about his 'good' sides but he had his 'bad' sides aswell...

[presley31]

I was reading Peter Guralnick book "Careless Love" last night, and it was the chapter which Elvis was insulting Kathy Westmoreland and the Sweet Inspirations on stage in 1975. I also read that Elvis held a gun to Kathy... I was kinda shocked, this wasn't the Elvis I knew. His character was changed at that time, because of the drugs I think. I stopped reading but will continue tonight.

What do you all think of Elvis in this chapter in the book?

Kathy wasn't going to take anything serious what elvis was saying and sometimes the drugs make people do things, but the elvis that we all know and love wouldn't be mean to anyone or make them feel low. I really enjoy the book careless love, but lets all keep in mind that elvis was human and like I us he did somethings that didn't put him in the best light, but hey he still great in my eyes no matter what he did or didn't do.

[Merry]

Makes you wonder where some of these authors get their stories that write these books. :blink:
After "years of research. " ??:doh:


It's like black and white, Cameron, really is.

You can't tell me, that intelligent, insightful women, beautiful women inside, too (yes, and some do speak with the fans, and are available) memories' could be so opposite to the "stories" in the "books"?

There is a "rat" here with the telling of these "sold stories", told without compassion nor the context of the situation.

I wasn't going to fight, but there was a discussion recently about a story someone was saying "ohh this happened". The story told from Lacker's book was a total outright lie. (I'm not arguing anymore).

The true friends, well, who can't be drawn in by their love for Elvis, that he has so many wonderful aspects to his personality, (we all truely, have parts of our personalities we want to improve, I do) and love him for the qualities that are so important to oneself, hearing how he is as a man from their point of view? Kathy just now, Patti, the list goes on....

[presley31]

That 'bad' side is new to me, and it shocked me to be honest. I will continue with the book tonight and hope to find something positive so I can listen to his music again, right now I'm very confused and having mixed emotions about Elvis. Sure, his friends talk about his 'good' sides but he had his 'bad' sides aswell...

I think we all have good and bad sides and elvis was no different than you and me, just famous.

[Merry]

I think we all have good and bad sides and elvis was no different than you and me, just famous.




Hugs, Jen

Kimmi

[presley31]

Hugs, Jen

Kimmi


Back at you Kimmi :hug:

[Princesspixie]

loved that video of kathy westmoreland so sweet.. Elvis had his off days ...but dont we all?

[President Presley]

I think we all have good and bad sides and elvis was no different than you and me, just famous.


You're right, I think I was creating an ideal Elvis for myself, one without mistakes, a super-human: time to open my eyes :blink:

thanks;)

[presley31]

You're right, I think I was creating an ideal Elvis for myself, one without mistakes, a super-human: time to open my eyes :blink:

thanks;)

Your welcome(y) Nope elvis wasn't perfect, but he is still loved for his fans and we are the ones who accept all the good and bad(y)(y)

[President Presley]

Your welcome(y) Nope elvis wasn't perfect, but he is still loved for his fans and we are the ones who accept all the good and bad(y)(y)


That's why I like the internet, otherwise I had to go out on the street and seek an Elvis fan who also had read "Careless Love";)

[KPM]

That 'bad' side is new to me, and it shocked me to be honest. I will continue with the book tonight and hope to find something positive so I can listen to his music again, right now I'm very confused and having mixed emotions about Elvis. Sure, his friends talk about his 'good' sides but he had his 'bad' sides aswell...
I don't know if this will help-but all humans have a bad side, Elvis is no exception. I have a bad side-yet my actions are not ,and will not be, documented by practically everyone who can claim close contact with me. (nor by those who have casual contact with me) He was not the guy in the movies-he was flesh and blood who had problems, flaws, and made mistakes. That said, none of us want our bad sides to surface but it happens. When the bad side comes out it has to be accounted somewhere along the way with those who see it-but not like in his case with also the world.
I have never doubted his sincerity and depth of feeling as a singer but he had his flaws like us all.

[The Phoenix]

speaking from personal experience, drugs can really change a person. actually its not so much the drugs themselves, but what happens when they wear off or the person is suddenly unable to get more. they become VERY irritable and difficult to be around. most likely alot of these incidents occurred because he was experiencing the "crash" of the drugs wearing off or was not able to get any more and was having bad withdrawals.

[Elvistcbkirch]

I accept, that people have this 'I love the guy and he was such a warm person'-approach to Elvis. Thats not my business, but as a journalist I'm not interested in peoples mixed emotions to a stranger who died 30 years ago. I'm trying to put the picture together, and its not a flattering image of Elvis. Dont mistake me, I wouldt say, that to a point Elvis can reveal very strong feelings in me, when listening to the music. But is has nothing to do with Elvis as a person. I didnt know him, only his very close friends and family did. And what did they say, and still say today? They say what you can read in Guralnicks books. West, Hebler and other have said it for 30 years now: That it was a nightmare to 'protect' him and keep him alive. That he fell apart.

[Merry]

There seems to be a common thought process amongst journalists on here.

You know, let's put things into prospective.

Some people sell anything they can, to make money.

This is stoned (Joe Cocker):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_MsrsKzMM
(It is funny)
We need to get real!

[CRITTERGITTER]

Who could live the life Elvis lived and not fall apart? It might be easier now, but when Elvis was with us, there was no one to compare to him. There was never a day that he could just hang around without someone trying to see what he was wearing, how he was looking, what he was doing. IF he looked good they made up stories that he looked bad. IF he looked bad, they plastered it all over the media. We wanted to know what he ate, what he drank, his toothpaste, his aftershave, his toilet paper...we were so hungry for this man, we ate him alive. When someone asks me what killed Elvis, I say I did. I and others like me loved him to death. He shared with us until he had nothing left to share. He fell apart. Do you blame him?

[Merry]

Who could live the life Elvis lived and not fall apart? It might be easier now, but when Elvis was with us, there was no one to compare to him. There was never a day that he could just hang around without someone trying to see what he was wearing, how he was looking, what he was doing. IF he looked good they made up stories that he looked bad. IF he looked bad, they plastered it all over the media. We wanted to know what he ate, what he drank, his toothpaste, his aftershave, his toilet paper...we were so hungry for this man, we ate him alive. When someone asks me what killed Elvis, I say I did. I and others like me loved him to death. He shared with us until he had nothing left to share. He fell apart. Do you blame him?


All though this, Elvis loved his fans, and gave and gave and gave and gave.

[cameron]

There seems to be a common thought process amongst journalists on here.

You know, let's put things into prospective.

Some people sell anything they can, to make money.

This is stoned (Joe Cocker):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_MsrsKzMM
(It is funny)
We need to get real!

I never saw Elvis act like this ! :blink: :doh:

[cameron]

Who could live the life Elvis lived and not fall apart? It might be easier now, but when Elvis was with us, there was no one to compare to him. There was never a day that he could just hang around without someone trying to see what he was wearing, how he was looking, what he was doing. IF he looked good they made up stories that he looked bad. IF he looked bad, they plastered it all over the media. We wanted to know what he ate, what he drank, his toothpaste, his aftershave, his toilet paper...we were so hungry for this man, we ate him alive. When someone asks me what killed Elvis, I say I did. I and others like me loved him to death. He shared with us until he had nothing left to share. He fell apart. Do you blame him?

I would have to agree !! :'( He " had it all ?", IMO he gave it all and people just wanted more ! Some today, still take everything and then tell us how bad he was. He's supported all of them all his life and even after death !

[Merry]

I never saw Elvis act like this ! :blink: :doh:


EXACTLY!!!!

[CRITTERGITTER]

Joe Cocker still kinda acts like that. I thought that was just the way he was, just his style.

[TotallyInsane]

I don't know some of those books you read you'd think Elvis did act that way!!!

[cameron]

I don't know some of those books you read you'd think Elvis did act that way!!!

Thank God, I don't believe everything I read . ;)

[Merry]

Well, it has to make sense, first! lol

[cameron]

I accept, that people have this 'I love the guy and he was such a warm person'-approach to Elvis. Thats not my business, but as a journalist I'm not interested in peoples mixed emotions to a stranger who died 30 years ago. I'm trying to put the picture together, and its not a flattering image of Elvis. Dont mistake me, I wouldt say, that to a point Elvis can reveal very strong feelings in me, when listening to the music. But is has nothing to do with Elvis as a person. I didnt know him, only his very close friends and family did. And what did they say, and still say today? They say what you can read in Guralnicks books. West, Hebler and other have said it for 30 years now: That it was a nightmare to 'protect' him and keep him alive. That he fell apart.

I'm well aware that you don't think much of "emotions or feelings".
I do not believe you can understand anyone by closing off all emotions and being so detached .
I do not believe any of the ones you mentioned either .;)
There's many things I found I didn't like about Elvis. But, "lack of feeling and caring for others "was never one of them.

[TotallyInsane]

I accept, that people have this 'I love the guy and he was such a warm person'-approach to Elvis. Thats not my business, but as a journalist I'm not interested in peoples mixed emotions to a stranger who died 30 years ago. I'm trying to put the picture together, and its not a flattering image of Elvis. Dont mistake me, I wouldt say, that to a point Elvis can reveal very strong feelings in me, when listening to the music. But is has nothing to do with Elvis as a person. I didnt know him, only his very close friends and family did. And what did they say, and still say today? They say what you can read in Guralnicks books. West, Hebler and other have said it for 30 years now: That it was a nightmare to 'protect' him and keep him alive. That he fell apart.

