Interesting Article: EP and Migraines

[The King's Queen]

Not sure if this has ever been posted or not, but I found it to be interesting. Might possibly explain some of the med's that were found in his body at the time of the autopsy...? Check it out:

http://www.migraineblog.com/press_releases/1999/04/elvis_presleys_.html

[elvislady]

Thanks for the link TKQ this is news to me, i did not know elvis got migraines so bad.
elvislady;)

[4THEHEART]

cause, fans mostly being educated on the medication he used but not the motives he had..Migrain is a curse,in anybody's life..

[Tony Trout]

The headaches Elvis suffered from were, at the time, known as cluster headaches...


4THEHEART: I don't deny that Elvis had some medical problems but the fact is that he had no business whatsoever taking alot of the very strong stuff he took towards the end....

[cameron]

There are many health related reports on Elvis out here.
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisMedicalReport.html
Many just never take the time to look. :blink:

[Tony Trout]

There are many health related reports on Elvis out here.
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisMedicalReport.html
Many just never take the time to look. :blink:


I don't think Lea Frydman is a very credible source....I think she's also one of the one's who continue to perpetuate and continue the absolute false rumor that Elvis is alive and I have also noticed that she has used Robert Holton/Robert Kendall's very own words from their book, "The King Is Dead" on her website and twisted them around to make it seem to the reader that they are her own words--and they're not.

There are more credible and factual sources out there than Lea Frydman...trust me.

[cameron]

I don't think Lea Frydman is a very credible source....I think she's also one of the one's who continue to perpetuate and continue the absolute false rumor that Elvis is alive and I have also noticed that she has used Robert Holton/Robert Kendall's very own words from their book, "The King Is Dead" on her website and twisted them around to make it seem to the reader that they are her own words--and they're not.

There are more credible and factual sources out there than Lea Frydman...trust me.

There are many medical reports on Elvis' health . It seems some can't stop thinking about Elvis being alive. :doh:
IMO, everyone should let that subject go and concentrate on learning about how sick he really was. As far as I know Elvis passed away 8/16/77.
If you think something different, I'd be happy to hear it.

The man was very ill; but some don't seem to care .
It doesn't sell as well. :'(

[SweetCaroline]

There are many medical reports on Elvis' health . It seems some can't stop thinking about Elvis being alive. :doh:
IMO, everyone should let that subject go and concentrate on learning about how sick he really was. As far as I know Elvis passed away 8/16/77.
If you think something different, I'd be happy to hear it.

The man was very ill; but some don't seem to care .
It doesn't sell as well. :'(




I think Elvis was more ill :( than many are willing to accept, too, Cameron.
Not that the drugs were not hurting him, too, but Elvis was not a well man physically or emotionally that last couple of years.

[KPM]

Well cluster or migraine headaches are torture. If you have not had them-you can not understand the pain. My daughter has them and when she gets them she has to lie down in a darkened room with no noise until her medication helps. Its like arthritis, I use to think when someone complained how bad it hurt it was exaggerated-now that I have it in my knees and legs and elbows I see the light. It can keep you from sleeping, keep you from any enjoyment when it flares up bad. I can guarantee you when it flares if I could get hold of stronger pain meds to check it-I would.

[cameron]

Well cluster or migraine headaches are torture. If you have not had them-you can not understand the pain. My daughter has them and when she gets them she has to lie down in a darkened room with no noise until her medication helps. Its like arthritis, I use to think when someone complained how bad it hurt it was exaggerated-now that I have it in my knees and legs and elbows I see the light. It can keep you from sleeping, keep you from any enjoyment when it flares up bad. I can guarantee you when it flares if I could get hold of stronger pain meds to check it-I would.


I had to laugh at this. I can remember rolling my eyes as a kid when my grandparents complained of "all their pain."
Believe me, I don't roll my eyes anymore . It does come back to you . ;)
As I look back, I'm sure their pain was much greater than mine.

[franny]

My brother gets really bad migraines sometimes! (n)
Sometimes, so bad that he has to lay down and has even passed out a few times from it! The doctor has told him to take 4 aspirin's at one time, when it's bad! That's more than the recommended dosage, but it helps him!

franny

[MissyM]

He had migraines and so did Gladys.

[cameron]

Not one of us knows what kind of medical problems Elvis had.
Even when we discover a few things ...some seem to think they're doctors and make their own diagnosis .


Franny: The aspirin thins the blood and helps. I have a very good friend I used to work with....they put her in bed for a few days.

[Miss Clawdy]

To me it sounds like Elvis was suffering from a classical migraine. I am
suffering from migraine with aura, vomit, pain, lingual disorder, I know
how absolutely horrible and painful such attacks are and how very
thankful I am for having a medication that helps.
But if Elvis had migraine attacks before or during a concert, how ever did
he manage to perform and sing, even with medication..... is beyond me.

[franny]

Not one of us knows what kind of medical problems Elvis had.
Even when we discover a few things ...some seem to think they're doctors and make their own diagnosis .


Franny: The aspirin thins the blood and helps. I have a very good friend I used to work with....they put her in bed for a few days.

Yes, cameron it does help...but, I always thought that thinning the blood wasn't good for you, not sure...

franny

[cameron]

I guess one can read what aspirin does. ;)

http://www.medicinenet.com/migraine_headache/page4.htm

[Getlo]

Elvis may have had a few migraines here and there - as most of us have at one stage or another.

But to say he "suffered from migraines" is misleading. Migraines are severely disabling, with real sufferers often confined to bed for days.

Elvis was not a victim of ongoing migraines, not by a long shot.

[SweetCaroline]

He had migraines and so did Gladys.


Thanks for letting us know Missy. Seems like the family would know such a thing better than anyone.

[KPM]

Elvis may have had a few migraines here and there - as most of us have at one stage or another.

But to say he "suffered from migraines" is misleading. Migraines are severely disabling, with real sufferers often confined to bed for days.Elvis was not a victim of ongoing migraines, not by a long shot.
My daughter has migraines and is not confined to her bed for days, after she gets an attack she takes her medicine and lies down-it then subsides within an hour or two. When she first started getting them at about age 15 she did end up in bed for long periods-but after our doctor examined her and proclaimed them to be migraines the medicine keeps them well under control.
As far as Elvis and migraines I think only Doctor Nick could make a comment on whether they were or were not true migraines which were treated.

[franny]

I guess one can read what aspirin does. ;)

http://www.medicinenet.com/migraine_headache/page4.htm


Yes, I guess one can...;)...Thanks! I still don't think blood thinning sounds good!

franny

[The King's Queen]

Elvis may have had a few migraines here and there - as most of us have at one stage or another.

But to say he "suffered from migraines" is misleading. Migraines are severely disabling, with real sufferers often confined to bed for days.

Elvis was not a victim of ongoing migraines, not by a long shot.


Now, here is a real shocker...hold on to your hiney's...I DISAGREE WITH GETLO!....:supriced: :lmfao:

Actually, Getlo, I am a migraine sufferer. There are times when I am debilitated by them, and find myself in the bed for a day or so. But, more often than not, I am able to function with them. Not as well as when I don't have one, but I can maintain. However, going about my daily routine would be out of the question without the help of pain killers...and that's a fact! :doh: So to say that Elvis had not 'suffered from migraines' is being a bit presumptuous, isn't it? Unless, of course, Elvis himself had denied having them. :hmm: Do you know something that we don't???

(Does this mean that our trip will be even more bloody now??? :blink: :lmfao:)

[KPM]

Yes, I guess one can...;)...Thanks! I still don't think blood thinning sounds good!

franny
I have got in the habit of taking an aspirin a day to help with any potential heart problem and I have read it can save your life if you have an attack caused by a clot.

[franny]

I have got in the habit of taking an aspirin a day to help with any potential heart problem and I have read it can save your life if you have an attack caused by a clot.

Yes, KPM. :) My father does the same, one aspirin a day for his heart. Funny thing though, the same doctor who prescribed heart medication to my father is the same doctor who asked, "Who told you to take this??" :blink: Then said, keep taking it because if you stop, it's not good! What?? (n)

Also, I just wondered if one doesn't have a heart condition is blood thinning still something that is good for someone?

Sorry, to be off-topic, but I'm curious, so forgive me this one time :P

franny

[Diane]

I've heard that you shouldn't do this unless it's advice from your doctor. Apparently it's good for some and not for others but I've never heard why.

Diane

[franny]

I've heard that you shouldn't do this unless it's advice from your doctor. Apparently it's good for some and not for others but I've never heard why.

