Elvis' wedding

[Unchained Melody]

Why wasnt Elvis close friends like Red West invited to the wedding.:hmm:

[ehollier]

The official story was that Col. Parker was person responsible for who was at the ceremony and who was not. There were 2 best men (Joe E. and Marty Lacker) and those were the only 2 of the MM who attended the certemony b/c there wasn't enough room for everyone. They were all invited to the reception which was held after but Red was so upset he didn't go.

[Unchained Melody]

I know Red West was upset. If you watch Elvis The Movie from '79 you get that !

[Diane]

I'm not a fan of the MM but I do feel that it was mean of the Colonel to leave Red and Sonny out of the wedding. It really wasn't up to him to choose who would attend and who wouldn't. It was Elvis and Priscilla's wedding, not his.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Your right Diane.

I think Elvis should have been concerned enough to check and make sure his closest friends were at the wedding. But from the stories we have heard it was so hectic in trying to keep the wedding a secret I guess we didnt have time :supriced:

[Diane]

You're right as well but I'm still not convinced that the Colonel made it clear to Elvis what was happening. I see him as a control freak and very manipulating.

If he did tell Elvis you can be sure he said things in such a way that Elvis didn't feel he had much choice....I don't think he ever did with that man and should have replaced him after he got out of the army.

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

Agreed. Elvis would hardly ever speak out against the Colonel.

But he sure did on Closing Night August 1973 In Las Vegas..when he fired Colonel...but he came back :angry:

[mistymorning]

Did Elvis really fire Colonel ?!! what was the situation and the reason for it ? please explain more if you can , thanx:notworthy

[utmom2008]

The official story was that Col. Parker was person responsible for who was at the ceremony and who was not.

If you stop and really think about this...it speaks volumes. Why in the world could Elvis and Pris not invite who they wanted to? I imagine that Pris was so tickled to get him that she didn't care one way or the other who was invited. She was just glad to be there herself!:P It's always been a strange story....:hmm: I can't imagine my hubs boss telling us who would and would not be invited to our wedding.:blink::blink::blink:

[Diane]

I imagine Priscilla was quite happy with the wedding arrangements as Joe and Jerry were the only members of the MM that she liked.

Diane

[cameron]

I sure wouldn't take kindly to anyone planning my wedding !
However, I agree on Jerry Schilling. Nor sure that I would have included Marty Lacker though ! :blink:

[jak]

If you stop and really think about this...it speaks volumes. Why in the world could Elvis and Pris not invite who they wanted to? I imagine that Pris was so tickled to get him that she didn't care one way or the other who was invited. She was just glad to be there herself!:P It's always been a strange story....:hmm: I can't imagine my hubs boss telling us who would and would not be invited to our wedding.:blink::blink::blink:

Youre correct.No way Elvis wasnt in control of who was at the wedding.Those guys were constantly fighting for posistion in the group.From all accounts Elvis encouraged and enjoyed that.I think the answer lies within that somewhere.

[ehollier]

I imagine Priscilla was quite happy with the wedding arrangements as Joe and Jerry were the only members of the MM that she liked.

Diane

Jerry wasn't included in the immediate wedding party. Marty Lacker was the 2nd best man with Joe E. Priscilla never hid her dislike for Lacker. I really believe that Col. Parker was certainly in charge of the whole thing. All of the remaining members of the MM were invited to the reception, but Red choose not to attend b/c he was so angry for being excluded.

[Diane]

Thank you for telling me that. I hadn't realized Jerry wasn't in the immediate wedding party. I was surprised that Marty Lacker was though instead of Red and Sonny. Lamar wasn't included either was he? Can't remember all who was in the wedding photo.

Diane

[jak]

Thank you for telling me that. I hadn't realized Jerry wasn't in the immediate wedding party. I was surprised that Marty Lacker was though instead of Red and Sonny. Lamar wasn't included either was he? Can't remember all who was in the wedding photo.

Diane

The exclusion of Red was particulary noticeable.There is no way the Col would have left him out without the say so from Elvis.No chance.Red was probably being taught a lesson for something.

[Diane]

I don't know Jak...it's possible but you have to admit the Colonel had ways of saying things in such a way to manipulate getting his own way. He may very possibly said something to Elvis that made Elvis angry at Red to make him agree. You know it wouldn't be beyond the Colonel to do something like that. I'm sure in my mind that he could set them all against each other if he wanted to.

Diane

[Tommy]

Did Priscilla ever say anything about the planning of this wedding, I have never read anywhere that she made any comments. To bad because I'm sure she knows. What about her parents, I would have thought they would have wanted a church wedding.

[jak]

I don't know Jak...it's possible but you have to admit the Colonel had ways of saying things in such a way to manipulate getting his own way. He may very possibly said something to Elvis that made Elvis angry at Red to make him agree. You know it wouldn't be beyond the Colonel to do something like that. I'm sure in my mind that he could set them all against each other if he wanted to.

Diane

Diane
Elvis was a fiercely loyal person.I will always say that Red was his best friend no matter how things turned out.He was there from the very start.Before the fame and money.The Col was a meddler for sure,but only to a point.To me Red wasnt there because Elvis didnt want him there.Why would the Col care?He wouldnt deliberately tick Elvis off.Elvis could be very petty and manipulative with the group.There had to be some friction there over something.

[ehollier]

Thank you for telling me that. I hadn't realized Jerry wasn't in the immediate wedding party. I was surprised that Marty Lacker was though instead of Red and Sonny. Lamar wasn't included either was he? Can't remember all who was in the wedding photo.

Diane

Seems I read something recently that said that Lamar wasn't there. He was back in Nashville and found out about it on the news. I think Alan Fortas was at the ranch and didn't attend/get an invite either. It was ALLUDED to that b/c the wedding took place under such secrecy and was very improptu, the only ones there were immediate family and those of the MM who were also in California.

[Tommy]

I think Priscilla was pregnant (that was a rushed wedding)

[ehollier]

The Col. was very manipulative. I agree that Elvis wouldn't intentionally leave Red out of the wedding. From Red's recollection, there didn't seem to be any friction with he and Elvis. This was clearly the Col.'s party. I doubt he would have angered Elvis on this wedding day since it is believed that he had his reservations about getting married in the first place, but the Col. was no doubt in charge of the whole deal. I imagine that he only gave scant information on an a need to know basis.

[ehollier]

I think Priscilla was pregnant (that was a rushed wedding)

I don't know if I can agree with that. When it came to Priscilla, he had some unrelenting beliefs, and could get any other woman he wanted if that's what he was looking for. I don't think the she was pregnant, but she may have delievered early b/c she did take a pretty nasty fall off of her horse just weeks before Lisa Marie was born.

[jak]

The Col. was very manipulative. I agree that Elvis wouldn't intentionally leave Red out of the wedding. From Red's recollection, there didn't seem to be any friction with he and Elvis. This was clearly the Col.'s party. I doubt he would have angered Elvis on this wedding day since it is believed that he had his reservations about getting married in the first place, but the Col. was no doubt in charge of the whole deal. I imagine that he only gave scant information on an a need to know basis.

The Col may have been in complete charge.However he would have asked Elvis to pick out certain people to be present.Especially the best man.Red would have been the logical choce.That had to be Elvis' choice.To not even include Red period was a huge insult.The Col didnt have a pair big enough to have even suggested that IMO.

[presley31]

The Surprising Truth Behind Elvis' Wedding
When ELVIS PRESLEY married PRISCILLA BEAULIEU, it wasn't exactly a wedding fit for a King. ET takes you behind the scenes of the new "Elvis" mini-series.

When ELVIS PRESLEY married PRISCILLA BEAULIEU, it wasn't exactly a wedding fit for a King. It was a small, intimate affair that took place in a hotel room to avoid the press. And the event was handled, as most things in Elvis' life were, by his manager, "COLONEL" TOM PARKER.


On May 8 and 11, CBS presents "Elvis," a mini-series based on the early years of the swivel-hipped singer's life, including his marriage to Priscilla. The two met when he was stationed in Germany and she was only 14 years old. When Elvis returned to the U.S., he missed her, so he convinced her parents to let her come to live with him until she was old enough to marry.


"It was almost like he wanted to tutor her on how to be Elvis Presley's wife when she was older," says JONATHAN RHYS MEYERS, who stars as The King. "And then he met ANN-MARGRET and she was equal to Elvis in every way. She was like a female Elvis Presley. So suddenly he found in Ann-Margret his passion, but he couldn't not marry Priscilla, so, I don't think it was ever going to be a happy marriage."


Also in the cast are CAMRYN MANHEIM as Elvis' mother GLADYS, ROBERT PATRICK as his father VERNON, ROSE McGOWAN as Ann-Margret and ANTONIA BERNATH as Priscilla.


"It's quite strange having a 14-year-old girl living in your house in Memphis, TN, putting her through high school and then not marrying her," Jonathan adds. "He wanted to marry her. Elvis never even kissed her until she was 18 years old."


Also according to the mini-series, Priscilla had dreamed of a large wedding with friends and family in attendance, so she was sorely disappointed that her big day wasn't as special as she had hoped. But she quickly learned that living with Elvis wasn't easy.


"It was a bit of a snappy wedding," says Antonia, who wears an identical replica of Priscilla's wedding gown in the movie. "It happened very quickly, so there wasn't much time to organize it. And from what I've read of Priscilla's feelings, she was upset by how small it was and kind of surprised. It seems like it was kind of a pattern where she was swept along with things, and didn't ever really have much of a say."


source: http://www.etonline.com/tv/2005/04/35011/index.html

[presley31]

http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/elvis_presley_priscilla_beaulieu.html

This tell the same thing that while elvis was filming clambake col paker was making wedding arrangements so by the looks of it it was col behind this wedding.