What exactly about Elvis does interest you??

[KPM]

I accept, that people have this 'I love the guy and he was such a warm person'-approach to Elvis. Thats not my business, but as a journalist I'm not interested in peoples mixed emotions to a stranger who died 30 years ago. I'm trying to put the picture together, and its not a flattering image of Elvis. Dont mistake me, I wouldt say, that to a point Elvis can reveal very strong feelings in me, when listening to the music. But is has nothing to do with Elvis as a person. I didnt know him, only his very close friends and family did. And what did they say, and still say today? They say what you can read in Guralnicks books. West, Hebler and other have said it for 30 years now: That it was a nightmare to 'protect' him and keep him alive. That he fell apart.
Funny I also recall them telling stories of their love for him then,(and now) his generosity, his sense of humor, his kindness etc....it was not always the nightmare. The Wests complain that in their original book the emphasis was on the nightmare-that was a part of the story but not the "whole story" Its funny you say it has nothing to do with Elvis as a person-yet charisma had nothing to do with his singing. According to the same people mentioned he could walk into a room and you knew it without looking. That type thing has nothing to do with being a great singer-that has to do with a particular person-who happened to sing.
As "unflattering as the picture you are putting together may be"- people love him! The Wests love him even today-having seen it first hand. IMO They must feel the good memories out weigh the bad, or they would not feel so.
As you say thats not your approach as a journalist, not your business-but its a huge part of the story that a man as unflattering as you seem to find in the picture you perceive-still warrants love even from the ones who you get the story from. IMO

[KPM]

If that side of Elvis is new to you, I suggest you to read further more of Peter Guralnick and maybe supply your reading with 'Elvis What Happened' and 'Deat Of Elvis'. It will leave you with no doubt, that the drugs, his lifestyle, the fame changed his behaviour radical. He even became violent and trigger-happy, and its a miracle that he didnt kill anybody during his shoot-outs.

Its been discussed a lot in this forum, but my point is still as following: You have to seperate the man from the music. There was nothing glorious to Elvis' personality the last years of his life. Its no secret anymore.
So do the last years of his life-the worst times of his life-warrant forgetting that he was not always like that? IMO if thats how we judge people then many great people will not be remembered for the great public and personal moments in the history of their lives, only the wrong turns and mistakes.
So in that case we have no great people, no pioneers, no heros-because few if any get through life with no "wrong turns"

[cameron]

I was going to ask more, but think Gail and Ken covered it all.
Except for Elvis' toilet stool.

[SweetCaroline]

So do the last years of his life-the worst times of his life-warrant forgetting that he was not always like that? IMO if thats how we judge people then many great people will not be remembered for the great public and personal moments in the history of their lives, only the wrong turns and mistakes.
So in that case we have no great people, no pioneers, no heros-because few if any get through life with no "wrong turns"


That you for your post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:notworthy(y):notworthy(y)

As far as ELVIS the person....I will always LOVE him as much or more than the music....mistakes and all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[utmom2008]

Funny I also recall them telling stories of their love for him then,(and now) his generosity, his sense of humor, his kindness etc....it was not always the nightmare. The Wests complain that in their original book the emphasis was on the nightmare-that was a part of the story but not the "whole story" Its funny you say it has nothing to do with Elvis as a person-yet charisma had nothing to do with his singing. According to the same people mentioned he could walk into a room and you knew it without looking. That type thing has nothing to do with being a great singer-that has to do with a particular person-who happened to sing.
As "unflattering as the picture you are putting together may be"- people love him! The Wests love him even today-having seen it first hand. IMO They must feel the good memories out weigh the bad, or they would not feel so.
As you say thats not your approach as a journalist, not your business-but its a huge part of the story that a man as unflattering as you seem to find in the picture you perceive-still warrants love even from the ones who you get the story from. IMO
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[utmom2008]

So do the last years of his life-the worst times of his life-warrant forgetting that he was not always like that? IMO if thats how we judge people then many great people will not be remembered for the great public and personal moments in the history of their lives, only the wrong turns and mistakes.
So in that case we have no great people, no pioneers, no heros-because few if any get through life with no "wrong turns"

Once again......OUTSTANDING POST!!!!(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Genie]

:supriced:

I definately know a different Elvis than this writer...and a different Kathy...
I have the book but like most books, that is all they are intended to be. Something to write, make up, add or delete and make a few bucks...the rest is up to the people who truly Love Elvis and they will "Believe" whatever they choose.
I do not believe a word of it myself.

[Genie]

If that side of Elvis is new to you, I suggest you to read further more of Peter Guralnick and maybe supply your reading with 'Elvis What Happened' and 'Deat Of Elvis'. It will leave you with no doubt, that the drugs, his lifestyle, the fame changed his behaviour radical. He even became violent and trigger-happy, and its a miracle that he didnt kill anybody during his shoot-outs.

Its been discussed a lot in this forum, but my point is still as following: You have to seperate the man from the music. There was nothing glorious to Elvis' personality the last years of his life. Its no secret anymore.

:angry:

I knew him. He was not "Trigger Happy" and those books are trash.
He had enough money to play with his guns.. if he wanted to shoot out a TV set from boredom...who cares? If he was anything like what you've posted, he would not be remembered and loved to this day by millions of people...
His fame and glory would have faded in the dust.
Graceland would be a hotel, and Wayne Newton would be living it up on Elvis Presley Blvd.
In my opinion, "In the Ghetto" is where your comments belong, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen....:king:

[cameron]

Genie, everyone has an opinion and like all opinions you can take them for what they are worth. There was nothing newsworthy probably in the last year because it was being kept low key. So, I guess you could form your own opinion as to why. It's hard being the entertainer 24/7 especially when you have so many personal things to try and take care of.

The opinions that are formed by many come from the "tell-all" books . No one gives anyone a chance to have any other opinions without quoting from one of them. I've read so many of those things ---I still have to question just where they get their info from. :doh:
IF you look in the references of ALL of them ; you will find that all have taken a lot of their "research" from other books. You've just got to question; who in the world told any truths for them to write about in the first place . :blink:

[Getlo]

I was kinda shocked, this wasn't the Elvis I knew.

Yes, it is Elvis. Thankfully, the positives far outweigh the negatives of his behaviour, even in the final years. Whether he was on stage at his peak giving his all in a charity show, or rambling incoherently and firing off gans randomly ... it's Elvis. It is all Elvis.


Makes you wonder where some of these authors get their stories that write these books. :blink:
After "years of research. " ??:doh:

You can't possibly cast aspersions on Guralnick's work. Both volumes are impeccable in their research and will never be surpassed.


Elvis was human

Why do people keep saying that? Every person is human! It's meaningless!


but the elvis that we all know and love wouldn't be mean to anyone or make them feel low.

Yes, he would. And he did. But this is not to say he was like that all the time, even in his drug-fuelled state. Those fans who believe he was simply wonderful every second of every day are living in a fool's paradise. He was a good and kind person, obviously, and a decent, nice guy. But there were times when he could be a mean, vindictive, immature sonova*****.


IF he looked good they made up stories that he looked bad. IF he looked bad, they plastered it all over the media.

That isn't strictly true. During the 70s, the stories on Elvis were mostly the usual tabloid stuff, but none of it was like you describe. Remember, the allegations about drugs and junk food etc didn't really even directly emerge until 1977. Before then, there were a few rumours circulating, but nothing major. And even as EWH was in the news, his death was still such a shock. To say the media hounded him is completely wrong. Elvis' image was carefully controlled by Parker and the Elvis machine, and that's what the media reported. He never had paparazzi constantly following him; he was generally left alone. And yes, I know the media is worse today, but the principle is the same. The media liked Elvis, and he liked them. The relationship was fine, always.


When someone asks me what killed Elvis, I say I did. I and others like me loved him to death. He shared with us until he had nothing left to share. He fell apart. Do you blame him?

No, there is no blame at all. Just responsibility. Elvis was 100% responsible for whatever choices he made. Not you, not the media, not the MM, not me, not anyone else but him. The fact that Elvis' fans loved him so much had nothing to do with why he chose to take drugs, eat junk food, shoot guns, whatever.


:angry:I knew him. He was not "Trigger Happy" and those books are trash.He had enough money to play with his guns.. if he wanted to shoot out a TV set from boredom...who cares?

You did not know him at all. None of us here did. And these gun stories are not just about shooting TV's, either. I assume you're aware of the time he nearly killed Linda Thompson by firing a bullet through the wall, and it missed her head by inches? Or do you believe she is making that up? ;) And the time he nearly killed a young girl by almost overdosing her with cough syrup? Same thing. All documented events. All unpleasant, certainly. But true.

The good, the bad, and the ugly ... all were Elvis Presley.

[Lonniebealestreet]

I think that is the best way to look at all this. We first of all have to accept the undeniable truth to the many unpleasant "allegations" because so many of them are in fact true, plain and simple.

That's not to say there aren't many exaggerations at the same time. If Elvis ate a banana split for breakfast once, he did it every day, to paraphrase one of the authors of the Revelations book.

