Elvis, a bad boy ?

[illona]

This is a video showing Elvis filmed by police in 1956 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9eyF0rxsFQ&feature=related

what would have happened to rock'n'roll if the police had banned him ?

[Tony Trout]

It would have continued on, IMO, because Elvis didn't originally create rock 'n' roll....rock 'n' roll was around a few years before Elvis came on the scene.

[illona]

May be Elvis didn't originally create rock'n'roll BUT he was the most representative singer of this music by his way of moving on stage, his look and his talent ! :king::notworthy

[Diane]

I got a kick out of this video and song as it didn't take much to be considered a "bad boy" back in those days.....they hadn't seen nothin' yet.:lol:

Thank you Illona,

Diane

[Unchained Melody]

It would have continued on, IMO, because Elvis didn't originally create rock 'n' roll....rock 'n' roll was around a few years before Elvis came on the scene.

Your right Tony he didn't invent it, but he sure made it bigger than anyone ever could have dreamed possible.

[SweetCaroline]

Your right Tony he didn't invent it, but he sure made it bigger than anyone ever could have dreamed possible.

EXACTLY...no one had the whole package of stunning goodlooks, charisma, personality, voice, energy, moves, etc....but ELVIS! :notworthy That is why he won the crown! :king: He was the one who was truly able to SELL Rock n Roll to the masses!

[Unchained Melody]

Agreed. I can't think of many artist who were around in the 1950's who had number 1 hits in 1969!!!;)

[goodelvisgirl]

elvis kicked started the rock & roll era he came along and kicked down the doors for the other artists to walk through he may not have invented it but he perfected it and made it appealing to the masses and its hard to imagine elvis and what he did as vulgar and him being a bad boy compared to today he was pritty tame i think elvis came along and started his gyrations and shocked the heck out of little 50's america they may not have been ready for elvis but the kids sure were without elvis i don't think music would have evolved cos i could not see anyone who could have filled that gap or shocked or changed as much as elvis did

[Unchained Melody]

elvis kicked started the rock & roll era he came along and kicked down the doors for the other artists to walk through he may not have invented it but he perfected it and made it appealing to the masses and its hard to imagine elvis and what he did as vulgar and him being a bad boy compared to today he was pritty tame i think elvis came along and started his gyrations and shocked the heck out of little 50's america they may not have been ready for elvis but the kids sure were without elvis i don't think music would have evolved cos i could not see anyone who could have filled that gap or shocked or changed as much as elvis did

Thank God for Elvis Presley !

[Lisarose]

Great, haven't seen this one before, talk about "tame"! As he said, all he did was jiggle :D Has anyone seen footage of Elvis in Florida wiggling his little finger? I've heard the story, I've always wanted to see him defy the establishment!

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Elvis certainly encapsulated what rock 'n' roll was all about in those early days! However I still believe that rock 'n' roll would have evolved had Elvis not been around.. it would have taken longer and perhaps moved in a different direction.

Elvis was the acceptable face of rock 'n' roll to the white masses, Little Richard was out there doing his stuff but segregation was still in place in the 50's

[ehollier]

Elvis, 'A BAD BOY',

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/1/4/6/9/1956CandidTommyTCB15.jpg

Why, what would make you say that???????

[cibetty]

I love the clip Ilona!! (y) (y) Thanks for sharing. I'm glad the police couldn't ban him LOL... I think his moving was really natural, he couldn't do anything against it.

[KPM]

It would have continued on, IMO, because Elvis didn't originally create rock 'n' roll....rock 'n' roll was around a few years before Elvis came on the scene.
Well in one form or another "beat music" was around- blues, gospel, but it was not mainstream, and IMO the sound which came out of Sun in "Thats Allright Mama" in 54 was indeed different from R&B, Country and Gospel.
So it may have been a long while before it was accepted in the mainstream without Elvis pushing it. IMO
Without Elvis pushing it into the main and in doing so helping black artists get into the mainstream-would it have become worldwide as it did-or just be contained in America?

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis Bad Boy. The title of the thread made me think of the incident when elvis got in trouble with the law for having those fake hand guns he got from the movie sets used as propts in the movies. Anyone got more info on that incident?