[SleepyJack]

I think the colonel saw it as an opportunity to create some divisions among the group.He made no secret that he wasn`t happy with all the people in Elvis` world at the time,and I think in his own manipulative way he thought this might get a few messages across without directly confronting anyone in person.I think Elvis could have made sure that all the people important to him would be there,unfortunately,as with so many times in his life,the colonel had his way in the end.

[Tony Trout]

Did Elvis really fire Colonel ?!! what was the situation and the reason for it ? please explain more if you can , thanx:notworthy


Elvis did, in fact, fire Colonel Parker after the September 3, 1973 show in Las Vegas, NV. Elvis basically 'tore into" Barron Hilton and the staff for firing Mario, Elvis's personal waiter. They got into a huge shouting match and Colonel demanded that Elvis pay him $2.5 million dollars to end the contract (which was bull because of the way that money was split up--Elvis didn't owe him nearly that much money). Harsh words flew back and forth and Colonel was gone---sadly, that didn't last. He took him back shortly thereafter.

[cameron]

Elvis and Priscilla were married in Las Vegas, Nev.
Parker arranged all of it, including inviting who he wanted !
Others were told there just wasn't enough room for everyone .
Elvis did NOT know until it was too late to do anything about it.
Then, they flew to Palm Springs and later to Memphis.
Google it; that info is everywhere ! ;)

[SleepyJack]

He could still have made sure that ALL his friends were there for his wedding!......even if the colonel had gone his usual way of organising things.It would be one of the important parts of any mans wedding,having his friends there.....and the bride!! I just wish Elvis had "kept his eye on the ball" a bit more....that was all I was trying to say.....it could have saved a lot of hassle.

[Diane]

Yup, I still have the tendency that the Colonel orchestrated the whole wedding for his own reasons. I don't think Elvis was given much time to think in the rush.

I have doubts as to whether the wedding was hurried through because Priscilla was pregnant. The dates don't add up. May to Feb. is nine months. She may have been a little early and that happens frequently. My mother's children were two weeks early, so were mine and my sister's. Just dumb genetic luck lol.

Also Jen, you posted an interesting article but I wouldn't believe anything coming from Jonathan Rhys Meyers. There is no way that Elvis didn't kiss Priscilla until she was eighteen....that isn't humanly possibly for two people who are supposedly seeing each other and in love, never mind living together.

Diane

[presley31]

Yup, I still have the tendency that the Colonel orchestrated the whole wedding for his own reasons. I don't think Elvis was given much time to think in the rush.

I have doubts as to whether the wedding was hurried through because Priscilla was pregnant. The dates don't add up. May to Feb. is nine months. She may have been a little early and that happens frequently. My mother's children were two weeks early, so were mine and my sister's.

Also Jen, you posted an interesting article but I wouldn't believe anything coming from Jonathan Rhys Meyers. There is no way that Elvis didn't kiss Priscilla until she was eighteen....that isn't humanly possibly for two people who are supposedly seeing each other and in love, never mind living together.

Diane

wouldn't believe anything that guy said either, but l do about the col taking control of the wedding. June and wanda jackson both say col got involved in there relationship so it doesn't suprize me one bit that the col would control the wedding like everything else in elvis life.

[ehollier]

He could still have made sure that ALL his friends were there for his wedding!......even if the colonel had gone his usual way of organising things.It would be one of the important parts of any mans wedding,having his friends there.....and the bride!! I just wish Elvis had "kept his eye on the ball" a bit more....that was all I was trying to say.....it could have saved a lot of hassle.

It is a bit strange, but history does tell us that Elvis didn't stand up to the Col. almost if Col. had some hypnotic hold over Elvis. Look at all of those stupid movies that Elvis did b/c the Col. was in charge. Look at the end of his life when he did all of those crazy tours without going to Europe or Asia or Australia b/c the Col. was in charge. As much as Elvis accomplished during his career, he didn't stand up to the Col, even when he got married.

[presley31]

Doesn't it make you wonder why the col have such a hold over elvis?? If that was my marriage, i would be making up my own mind about how l wanted it and etc.

[ehollier]

Doesn't it make you wonder why the col have such a hold over elvis?? If that was my marriage, i would be making up my own mind about how l wanted it and etc.

Yes, this is just another mystery surrounding the 'image' of Elvis Presley. If everything were black and white, would we all be here debating such issues of his life?? Probably not. But that supernatural hold that Col. Parker had over Elvis was quite powerful. For a man that needed to be in control of his 'guys', Elvis didn't exert enough control over the Col. It could be b/c of the way he was raised - always to respect his elders, etc., it has also been suggested that he thought of Col. Parker as some 'good luck charm' b/c the Col. had helped him obtain his first successes in the 50's, it could be that the drugs just inhibited him to the point that he didn't care, it could be his lack of education made him feel inferior to Col. Parker, or it could be that he just didn't have what it took to stand up to Col. Parker.

But, it is a mystery.

[Diane]

Not a whole lot Jen when you look at how Elvis was brought up to respect and listen to his elders. That's the way it was in those times. Of course it affected some kids more than others but Elvis was very indoctrinated in that way. So was I so I can understand it. I let others rule my life for most of my life and it was a rude awakening to realize that some didn't have my best interest at heart after all....that it was purely selfish.

I do think the Colonel was very exceptional in his capabilities of manipulation though, more so than most people. I also believe deep down that although he gave Elvis the fantastic career that Elvis dreamed of, he was the ultimate downfall of that poor innocent kid by setting him up in that kind of lifestyle.

I keep wishing Gladys had lived as she might have been a good buffer between Elvis and the Colonel and may have been able to temper situations a little.

Diane

[presley31]

Not a whole lot Jen when you look at how Elvis was brought up to respect and listen to his elders. That's the way it was in those times. Of course it affected some kids more than others but Elvis was very indoctrinated in that way. So was I so I can understand it. I let others rule my life for most of my life and it was a rude awakening to realize that some didn't have my best interest at heart after all....that it was purely selfish.

I do think the Colonel was very exceptional in his capabilities of manipulation though, more so than most people. I also believe deep down that although he gave Elvis the fantastic career that Elvis dreamed of, he was the ultimate downfall of that poor innocent kid by setting him up in that kind of lifestyle.

I keep wishing Gladys had lived as she might have been a good buffer between Elvis and the Colonel and may have been able to temper situations a little.

Diane

I kinda wish gladys let elvis fight his own battles so he would of been stronger when dealing with people like the col.

[Diane]

Parents didn't do much of that in those days then Jen...they wanted control but yes it would have been better for Elvis to learn how to fend better for himself.

Now kids practically have to bring themselves up...again....too far the other way.

Diane

[presley31]

Parents didn't do much of that in those days then Jen...they wanted control but yes it would have been better for Elvis to learn how to fend better for himself.

Now kids practically have to bring themselves up...again....too far the other way.

Diane

Yes that is so true diane, its such a shame parents don`t do there job like they did years ago. My gramma was a hard lady and she always taught me and my brother, that to survive in this world you need to stand on your own two feet and stand up and never let anybody walk all over you, but in elvis case he never had to deal with the things that was said about him cause his mom and friends all hid that from him and the boys were always sticking up for elvis so he never really learned to say thats enough and stay how he really felt and stood by it.

[jak]

If Elvis was so weak he couldnt even be allowed to pick his best man at his own wedding,he deserved everything Parker did to him.I cringe at the thought of Elvis being such a wuss.I dont believe it for a second.Elvis was not a child people.He was a grown man for christ's sake.He wasnt a mindless zombie.He didnt suffer from a severe head trauma that I know of.Please dont make him sound so helpless.Elvis was the "MAN"

[Diane]

No no Jak, that didn't make him a wuss. It was just lifelong habit and probably as you said quite a while back that there was a lot of decisions Elvis didn't want to bother with but again, because he really never had to.

I'm sure there were quite a few things that were said and done that Elvis reared up about and said "no". The wedding plans just wasn't one of them or he was too rushed to think straight.

Diane

[ehollier]

If Elvis was so weak he couldnt even be allowed to pick his best man at his own wedding,he deserved everything Parker did to him.I cringe at the thought of Elvis being such a wuss.I dont believe it for a second.Elvis was not a child people.He was a grown man for christ's sake.He wasnt a mindless zombie.He didnt suffer from a severe head trauma that I know of.Please dont make him sound so helpless.Elvis was the "MAN"

I don't recall anyone saying that Elvis was a wuss, a child, zombie or helpless. He was every bit a man.

He just chose to handle Col. Parker with inaction for reasons we can only guess. It remains a mystery.

[utmom2008]

Did Priscilla ever say anything about the planning of this wedding, I have never read anywhere that she made any comments. To bad because I'm sure she knows. What about her parents, I would have thought they would have wanted a church wedding.

I agree Tommy. A big, old-fashioned Church wedding.;)


I think Priscilla was pregnant (that was a rushed wedding)

Again....I agree Tommy. Why does everyone question every decision and every event they have EVER read about Elvis and his life...but Priscilla being a virgin on their wedding day must be taken as gospel??:blink:;);) Who said she was a virgin?? Anyone other than Priscilla?;);):hmm:


I have doubts as to whether the wedding was hurried through because Priscilla was pregnant. The dates don't add up. May to Feb. is nine months.

Also Jen, you posted an interesting article but I wouldn't believe anything coming from Jonathan Rhys Meyers. There is no way that Elvis didn't kiss Priscilla until she was eighteen....that isn't humanly possibly for two people who are supposedly seeing each other and in love, never mind living together.