BUT...there are a lot of ugly things that the man did, things that are not so easy for fans to swallow, but they are things that are not a good representation of the man as a whole. However, as Getlo said, the good, the bad, and the ugly all make the man who he was and without question -- for me anyway -- add to the mystique and the appeal, and the constant quest to find new pieces to the puzzle.

Of course it would be nice on some levels to think the real Elvis and the carefully cultivated image were basically a match, but the man's story would be infinitely less interesting. And it's not hard for me as a fan to accept all that because this guy's life circumstances are really not anything that many of us can relate to; the outrageous and unpalatable things he did were part of a life that was truly extraordinary. So I cannot judge the man or think less of him for his faults...which is not to say he was a victim either. It just is what it is.

[Merry]

Why do people keep saying that? Every person is human! It's meaningless!


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It means a lot. Some people, Elvis especially, had a lot of humaneness about him. One of the reasons I love him, all about him.

Besides, it doesn't matter what you think, it matters how the people think, who are closest to Elvis. They love him. That is all that matters.

Furthermore, the fans who are wise, far outweigh, the others.

[presley31]

Yes, it is Elvis. Thankfully, the positives far outweigh the negatives of his behaviour, even in the final years. Whether he was on stage at his peak giving his all in a charity show, or rambling incoherently and firing off gans randomly ... it's Elvis. It is all Elvis.



You can't possibly cast aspersions on Guralnick's work. Both volumes are impeccable in their research and will never be surpassed.



Why do people keep saying that? Every person is human! It's meaningless!



Yes, he would. And he did. But this is not to say he was like that all the time, even in his drug-fuelled state. Those fans who believe he was simply wonderful every second of every day are living in a fool's paradise. He was a good and kind person, obviously, and a decent, nice guy. But there were times when he could be a mean, vindictive, immature sonova*****.



That isn't strictly true. During the 70s, the stories on Elvis were mostly the usual tabloid stuff, but none of it was like you describe. Remember, the allegations about drugs and junk food etc didn't really even directly emerge until 1977. Before then, there were a few rumours circulating, but nothing major. And even as EWH was in the news, his death was still such a shock. To say the media hounded him is completely wrong. Elvis' image was carefully controlled by Parker and the Elvis machine, and that's what the media reported. He never had paparazzi constantly following him; he was generally left alone. And yes, I know the media is worse today, but the principle is the same. The media liked Elvis, and he liked them. The relationship was fine, always.



No, there is no blame at all. Just responsibility. Elvis was 100% responsible for whatever choices he made. Not you, not the media, not the MM, not me, not anyone else but him. The fact that Elvis' fans loved him so much had nothing to do with why he chose to take drugs, eat junk food, shoot guns, whatever.



You did not know him at all. None of us here did. And these gun stories are not just about shooting TV's, either. I assume you're aware of the time he nearly killed Linda Thompson by firing a bullet through the wall, and it missed her head by inches? Or do you believe she is making that up? ;) And the time he nearly killed a young girl by almost overdosing her with cough syrup? Same thing. All documented events. All unpleasant, certainly. But true.

The good, the bad, and the ugly ... all were Elvis Presley.

Elvis wasn't any different he had good and bad days, but however surely there more stuff to elvis than his downfalls that keep getting back up time and time again. I think we all can be mean and treat people horrible, but alot of the times it was the drugs making elvis turn that way, anybody who has been addicated to drugs knows that and there isn't anyway to control your actions. Elvis was elvis and he did what he wanted, but l don't think we should all look down at his falls, after all he was human and made mistakes..haven't we all..

[cameron]

Originally Posted by cameron
Makes you wonder where some of these authors get their stories that write these books.
After "years of research. " ??


Quote Getlo

You can't possibly cast aspersions on Guralnick's work. Both volumes are impeccable in their research and will never be surpassed.

I question ALL of these books ! They are ALL written by the authors point of view too. No one will ever convince me any differently.
I'm NOT saying Elvis didn't have lots of faults , {as some accuse me of. }
You see; not one of those authors knew Elvis either .

[LtCarman]

Didn't Elvis also point a gun at David Stanley?

[cameron]

Didn't Elvis also point a gun at David Stanley?

If so, he should have pulled the trigger .:blink:

[TotallyInsane]

If so, he should have pulled the trigger .:blink:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[Diane]

For heaven's sake if we didn't like people because of some of their failings, we wouldn't even like ourselves now would we?

I don't like everything about any human being even the closest to me. If that was what I focused on, there wouldn't be anyone I cared for at all.

Diane

[LtCarman]

If so, he should have pulled the trigger .:blink:

Haha! I agree!:lmfao:

[Diane]

:) Cameron...no one could ever disagree with you on that one.

Diane

[ehollier]

In Peter Guralnick’s second manuscript, he writes the following:

“The Elvis Presley that I am writing about here is a man between the ages of twenty-three and forty-two. His circumstances are far removed from those of the boy whose dreams came true in the twenty-second year of his life. It is not simply that his mother has dies, testing his belief in the meaning of success. Without his mother by his side, he would have had to grow up; he would have had to face all the complications of adulthood in a situation of almost unbearable public scrutiny, a young man little different in temperament from the solitary child who had constructed a world from his imagination…He constructed a shell to hide his aloneness, and it hardened on his back. I know of no sadder story. But if the last part of Elvis’ life had to do with the price that is paid for dreams, neither the dreams themselves, nor the aspiration that fueled them should be forgotten. Without them, the story of Elvis Presley would have little meaning.”

[ehollier]

Peter Guralnick writes further regarding perception to Elvis Presley’s life:

"I have pursued new accounts, business documents, diaries, fan magazines, critical analyses, and the anecdotal testimony of friends and eyewitnesses not with the intention of imposing all this on the reader, but simply to try to understand the story. In the end, one has to cast aside the burden of accumulation and rely on instinct alone. There is always that leap of faith to be made when you accept the idea that you are painting a portrait, not creating a web site. Certainly you have to allow your gaze to wander, and it is essential to take every possibility into account, not to prejudge either on the basis of likelihood or personal bias – but you also have to recognize that if the angle of perception changed by just a little, with a slightly different selection of detail, there may be an altogether different view – that by immersing yourself in the subject you have earned your own perspective."

[SweetCaroline]

If so, he should have pulled the trigger .:blink:

My EXACT thoughts ....and then I scrolled down and saw you posted MY thoughts.
(y):lol:(y):lol:(y)

[SweetCaroline]

For heaven's sake if we didn't like people because of some of their failings, we wouldn't even like ourselves now would we?

I don't like everything about any human being even the closest to me. If that was what I focused on, there wouldn't be anyone I cared for at all.

Diane

IMO
The most accurate words in the whole thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[KPM]

Yes, it is Elvis. Thankfully, the positives far outweigh the negatives of his behaviour, even in the final years. Whether he was on stage at his peak giving his all in a charity show, or rambling incoherently and firing off gans randomly ... it's Elvis. It is all Elvis.



You can't possibly cast aspersions on Guralnick's work. Both volumes are impeccable in their research and will never be surpassed.



Why do people keep saying that? Every person is human! It's meaningless!



Yes, he would. And he did. But this is not to say he was like that all the time, even in his drug-fuelled state. Those fans who believe he was simply wonderful every second of every day are living in a fool's paradise. He was a good and kind person, obviously, and a decent, nice guy. But there were times when he could be a mean, vindictive, immature sonova*****.



That isn't strictly true. During the 70s, the stories on Elvis were mostly the usual tabloid stuff, but none of it was like you describe. Remember, the allegations about drugs and junk food etc didn't really even directly emerge until 1977. Before then, there were a few rumours circulating, but nothing major. And even as EWH was in the news, his death was still such a shock. To say the media hounded him is completely wrong. Elvis' image was carefully controlled by Parker and the Elvis machine, and that's what the media reported. He never had paparazzi constantly following him; he was generally left alone. And yes, I know the media is worse today, but the principle is the same. The media liked Elvis, and he liked them. The relationship was fine, always.



No, there is no blame at all. Just responsibility. Elvis was 100% responsible for whatever choices he made. Not you, not the media, not the MM, not me, not anyone else but him. The fact that Elvis' fans loved him so much had nothing to do with why he chose to take drugs, eat junk food, shoot guns, whatever.



You did not know him at all. None of us here did. And these gun stories are not just about shooting TV's, either. I assume you're aware of the time he nearly killed Linda Thompson by firing a bullet through the wall, and it missed her head by inches? Or do you believe she is making that up? ;) And the time he nearly killed a young girl by almost overdosing her with cough syrup? Same thing. All documented events. All unpleasant, certainly. But true.