Diane

Thanks, Diane. (y) The only thing is, I don't always think doctor's know best and sometimes they may guess at things, themselves..

franny

[Diane]

You and me both Franny. I've had some pretty bad experiences with doctors. I stay away unless it's absolutely necessary.

Diane

[KPM]

I've heard that you shouldn't do this unless it's advice from your doctor. Apparently it's good for some and not for others but I've never heard why.

Diane
I think it depends on if your blood is already naturally thin, or if you have trouble clotting. If your blood is already thin and does not clot easily, you could bleed heavily (even to the point of death) from a small cut. Also some peoples digestive system does not tolerate even small doses of aspirin on a regular basis.

[Diane]

That makes sense KPM and now that you mentioned it, I think I've heard that before after all. My husband had an allergic reaction to high doses of aspirin a doctor had him take so now that's out for him. I probably could if my stomach could take it as I clot real well.

Diane

[4THEHEART]

missed again Getlo..one has to carry on with painkillers(as long as you don't have a reiki master around) to do his/her duty ..so do I and I have migrain attacks very often,unfortunately,you can't choose a good rest always..that's life..then again, if it's Elvis, a major health problem is out of question isn't it?..;)some may enjoy the cliché, naughty,drugged rocker image and find it a lil more cool but sorry it never looked like that to me..

[carolynlm]

Elvis may well have been a victim of migraine headaches, and cluster headaches..and those that do get them, know just how bad they really are....but...it seems Elvis was a master at getting his doctors to prescribe him his medication using his knoweldge of symptoms of various complaints. He was a master at it.....and it has been stated thousands of times, not everyone could say NO to him...and if they did, he would just go and find someone else. There is the story of him going to a chemists own home....I don't know if there is any truth to the story, but it wouldn't surpise me.
Elvis was not a saint, but he still had the magical quality, that no-one has had since.

[KPM]

Didn't Billy or Lamar mention Elvis got headaches so bad that he had to lay down for hours at a time in Rev. Of the MM or some other book? I seem to recall reading that somewhere.
Also the fact that it has been stated Elvis knew how to play his doctors-does not negate the fact that if he truely did have migraines-they are extremely painful and can knock you out if you do not have medication to counteract the pain. This is also a fact of migraines.
I do not find it hard to believe that even Elvis could actually at times suffer great pain-he was not Superman. He was a human.

[carolynlm]

The thing is too, that over medicating can also cause headaches.....
I have also known some people who will have an ordinary headache, and immediately call them migraines, which makes it tough for those of us who have had at one time or another the actual migraine. Have you also noticed that if a man sneezes, he has the flu, but a woman just has a small cold.....lol

[KPM]

The thing is too, that over medicating can also cause headaches.....
I have also known some people who will have an ordinary headache, and immediately call them migraines, which makes it tough for those of us who have had at one time or another the actual migraine. Have you also noticed that if a man sneezes, he has the flu, but a woman just has a small cold.....lol
This is certainly true, and I have said the only person who can comment on Elvis and true migraine is Dr. Nick. I just think there is the definite chance that Elvis could suffer from human ailments(such as migraines) just as everyone else. He certainly had his addictions, but just possibly he did suffer from some things just like you or I. To deny that possiblilty seems to set him above you and I-which I do not do.

[Getlo]

(as long as you don't have a reiki master around)

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Reiki, yet! Oh, for the love of ...

[cameron]

missed again Getlo..one has to carry on with painkillers(as long as you don't have a reiki master around) to do his/her duty ..so do I and I have migrain attacks very often,unfortunately,you can't choose a good rest always..that's life..then again, if it's Elvis, a major health problem is out of question isn't it?..;)some may enjoy the cliché, naughty,drugged rocker image and find it a lil more cool but sorry it never looked like that to me..

I agree with you ; in that Elvis looked to be in extreamly bad physical health the last 2 years. Now, whether the doctor didn't advise him correctly or whether he hoped it would all "just go away" I have no idea.
Perhaps a little of both.
I just went through this book about the Colonel again and supposedly he {COL} owed $8 million from his gambling.
Elvis had issued a dead of trust to Graceland to Priscilla, guaranteeing her 1/2 million dollars still owed on the divorce settlement.
Plus the COL.was trying to sell EP's contract.
It appears there was too much going on for Elvis to rest.

What a shame. :'(

[Getlo]

supposedly he {COL} owed $8 million from his gambling. (

At least ...

[utmom2008]

I agree with you ; in that Elvis looked to be in extreamly bad physical health the last 2 years. Now, whether the doctor didn't advise him correctly or whether he hoped it would all "just go away" I have no idea.
Perhaps a little of both.
I just went through this book about the Colonel again and supposedly he {COL} owed $8 million from his gambling.
Elvis had issued a dead of trust to Graceland to Priscilla, guaranteeing her 1/2 million dollars still owed on the divorce settlement.
Plus the COL.was trying to sell EP's contract.
It appears there was too much going on for Elvis to rest.

What a shame. :'(

It makes you wonder what his stress level was like? Nowdays Drs. will tell you that stress can kill you, they didn't in 1977 however.:hmm::doh::blink:

[elvisfan4life]

Actually, Getlo, I am a migraine sufferer. There are times when I am debilitated by them, and find myself in the bed for a day or so. But, more often than not, I am able to function with them. Not as well as when I don't have one, but I can maintain. However, going about my daily routine would be out of the question without the help of pain killers...and that's a fact! :doh: So to say that Elvis had not 'suffered from migraines' is being a bit presumptuous, isn't it? Unless, of course, Elvis himself had denied having them. :hmm: Do you know something that we don't???

__________________________________
I'm a Migraine sufferer myself and I am also dibilitated by them. I have to take meds for them, have to find a dark room, lay down with no sound, don't move, nothing! I take Topomax for preventive measures but I still get Migraines and major headaches due to Meniere's disease (equillibrium problem - inner ear). So, I cannot imagine not having meds to get rid of my migraines! :doh:

[Getlo]

So to say that Elvis had not 'suffered from migraines' is being a bit presumptuous, isn't it? Unless, of course, Elvis himself had denied having them. :hmm: Do you know something that we don't???

No, it's just that it's obvious that if Elvis had migraines, he may have had a few in his entire life. Obviously, yes, he suffered in the short term (if he had them, of course - there's no proof that he did) but to say the sentence "Elvis suffered from migraines" makes it sound like it was a debilitating life-long condition, which in his case it was not. It was - if anything - an occasional malady.

If someone had a few bouts with bronchitis, would you say they "suffered with bronchitis"? No, you would not.

[MissyM]

I get what you're saying but I think it's just the wording and I don't know if anyone is implying anything in that peticular wording. I know he had them, I know his mother did, but how severe or how often I don't think has ever been specified clearly.

[cameron]

I get what you're saying but I think it's just the wording and I don't know if anyone is implying anything in that peticular wording. I know he had them, I know his mother did, but how severe or how often I don't think has ever been specified clearly.
There's a lot of things "not specified clearly " about Elvis. ;)
Thanks for your input. I know migraines are heriditary .
Today they've made great strides in recognizing and helping those that have them. Back then, there wasn't as much known except to give the strong drugs to pretty much "knock someone out ."
I'm surprised anyone could function at all ; much less try to do a concert .

[TCE]

When I read this article I just had one thought: Poor guy!! Is there anything that he didn't have had? I believe this article, because it could explain why Elvis wanted to have his windows blinded later on in the 70's. I think that Elvis was very much misunderstood and that a lot of crap has been written about him by peple who never took the time to realy get into things. I'm glad that it comes out now,slowly but surely.

Christel (TCE)

[Diane]

(y)(y)(y)

Diane

[KPM]

There's a lot of things "not specified clearly " about Elvis. ;)
Thanks for your input. I know migraines are heriditary .
Today they've made great strides in recognizing and helping those that have them. Back then, there wasn't as much known except to give the strong drugs to pretty much "knock someone out ."
I'm surprised anyone could function at all ; much less try to do a concert .
I was just reading an article where in research another gene which causes a type of heart disease was discovered.

The genetic cause of a rare, deadly heart disease that's prevalent in Newfoundland and Labrador has been identified by researchers in the region.


Three of Rosalie Cater's brothers were all killed by the same disease.
(CBC)
Arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy, or ARVC as it's known, runs in families around the world, though it exists in high proportion in Newfoundland and Labrador. What makes it deadly is that very often the first and only sign of the disease is a fatal heart attack.

Its victims are usually young people, often athletes.

A team at Memorial University in St. John's has discovered the gene mutation responsible for the problem, meaning doctors may be able to pinpoint who's at risk and be able to treat them.

