Concert Tickets:Diagonal line vs. non diagonal Line

[howardrobardhughes]

A poster brought up an interesting point..
why do some Elvis tickets have a Diagonal Line and some don't??..
He said that "fake " tickets have a line..but this CAN'T be true..since I've seen tons of real tickets with a diagonal line....and my personal ticket has a diagonal line...
yet some don't have diagonal line..
anyone know what it's for??..does this mean that it was a sold out concert???

[Captain Elwood David]

I have a number of EP concert tickets and have always avoided the ones with the "slash." IMO, all the ones that I've ever seen are REPLICAS, were represented as such, and they sell price-wise - accordingly.


- Capt. "EL."

[MIElvis]

Exactly what I was trying to explain in the other forum. I saw a package of 20-25 tickets with slash in Memphis (early 80's) for sale as souvenirs. So I considered them fakes also.

[Captain Elwood David]

Hence, my skeptical focus on our hardcore resident "Wade - The Cup Man" Howard.

That said, ......... I do enjoy some of the posts he is bringing to the MB recently.


- Capt. "EL."

[minni1]

My concert ticket stub has no diagonal line. I know it's the genuine article, I used it on the night of June 25, 1977, in Cincinnati, OH.

[Captain Elwood David]

My concert ticket stub has no diagonal line. I know it's the genuine article, I used it on the night of June 25, 1977, in Cincinnati, OH.
EP's penultimate concert venue is indeed a very nice piece of history.


- Capt. "EL."

[howardrobardhughes]

I hate to break the news to you guys....
but just like minni1...I used mine on the night of Feb.21st,1977....Graceland packets or not...Mine came in the mail...and arivved late Jan.of 1977...
BTW...look on EBAY...right now...search...Elvis Concert Ticket....all the ones on there are fake...especially the Ashville,NC..1977...and all of them have NO line...they are lineless...just like minni1's...??YET they're FAKE as anything...

TCB..
Wade

[Lonniebealestreet]

Wade, I can't dispute the first point you made there, and I can't speak as an authority on the matter (though I do have a couple of unused tickets from the tours that never were--no line), but I must say the second is a pretty weak argument.

All squares are rectangles, yet not all rectangles are squares.

[howardrobardhughes]

All squares are rectangles, yet not all rectangles are squares.

yes..I agree...but in the same vein....Just because someone saw a packet of horizontal line "repro" tickets...doesn't mean they all are...right???
same logic applies...

btw...here's a RARITY.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Agreed.

Minni, I meant to comment before: Good show, good show... ;)

[Captain Elwood David]

Wade - The Cup Man,

Since we are "breakin'" things to each other ---> FAKES are also found WITHOUT the "slash" lines. In fact, they were around first, before the "slashed" fakes ......... ;)

This really is getting old.


- Capt. "EL."

[minni1]

Agreed.

Minni, I meant to comment before: Good show, good show... ;)
It really was, LOL. People say the next night in Indianapolis, his last show was even better. I don'y know, I wasn't there, but I can telly you in Cincinnati, he was absolutely awesome! Much more lively and alert than in the Rapid City show, 4 days earlier. Elvis was over an hour late coming on stage, he said he had to go to the dentist. Once he was there, he put on an incredible show. IMO, the Unchained Melody was better than the one shown that is often shown, though he does stumble a bit once.

[Albert]

About the slash: why would a person who wants to make duplicates (fakes) make the whole ticket look genuine and add a slash? That makes no sense. If you want to make money on a fake, you don't add extra things that seperates the fakes from the real ones?

[Captain Elwood David]

So they can't be misrepresented for something that they are not ----------> a genuine ticket.

It's the equivalent to adding the words "facsimile" or "copy" to reproductions, so they are not mistaken / used as something they are not.

They are strictly NOVELTY TICKETS / SOUVENIRS.

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Reproductions are always passed back onto the market as the real deal, and people are always fooled.

Examples:

Letters
Aloha Concert Tickets
'68 Comeback Tickets
Invoices
EP's Driver's License
Concert Scarves
Concert Tickets

All can be found in publications like The Elvis Treasures Book, Bootleg album extras, extra-added bonus' with various EP material, and .............. sold in the "Unofficial" stores surrounding Graceland proper as souvenirs.