The good, the bad, and the ugly ... all were Elvis Presley.
Respectfully Getlo- It is true we all make our own decisions-but for each individual the total responsibility of those decisions started long before each person was outside the womb of their mother. Each person carries the genes that come from their parents and are passed on, each person carries their own unique history of childhood and upbrining, each person because of all these things-becomes the adult human being who makes the decisions they do. You and I grew up very very differently-(as did Elvis, you or I) I have no point of reference with how you make decisions-it is unique to you.
But I have seen what a troubled childhood, suicides, constant moves, dirt poor family, inherited health issues and less that stellar parenting can do first hand. If I could only give you a glimpse of some of the memories I have-things I have seen, things no little kid should ever have to see or go thru perhaps you might say-Well that has to have some effect on a person.
I have seen how it shapes your choices, how it molds your person without even knowing it. We all make are own decisions and all make mistakes-and when we make them their are variables which are not universal in each persons process of thought or perception. Some people are very trusting, some super suspicious. Some people live legally to the letter, others cheat and steal.
Some are never sick a day in their life-others have congenital chronic problems. Some rarely have a depressing thought and are upbeat-others go round and round the mental mullberry bush.
My point is now, has always been and will always be, we are all unique and what you see as 100% responsibilty in each life I see as shared responsibilty by things each person has no control over in the shaping of their decision making process from unique early lives and heritage.
But you have your perspective-developed from your life and upbringing which is obviously the opposite of mine. IMO

[The Phoenix]

[QUOTE=CRITTERGITTER;222935]Who could live the life Elvis lived and not fall apart? It might be easier now, but when Elvis was with us, there was no one to compare to him.

There still isn't anyone to compare to him

[4THEHEART]

it's so sad people have so narrow perspectives to look at others..they must be examples of perfection themselves.exagerating moments of anger or frustration can give the same results for any of us only most of us are not make a good material for books and gossip mag.

Originally Posted by Elvistcbkirch http://www.tcb-world.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?p=222815#post222815)
If that side of Elvis is new to you, I suggest you to read further more of Peter Guralnick and maybe supply your reading with 'Elvis What Happened' and 'Deat Of Elvis'. It will leave you with no doubt, that the drugs, his lifestyle, the fame changed his behaviour radical. He even became violent and trigger-happy, and its a miracle that he didnt kill anybody during his shoot-outs.

Its been discussed a lot in this forum, but my point is still as following: You have to seperate the man from the music. There was nothing glorious to Elvis' personality the last years of his life. Its no secret anymore.

tcbkirch!! you may spend every second of your life to find anything to make Elvis look low but what you'll get at the end will be a huge nothing..but that effort of yours,sadly points a personal problem I must admit..why he didn't shoot anyone wasn't by chance it was just he wouldn't though there were a lot who deserved to be shot around him..
to get more about this beautiful personality,you mustn't think so shallow and simple about life and the happenings in this universe.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

For heaven's sake if we didn't like people because of some of their failings, we wouldn't even like ourselves now would we?

I don't like everything about any human being even the closest to me. If that was what I focused on, there wouldn't be anyone I cared for at all.

Diane

Very true words Diane. However, I also see getlo's point of view to a degree and of course others who have contributed. For me reading this thread I can see that one mans meat is another mans poison.

It is clear to me whatever your point of view, Elvis has some very passionate fans :)

[Donut]

I have contributed to this kind of threads the same or more than any of you but in my opinion this conversation is totally pointless and innecesary after all this time, the same for the parts that feels the needs to defend him from any negative opinion as much for the part that needs to make others see he did some things wrong. He did with his life what he wanted to , if you want to do something good take care of yours or of the ones around you that are still alive. Don´t get offence but this is my honest opinion.

[KPM]

Very true words Diane. However, I also see getlo's point of view to a degree and of course others who have contributed. For me reading this thread I can see that one mans meat is another mans poison.

It is clear to me whatever your point of view, Elvis has some very passionate fans :)

That is basically my point Matt.
I am who I am, you are who you are. My philosophy of life is from the stones I have walked over. I do not have a blanket view of everyone else-I can't have, because maybe they never had stones to get over, or maybe they had a lot of help with them...... But that is my perspective. I voice it because as you say I am passionate about it. But thats me.:blush:

[Merry]

I have contributed to this kind of threads the same or more than any of you but in my opinion this conversation is totally pointless and innecesary after all this time, the same for the parts that feels the needs to defend him from any negative opinion as much for the part that needs to make others see he did some things wrong. He did with his life what he wanted to , if you want to do something good take care of yours or of the ones around you that are still alive. Don´t get offence but this is my honest opinion.


I agree with you, Donut. I think "yawn....another one", or "not again" and hope it will go away, a lot of the time, when things build, they do.

However, this is a fan board for Elvis and his fans. If someone is going to run Elvis down, it is worse to sit by, and not say anything, especially when I read that other fans are being spoken to in a patrionising manner, it is just wrong. Would you like your loved ones to be spoken down to? Why is anyone else any different to your family? They aren't!

Why are the ones who harp on the same things over and over again, here? That is my question. I think that their own motives are to do with their own lives, building themselves up, it isn't anything to do with Elvis.

So, obviously, we as fans who love Elvis, are going to say "enough is enough, stop it".

The fans have every right to enjoy him, without being told the same negative stories over and over, again.

A lot of people are speaking up, as most on the board, are sick of it.

Quite simply, we love Elvis, and will support him,b in anything he does...

Take care,
Kimmi

[SweetCaroline]

I agree with you, Donut. I think "yawn....another one", or "not again" and hope it will go away, a lot of the time, when things build, they do.

However, this is a fan board for Elvis and his fans. If someone is going to run Elvis down, it is worse to sit by, and not say anything, especially when I read that other fans are being spoken to in a patrionising manner, it is just wrong. Would you like your loved ones to be spoken down to? Why is anyone else any different to your family? They aren't!

Why are the ones who harp on the same things over and over again, here? That is my question. I think that their own motives are to do with their own lives, building themselves up, it isn't anything to do with Elvis.

So, obviously, we as fans who love Elvis, are going to say "enough is enough, stop it".

The fans have every right to enjoy him, without being told the same negative stories over and over, again.

A lot of people are speaking up, as most on the board, are sick of it.

Quite simply, we love Elvis, and will support him,b in anything he does...

Take care,
Kimmi



Great post, Kimmi!!! :D I find posts on the board....a fascinating study in human personalities....and the posts that are made as much about the particular poster posting's personality and view of life.... than it is about Elvis :king: :D:D:D

[TotallyInsane]

I agree with you, Donut. I think "yawn....another one", or "not again" and hope it will go away, a lot of the time, when things build, they do.

However, this is a fan board for Elvis and his fans. If someone is going to run Elvis down, it is worse to sit by, and not say anything, especially when I read that other fans are being spoken to in a patrionising manner, it is just wrong. Would you like your loved ones to be spoken down to? Why is anyone else any different to your family? They aren't!

Why are the ones who harp on the same things over and over again, here? That is my question. I think that their own motives are to do with their own lives, building themselves up, it isn't anything to do with Elvis.

So, obviously, we as fans who love Elvis, are going to say "enough is enough, stop it".

The fans have every right to enjoy him, without being told the same negative stories over and over, again.

A lot of people are speaking up, as most on the board, are sick of it.

Quite simply, we love Elvis, and will support him,b in anything he does...

Take care,
Kimmi

Preach it Sista!!!!!

[Merry]

LOL, (crashing noises).

Darn box, lol, I fell off it! hehe :lmfao:

[cameron]

I agree with you, Donut. I think "yawn....another one", or "not again" and hope it will go away, a lot of the time, when things build, they do.

However, this is a fan board for Elvis and his fans. If someone is going to run Elvis down, it is worse to sit by, and not say anything, especially when I read that other fans are being spoken to in a patrionising manner, it is just wrong. Would you like your loved ones to be spoken down to? Why is anyone else any different to your family? They aren't!

Why are the ones who harp on the same things over and over again, here? That is my question. I think that their own motives are to do with their own lives, building themselves up, it isn't anything to do with Elvis.

So, obviously, we as fans who love Elvis, are going to say "enough is enough, stop it".

The fans have every right to enjoy him, without being told the same negative stories over and over, again.

A lot of people are speaking up, as most on the board, are sick of it.

Quite simply, we love Elvis, and will support him,b in anything he does...

Take care,
Kimmi
Great post, Kimi (y)
I've been around a long time. I try to be fair, but I'm also blunt and honest !
If I don't like something or someone, everyone will soon know. ;)
People reveal a lot of themselves, just by the things they say and the way they say it. {Me included}
I've been a "people watcher" long before I became an Elvis fan.
It can be fun; but you sure can't be an *** kisser ! ;)

[rhythmknights]

You're right, I think I was creating an ideal Elvis for myself, one without mistakes, a super-human: time to open my eyes :blink:

thanks;)

i wanted to respond to this b/4 I read the rest of the pages, the first time i read about the person Elvis became i became so depressed i couldn't read any more, then something happened - i discovered my then boyfriend was - well, let's not go there, let's just say i had real dramatic personal issues, and i realized, that was just life -and with Elvis, it was a whole lotta life issues, he's no longer on that pedestal, but he's still deep in my heart, and i think i love him more.
i also, decided not to read any more 'biographies' about him. i only own the Guranlnick books and fictional books with Elvis as a main or secondary character. this because with school, i just don't have the spare brain function to decipher who's telling the truth! about different situations!

[rhythmknights]

Yes, it is Elvis. Thankfully, the positives far outweigh the negatives of his behaviour, even in the final years. Whether he was on stage at his peak giving his all in a charity show, or rambling incoherently and firing off gans randomly ... it's Elvis. It is all Elvis.. . .

The good, the bad, and the ugly ... all were Elvis Presley.

