Mexican Sundial jumpsuit.

[presley31]

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Hidden messages in the Mexican Sundial jumpsuit?


Mayan calender hints at apocolypse, set for 2012.


Seven years ago, there was mass preparation for Y2K, alleged by some to be the end of the world. Believers scurried to save water and canned foods just in case the new millennium brought the immense devastation theories speculated. Again, we are faced with the timeless question of whether our world will endor not.

The highly intelligent Ancient Mayan civilization developed an intricate calendar which anticipated the end of their Great Cycle of the Long Count-better known as the apocalypse-on Dec. 21, 2012.

Some scholars believe the last day of the Mayan great cycle coincides with the Earth's destruction. A multitude of Mayan-calendar researchers and enthusiasts alike do not find the end of the "Great Cycle of the Long Count" to be a bad thing. Daniel Pinchbeck, author of "2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl," further examines the word 'apocalypse,' as it is falsely used to describe only the end of the world.

"Apocalypse literally means uncovering or revealing. I think the process is already under way. We're on the verge of transitioning to a dispensation of consciousness that's more intuitive, mystical and shamanic," Pinchbeck told New York Times Magazine.

The Mayan calendar is not as linear as our modern view on the passage of time. Rather, these ancient people charted repeating cycles based on the moon, sun and other celestial bodies. The mathematical calculations of the Mayans are still very accurate to this day, which is quite remarkable when one considers their lack of technology or modern tools.

According to survive2012.com, the Long Count is made up of 13 Baktuns; the count keeps a continuous record of consecutive days and restarts about every 5,000 years, during which a new Baktun begins. Currently, we are in the 13th and final Baktun of the Mayan Long Count, calculated to reach completion in 2012.

Despite the proposed end to be less than five years away, the general populace does not appear to be overly concerned. "I don't like to believe that anyone can predict the future," sophomore psychology major Caitlin Bizub said.

The discussion surrounding 2012 is extremely varied. On the possibility of catastrophes in the close future, Bizub added, "The way our world is heading now, it could be possible that there will be a devastating event in four years time. Maybe civil or nuclear wars will break out, but I don't think everyone will simultaneously combust into thin air." Some fear an onset of world wars or a meteor striking, while others still find hope in the prospect of new knowledge brought on by the end of an era.

John Major Jenkins, author of "Maya Cosmogenesis 2012: The True Meaning of the Maya Calendar End Date," finds the end of the Long Count to convey hope rather than destruction. "Personally, I think it's about transformation and renewal. It's certainly nothing as simplistic as the end of the world," he told New York Times Magazine.

"A lot of people are talking about apocalypse right now, but there's a deeper meditation that can and should happen around the end date. At any end-beginning nexus - at the dawn of a new religion or a spiritual tradition - you have this amazing opening. Revelations come down. There's a fresh awareness of what it means to be alive in the full light of history," Jenkins further commented on the earth's demise.

Will the conclusion of the Mayan calendar cycle become another large-scale apocalypse scare? One will simply have to wait and see the amount of media coverage and its effect on the general public as the time draws near.

To Vishal Shah, senior finance major, the notion of the apocalypse is quite daunting. He hopes this to be nothing but the next hoax, or else, "I spent $160,000 on school for no reason," he said.

December 23 2012

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Mayan History


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[TotallyInsane]

We just saw this suit UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL!! I got some FABULOUS pictures and will post tonight or tomorrow!!!! It really was a beautiful suit - for those of you who have seen it know it is GORGEOUS IN PERSON!!!

[Lonniebealestreet]

Indeed it is. I look forward to seeing your pics.

In fact...For some time I have been thinking I would like to get some sort of Elvis tattoo (on my thus far unadorned body) and I have been thinking it would be something kind of subtle that only fellow fans would get.

And just this past week it occurred to me that the Sundial, exactly as it appears on Elvis' suit -- the back of it anyway -- might just be what I have done. So if I do this, the more high-quality photos I have to show the tattoo artist, the better.

Sorry to digress...I couldn't agree more that in person the suit is really stunning. People who haven't seen it and aren't wild about the suit might think differently after viewing it up close.

Regarding this article, it has also been discussed here that some interpret Elvis' Sundial as a representation of the numbers 8 and 16, as in August 16, the day he died. Not to say I buy into that fully, but it has been discussed.

[cameron]

Someone posted that on Crawler once a long time ago. Leroy ?
Don't remember now. Don't ask me to explain it. :blink:



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/Aztec20Calendar20Stone.jpg

[Unchained Melody]

Really a stunning suit. To see it in person it's even better !

As for those who say there are "hidden messages" in the suit, that is bs imo.

[Suspicious Minds]

I thought the sundial suit was something to do with time.
Did Elvis know his time was near his end before August 1977?

[Lonniebealestreet]

Appropriate photo for the question you posed, right, as the lyric sheet was likely for My Way.

[utmom2008]

Sorry to digress...I couldn't agree more that in person the suit is really stunning. People who haven't seen it and aren't wild about the suit might think differently after viewing it up close.


Gail and I stood and studied it very close for a long time. I made the comment that it was a shame that for many of us(me), it has a negative connotation attached to it. We both agreed though that it was an odd choice for a man who was carrying much of his weight in the stomach area. They obviously had it pinned in the back as it didn't really look any bigger than the 1970 jumpsuits. We tried to picture how it would have looked on him around 70 or 71.....needless to say, it was a beautiful picture!:notworthy:notworthy:king::king:

[Unchained Melody]

Did Elvis know his time was near his end before August 1977?

Do any of us know when our time is near. No!

Elvis was no exception. The man was excercising and getting ready for the next tour, sure he knew he was in pretty bad health and was overweight but I don't think he thought he would die.

Honestly, I believe he thought he was indestructable. But as August 16th 1977 proved us, that was not the case !

[Unchained Melody]

We both agreed though that it was an odd choice for a man who was carrying much of his weight in the stomach area. :notworthy:notworthy:king::king:

By 1977, Elvis had no interest at all in his stage attire, so he relied on the Sundial for much of the year. And at the end, sometimes he would alternate it with the 1974 Arabian suite !

It had nothing to do with signs connecting the suit with the day he would die or anything like that imo, just he wasn't interested in reinventing anything or changing things around!