[KPM]

I get what you're saying but I think it's just the wording and I don't know if anyone is implying anything in that peticular wording. I know he had them, I know his mother did, but how severe or how often I don't think has ever been specified clearly.
Like I said earlier I think someone mentioned when he had them they were pretty severe. I thought it was one of the guys in Rev. Of the MM. Migraines are a completely different animal from a bad headache. People who get them can attest to this (my daughter will)

A typical migraine attack produces some or all of these signs and symptoms:

Moderate to severe pain, which may be confined to one side of the head or may affect both sides
Head pain with a pulsating or throbbing quality
Pain that worsens with physical activity
Pain that interferes with your regular activities
Nausea with or without vomiting
Sensitivity to light and sound
When left untreated, a migraine typically lasts from four to 72 hours, but the frequency with which headaches occur varies from person to person. You may have migraines several times a month or just once or twice a year.

[cameron]

I was just reading an article where in research another gene which causes a type of heart disease was discovered.

The genetic cause of a rare, deadly heart disease that's prevalent in Newfoundland and Labrador has been identified by researchers in the region.


Three of Rosalie Cater's brothers were all killed by the same disease.
(CBC)
Arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy, or ARVC as it's known, runs in families around the world, though it exists in high proportion in Newfoundland and Labrador. What makes it deadly is that very often the first and only sign of the disease is a fatal heart attack.

Its victims are usually young people, often athletes.

A team at Memorial University in St. John's has discovered the gene mutation responsible for the problem, meaning doctors may be able to pinpoint who's at risk and be able to treat them.

I remember several years ago when they began that study.
There were young men dropping dead playing basketball.
It was scary to me as one of my young grandsons wanted to play.
There is already heart problems in their family. His other grandfather has had a pace maker since he was very young.
I pray we can find some answers soon ....heart attacks and cancer .
That is a medical dream.

[The King's Queen]

When I read this article I just had one thought: Poor guy!! Is there anything that he didn't have had? I believe this article, because it could explain why Elvis wanted to have his windows blinded later on in the 70's. I think that Elvis was very much misunderstood and that a lot of crap has been written about him by peple who never took the time to realy get into things. I'm glad that it comes out now,slowly but surely.

Christel (TCE)

Good comment Christel! (y) There are lots of things that we will never know for sure. I don't discount the fact that Elvis used a lot of prescription med's. But he just MAY have had reasons for some of them...we cannot know for sure. Bless his heart, I just think sometimes that he gets 'pounded' over and over again for that part of his life...why not just give him the benefit of the doubt and consider that he WAS human, and could have experienced the same ailments that everyone else does? :blink: My Dad always had back problems. Now, I have some of the same. And even though the pain can be really rough...I have chosen NOT to follow his course of action, which was/is narcotics. They will kill you. Plain and simple. But my Dad didn't 'try' to become addicted to them...he just had a low tolerance for pain...and his doctor kept prescribing them by the lots, which in Daddy's mind meant that they were okay for him to take. This is a cycle...one that is terribly viscious! :doh:

[MissyM]

I have migraines and so do my sons. You'd be shocked at what I have pushed myself to do. And then there have been times (in a lesser number) that I wanted to just die and be over the pain. It can be that bad. Then all I could do was go to bed and takes meds and hope. And I have been on a few different meds. Sensativity to light/and sound is the worst! If at any time Elvis had one and had to do a show, he would have to be very medicated. But I'm not implying that is the reason for some of the actions in his shows. But I do think it may be part of the reason for some of his other actions. And yes,there has been much research. In the diet area especially. And other triggers as well which Elvis would not have known at the time.

[4THEHEART]

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Reiki, yet! Oh, for the love of ...

well, I'm sorry for you Getlo..you keep yourself from benefits of those sciences..yes science:supriced:;).there's a huge part of this world that you're in denial with.. my friend could heal a headache with only her 1st degree knowledge of reiki and this is a simple method ..for centuries, western medical world turned their backs to far east methods and knowledge just as you do now and we only lost a big chance to know our physical abilities and the details about how our system works indeed and became dependant of chemical pharmacy..even you cannot know everything as I don't but I'm open to learn as fool as I am ..:):P

[KPM]

I have migraines and so do my sons. You'd be shocked at what I have pushed myself to do. And then there have been times (in a lesser number) that I wanted to just die and be over the pain. It can be that bad. Then all I could do was go to bed and takes meds and hope. And I have been on a few different meds. Sensativity to light/and sound is the worst! If at any time Elvis had one and had to do a show, he would have to be very medicated. But I'm not implying that is the reason for some of the actions in his shows. But I do think it may be part of the reason for some of his other actions. And yes,there has been much research. In the diet area especially. And other triggers as well which Elvis would not have known at the time.
Thats what my daughter says also.

[utmom2008]

I don't discount the fact that Elvis used a lot of prescription med's. But he just MAY have had reasons for some of them...we cannot know for sure.

That is a very good point. 99% of prescription drug addiction stems from a medical reason that you had that the Drs. gave you narcotics for in the first place. Obviously if you decide to snort cocaine you are doing so for the sole reason of getting "high". But I don't think anyone gets up one day and says to themselves "I think I'll try some Vicodin today.":blush::blink:


My Dad always had back problems. Now, I have some of the same. And even though the pain can be really rough...I have chosen NOT to follow his course of action, which was/is narcotics. They will kill you. Plain and simple. But my Dad didn't 'try' to become addicted to them...he just had a low tolerance for pain...and his doctor kept prescribing them by the lots, which in Daddy's mind meant that they were okay for him to take. This is a cycle...one that is terribly viscious! :doh:

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I have read and have heard Drs. say that if you have an "addictive nature" to start with that you can become addicted to the meds in as little as a few short days.:blink: It's very interesting to read up on some of the signs that indicate what sort of personality you have. One sign of an addictive personality is if you want to listen to the same song over and over again.:supriced::supriced::blush:;):blush:;)Guilty as charged!:blush::blink: Between music and cigarettes I guess I better be very careful.

[Getlo]

well, I'm sorry for you Getlo..you keep yourself from benefits of those sciences..yes science:supriced:;).

Reiki is not a science, not by any strecth of the imagination. Acupuncture and other Eastern medicines have scientific value, but Reiki is as much a science as Astrology! It is pure bunkum.


my friend could heal a headache with only her 1st degree knowledge of reiki and this is a simple method ..

What, did they dispense aspirin? If the patient emerged "cured", it was merely co-incidence.


even you cannot know everything

I've never professed to know everything. But I do know that Reiki is a con job. If it was real, then it would sweep the world with its paliative powers.

I'm surprised Elvis didn't delve into its "mystical" powers.

[4THEHEART]

what?:supriced:..astrology and reiki??? totally nonsense..reiki is about using the universal energy, to let it flow,in other words opening the blockage and letting the energy flow..nothing to do with astrology and it is nothing supernatural as you think to change the world..besides, this world full of mental blockage who doesn't believe in their own powers which probably caused by narrow minds and some certain,fear based teachings..this will change too, of course..nature has it's ways;)
oh!btw,aspirin never works with my migrain, just gives me a bad heartburn afterwards..(n)

[SweetCaroline]

Thats what my daughter says also.

My mother, sister, daughter, and one of my best friend's also has had these symptoms with their migranes that MissyM mentions. :(
I have been fortunate and the problem of migraines has skipped over me.

[cameron]

I was reading on the history of Reiki. Very interesting.
It says you must "live in harmony "with others.
Guess that leaves some of us out. ;)

[utmom2008]

what?:supriced:..astrology and reiki??? totally nonsense..reiki is about using the universal energy, to let it flow,in other words opening the blockage and letting the energy flow..nothing to do with astrology and it is nothing supernatural as you think to change the world..besides, this world full of mental blockage who doesn't believe in their own powers which probably caused by narrow minds and some certain,fear based teachings..this will change too, of course..nature has it's ways;)
oh!btw,aspirin never works with my migrain, just gives me a bad heartburn afterwards..(n)

This almost sounds like some of the Scientology junk.....:hmm::blink:

[jak]

I have always thought the seriousness of Elvis' legitimate health concerns have always been overstated by most fans.I think this is done to shift personal responsibility away from him for his drug use.In actuality we dont know of any truly major medical conditions Elvis suffered from during his life.Other than detox I cant recall any hospital stays etc.No operations or other extensive medical procedures.Personally I dont believe Elvis suffered from migraines in the typical sense.I have known people who suffered from them severely.He may have been hit with them on ocassion.Mr Presley's health status certainly didnt require the amount of meds he was on.In fact I think he created many of his problems by his own hand due to his drug intake.
Jak

[The King's Queen]