Totally AGREE! Elvis did cover the entire scope so the rainbow and did it so no one could forget him - good, bad and ugly.

and the whole shooting out the tv/car. so what. it was his car and his tv. if i were stuck in a hotel room while all my buddies were out on the beach or in the casino or whatever, i'd wanna shoot something, too! especially if i paid for the whole danm trip to boot! now shooting at Linda and/or pals, no - clearly bad Elvis!

[CRITTERGITTER]

I love Elvis so much, I just don't care to hear anyone say anything bad about him anymore. The bad parts in his life happened but they are over. There's no need to keep dragging him through the mud. Let's have a little compassion, if not for Elvis, for each other. If I choose to look at ELvis through rose colored glass, who am I hurting? And why do others feel the need to chastise me for it. Elvis was my knight in shining armor long before forums were invented. And I listened to abusive criticism about ELvis from people I loved long before some of you folks were born. Nothing will change my opinion of him. He will always be special to me.

[SweetCaroline]

This is what goes through my mind when I see the SAME negative postings about Elvis by the same posters ....over and over and over again. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/180352/beatadeadhorse.gif

[President Presley]

Why are the ones who harp on the same things over and over again, here? That is my question. Kimmi

To answer your question, I'm a fan for about 3 years and this side of Elvis is just new to me. You and other may have talked about it all before, but for some folks it's all new. I think if Elvis could look back at that period, he wouldn't be too proud of it either, but he is still a special person who had an incredible voice.

[Donut]

If someone is going to run Elvis down, it is worse to sit by, and not say anything, especially when I read that other fans are being spoken to in a patrionising manner, it is just wrong. Would you like your loved ones to be spoken down to? Why is anyone else any different to your family? They aren't!


Jess, not everyone likes Elvis for the same reason. Some people simply don´t love him like you do, some only enjoy his music, others just think he made history, and some have a negative opinion of his personality and have the right to think so.
Anyway I think he did nice and great things along with maybe not too nice ones but in my opinion the best we can do is show them the good ones, start threads about them for instance...

[Unchained Melody]

Quote Getlo


I question ALL of these books ! They are ALL written by the authors point of view too. No one will ever convince me any differently.
I'm NOT saying Elvis didn't have lots of faults , {as some accuse me of. }
You see; not one of those authors knew Elvis either .

Yes but like Getlo said, in Gurlanick's books his information comes from sources who were there and the events that were documented.

But I think the bizzare stuff in Elvis' life is just part of what makes his life so interesting, and pulls people in.

[Unchained Melody]

, after all he was human and made mistakes..haven't we all..

Yes, we've established that point I do believe. (y)

[Unchained Melody]

The drugs obviously caused the much bizzare behavior in the last years. Billy Smith tells the story from late 1976, for some reason Elvis was looking out of his bedroom window and Patsy's son was outside with a friend playing with a B B Gun that had a telescope on it.

Billy said he had no idea why Elvis happened to be looking out the window but when he did he saw that gun pointed at his window the next thing you know Elvis opens the front door at Graceland with a machine gun of some sort and was ready to open fire on them and billy says Dick Grob coming running yellin' no Elvis that's patsy's boy and it took Elvis a second to realize that, Billy said Elvis must have forgotten who he was and he told billy to tell them kids they don't need to be playing with those **** guns.

Stories like this are shocking but not surprising when you think of the mental stage elvis was in at this time and his fasination with guns and being parinoid of being assasinated, I do believe the story, as i don't see why Billy would lie about something like that...

[Donut]

The good, the bad, and the ugly ... all were Elvis Presley.

My thoughts exactly and like everyone of us he chose who and when he showed those parts of his personality. Surely Kathy W. saw different things of him than Linda T. for example, Sonny W. lived things with Elvis that JD Sumner didn´t live, or Patty Parry noticed good traits in Elvis that maybe Lamar Fike didn´t notice and that doesn´t mean any of them is liying.

[President Presley]

but when he did he saw that gun pointed at his window the next thing you know Elvis opens the front door at Graceland with a machine gun of some sort and was ready to open fire on


That's understandable, kids can be very annoying sometimes:cursing:

[Unchained Melody]

That's understandable, kids can be very annoying sometimes:cursing:

It was funny because Billy said who knows what would have happened had Grob not been there..that Elvis was ready to open up on em :lol:

Not funny had he actually done that now, just that the man came down stairs with a machine gun and was dead serious about it.

[Unchained Melody]

What about somebody just wanting to scare the crap out of somebody?

Yes, or that....

[ehollier]

My thoughts exactly and like everyone of us he chose who and when he showed those parts of his personality. Surely Kathy W. saw different things of him than Linda T. for example, Sonny W. lived things with Elvis that JD Sumner didn´t live, or Patty Parry noticed good traits in Elvis that maybe Lamar Fike didn´t notice and that doesn´t mean any of them is liying.


"...you also have to recognize that if the angle of perception changed by just a little, with a slightly different selection of detail, there may be an altogether different view..." -- Peter Guralnick


speaking of the many differing versions of accounts told by those who were surrounded by Elvis.

[Getlo]

I question ALL of these books ! They are ALL written by the authors point of view too. No one will ever convince me any differently.

Every bloody book is written from the author's point of view!


You see; not one of those authors knew Elvis either .

A quite ridiculous assertion. An author does not need to actually know their subject to be able to write an authoritative book on them! By your rationale, a modern biography on Winston Churchill and, more obviously, Julius Caesar could not be trusted.

Good authors - like Guralnick did - speak to those who were there with Elvis and who knew him, and write up the different stories accordingly. Guralnick does not judge Elvis, and does not, in fact, give his point of view on Elvis, save only for his introduction. He is impartial.

Your point about authors quoting other "negative" sources in their books doesn't make sense at all. If Guralnick had not listed What Happened among his references, then there would be something wrong. But he listed that, along with Goldman, and many, many other more "positively-regarded" Elvis tomes in his acknowledgements. That's what a good author does: refers to many sources, and checks the veracity of each. Which Guralnick did in spades!

And your general logic is inherently flawed: you do not trust books that are written by people who did not know Elvis, yet you tear shreds off books written by those who knew him (the MM). You can't have it both ways.

By the way, still waiting on what parts of What Happened, Revelations etc you believe to be lies ...

[cameron]

Yes but like Getlo said, in Gurlanick's books his information comes from sources who were there and the events that were documented.
But I think the bizzare stuff in Elvis' life is just part of what makes his life so interesting, and pulls people in.

IMO, those "foggy glasses" works both ways .;)
I still say any author writes from their own opinion.
IF someone likes and enjoys their opinion, it sells.
Bizzare might "pull some in", but most don't/won't stay until they decide if they really like the man and his music.

The "bizzare " just made me want to find out if all the crap said was true.
If so, I wanted to know why and what caused it.IF I belived it all, I just wouldn't be here .
Who would want to hang out with a guy like that? IMO, only people that act and feel the same.

[President Presley]

Shame Real life soap didn't excist in the 70's, you know, like The Osbourne's:lol:

[Getlo]

Wanted to add also, somebody who valued life, even of animals. Someone who mourned the death of an animal. Somebody willing to give up his life for those he loved. Drugs didn't change that.

Someone who made good music. Someone who gave his all on stage. Someone who always treated people with compassion. Someone who was rational and sensible. Drugs did change that (in isolated incidents).

[Getlo]

The "bizzare " just made me want to find out if all the crap said was true. [/I]IF I belived it all, I just wouldn't be here .
Who would want to hang out with a guy like that? IMO, only people that act and feel the same.

List three things you think are "bizarre", ie untrue, that have been said of Elvis over the years.

[Donut]

IF I belived it all, I just wouldn't be here .
Who would want to hang out with a guy like that? IMO, only people that act and feel the same.

A boy like what ???
You wouldn´t be here if you found out he used prescription drugs as a scape, shot his tv sets wich he paid for, and some girl got overdosed with cough syrup by her own choice in his suite?
I don´t understand it.

[ehollier]

In Guralnick's second volume regarding differing points of view, he writes:

There was no question in my mind that almost without exception, everyone I interviewed was telling the truth as he or she saw it. Interpretations might be shaded, timed frames telescoped -- but there was a conscious attempt at distortion, save for the universal human impulse to see oneself at the center of the picture.

I have tried to respect those truths. I have tried to understand each of the witnesses' stories. But most of all, I have tried to understand Elvis', and to give the reader, too, a new basis for understanding by delineating the context in which frequently well-known events occurred. That search for context is as much as anything else, at the heart of my own deep-seated belief in research. One must respect not just the story, but also the way in which it develops.

[Unchained Melody]

Someone who made good music. Someone who gave his all on stage. Someone who always treated people with compassion. Someone who was rational and sensible. Drugs did change that (in isolated incidents).

Exactly right Getlo.

[Getlo]

In Guralnick's second volume regarding differing points of view, he writes: ... One must respect not just the story, but also the way in which it develops.

Exactly. Anyone who had read the book properly would understand that and, therefore, understand the approach to writing good, authoritative works with many sources credited.

[Unchained Melody]

Wanted to add also, somebody who valued life, even of animals. Someone who mourned the death of an animal. Somebody willing to give up his life for those he loved. Drugs didn't change that.

Yes, but that don't change the fact that the drugs did cause him to do bizzare things in the end like the story i mentioned for example. He wasn't the same Elvis from years before, that stuff messed him up bad at times which is so sad to say but theres no way to deny it.