[Tony Trout]

As for those who say there are "hidden messages" in the suit, that is bs imo.



Agree 100%!!




By 1977, Elvis had no interest at all in his stage attire, so he relied on the Sundial for much of the year. And at the end, sometimes he would alternate it with the 1974 Arabian suite !

It had nothing to do with signs connecting the suit with the day he would die or anything like that imo, just he wasn't interested in reinventing anything or changing things around!



Bingo! Once again, people are reading something into the Mexican Sundial suit that has nothing to do with his death in the least. And it still amazes me that most fans don't seem to realize that he wore the suit for the first time in 1974 in Lake Tahoe. I still think he should have chose another suit to wear in '77 that would have fit him better, also.





Did Elvis know his time was near his end before August 1977?


No.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Gail and I stood and studied it very close for a long time. I made the comment that it was a shame that for many of us(me), it has a negative connotation attached to it. We both agreed though that it was an odd choice for a man who was carrying much of his weight in the stomach area. They obviously had it pinned in the back as it didn't really look any bigger than the 1970 jumpsuits. We tried to picture how it would have looked on him around 70 or 71.....needless to say, it was a beautiful picture!

Funny, I made a very similar comment recently here (http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=54456&c=35).

The pinning of the suit that you mention...I have always observed (or figured) that as well, but I've also always thought that the degree to which that is done would probably surprise many as I don't think the man was nearly as big as people think.

You know, for some time the suit was displayed with its back side facing the people...And I just wouldn't think that on those suits they would want to do a lot of pinning or hemming or whatever -- my point being that if it is hemmed and they decided to show the opposite side they would need to undo it in one side and do it to the other. (Wait...is it still that way?)

I wonder if Leroy or anyone else could speak to this. However they do it, it certainly isn't very apparent. It seems like that and a few other suits do appear somewhat larger than the rest, but not by any great extent. Is there any chance that they are actually presented "as-is"?

Gosh, I was there less than six months ago. I should have a better handle on this.:doh:

[cameron]

I thought the sundial suit was something to do with time.
Did Elvis know his time was near his end before August 1977?

I don't think Elvis knew any more than the rest of us exactly when he would die ie; the date . Many people have "feelings" or premonitions that their time is getting near. I've seen them proven right more than once. Obviously, he was aware his health was not good. But, he wore that jumpsuit a lot in the last years .
I don't know much about astrology or the numbers on that jumpsuit.
But, it's interesting to look at . Doesn't hurt a thing,IMO. ;)

[utmom2008]

Gail and I tried to study ALL the suits that day and figure out what was done to them. We were looking at alot of the 1970 TTWII suits and we kept commenting on how TINY they were. We felt like they had to have been taken in a touch at the waist as well. Sure enough..we finally found one at just the right angle and we were able to see where it had been pulled in and pinned at the waist.:blush::blush:I just wonder why they felt the need to do that??:blink::blink: One other observation that I had......Elvis was really hard on his boots.:P:P I'm sure that sounds funny,:lol: but his boots showed alot of wear and tear.:supriced::lol::blink::lol:

[Lonniebealestreet]

That is bizarre. Well, I guess if they felt the need to do that to the 1970 suits then the ones from '77 definitely got that treatment.

That sure is a head-scratcher though. I mean the guy had like a 32-inch waist at the time, right? Plus by making those smaller of course the bigger ones would look that much bigger.

[utmom2008]

That is bizarre. Well, I guess if they felt the need to do that to the 1970 suits then the ones from '77 definitely got that treatment.

That sure is a head-scratcher though. I mean the guy had like a 32-inch waist at the time, right? Plus by making those smaller of course the bigger ones would look that much bigger.

That is EXACTLY what I said also. If you do one from 1970 then there is NO choice as to doing it to the 1977 suits. I think in 1970 that a 32-inch waist was the largest his waist ever got. I have heard 30 and 31 thrown out there as well.:blink::blink::blink:

[utmom2008]

I think these pics show the difference in how Elvis looked from the back, as opposed to how he looked from the front. His weight was sure on his front..and not his backside.

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[franny]

Thanks, for posting Jen. (y) It's a beautitful jumpsuit!
I don't think there's any "hidden messages" in that suit, either...

franny

[cameron]

The belly, fluid retention goes with his colon problem, diabetis,, cotisone .Very sick puppy. :(
I always thought those jumpsuits looked too small .I couldn't really tell, just assumed they'd been pinned back-- or else he fooled us all. ;)

[Unchained Melody]

Agree 100%!!
I still think he should have chose another suit to wear in '77 that would have fit him better, also.


There were plenty of suits' he could've fit into in '77.

The Chief aka Old Indian Feather, the White Rainfall, Blue Swirl etc.

[Unchained Melody]

Plus by making those smaller of course the bigger ones would look that much bigger.

And don't forget how the belts on the later suits' made him look even bigger.

[Cryogenic]

Hidden messages in the Mexican Sundial jumpsuit?

No, not really.

The main message is TOLERANCE / ACCEPTANCE, I think. Of other people and other cultures -- which was a pretty big priority for Elvis (e.g. "If I Can Dream", "Aloha From Hawaii").

That said, it's ironic that Elvis is wearing a suit to do with time in EIC. Visually, it calls to mind his past achievements in time, as well as his fateful future. It's very different from saying there is a specific message about this future, however.


Again, we are faced with the timeless question of whether our world will endor not.

Operative word there: TIMELESS.

This speculation / "prediction" is as old as the human race itself.

At some point, it's very possible that the species and world will end. In fact, the latter is certain. But we might have a hand in speeding it up. Anything else -- i.e. the world "will" end at x or y -- is superstitious hogwash at its finest.


The highly intelligent Ancient Mayan civilization developed an intricate calendar which anticipated the end of their Great Cycle of the Long Count-better known as the apocalypse-on Dec. 21, 2012.

This conclusion seems highly suspect to me -- i.e. I don't even know if the Mayans are being rerepresented correctly. Ancient cultures and societies are fascinating and all had their fanciful beliefs. Whether the attribution to such people is entirely correct or not, the prediction itself is pseudo-mythical BS.