I have always thought the seriousness of Elvis' legitimate health concerns have always been overstated by most fans.I think this is done to shift personal responsibility away from him for his drug use.In actuality we dont know of any truly major medical conditions Elvis suffered from during his life.Other than detox I cant recall any hospital stays etc.No operations or other extensive medical procedures.Personally I dont believe Elvis suffered from migraines in the typical sense.I have known people who suffered from them severely.He may have been hit with them on ocassion.Mr Presley's health status certainly didnt require the amount of meds he was on.In fact I think he created many of his problems by his own hand due to his drug intake.
Jak

With all due respect Jak, I feel compelled to add something...:supriced::lmfao:

While it's true that we don't really know what he suffered from, all we know about his hospital stays is what we have been told by officiating doctors/nurses and such. I do believe that some of his stays were a combination of detox and legitimate health concerns...whether or not they were in fact due to the dependency, I'm not sure. :blink:

I, for one, hope I don't come across as trying to 'overstate' his conditions in an effort to validate the use of the med's. I believe that the man must have had some conditions...I hardly know anyone who doesn't. Also, I am a firm believer that taking certain med's can cause you to be addicted before you even realize it...thus causing one to exaggerate the status of their condition in order to keep their med's rolling in. My thinking is this:

I do believe that the doctor(s) who prescribed the addictive med's in the beginning should have considered his lifestyle, addictive behavior patterns, ect, before handing them over without a thought. Unfortunately for some, they become addicted before they even realize it...and then they can't seem to see their problem in the appropriate manner. To them, it is not an addiction if the doctor gives it to you. This doesn't make him innocent in his use of these drugs...but it could well provide a basis for how it all got started. Just a thought....;)

[4THEHEART]

some operations doesn't always allow afterwards,a person to live his/her life as it used to be.."if" he needed a serious intestinal opreation ,I can understand why he didn't have it.I'd do the same if I was an entertainer and knowing how cruel people can get and also it's normal he didn't annnounce the ailments he had..what good that would do,to let everyone know or worry as long as you have a desicion of your own already..I don't find it rigth to speak as certain as some of you do,about someone's life..how on earth ,we hope to find everything in books about him.he looked ill ,seriously ill and in my opinion and it's only my opinion;he didn't have a normal treatment he had to go through and that must have been his choice which I respect forever.

Utmom! no,no!!..reiki isn't a religion or belief..it's only a healing system which usess the already existing universal energy..there are other methods such as Chi Gong..

[cameron]

I have always thought the seriousness of Elvis' legitimate health concerns have always been overstated by most fans.I think this is done to shift personal responsibility away from him for his drug use.In actuality we dont know of any truly major medical conditions Elvis suffered from during his life.Other than detox I cant recall any hospital stays etc.No operations or other extensive medical procedures.Personally I dont believe Elvis suffered from migraines in the typical sense.I have known people who suffered from them severely.He may have been hit with them on ocassion.Mr Presley's health status certainly didnt require the amount of meds he was on.In fact I think he created many of his problems by his own hand due to his drug intake.
Jak
In actuality , all we know by BMH and doctors is that he was in the hospital for exhaustion, flu, intestinal problems etc.etc. Ones that were qualified to make that decision.

I think that some of the drug use has always been overstated by some fans.I think this is done because it makes a more interesting story than looking and admitting that he was seriously ill...with human frailities .

[jak]

With all due respect Jak, I feel compelled to add something...:supriced::lmfao:

While it's true that we don't really know what he suffered from, all we know about his hospital stays is what we have been told by officiating doctors/nurses and such. I do believe that some of his stays were a combination of detox and legitimate health concerns...whether or not they were in fact due to the dependency, I'm not sure. :blink:

I, for one, hope I don't come across as trying to 'overstate' his conditions in an effort to validate the use of the med's. I believe that the man must have had some conditions...I hardly know anyone who doesn't. Also, I am a firm believer that taking certain med's can cause you to be addicted before you even realize it...thus causing one to exaggerate the status of their condition in order to keep their med's rolling in. My thinking is this:

I do believe that the doctor(s) who prescribed the addictive med's in the beginning should have considered his lifestyle, addictive behavior patterns, ect, before handing them over without a thought. Unfortunately for some, they become addicted before they even realize it...and then they can't seem to see their problem in the appropriate manner. To them, it is not an addiction if the doctor gives it to you. This doesn't make him innocent in his use of these drugs...but it could well provide a basis for how it all got started. Just a thought....;)

I certainly wasnt singling you out.Im just speaking in general terms.I've been a fan for many years now as you probably have.You make many good points.It's just been obvious to me that many people desperatley want to believe Elvis was burdened with serious medical issues as strange as that sounds.I think some find it comforting to think that is what caused his downfall rather than any personal shortcomings.The need for a scapegoat if you will.My personal belief is that Elvis seeked drugs out because he enjoyed them.His dependency got the better of him at a time when I would say he never appeared more healthy or looked better.We musnt forget Elvis was abusing drugs far back into the 60's.Most always associate it with the 70's.I just dont see any evidence for Elvis needing all those drugs particualry in the early years.If you take an unbiased look at the stuff he was taking it was ridiculous.
Jak

[cameron]

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While Reiki is spiritual in nature, it is not a religion. It has no dogma, and there is nothing you must believe in order to learn and use Reiki. In fact, Reiki is not dependent on belief at all and will work whether you believe in it or not.

[jak]

In actuality , all we know by BMH and doctors is that he was in the hospital for exhaustion, flu, intestinal problems etc.etc. Ones that were qualified to make that decision.

I think that some of the drug use has always been overstated by some fans.I think this is done because it makes a more interesting story than looking and admitting that he was seriously ill...with human frailities .

Offical reason for his hospital stays were always the flu etc.Elvis was getting detox.
His drug use has been underestimated by most fans.The transforamtion that occured to Elvis between 73 to 77 is something you would expect to see happen to a person over 20 years.What happened to Elvis over those 4 short years was due to severe drug abuse that ultimately shortened his life.Nobody wants to think of Elvis as a drug addict.The fact was he was a hopeless addict.

[Getlo]

In actuality , all we know by BMH and doctors is that he was in the hospital for exhaustion, flu, intestinal problems etc.etc. Ones that were qualified to make that decision.


For most of his hospital visits, Elvis was drying out. Sorry, but that's reality.

[Getlo]

Offical reason for his hospital stays were always the flu etc.Elvis was getting detox.

SNAP !!!! :D(y)

[cameron]

Offical reason for his hospital stays were always the flu etc.Elvis was getting detox.
His drug use has been underestimated by most fans.The transforamtion that occured to Elvis between 73 to 77 is something you would expect to see happen to a person over 20 years.What happened to Elvis over those 4 short years was due to severe drug abuse that ultimately shortened his life.Nobody wants to think of Elvis as a drug addict.The fact was he was a hopeless addict.

I see. You were there and/or you are a doctor ??

[cameron]

For most of his hospital visits, Elvis was drying out. Sorry, but that's reality.
You were there too, I assume .:P

[Getlo]

Reiki ... will work whether you believe in it or not.

;););););) :rolleyes:

[The King's Queen]

I certainly wasnt singling you out.Im just speaking in general terms.I've been a fan for many years now as you probably have.You make many good points.It's just been obvious to me that many people desperatley want to believe Elvis was burdened with serious medical issues as strange as that sounds.I think some find it comforting to think that is what caused his downfall rather than any personal shortcomings.The need for a scapegoat if you will.My personal belief is that Elvis seeked drugs out because he enjoyed them.His dependency got the better of him at a time when I would say he never appeared more healthy or looked better.We musnt forget Elvis was abusing drugs far back into the 60's.Most always associate it with the 70's.I just dont see any evidence for Elvis needing all those drugs particualry in the early years.If you take an unbiased look at the stuff he was taking it was ridiculous.
Jak

That's true Jak. He got hooked early in his life. I know that he formed a fettish for certain drugs while he was in the Army...so yeah, he was using early on in his career. Such a sad thing...but it happens so often.:doh: I agree with you that his med list was a bit overwhelming...so no, he couldn't have actually NEEDED all of them. But I do think that he found it acceptable for him to take them, for whatever reasons, since they were 'prescribed' and in his mind 'legitimate' medications. People with addictive behavior patterns subconsciously 'know' that they are susceptable to such things as this...therefore they must justify it by some means.