- Capt. "EL."

[howardrobardhughes]

Hence, my skeptical focus on our hardcore resident "Wade - The Cup Man" Howard.

So they can't be misrepresented for something that they are not ----------> a genuine ticket. You guys have no idea what you're talking about..
just like Albert said
About the slash: why would a person who wants to make duplicates (fakes) make the whole ticket look genuine and add a slash? That makes no sense. If you want to make money on a fake, you don't add extra things that seperates the fakes from the real ones?
I got my tickets in the mail...they came to my home address..I went to the concert..sorry...I guess that because minni1 supposedly saw a packet of Elvis tickets in Memphis(I've NEVER seen these offered anywhere...I've bought/sold on EBAY since 1998)..that had lines on them...that my original ticket stub is fake??
which means I didn't go...right??..look at my attached photos...you can see my stub and the piece of paper that was attached to it...with the date on it too!!
I went and I used this ticket


Go to this web site..you can see many Elvis tickets that have the DIAGONAL LINE..
http://www.elvis.org/tickets/ticketsframe.html

Elvis ticket stub with line= reproduction is a false,blanket statement..

it's funny reading these expert opinions..questioning the authenticity of a ticket stub I've had for over 27 years...

Some people read about history..some were there...sorry..

Let it go...let's get on another subject...obviously,you guys are not TICKET experts
TCB
Wade

[buttonhead]

Let it go...let's get on another subject...obviously,you guys are not TICKET experts
TCB
Wade

:lol: :lol: wade,...you know you shouldnt bring up THIS subject in the first place,...you're started it up and you asked people to stop the discussion...:P pfff ..IS THAT what you're doing to people when they had a different opinion from you ??? :nono:

[howardrobardhughes]

You know..it would seem that if I started a thread asking why some tickets have a diagonal line..and some don't..I would get some helpful feedback..
KNOWING that I said I went to this show..and used THIS ticket..the responses I get are that it's not genuine..
which means I'm Lying??..right??...




it's just kind of dissapointing when I get replies (including the moderator) like


"Exactly what I was trying to explain in the other forum. I saw a package of 20-25 tickets with slash in Memphis (early 80's) for sale as souvenirs. So I considered them fakes also...Hence, my skeptical focus on our hardcore resident "Wade - The Cup Man" Howard.They are strictly NOVELTY TICKETS / SOUVENIRS."

what the hell does that mean???..that I didn't go to the concert???

BTW...When asked..I supplied photos....I guess those are fakes too..




TCB
Wade

[howardrobardhughes]

with diagonal lines,made in the early 1980's ?????
..........
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...............(waiting)
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Didn't think so...END of DISCUSSION


Exactly what I was trying to explain in the other forum. I saw a package of 20-25 tickets with slash in Memphis (early 80's) for sale as souvenirs. So I considered them fakes also.



TCB
Wade

[Captain Elwood David]

Hi Wade,


with diagonal lines,made in the early 1980's ?????
..........
.............
...............(waiting)
..................
First off, I don't live on this MB and you are not likely to get an immediate response to your posts within 2 minutes of posting them .............. or even in a few hours.


You guys have no idea what you're talking about.
Is that so.

I have already outlined my take on your "slashed" ticket / story and like I said before, I also have my own "opinions" about you as well. I must say, with time, you are holding true to form.


[Go to this web site..you can see many Elvis tickets that have the DIAGONAL LINE..
http://www.elvis.org/tickets/ticketsframe.html
Would love to check it out, but your URL doesn't work for me.


[Elvis ticket stub with line= reproduction is a false,blanket statement..
As far as I'm concerned, all that I've seen, including the ones in your "photos" are FAKE.


Some people read about history..some were there...sorry..[/B]
:lol:

If you only knew .................


[Let it go...let's get on another subject...obviously,you guys are not TICKET experts
I encourage you to prove me incorrect on this, but until then, I'm not budging.

Since you aren't either, ..................... like I said -----> this topic is indeed "old."