A multitude of Mayan-calendar researchers and enthusiasts alike do not find the end of the "Great Cycle of the Long Count" to be a bad thing. Daniel Pinchbeck, author of "2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl," further examines the word 'apocalypse,' as it is falsely used to describe only the end of the world.

"Apocalypse literally means uncovering or revealing. I think the process is already under way. We're on the verge of transitioning to a dispensation of consciousness that's more intuitive, mystical and shamanic," Pinchbeck told New York Times Magazine.

Touchy-feely, pie-in-the-sky, anti-intellectual nonsense. Pinchbeck could be right about a general decline in scientific and rational thinking and a reversion to superstition and mysticism, but humanity's consciousness may yet become more knowledge and reason based ............. it's really up to us. The Internet is an optimistic step forward.


The Mayan calendar is not as linear as our modern view on the passage of time. Rather, these ancient people charted repeating cycles based on the moon, sun and other celestial bodies.

The mathematical calculations of the Mayans are still very accurate to this day, which is quite remarkable when one considers their lack of technology or modern tools.

Yep, it's called ASTRONOMY -- and we are far better at it today.

The Mayans may have been extraordinary in their time, but astrology (i.e. superstition) and astronomy (i.e. science) were fallaciously interlinked in antiquity and through the Middle Ages until Kepler and his Three Laws of Planetary Motion, little more than a few hundred years ago.

In short, we have advanced beyond the small-minded, fearful, superstition-bound, human-centric thinking of the past. But it's been a tough journey -- and many are still behind.



In fact...For some time I have been thinking I would like to get some sort of Elvis tattoo (on my thus far unadorned body) and I have been thinking it would be something kind of subtle that only fellow fans would get.

Not really into tattoos, but I like your thinking. If I was to get one, it might be some (smaller) version of the Aztec Calendar, in homage to EIC and the 77 Elvis.


Regarding this article, it has also been discussed here that some interpret Elvis' Sundial as a representation of the numbers 8 and 16, as in August 16, the day he died. Not to say I buy into that fully, but it has been discussed.

Yep ...... stones and patterns are arrayed in 8's and 16's (16 being 2 x 8). It's a nice little coincidence, I'll grant you. But as Doctor Who presciently observed, human beings are very good at seeing patterns that aren't there. If Elvis had died after wearing the "Aloha" suit, some fans would be seeing things on that suit, or saying he deliberately "clipped his wings" or somesuch.

In this, I'm not saying there weren't messages Elvis wasn't trying to get across -- but it's a matter of what messages and for which reasons. Planning / foreseeing his death is an extreme interpretation that doesn't have any corroborating evidence. Extraordinary claims require extrarodinary proof.


The belly, fluid retention goes with his colon problem, diabetis,, cotisone .Very sick puppy. :(

Well, he wasn't on top form ....... but he wasn't about to keel over and die, either. This is more MYTH. For one, he didn't have diabetes. For two, he purposefully (if maybe accidentally) overdosed in the privacy of his own home. Before this act, he was still a lucid and agile (albeit troubled and chemically dependent) 42 year old. It hardly needs saying, but his death marked a tragic waste.

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I didn't mean to sound harsh in any of the above. Just trying to set a few things into perspective. It's not my favourite jumpsuit, but I really like the Aztec Suit. I find it great that Elvis adorned himself in these exotic motifs.

[TotallyInsane]

For two, he purposefully (if maybe accidentally) overdosed in the privacy of his own home.

I do not for one minute think he purposely overdosed!!

[cameron]

For two, he purposefully (if maybe accidentally) overdosed in the privacy of his own home.

I do not for one minute think he purposely overdosed!!

Me either ! Don't make me come after you, Cryogenic. ;)

And there's an awful lot of legal agencies that say he was diabetic.
http://www.refresharticles.com/articles/diabetes/celebrities_get_diabetes_too.txt
:hmm: You'd think EPE might sue them ?

[utmom2008]

For two, he purposefully (if maybe accidentally) overdosed in the privacy of his own home.

How in the world do you "accidently purposefully" overdose? How does anyone do something accidently on purpose??? :wacko::wacko::wacko:


For two, he purposefully (if maybe accidentally) overdosed in the privacy of his own home.

I do not for one minute think he purposely overdosed!!

Amen to that sister!(y)(y)


Me either !

Again...all together now: Amen to that!(y)

[Tony Trout]

Gail and I tried to study ALL the suits that day and figure out what was done to them. We were looking at alot of the 1970 TTWII suits and we kept commenting on how TINY they were. We felt like they had to have been taken in a touch at the waist as well. Sure enough..we finally found one at just the right angle and we were able to see where it had been pulled in and pinned at the waist.:blush::blush:I just wonder why they felt the need to do that??:blink::blink:


Why? Simple explanation: It was done (at least...in my opinion) so that the suit would "fit" the mannequin properly.

[utmom2008]

Why? Simple explanation: It was done (at least...in my opinion) so that the suit would "fit" the mannequin properly.

Except that you can get mannequins in any size you need. So...they had little bitty mannequins(thru the waist and hips).:blink:

[Tony Trout]

Except that you can get mannequins in any size you need. So...they had little bitty mannequins(thru the waist and hips).:blink:



True. Reckon EPE is still trying to make the fans believe that Elvis was always slim and svelte (sp?) rocker of the 1950s and '60s??

[The King's Queen]

True. Reckon EPE is still trying to make the fans believe that Elvis was always slim and svelte (sp?) rocker of the 1950s and '60s??

Well mercy sakes...if this is the case, how are they going to explain all of the pictures/footage of him while he was bloated looking and obviously a tad overweight??? :doh::blink:

[Tony Trout]

Well mercy sakes...if this is the case, how are they going to explain all of the pictures/footage of him while he was bloated looking and obviously a tad overweight??? :doh::blink:



They would prolly still tell you he was thin as a rake.

[Cryogenic]

Me either ! Don't make me come after you, Cryogenic. ;)

And there's an awful lot of legal agencies that say he was diabetic.
http://www.refresharticles.com/articles/diabetes/celebrities_get_diabetes_too.txt
:hmm: You'd think EPE might sue them ?

