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I found this post at Urbanplanet.com and I thought it was interesting. It's about the coming changes in Memphis and Graceland. It looks like my friend Lakeisha was right when she said a theme park could be included in the plans for the area.
"With respect to EPE, I had talked to someone that works for them and she said that people have people that visit the house tell them that if they had a convention center they would hold their national conventions at it. Since, people have been telling them this for a few years, I think they are taking them seriously and are working on a convention center. Think something along the lines of a baby opry land in that area."
Tommy
06-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Thank you for the information(y)
toffe
06-18-2007, 11:49 PM
Thank you for info :blush:
I emailed my friend Lakeisha who lives in Memphis and pretty much is up to date on what's going on there. I asked her about the "Opryland" quote I posted here and she said she didn't know much but would get back with me as soon as she found out from her friend and source. Well she just emailed me back and there are some things I found interesting. This is what she said:
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 1:14:20
From: "Lakeisha Johnson" <keke_mtown@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: EPE expansion question
To: <jay_m256@yahoo.com>
Hey what's up!
The convention center you mentioned is somethin that was originally planned by Sillerman in his initial plans. That, I remember. So I guess it's in the preliminary plans as well
As far as Opryland goes....I don't know about that. I did ask my friend what you said and his exact words were...."I can't give out too much info right now, but I can say that a lot of his fans won't be too thrilled with the changes. But you might like them. Stay tuned". So hmmm, I don't know what he means by that. But obviously everything is now bein kept tight-lipped in fear of what the fans might say or think.
I have noticed lately that the mayor of Shelby Co. is very careful about what he says referrin to the new plans for Graceland.
Jay, remember I told you that he told me a while back that there could be some type of tie-in with Disney or another company for a new themed park here and that it could be in South Memphis/ So maybe there's truth to that and what you read about Opryland. As long as they don;t try to make it some country hang out like Dollywood, lol. But as far as it bein at or across from Graceland, that I can't see them doin. At least I hope not. But he did say I would like the changes so we'll see what they decide to do.
There was a story here the other day on the news about the Whitehaven changes and the Brooks area, and they said that the city was planning to redevelop that entire area from the airport along Brooks down to EPB. So I guess Sillerman got his wish after all.
Last I heard, it's gonna cost EPE and Sillerman about $300M overall for all the new attractions and changes. So no tellin what's gonna go there in Whitehaven for that huge amount.
I'll let you in on all the details when I hear them, okay?
Holla back
<jay_m256@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Keisha, I was over at Urbanplanet.com under the Memphis City developments link looking for information about the redevelopments at Garceland and there was somebody in the know who said he was told that there's going to be a convention center and possibly a mini Opryland theme park in the plans for the new Graceland property. Do you know what he's talking about and can you find out any inside information from your source?
Thanks a lot Keke.
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4THEHEART
06-19-2007, 12:55 PM
meaningless efforts..of course means a lot for that S man..:mad:
Calm down and just let this all play out. Then make a judgment on the changes. All I am going to say about this is that if Lakeisha's friend said that she would like it then I know it's going to be something hip and cool and will bring in newer and younger fans and non fans and that the most important thing to look at. Is keeping him alive and popular.(y)
Suzan
06-19-2007, 03:06 PM
Thank you for the info, I to have heard that there are massive changes planned around Graceland.
Sillerman also said in an interview that he is thinking of moving the visitor center, etc...next to Graceland, where the main EPE headquarters are now, in the old church next to Graceland and where the Chapel is located.
I wonder if when Lisa signed over a 99 year lease on Graceland to Sillerman if she made specific request's to not have Graceland or the grounds touched? Plus I think also w/Graceland being a historic landmark, etc...that they can't touch the home and grounds themselves.
UPDATE! Lakeisha posted a new messgae about the expansion plans over at the BMG forum. Sounds to me (from what she is implying) that those who live along the property line of Graceland will soon have to give up their land to the government.
Lakeisha_22 - Jul 1, 2007 10:07 pm (#2 Total: 2)
Born and raised in the Mtown, the city where it all started
This is all interesting. My friend just told me today that from what he hears, it's not gonna be a convention center after all, but a convention hotel which will have large spaces for conventions.
The hotel is expected to be approximately 400-600 rooms and possibly 6-8 stories. That's pretty big to be across from Graceland. Probably costing around 100 million or more.
The latest on the new Visitor's Center is that it will probably more than likely be built next to Graceland, but that the final plans are still bein put together on the designs and financial cost.
It sounds like the VC is the 100M dollar museum and attraction EPE has been wantin to build. Groundbreaking won't be until sometime early 08 at the earliest.
It now sounds like an eminent domain is definitely involved with this as well. I figured it would be. For those that don't know, that means the taking of personal properties that benifits a public business or company legally by the state government. That's why Sillerman said it was very important for the state to back the project. And they have done that.
The state and city is bein asked to fund some of the project as well. From my understanding everything is goin very smoothly on both sides.
My friend said the state may be taking as much as 300 homes from residents who live in and around the Graceland area before this is all said and done.
The bill for the domain has already been passed.
That's all for now.
The newly proposed $100 million Visitor's Center sounds awesome and is much needed! Maybe an IMAX Theater is in the works with this!(y)
Suzan
07-07-2007, 05:59 PM
Well that sucks...I can't believe they'd displace 300 families who've owned homes around Graceland for awhile, etc....I am seriously thinking if I want to support EPE anymore by buying Elvis' merchandise they've endorsed or created....I think Elvis would not be very happy about this. :(
Miss Clawdy
07-07-2007, 06:29 PM
Well that sucks...I can't believe they'd displace 300 families who've owned homes around Graceland for awhile, etc....I am seriously thinking if I want to support EPE anymore by buying Elvis' merchandise they've endorsed or created....I think Elvis would not be very happy about this. :(
I totally agree with you, this is unbelievable.....poor people, poor Elvis.
EPFriend
07-07-2007, 06:40 PM
Calm down and just let this all play out. Then make a judgment on the changes. All I am going to say about this is that if Lakeisha's friend said that she would like it then I know it's going to be something hip and cool and will bring in newer and younger fans and non fans and that the most important thing to look at. Is keeping him alive and popular.(y)
Took a long time but now I see how much they care. Give people time and you learn the truth. But it doesn't matter now anyway.