[Unchained Melody]

Elvis certainly encapsulated what rock 'n' roll was all about in those early days! However I still believe that rock 'n' roll would have evolved had Elvis not been around.. it would have taken longer and perhaps moved in a different direction.

Elvis was the acceptable face of rock 'n' roll to the white masses, Little Richard was out there doing his stuff but segregation was still in place in the 50's

But they needed someone to lead the group and Elvis was their man.

I know of many ol timers who say had Buddy Holly not died in '59 I believe it was , he'd been bigger than Elvis Presley. Now I'm not saying he wouldn't have been big, but don't think anyone can top our man ;)

[monk37]

some of the Florida police footage is in This is Elvis

he did move around,the little finger is just a story Elvis told, he didn't hold back at his shows at all

the police footage shows him moving around

saying he could only move his little finger just made for a good story

[TCE]

Like Elvis said hmself: compared to nowadays he was tame. lol.

And I don't only believe him. It's a fact that he's speaking the truth

[Pelv1s]

bbbbb bad...bbbaad to the bone

nice song

[TCE]

Elvis was true art. Nowadays all you need is a good, pefect body. Elvis had it all. a good body, voice, humor etc. But people don't seem to care about a song, voice or whatever anymore. As long as they can go wild and the girls have big boops, it's ok. It's a pitty, cause for me the voice and performance is more important than pretty girls or good looking guys.

[utmom2008]

Elvis was true art. Nowadays all you need is a good, pefect body. Elvis had it all. a good body, voice, humor etc. But people don't seem to care about a song, voice or whatever anymore. As long as they can go wild and the girls have big boops, it's ok. It's a pitty, cause for me the voice and performance is more important than pretty girls or good looking guys.

great post.(y)(y)

[kathy parkinson]

Roseanne agree with you 100%, the music must come first, everything else is a bonus.

[kathy parkinson]

Whoops, sorry TCE, i agree with you. Roseanne sorry about that, i agree with most of your post as well.

[goodelvisgirl]

yup i agree todays music is really all about the artist and its about rehab and alcaholl and who fell out of a club at 3am totally wasted who flashed there underwear and the music gets forgotten and speaking of the music i say its all rambling nonsence you can't make out a word they say and no one is making anything new or changing anything about the musc styles thank the lord for elvis and the early rock&roll singers

[Diane]

Amen goodelvisgirl...you've said it all.(y) Very few of today's artists have flair, originality and too many just plain no talent.


Diane

[ehollier]

Elvis was true art. Nowadays all you need is a good, pefect body. Elvis had it all. a good body, voice, humor etc. But people don't seem to care about a song, voice or whatever anymore. As long as they can go wild and the girls have big boops, it's ok. It's a pitty, cause for me the voice and performance is more important than pretty girls or good looking guys.

It has always been THE VOICE. That voice is the what drew Sam Phillips, that voice was he relied on when he first began singing in high school. That voice was what he used each and every day when he would sing only for himself, mostly gossip songs. That voice was what carried him through his very last concert. I truly believe that, although he was aware he had a gift, he really and truly didn't realize the extent and talent hidden in his voice. He had a 3 octive range, which in itself was very very rare. He could sing off key -- and do it well. He could move the masses to tears. He could bring them to their feet, their knees and anywhere in between. He couldn't have realized his power that his voice, alone, contained.

As far as the beautiful face...that was almost extra. His beauty and sex appeal was an added feature and only added to the remarkable voice. As Rosanne said, he was "true art", but without that enduring voice, he wouldn't have this incredible legacy that has remained after so many years. Cybil Sheppard said that the first time she spoke to him on the phone, his voice sounded like "melted caramels." That phrase alone envokes some very sensual thoughts, but his voice, alone, was remarkable.

[goodelvisgirl]

well said ehollier i agree with you his voice was truely unique but the voice,the look,the charisma and the pure talent is what made elvis just truly fantastic a one and only how many artists can we say that about

[ehollier]

well said ehollier i agree with you his voice was truely unique but the voice,the look,the charisma and the pure talent is what made elvis just truly fantastic a one and only how many artists can we say that about

Oh, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention his extraordinary charisma (how could I forget that??). He had charisma by the boatloads to compliment his awesome and unbelivable beauty. But it was still THE VOICE that was the greatest tool he possessed.