Diane

Diane...visit with Missy on this topic.;) Not only does she have the family connection...she herself used to work in an OB's office. There's much more to it than the 9 months. The non-kissing is a joke...again if we are to believe Priscilla. She tells of a whole lot more than kissing.:supriced::supriced:

When it came to Priscilla, he had some unrelenting beliefs, and could get any other woman he wanted if that's what he was looking for. I don't think the she was pregnant, but she may have delievered early b/c she did take a pretty nasty fall off of her horse just weeks before Lisa Marie was born.
Again....Missy, where are you?? Priscilla says he had some unrelenting beliefs when it came to Priscilla. That being the case...I guess he never had sex with Linda or Ginger either.;);)

[presley31]

I agree Tommy. A big, old-fashioned Church wedding.;)



Again....I agree Tommy. Why does everyone question every decision and every event they have EVER read about Elvis and his life...but Priscilla being a virgin on their wedding day must be taken as gospel??:blink:;);) Who said she was a virgin?? Anyone other than Priscilla?;);):hmm:


Diane...visit with Missy on this topic.;) Not only does she have the family connection...she herself used to work in an OB's office. There's much more to it than the 9 months. The non-kissing is a joke...again if we are to believe Priscilla. She tells of a whole lot more than kissing.:supriced::supriced:

Again....Missy, where are you?? Priscilla says he had some unrelenting beliefs when it came to Priscilla. That being the case...I guess he never had sex with Linda or Ginger either.;);)

One thing to keep in mind he didn't marry the girls he slept with:hmm: Elvis wanted his Wife to be a virgin like the old days and he wanted a marriage like his parents.

[ehollier]

Again....I agree Tommy. Why does everyone question every decision and every event they have EVER read about Elvis and his life...but Priscilla being a virgin on their wedding day must be taken as gospel??:blink:;);) Who said she was a virgin?? Anyone other than Priscilla?;);):hmm:

Again....Missy, where are you?? Priscilla says he had some unrelenting beliefs when it came to Priscilla. That being the case...I guess he never had sex with Linda or Ginger either.;);)

Actually Rosanne, I have never read anything by anyone else from Elvis' circle that has said anything to the contrary with the exception of the book by Suzanne Finstead, which is not very credible. I find it difficult to believe that after living under such intimate conditions for so long, Priscilla would remain a virgin. I'm sure that you can (but I can't figure it out) see what Priscilla would have to gain by perpetuating this myth.

[presley31]

Actually Rosanne, I have never read anything by anyone else from Elvis' circle that has said anything to the contrary with the exception of the book by Suzanne Finstead, which is not very credible. I find it difficult to believe that after living under such intimate conditions for so long, Priscilla would remain a virgin. I'm sure that you can (but I can't figure it out) see what Priscilla would have to gain by perpetuating this myth.

Thats true the only book l seen that stuff came from is from childbride, which l take with a gran of salt.

[utmom2008]

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One thing to keep in mind he didn't marry the girls he slept with:hmm: Elvis wanted his Wife to be a virgin like the old days and he wanted a marriage like his parents.

He wouldn't have married Priscilla either if Paul B. had not placed a call to the Colonel. ;) Poor Ginger...I guess he wasn't going to marry her either.;) As for a marriage like his parents...that is questionable. Elvis knew his daddy was a drinker and a womanizer. Gladys herself waited up for him one night and cold-cocked him with a rolling pin when Vernon walked through the door.:supriced:

[presley31]

He wouldn't have married Priscilla either if Paul B. had not placed a call to the Colonel. ;) Poor Ginger...I guess he wasn't going to marry her either.;) As for a marriage like his parents...that is questionable. Elvis knew his daddy was a drinker and a womanizer. Gladys herself waited up for him one night and cold-cocked him with a rolling pin when Vernon walked through the door.:supriced:

Its like a pattern with elvis and his girlsfriends, Elvis never slept with anita or june either and he wanted to marry them both but the col got in the way like he did with the wedding and l have my doubts about paul B, l think it was the col saying you either marry her or get her the heck out.

[ehollier]

He wouldn't have married Priscilla either if Paul B. had not placed a call to the Col.

Priscilla's father may have called the Col. because they, no doubt, were led to believe that Elvis and Priscilla would one day marry, but I don't believe that Elvis was forced into marrying Priscilla. He may have been told by the Col. that the time was right for him to give up his bachelor status, but I don't think anyone forced Elvis to marry Priscilla. If he didn't want to marry her, he could have broken the relationship off.

One has to wonder, (LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THE COL. MADE ELVIS MARRY PRISCILLA), where was the Col. when Priscilla walked out and later divorced Elvis. If the Col. welded that much power in Elvis life forcing him to marry, it would seem that he would have had more control (or at least been consulted) before Priscilla left.

[presley31]

Priscilla's father may have called the Col. because they, no doubt, were led to believe that Elvis and Priscilla would one day marry, but I don't believe that Elvis was forced into marrying Priscilla. He may have been told by the Col. that the time was right for him to give up his bachelor status, but I don't think anyone forced Elvis to marry Priscilla. If he didn't want to marry her, he could have broken the relationship off.

One has to wonder, (LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THE COL. MADE ELVIS MARRY PRISCILLA), where was the Col. when Priscilla walked out and later divorced Elvis. If the Col. welded that much power in Elvis life forcing him to marry, it would seem that he would have had more control (or at least been consulted) before Priscilla left.

good points Ehollier. I think it was up to elvis and elvis alone to marry her and another point Ann M said was elvis went though awhole lot to bring pris to the states which is ture and he wouldn't of done that if he wasn't thinking of marrying her at all.

[utmom2008]

Actually Rosanne, I have never read anything by anyone else from Elvis' circle that has said anything to the contrary with the exception of the book by Suzanne Finstead, which is not very credible. I find it difficult to believe that after living under such intimate conditions for so long, Priscilla would remain a virgin. I'm sure that you can (but I can't figure it out) see what Priscilla would have to gain by perpetuating this myth.


Thats true the only book l seen that stuff came from is from childbride, which l take with a gran of salt.

So all of Elvis' circle of friends were in the bedroom every night watching what was going on????:lol:

[ehollier]

good points Ehollier. I think it was up to elvis and elvis alone to marry her and another point Ann M said was elvis went though awhole lot to bring pris to the states which is ture and he wouldn't of done that if he wasn't thinking of marrying her at all.

I have never heard the point that Ann Margaret makes. But I imagine that to bring Priscilla to the US did take some effort on his part. I can't imagine that happening if he didn't have intentions to marry her.

[presley31]

So all of Elvis' circle of friends were in the bedroom every night watching what was going on????:lol:

They would if they could:doh:

[utmom2008]

One has to wonder, (LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THE COL. MADE ELVIS MARRY PRISCILLA), where was the Col. when Priscilla walked out and later divorced Elvis. If the Col. welded that much power in Elvis life forcing him to marry, it would seem that he would have had more control (or at least been consulted) before Priscilla left.

At that point it no longer mattered....Elvis had done what was expected of him and made an honest woman out of her.:blink::blink:

[presley31]

I have never heard the point that Ann Margaret makes. But I imagine that to bring Priscilla to the US did take some effort on his part. I can't imagine that happening if he didn't have intentions to marry her.


http://www.elvispresleynews.com/AnnMargret.html

funny thing about ann defending priscilla is cause Dee said elvis was forced to marry priscilla

you will see what ann says in this link.

[utmom2008]

They would if they could:doh:

No doubt about that, but I think IF is the operative word here.;);):lol:

[ehollier]

So all of Elvis' circle of friends were in the bedroom every night watching what was going on????:lol:

I'm sure they would if they were allowed; however, I still don't know what Priscilla would gain by perpetuating this myth of chasity if it wasn't true.

[presley31]

I'm sure they would if they were allowed; however, I still don't know what Priscilla would gain by perpetuating this myth of chasity if it wasn't true.

priscilla wouldn't grain nothing if anything it blows elvis myth to peieces about him wanting a virgin bride.

[ehollier]

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/AnnMargret.html

funny thing about ann defending priscilla is cause Dee said elvis was forced to marry priscilla

you will see what ann says in this link.

Thanks for the link. I've never read anything about Dee, either, except what Peter Guarlnick says in his 2 volume biography. Apparently Peter didn't find any evidence to support her claim b/c he never mentions any of Dee's allegations.

[presley31]

Thanks for the link. I've never read anything about Dee, either, except what Peter Guarlnick says in his 2 volume biography. Apparently Peter didn't find any evidence to support her claim b/c he never mentions any of Dee's allegations.

Dee should be locked away with all the horrible things she said about elvis:angry:

[Tony Trout]

It is a bit strange, but history does tell us that Elvis didn't stand up to the Col. almost if Col. had some hypnotic hold over Elvis. Look at all of those stupid movies that Elvis did b/c the Col. was in charge. Look at the end of his life when he did all of those crazy tours without going to Europe or Asia or Australia b/c the Col. was in charge. As much as Elvis accomplished during his career, he didn't stand up to the Col, even when he got married.



Actually, there is one incident where Elvis did stand up to the Colonel and it was during the Memphis sessions in '69 in regards to the recording of one of the songs (can't remember which one). I think he basically said, "I appreciate what you're trying to do but leave the session to me and Felton and Chips!".

[ehollier]

Actually, there is one incident where Elvis did stand up to the Colonel and it was during the Memphis sessions in '69 in regards to the recording of one of the songs (can't remember which one). I think he basically said, "I appreciate what you're trying to do but leave the session to me and Felton and Chips!".