By this paradoxical statement, I mean he committed a sort of accidental suicide. He willfully upped the dosage because he was stressed out (and it wasn't the first time he'd done this), but he didn't actually intend to kill himself. He was looking forward to the next tour, but he also didn't think he could make it without a lot of chemical help. Sadly, this only proved everything Red and Sonny West had just said.

There are several sites that contain references to Elvis being diabetic. As I understand it, he wasn't. He had elevated blood sugar levels; not diabetes. Of course, poor diet is a sure way of developing it later on, so he would have had to watch for that, if he was capable. But he didn't have diabetes when he died. The man had health issues, just not on the scale of what is sometimes said.

All of this is really off-topic, however. I'll leave it there.

[The King's Queen]

They would prolly still tell you he was thin as a rake.

:blink: NO doubt! Sometimes they treat us like mushrooms...They keep us in the dark and feed us lots of crap! :supriced::doh:;):lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

but he also didn't think he could make it without a lot of chemical help. Sadly, this only proved everything Red and Sonny West had just said.


And yet the fan's still say how Red & Sonny just lied and made up all that etc and bash them like no other. It amazes me how some fan's simply can't accept the truth. He had several different drugs in his system when he died, some with extreme amounts.

And as for the overdoes, I do beleive it was an accidental overdoes yes ! The way Elvis took his medicine, mixing so many different types of pills with one another, taking lethal amounts, it's crazy at how careless he really was with it all.

[utmom2008]

:blink: NO doubt! Sometimes they treat us like mushrooms...They keep us in the dark and feed us lots of crap! :supriced::doh:;):lmfao::lmfao:

You must be watching The Departed!!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[cameron]

By this paradoxical statement, I mean he committed a sort of accidental suicide. He willfully upped the dosage because he was stressed out (and it wasn't the first time he'd done this), but he didn't actually intend to kill himself. He was looking forward to the next tour, but he also didn't think he could make it without a lot of chemical help. Sadly, this only proved everything Red and Sonny West had just said.

The man had health issues, just not on the scale of what is sometimes said.

All of this is really off-topic, however. I'll leave it there.


The last known look into that autopsy says something different.
From Dr Joseph Davis ,1994.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lh2UflQj9xUC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=dr+joseph+davis+on+elvis+death&source=web&ots=8TNWfj-4EX&sig=0TNBvQ995nEolP37kqXL_6N8HiM&hl=en

Don't even get me started on the Wests. ;)

You're right ,it is off topic; but I didn't bring this up.

[cameron]

And yet the fan's still say how Red & Sonny just lied and made up all that etc and bash them like no other. It amazes me how some fan's simply can't accept the truth. He had several different drugs in his system when he died, some with extreme amounts.


The last known look into that autopsy says something different.
From Dr Joseph Davis .1994.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lh2UflQj9xUC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=dr+joseph+davis+on+elvis+death&source=web&ots=8TNWfj-4EX&sig=0TNBvQ995nEolP37kqXL_6N8HiM&hl=en

Don't even get me started on the Wests.
It really is amazing how some can't accept the truth.;)

Of course, we're off topic here. :blink:

[Joe Car]

Just to add to this thread, in late June of 77, Elvis was as thin as he had been in a long time, look at this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FUof2EAzo

[Getlo]

At some point, it's very possible that the species and world will end.

It's more than possible, it's definite!

The Sun has an approximate life left of five billion years before it goes supernova, eventually expanding out past Pluto and engulfing our solar system before, presumably, turning into a black hole.

The earth - and every remnant of human civilisation - will be wiped out long before that. The Universe won't even show that we were ever here. (I find that strangely comforting). :D

Unless, of course, humans manage to stumble upon a transport system that gets us close to the speed of light, and we colonise other planets far away from here. Which, at this stage, is impossible.

As for the Mayan Calendar meaning a possible end to the world in 2012 ... no.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/04/15/2217547.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience

[Lonniebealestreet]

Not really into tattoos, but I like your thinking. If I was to get one, it might be some (smaller) version of the Aztec Calendar, in homage to EIC and the 77 Elvis.
Right on. That would be exactly what it would be about in my case.


Yep ...... stones and patterns are arrayed in 8's and 16's (16 being 2 x 8). It's a nice little coincidence, I'll grant you. But as Doctor Who presciently observed, human beings are very good at seeing patterns that aren't there. If Elvis had died after wearing the "Aloha" suit, some fans would be seeing things on that suit, or saying he deliberately "clipped his wings" or somesuch.
That's so true about seeing patterns, and in defense of kooky people :lol: I think that actually is in our chemistry as much as it is about people just wanting to believe certain things; both are definitely at play. But it's almost Vulcan to not do that to some degree, even though reason or logic or common sense may always win out.


In this, I'm not saying there weren't messages Elvis wasn't trying to get across -- but it's a matter of what messages and for which reasons. Planning / foreseeing his death is an extreme interpretation that doesn't have any corroborating evidence. Extraordinary claims require extrarodinary proof.I didn't mean to sound harsh in any of the above. Just trying to set a few things into perspective. It's not my favourite jumpsuit, but I really like the Aztec Suit. I find it great that Elvis adorned himself in these exotic motifs.
Well said, as always, Cryo.

[Lonniebealestreet]

It's more than possible, it's definite!

The Sun has an approximate life left of five billion years before it goes supernova, eventually expanding out past Pluto and engulfing our solar system before, presumably, turning into a black hole.

The earth - and every remnant of human civilisation - will be wiped out long before that. The Universe won't even show that we were ever here. (I find that strangely comforting). :D

Unless, of course, humans manage to stumble upon a transport system that gets us close to the speed of light, and we colonise other planets far away from here. Which, at this stage, is impossible.

As for the Mayan Calendar meaning a possible end to the world in 2012 ... no.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/04/15/2217547.htm?site=science/greatmomentsinscience
Yeah, it sucks to be us. :lol:

In all seriousness, this is indisputable. Neither comforting nor disconcerting to me.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Just to add to this thread, in late June of 77, Elvis was as thin as he had been in a long time, look at this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FUof2EAzo
Joe, I've always thought Elvis looked really good in that footage as well.