[goodelvisgirl]

yup and thats whats missing from todays artists its all about there off stage antics and no one talks about there talent or there voice or charsima elvis came along at the right time in the music undustry and while he was here he gave us some fantastic music and some fantastic performances all sung live none of this miming that they do today he was out performing live two shows a night and up and down the country even into his late 30's and early 40's how many artist have that stamina today

[EnigmaticSun]

They consider Elvis to be rock 'n roll, but he was different from later generations. I think there's a charm to 50's rock 'n roll, but I'm not so much into the later stuff: tough guys being drunk, smashing guitars and such.

Elvis was wild for his day, but mild as well. He could do a gospel song or a ballad, you don't find such versatility anymore. Elvis captured that electrifying feeling of life in Southern churches.

[presley31]

I think thats what different from the 50's and now is that lots of parents taught there kids respect and morals, but now kids are really different and behave more wildy than elvis could of thought of doing on stage and off.

Another thing is glady's taught elvis everything she knew and elvis woudn't do anthing ditry that his mother would be seeing, elvis had alot of ove for his mother and the biggest thing that l admire about elvis is the respect he has for his mother and others.

[EnigmaticSun]

I think thats what different from the 50's and now is that lots of parents taught there kids respect and morals.

So do you think it's not as fun anymore..?

[presley31]

So do you think it's not as fun anymore..?

Not sure about the rest of the world, but where l live its no fun anymore. I would love to see manners and kids act like elvis did towards people. You know things changed alot in years when you walk down the street and your kid says hello and some people put there noses up in the air and keep walking.

[EnigmaticSun]

your kid says hello and some people put there noses up in the air and keep walking.

Too busy with themselves. But they think they are free of the Christian yoke and tend to feel anti-monarch.

[Diane]

I think that was the whole point Jen was making. Too many people now are too full of themselves and don't think of anyone else. I realize things are tougher to get by these days but there is no excuse for coldness and rudeness.


Diane

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Just to pick up on this point again, Elvis broke down barriers in the 50's, he went against social behaviors back in a time where crooners were the norm. Elvis was shocking for his time! Every generation is always going to call the next (myself Included).

What is truly regrettable in todays society is the lack of manners and social graces (n)

[Diane]

(y)(y)(y) Matt

Trends do change though and when it does turn around again, some people will be shunned for their words and actions. Just hope we don't go Victorian again...too far the other way.

I wonder if there ever will be a happy medium where people are respectful and moral but not too judgemental?

Diane

[presley31]

I think that was the whole point Jen was making. Too many people now are too full of themselves and don't think of anyone else. I realize things are tougher to get by these days but there is no excuse for coldness and rudeness.
Diane

Thank you diane, that was my point l was trying to make:blush::hug:

[Unchained Melody]

What is truly regrettable in todays society is the lack of manners and social graces (n)

Agreed Matt. And they thought Elvis was a contribute to juvenile delinquency. My what were they thinking when you compare it to todays standards.

[EnigmaticSun]

Just hope we don't go Victorian again...too far the other way.

In a way we already have since long. Especially since AIDS in the 1980's.

[Diane]

Nope don't agree. Aids doesn't seemed to have slowed anyone down, in fact there are more one-night stands and careless relationships than ever before.

Diane

[EnigmaticSun]

There was this effect that people got afraid of physically touching another person or using the same bathroom.

For as far as I know these times are terribly narrow-minded and suffocating.

[Diane]

In some ways they are narrow-minded and suffocating but that doesn't seem to apply to their own actions....only others.

Diane

[EnigmaticSun]

You betcha they had sex during the Victorian era as well, they were just more than average hypocritical about it. I don't see the Victorian era as the result of monarchies. It was probably more a typical Anglo-Saxon thing. You've no idea what it's like being English.

[kathy parkinson]

I'm proud to be English

[illona]

To return to the conversation on E, he shocked many persons by his behavior on stage. But in his private life he had nothing of a bad boy, on the contrary. He was respectful, he didn't smoke nor drink.
May be to be on stage allowed him to be someone else...