[Unchained Melody]

Exactly. Anyone who had read the book properly would understand that and, therefore, understand the approach to writing good, authoritative works with many sources credited.

And yet even with those sources, some still won't believe the stories that portray him in a negative light.

[cameron]

:yawn::yawn::yawn: SOS, just a different day. :blink:

[Unchained Melody]

:yawn::yawn::yawn: SOS, just a different day. :blink:

Sorry if we are boring you Cam....:hmm:

[Unchained Melody]

Getlo is not exactly right. Kind of the blind leading the blind. He wasn't there.

Ummm ... What role did you happen to play in Elvis' life pray tell ?



He is just going by something someone else said. It seems to fit according to his way of thinking and so he ASSUMES this must be true. Well it's not, a lot of things aren't.

And how are you sure its not ? What else do we have to go by, if we didn't get to hear their stories then we would know nothing.

[Getlo]

I know because I was there. It's no wonder I left that life.

You weren't there any more than anyone else on TCB World was. And of course I am going by what others have said ... the ones that were there with him.

[Getlo]

Ummm ... What role did you happen to play in Elvis' life pray tell.

None at all, that's what. Unless this person is willing to say how and when they knew Elvis, it is pure fantasy.

[Unchained Melody]

There are those who are decent enough to accept a person for who they are, with their faults..

No one here said they didn't accept Elvis for him as a person and his faults. We are simply having a discussion about some of the bizzare things he went through in the later years.....

[Unchained Melody]

And of course I am going by what others have said ... the ones that were there with him.


You would think that's what someone would go by. Yet it seems those who were there are always thought of as liars, leeches etc because they tell it like it was and the way they saw it.

[Getlo]

I would also like to point out that, like several people on here, I have met and spent time with several members of the MM and the TCB Band, and some others from Elvis' family ... their stories all match up in conversations with me.

I'll take the word of these people over someone who claims a connection with Elvis without offering any proof or further details, thanks very much!

[cameron]

Getlo is not exactly right. Kind of the blind leading the blind. He wasn't there. He is just going by something someone else said. It seems to fit according to his way of thinking and so he ASSUMES this must be true. Well it's not, a lot of things aren't. Everyone is so quick to believe the worst in somebody. I know because I was there. It's no wonder I left that life. Peopel are parasites and just want to dig up dirt to hurt you and the ones you love. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". It's not worth it. There are those who are decent enough to accept a person for who they are, with their faults. To those people I say thank you and God bless.
Stick to your beliefs !
You don't owe anyone anything ,IMO. (y)

[cameron]

I've always wondered if the name droppers wanted to give information ---
or just make themselves look important. :hmm:
The ones I've talked to never wanted their "names dropped." ;) :P

[cameron]

Not me cameron. I'm just an insignificant nobody. Fly on the wall. Doesn't make a difference to me. I know who I am.
I wasn't referring to you . Just the ones that do. ;)

[KPM]

IMO Everyone should believe what they get from all they have read, heard (in interviews or in person) and what their common sense tells them. That said-it does not make it the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I have never doubted Elvis had 2 sides to his personality. I have not tried to make him a saint to be worshiped as a perfect human. But since I was not there-and since all info most of us have is and always will be is second hand-I will give the doubt "when it is warranted" to Elvis. I am not here because its the Lamar Fike forum, nor any of the others-its an Elvis forum. Sure they were there and naturally we discuss them, but they were not the source of his talent, charisma, or ability. For all they did for Elvis-anyone could have done what they did. For his part Parker said Elvis was going to be big no matter who managed him. Would Elvis have been as demanding of regular employees, would that have helped him with his self control? Some will say he picked them-yep he sure did-and IMO he should have picked employees-not friends to work for him. I have said that before. But something in his mental makeup needed the cocoon around him-for mental and physical protection. I just do not see this as a wise choice. That brings me back to the point I have always tried to get across-what made him so insecure that he felt he needed that cocoon? I am not looking for excuses-I am looking for the reasons he was as he was!
There was an element of fear in not wanting anyone he did not already feel secure with around. I think as he aged that fear got worse, as all his other problems did.
What once was fun for a few years became tension, jealousy, and in fighting with him at the center. They all wanted to be his best friend and confidant. When Geller got Elvis's ear-they all hated it. Because if he had Elvis's ear, perhaps they had moved down a notch. Would that atmosphere among 6-10 guys produce tension. My favorite Red West statement
boils down to "How else could it all have gone?" in the book "Elvis Close Up"
But we all have our own take on this.

[Diane]

You summed it all up very well KPM.(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[cameron]

The most irritating ,aggravating thing I found with Elvis---he was too loyal and put up with all of them way too long.

Nicely stated as always, Ken. (y)

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I don't think anyone on this messagboard isn't an Elvis fan, we are all here with different points of view, we all have our own take on what we have heard. For instance even if we were all in the same room and heard the same information we would all go away with something different that reached out to us as an individual!

We each take away a piece of Elvis as the person we like, it may be the 50's Elvis, it might be the 60's or 70's Elvis. it might even be the gun toting Elvis who was slightly not in control of his faculties :supriced:

Whatever element we like of Elvis it is never going to be the whole Elvis, there is so much more that we are missing without the individual themselves to tell us whether it is right or wrong. Although this doesn't always give us the truth either, we all have a different perspective about how we view ourselves and Elvis would be no exception. For instance the justification for an action may seem important to the individual, but the rationale may be floored because of the emotional state.

This does not stop us from forming valid opinions based on information that can be validated from numerous sources, the stories may vary dependant upon who is giving their point of view, however the story can be verified! Its not a question of believing the worst of Elvis, it is simple fact! Priscilla has relayed many stories which have been verified by the MM and these guys don't get on!!

To debate or discuss these issues is not off limits, if there are topics that trigger your sensibilities you should simply not take part, after all who decides what is negative and what is fluff???

[Diane]

Priscilla has relayed many stories which have been verified by the MM and these guys don't get on.....

Again, did the MM actually see Elvis do what Priscilla claimed or are they just taking her word?

Another point which has come up for me because of another thread, if this Grant person raped Priscilla in Germany, not only why did Elvis keep him around but then also...how could she have been a virgin at their wedding then?

So many things we hear and read are conflicting. And I agree with Matt, even if Elvis was here to tell his side, again it would be his own slant on things as he perceived them but at least we would have two sides to the stories.

Diane

[presley31]

Priscilla has relayed many stories which have been verified by the MM and these guys don't get on.....

Again, did the MM actually see Elvis do what Priscilla claimed or are they just taking her word?

Another point which has come up for me because of another thread, if this Grant person raped Priscilla in Germany, not only why did Elvis keep him around but then also...how could she have been a virgin at their wedding then?

So many things we hear and read are conflicting. And I agree with Matt, even if Elvis was here to tell his side, again it would be his own slant on things as he perceived them but at least we would have two sides to the stories.

Diane

He tryed to rape her diane, he has his own version of the story in childbride but that was taken to court and priscilla won.

[Merry]

He tryed to rape her diane, he has his own version of the story in childbride but that was taken to court and priscilla won.


Actually, honey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that she didn't.

Priscilla certainly likes stating "rape" as a last resort to get her own way....

[Merry]

Priscilla has relayed many stories which have been verified by the MM and these guys don't get on.....

Again, did the MM actually see Elvis do what Priscilla claimed or are they just taking her word?

Another point which has come up for me because of another thread, if this Grant person raped Priscilla in Germany, not only why did Elvis keep him around but then also...how could she have been a virgin at their wedding then?

So many things we hear and read are conflicting. And I agree with Matt, even if Elvis was here to tell his side, again it would be his own slant on things as he perceived them but at least we would have two sides to the stories.

Diane


Some very good points there, Diane. I do enjoy it when dishonest people are caught.

[presley31]

Actually, honey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that she didn't.

Priscilla certainly likes stating "rape" as a last resort to get her own way....

Priscilla Presley filed a lawsuit against Currie Grant for his claims in the book, stating in her action that his claims were fabrications. On August 19, 1988 Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Daniel Curry found defendant Currie Grant guilty of defamation and ordered him to pay damages

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Bride:_The_Untold_Story_of_Priscilla_Beaulie u_Presley


Jess rape is a very serious thing to throw around and for the people who had it happen would really be hurt if priscilla did indeed say this for fun(n)

[utmom2008]

What once was fun for a few years became tension, jealousy, and in fighting with him at the center. They all wanted to be his best friend and confidant. When Geller got Elvis's ear-they all hated it. Because if he had Elvis's ear, perhaps they had moved down a notch. Would that atmosphere among 6-10 guys produce tension. My favorite Red West statement
boils down to "How else could it all have gone?" in the book "Elvis Close Up"
But we all have our own take on this.

Very well said....I agree completely.(y)(y)

[Merry]

Priscilla Presley filed a lawsuit against Currie Grant for his claims in the book, stating in her action that his claims were fabrications. On August 19, 1988 Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Daniel Curry found defendant Currie Grant guilty of defamation and ordered him to pay damages

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Bride:_The_Untold_Story_of_Priscilla_Beaulie u_Presley


Jess rape is a very serious thing to throw around and for the people who had it happen would really be hurt if priscilla did indeed say this for fun(n)


I agree, honey. It's a horrible thing to claim, doing so, couldn't be lower.