Merry
07-07-2007, 07:10 PM
Many people care a great deal, more than care, there is a deep love. This is being shown through their writing of songs, through continuing Elvis' legacy through giving to others, being happy themselves, raising happy, well adjusted children. This would make him proud, in my opinion?
Elvis' friends are spending time with his fans, sharing their love through stories, giving interviews, expressing their love, over the years some have gone on cruises with fans, sm, just having fun. Giving their time to fans whom they don't know, being available, sharing loving stories, developing friendships because of their love of Elvis.
There are people on a Loop I visit, who belong to many Loops, they say that they have made so many wonderful friends, lasting friendships, because of their shared love of Elvis. Some are quite ill, members pray for them, this is all they have, because of Elvis they are happy....what could be more special?
As we all know, big business, it isn't ever going to change. You are right in that way. In my opinion, it is the real people, families; love that matters. There is so much love, because of Elvis, that is why the loving people stay on these Loops and Sites, developing their own little families, because of Elvis.
Hugs,
Jess
Graceland wouldn't be running anyone out of their homes. The Tennessee Government would do that by claiming the redevelopment of the Whitehaven area benefits the project to benefit the economy. The government and city of Memphis would help relocate the displaced by offering them more than what their land and property is valued at. It's written in the state laws. Actually this is great and it will clean up some of the scum around the mansion. I remember when I was last there in the mid 90's that I was disappointed at how people's homes were so close by. There's not much privacy. You could see panties hanging on a line in someone's back yard standing at his grave. These changes that are coming will only benefit Graceland and EP's image. Priscilla said that when E was in the Army that he told her that when he got back home he was going to buy up all the land that surrounded Graceland but was shocked to find out that it had all been sold to developers to build communities around. EP wanted that land for himself but the city sold it back then. Now he's going to get it back as he should have in the first place.
My vision of Graceland in the next 5 years would be of driving down EP Boulevard and not seeing a neighborhood or apartments. But seeing beautiful landscaping that you would find approaching Disney in Orlando. Then seeing the new layout. While visiting the mansion I would not want to see a house near the mansion as far as the eye could see. I want it to be as isolated from urban life or inner city life as possible. And I do believe that is Bob's master plan. You don;t build Convention Boutique hotels in the projects or middle to lower class communities. You invest and build in nice surroundings that attracts tourists and visitors in mass numbers. Bigger than what Graceland usually brings in which is why the expansion calls for doubling possibly tripling the amount of yearly tourists and visitors to Graceland.
Here is an example of a 300 room Convention hotel.
http://www.whc2008.org/images/radhotel.jpg
Here's another that is being built in Las Vegas.
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_4th/RenaissanceVegasRendering.jpeg
This is our new convention hotel here in Huntsville next to the arena where EP performed in 1975 and 1976.
http://www.huntsvillealabamausa.com/news/biz_news/2004/pic/embassy.jpg
Just to clear the air about this expansion. NOTHING on the grounds of Graceland will be affected or touched. The mansion, the gravesite, the farm. Nothing of that will be messed with. The only thing on that property that is being considered for improvements would be the Racquetball court being turned back into the court where EP played racquetball and sang his last songs on earth. The awards, costumes and others items will be moved into their new facility when it is completed. It's the newer purchased property (apartment complexes, restaurant and businesses) over the past couple years that will be redeveloped with new attractions. (y)
Suzan
07-07-2007, 10:06 PM
I agree I've met many many many great people thru Elvis, however, those are every day people and separated from what is going on now w/EPE, etc...
Yes the gov't would do it, HOWEVER, who petitioned them?
I don't think Elvis would want his home to be a "Disney" place....hotel's, convention centers, if I wanted that I'd go to Atlantic City...he bought his home because he wanted a HOME...and it should stay like that if they truly want to "honor" his memory.
I do agree that his friends, etc...share their stories, so forth, but lets be realistic, they've made quite a nice living for 30 yrs. doing so.:)
LONG LIVE ELVIS and his Loving memory!
Dudcowboy_1
07-08-2007, 12:11 AM
I think this well be great for Memphis. Here oyu have muti-billion dollar home now and have apartments. Do I agree on Disney type them? Not sure, but in a way I think he's doing it for kids of today to attract them to Memphis and if they see the house and his music maybe they will want to know more about him and who he was.
You gotta remember I'm 23 I never heard or saw Elvis live. It was because of my grandparents who introduce me to his music. From very first note he sang when I was little I feel in love with him. He was great man yes he had his faults but who don't?
He was the "American Dream" to be boy from no where to be international superstar. I just hope I can keep his memories coming for years to come.
Love to all,
Tim Dudley
EPFriend
07-08-2007, 01:38 PM
[QUOTE=EP75;119236] Priscilla said that when E was in the Army that he told her that when he got back home he was going to buy up all the land that surrounded Graceland but was shocked to find out that it had all been sold to developers to build communities around. EP wanted that land for himself but the city sold it back then. Now he's going to get it back as he should have in the first place.
Nothing was said to Cilla about buying up all the land. That was her idea. She figured it would be her little project. If I remember correctly it would be some way to help keep fans away from Graceland.
Burning_Love
07-08-2007, 01:53 PM
Thanks For The Info..:king:
Miss Clawdy
07-08-2007, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE=EP75;119236]
Here is an example of a 300 room Convention hotel.
http://www.whc2008.org/images/radhotel.jpg
omg:'(
Miss Clawdy
07-08-2007, 02:54 PM
I agree I've met many many many great people thru Elvis, however, those are every day people and separated from what is going on now w/EPE, etc...
Yes the gov't would do it, HOWEVER, who petitioned them?
I don't think Elvis would want his home to be a "Disney" place....hotel's, convention centers, if I wanted that I'd go to Atlantic City...he bought his home because he wanted a HOME...and it should stay like that if they truly want to "honor" his memory.
I do agree that his friends, etc...share their stories, so forth, but lets be realistic, they've made quite a nice living for 30 yrs. doing so.:)
LONG LIVE ELVIS and his Loving memory!