You know..it would seem that if I started a thread asking why some tickets have a diagonal line..and some don't..I would get some helpful feedback..
KNOWING that I said I went to this show..and used THIS ticket..the responses I get are that it's not genuine..
which means I'm Lying??..right??...
Please rememeber, ......... you said it, not me.


it's just kind of dissapointing when I get replies (including the moderator) like

Quote:
[I]"Exactly what I was trying to explain in the other forum. I saw a package of 20-25 tickets with slash in Memphis (early 80's) for sale as souvenirs. So I considered them fakes also...Hence, my skeptical focus on our hardcore resident "Wade - The Cup Man" Howard.They are strictly NOVELTY TICKETS / SOUVENIRS."

what the hell does that mean???..that I didn't go to the concert???

BTW...When asked..I supplied photos....I guess those are fakes too..
Only you really know what it means.



- Capt. "EL."

PS - TCB Wade, ............. you & I could have a lot of fun interacting with one another had you been allowed to remain over at FECC. However, since I am a "moderator" over here, ............ I am forced to contsrain my better instincts. ;)

That said, ............ if you know your ticket(s) are real ----------> then what does it matter what others say. Simply ENJOY!

[howardrobardhughes]

I encourage you to prove me incorrect on this, but until then, I'm not budging.First off, I don't live on this MB and you are not likely to get an immediate response to your posts within 2 minutes of posting them .............. or even in a few hours.I have already outlined my take on your "slashed" ticket / story and like I said before, I also have my own "opinions" about you as well. I must say, with time, you are holding true to form.As far as I'm concerned, all that I've seen, including the ones in your "photos" are FAKE- Capt. "EL.".



I went to the concert...with THAT ticket...all your vast Elvis internet knowledge is limited..
I'm finished arguing about it...It will never change...I personally think you're full of crap regarding this issue ....

...but I do enjoy the exchanges with you..

are we done now???..or do you want to keep this going??

let's bury the hatchet on this... :smoke:

TCB
Wade

[minni1]

[QUOTE=howardrobardhughes]I guess that because minni1 supposedly saw a packet of Elvis tickets in Memphis(I've NEVER seen these offered anywhere...I've bought/sold on EBAY since 1998)..that had lines on them...that my original ticket stub is fake??



Excuse me, HowardRobardHughes, or Wade, or whatever your name is, you need to take a step back. I never said anything about seeing a packet of Elvis tickets in Memphis. Please do not misrepresent or misquote me. It would be wise to get your facts straight before you try to present an argument, or whatever it is you are attempting to present.
Thank you!

[howardrobardhughes]

[QUOTE=minni1][QUOTE=howardrobardhughes]I guess that because minni1 supposedly saw a packet of Elvis tickets in Memphis(I've NEVER seen these offered anywhere...I've bought/sold on EBAY since 1998)..that had lines on them...that my original ticket stub is fake??



My Apologies....it was ***MIElvis*** not minni1....
minni1...sorry for the confusion.
Wade

[Captain Elwood David]

Wade -


I went to the concert...with THAT ticket...all your vast Elvis internet knowledge is limited..
Not sure exactly what you mean by "internet knowledge" .................... but your sarcasm registers loud & clear.


I'm finished arguing about it...It will never change...I personally think you're full of crap regarding this issue ....
I respect a straight-shooter, always have & always will.

On this note, I will take the opportunity to tell you that the feeling is mutual.


...but I do enjoy the exchanges with you..
As do I.


are we done now???..or do you want to keep this going??

let's bury the hatchet on this... :smoke:
Consider it buried.

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My final words on this tread:

Run-of-the-mill common concert tickets are not really a big deal to me. Ultimately, it really isn't worth arguing about "authenticity" issues with such trivial pieces - but that's just me.


- Capt. "EL."

[minni1]

[QUOTE=howardrobardhughes
My Apologies....it was ***MIElvis*** not minni1....
minni1...sorry for the confusion.
Wade[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Sorry to be touchy, I have no problem being accountable for anything I say, but not for what someone else says.

[SouthPaw]

Wow, Captain looks like you are having too much fun over here.... LOL

[Lonniebealestreet]

Aren't we all?

Hey, SouthPaw, I noticed the disappearing threads over at the other place. Last night, while this board was on again, off again, I read some things over there which brought back some warm and fuzzy feelings ;), and I said something to that effect. A minute later, my post was gone. A while after that, the whole thread was gone, along with another which perhaps some people felt too "revealing". :hmm:

Talk about fun! :P

[SouthPaw]

Yes sadly all my 'zingers' to DM disappeared before my eyes.