However, in concert video from the time he doesn't look nearly that fit, though better than he had say in the previous summer. I guess that's mostly a matter of the tracksuits being more flattering, though he seems not too puffy in the face either.

In his last couple of shows I would say he looked a bit healthier than he did in Omaha and Rapid City, but that just speaks to the yo-yoing that his weight was going through during those times...not quite an indication of good health. Glad his weight was probably on the down-side of one of those cycles at the end though, rather than climbing up, as has been alleged -- to a grotesque degree.

[4THEHEART]

no need to look for hidden messages,Mayan history,their prophecies and that calendar,those were some of the subjects Elvis was interested in so it is normal he used this motive on a suit..but don't think Elvis gave much of a thought for special patterns in his suits to hide some of his extra pounds and except abdomen area yes my blinded eyes can't see much, in his arms, legs and waist area specially looking from the rear angle..not a typical case of overweight..it looks more like a probable liver related problem which caused that look..so my being a fan don't change my mind on this,never cared if he was thin or bloated except for health matters..sometimes I wish he was here among us, fat or thin.. then again I guess being alive in this planet is not a good choice any longer,can't wish such a thing about him..:'(
as for 2012,yes in our understanding it should be a major changing like a sudden disappearing and such..but as I can understand, that's about a new beginning which has begun already..hopefully!!;)
another one is about the dates of our death which seems unknown to us as long as we don't decide to end it ourselves but it doesn't change the truth that our senses can tell us of a coming end,it happens.. yet no one would cancel anything even if they know it's soon..well, I wouldn't..for that could be boring to wait for the last minute to come..:P

[KPM]

And yet the fan's still say how Red & Sonny just lied and made up all that etc and bash them like no other. It amazes me how some fan's simply can't accept the truth. He had several different drugs in his system when he died, some with extreme amounts.

And as for the overdoes, I do beleive it was an accidental overdoes yes ! The way Elvis took his medicine, mixing so many different types of pills with one another, taking lethal amounts, it's crazy at how careless he really was with it all.
The type of death he died was not an overdose (as I have said in the past.) He did not go to sleep, slip into an overdose coma and then his heart slowly stopped-peacefully. That would be how anyone would die who died from an overdose of mainly downer type medications. All accounts say a "violent heart attack"-he was awake, was stricken, lurched up and forward and moved a few feet and died. The state ordered 1994 review of his death and autopsy concluded drugs did not cause his death on that night. They did say long term drug dependency had contributed to his weakened health.
I'm not sure how the topic got into this thread about the Mexican Sundial Suit but wanted to voice my thoughts.

[4THEHEART]

thanks for the thoughts KPM..

[rickb]

He had trimmed down by the end of the tour, as often happened.
He also weighed less in June than in the middle of 1976

[TotallyInsane]

no need to look for hidden messages,Mayan history,their prophecies and that calendar,those were some of the subjects Elvis was interested in so it is normal he used this motive on a suit..but don't think Elvis gave much of a thought for special patterns in his suits to hide some of his extra pounds and except abdomen area yes my blinded eyes can't see much, in his arms, legs and waist area specially looking from the rear angle..not a typical case of overweight..it looks more like a probable liver related problem which caused that look..so my being a fan don't change my mind on this,never cared if he was thin or bloated except for health matters..sometimes I wish he was here among us, fat or thin.. then again I guess being alive in this planet is not a good choice any longer,can't wish such a thing about him..:'(
as for 2012,yes in our understanding it should be a major changing like a sudden disappearing and such..but as I can understand, that's about a new beginning which has begun already..hopefully!!;)
another one is about the dates of our death which seems unknown to us as long as we don't decide to end it ourselves but it doesn't change the truth that our senses can tell us of a coming end,it happens.. yet no one would cancel anything even if they know it's soon..well, I wouldn't..for that could be boring to wait for the last minute to come..:P

HUH????????????????????

[elvis7791]

Ep Take Lively To Live As Every One But There Is Always Something Strange With This Man...what He Did And What He Act Is Something Fabulous And Surnatural...you Know This Is A Real Ep The Legend...

[Getlo]

And as for the overdoes, I do beleive it was an accidental overdoes yes ! The way Elvis took his medicine, mixing so many different types of pills with one another, taking lethal amounts, it's crazy at how careless he really was with it all.

Elvis Presley did not die of an overdose, accidental or otherwise! :mad:

He had been using the stuff for years, and was quite conversant about dosages, amounts, usage etc etc

He would not have made a fatal mistake after using the stuff for nearly 20 years.

[Tony Trout]

Elvis Presley did not die of an overdose, accidental or otherwise! :mad:

He had been using the stuff for years, and was quite conversant about dosages, amounts, usage etc etc

He would not have made a fatal mistake after using the stuff for nearly 20 years.


I agree, Getlo. He knew what he was doin'.

[utmom2008]

HUH????????????????????

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Elvis Presley did not die of an overdose, accidental or otherwise! :mad:


He would not have made a fatal mistake after using the stuff for nearly 20 years.


I agree, Getlo. He knew what he was doin'.

Thanks guys..I agree with you 200%!(y)(y)

[Cryogenic]

It's more than possible, it's definite!

Yes, which is why I wrote:


At some point, it's very possible that the species and world will end. In fact, the latter is certain.

It may have been a clumsy approach. I went about it that way to actually place more emphasis on the latter concept. Oh, well.


The Sun has an approximate life left of five billion years before it goes supernova, eventually expanding out past Pluto and engulfing our solar system before, presumably, turning into a black hole.

Actually, this is incorrect. The sun is predicted to expand to a red giant and encompass a diameter of some 2 AU (Astronomical Units) or ~300 million km. This will cause it to engulf the current region of space occupied by the rocky inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars). The sun is not massive enough to rapidly condense and go supernova. It will also not condense to form a black hole, but a larger, less massive white dwarf. I'm not a scientist, but my answers can be checked; any credible science book or website will disseminate these basic facts.


The earth - and every remnant of human civilisation - will be wiped out long before that. The Universe won't even show that we were ever here. (I find that strangely comforting). :D

As do I. :D

Hey! We're in agreement on something!

It also has profound consequences for life elsewhere in the universe. At present, we have no way of knowing how many other lifeforms and civilisations may already have been wiped out in one way or another. The very concept is mind boggling. As for us . . .