It's rather strange how this type of thing can happen to some, and not happen to others. :hmm:

Also, I didn't mean to imply that I felt as if you were singling me out...;)...sorry if it came across that way. I took no offense to your post in any way. I may not always agree with ya Jak...but I respect you because I know that you are a true fan! (y):):king:

[cameron]

;););););) :rolleyes:

I feel you miss out on much in life.
My sympathy. :)

[jak]

That's true Jak. He got hooked early in his life. I know that he formed a fettish for certain drugs while he was in the Army...so yeah, he was using early on in his career. Such a sad thing...but it happens so often.:doh: I agree with you that his med list was a bit overwhelming...so no, he couldn't have actually NEEDED all of them. But I do think that he found it acceptable for him to take them, for whatever reasons, since they were 'prescribed' and in his mind 'legitimate' medications. People with addictive behavior patterns subconsciously 'know' that they are susceptable to such things as this...therefore they must justify it by some means.

It's rather strange how this type of thing can happen to some, and not happen to others. :hmm:

Also, I didn't mean to imply that I felt as if you were singling me out...;)...sorry if it came across that way. I took no offense to your post in any way. I may not always agree with ya Jak...but I respect you because I know that you are a true fan! (y):):king:

I agree with everything you wrote.I sincerely believed Elvis justified his drug use in his own mind also.I just think after having the problem for so many years he just lost control of it.Youre right when you said it was a sad thing.He seemed to be a person who had everything to live for.Why did he feel the need?That's the answer we will never know.Those stupid drugs destroyed him and that's a tradegy.

[Getlo]

I feel you miss out on much in life.
My sympathy. :)

Yeah, well I'm sure I can live without quacks "laying on of hands" and curing me of all my ills - without actually touching me!

If I have something wrong with me - which, thankfully, is extraordinarily rare - I'd rather put my health in the hands of someone with at least a rudimentary knowledge of the human body, not someone calling on the great spirits to clear my chakras, or viewing my aura or other such crap.

If any of this bunkum was real, their "miracle" cures would sweep the world, and we'd all be hunky-dory.

My life is grounded in reality, logic and (best of all) a complete absence of the belief of an afterlife, spirits, God and the like. That's what makes me appreciate this life I have more than most people ... coz their ain't nothin' else comin' afterwards!

[cameron]

Yeah, well I'm sure I can live without quacks "laying on of hands" and curing me of all my ills - without actually touching me!

If I have something wrong with me - which, thankfully, is extraordinarily rare - I'd rather put my health in the hands of someone with at least a rudimentary knowledge of the human body, not someone calling on the great spirits to clear my chakras, or viewing my aura or other such crap.

If any of this bunkum was real, their "miracle" cures would sweep the world, and we'd all be hunky-dory.

My life is grounded in reality, logic and (best of all) a complete absence of the belief of an afterlife, spirits, God and the like. That's what makes me appreciate this life I have more than most people ... coz their ain't nothin' else comin' afterwards!

IMO, you're in for a surprise .;) :D

[The King's Queen]

I agree with everything you wrote.I sincerely believed Elvis justified his drug use in his own mind also.I just think after having the problem for so many years he just lost control of it.Youre right when you said it was a sad thing.He seemed to be a person who had everything to live for.Why did he feel the need?That's the answer we will never know.Those stupid drugs destroyed him and that's a tradegy.


We will never know, Jak, that is true. They did destroy him, and I agree with you...it is a terrible tragedy. Hugs comin' your way....:!: ;)

[Lonniebealestreet]

Keep it Elvis, people.

[Diane]

I agree 100% with Lea's #71 post.

Diane

[KPM]

I have always thought the seriousness of Elvis' legitimate health concerns have always been overstated by most fans.I think this is done to shift personal responsibility away from him for his drug use.In actuality we dont know of any truly major medical conditions Elvis suffered from during his life.Other than detox I cant recall any hospital stays etc.No operations or other extensive medical procedures.Personally I dont believe Elvis suffered from migraines in the typical sense.I have known people who suffered from them severely.He may have been hit with them on ocassion.Mr Presley's health status certainly didnt require the amount of meds he was on.In fact I think he created many of his problems by his own hand due to his drug intake.
Jak
See Jak this is where you and I will probably always differ my friend. I do not know how serious his blood pressure problem was, his congenital colon and the pain with that problem (although there was some talk of having a section of his bowel taken out in the mid 70s), his migraines, his depressions (a couple of the drugs in his system were anti-depressants) the eye problem, the arthiritis of the neck and spine that Dr. Nick says he suffered from. But because I do not know how serious they were-because perhaps most around him did not know how serious they might have been-that does not mean they could not have been more serious than we know. Its so hard to judge an illness and how it affects each person. I have arthritis in my knees and an elbows-perhaps it would not bother you much-but I can tell you some nights it hurts and aches like Hades. I can not sleep and I can not get comfortable. Now like I said it might not affect you that way, but thats how it affects me. When I talk with friends I do not bring it up, nor make a deal out of it (I do not like admitting that it bothers me) but that does not keep it from hurting on the nights it does. We just got hit with 10 inches of snow Tuesday -and shoveling my drive my legs hurt horribly. Maybe you or someone else with arthritis it would not.
Migraines are the same- some might get them every other day-some a couple times a year.
Colon problems are not something anyone discusses very often-they are embarrssing and men in general do not like admitting they have such problems. I've read most of the insiders books and its curious to me that they did not ever mention he was born with a colon problem? Dr. Nick has mentioned it, but none of the insiders that I can recall when talking about the colon problem. So that shows they did not know everything about his medical health.
Your contention is that he did not have anything serious medically wrong-mine is we do not know the extent of some of these things, and the pain associated with them. Like I said perhaps you could tolerate arthritis better than I but that does not negate the fact that my pain is real and severe when it hits. So I have to judge others from that viewpoint. I do not see it as giving him an out-the drug dependance aggravated his health situations. I see it as stating my opinion that we do not know how serious some of these things were.:blush:

[4THEHEART]

My life is grounded in reality
what is reality before we create it?..

[jak]

See Jak this is where you and I will probably always differ my friend. I do not know how serious his blood pressure problem was, his congenital colon and the pain with that problem (although there was some talk of having a section of his bowel taken out in the mid 70s), his migraines, his depressions (a couple of the drugs in his system were anti-depressants) the eye problem, the arthiritis of the neck and spine that Dr. Nick says he suffered from. But because I do not know how serious they were-because perhaps most around him did not know how serious they might have been-that does not mean they could not have been more serious than we know. Its so hard to judge an illness and how it affects each person. I have arthritis in my knees and an elbows-perhaps it would not bother you much-but I can tell you some nights it hurts and aches like Hades. I can not sleep and I can not get comfortable. Now like I said it might not affect you that way, but thats how it affects me. When I talk with friends I do not bring it up, nor make a deal out of it (I do not like admitting that it bothers me) but that does not keep it from hurting on the nights it does. We just got hit with 10 inches of snow Tuesday -and shoveling my drive my legs hurt horribly. Maybe you or someone else with arthritis it would not.
Migraines are the same- some might get them every other day-some a couple times a year.
Colon problems are not something anyone discusses very often-they are embarrssing and men in general do not like admitting they have such problems. I've read most of the insiders books and its curious to me that they did not ever mention he was born with a colon problem? Dr. Nick has mentioned it, but none of the insiders that I can recall when talking about the colon problem. So that shows they did not know everything about his medical health.
Your contention is that he did not have anything serious medically wrong-mine is we do not know the extent of some of these things, and the pain associated with them. Like I said perhaps you could tolerate arthritis better than I but that does not negate the fact that my pain is real and severe when it hits. So I have to judge others from that viewpoint. I do not see it as giving him an out-the drug dependance aggravated his health situations. I see it as stating my opinion that we do not know how serious some of these things were.:blush:

KPM
I always appreciate and respect youre well thought out comments.Even if we do differ.You could possibly be correct.I wont deny that it's possible his health was worse than I think.It's just that i tend to think it wasnt.I just dont see the evidence to support it.Certainly none that would warrant his abuse of the painkillers etc.I think we both agree that Elvis abused drugs all the way back to the early 60's.I just dont think he had any medical problems that would have warranted hom being on so many drugs at that time.He was a young,healthy,vibrant individual.I believe he got himself hooked back then by just experimenting and enjoying it.I think that early drug use graduated to the absolute dire situation he had in the 70's.I also think that drug abuse either created or amplified any health problems he had.I still think Elvis took drugs because he wanted to,not because he had to have those prescriptions.I believe the drugs took away his grip on reality.I just dont think he would have allowed himself to be seen every night in that condition unless he just didnt know any better.The real tumble occured after Aloha.I just dont think the guy was in bad health during that period.I honestly think he basically just blew it.