Yep, Tony I am aware that this is one of the rare times that Elvis stood up to the Col. The song was Suspicious Minds, b/c RCA knew that Chips Moman owned all of the recording rights and wouldn't give them up, and Elvis was finally fed up with all of the bickering and said "Get everyone out!"

[Diane]

That is one area where Elvis seemed to be very strong minded.....his music. He knew how he wanted to sound and he knew what he wanted the musicians to do and in the early days he darn near wore them out getting what he wanted.

But as for a lot of other issues in his life, it's called "conditioning" by his upbringing and a hard thing to break out of.

Diane

[presley31]

One thing l will say Thank godness elvis never let anybody stand in the way with his music!!!!

[jak]

I don't recall anyone saying that Elvis was a wuss, a child, zombie or helpless. He was every bit a man.

He just chose to handle Col. Parker with inaction for reasons we can only guess. It remains a mystery.

To me if Elvis stood idly bye shuffling his feet while he railroaded by the Col he was a wuss.Please dont get me wrong.I dont think he was.When it comes to the wedding I have to believe he had input as to best man etc.

[presley31]

To me if Elvis stood idly bye shuffling his feet while he railroaded by the Col he was a wuss.Please dont get me wrong.I dont think he was.When it comes to the wedding I have to believe he had input as to best man etc.

If that was true red would of been there.

[presley31]

According to Billy smith it was the col doing that the boys weren't invited to the weddding cause it was small, but marty said it was big enough and that col invited who he wanted and Joe knew all this before everyone.

Information came from Revelations from the mm.

[MissyM]

It was Pricilla herself getting impatient waiting for the wedding. One of the guys just married and she was jealous. Fearing the engagment was just a way to pacify her she told Elvis she was pregnant. Well there goes the stupid virgin story! But she wasn't. Then everyone waited for the baby to be born on it's due date but she was a no show. So everyone then knew she lied. Oldest trick in the book. Pregnancy is not 9 months. It is measured in days. Which sometimes can end up about months. Lisa was full term. So the date of conception would have been about May 11. She would have been born Jan 11, if she conceived on the wedding nite.
After Cilla turned 18 and graduated that is most likely when they started having full on sex. She said they celebrated by staying holed up in their room for days. Daa what do you think they were doing? Elvis feared statutory rape charges so he would avoid that by them waiting. Cilla just moves the time lines of her stories. It was pattern with Elvis to have a sexual marathon when he first started having sex with women. (as documented by Linda)
When the baby did not arrive on time Elvis felt betrayed.That is why there was no sex for 3 months. And the simple adjustment of her now being a mother.

[presley31]

It was Pricilla herself getting impatient waiting for the wedding. One of the guys just married and she was jealous. Fearing the engagment was just a way to pacify her she told Elvis she was pregnant. Well there goes the stupid virgin story! But she wasn't. Then everyone waited for the baby to be born on it's due date but she was a no show. So everyone then knew she lied. Oldest trick in the book. Pregnancy is not 9 months. It is measured in days. Which sometimes can end up about months. Lisa was full term. So the date of conception would have been about May 11. She would have been born Jan 11, if she conceived on the wedding nite.
After Cilla turned 18 and graduated that is most likely when they started having full on sex. She said they celebrated by staying holed up in their room for days. Daa what do you think they were doing? Elvis feared statutory rape charges so he would avoid that by them waiting. Cilla just moves the time lines of her stories. It was pattern with Elvis to have a sexual marathon when he first started having sex with women. (as documented by Linda)
When the baby did not arrive on time Elvis felt betrayed.That is why there was no sex for 3 months. And the simple adjustment of her now being a mother.

Sorry missy but everyone keeps saying it was the col that set it up. even says that in red and elvis converstaion togther and another thing l doubt very much priscilla trap elvis for godness sake she didn't want the child in the begining. According to lamer priscilla wasn't happy about the baby and she didn't want the baby that fast.
I understand where your coming back but the books say different. careless love and revelations.

[MissyM]

Yes, Col did set it up. There was no way Col. was going to have his meal ticket have his carreer ruined with scandal. And you think that her parents were going to let the cat out of the bag! Yes, Cilla dreamed of a big wedding but she got tired of waiting for it.
But there are others who know and many who will never tell it. Believe what ever you want.

Cilla says they waited till their wedding nite. Hog wash, They waited till it was legal. She twists timeline with stories to suit.

[presley31]

Yes, Col did set it up. There was no way Col. was going to have his meal ticket have his carreer ruined with scandal. And you think that her parents were going to let the cat out of the bag! Yes, Cilla dreamed of a big wedding but she got tired of waiting for it.
But there are others who know and many who will never tell it. Believe what ever you want.

Cilla says they waited till their wedding nite. Hog wash, They waited till it was legal. She twists timeline with stories to suit.

From carless love:col said to charlie hodge that they could make money on wedding, so once again col had big doller sign in his eyes. As for there sex life well l doubt they had sex but did other stuff to pass the time and elvis got his rocks off elsewhere.

[MissyM]

Why would you think they didn't have sex. She had an affair with her dance instructor which she admitted to finally. Saving herself for marriage...ahhh I don't think so. I hope your source isn't Cilla because she has changed her story so many times, how could anyone believe her!

[presley31]

Why would you think they didn't have sex. She had an affair with her dance instructor which she admitted to finally. Saving herself for marriage...ahhh I don't think so. I hope your source isn't Cilla because she has changed her story so many times, how could anyone believe her!

its the books missy not hearsay and another thing elvis was messing around with nancy so they both had fooled around. Anita also stated she never had sex either with elvis or is she lying too?

[MissyM]

What book? Some say differently. Some choose to believe it and once upon a time hold up her story. Now that she admitted the affair, no one is saying differently or making corrections. You do remember when Elvis had her followed and the guys caught her with her dance instructor right. They never went into detail about what they saw, but she admitted it. So obviously she was not a virgin at marriage. (like she originally said) What about the part where Elvis kids her when riding a horse about she might ruin her virginity? Did you read that part.

[presley31]

What book? Some say differently. Some choose to believe it and once upon a time hold up her story. Now that she admitted the affair, no one is saying differently or making corrections. You do remember when Elvis had her followed and the guys caught her with her dance instructor right. They never went into detail about what they saw, but she admitted it. So obviously she was not a virgin at marriage. (like she originally said) What about the part where Elvis kids her when riding a horse about she might ruin her virginity? Did you read that part.

In the revelations elvis never knew about the dance teacher but he knew about mike stone:hmm:

Careless love and revelations from the memphis mafia.

[jak]

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If that was true red would of been there.

That's my point.I feel something had to be going on and Elvis didnt include him for a reason.The Col wouldnt cross Elvis on his wedding day and leave somebody like Red out.There had to be some advance notice of plans.Did Elvis and Pris get their clothes off the rack at Sears?The cake at Kroger's?There had to be some advance planning that would have allowed Elvis to be involved.

[presley31]

That's my point.I feel something had to be going on and Elvis didnt include him for a reason.The Col wouldnt cross Elvis on his wedding day and leave somebody like Red out.There had to be some advance notice of plans.Did Elvis and Pris get their clothes off the rack at Sears?The cake at Kroger's?There had to be some advance planning that would have allowed Elvis to be involved.

Something seems off jak cause joe knew all about the wedding before anybody else and the col was busy planing the wedding.:hmm: The sad part is none of the guys knew they weren't invited to the wedding till the day and thats when joe told them and red called joe everything under the sun.

[jak]

Something seems off jak cause joe knew all about the wedding before anybody else and the col was busy planing the wedding.:hmm: The sad part is none of the guys knew they weren't invited to the wedding till the day and thats when joe told them and red called joe everything under the sun.

Agreed.I just still think Elvis had something to do with Red being left out.Generally speaking the people around Elvis liked to keep him happy.A docile Elvis made life easier for everyone.I cant see anybody on a big day like that willing to incurr Elvis' wrath and leave Red out.I think only Elvis could have made that descion.

[ehollier]

What book? Some say differently. Some choose to believe it and once upon a time hold up her story. Now that she admitted the affair, no one is saying differently or making corrections. You do remember when Elvis had her followed and the guys caught her with her dance instructor right. They never went into detail about what they saw, but she admitted it. So obviously she was not a virgin at marriage. (like she originally said) What about the part where Elvis kids her when riding a horse about she might ruin her virginity? Did you read that part.

Didn't this thing with being followed happened after they were married - like when he was filming the Comback Special?? I realize your connection to the Elvis story, but what is the source of this information? Seems like if she faked being pregnant, she certainly would have taken precautions once they were married since she didn't want a baby in the first place.

[Tony Trout]

In the revelations elvis never knew about the dance teacher but he knew about mike stone:hmm:

Careless love and revelations from the memphis mafia.



I think I read somewhere that Elvis did know 'bout Priscilla's affair with her dance teacher.....

[presley31]

I think I read somewhere that Elvis did know 'bout Priscilla's affair with her dance teacher.....

See what l mean tony, in other places its told different, talk about confusing:hmm:

[MissyM]

Well, Elvis suspected it or he wouldn't have had her followed. And he knew she wasn't a virgin. The books are written in sequence, you can't take something from the beginning and just use that part. Besides does it ever occur to people that Elvis didn't always tell the truth? Of course he didn't. But I do feel he told different people different things. I don't feel he meant to harm anyone by it. It was just his way and sometimes people couldn't tell if he was serious when he told them something too.

[TotallyInsane]

I think I read somewhere that Elvis did know 'bout Priscilla's affair with her dance teacher.....