Any number of things could bring about our destruction. The biggest threat is us; we are a tremendous danger to ourselves. But nature has any number of ways to make us extremely uncomfortable or obliterate us entirely. Therefore, if we wish to survive, we must sweeten the odds. Compassion and education are key, which must, in turn, bring about fundamental changes to the way we do things (in every sphere of human existence). That's why the Internet is a hopeful step. It's new. It connects us. It changes the way we do things. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited to be living at this time.


Unless, of course, humans manage to stumble upon a transport system that gets us close to the speed of light, and we colonise other planets far away from here. Which, at this stage, is impossible.

You just said the magic words: "at this stage". We came from the stars -- and if we don't fail -- we will return to them.


That's so true about seeing patterns, and in defense of kooky people :lol: I think that actually is in our chemistry as much as it is about people just wanting to believe certain things; both are definitely at play.

Yes, our biology is rich and intricate, but also fantastically limiting. For example, our eyes and visual cortex can play many tricks on us -- i.e. optical illusions. At this stage, we cannot engineer our bodies to prevent or ameliorate these illusions. We must rely on our intellect, and the things our intellect can build us (i.e. technology), to overcome our limitations.


Well said, as always, Cryo.

Thanks, Lonnie. (y)



Elvis Presley did not die of an overdose, accidental or otherwise! :mad:

He had been using the stuff for years, and was quite conversant about dosages, amounts, usage etc etc

He would not have made a fatal mistake after using the stuff for nearly 20 years.


I agree, Getlo. He knew what he was doin'.

Sorry ............ he thought he knew what he was doing.

There's a difference.

He was a man in denial.

He had already had some brushes with death, but carried on without revising his attitude. He had a Physician's Desk Reference, which he thought made him sufficiently knowledgeable about the drugs he was taking. Dr Nick and others have commented on Elvis' child-like approach to many aspects of his life, from his uninhibited singing, which gave us all this glorious art, to more serious interpersonal matters like his handling of guns, finances and women. Drugs were handled the same way (i.e. with great naivete and always wanting more).

Elvis had intelligence, charisma and guile. He could find ways of getting what he wanted when he really wanted it. But these attributes didn't make him infallible. His means may have been shrewd, but they were working towards a badly informed end. The culmination of Elvis' knowledge and ignorance was August 16th. The calendar numerically resonates with that date, but doesn't point to it directly, nor was Elvis planning to die at any point. In the end, he was done in by his own nature, which he failed to overcome. Now apply that sentiment to what I said about the human race and our planet. His life has many lessons for us all.

[cameron]

He was a man in denial.

He had already had some brushes with death, but carried on without revising his attitude. He had a Physician's Desk Reference, which he thought made him sufficiently knowledgeable about the drugs he was taking. Dr Nick and others have commented on Elvis' child-like approach to many aspects of his life, from his uninhibited singing, which gave us all this glorious art, to more serious interpersonal matters like his handling of guns, finances and women. Drugs were handled the same way (i.e. with great naivete and always wanting more).

Elvis had intelligence, charisma and guile. He could find ways of getting what he wanted when he really wanted it. But these attributes didn't make him infallible. His means may have been shrewd, but they were working towards a badly informed end. The culmination of Elvis' knowledge and ignorance was August 16th. The calendar numerically resonates with that date, but doesn't point to it directly, nor was Elvis planning to die at any point. In the end, he was done in by his own nature, which he failed to overcome. Now apply that sentiment to what I said about the human race and our planet. His life has many lessons for us all.

We're all in denial in our own way. ;)
Elvis could quite possibly have been well aware of his approaching death.
{We all should be,IMO.} I'm not saying he chose to wear that suit for that purpose , but who knows what anothers subconscious tells them?

I've just always hoped we don't think our "Knowledge" takes the place of our wisdom and compassion.

[Cryogenic]

We're all in denial in our own way. ;)
Elvis could quite possibly have been well aware of his approaching death.
{We all should be,IMO.} I'm not saying he chose to wear that suit for that purpose , but who knows what anothers subconscious tells them?

I've just always hoped we don't think our "Knowledge" takes the place of our wisdom and compassion.

Those are some wise thoughts of your own, Cameron.

Indeed, we're all in denial about many things .... even when we desperately try not to be (perhaps especially in such times). With each year that passes, I become more grimly aware of this.

The subconscious is a strange, thorny realm, barely understood. In a sense, it doesn't even exist -- it's just a helpful (or unhelpful) umbrella term for a whole lot of machinery we don't understand. It is very possible Elvis' "subconscious" was "telling" him certain things; it's just pretty much impossible to know.

"Wisdom" is actually a word I associate with knowledge and compassion as mutually entwined entities. It's not the sort of word I think should be used often (for it is used recklessly, I feel). Fundamentally, I agree with the spirit of your post; it just doesn't change the reality of Elvis' death.

[cameron]

Those are some wise thoughts of your own, Cameron.

Indeed, we're all in denial about many things .... even when we desperately try not to be (perhaps especially in such times). With each year that passes, I become more grimly aware of this.

The subconscious is a strange, thorny realm, barely understood. In a sense, it doesn't even exist -- it's just a helpful (or unhelpful) umbrella term for a whole lot of machinery we don't understand. It is very possible Elvis' "subconscious" was "telling" him certain things; it's just pretty much impossible to know.

"Wisdom" is actually a word I associate with knowledge and compassion as mutually entwined entities. It's not the sort of word I think should be used often (for it is used recklessly, I feel). Fundamentally, I agree with the spirit of your post; it just doesn't change the reality of Elvis' death.



Wisdom is having gained knowledge, experience, discretion, and intuitive understanding, along with a capacity to apply these qualities well. It is the judicious application of knowledge ;)

[The King's Queen]

Wisdom is having gained knowledge, experience, discretion, and intuitive understanding, along with a capacity to apply these qualities well. It is the judicious application of knowledge ;)

For the love of Elvis...why don't you quit beating around the bush and give us your REAL opinion Cameron...;);):lol::lmfao::lmfao:

[cameron]

For the love of Elvis...why don't you quit beating around the bush and give us your REAL opinion Cameron...;);):lol::lmfao::lmfao:

I like this boy . I think he's very smart and a great thinker .
Just want him to know there's a difference. :P
He's got a very promising life ahead of him.