[KPM]

KPM
I always appreciate and respect youre well thought out comments.Even if we do differ.You could possibly be correct.I wont deny that it's possible his health was worse than I think.It's just that i tend to think it wasnt.I just dont see the evidence to support it.Certainly none that would warrant his abuse of the painkillers etc.I think we both agree that Elvis abused drugs all the way back to the early 60's.I just dont think he had any medical problems that would have warranted hom being on so many drugs at that time.He was a young,healthy,vibrant individual.I believe he got himself hooked back then by just experimenting and enjoying it.I think that early drug use graduated to the absolute dire situation he had in the 70's.I also think that drug abuse either created or amplified any health problems he had.I still think Elvis took drugs because he wanted to,not because he had to have those prescriptions.I believe the drugs took away his grip on reality.I just dont think he would have allowed himself to be seen every night in that condition unless he just didnt know any better.The real tumble occured after Aloha.I just dont think the guy was in bad health during that period.I honestly think he basically just blew it.
Well I agree with about 80% of what you posted. I just think the total medical history of Elvis is truely not known. There is virtually no info from the 50s into the mid 60s, now that could be because he had few problems of note-or it could be the Col. and his PR machine which showed no chinks in the armor. If Dr. Nick ever gets around to getting his proposed book published maybe he can shed light on things we have heard or read concerning Elvis and his medical problems. The bad thing about painkillers is it reduces your tolerance to pain. So if you start using them heavily-you think the slightest pain warrants medication. But how bad his pain was for the colon, migraines, or the arthirtis I just could not say.

[utmom2008]

KPM
Certainly none that would warrant his abuse of the painkillers etc.I think we both agree that Elvis abused drugs all the way back to the early 60's.I just dont think he had any medical problems that would have warranted hom being on so many drugs at that time.I believe the drugs took away his grip on reality.I just dont think he would have allowed himself to be seen every night in that condition unless he just didnt know any better.The real tumble occured after Aloha.I just dont think the guy was in bad health during that period.I honestly think he basically just blew it.

I think I see the point you are making Jak. The painkiller that sends up a red flag is the Dilaudid. Isn't that the one that terminally ill cancer patients get towards the end? I agree with losing his grip on reality because he was always so careful to look his best. You and I have talked about this before..the quick transformation in his appearance. Take a look at Aloha and then fast forward to Feb. 12, 1977...he looks like an entirely different person. I have never known anyone who's appearance changed that much between the ages of 38 and 42. It just doesn't happen to that degree....:sad:

[KPM]

I think I see the point you are making Jak. The painkiller that sends up a red flag is the Dilaudid. Isn't that the one that terminally ill cancer patients get towards the end? I agree with losing his grip on reality because he was always so careful to look his best. You and I have talked about this before..the quick transformation in his appearance. Take a look at Aloha and then fast forward to Feb. 12, 1977...he looks like an entirely different person. I have never known anyone who's appearance changed that much between the ages of 38 and 42. It just doesn't happen to that degree....:sad:
You know thats what some of the MM have said but in reseaching Dilaudid I see that it is not just a heavy painkiller for cancer patients-it is used for chronic moderate to severe pain of all kinds. Plain morphine is still the number one painkiller for cancer patients ( I have seen this used first hand 3 times in the last 10 years when my father in law, a cousin, and last year my mother in law all died of cancer)
Dilaudid (hydromorphone) is used to relieve moderate to severe pain and severe, painful dry coughing. As explored in detail below, hydromorphone is becoming more popular in the treatment of chronic pain in many countries, and it is used as a substitute for heroin and morphine where one or both of these drugs are not marketed. Hydromorphone is preferred even over morphine in many cases ranging from the emergency department to the operating suite to ongoing treatment of chronic pain syndromes on account of hydromorphone's superior solubility and speed of onset and less troublesome side effect profile and lower dependence liability as compared to morphine and heroin. Hydromorphone is also a good alternative to morphine when patients refuse morphine due to the stigma associated with it.....

But even if it is not for cancer patients exclusively it does cause one to
wonder what it was prescribed for.

[cameron]

I agree with you about the drug, KPM.

As to any physical deterioration; I've seen people go to deaths door in just 3 -6 months. I just keep remembering some saying he complianed of pain "all over." I know cancer can do that; but supposedly he didn't have cancer.

I know bad infections can cause terrible pain. It has been inferred that he had very bad health because of that colon. Right now, I don't know what was wrong with him. {maybe never will}
But, for now .....I give him the benefit of doubt.
As so well outlined by KPM; no one knows what kind of pain another person is going through. All anyone has is "tales from the MM."
My instincts trust what the "patients" complaints were .

[jak]

Well I agree with about 80% of what you posted. I just think the total medical history of Elvis is truely not known. There is virtually no info from the 50s into the mid 60s, now that could be because he had few problems of note-or it could be the Col. and his PR machine which showed no chinks in the armor. If Dr. Nick ever gets around to getting his proposed book published maybe he can shed light on things we have heard or read concerning Elvis and his medical problems. The bad thing about painkillers is it reduces your tolerance to pain. So if you start using them heavily-you think the slightest pain warrants medication. But how bad his pain was for the colon, migraines, or the arthirtis I just could not say.

Personally I believe that if Elvis had suffered serious ailments we would know about it.Especially if they existed far back into the the early years.I jsut dont think it could have been kept under wraps.We know when he was in the hospital.Somebody would have talked by know if he had anything that warranted the drugs he was taking.People in the lab,nurses etc.The info would have came out.His timeline certainly has a some gaps but I dont think any other entertainer has ever been so scrutinized.Im steadfast in my belief that Elvis' most serious problem was his self induced addiction.Elvis has been dragged through the mud over the years because of this.Dont you think that if any of those around him like Dr Nick or his father before passing would have revealed any info that would have explained the drugs?How about Priscilla or Lisa?It's in their best intrest to show Elvis in a good light.Why not release the results of the autopsy early?Wouldnt that clear his name if those health problems were there to explain the drugs away?The reason nobody has come forth with the info is obvious to me.Particulary back in the late 70's when everything started to come out about his drug use.It's becuase it doesnt exist.They dont have anything to counter the stories about his drug use.After 30 years they would have told us why he took the drugs if there was a good reason.The truth is that Elvis just liked taking drugs for his own recreational use.Unfortunately I think it's as simple as that.Surely nobody thinks his cancer is still being kept secret?His other major health concerns?Does anybody think the drug addiction stories about Elvis are preferable over him having cancer or other major problems?Does anybody think EPE prefers the drug image over a man stricken with life threatning health concerns?I urge people to use common sense and not let their love of Elvis cloud their judgement.
Jak

[jak]

" All anyone has is "tales from the MM." "

What about someone like Linda Thompson?She was actually there for some of those hospital stays and she was there during the really rough times.Why hasnt she revealed all those serious problems he had?I think she would know.She has stated Elvis destroyed himself and it was hard to watch.She blames drug abuse for his demise.Why didnt his dad set the record straight?He had plenty of time and opportunity before his passing.Let's be honest about Elvis.He couldnt function without an army to support him during his lifetime for whatever reason.I dont see Elvis "sucking it up" and keeping his suffering to himself.If he was in that bad of medical condition everybody around him would have known.Elvis didnt go it alone on anything.

[Getlo]

Personally I believe that if Elvis had suffered serious ailments we would know about it.Im steadfast in my belief that Elvis' most serious problem was his self induced addiction.Elvis has been dragged through the mud over the years because of this.

Precisely.

This whole "congenital colon" stuff ... surely, this would have been even hinted at during his life? But no, it was only when the autopsy revealed that his colon was packed with drug residue that people made the leap. Did Elvis ever complain of stomach pain? Or even hint at it? Mention it in passing?

Also, do we have anything on record where he was actually diagnosed during his lifetime with glaucoma?

And don't get me started on bone cancer! :rolleyes:

[4THEHEART]

if only you have eyes that see a little better..you even deny a glaucoma!.. sorry but you can't rebuild an Elvis that would fit your Elvis image..no way to change the truth..how you both(Jak and Getlo) dream to see everything happened to him written on papers so you maybe consider to believe..then again, it is not very important what you believe or not,just sad the struggle to find a little something to judge and blame the man..that reminds me his so called friends..no wonder they never believed or cared for him,never took him serious in depth..

[jak]

if only you have eyes that see a little better..you even deny a glaucoma!.. sorry but you can't rebuild an Elvis that would fit your Elvis image..no way to change the truth..how you both(Jak and Getlo) dream to see everything happened to him written on papers so you maybe consider to believe..then again, it is not very important what you believe or not,just sad the struggle to find a little something to judge and blame the man..