:clap::clap::clap:
[QUOTE=EP75;119236] Priscilla said that when E was in the Army that he told her that when he got back home he was going to buy up all the land that surrounded Graceland but was shocked to find out that it had all been sold to developers to build communities around. EP wanted that land for himself but the city sold it back then. Now he's going to get it back as he should have in the first place.
Nothing was said to Cilla about buying up all the land. That was her idea. She figured it would be her little project. If I remember correctly it would be some way to help keep fans away from Graceland.
Priscilla said this when she was on Sirius radio one day with George Klien back a few months ago. I downloaded it when Jason Edge posted the link at the BMG forum. She kind of hinted then that this was part of the plan. I realized this from reading between the lines.
franny
07-08-2007, 03:39 PM
When will all these changes take place? I have never been to Gracelend, so I can't comment on how it looks now and if they need to make and add to the changes in the surrounding area?
btw thanks, for all the info!
franny
According to what I have read and heard they would begin as early as 2008 but are expected to take anywhere from 3 to 5 years for total completion at a cost of $250 million.
Suzan
07-08-2007, 07:26 PM
I wonder what EPE will do w/Vernon's house??????? I heard that on Sirius too and thought "hmmm wonder what that means?"
My guess is that all the homes EP bought in and around Whitehaven for maids and friends and Vernon's home would be under some type of contract with the owner not to be torn down and could be part of new attractions or something. That's just my guess.
Suzan
07-08-2007, 07:43 PM
My guess is that all the homes EP bought in and around Whitehaven for maids and friends and Vernon's home would be under some type of contract with the owner not to be torn down and could be part of new attractions or something. That's just my guess.
I hope your right, I think Elvis would want his dad's home left as is...well ok maybe w/repairs, I think the current owner has just let it go...:(:(
Go to Google Earth and type in Elvis Presley Boulevard and zoom into the surrounding area around Graceland. There's a lot of potential with the amount of extra land and space that there will be be for the expansion. In other words it won;t be a small expansion but an expansion like no other.
Let me also clear something up. I too was skeptical when the news broke of Graceland being transformed into a Disneyland type of attraction. But the realization of that is that the main purpose isn't to make EP into a musical Mickey (they've already accomplished that as it is) but to enhance the overall experience of Graceland to a Disney like level. in other words beautiful landscaping in and around the area. State of the art facilities. 5-Star convention hotels and resorts. Major attractions to lure in more and more tourists. None of this is possible without the state and city of Memphis behind it 100%. And it seems that they are doing just that. Disney isn't surrounded by homes and a community as Graceland currently is. The new plans are to exclude the current area and change it completely. Seizing up land is part of the ordeal to make the massive expansions become a reality. That was what Soden meant by "controlling the donut that surrounds Graceland".
Suzan
07-08-2007, 07:57 PM
I understand what your saying and to a degree I agree w/it, but as a resident of California and seeing what Disneyland has done to Anaheim, etc...it's not all that great...it has created quite a lot of controversy among residents, etc...
I know what you mean. The problem that Disneyland is facing is that residential areas are popping up around the franchise. The difference with Graceland is that they will have control over that area now. The media has referred to Disneyland. But Bob Sillerman is referring to Disney complex in Orlando. One's more of a park (Anaheim) and the other more of a resort (Orlando).
SweetCaroline
07-08-2007, 09:24 PM
I am not sure what to think of the controversy at this point. :hmm: I haven't been to Graceland and my husband has. We discussed this at dinner tonight and he says he thinks the changes are probably a good thing. He found the area outside of Graceland itself visually quite disturbing when he was there.
If they can make those that have to be bought out happy... and make the area leading up to Graceland more lovely...hopefully it can work out for all concerned so that Graceland can be enjoyed by fans for generations to come... and the memory the fans take away a pleasant one.
Miss Clawdy
07-09-2007, 02:08 AM
The reason why Graceland is surrounded by houses is because it was Elvis' home and not a synthesized amusement park.
'To enhance the experience Graceland to a Disney like level'....it is difficult to imagine that this is a serious thought. It is a difference between making the area around Graceland lovely and building huge buildings and fairgrounds. And to say all this will take place in order to take care of the fans.....very sceptical smile.....sadly it is of course because of money, as usual.
And maybe it will just be the opposite and to this new young generation of visitors Graceland will become an uninteresting boring old house in the middle of a new exciting amusement center, but as long as they can accumulate money....
I really would like to know why Elvis fans want to go to Graceland if it is not for Elvis....because I think that Elvis himself had and still has enough strong power of attraction.
Suzan
07-09-2007, 02:13 AM
The reason why Graceland is surrounded by houses is because it was Elvis' home and not a synthesized amusement park.
'To enhance the experience Graceland to a Disney like level'....it is difficult to imagine that this is a serious thought. It is a difference between making the area around Graceland lovely and building huge buildings and fairgrounds. And to say all this will take place in order to take care of the fans.....very sceptical smile.....sadly it is of course because of money, as usual.
And maybe it will just be the opposite and to this new young generation of visitors Graceland will become an uninteresting boring old house in the middle of a new exciting amusement center, but as long as they can accumulate money....
I really would like to know why Elvis fans want to go to Graceland if it is not for Elvis....because I think that Elvis himself had and still has enough strong power of attraction.
Well said, you put into words what I could not. Thank you. :D:D
When I was there, which granted was many years ago, once in 1978 and once in 1982 after it's opening...it was quite different, but I hear that the surrounding area is kinda yucky now, which to me I would think that they would want to better the circumstances of the residents so that they can take care of their homes, etc...instead of turning it into a resort...I dunno what to say or think...I am a bit sad though....
Again very well said on all counts LawdyMissClawdy.:)
Miss Clawdy
07-09-2007, 08:57 AM
Well said, you put into words what I could not. Thank you. :D:D
When I was there, which granted was many years ago, once in 1978 and once in 1982 after it's opening...it was quite different, but I hear that the surrounding area is kinda yucky now, which to me I would think that they would want to better the circumstances of the residents so that they can take care of their homes, etc...instead of turning it into a resort...I dunno what to say or think...I am a bit sad though....