[The King's Queen]

I like this boy . I think he's very smart and a great thinker .
Just want him to know there's a difference. :P
He's got a very promising life ahead of him.

Just thought I'd try to 'rattle your cage' a little bit tonight...;););)

[utmom2008]

I like this boy . I think he's very smart and a great thinker .
Just want him to know there's a difference. :P
He's got a very promising life ahead of him.

That may well be true..as is the possibility that his significant other may want to invest in a good set of earplugs at some point and time.;):lol::lmfao:

[utmom2008]

Just thought I'd try to 'rattle your cage' a little bit tonight...;););)

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[cameron]

That may well be true..as is the possibility that his significant other may want to invest in a good set of earplugs at some point and time.;):lol::lmfao:

If he's as smart as I believe him to be; he'll find someone that disagrees with him. :)
She can teach him all the rest and give him a run for his money.
Then, he'll have wisdom. ;)

[The King's Queen]

That may well be true..as is the possibility that his significant other may want to invest in a good set of earplugs at some point and time.;):lol::lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao: An investment in the drug company that makes Xanax wouldn't be a bad idea either...as it could be profitable in the long run! :supriced:;););):lmfao::lmfao:

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, which is why I wrote:



It may have been a clumsy approach. I went about it that way to actually place more emphasis on the latter concept. Oh, well.



Actually, this is incorrect. The sun is predicted to expand to a red giant and encompass a diameter of some 2 AU (Astronomical Units) or ~300 million km. This will cause it to engulf the current region of space occupied by the rocky inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars). The sun is not massive enough to rapidly condense and go supernova. It will also not condense to form a black hole, but a larger, less massive white dwarf. I'm not a scientist, but my answers can be checked; any credible science book or website will disseminate these basic facts.



As do I. :D

Hey! We're in agreement on something!

It also has profound consequences for life elsewhere in the universe. At present, we have no way of knowing how many other lifeforms and civilisations may already have been wiped out in one way or another. The very concept is mind boggling. As for us . . .

Any number of things could bring about our destruction. The biggest threat is us; we are a tremendous danger to ourselves. But nature has any number of ways to make us extremely uncomfortable or obliterate us entirely. Therefore, if we wish to survive, we must sweeten the odds. Compassion and education are key, which must, in turn, bring about fundamental changes to the way we do things (in every sphere of human existence). That's why the Internet is a hopeful step. It's new. It connects us. It changes the way we do things. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited to be living at this time.



You just said the magic words: "at this stage". We came from the stars -- and if we don't fail -- we will return to them.



Yes, our biology is rich and intricate, but also fantastically limiting. For example, our eyes and visual cortex can play many tricks on us -- i.e. optical illusions. At this stage, we cannot engineer our bodies to prevent or ameliorate these illusions. We must rely on our intellect, and the things our intellect can build us (i.e. technology), to overcome our limitations.



Thanks, Lonnie. (y)





Sorry ............ he thought he knew what he was doing.

There's a difference.

He was a man in denial.

He had already had some brushes with death, but carried on without revising his attitude. He had a Physician's Desk Reference, which he thought made him sufficiently knowledgeable about the drugs he was taking. Dr Nick and others have commented on Elvis' child-like approach to many aspects of his life, from his uninhibited singing, which gave us all this glorious art, to more serious interpersonal matters like his handling of guns, finances and women. Drugs were handled the same way (i.e. with great naivete and always wanting more).

Elvis had intelligence, charisma and guile. He could find ways of getting what he wanted when he really wanted it. But these attributes didn't make him infallible. His means may have been shrewd, but they were working towards a badly informed end. The culmination of Elvis' knowledge and ignorance was August 16th. The calendar numerically resonates with that date, but doesn't point to it directly, nor was Elvis planning to die at any point. In the end, he was done in by his own nature, which he failed to overcome. Now apply that sentiment to what I said about the human race and our planet. His life has many lessons for us all.

Agreed with you Cryogenic as per-usual ;) !

He most certainly was a man in denial. As long as he had that Doctor's signature on his prescription's he thought there was not a thing wrong with what he was doing ! And August 16th proved that wrong.

But I think all of what you have said about him approaching things in his life with that child like mentality is very true and think it was brought on by the great magnitude of his stardom. I mean here was a man who could live in a make believe world and make it real. The women, cars, drugs etc and it all took its toll.

But he was a very smart man no doubt about it, just think in the later years he would suffer alot from depression and just became more dependent on the stuff and all of it (the weight, the enlarged heart, drug habits etc) all took ahold of him.

[The King's Queen]

If he's as smart as I believe him to be; he'll find someone that disagrees with him. :)
She can teach him all the rest and give him a run for his money.
Then, he'll have wisdom. ;)

He'll have wisdom...or a divorce decree...one of the two! :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[cameron]

He most certainly was a man in denial. As long as he had that Doctor's signature on his prescription's he thought there was not a thing wrong with what he was doing ! And August 16th proved that wrong.

But I think all of what you have said about him approaching things in his life with that child like mentality is very true and think it was brought on by the great magnitude of his stardom. I mean here was a man who could live in a make believe world and make it real. The women, cars, drugs etc and it all took its toll.

But he was a very smart man no doubt about it, just think in the later years he would suffer alot from depression and just became more dependent on the stuff and all of it (the weight, the enlarged heart, drug habits etc) all took ahold of him.

Legally, there wasn't anything wrong with it.Except for the doctors doing it .
People used to think doctors could do no wrong. Some still do.

He was a child when Parker got him. He never had a chance to grow up.
I've noticed that in looking at his life.

Add to the list : a twisted colon and every "friend" he had {including his doctor} borrowing money off of him. Then, you will have it. ;)

[Unchained Melody]

Legally, there wasn't anything wrong with it.Except for the doctors doing it .
People used to think doctors could do no wrong. Some still do.

He was a child when Parker got him. He never had a chance to grow up.
I've noticed that in looking at his life.

Add to the list : a twisted colon and every "friend" he had {including his doctor} borrowing money off of him. Then, you will have it. ;)

Very true indeed !