I'm sorry folks but you guys sound like Elvis got a phone call that morning and was told get on Frank Sinatra's plane and fly to Vegas cause you're getting married this morning. Don't ask any questions - the guests are there, the clothes are there - just get your rear end to Vegas!!

Sounds pretty logical to me!! Ummmm let's see, didn't Vernon fire Red and Sonny while Elvis flew off to California?? Wouldn't it be possible he again left the dirty work for someone else to handle cause he didn't want to tell Red he wasn't invited??? Maybe Red had spoken ill of Elvis marrying Priscilla and it ticked him off???????????? If Elvis wanted Red there - HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE!!!

And, IMO, Elvis had no choice but to marry Priscilla at some point since her parents had LET HER MOVE IN WITH HIM YEARS BEFORE!!! If he had tried to back out it would have been all over for him and his career!!

[ehollier]

Well, Elvis suspected it or he wouldn't have had her followed. And he knew she wasn't a virgin. The books are written in sequence, you can't take something from the beginning and just use that part. Besides does it ever occur to people that Elvis didn't always tell the truth? Of course he didn't. But I do feel he told different people different things. I don't feel he meant to harm anyone by it. It was just his way and sometimes people couldn't tell if he was serious when he told them something too.

It was my understanding that he wasn't the one who had her followed. But maybe I'm confused. This story of Priscilla being a virgin didn't just start recently. From the very first post-death biography, that has been one thing that has remained consistent. Even with the most vicious of revealing stories, that has been one of the constant ones. There are many from his immediate who don't like her and could have spilled the beans. I find it hard to believe that this is the ONE secret that has been kept all of these years.

[SweetCaroline]

It was Pricilla herself getting impatient waiting for the wedding. One of the guys just married and she was jealous. Fearing the engagment was just a way to pacify her she told Elvis she was pregnant. Well there goes the stupid virgin story! But she wasn't. Then everyone waited for the baby to be born on it's due date but she was a no show. So everyone then knew she lied. Oldest trick in the book. Pregnancy is not 9 months. It is measured in days. Which sometimes can end up about months. Lisa was full term. So the date of conception would have been about May 11. She would have been born Jan 11, if she conceived on the wedding nite.
After Cilla turned 18 and graduated that is most likely when they started having full on sex. She said they celebrated by staying holed up in their room for days. Daa what do you think they were doing? Elvis feared statutory rape charges so he would avoid that by them waiting. Cilla just moves the time lines of her stories. It was pattern with Elvis to have a sexual marathon when he first started having sex with women. (as documented by Linda)
When the baby did not arrive on time Elvis felt betrayed.That is why there was no sex for 3 months. And the simple adjustment of her now being a mother.

Your post sure has the ring of truth to my ears Missy.(y)(y)(y)

As for Elvis not inviting Red...here it is from Elvis' own mouth...from the tapes Red West SECRETLY did of his friend...

"Elvis: That wedding thing, ya know, that wedding thing. I had nothing to do with that. That was railroaded through, ah, I didn’t even know who was there. It was all in a little room bout the size of a bathroom with a Supreme Court Justice. It was in there, over and done so quick, I didn’t even realize I was married.

Red: Oh, yeah, your talking about your wedding...

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: Right, well, ya know, you don’t think about these things, but at the time, it, it, ah, once again, it’s that old, I’ve been with you, and all the sudden I was held back, and told one, That I wasn’t supposed to come in.

Elvis: I ****** that up. I could see it, I could see it back then, but, see it wasn’t my doing.

Red: Right
Elvis: Wasn’t my doing.

Red: You know, I figured that was the Colonel and...

Elvis: It was a ramrod type thing. I had nothing to do with it... You know, All the sudden I was married."

The way I figure it.... Priscilla called her Daddy and whined.....Daddy called the Colonel....the Colonel and Daddy got on Elvis's case about the situation...Elvis was just "rowing with the flow" and let the Colonel put the wedding together... and in the rush Red was left out...It sure seems so by ELVIS' own words......"It was a ramrod type thing."

[ehollier]

I'm sorry folks but you guys sound like Elvis got a phone call that morning and was told get on Frank Sinatra's plane and fly to Vegas cause you're getting married this morning. Don't ask any questions - the guests are there, the clothes are there - just get your rear end to Vegas!!

This isn't the way it is supposed to happen???? lol......if it were that easy!!!!!!!!!! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

One has to wonder, (LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THE COL. MADE ELVIS MARRY PRISCILLA), where was the Col. when Priscilla walked out and later divorced Elvis. If the Col. welded that much power in Elvis life forcing him to marry, it would seem that he would have had more control (or at least been consulted) before Priscilla left.

Just because he was there to handle the press, the press conference, etc. doesn't mean Priscilla would have had to consult with him before leaving. I don't she consulted him before sleeping with him!!!

You have a daughter right? Picture this in your mind. A famous rock and roller wants your daughter to come live with him at the age of what 15 or 16??? He begs, he tells you she's the one for him, blah blah blah. She reaches 21 and she's still single living with the man!! Guess you're not ever gonna mention that to him when you're around him?

What kind of a parent lets their teenaged daughter go live with a rock star???? The kind that knows this would end up with lots of cash ONE WAY OR THE OTHER????? I think there's a name for that - isn't there????

[presley31]

I doubt very much anybody would stop there 18 year from living with elvis presley. Glad l wasn't pris or my parents would down crap creek without a puddle.

[ehollier]

One has to wonder, (LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT THE COL. MADE ELVIS MARRY PRISCILLA), where was the Col. when Priscilla walked out and later divorced Elvis. If the Col. welded that much power in Elvis life forcing him to marry, it would seem that he would have had more control (or at least been consulted) before Priscilla left.

Just because he was there to handle the press, the press conference, etc. doesn't mean Priscilla would have had to consult with him before leaving. I don't she consulted him before sleeping with him!!!

You have a daughter right? Picture this in your mind. A famous rock and roller wants your daughter to come live with him at the age of what 15 or 16??? He begs, he tells you she's the one for him, blah blah blah. She reaches 21 and she's still single living with the man!! Guess you're not ever gonna mention that to him when you're around him?

What kind of a parent lets their teenaged daughter go live with a rock star???? The kind that knows this would end up with lots of cash ONE WAY OR THE OTHER????? I think there's a name for that - isn't there????

I don't doubt that her parents weren't wondering when they would marry since they had been lead to believe that they would. I just have a hard time believing that Elvis was FORCED to marry Priscilla.

As far as my daughter being allowed to do what Priscilla did, I just don't see how that situation could happen. Her parents said he gave them money. I am sure that he did b/c he was trying to get her here, but I don't think he would have tried so hard if he really didn't want to marry her.

[MissyM]

Then you haven't read enough books E-hollier, because no that has not been consistant through out time. Never was not even by Elvis who told people that "he entered" Cilla when they were in Germany.

[TotallyInsane]

You saying that situation wouldn't happen cause you wouldn't let it happen or no rock star would want your daughter?

[ehollier]

Then you haven't read enough books E-hollier, because no that has not been consistant through out time. Never was not even by Elvis who told people that "he entered" Cilla when they were in Germany.

Missy, I've read enough books to know that stories about Elvis' life aren't always consistent. I realize that their are people that say things that aren't true to benefit themselves. If they were, why would we be having any of these debates about things from his life. However, this story of Priscilla being pregnant seems like the one story that seems not to have escaped everyone's lips. Don't you think they could reap lots of hell on Priscilla if just one of the MM comes forward with this story about a pregnancy that wasn't. In your earlier post, you said that everyone knew. Well, they have really kept their lips sealed on this juicy piece of knowledge.

[ehollier]

You saying that situation wouldn't happen cause you wouldn't let it happen or no rock star would want your daughter?

Well, first my daughter is only 8 so it ain't happening at my house. But I just can't fathom such a situation that her parents were in when Elvis asked them to let Priscilla come to live in Memphis. I just can't fathom that, from a parents point of view, today.

[jak]

I'm sorry folks but you guys sound like Elvis got a phone call that morning and was told get on Frank Sinatra's plane and fly to Vegas cause you're getting married this morning. Don't ask any questions - the guests are there, the clothes are there - just get your rear end to Vegas!!

Sounds pretty logical to me!! Ummmm let's see, didn't Vernon fire Red and Sonny while Elvis flew off to California?? Wouldn't it be possible he again left the dirty work for someone else to handle cause he didn't want to tell Red he wasn't invited??? Maybe Red had spoken ill of Elvis marrying Priscilla and it ticked him off???????????? If Elvis wanted Red there - HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE!!!

And, IMO, Elvis had no choice but to marry Priscilla at some point since her parents had LET HER MOVE IN WITH HIM YEARS BEFORE!!! If he had tried to back out it would have been all over for him and his career!!

Thank you so much for this post.Great minds think alike;)

[presley31]

well l guess its a good thing that priscilla got her own way or she might of been swiming with the ducks:lol:

BTW jak its nice to see you on these threads again.

[TotallyInsane]

well l guess its a good thing that priscilla got her own way or she might of been swiming with the ducks:lol:

BTW jak its nice to see you on these threads again.


From what I can tell, her and The Peabody Ducks have it made in the shade!!!!

[Getlo]

It was Pricilla herself getting impatient waiting for the wedding. One of the guys just married and she was jealous. Fearing the engagment was just a way to pacify her she told Elvis she was pregnant. Well there goes the stupid virgin story! But she wasn't. Pregnancy is not 9 months. It is measured in days.