[Diane]

His behavior on stage was very mild in comparison to today's artists and the one quality he had that stood out above anyone else's was his willingness and actual "need" to be close to his fans.

I really don't think he was much different in his private life except for letting loose even more as anyone does at home.

And yes EnigmaticSun, the victorians and every other generation had "illicit" sex only the victorians hid it very well. Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes? Was that Prince Rupert?

Diane

[ehollier]

Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes?
Diane

A lover for medicinal purposes???? What???????? I've never heard of this excuse......

[utmom2008]

Roseanne agree with you 100%, the music must come first, everything else is a bonus.


Whoops, sorry TCE, i agree with you. Roseanne sorry about that, i agree with most of your post as well.

:lmfao::lmfao: (y)(y)(y)

[utmom2008]

That voice was what he used each and every day when he would sing only for himself, mostly gossip songs.


A lover for medicinal purposes???? What???????? I've never heard of this excuse......



And yes EnigmaticSun, the victorians and every other generation had "illicit" sex only the victorians hid it very well. Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes? Was that Prince Rupert?
So the story goes......;) Elizabeth....what is a gossip song?:supriced::supriced::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[ehollier]

So the story goes......;) Elizabeth....what is a gossip song?:supriced::supriced::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Thanks Rosanne for pointing that typo out. Sorry. I think you get the message though. GOSPEL songs. I type faster than my fingers and mind can work sometimes....lol

[EnigmaticSun]

And yes EnigmaticSun, the victorians and every other generation had "illicit" sex only the victorians hid it very well. Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes? Was that Prince Rupert?

I haven't got a clue, LOL! I just don't like the Victorian era, since (e.g.) being gay was like murder according to their opinion.

And I didn't mean to say anything negative about England. There are things in Britain far more important than having money, is it not?

Fear not kind Sir, for it matters not one wit - my previous post in this topic was just a quote from a movie with John Cleese ("A Fish Called Wanda"). I didn't mention the rest, it's even worse.

[utmom2008]

Thanks Rosanne for pointing that typo out. Sorry. I think you get the message though. GOSPEL songs. I type faster than my fingers and mind can work sometimes....lol

Yes...I knew what you meant.:lol: That might be the up and coming thing though since "gossip" has become a multimillion dollar industry.:lol::lol:

[presley31]

A lover for medicinal purposes???? What???????? I've never heard of this excuse......

I was wondering the same thing:hmm:

[ehollier]

Yes...I knew what you meant.:lol: That might be the up and coming thing though since "gossip" has become a multimillion dollar industry.:lol::lol:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[presley31]

His behavior on stage was very mild in comparison to today's artists and the one quality he had that stood out above anyone else's was his willingness and actual "need" to be close to his fans.

I really don't think he was much different in his private life except for letting loose even more as anyone does at home.

And yes EnigmaticSun, the victorians and every other generation had "illicit" sex only the victorians hid it very well. Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes? Was that Prince Rupert?

Diane

diane is this what you were talking about when you mentioned the queen?

http://www.rakehell.com/article.php?id=177&Title=Queen-Victoria-during-the-Regency

[Unchained Melody]

A lover for medicinal purposes???? What???????? I've never heard of this excuse......

And neither have I ...... :blink:

[epcomics]

I disagree with the statement that Elvis didn't create rock and roll. If you listen to Rocket 88 or Rock around the Clock, that stuff is all great, but it's country compared to the screaming vocals and sexuality of songs like Heartbreak Hotel or Hound Dog.

[Diane]

Jen, yes that is an article about Queen Victoria. Thank you, it was very interesting. Poor lady seemed to be quite unhappy when she was young. I hope she was happier in her later years.

EnigmaticSun, the victorian era was very harsh about morals etc. which is why when Victoria took a lover, whether it was her idea or not, it was passed off for medicinal purposes. Go figure....they had a weird way of thinking but then so does every era in one way or another.

Diane

[SleepyJack]

Lawdy lawdy!!....that was funny.......Gossip songs!!!.......For a while I had an image of Elvis at the piano at the end of the day singing his little gossip songs to unwind!!.........."Well Charlie`s gettin` friendly with the maids,an` `Cilla`s put her hair up in braids.....Jerry`s not the best since the arguement with red West....Da-Da-Dee-Da-da-dee dee dee"!!!!!