Elvis loaned Dr Nick and who else was it Diamond Joe in the Raquetball deal of '76 that went sour right ?:hmm:

[cameron]

The racquetball courts too, yes. Money to bail Nick out of the Doctors Building and a loan to build his house . From 1970 - 1977 Elvis personal loans to Nick was $275,000 and that's not counting the cars and jewelry plus medical services of $76,000 and $147,000 to the Medical Group. Nick was paying that back long after Vernon died.
I just got out this book and have been re-reading it the last few days.
So, yes, I am disgusted all over again.(n)
It's a shame the way they all used him.

[The King's Queen]

The racquetball courts too, yes. Money to bail Nick out of the Doctors Building and a loan to build his house . From 1970 - 1977 Elvis personal loans to Nick was $275,000 and that's not counting the cars and jewelry plus medical services of $76,000 and $147,000 to the Medical Group. Nick was paying that back long after Vernon died.
I just got out this book and have been re-reading it the last few days.
So, yes, I am disgusted all over again.(n)
It's a shame the way they all used him.

Right on the money with that thought Cameron! (y)(y)
And yet...these very people who 'used' him, now claim to be his 'best friends'....:doh:(n) Where is the loyalty??? My guess would be in the hip pocket...if you get my drift! ;)

[KPM]

Those are some wise thoughts of your own, Cameron.

Indeed, we're all in denial about many things .... even when we desperately try not to be (perhaps especially in such times). With each year that passes, I become more grimly aware of this.

The subconscious is a strange, thorny realm, barely understood. In a sense, it doesn't even exist -- it's just a helpful (or unhelpful) umbrella term for a whole lot of machinery we don't understand. It is very possible Elvis' "subconscious" was "telling" him certain things; it's just pretty much impossible to know.

"Wisdom" is actually a word I associate with knowledge and compassion as mutually entwined entities. It's not the sort of word I think should be used often (for it is used recklessly, I feel). Fundamentally, I agree with the spirit of your post; it just doesn't change the reality of Elvis' death.
IMO wisdom is not just knowing things and facts, its discerning the truely important things from the unimportant things-and I guess that would be somewhat subjective because whats truely mportant to some may be totally unimportant to others. When I was younger I thought I knew a lot but as I've gotten older I realise how little I did know (and understand) Much of what was so vitally important for me at 18, is not nearly as important to me today. I guess I could ask was I wiser then-or am I wiser now? Once again the answer is subjective to the individual and their life.

[KPM]

Yes, which is why I wrote:
That's why the Internet is a hopeful step. It's new. It connects us. It changes the way we do things. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm excited to be living at this time.



I have a little different take on the Internet-it can be and should be a hopeful step- but also it rapidly sends out misinformation so you have to be careful what you read, it has kids who use to be outside climbing trees and playing ball- inside developing strong wrists (but little real exercise) playing video games- it has certainly narrowed the world and makes it seem smaller-but you get less and less "eye to eye interaction" and more and more "keyboard to keyboard". Eye to eye its easier to discern truth and sincerity. Keyboard to keyboard- does anyone really know who the other person is? I think like any tool man has come up with starting with the first rock, it becomes tainted and the good it does is quickly neutralized by the bad. (I wish it wasn't so)
Its a debateable question as to how the Internet society will live up to the hopeful idea it was founded on.

[utmom2008]

I have a little different take on the Internet-it can be and should be a hopeful step- but also it rapidly sends out misinformation so you have to be careful what you read, it has kids who use to be outside climbing trees and playing ball- inside developing strong wrists (but little real exercise) playing video games- it has certainly narrowed the world and makes it seem smaller-but you get less and less "eye to eye interaction" and more and more "keyboard to keyboard". Eye to eye its easier to discern truth and sincerity. Keyboard to keyboard- does anyone really know who the other person is? I think like any tool man has come up with starting with the first rock, it becomes tainted and the good it does is quickly neutralized by the bad. (I wish it wasn't so)
Its a debateable question as to how the Internet society will live up to the hopeful idea it was founded on.

Great post KPM.(y) I would agree that in many aspects the jury is still out on where the internet will eventually take us. We can't ignore the the doors it has opened up for all the pedophiles in the world, among other things.:mad: The internet, like most things, is a fabulous tool when used properly.;);)

[EnigmaticSun]

That suit inspired me to use this screenname. On other boards they'd call me CCC (Candy Colored Clown).

Whatever nihilist, reductionist or materialist motive you may have, you can't take away the symbolic meaning of this suit. When the world is going to end and how seems to be a question-mark, but it's not for me to say anyway.

To me the key element in cosmology seems to be resurrection. Back in ancient times even the Jews were divided (e.g. Pharisees opposed to Sadducees) as to whether bodies will come out of their graves at the end of time and catch flesh and spirit again. Ezechiel the Israelite is well known for his vision about the valley of dry bones.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Kern_Vision_des_Ezechiel.jpg/752px-Kern_Vision_des_Ezechiel.jpg

I suppose these stories seem to be like "Indian Stories" - just too weird, too symbolic to accept. Whatever you think of them, they were a strong people and it has proven hard to break their spirit. Ah well, I suppose you'd have to have some knowledge of the Jews and their history to say something meaningful about it.

The "Indians" from the Americas are the original tribes living there so it might prove interesting to take them seriously, something tells me it's their land..

Reading literature and articles about the Mayans gave me insight as to how they lived from the land. Comparable with Ancient Greece, their gods usually concern phenomena in nature and the creation of heaven of earth. Some may and do feel drawn to Jesus' story because he too was abused, denied and tortured - but not without victory over death.

[Erhan]

Few Good looking Elvis Pic In Sundial...

[EnigmaticSun]

Thank you, Erhan. I hadn't seen these before!

[Unchained Melody]

It's a shame the way they all used him.

And thats another thing that bothered him horribly in the last year or so he felt everyone was using him or wanted something from him.
I recall one of the concerts from March 1976 he looked over at JD and told him to hold out his Elvis hand from all the rings Elvis had bought him.
There was another one something about the liscense plate on a car and Elvis made them put it to say Elvis bought this car :lol:(y)