Again very well said on all counts LawdyMissClawdy.:)
Thank you Suzan :D and I agree with you too(y)
SweetCaroline
07-09-2007, 11:07 AM
Since I have NOT been to Graceland....I would like input from those that actually have been there. My husband says that outside Graceland gates...is disappointing, tacky, and actually an outright eyesore. Is that true? If you have been there....please give your take on what it looks like outside Graceland gates...so those of us that haven't been there can understand better the PROS and CONS of this issue of upgrade and expansion. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :) I am betting the opinions will be interesting.
Also....What was it like out there when ELVIS originally bought the property on Highway 51 South?
I really don't have much time right now but I will give a quick opinion from my view of things.
1)I was there in February 1995 and back then it was beginning to start to decay around the area. There was a strip club if I';m not mistaken just walking distance from the gates. I think it is gone now that EPE owns that land to the left of the mansion.
2)The entire location was turning into more of a "disgrace land" and like I said before, the homes were in his back yard and there was no real privacy while at the gravesite. I remember hearing dogs barking, police sirens and seeing people walking out in their back yard hanging their laundry on a line almost hanging over the wall just feet from his grave. It bothered me to see that.
3)It is dangerous to venture down to the gates after dark. A woman my mother once worked with was robbed and shot in the head by some kids one night while standing in front of the gates back in the late 80's. She's not the only one too. Others have been robbed and sadly even murdered. I know this because it was on the world news and I know some people from there who have told me of incidents like this.
4)Graceland has been compacted by the surrounding growth of Whitehaven. For newcomers seeing Graceland for the first time it is a total shock to them of its location. I mean you are driving down EP Boulevard and all of a sudden BAM! There it is and in the heart of a neighborhood. It's not isolated from anyone and that is why Bob Sillerman wants these changes to have a more Disney affect. Meaning isolated and in it's own unique appearance. Not in the middle of a community of low class and middle class residents.
5)When EP lived there it was suburban location and away from town. Back in 1957 there were no homes around Graceland. While EP was in the service that land was sold to city developers and homes went up faster than you could blink an eye. this was what Priscilla was talking about. Now interesting note here. EP wasn't happy by this and had it not been for the fact that Gladys had recently passed away it is very possible that EP would have sold Graceland to buy a bigger home and land in a more secluded area. This was not the case since it was his mother's home in his eyes and he wanted to keep it forever or as long as he could.
6)After EP passed there were talks of expanding EP Boulevard into a major interstate that would call for the city bulldozing Graceland and the highway running through there. Can you imagine if that had happened? Thankfully Priscilla was the one to pitch the idea of it being opened as a tourist attraction. Funny though. the city of Memphis officials at the time didn;t think it could survive. 25 years later look at it now!
All in all the real reason Graceland's attendance is down these days has nothing to do with 911 as EPE wants everyone to believe. That could have been the case following the attacks on the US. But not in the past 3 years as tourism at garceland has been down. The real reason is simply due to the fact that visiting Graceland just isn't a safe environment right now. Whitehaven especially. That is why these changes MUST be done in order to expand to make it more safer and more fan friendlier.
Suzan
07-09-2007, 03:00 PM
:D:D:D:D MissClawdy! :)
I agree w/ep75 somewhat as to the state of the area now, but back in even 1978 it was still a nice peaceful community....and I blame the city for allowing it to become what it is today....in 1978 and even in 1982 it was still a nice area, homes were upkept, there was pride of ownership. As for the homes backing onto Graceland that was that way when he was alive and he communicated w/his neighbors...
Here's one other thought I've had...w/ALL the land that Graceland sits on, why didn't Vernon have the graves placed farther out...away from the homes? Maybe had another mini meditation garden built? U know what I mean?
Anyway I still agree full heartedly w/MissClawdy.:D
Vernon didn't have the money to build another garden for the burial. EP was going broke at the time of his death.
SweetCaroline
07-09-2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks for your long post regarding my questions EP75.
I reserve the right to change my mind, :D ;) but I think this revitalization is needed by the sound of what you posted.
Seems like things are looking mighty shabby. :(
Suzan
07-09-2007, 06:22 PM
Though Elvis' estate was not worth what it is today...he was far from broke, 5 million was still quite a lot of money for 1977. :):) What would have made the estate go broke was the yearly upkeep of the house, etc...Vernon did have an offer in 1978 by a private party to purchase Graceland for somewhere in the vicinity of 20 mil...Lisa became upset so Vernon didn't go thru w/it...he then approached the city of Memphis who did all the demographics etc...but Vernon died b4 any sort of decision was made...so Pris and the new executors had most of the demographic work done for them.:D:D...EPE sidenote, was established by Elvis & the Col. in the 50's.:D It was just later re-vamped after Vernon's death.
I don't know I guess it's a wait and see thing.
franny
07-09-2007, 06:45 PM
3)It is dangerous to venture down to the gates after dark. A woman my mother once worked with was robbed and shot in the head by some kids one night while standing in front of the gates back in the late 80's. She's not the only one too. Others have been robbed and sadly even murdered. I know this because it was on the world news and I know some people from there who have told me of incidents like this.
All in all the real reason Graceland's attendance is down these days has nothing to do with 911 as EPE wants everyone to believe. That could have been the case following the attacks on the US. But not in the past 3 years as tourism at garceland has been down. The real reason is simply due to the fact that visiting Graceland just isn't a safe environment right now. Whitehaven especially. That is why these changes MUST be done in order to expand to make it more safer and more fan friendlier.
I agree! I think this would be the most important reason for making changes around Graceland!
Isn't there security at the gates?
franny
Vernon did have an offer in 1978 by a private party to purchase Graceland for somewhere in the vicinity of 20 mil...Lisa became upset so Vernon didn't go thru w/it...he then approached the city of Memphis who did all the demographics etc...but Vernon died b4 any sort of decision was made...so Pris and the new executors had most of the demographic work done for them.
Lisa was only 11 when Vernon died so I doubt she would even know what was going on with Graceland financially at that time. Maybe Priscilla was the one who was mad which would make more sense.