So many people live vicariously through others (people who write these write ups in Wikepedia, too). I guess they want who they look up to be as down as they feel, so they then think that they have them at their level.

'Cilla appears to be a woman scorned, to me.

I have read somewhere, that other charges she placed on Grant, where thrown out. The whole court case was mute? (I couldn't find it, hopefully someone will know, there doesn't appear to be anything much on the net, at all). In fact, that her alleged rape charge wasn't supported. Also remember, that Wikepedia wouldn't be the best source. I'm sure someone will fill us in.

Yes, claiming rape is disgusting, seems like she has a pattern going here, herself, to me?

If I was raped, I'd be reporting it. Raped twice? If you didn't the first time, you'd do it the second, for obvious reasons. Heck, she then just walked away, "oh I was raped" without being sore? Her clothes not torn or in disarray? Without feeling degraded? Without being upset in anyway?

Two times she has claimed rape.

Makes absolutely no sense.

Furthermore Jen, I'm going through a hard time at the moment personally, and anything that has been done to me, I've reported it to the Police to cover myself, and nothing as serious as what 'Cilla has claimed twice (the rape) has happened, yet she claims it, when it suits her? How long did it take her each time, to share this little gem of information, perhaps just in general conversation with another? Wouldn't you be going to the Police, or those whom are closest to, saying "OMG I was raped!"?

'Cilla's story doesn't make sense to me. I doubt that Grant would have been standing, little alone, sitting at their table, if he raped Elvis' woman, either. Surely, everyone would agree on that point!

The truth does show itself, eventually.

[presley31]

I agree, honey. It's a horrible thing to claim, doing so, couldn't be lower.

So many people live vicariously through others (people who write these write ups in Wikepedia, too). I guess they want who they look up to be as down as they feel, so they then think that they have them at their level.

'Cilla appears to be a woman scorned, to me.

I have read somewhere, that other charges she placed on Grant, where thrown out. The whole court case was mute? (I couldn't find it, hopefully someone will know, there doesn't appear to be anything much on the net, at all). In fact, that her alleged rape charge wasn't supported. Also remember, that Wikepedia wouldn't be the best source. I'm sure someone will fill us in.

Yes, claiming rape is disgusting, seems like she has a pattern going here, herself, to me?

If I was raped, I'd be reporting it. Raped twice? If you didn't the first time, you'd do it the second, for obvious reasons. Heck, she then just walked away, "oh I was raped" without being sore? Her clothes not torn or in disarray? Without feeling degraded? Without being upset in anyway?

Two times she has claimed rape.

Makes absolutely no sense.

Furthermore Jen, I'm going through a hard time at the moment personally, and anything that has been done to me, I've reported it to the Police to cover myself, and nothing as serious as what 'Cilla has claimed twice (the rape) has happened, yet she claims it, when it suits her? How long did it take her each time, to share this little gem of information, perhaps just in general conversation with another? Wouldn't you be going to the Police, or those whom are closest to, saying "OMG I was raped!"?

'Cilla's story doesn't make sense to me. I doubt that Grant would have been standing, little alone, sitting at their table, if he raped Elvis' woman, either. Surely, everyone would agree on that point!

The truth does show itself, eventually.

Dunno jess, this subject is a rough for me and l'am not the one who can anwers the questions, but l will tell you this that even in the 80's some people in high places didn't take rape to serious or even abuse.

[cameron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_B...aulieu_Presley

"However, Suzanne Finstad and the publisher of the book weren't sued. Finstad said she stands by the account of the affair in her book."

So, why wasn't Susanne Finstad and the publisher sued ?
Why was the book left on bookshelves to be sold?

I'd like to see that case and just what words were used .

[presley31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_B...aulieu_Presley

"However, Suzanne Finstad and the publisher of the book weren't sued. Finstad said she stands by the account of the affair in her book."

So, why wasn't Susanne Finstad and the publisher sued ?
Why was the book left on bookshelves to be sold?

I'd like to see that case and just what words were used .

Guess you can't sue what is true:hmm:

[ehollier]

Suzanne Finstad's main reliable sources for her book were one of the Stanley boys, Mike Edwards and Currie Grant. Finstad based quite a bit of her book on those sources. I don't recall any of the MM being part of those sources.

Priscilla did sue Grant for defamation, as been said below -- and won.

[cameron]

"The sources of this book are several people who knew Elvis Presley and Priscilla well, among them many friends from Priscilla's childhood and adolescence, Elvis's stepbrother Rick Stanley, Mike Edwards, Elvis's ex-girlfriends and the wives of the Memphis Mafia men."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Bride:_The_Untold_Story_of_Priscilla_Beaulie u_Presley

[john carpenter]

I tend to look over his behavior. I didn't know Elvis as a person just as a entertainer. He was under stress everyday trying to please people..the fans, Colonel Parker., the Memphis mafia. I read he was angry at Jerry Shilling for talking to Priscilla. He got angry alot for different reasons, as we all do. He supposedly made a comment about "the sweet inspirations saying "They smelled like catfish". But later as he calmed down and came down from his "meds" he was just an ordinary man that made mistakes.:king::cursing:

[cameron]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_B...aulieu_Presley

"However, Suzanne Finstad and the publisher of the book weren't sued. Finstad said she stands by the account of the affair in her book."

So, why wasn't Susanne Finstad and the publisher sued ?
Why was the book left on bookshelves to be sold?

I'd like to see that case and just what words were used .

I'd still like to read the exact case file.
http://scout.wisc.edu/Projects/PastProjects/net-news/98-08/98-08-26/0003.html

" Elvis Presley's widow Priscilla Presley won a defamation suit against
a man who claimed he had an affair with her before she married the
"King of Rock 'n' Roll" in 1967, court papers showed Tuesday. In an
Aug. 19 judgment, Judge Daniel Curry ordered the defendant Currie
Grant to pay Mrs. Presley $75,000 in damages. The judge had
previously dismissed a countersuit by Grant. Priscilla Presley, who
came to fame in her own right as an actress in the TV series "Dallas"
from 1983 to 1988, had sued Grant for defamation in Oct. 1996, saying
his claim of a sexual relationship was false. "

[utmom2008]

Again, did the MM actually see Elvis do what Priscilla claimed or are they just taking her word?
And I agree with Matt, even if Elvis was here to tell his side, again it would be his own slant on things as he perceived them but at least we would have two sides to the stories.

(y)(y)(y)(y)




Priscilla certainly likes stating "rape" as a last resort to get her own way....
'Cilla appears to be a woman scorned, to me.



Yes, claiming rape is disgusting, seems like she has a pattern going here, herself, to me?

It sounds very suspicious to me...:doh::doh:

[utmom2008]

Again, did the MM actually see Elvis do what Priscilla claimed or are they just taking her word?

if this Grant person raped Priscilla in Germany, not only why did Elvis keep him around but then also...how could she have been a virgin at their wedding then?

Great questions Diane.(y) This ties in to what I have been asking/saying all along. There are posters here that will go to their grave insisting that Prissy was a virgin on their wedding night. Why are they 100% sure about this??:hmm: It MUST be the truth....Pris said it was.;) I will be the first to say that I don't think she was...but I have absolutely NO WAY of proving it. On the other hand...they all have their proof....Prissy said she was. Somewhere along the way I missed the Special News Bulletin that said "Priscilla Presley is always 100% truthful, forthright and honest in every story that she tells".:supriced::supriced::supriced:

[Broussey]

really who doesn't get moody, i doubt that took it personally they knew what kinda pressure he was under,, Kathy is an amazing woman you want to keep listening to her speak

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I'd still like to read the exact case file.
http://scout.wisc.edu/Projects/PastProjects/net-news/98-08/98-08-26/0003.html

" Elvis Presley's widow Priscilla Presley won a defamation suit against
a man who claimed he had an affair with her before she married the
"King of Rock 'n' Roll" in 1967, court papers showed Tuesday. In an
Aug. 19 judgment, Judge Daniel Curry ordered the defendant Currie
Grant to pay Mrs. Presley $75,000 in damages. The judge had
previously dismissed a countersuit by Grant. Priscilla Presley, who
came to fame in her own right as an actress in the TV series "Dallas"
from 1983 to 1988, had sued Grant for defamation in Oct. 1996, saying
his claim of a sexual relationship was false. "

Grrrrr it makes me so mad when I see that word in conjunction with Priscilla.... She was NOT his widow and anyone starting a statement with it in have already got their facts wrong, if that is the case what else in that statement is wrong :hmm:

[utmom2008]

Grrrrr it makes me so mad when I see that word in conjunction with Priscilla.... She was NOT his widow and anyone starting a statement with it in have already got their facts wrong, if that is the case what else in that statement is wrong :hmm:


I completely agree with you JJ. It makes me even madder when she does nothing to correct it. She sat there and let Larry King call her that more than once....:mad:(n)

[Unchained Melody]

I completely agree with you JJ. It makes me even madder when she does nothing to correct it. She sat there and let Larry King call her that more than once....:mad:(n)

Of course she isn't going to correct it. That is what gets her recognition.