Why she continues to deny who LTS is amazing since she has been caught several times in her lies.

She had threatened me several time for revealing her identity and obviously went to the admin to remove all the posts.

Oh well, I lost no sleep over her and her 'friends'. Though interestingly enough her name has come up a lot lately with former friends of Elvis as being a celebrity stalker.

[Lonniebealestreet]

There seem to be some issues there...I better leave it at that.

I thought it odd last night when that happened that what I assumed were her requests to have certain things removed were being honored, when she was essentially a co-conspirator in certain related problems in the past, which themselves had to be removed. I had a hand in that, BTW. :flex: ;)

Maybe she threatened the admins with banning them for life from all future events at a certain house...which is actually a rather empty threat, when you consider it might not even be standing in a few short years, if things don't change. Slight exaggeration, but you know what I mean.

[SouthPaw]

Yeah, that one has really surprised me, you go out and buy a house that Elvis was actually connected with but do not spend the money to restore or repair the carport or swimming pool.

The only logical thing is she and her partners in their zeal to buy it overpaid for it by roughly $200,000, the average house only goes for 180,000 in the neighborhood.

I was offered it by her caretaker for the low low price of $350,000.00 in the condition it is in. EPE wanted to buy it and restore it but lost interest I have been told. Have you ever been in the Gary Pepper house next door?

[Lonniebealestreet]

Haven't been in it, no.

Is that the one which was on the market for what seemed like an eternity a few years back? And it had some Elvis cardboard standups and other things like that in the windows while it was vacant? (Or was that at Vernon's...I observed that on a couple separate trips a while back, but that was well before I ever went inside Vernon's, so I'm a little fuzzy on that.)

Anyway, how does it compare?

BTW, I wish EPE would buy it. I think it would be a nice addition to the tour...Have a little pathway through Graceland's back yard and go right through the gate.

[SouthPaw]

Yes, that is the same house. It was own by a lady Phyllis Callas (I believe is her last name) she was featured in Joe's DVD Best Friend Remembers, as one of the more unusal fans. She bought the house from Gary Pepper's family after his death. Gary was given the house from Elvis. Graceland Barn is directly behind his house and before EPE installed the new fences directly behind 1266 Dolan and her house. Elvis used to ride Rising Sun or his motorcycle up to their house and visit Gary.

The property that Vernon's old house stands on was once the back gate to Graceland before the gate was installed behind the offices of EPE (it was the former Church of Christ and a lot of fans didn't know the drive connected to the back of Elvis carport when he was alive, now LMP and Priscilla use it on occasion to come in undetected by fans to Graceland)

Phyllis dated Charlie Hodge and a few other MMM's in her prime. She was one of the original Gate Groupies. Her house was stuffed floor to ceiling with papers, clippings etc. She was also the lady on the DVD that claimed when she takes a shower Elvis appears on her bathroom mirror and she could see his image. She also showed me her sliding glass door that has frosted with his image because his ghost enjoyed coming to Gary's house so much. She is a wonderful lady though somewhat eccentric. She sold her home to a man last year and moved to the apartments down the street from EPE's offices that they own.

EPE expressed interest in Vernon's old home but DM wants too much money and with the needed repairs EPE will not spend the money for it.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Thanks for all the great info, SouthPaw. (y)

Must say, I am curious: how did the frosted image on the shower door look to you?

I wonder if I could use that drive to come in undetected... ;)

Regarding the needed repairs to the 'Vernon house', honestly if I were the owner and knew EPE to be seriously interested in acquiring it, well first of all, I would hopefully not have let it fall into such a state of disrepair. But if somehow I had, given EPE's resources and intentions, selling it to them at a reasonable price appropriately discounted by the cost of the needed work might be the way to go, rather than doing the work yourself, potentially ending up with results with which EPE might not be pleased. Plus, then you'd be asking for a higher price which alone could kill EPE's interest. But last I heard her say, they have not shown interest in some time. What does she say in defense of its current condition, if she does?

A side note...I have always assumed it was Gary Pepper Elvis was addressing in the July 5, 1976 Memphis show. (It's just a quick "How ya doin', Gary?" or maybe "Hey Gary, how ya doin'?") No way to know for sure, but it seems reasonable to assume...for whatever it's worth.