Suzan
07-09-2007, 07:42 PM
Hey EP, sorry wasn't clear, in the newspaper article Vernon stated that when it was mentioned to Lisa about selling Graceland she became upset, they didn't discuss the finances w/an 11 yr. old. :) I guess by what he said she didn't like the thought of Graceland being sold. Those were Vernon's words, he didn't elaborate further. :)
Him being at the age that he was and in the health that he was in at the time, I am assuming he meant to say Priscilla.
Suzan
07-10-2007, 12:11 AM
Him being at the age that he was and in the health that he was in at the time, I am assuming he meant to say Priscilla.
No he meant Lisa and it wasn't in context of money, etc...just that she didn't want the home sold.:D He may have been ill but 63 is not that old and there was nothing wrong w/his mind.
Miss Clawdy
07-10-2007, 02:27 PM
Suzan I truly believe that 11 year old Lisa became upset at the thought of losing Graceland it must have been very scary for her. And Vernon, I can imagine he wanted his son and Gladys to be near to him after somebody tried to break into the grave, but he probably didn't do a lot of thinking at that sad times.
If the surrounding area of Graceland is that horrible and dangerous for many a long year I wonder why they were waiting such a long time to make it safer and lovelier.:hmm:
........which to me I would think that they would want to better the circumstances of the residents so that they can take care of their homes, etc...instead of turning it into a resort...
what a nice thought Suzan:D:D:D,
but unfortunatelly ambitious businessmen cannot make good money in this way of tender loving care.:hmm::'(:doh:
If the surrounding area of Graceland is that horrible and dangerous for many a long year I wonder why they were waiting such a long time to make it safer and lovelier.:hmm:
They were too busy spending the money to market their beloved tacky ducks. Seriously. Back then they didn't have the funding or sources to do what they can now. EPE has said that they have dreamed for years to build a dream museum at a cost of $100 million and that it's been at the top of their wish list for years. Now they are getting to build all of the things that they wanted. The sad part is many true EP fans will never get to see these new attractions come to pass. Either they have passed on or are too old to go when they are finished. It'll take a reported 3-5 years to complete.
The argument that some fans are complaining about the changes somewhat bothers me. I can understand wanting to keep EP from being a cartoon character (although that is not what is in the plans) but to be honest EPE has already accomplished that. But if Graceland is to survive another 25 years or even a decade then this had to happen to keep interest in EP and the home. Let's face it. Graceland isn't a home anymore. It's just where the world's biggest celebrity once lived. It's now a national historic landmark. As is the Statue Of Liberty in NY, The Alamo in San Antonio, Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, Kennedy Space Flight Center in FL. But what separates Graceland from those other famous places is the fact that EP is an icon like no other. Graceland a major tourist attraction. But so is Disney and Epcot and MGM Studios. Those places bring in far more visitors by having other themed attraction added every other 3-5 years. That's what Graceland is trying to do is boost its popularity and its tourism. It is what it is. But that does not mean that it must stay as it is. Change is good and in this case change isn't just good but much needed.
Most EP fans are forgetting that Bob Sillerman isn't some unknown outsider who is coming in and changing history and turning Graceland into a theme park like the Magic Kingdom in Orlando. He's a well known entrepreneur billionaire who has made some amazing and brilliant investments in the past such as Clear Channel radio, purchasing American Idol (the biggest and top rated tv show in history), and the largest sports and entertainment firm that includes Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal. Lisa sold 85% of EPE's rights to him which included naming rights and ownership of the estate. However he does NOT own Graceland the home itself but does own and have the right to build anything that is not a danger to the legacy of EP on the grounds surrounding the original foundation and property. This is in the contract agreement. He is also allowed to market and invest in EP themed hotels and casinos and theme parks. So by him building themed attractions in Memphis, Las Vegas or London, it keeps EP's name alive in the process.
Like it or not, it is a reality that EP's original fanbase is aging fast and dying off. But there is now new growing interest from a younger generation to touring the mansion and buying EP themed items. However it is not at the level that it should and could be. This is why Bob Sillerman is expanding the estate to bring in more youth and families and in the process will generate more interest from younger adults and kids into who EP was and want to learn more about him.(y)
Suzan
07-10-2007, 03:31 PM
Thank you Miss Clawdy :D:D Lisa was 10 @ the time Vernon gave this interview, shortly after xmas, when Lisa and Cilla were in Memphis to spend it w/him...
I agree 75 to a degree...and I'll leave it @ that. Do you work for EPE?
Do you work for EPE?
Not a snowball chance in hell. I would work for Bob Sillerman but never for those creeps like Jack Soden and company.
SweetCaroline
07-10-2007, 04:17 PM
Like it or not, it is a reality that EP's original fanbase is aging fast and dying off. But there is now new growing interest from a younger generation to touring the mansion and buying EP themed items. However it is not at the level that it should and could be. This is why Bob Sillerman is expanding the estate to bring in more youth and families and in the process will generate more interest from younger adults and kids into who EP was and want to learn more about him
I am from the orginal fan group....and I agree we are fading. I have just been thrilled these past weeks to find these wonderful websites and see that ELVIS has generated such a fantastic amount of fans (and WORLD WIDE!) since his passing. It has been one of my life's greatest joys to discover this. :clap: Change is sometimes hard for people, and especially the UNKNOWN... but I am hoping that all the nay-sayers are proved wrong and something terriffic comes from these changes that will really benefit the future of ELVIS' memory :king: and Graceland.
Suzan
07-10-2007, 04:28 PM
Ok...interesting. :)
Merry
07-10-2007, 06:49 PM
I am from the orginal fan group....and I agree we are fading. I have just been thrilled these past weeks to find these wonderful websites and see that ELVIS has generated such a fantastic amount of fans (and WORLD WIDE!) since his passing. It has been one of my life's greatest joys to discover this. :clap: Change is sometimes hard for people, and especially the UNKNOWN... but I am hoping that all the nay-sayers are proved wrong and something terriffic comes from these changes that will really benefit the future of ELVIS' memory :king: and Graceland.
Dearest SweetCaroline,
I'm glad you are here, what a lovely lady you are.
Hugs,
Jess
SweetCaroline
07-10-2007, 08:06 PM
Thanks, Jess :blush:
I am glad you and every single poster on the board is here!!!
It means ELVIS is still so very much LOVED!!!