Careful, Missy ... your theory simply doesn't stand up to scientific fact. And unless you have inside information about Cilla's menstrual cycles, then your accusation is erroneous.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Baby_due_date?OpenDocument

Length of gestation
The average length of human gestation is 280 days, or 40 weeks, from the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period. The medical term for the due date is estimated date of confinement (EDC). However, only about four per cent of women actually give birth on their EDC. There are many online pregnancy calculators (see Further information) that can tell you when your baby is due, if you type in the date of the first day of your last period.

A simple method to calculate the due date is to add seven days to the date of the first day of your last period, then add nine months. For example, if the first day of your last period was February 1, add seven days (February 8) then add nine months, for a due date of November 8.

There were exactly 276 days between May 1st, 1967 and February 1st, 1968.

http://timeanddate.com/

The idea that Cilla was a virgin on her wedding night stands up because of a) the facts presented above and b) (less provable) Elvis' attitude about the woman who was to bear his child. Elvis wanted to marry a virgin. I believe Cilla when she says that - although they did everything but the actual deed before May 1st, 1967 - she was, technically and in all other ways, a virgin.

[jak]

well l guess its a good thing that priscilla got her own way or she might of been swiming with the ducks:lol:

BTW jak its nice to see you on these threads again.

Thank you.It's good to be back on such lively discussions.

BTW I love the wolves.Very nice.

[SweetCaroline]

It was Pricilla herself getting impatient waiting for the wedding. One of the guys just married and she was jealous. Fearing the engagment was just a way to pacify her she told Elvis she was pregnant. Well there goes the stupid virgin story! But she wasn't. Then everyone waited for the baby to be born on it's due date but she was a no show. So everyone then knew she lied. Oldest trick in the book. Pregnancy is not 9 months. It is measured in days. Which sometimes can end up about months. Lisa was full term. So the date of conception would have been about May 11. She would have been born Jan 11, if she conceived on the wedding nite.
After Cilla turned 18 and graduated that is most likely when they started having full on sex. She said they celebrated by staying holed up in their room for days. Daa what do you think they were doing? Elvis feared statutory rape charges so he would avoid that by them waiting. Cilla just moves the time lines of her stories. It was pattern with Elvis to have a sexual marathon when he first started having sex with women. (as documented by Linda)
When the baby did not arrive on time Elvis felt betrayed.That is why there was no sex for 3 months. And the simple adjustment of her now being a mother.

Missy, I am curious and hope you can speak about it .....is this the story you post..... the story that has been heard by and around the Smith family?

My other question is just thrown out there but not specific to you. WHY did Priscilla wear such a PREGNANT looking wedding dress do you guys think? :blink: Whenever she dressed up before that day...her clothes were always stylish and showed off her lovely petite figure...but that pregnant looking wedding dress always threw me...and I think it left many people scratching their heads as to WHY THAT DRESS over the years.

[Diane]

Carol, I think the "empire" waist line in dresses was in style then. I didn't think she looked pregnant in the dress but then she didn't gain much weight during her pregnancy so I don't feel competent to even guess whether she was or was not. I just have a feeling she wasn't but that doesn't help much does it?

Diane

[cameron]

Careful, Missy ... your theory simply doesn't stand up to scientific fact. And unless you have inside information about Cilla's menstrual cycles, then your accusation is erroneous.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Baby_due_date?OpenDocument

Length of gestation
The average length of human gestation is 280 days, or 40 weeks, from the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period. The medical term for the due date is estimated date of confinement (EDC). However, only about four per cent of women actually give birth on their EDC. There are many online pregnancy calculators (see Further information) that can tell you when your baby is due, if you type in the date of the first day of your last period.

A simple method to calculate the due date is to add seven days to the date of the first day of your last period, then add nine months. For example, if the first day of your last period was February 1, add seven days (February 8) then add nine months, for a due date of November 8.

There were exactly 276 days between May 1st, 1967 and February 1st, 1968.

http://timeanddate.com/

The idea that Cilla was a virgin on her wedding night stands up because of a) the facts presented above and b) (less provable) Elvis' attitude about the woman who was to bear his child. Elvis wanted to marry a virgin. I believe Cilla when she says that - although they did everything but the actual deed before May 1st, 1967 - she was, technically and in all other ways, a virgin.

:doh: Why do I agree with you ? Because all you've said is true !
I worked OB for several years --about 5 ! From birth to death ! ;)
I also tend to believe that Elvis did have this thing about keeping her a virgin!
Yes, I believe they did do everything else , but the final act was left to the wedding night !

[SweetCaroline]

Carol, I think the "empire" waist line in dresses was in style then. I didn't think she looked pregnant in the dress but then she didn't gain much weight during her pregnancy so I don't feel competent to even guess whether she was or was not. I just have a feeling she wasn't but that doesn't help much does it?

Diane


You might be right Diane. I know the empire waist dresses were a style of the 60's. I just simply don't remember seeing any wedding dresses like that exceptPriscillas. IMHO If she was not expecting she sure could have picked a prettier dress.

I do think (at least in the beginning of their relationship) ELVIS had EVERY intention of marrying Priscilla at "some point".......but at the actually moment the wedding happened....it sure seems to me that there was some sort of PUSHING going on for some reason.:hmm: Why else did ELVIS himself say that it was "a ramrod thing"....He said it himself. :hmm: Even back then ...all those years ago....something seemed not quite right.

[utmom2008]

What kind of a parent lets their teenaged daughter go live with a rock star???? The kind that knows this would end up with lots of cash ONE WAY OR THE OTHER????? I think there's a name for that - isn't there????
THANK YOU!!!!! A little common sense just reared it's head.;);)

I doubt very much anybody would stop there 18 year from living with elvis presley. Glad l wasn't pris or my parents would down crap creek without a puddle.

MOST parents would stop their 16 year old daughter from living with a rock-n-roll singer. We sure would have!!!!! And...my daughter would NOT have dated ANYONE at the age of FOURTEEN. And, NO...we would not have "been UP S*** creek without a paddle."

[MissyM]

Getlo you are going by the date she said she got pregnant. Ok so that would make her period about April 14th and due date Jan. 21. And Lisa was not overdue. Too small for that. There is no way they'd plan a wedding the week that she might have had a period! So it (period) had to be the week of the 14th. Use that date and see what you get. Yep, a Jan. due date. Hey, I never said everyone knew! It's just something I heard and kept in the back of my head for years because well, it didn't matter much. But then when the subject first came up I did the calculations and it all made sense. Oh and give me a break, what man sleeps in the same bed with a women that long and doesn't have sex with her. That's just silly. He told one of the guys that he must have slipped and not pulled out soon enough. Supposedly he said that when he found out she was pregnant so soon. Why the heck would he even say that once they were married? He jokes about her virginity! My gosh put it all togeather. He even told a relative he didn't want to go through with it. Yes, Elvis could be pushed into things but marriage. Yeh, her father called in his marker because his little girl said she thought she might be pregnant.

[SweetCaroline]

Main Entry: ramrod
Date: circa 1940
: to direct, supervise, and control

[utmom2008]

Why would you think they didn't have sex. She had an affair with her dance instructor which she admitted to finally. Saving herself for marriage...ahhh I don't think so. I hope your source isn't Cilla because she has changed her story so many times, how could anyone believe her!

:lol::lol: Missy...why would anyone believe your stories?? The fact that you are family and your story rings clear as a bell certainly would not cause anyone to listen to you. It's so much more fun to put Elvis and Priscilla in a Harlequin Romance novel.;);) It's a shame that Rising Son wasn't white.....then Elvis could have literally ridden up on his white horse and saved the fair damsel in distress from her ivory tower.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[cameron]

I am going to try and say this as nice as I can, by using my own family as an example . ;)

There was never anyone that could tell so many stories to suit themselves as my family ! I remember well an uncle that divorced his wife .The next woman he married was not included in our family for many years !
Why? Because my granny swore the second wife broke up his first marriage !
Not true , as they married a few years after his divorce !
Everyone told this stupid story ,but I liked her and found out later it was BS !

There were many things like this in my family . I'm sure that's why I adopted a liberal attitude of "Live and let live." Most things are not true or greatly exaggerated , depending on their opinion of the person they're talking about !:P

[presley31]

I am going to try and say this as nice as I can, by using my own family as an example . ;)

There was never anyone that could tell so many stories to suit themselves as my family ! I remember well an uncle that divorced his wife .The next woman he married was not included in our family for many years !
Why? Because my granny swore the second wife broke up his first marriage !
Not true , as they married a few years after his divorce !
Everyone told this stupid story ,but I liked her and found out later it was BS !

There were many things like this in my family . I'm sure that's why I adopted a liberal attitude of "Live and let live." Most things are not true or greatly exaggerated , depending on their opinion of the person they're talking about !:P

Great post cameron,(y) just like that old saying you can't always believe what you read:doh:

[utmom2008]

Well, first my daughter is only 8 so it ain't happening at my house. But I just can't fathom such a situation that her parents were in when Elvis asked them to let Priscilla come to live in Memphis. I just can't fathom that, from a parents point of view, today.

OOhhh...you have lots of fun years ahead.;) I know...I have a 27 year old daughter. Give it a few years...get back with us then.;):lol:

[MissyM]

Great post cameron,(y) just like that old saying you can't always believe what you read:doh:

Well that is true but seems to me a whole lot of people argue about a whole lots of fact, based on who "they" believe.

[presley31]

Well that is true but seems to me a whole lot of people argue about a whole lots of fact, based on who "they" believe.

I like to see sources to information, not just hearsay.

[utmom2008]

Did Elvis and Pris get their clothes off the rack at Sears?