[Genie]

Stick to your beliefs !
You don't owe anyone anything ,IMO. (y)



:hmm::hmm: Yes, that just can't go ignored...I'm wondering if you picked Elvis' Dog's name for any particular reasoning? Such as might you be "Dog" from the old AEK which folded like a deck of cards....:lmfao:
I believe, and I stick by everything I know that is true.
I believe in God, Jesus, Elvis, and nothing written or said by the MM.
To each his own.. The truth is staring you right in the face....or in your case "Getlo" in the snout?
Whatever,

[Unchained Melody]

:hmm::hmm: Yes, that just can't go ignored...I'm wondering if you picked Elvis' Dog's name for any particular reasoning? Such as might you be "Dog" from the old AEK which folded like a deck of cards....:lmfao:
I believe, and I stick by everything I know that is true.
I believe in God, Jesus, Elvis, and nothing written or said by the MM.
To each his own.. The truth is staring you right in the face....or in your case "Getlo" in the snout?
Whatever,

I think I can see what is going on here.

WOW what some people will do:lol:. that's all from me;)

[Donut]

Another point which has come up for me because of another thread, if this Grant person raped Priscilla in Germany, not only why did Elvis keep him around but then also...how could she have been a virgin at their wedding then?
Diane

Oh yeah, I remeber that thread. jak and I had fun that day posting in it.

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15269&d=1164053839


http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15238&d=1163971777

[cameron]

Grrrrr it makes me so mad when I see that word in conjunction with Priscilla.... She was NOT his widow and anyone starting a statement with it in have already got their facts wrong, if that is the case what else in that statement is wrong :hmm:


For once, I agree with you . She's not his widow and never has been.
I've seen that in many articles.
I've no idea if Child Bride is true. I can only say---it shocked me much more than EWH . ;) I had a hard time getting through it.

IF I cared enough; I'd try to run that court case down.
It's all in the "wording" IMO.
IF Currie was sued; why not Finstead , the publisher and all that contributed to this book? :hmm:

[Diane]

Yes Donut, I remember that too.:)

I'm just very skeptical about what I hear and read anymore. Somewhere, either on a very old thread here or written in a book, there was mention that girls that wanted to meet Elvis had to sleep with one of the MM first. Maybe that was in Child Bride too. If true, I can't feel good about them as they certainly used their relationship with Elvis for just everything didn't they? And shame on the girls who agreed....Elvis certainly would not have respected them nor taken them seriously knowing that, or did he know about this?

Since we're digging out all the dirt, might as well cover this too.

Diane

[presley31]

Yes Donut, I remember that too.:)

I'm just very skeptical about what I hear and read anymore. Somewhere, either on a very old thread here or written in a book, there was mention that girls that wanted to meet Elvis had to sleep with one of the MM first. Maybe that was in Child Bride too. If true, I can't feel good about them as they certainly used their relationship with Elvis for just everything didn't they? And shame on the girls who agreed....Elvis certainly would not have respected them nor taken them seriously knowing that, or did he know about this?

Since we're digging out all the dirt, might as well cover this too.

Diane

Never heard that before but thats really disgusting you need to sleep or do other things with the boys before getting with elvis, thats just low in my books and l bet elvis didn't have a clue that was happening.

[Donut]

Yes Donut, I remember that too.:)

I'm just very skeptical about what I hear and read anymore. Somewhere, either on a very old thread here or written in a book, there was mention that girls that wanted to meet Elvis had to sleep with one of the MM first. Maybe that was in Child Bride too. If true, I can't feel good about them as they certainly used their relationship with Elvis for just everything didn't they? And shame on the girls who agreed....Elvis certainly would not have respected them nor taken them seriously knowing that, or did he know about this?

Since we're digging out all the dirt, might as well cover this too.

Diane


I can´t remember that but doesn´t surprise me in the least... there´s all kind of people on this old world.

[mistymorning]

When reading such books we should consider that These so called friends and in some cases family members really should keep somethings as they were meant to be-private-whether they are true or not.And I'm sure in many cases untrue! what kind of family members or friends can you call them to betray their friend who is not around any longer to defend himself. they had benefited from elvis in many ways and they still benefit by spreading fiction or non fiction !
We can never tell whether half of what they say is true any way.Even when they say they were "there" ! many things have been written about elvis which has been discredited by others who were also there !
elvis was surrounded by people that were just scumbags and users, then it is not easy to judge between fiction or non fiction. Yes elvis was/is a mega star but that doesn't mean that he wasn't human either , robot or god or something !and he had the share of his shortcomings and problems as all of us have !
It's really disrespectful to hear or read what some of MM say! We know that elvis was a private person and he would have hated all the books that show him in a bad way or anything else ! and we should respect the opinion of the man that we admire his music and personality ! It's very inhuman to make money off the man hat they call their friend !
But I just admire elvis as an artist and human being , my love and respect for elvis is always held in high regard , no matter what !

[presley31]

Anybody noticed this story isn't the one that been in the books for years

"I introduced Priscilla to him in Weisbaden," when Elvis was in the Army in Germany, Lamar says. "She was 14 -- she was beautiful. And I had to face her mother and father when I brought her home from a date with Elvis!"

source: http://www.armyarcherd.com/2008/04/how-priscilla-d.html

[cameron]

Anybody noticed this story isn't the one that been in the books for years

"I introduced Priscilla to him in Weisbaden," when Elvis was in the Army in Germany, Lamar says. "She was 14 -- she was beautiful. And I had to face her mother and father when I brought her home from a date with Elvis!"

source: http://www.armyarcherd.com/2008/04/how-priscilla-d.html

Great, Jen !! How can you not take all this in and see how the stories are written to make the "teller" look more important than they really were ? :doh: :lol:

[presley31]

Memphis Mafia

Kathy Westmoreland seemed to get on reasonably well with the Memphis Mafia. Red West was on hand at one time to save Kathy from being dragged away by a crazy fan. But she was the scapegoat it the wives rang and a female answered the phone. Their excuse was "It's just Kathy" and Kathy had to play along with that.

The Memphis Mafia apparently received about two cars a year, houses, and other perks. When they had to work while on tour, they did so with a lot of grumbling. They were jealous of anyone close to Elvis and jealous of one another.

Kathy thought that the Memphis Mafia could also be spiteful at times. When Kathy was friendly with Lisa Marie, they told Elvis that Kathy was trying to get to him through Lisa, after which Lisa was told to have no further contact with Kathy. Kathy thought that this was particularly hard on Lisa, who seemed to be a lonely child. As stated, Kathy was not interested in marriage to Elvis.

The guys expressed impatience at Elvis's interest in various metaphysical topics and would leave the room saying "Not more of this shit!" Kathy considered the book "Elvis What Happened" by Sonny West, Red West and David Hebler contained many half-truths. She was of the opinion that, although Red was genuinely concerned about Elvis's health, he had no understanding of why Elvis was moody and over-medicating himself.

Loyalty test

At one point, Elvis staged a gun scare with blank bullets. It was JD Sumner who threw himself over Elvis while the bodyguards hit the floor and protected themselves first. Whether this was a test of their loyalty or just a practical joke, Elvis took serious note of their reactions.


Source:http://www.elvisinfonet.com/bookreview_susan_westmoreland.html

[Donut]

Memphis Mafia


At one point, Elvis staged a gun scare with blank bullets. It was JD Sumner who threw himself over Elvis while the bodyguards hit the floor and protected themselves first. Whether this was a test of their loyalty or just a practical joke, Elvis took serious note of their reactions.


Source:http://www.elvisinfonet.com/bookreview_susan_westmoreland.html

Correct me if I´m wrong but I think the MM were aware of the joke Elvis was playing on the band, they were all in it.

[Genie]

I think I can see what is going on here.

WOW what some people will do:lol:. that's all from me;)

I'm not trying to cause any problem, and I'm not new...certainly not new to any subject ever written or spoken about the King.
You are entitiled to your opinion also. But, nothing is going on. I also was so sick to death of the hate on AEK near the end there, I could have taken out my own gun and shot everyone..(that doesn't work online) so that would be equal to Elvis; shooting out a TV set right?:lmfao:

You wont be seeing much of me here, have a lot of things that need my attention..explaining my position or proving my connection isn't one of them..did that, been there and 5 years was too many out of my life to defend someone who needs no defending. Elvis!

[Getlo]

I'm just an insignificant nobody.

Uh-huh.


:hmm::hmm: Yes, that just can't go ignored...I'm wondering if you picked Elvis' Dog's name for any particular reasoning? Such as might you be "Dog" from the old AEK which folded like a deck of cards....:lmfao:

Is that the message board with Marty Lacker? I do not post on any public Elvis forum except this one. I chose Getlo for no real reason.


I believe, and I stick by everything I know that is true.

As well you should.


I believe in God, Jesus, Elvis, and nothing written or said by the MM.

Good luck with that, although it does contradict your previous statement above.


You wont be seeing much of me here

I'm cool with that. Until next time then ...

[Getlo]

I've always wondered if the name droppers wanted to give information ---
or just make themselves look important. :hmm:
The ones I've talked to never wanted their "names dropped." ;) :P

Ah yes, name dropping (not that any names were even mentioned, of course ...)

Almost as bad as someone asking us to believe they're actually related to Elvis without offering one scintilla of proof.


List three things you think are "bizarre", ie untrue, that have been said of Elvis over the years.

Still waiting, btw.