That ROCKS!!! :D:D:D
Miss Clawdy
07-11-2007, 04:41 AM
Thanks, Jess :blush:
I am glad you and every single poster on the board is here!!!
It means ELVIS is still so very much LOVED!!!
That ROCKS!!! :D:D:D
Thank you SweetCaroline:D:D:D
Diane
07-11-2007, 09:51 AM
Sweet Caroline, I'm from the original Elvis fan age group too and I do agree that it is a bit nerve wracking to wonder what is in store for Graceland in the future - as you said the "unknown"
I do agree also that the surrounding area of the mansion does need to be cleaned up. I just hope that whatever they build in it's place is tasteful and doesn't overwhelm the house. Too tall or too gaudy buildings crowding around it would kill the graceful, serene atmosphere of Graceland. I hope they know what they are doing........
Diane
Here's what I have gathered from all of the information from Lakeisha, the Memphis Commercial Appeal and the urbanplanet site.
1)There is a massive expansion that will include the funding and support by the state legislatures to enhance the Graceland experience to its fullest and to redevelop the surrounding area into a major tourist attraction.
2)EPE and Priscilla have both gone on record as to say that they will NOW get their dream museum at a cost of around $100 million. I expect this to be the main eye catcher and attraction next to the mansion itself. I don;t expect it to be a small center like the current plaza is. Not at a cost of $100 million. If they expect to raise tourism and bring in 3 times of as many visitors as now, then a major museum and attraction will have to be done.
3)Bob Sillerman plans on building a Boutique convention hotel with anywhere between 400 to 600 rooms and a possible second hotel of the same size.
4)An eminent domain is going to be issued (from what I have read and heard) to clean up the surroundings around Graceland and to make it more of an attraction on par with Disney.
5)The overall financial cost will be anywhere between $250 to 300 million. That would include groundbreaking and construction and new landscaping. I do not believe this includes what FXS and EPE are asking in funding from the state. I believe that comes with the domain plan and other costs such as a possible road reconstruction under EP Boulevard to connect one side of the street to the other without any ongoing traffic issues. Or an overhead-walk way that crosses high above EP Boulevard for pedestrians to cross to the other side without crossing traffic.
6)There were talks of an outdoor amphitheater to be included. But as of late that is no longer being mentioned. But that may be due to other plans for one down the road.
7)There will be a new Visitor's Center built most likely next to Graceland, probably a good 100 yards to the left of the home. That way construction and tourism wouldn't be interrupted. I assume the new Visitor's Center is going to be the new dream museum facility that EPE has been alluding to.
8)There will be a new shopping plaza for new gift shops.
9)Other new attraction TBA are also in the plans.
10)The total time for duration is approximately 5 years for completion.
Here's a great example of what FXS and EPE might be considering for the new visitor's center and museum attraction. This is the Science Museum of Minnesota in downtown Minneapolis. It cost $100 million to build and is a massive attraction to both the city and its economy. That's what they are expecting from the Graceland expansion.
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If there are plans to put the Lisa Marie indoors as I have heard, then it'll have to be a large facility about the size and height of the one shown above.
Diane
07-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Now that's what scares me right there EP75. Nice as that building looks it would drawf Graceland and make it look old and insignificant.(n)
They need to stay in keeping with the style of architecture of Graceland or the whole project will look thrown together.
Diane
I understand your argument and to an extent I agree with you about keeping it original or close to nostalgia. But the problem with that is times are changing and buildings are becoming more unique and eye catching than in the past. Disney tried to stay the same for years but that didn't work. So they started to be more creative and elaborate with their facilities to where they were eye catchy and modern but still kept within the theme of Disney. I'm not saying that this (the science museum) will be the exact replica of what will be built. In fact I agree it would overshadow the mansion and make it irrelevant looking. However I do believe that there will be some type of mega facility that will be the new main attraction and drawer to bringing non fans and casual fans to Graceland to take in both the tour of the mansion and the experience of his life and times through modern day technology in the new facility. Graceland is special. There's no arguing about that. However it can't stand on its own forever. You have to build around it in order to make it both appealing to the general public and exciting to visit. Kids don't get the thrill of visiting Graceland as they do the children's museum or science museum like I posted. Why? Not that EP is boring. It's just that there are no real eye catching attractions that would make them want to stay for a while and enjoy. Outside of the planes and the cars, that's basically it. There's no exhibit that tells the whole story through modern day technology as you would find at the other museum and attractions I mentioned. It is today as it was 10-15 years ago with minor upgrades.
If FXS is going to bring in a newer generation and a new fanbase and triple the yearly visitors rate and income, then he has to go this route. I'm not saying he needs to put thrill rides at Graceland. I am simply referring to new and exciting themed attractions such as a mega museum facility that you can spend half a day or longer at and still have the tour of the mansion. Make the experience as realistic, creative and exploratory as possible that reaches ALL RACES and ALL AGES. Don't limit to just EP fans and his 'white fan base" as it is today.
Because of lack of room and space, the whole thing is just crammed together today and not detailed as it should be. You got some jumpsuits scattered in the Trophy area in the racquetball court building then across the street you got the other suits in a whole new display. The same goes for all the other new exhibits that are scattered around.
There are so many different things that they can add like an IMAX theater for the concert experience. That would be a major hit for both old and new fans. A movie theater where at night you can catch an EP flick just as if it was at a regular theater using the Magic Johnson digital screen technology. They could add an EP themed restaurant just like they had on Beale St for evening dining for the fans. They could open up Graceland for evening tours and make it an all day event daily. That way you spend either all day at the attractions and then in the evening tour Graceland. Or vice versa.
Here's what I would do for the selling of the new expansion and telling EP's life story.
1)I would sell the tickets for both the mansion tour and the museum as ONE. That way nobody misses out on the new attractions and pays for them anyway. Same goes for the mansion tours. Nobody would miss out on that also.
2)I would make the tour of the mansion more of what it was like when EP lived there and remove all the exhibits and displays that they have added due to lack of space and have all of that relocated to the new facility just yards away. The new tour of the mansion would be in a fashion of walking through time and seeing the house as EP once did. Remodel the racquetball court to its originality form as it was on August 16, 1977.