WHY did Priscilla wear such a PREGNANT looking wedding dress do you guys think? :blink: Whenever she dressed up before that day...her clothes were always stylish and showed off her lovely petite figure...but that pregnant looking wedding dress always threw me...and I think it left many people scratching their heads as to WHY THAT DRESS over the years.

:lmfao::lmfao: Maybe Jak was right....maybe the dress really did come off the rack at Sears.:lmfao: I agree with your thinking Carole..my brother married in 1968, his wife would NEVER have picked out anything that unflattering. YES...the "babydoll" style was in style in 1967..just as it is again today in 2008. It just didn't show up in wedding gowns...then, or now.;)

[MissyM]

Well basically if it didn't come from Elvis, alot of it is heresay!

[ehollier]

OOhhh...you have lots of fun years ahead.;) I know...I have a 27 year old daughter. Give it a few years...get back with us then.;):lol:

Thanks for the support, Miss Queen of what??? lol.....

[utmom2008]

Great post cameron,(y) just like that old saying you can't always believe what you read:doh:

Yet everyone on this MB does!!!;););)

[presley31]

Well basically if it didn't come from Elvis, alot of it is heresay!

yes its all heresay, but after the information we get from sources we can make our opinions about details of elvis life.

[utmom2008]

Thanks for the support, Miss Queen of what??? lol.....

After raising a head-strong daughter??? Just call me the Queen of premature grey hair!!!:lmfao::lmfao:

[ehollier]

After raising a head-strong daughter??? Just call me the Queen of premature grey hair!!!:lmfao::lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Careful, Missy ... your theory simply doesn't stand up to scientific fact. And unless you have inside information about Cilla's menstrual cycles, then your accusation is erroneous.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Baby_due_date?OpenDocument

Length of gestation
The average length of human gestation is 280 days, or 40 weeks, from the first day of the woman’s last menstrual period. The medical term for the due date is estimated date of confinement (EDC). However, only about four per cent of women actually give birth on their EDC. There are many online pregnancy calculators (see Further information) that can tell you when your baby is due, if you type in the date of the first day of your last period.

A simple method to calculate the due date is to add seven days to the date of the first day of your last period, then add nine months. For example, if the first day of your last period was February 1, add seven days (February 8) then add nine months, for a due date of November 8.

There were exactly 276 days between May 1st, 1967 and February 1st, 1968.

http://timeanddate.com/

The idea that Cilla was a virgin on her wedding night stands up because of a) the facts presented above and b) (less provable) Elvis' attitude about the woman who was to bear his child. Elvis wanted to marry a virgin. I believe Cilla when she says that - although they did everything but the actual deed before May 1st, 1967 - she was, technically and in all other ways, a virgin.

For someone that doesn't want to go where babies pop out you are well read on your OB manual.;):lmfao: That's a joke BTW...:lol:

[SweetCaroline]

Well basically if it didn't come from Elvis, alot of it is heresay!


I agree....and here we have Elvis saying... ON TAPE .....(not that I agree in the least with how the tape was obtained!)

"It was a ramrod type thing. I had nothing to do with it... You know, All the sudden I was married."

Well.......what possibly could this mean??? :blink::hmm: It sure is a mystery.:hmm:

[Getlo]

Getlo you are going by the date she said she got pregnant. Ok so that would make her period about April 14th and due date Jan. 21. And Lisa was not overdue. Too small for that. There is no way they'd plan a wedding the week that she might have had a period!

You must be kidding. You are grasping at straws in the face of provable, scientific FACT.

The average human gestation is 280 days. From wedding night to LM's birth was 276 days. Taking into account Cilla's cycle - which I'm sure was not discussed with Elvis! ;) - may have finished a couple or three days earlier than that ...

... all of this adds up to Cilla's story checking out. No ifs, ands or buts. The idea that she was pregnant before her wedding is pure speculation, and there is nothing to back up that theory at all.

Yes, Elvis was forced into marriage. Yes, Cilla is devious and always has been. But she did not use the pregnancy to trap him.

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, Elvis was forced into marriage.

I've always heard this but never really knew how true it was.

Apparently Colonel Beauila was threatening to sue Elvis etc if he didn't go ahead and marry her.

I think the whole wedding Elvis was in a trap, but try and live up to an image of something, Elvis wasn't never meant to be married. Never in his life I'm betting, was he 100% Loyal to any one woman.

IMO, Elvis didn't want to settle down and marry. And one more thing, it wasn't so much her leaving him that he would miss her etc that killed him, it was his HUGE ego that couldn't handle it. I mean here you have this young girl who he pretty much raised from a young girl, and had been whipped by Elvis all the years, almost like a dog on a leash and here she is leaving him. That's what killed him imo. Sorry for getting a little off topic with my rambing. In a chatty mood at 6 am with no sleep:lmfao:

[cameron]

Originally Posted by MissyM
Getlo you are going by the date she said she got pregnant. Ok so that would make her period about April 14th and due date Jan. 21. And Lisa was not overdue. Too small for that. There is no way they'd plan a wedding the week that she might have had a period!
You must be kidding. You are grasping at straws in the face of provable, scientific FACT.

The average human gestation is 280 days. From wedding night to LM's birth was 276 days. Taking into account Cilla's cycle - which I'm sure was not discussed with Elvis! ;) - may have finished a couple or three days earlier than that ...

... all of this adds up to Cilla's story checking out. No ifs, ands or buts. The idea that she was pregnant before her wedding is pure speculation, and there is nothing to back up that theory at all.

Yes, Elvis was forced into marriage. Yes, Cilla is devious and always has been. But she did not use the pregnancy to trap him.

I started to answer this last night, but grew tired of it all.:blink:
Have to agree with you, Getlo!

I had an in-law that started her period on her wediing day !
My cousin laughed at her ! One month larter, my cousin had the same thing happen to her ! ;)
I believe it's just nerves that causes these things !No way can anyone predict their bodies response to stress !

I believe Elvis was forced {rushed } into marriage !
It was just way past time in some peoples eyes !

[Getlo]

I mean here you have this young girl who he pretty much raised from a young girl, and had been whipped by Elvis all the years, almost like a dog on a leash and here she is leaving him. That's what killed him imo.

No. Drug abuse and a heart attack killed him.

I agree that it was a huge blow to his ego. But it did not kill him, any more than his mother's death did.

Elvis didn't so much miss Cilla as the ... let's say the power he had over her. He liked his women in their place, ie secondary to him and the other men around him.

She defied him. She said no. No one had ever done that to Elvis.

That's what he was hurting over. That, and the fact that she had taken up with another man so soon. "How could anyone follow me?" was his thinking.

The idea that he was in love with Cilla until he died is rubbish, IMO. I don't even think he was ever truly in love with her, or any woman.

[Donut]

The way I figure it.... Priscilla called her Daddy and whined.....Daddy called the Colonel....the Colonel and Daddy got on Elvis's case about the situation...Elvis was just "rowing with the flow" and let the Colonel put the wedding together... and in the rush Red was left out...It sure seems so by ELVIS' own words......"It was a ramrod type thing."

Maybe Elvis wasn´t interested in the wedding at all? ;)

[ehollier]

Last night after I logged off of here, I was thinking about what Missy said about things that she heard in the family and then she put two and two together about Priscilla tricking Elvis into marriage and just hasn't said anything until now that she's being asked to give her comments.

I don't doubt that Elvis' life is a great source of discussion in the Smith family. I also know that there is no love lost between the Smith family and Priscilla because maybe they feel slighted by her because of everything that happened in the aftermath of Elvis' death. They also have a saying that "Blood is thicker than water" and I do believe that this would certainly apply here.

As far as "everyone" (Missy's term) knowing that Priscilla had tricked Elvis b/c she thought she was pregnant, and then "everyone" (Missy's term again) knowing how disappointed that they baby didn't come on time - Could it be (THIS IS JUST SPECULATION) that this story was something that was told and over the years became embellished and believed as fact, when in fact maybe, just maybe, it was an assumption to begin with. Forget the fact that she wasn't liked very much within the group (as some members of the MM say). With so many family members and friends around, is it possible that someone may have said "Maybe they rushed to get married b/c she was pregnant" and, over with time, this has become what is generally accepted by the family now. I don't really know. Its difficult enough trying to figure out what the truth is and what isn't the truth since Elvis never spoke of any of this. When I get into trying to second guess these truths, one is left believing just about anything.

It just seems to me that IF the story about her tricking Elvis into marriage were true, someone within the group would have blown the lid off of this and not kept it a secret for so long.

[MissyM]

You must be kidding. You are grasping at straws in the face of provable, scientific FACT.

The average human gestation is 280 days. From wedding night to LM's birth was 276 days. Taking into account Cilla's cycle - which I'm sure was not discussed with Elvis! ;) - may have finished a couple or three days earlier than that ...

... all of this adds up to Cilla's story checking out. No ifs, ands or buts. The idea that she was pregnant before her wedding is pure speculation, and there is nothing to back up that theory at all.

Yes, Elvis was forced into marriage. Yes, Cilla is devious and always has been. But she did not use the pregnancy to trap him.

I didn't say she was pregnant before the marriage. She just said she thought she was. Too early to confirm, no one wanted to take the chance. Besides Col. thought it was past time for this and maybe it would settle him down.

[MissyM]

IMO, Elvis didn't want to settle down and marry. And one more thing, it wasn't so much her leaving him that he would miss her etc that killed him, it was his HUGE ego that couldn't handle it. I mean here you have this young girl who he pretty much raised from a young girl, and had been whipped by Elvis all the years, almost like a dog on a leash and here she is leaving him. That's what killed him imo. Sorry for getting a little off topic with my rambing. In a chatty mood at 6 am with no sleep
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Whipped like a dog? Far from it!