It's you that want to change history so Elvis fits into an image you find more desirable.Im guessing you believe Elvis kept his health problems to himself.Nobody knew but him.Youre being very unrealistic.You have no proof of his health problems,only the desire to believe in them.I would ask you the question again.Why hasnt his estate made these terrible problems public so they can explain the drug problem?You will be better off in this life just dealing with reality rather than creating youre own.

[Getlo]

if only you have eyes that see a little better..you even deny a glaucoma!..

As I said, can you - or anyone - please provide me with an official pre-death diagnosis? Who said he had glaucoma?


no way to change the truth..

So why do you persist in trying to do so?

[cameron]

Precisely.

This whole "congenital colon" stuff ... surely, this would have been even hinted at during his life? But no, it was only when the autopsy revealed that his colon was packed with drug residue that people made the leap. Did Elvis ever complain of stomach pain? Or even hint at it? Mention it in passing?

Also, do we have anything on record where he was actually diagnosed during his lifetime with glaucoma?
And don't get me started on bone cancer! :rolleyes:

Actually, yes...it's pointed out in Red and Elvis' famous phone conversation.
{doubt it if you want; but Red made that public to hurt Elvis. It back fired }

Dr Nick tells of EP's intestinal problems , his BP, glaucoma, etc. I'm surprised you're unaware of all this.

[Getlo]

Dr Nick tells of EP's intestinal problems , his BP, glaucoma, etc. I'm surprised you're unaware of all this.

I am perfectly aware of Nick's claims, thank you. My question was, was any of this properly diagnosed during Elvis' lifetime?

And has anyone actually heard this alleged phone conversation between Red and Elvis, or is it just the transcript that is out there?

[cameron]

I am perfectly aware of Nick's claims, thank you. My question was, was any of this properly diagnosed during Elvis' lifetime?

And has anyone actually heard this alleged phone conversation between Red and Elvis, or is it just the transcript that is out there?

Happy to help.;)

http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

[cameron]

Here's an interview from Dr Nick also.
http://www.essentialelvis.com/Interviews_DrNick.htm

[LianaKaralivanou]

if only you have eyes that see a little better..you even deny a glaucoma!.. sorry but you can't rebuild an Elvis that would fit your Elvis image..no way to change the truth..how you both(Jak and Getlo) dream to see everything happened to him written on papers so you maybe consider to believe..then again, it is not very important what you believe or not,just sad the struggle to find a little something to judge and blame the man..that reminds me his so called friends..no wonder they never believed or cared for him,never took him serious in depth..


I heard that Elvis didn't have a glaucoma. That was another rumor. He just was light sensitive as many members of the Presley family.

[Tony Trout]

I heard that Elvis didn't have a glaucoma. That was another rumor. He just was light sensitive as many members of the Presley family.

Elvis was diagnosed with secondary glaucoma in March of 1971.

[KPM]

Personally I believe that if Elvis had suffered serious ailments we would know about it.Especially if they existed far back into the the early years.I jsut dont think it could have been kept under wraps.We know when he was in the hospital.Somebody would have talked by know if he had anything that warranted the drugs he was taking.People in the lab,nurses etc.The info would have came out.His timeline certainly has a some gaps but I dont think any other entertainer has ever been so scrutinized.Im steadfast in my belief that Elvis' most serious problem was his self induced addiction.Elvis has been dragged through the mud over the years because of this.Dont you think that if any of those around him like Dr Nick or his father before passing would have revealed any info that would have explained the drugs?How about Priscilla or Lisa?It's in their best intrest to show Elvis in a good light.Why not release the results of the autopsy early?Wouldnt that clear his name if those health problems were there to explain the drugs away?The reason nobody has come forth with the info is obvious to me.Particulary back in the late 70's when everything started to come out about his drug use.It's becuase it doesnt exist.They dont have anything to counter the stories about his drug use.After 30 years they would have told us why he took the drugs if there was a good reason.The truth is that Elvis just liked taking drugs for his own recreational use.Unfortunately I think it's as simple as that.Surely nobody thinks his cancer is still being kept secret?His other major health concerns?Does anybody think the drug addiction stories about Elvis are preferable over him having cancer or other major problems?Does anybody think EPE prefers the drug image over a man stricken with life threatning health concerns?I urge people to use common sense and not let their love of Elvis cloud their judgement.
Jak
Jak I think you're missing my point my friend- some of these things are documented-the ganglionic fold of the colon he was born with. Now we can debate if it was a problem, and how painful it was- but he was born with it. The ex-rays Nick has of Elvis's colon show that,(according to Nick) and any doctor reading them today would recognize it as a congenital defect. The blood pressure problem, Nick has talked about, the glaucoma Nick has talked about, the arthritis of the neck and spine Nick has talked about. I am not saying Elvis did not get hooked on drugs and I'm not saying he did not experiment with drugs, nor that he even enjoyed the feeling he got. I am saying not every single drug he took can be explained as just him being hooked. I am saying the conditions mentioned can be very painful and debilitating. (I know if you have not had them its hard to imagine enough pain to need pain killers but that is once again coming from your view of never having had them) The congenital ganglionic fold becomes an extremely painful condition as you age. Can you or I pinpoint at what point in Elvis that may have happened-no. Each persons system is different. Can we judge how much pain was too much in any of these situations-no. We can judge with authority on ourselves and the pain we have-but not someone else.
I know you feel any medical secrets could not be kept secret. But this is looking back to a different time and different mindset of what could and could not be done.
Look at it this way, Elvis pretty much lived with Priscilla from the moment she came here from Germany-that was kept secret. My mom use to buy Photoplay and Movie Mirror each month-there was never a hint of Priscilla living with and sleeping in the same room. That had to be the secret of the 60s for Elvis- but it was kept. The times were not like today-the PR machines worked overtime to keep any hint of scandal or major problems quiet medical, mental whatever.
Example- In 1963 into 1964 John Waynes people wanted it kept quiet that he had lung cancer, they succeeded until he had his lung removed. Then Wayne himself told the public he had had it and he advised them to get regular checkups. The reason they wanted it quiet was because-tough guys do not get sick. They were actually afraid it would hurt his image and his ability to get work. That was the mindset of the 30s thru the 60s. So I do not feel it was impossible to keep some medical knowledge quiet. Especially with Parker involved. But my friend that is just my take- I see your points.

[Tony Trout]

As I said, can you - or anyone - please provide me with an official pre-death diagnosis? Who said he had glaucoma?



So why do you persist in trying to do so?


Getlo,

As I replied in Liana's post...

Elvis was diagnosed with secondary glaucoma in March of 1971 at a hospital in Nashville, TN. He had previously been in a recording session (I presume that these sessions may have been the one's where James Burton recorded his "Guitar Sounds Of James Burton" LP). And as far as stomach pains, he reportedly complained of those during the second to last show on June 25, 1977 in Cincinatti, OH. He reportedly was in pain the entire show.

[cameron]

I heard that Elvis didn't have a glaucoma. That was another rumor. He just was light sensitive as many members of the Presley family.


http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/bio/elvis_1970_1977.asp

March 1971
Elvis begins a recording session in Nashville, but cancels it due to pain and inflammation in an eye. He is treated at a Nashville hospital where he is diagnosed with secondary glaucoma. This eye condition will plague him from time to time in varying degrees for the rest of his life.

[4THEHEART]

And has anyone actually heard this alleged phone conversation between Red and Elvis, or is it just the transcript that is out there?
something you haven't heard before?..must be kidding..

[Tony Trout]

http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/bio/elvis_1970_1977.asp

March 1971
Elvis begins a recording session in Nashville, but cancels it due to pain and inflammation in an eye. He is treated at a Nashville hospital where he is diagnosed with secondary glaucoma. This eye condition will plague him from time to time in varying degrees for the rest of his life.


That's where I also found that info....are you reading my mind? :P:P






something you haven't heard before?..must be kidding..

I found it very surprising that Getlo wasn't familiar with the infamous 1976 phone conversation between Red and Elvis....

[LianaKaralivanou]

Thanks Tony Trout and Cameron for the info. It seems that he had a glaucoma after all...Although I believed that my source was reliable I guess it was wrong...

[Getlo]

Elvis was diagnosed with secondary glaucoma in March of 1971.

March 16, apparently.

Secondary glaucoma:"This type of glaucoma is unlike chronic open angle glaucoma in that when the problem causing raised intraocular pressure is corrected or cured (if this is possible), the pressure may return to normal and further medication may be unnecessary. Unfortunately however, existing damage to the visual field will remain."

From: http://www.glaucoma-association.com/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=268&lang=en&tt=article

As to Red's tape, I can't play it on any PC. Nuts.