[SouthPaw]

Years ago before Elvis died, there was a gate that was open all the time, back by the pool house now it is gone replaced by the Graceland property fence. Phyllis had a ladder up behind the pool house you could climb and look over the fence. As far as being able to go on the propery undetected, I would not try. You and I think alike so I will let you into a little secret, :secret: as I was on the ladder I noticed there is motion detectors mounted on the barn and on the fence. I was surprised that EPE had actually gone to the expense and had taken the time to go to those extremes. (Now, the question is are they actually real or just fake to deter would be trespassers, like you and me from taking the free tour????)

You do get a very nice view of the back of the property and a very up close look at the barn, which I have always wondered why they have never let the fans see it too as part of the tour.
:'(

The pool house was actually were the "Stanley Boys" would rehearse when they were trying to have a band. Now trespassers to the Dolan house actually sleep there from time to time when passing by. Phyllis said she has actually caught fans in sleeping bags in the pool house from time to time.

EPE probably will not make the investment into the property for the fact it would be a major disturbance to the neighborhood since it is relatively a quiet area and Elvis actually didn't visit it that often since it was in fact the house built for Vernon and Dee. I suspect Elvis had them come to him mostly at Graceland. There is a nice relic from those days, the phone upstairs on the wall had a intercom button that rang into Graceland, since then it has been disconnected. I would suspect if DM gave it to them then they might use it for something but doubt they would spend any money for it. The upstairs balcony off the boys rooms has fallen off the back of the house. The carport main spport beam has broken in half.

As for Gary's house, the sliding door was in fact smoked but honestly I did not see the image of Elvis that Phyllis saw. She is as I have said somewhat eccentric in her appearance and demeanor, which is fine but with everything I guess I am more on the reserved side anymore when it comes to the people associated with Elvis.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Again thanks for your great insights. (Motion detectors--****! ;))


Elvis actually didn't visit it that often since it was in fact the house built for Vernon and Dee. I suspect Elvis had them come to him mostly at Graceland.
It had occurred to me that if EPE was not interested in Vernon's house for a reason beyond its current condition and other financial considerations, it would be that. Makes sense...the presentation of Elvis' parents' bedroom and then a house for Vernon and his second wife would probably not seem ideal to them.

As I haven't had a good look at it, I hadn't thought how the barn ought to be added to the tour. That's a nice idea.

The Dolan perspective of the Graceland property sure is a neat one.

[rex martin]

A poster brought up an interesting point..
why do some Elvis tickets have a Diagonal Line and some don't??..
He said that "fake " tickets have a line..but this CAN'T be true..since I've seen tons of real tickets with a diagonal line....and my personal ticket has a diagonal line...
yet some don't have diagonal line..
anyone know what it's for??..does this mean that it was a sold out concert???

The DIAGONAL LINE is for the people checking Tickets, when you enter the Arena.

i.e. OMAHA JUNE 30th 1974 (2 shows) and JULY 1st ( 1 show) the tickets are as follows....

30th June 74 (Afternoon Show) ticket = ONE Diagonal Line
30th June 74 (Evening Show) ticket = NO (zero) Diagonal Line
-1st July '74. (Evening Show) ticket = TWO Diagonal Lines.

when you have 1000s of fans entering for a show, you need to know they are using the correct days, or which concert tickets it is for that day... a Diagonal line is easier to see than look at the small print for the Date and Time of which show it is !

[peter]

To be honest - I´ve never thought about this theme, but the last comment by rex martin seems to be absolutely logic to me. :) When you have more than one show in one venue (two shows in one day or more than one show) you need to make them visibly different - it´s impossible to watch by organizers what time of show is on the ticket! Perfect and logic reason for me! Another reason that I could see as logic is to make a clear difference for sectors in hall.... different entrace to the hall for people on sectors on North side of venue or South side... some halls are made that you can get wherever you need from every entrance, but not all.... But that´s just what I think - my theory.... Rex´s version sounds perfect to me.

Another thing: that site (http://www.elvis.net/tickets/tickets77pm/tickets77pmframe.html) was that site that I´ve seen a lot of years ago with tickets past Memphis August shows! There really were already planned shows as you can see even for end of September 77...

[EnigmaticSun]

What is dagonial?