[Getlo]

Could it be (THIS IS JUST SPECULATION) that this story was something that was told and over the years became embellished and believed as fact, when in fact maybe, just maybe, it was an assumption to begin with.

Precisely.

There is absolutely no way Cilla was pregnant before the wedding day. We would have heard something more credible by now than disgruntled Smith relatives and others!

[MissyM]

Last night after I logged off of here, I was thinking about what Missy said about things that she heard in the family and then she put two and two together about Priscilla tricking Elvis into marriage and just hasn't said anything until now that she's being asked to give her comments.

I don't doubt that Elvis' life is a great source of discussion in the Smith family. I also know that there is no love lost between the Smith family and Priscilla because maybe they feel slighted by her because of everything that happened in the aftermath of Elvis' death. They also have a saying that "Blood is thicker than water" and I do believe that this would certainly apply here.

As far as "everyone" (Missy's term) knowing that Priscilla had tricked Elvis b/c she thought she was pregnant, and then "everyone" (Missy's term again) knowing how disappointed that they baby didn't come on time - Could it be (THIS IS JUST SPECULATION) that this story was something that was told and over the years became embellished and believed as fact, when in fact maybe, just maybe, it was an assumption to begin with. Forget the fact that she wasn't liked very much within the group (as some members of the MM say). With so many family members and friends around, is it possible that someone may have said "Maybe they rushed to get married b/c she was pregnant" and, as with time, this has become what is generally accepted by the family now. I don't know really know. Its difficult enough trying to figure out what the truth is and what isn't the truth since Elvis never spoke of any of this. When I get into trying to second guess these truths, one is left believing just about anything.

It just seems to me that IF the story about her tricking Elvis into marriage were true, someone within the group would have blown the lid off of this and not kept it a secret for so long.

You must have missed my other post. It was not repeated over the years. It was not a big deal it was a done deal end of story no one harped on it. No love lost between Cilla and the family? There was no obssesive dislike of her. They (the family) just accepted what happened, the decisions Elvis made and like him made the best of it. There are other things that were told and no one has ever said a thing about them. But I guess at this point it really isn't relevant because people think and believe what they want anyway. I know it's hard to imagine that people did have disgression. (for Priscilla and Lisa's sake) And hard to imagine that some just don't even care enough.

[MissyM]

Problem is, there is but one you could even qualify as disgruntled (or you are speculating with no proof) and that would be Lois. And she is not my source.

[ehollier]

You must have missed my other post. It was not repeated over the years. It was not a big deal it was a done deal end of story no one harped on it. No love lost between Cilla and the family? There was no obssesive dislike of her. They (the family) just accepted what happened, the decisions Elvis made and like him made the best of it. There are other things that were told and no one has ever said a thing about them. But I guess at this point it really isn't relevant because people think and believe what they want anyway. I know it's hard to imagine that people did have disgression. (for Priscilla and Lisa's sake) And hard to imagine that some just don't even care enough.

Missy, I did read your other post, but what I keep thinking about is this - you claim that 'everyone' knew why the wedding was rushed. Who is everyone? Is the just the Smiths?, the MM?, Elvis and Priscilla? The Col? Seems like there was always alot happening around Elvis and someone close to him would have latched on to this piece of information to use it later. All of the books that have been written have spared no detail too irrevelent for us to debate. And all have pretty much said what most of us here have been lead to believe - that Priscilla was a virgin and became pregnant on their wedding night. I am not saying that you aren't telling us what you know. All I am suggesting is that, is it possible, that your story has become the truth after all of these years or is it the other way around; Priscilla's story has become the truth after all of these years? Seems to me that if she can pull the wool over EVERYONE'S eyes, she welds quite a bit of power. But she hasn't managed to keep any of the other stories consistent.

[MissyM]

First I didn't say everyone knew what went down. Second the story was not repeated through the years. Thirdly it really does matter, it didn't matter then, doesn't matter now. Just a bit of info I feel adds up from way back.

[ehollier]

First I didn't say everyone knew what went down. Second the story was not repeated through the years. Thirdly it really does matter, it didn't matter then, doesn't matter now. Just a bit of info I feel adds up from way back.


Missy, this is what you said: "Then everyone waited for the baby to be born on it's due date but she was a no show. So everyone then knew she lied." This is what I have been basing all of my inquiries on -- if "everyone" knew, how could this be kept a secret?

[MissyM]

Ok I see what you are saying. Of course people did wait for the baby on the due date. Then after the fact years later ( I can't even recall the year) eventually the subject came up about the rushed wedding years later (because as I said not a big topic for discussion) one person slipped up, someone I consider reliable. One, but I assumed that if that person knew, so did the rest.(and just had kept mum) And the whole thing seemed to have been dropped by then anyway. Heck Elvis's drug situation wasn't even talked about. I didn't know he had a drug problem till you people did probably.

[ehollier]

Ok I see what you are saying. Of course people did wait for the baby on the due date. Then after the fact years later ( I can't even recall the year) eventually the subject came up about the rushed wedding years later (because as I said not a big topic for discussion) one person slipped up, someone I consider reliable. One, but I assumed that if that person knew, so did the rest.(and just had kept mum) And the whole thing seemed to have been dropped by then anyway. Heck Elvis's drug situation wasn't even talked about. I didn't know he had a drug problem till you people did probably.

Thank you Missy for clearing that up. I hope you can understand how I could challenge your theory of 'everyone' and then it never been revealed in some interview. I just seems a little curious that with all that has been said about Elvis, and we know there has been PLENTY, this has never ever been repeated; however, I understand that you believe this b/c of your source.

But "what people" are you talking about? Only family, the MM, only Priscilla and Elvis?? How many people are we talking about that were waiting on a baby that never came? I have to ask, b/c I find it remarkable that this has never been made public. Elvis was surrounded by people all of the time and if what you are saying is true, then someone HAD TO KNOW.

[cameron]

I still don't understand. Since a gestation is 280 days and Lisa was born 276 days after the weddiing ; how can anyone say Cilla was pregnant before the wedding---or that she was late delivering the baby :doh:?
Both contradict the other, IMO.

[Diane]

I think what was said that Priscilla thought or had pretended she was pregnant before the wedding but then after getting married really did get pregnant.

That's one I hadn't heard of.

Diane

[cameron]

I think what was said that Priscilla thought or had pretended she was pregnant before the wedding but then after getting married really did get pregnant.

That's one I hadn't heard of.

Diane

:doh: Thanks, Diane . Guess it's just like many of the stories.
They don't have to make sense for someone to repeat them. ;)

[Diane]

You sure have got that right Cameron.:lol:

Diane

[presley31]

:doh: Thanks, Diane . Guess it's just like many of the stories.
They don't have to make sense for someone to repeat them. ;)

That is pretty much how gossip starts and than it speads like wildfire:blink:

[utmom2008]

I agree that it was a huge blow to his ego. But it did not kill him, any more than his mother's death did.

Elvis didn't so much miss Cilla as the ... let's say the power he had over her. He liked his women in their place, ie secondary to him and the other men around him.

She defied him. She said no. No one had ever done that to Elvis.

That's what he was hurting over. That, and the fact that she had taken up with another man so soon. "How could anyone follow me?" was his thinking.

The idea that he was in love with Cilla until he died is rubbish, IMO. I don't even think he was ever truly in love with her, or any woman.

I think you are spot-on with all of that Getlo. His ego was going to be crushed no matter who she left him for, when it was someone like Mike Stone that was the final blow. I remember back in 72 when Pris and Mike Stone turned up in a big color pic on the front of all the "Movie Magazines". People were stunned! Now remember, this was 1972, all we had to go by were his pictures and everyone's first question was...."Is this guy black?" THAT'S the 1st question the public had for Pris...how could she leave The King, the best-looking guy around for THIS guy?????:doh: I agree with you...I don't think Elvis was ever truly "in-love" with any woman. IF he was....I can think of a couple that probably ranked ahead of Pris....:blink::blink::blink:

[Getlo]

I still don't understand. Since a gestation is 280 days and Lisa was born 276 days after the weddiing ; how can anyone say Cilla was pregnant before the wedding---or that she was late delivering the baby :doh:?

Remember, gestation is an average of 280 days. Allowing for Cilla's cycle which may have even finished a couple of days prior to May 1st, that still leaves a couple of weeks to play with.

I see no reason to doubt Cilla's claims of wedding-night virginity.

[Unchained Melody]

No. Drug abuse and a heart attack killed him.

I agree that it was a huge blow to his ego. But it did not kill him, any more than his mother's death did.

Elvis didn't so much miss Cilla as the ... let's say the power he had over her. He liked his women in their place, ie secondary to him and the other men around him.

She defied him. She said no. No one had ever done that to Elvis.

That's what he was hurting over. That, and the fact that she had taken up with another man so soon. "How could anyone follow me?" was his thinking.

The idea that he was in love with Cilla until he died is rubbish, IMO. I don't even think he was ever truly in love with her, or any woman.

Agreed Getlo !

There as one thing about Elvis, and that was he had a HUGE ego issues...

[Unchained Melody]

I see no reason to doubt Cilla's claims of wedding-night virginity.

Neither do I, that's what I beleive...

[Unchained Melody]

he was....I can think of a couple that probably ranked ahead of Pris....:blink::blink::blink:

I beleive the women that had Elvis' heart the most were Linda Thompson, Anne Margret and Priscilla. I think he was very taken with both of them....others came and go.