3)Make the museum the story of EP's life and times. Make it elaborate and have it tell the entire story from Tupelo to Memphis to Hollywood and to Vegas. Explore his world and his life. This way nobody gets confused and the EP legacy is preserved for generations to come
Suzan
07-11-2007, 01:49 PM
EP75 seems to be a rep for Sillerman....bad enough @ times that Elvis the human being is lost and seems to be a "Mickey Mouse" figure for $$$$$$ but now this concept of a "Disney" feel...they are doing EXACTLY what they claimed wouldn't happen when this buyout took place.
One thing to clean up the area, I agree w/that, but what they are going to do...well...I don't agree. I don't think Elvis would have liked living next door to a modern building.
There are other ways and means to bring in new fans.
As for Pris, she shouldn't be involved anymore in my opinion, it should have been left up to Lisa for that is what Elvis' wish was. Pris walked out 30 some years ago...she's been w/o him longer than she was w/him...she wanted her own i.d. why now all of a sudden is she in everything Elvis?
JMO
Peace.
Diane
07-11-2007, 02:23 PM
I think EP75 has good ideas for the selling of the new expansion in combining the mansion and museum tours.
My only worry is the architectural style that they will use for the various buildings. I do realize that these are modern times but taste and quality should come before $$$$$$$$ - but I know they won't.:'( If they did consider them and stay within the style of Graceland I'll bet you they would more accumulate more $$$$$ then if they go the norm (modern) way and make the whole area look like a tacky amusement park as I think that will turn people (die-hard fans) away instead of drawing them in, and like it or not, the fans are the ones who are making the $$$$ for EPE.
Let them dare to be different and I guarantee that would pay off more than what they probably have in mind. Elvis was unique and different and so that's the way they should go. That would really make Graceland stand out.
Boy would I love to have a go at designing that place!:D
Diane
No disrespect but some aren't seeing the full picture here. There will NOT be an amusement park at Graceland. That is a given now. The place won't be tacky or overshadowed. If anything it will make Graceland stand out even more. EP lived next to modern day buildings when he died. There was a strip mall right in front of Graceland on the other side of the street. It was built in the 70's while he was living. If anything that strip mall now the plaza didn't fit well with the big mansion across the street. Now the new plans will change the whole look and make it more comforting and appealing. Graceland is already lost in the heart of an entire community of stores, and homes surroundings it. It's almost like it's not even there but hiding from the rest of the area. The new plans will broaden it and bring it out more. Making it the top attraction around that city. It will also boost their struggling economy and bring more jobs to the citizens. I was reading an article on this expansion recently and in it stated that part of the city's agreement to support financially was if EPE hire minorities including contractors. I like that they agreed to that and I like that the city suggested it as part of the deal.
In my honest opinion EP would be flattered that $250 million was being spent on his estate toe expand it and make it a bigger attraction that it already is. Hell he himself would have probably suggested a theme park in the back yard knowing how he loved them.
In the end this new expansion will boost Gracel;and, EP, and the legacy to a level unimaginable. Some may be skeptical but not me. I am 100% behind them spending the money to upgrade and expand. I can't wait to see all the changes coming. Hell I can't wait to see the final drawings of the layout design of what it will all look like 5 years from now.
Miss Clawdy
07-11-2007, 02:47 PM
You can call me old fashioned, sticking in the past, a nay-sayer or whatever, but that beats everything! I am horrified at this sight and mental picture of what they are possibly going to do with Graceland.
I find it interesting that new Elvis fans should be attracted in trying to impress them with all kinds of amusements, I always believed that you become an Elvis fan because of his music, his performance, his charisma, his uniqueness....and for all these reasons you want to learn more about his life....and finally the Elvis fan wants to go and feel the charm of Graceland.
For my part I really don't want to feel the monkey business of ultra modern facilities which have nothing to do with Elvis at all and I sure don't want to pay for it by being forced to buy a ticket including everything. As other poster said before I think there are certainly more modest solutions to renew the surrounding area without killing the gracefulness of Graceland.:D
Donut
07-11-2007, 02:50 PM
For me the ideal remodeling of the surroundings of Graceland would be buldozing all their tacky shops in front of the mansion and crap they sell inside, eliminating that horrendous faked Graceland painted gates where they force you to have your picture taken and allow you to walk up to the house.
This shows you how I feel about EPE plans on this so I won?t add anything else...
Suzan
07-11-2007, 02:51 PM
You can call me old fashioned, sticking in the past, a nay-sayer or whatever, but that beats everything! I am horrified at this sight and mental picture of what they are possibly going to do with Graceland.
I find it interesting that new Elvis fans should be attracted in trying to impress them with all kinds of amusements, I always believed that you become an Elvis fan because of his music, his performance, his charisma, his uniqueness....and for all these reasons you want to learn more about his life....and finally the Elvis fan wants to go and feel the charm of Graceland.
For my part I really don't want to feel the monkey business of ultra modern facilities which have nothing to do with Elvis at all and I sure don't want to pay for it by being forced to buy a ticket including everything. As other poster said before I think there are certainly more modest solutions to renew the surrounding area without killing the gracefulness of Graceland.:D
AMEN MissClawdy...you have so NAILED it on the head!!!!!! You can say what I can't find the words to...:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Unfortunately I do see the big picture and I"m not liking the view.
Suzan
07-11-2007, 02:55 PM
For me the ideal remodeling of the surroundings of Graceland would be buldozing all their tacky shops in front of the mansion and crap they sell inside, eliminating that horrendous faked Graceland painted gates where they force you to have your picture taken and allow you to walk up to the house.
This shows you how I feel about EPE plans on this so I won?t add anything else...
Exactly Donut! It's what they do @ Magic Mountain when u walk thru the gates, they take a pic than try to sell it to you.
Supposedly the "tacky" shops were removed but I tell u what, EPE is not selling anything better than what was there in 78 on.
I think they've forgotten about the man and all they see is the bottom line. The talk about his talent, but that is all they do...they are no longer honoring him or his incredible voice, charisma and most of all the beautiful heart that he had. He gave his life and his soul for his craft and for the fans...there is no "heart" in Memphis anymore...everything they do is for money.