To Dr Nick: he says Elvis was born with a blocked colon that caused Elvis' stomach to be big. Firstly, how would he know this? Is it on any of Elvis' early medical records, or in his army records? Would this condition have waited 40-41 years to make the "stomach big"?

[Getlo]

some of these things are documented-the ganglionic fold of the colon he was born with. Now we can debate if it was a problem, and how painful it was- but he was born with it. The ex-rays Nick has of Elvis's colon show that,(according to Nick) and any doctor reading them today would recognize it as a congenital defect.

Who says he was born with this? Nick?

[Getlo]

I found it very surprising that Getlo wasn't familiar with the infamous 1976 phone conversation between Red and Elvis....

I am familiar with it, of course - I simply had not heard it.

[Getlo]

but Red made that public to hurt Elvis.

I see. So, you have a special insight into Red's mind and motivations, eh?

[cameron]

I see. So, you have a special insight into Red's mind and motivations, eh?

You've only to listen to what he says before the tape plays.
Too bad you don't have anything that will play it.
Very strange.

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[cameron]

To Dr Nick: he says Elvis was born with a blocked colon that caused Elvis' stomach to be big. Firstly, how would he know this? Is it on any of Elvis' early medical records, or in his army records? Would this condition have waited 40-41 years to make the "stomach big"?

:hmm: Since he was his primary doctor, he should know and it should be in patient records. ;)

[franny]

I was just curious, how many doctor's did Elvis have? :hmm:

franny

[Getlo]

:hmm: Since he was his primary doctor, he should know and it should be in patient records. ;)

So, when the Presleys moved from Tupelo to Memphis in 1948, they let their doctor/s know, who then sent the records on to Memphis? Then, as Elvis had various homes in various places, the records were still sent on?

I hardly think so. I would suggest Elvis' childhood medical records disappeared aeons ago. The idea that this colon thing was from birth is speculation (from Nick and others) at best.

[cameron]

So, when the Presleys moved from Tupelo to Memphis in 1948, they let their doctor/s know, who then sent the records on to Memphis? Then, as Elvis had various homes in various places, the records were still sent on?

I hardly think so. I would suggest Elvis' childhood medical records disappeared aeons ago. The idea that this colon thing was from birth is speculation (from Nick and others) at best.

I doubt that the Presleys saw any doctors. They were just too poor .
Not many people did in the '30's and '40's.

MOST doctors make those assessments on finding a heriditary problem when things start to go wrong. I doubt that Elvis saw a doctor until he just had to.

[cameron]

I was just curious, how many doctor's did Elvis have? :hmm:

franny

I don't know, Franny. It's been said he used one in Vegas and one in California.

[utmom2008]

I was just curious, how many doctor's did Elvis have? :hmm:

franny

Too many......;)

[jak]

Too many......;)


BINGO!!You win the grand prize.

[KPM]

So, when the Presleys moved from Tupelo to Memphis in 1948, they let their doctor/s know, who then sent the records on to Memphis? Then, as Elvis had various homes in various places, the records were still sent on?

I hardly think so. I would suggest Elvis' childhood medical records disappeared aeons ago. The idea that this colon thing was from birth is speculation (from Nick and others) at best.
Getlo I suggest you read the book where this is discussed. A ganglionic fold is a specific congenital defect which is obvious to the doctors who discussed this in the book. For years it was stated Elvis had a twisted colon (its another name for the ganglionic fold). Even before his death that was reported. It is not speculation. Nick saw and ordered many of the ex-rays which Elvis had over the years. The colon was ex-rayed.This is one of the things discovered. Its also one of the reasons for discussion with other doctors about having that section of his colon removed. You would not need Elvis's baby or childhood records to recognize a congential defect. If it was a defect at birth-it would still be a noticeable defect in adulthood. A congenital defect does not mysteriously heal itself. A cleft palate is also a congenital defect-it is obviious because it shows outwardly-doctors know what a colon should look like-and when their is a congental problem with it-as compared to a problem brought on by lifestyle. Taking too many drugs or eating improperly would not cause a ganglionic fold- a twist in the colon
I know we can read alot about Elvis-I know that the MM new alot about ELvis. But when we say I never heard that, I never read that it-I can not understand how that can be-it still could logically be true when investigated and understood all the way thru.

Excerpt from an online article about colon health:
Toxic Megacolon -http://www.avenaoriginals.com/library/newsletters/095+Colon_Disease+2005-12.pdf

A Prime Example:When your digestive tract is not functioning properly, your body has to make room to accommodate that growing pile of putrefied waste, which can harden and cause your colon to significantly expand in size to become what is referred to as a 'mega-colon'.
Elvis Presley was known to have battled congenital colon problems (congenitally twisted ganglionic fold in his intestine) for years and ended up extremely overweight. After his sudden death in 1977, four medical examiner doctors performed an autopsy on Elvis. According to an account based on their report, they noted that sections of his large intestine ranged from 3 ½ to 5" in diameter! (A normal colon for someone Elvis's size is about 2").

[Tony Trout]

I am familiar with it, of course - I simply had not heard it.


Ahh...my apologies, bro. :)




I was just curious, how many doctor's did Elvis have? :hmm:

franny


Besides Dr. Nick there were (as far as I know) two other doctors: "Flash" Nerman and Dr. Elias Ghanem. Ghanem passed away on August 28, 2001 from cancer.

[KPM]

March 16, apparently.

Secondary glaucoma:"This type of glaucoma is unlike chronic open angle glaucoma in that when the problem causing raised intraocular pressure is corrected or cured (if this is possible), the pressure may return to normal and further medication may be unnecessary. Unfortunately however, existing damage to the visual field will remain."

From: http://www.glaucoma-association.com/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=268&lang=en&tt=article

As to Red's tape, I can't play it on any PC. Nuts.

To Dr Nick: he says Elvis was born with a blocked colon that caused Elvis' stomach to be big. Firstly, how would he know this? Is it on any of Elvis' early medical records, or in his army records? Would this condition have waited 40-41 years to make the "stomach big"?
First off ELvis medical records would be private from the Army, as far as I know you can not get them from the freedom of informations act like other documents.
It is a condition which worsens with age, many conditions are like this. Elvis had a weight problem all his life- bad diet, and excessive eating were problem-but the colon defect would have been part of that. Its like a new car, you may have small defect which causes no trouble at first because the car is new- but get 40,000 miles on it and it worsens till you have a problem.

[cameron]

Besides Dr. Nick there were (as far as I know) two other doctors: "Flash" Nerman and Dr. Elias Ghanem. Ghanem passed away on August 28, 2001 from cancer.


The same Dr Ghanem that put him on a 'sleep diet' he concocted, which consisted mostly of liquid nourishment and lots of sedated rest.
After two weeks, Elvis walked out ten pounds heavier than he had been when he walked in. He was in such bad shape that he was taken to Memphis and admitted. to BMH.

[KPM]

I doubt that the Presleys saw any doctors. They were just too poor .
Not many people did in the '30's and '40's.

MOST doctors make those assessments on finding a heriditary problem when things start to go wrong. I doubt that Elvis saw a doctor until he just had to.
Im sure he did not have a colon ex-ray before he became famous. An ex-ray (lower GI)of the colon is the only way they would have discovered the ganglionic fold (or if he never had a Lower GI series of tests during the autopsy) The twist or fold would get worse as he aged and it would slowly begin to cause more pain and as the colon got worse his digestion would slow. This is the path this type congenital colon problem would take. As I stated doctors do not need his childhood records to see a physical ganglionic fold or twist in his colon-it would be obvious whether they saw it when he was a child or in the autopsy.

[cameron]

Im sure he did not have a colon ex-ray before he became famous. An ex-ray (lower GI)of the colon is the only way they would have discovered the ganglionic fold (or if he never had a Lower GI series of tests during the autopsy) The twist or fold would get worse as he aged and it would slowly begin to cause more pain and as the colon got worse his digestion would slow. This is the path this type congenital colon problem would take. As I stated doctors do not need his childhood records to see a physical ganglionic fold or twist in his colon-it would be obvious whether they saw it when he was a child or in the autopsy.
I agree, KPM.
There are many instances where his colon problem is referred to before his death, if one looks. Some heridtary problems do not show up until the person starts to have trouble . The diagnosis comes from a medical education..or the desire to know. A doctor would not need any childhood records.

[franny]

Besides Dr. Nick there were (as far as I know) two other doctors: "Flash" Nerman and Dr. Elias Ghanem. Ghanem passed away on August 28, 2001 from cancer.

Thanks, for the info Tony! (y)

franny