[ehollier]

Lawdy lawdy!!....that was funny.......Gossip songs!!!.......For a while I had an image of Elvis at the piano at the end of the day singing his little gossip songs to unwind!!.........."Well Charlie`s gettin` friendly with the maids,an` `Cilla`s put her hair up in braids.....Jerry`s not the best since the arguement with red West....Da-Da-Dee-Da-da-dee dee dee"!!!!!

I already got repremanded by Rosanne about this yesterday. Please not you too...

[SleepyJack]

Sorry my friend!.....I just couldn`t keep it to myself!!........Ah sure....laughter is the best medicine!!;)

[ehollier]

Sorry my friend!.....I just couldn`t keep it to myself!!........Ah sure....laughter is the best medicine!!;)

Apology accepted!! It is funny now that I read your little tune you made up.....

[utmom2008]

Apology accepted!! It is funny now that I read your little tune you made up.....

See Elizabeth.:P You may have invented a new idea. Quick...get the copyright to "gossip" songs. You might make a fortune.(y):lol:(y):lol:

[ehollier]

See Elizabeth.:P You may have invented a new idea. Quick...get the copyright to "gossip" songs. You might make a fortune.(y):lol:(y):lol:


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao:

[KPM]

See Elizabeth.:P You may have invented a new idea. Quick...get the copyright to "gossip" songs. You might make a fortune.(y):lol:(y):lol:
Col. Parker, from the great beyond, is trying to nail the copyright down as we post!

[ehollier]

Col. Parker, from the great beyond, is trying to nail the copyright down as we post!

That's as funny as the song that SleepyJack wrote!!!!!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[goodelvisgirl]

Lawdy lawdy!!....that was funny.......Gossip songs!!!.......For a while I had an image of Elvis at the piano at the end of the day singing his little gossip songs to unwind!!.........."Well Charlie`s gettin` friendly with the maids,an` `Cilla`s put her hair up in braids.....Jerry`s not the best since the arguement with red West....Da-Da-Dee-Da-da-dee dee dee"!!!!!

:lmfao::lmfao:this might have been a number one :lol:and hey you best be quick if you want the copy right to the gossip songs idea col parker is pritty sneaky:lol:

[Diane]

Jack would have to move pretty fast to beat the Colonel for the copyrights....even now. I can picture a fiery hand coming out and grabbing it away from you.:lol:

Diane

[EnigmaticSun]

Go figure....they had a weird way of thinking but then so does every era in one way or another.

So that'd mean that this era may bring forth a topsy-turvy world as well.

Taking a look at myself, I don't fit being a role model because my way of life seems to rule this out. It's disgusting what I do.

Anyway, gossip songs, yeah.. might be a good idea!

When your mouth is foul, thinking narrow and intend to brawl..
Then give it your best shot - lie, deceive and gossip it all!

[KPM]

His behavior on stage was very mild in comparison to today's artists and the one quality he had that stood out above anyone else's was his willingness and actual "need" to be close to his fans.

I really don't think he was much different in his private life except for letting loose even more as anyone does at home.

And yes EnigmaticSun, the victorians and every other generation had "illicit" sex only the victorians hid it very well. Queen Victoria was rumored to have had a lover for medicinal purposes? Was that Prince Rupert?

Diane
"Take 2 lovers and call me in the morning" -Queen Vics physician:)

[Diane]

Lol yes KPM. I did hear it was prescribed by her doctors.....hope it was pleasant for her and not the other way around.:lol:

Diane

[Wendy56]

Bad boy... mmm Like it. :P

[kathy parkinson]

Was Elvis a bad boy? I hope so, i have been having dreams about this bad boy for years,and believe me they were bad....real bad!!!!!

[Unchained Melody]

Was Elvis a bad boy? I hope so, i have been having dreams about this bad boy for years,and believe me they were bad....real bad!!!!!

....TMI....:lmfao::doh:

[Trelane P]

Just watched the video. Blown away. I didn't know footage in that quality existed of a 50's show. Brilliant!