Miss Clawdy
07-11-2007, 03:05 PM
Same here, I can see the whole picture and I really dislike it.:'(
I agree with you Suzan, Diane and Donut:D
Suzan
07-11-2007, 03:17 PM
Right on MissClawdy I so agree w/u as well...it's a sad thing I think.:(
Diane
07-11-2007, 03:22 PM
Scares me too Miss Clawdy. I have never been to Graceland and now I'm afraid I will never want to. I would really love to see the blueprints of this expansion but am also afraid to. They may never make them public though. Do you know about that EP75?
I can understand that they want to house the Lisa Marie plane to preserve it and that would take a rather large building along with the showing of many other things Elvis owned.
In my mind the only thing I could accept that would be in keeping with the mansion would be long low buildings, high enough to house the plane but having trees, landscaping and lots of grassy areas in between the mansion and the other buildings, in that way it wouldn't look like the other buildings were on top of it and the whole area could still keep that lovely airy look.
Doesn't matter what we think though, they will do what they want to do....Sure hope you are right EP75 and that have a better plan for this whole project than what we fear.
Diane
If it weren't for Graceland being a national tourist attraction today it is possible that society would have forgotten about EP altogether. Even though I am anti-EPE for the way they treat the image, I do have to give them the credit for opening it into a tourist attraction and now taking it to a whole new level.
I also believe that those who are against the changes will be the first ones in line as they always are.
Scares me too Miss Clawdy. I have never been to Graceland and now I'm afraid I will never want to. I would really love to see the blueprints of this expansion but am also afraid to. They may never make them public though. Do you know about that EP75?
I can understand that they want to house the Lisa Marie plane to preserve it and that would take a rather large building along with the showing of many other things Elvis owned.
In my mind the only thing I could accept that would be in keeping with the mansion would be long low buildings, high enough to house the plane but having trees, landscaping and lots of grassy areas in between the mansion and the other buildings, in that way it wouldn't look like the other buildings were on top of it and the whole area could still keep that lovely airy look.
Doesn't matter what we think though, they will do what they want to do....Sure hope you are right EP75 and that have a better plan for this whole project than what we fear.
Diane
When I first read the "Graceland turning into Disneyland quote" I was concerned and skeptical about the whole plan. But after doing a lot, and I mean a lot of research on the actual plans, I found it all extremely exciting and interesting and not tacky or degrading or classless. I am all for change and all for keeping the legacy alive until I die. I am a lifetime fan who is only 34 and I don;t want to see the day it closes due to lack of upkeep of lack of interest. And from the way they were going, it was headed that direction until FXS came into the picture and saved the day.
About the buildings being separated by trees. I can clearly see this happening due to the fact that construction would cause many visiting a severe headache trying to hear with bulldozers right there beside them. By looking at google, I think they will build the new facility in the wooded area on the left of the mansion which would be approximately 150-200 yards from the front porch of the mansion. That is roughly 2 football fields apart. I have heard that they will probably close the gates permanently and put in a new entrance from the new visitors center and attractions leading to Graceland mansion where visitors can walk by foot up to the house instead of being bussed. I like that idea.(y)
The buildings I don;t think are going to be anything small. Not by what I have gathered in all of this. If EPE is getting their dream facility, then it will more than likely be something eye catching from road view and would be mostly to entice curious and casual passerbyers. To put the Lisa Marie jet and Hound Dog 2 inside a hanger like facility, it will have to be at least 2 possibly 3 stories high and about 30-50 yards wide in diameter. Plus the new car museum will take up about 50 yards in diameter also. Keep in mind FXS himself has said they need space to display as many as 6000 items that have never been on display. They currently have about 4,000. So that should tell you it will be either a massive single level facility, which I doubt due to space and land, or a multi level facility that would allow to build upwards and save yardage in size. That science museum I posted earlier is 130 by 140 yards in diameter. That would completely fit in the opened space next to the mansion and still have room for a large 200-car parking lot to the side. Just to give you an idea of how much space they have available.
For me these changes make me stoked and excited. For someone that has actually been there, it is a dream to see this happen. I always felt that there was so much potential in expanding Graceland but the money just was not there at the time. Now they have someone in charge with deep pockets over a $billion worth and can afford to do things that they never could imagined before!(y)
About the final plans being made available. YES. I see that happening and sooner than later. The plans are starting to come together much faster since FXS and Simon Fuller went private. That way the process can move much quicker. FXS said this himself and has said that being a private company allows them to do things public companies can't. From what I can gather, I expect the blueprints and drawings to be displayed publicly by EPE before the end of the year.(y)
Diane
07-11-2007, 03:46 PM
I do agree Graceland had to be turned into a national tourist attraction in order to save it as the cost of keeping it up would have been too monumental for Lisa.
And I do agree that EPE has not handled the marketing of Elvis memorabilia in good taste much of the time.
Hopefully they will do better with this expansion. We'll all just have to wait and see..........Diane
For me the ideal remodeling of the surroundings of Graceland would be buldozing all their tacky shops in front of the mansion and crap they sell inside, eliminating that horrendous faked Graceland painted gates where they force you to have your picture taken and allow you to walk up to the house.
This shows you how I feel about EPE plans on this so I won?t add anything else...
All of the existing facilities that are across the street are going to be torn down from what I have been told. Behind that area is where the big hotel will go. It's the only location that it would fit in. I imagine that entire location of 600 by 350 yards of space will be used for the massive convention hotel and resort, such as tennis courts and spa and a large car garage for parking. It's possible that the tenant of the hotel may be a Marriott or Hilton.
I assume all the new attractions will be on the same side of street as the mansion is and the hotel or hotel's will be across the street. This way Graceland is front and center of the entire redevelopment.
Miss Clawdy
07-11-2007, 04:00 PM
I do agree Graceland had to be turned into a national tourist attraction in order to save it as the cost of keeping it up would have been too monumental for Lisa.
And I do agree that EPE has not handled the marketing of Elvis memorabilia in good taste much of the time.
Hopefully they will do better with this expansion. We'll all just have to wait and see..........Diane
I agree with you Diane and with what you said before as well. I have not been to Graceland either and sadly I won't manage it in time, as I think it already is a done deal:'(
Let me add that I do not expect the current staff such as CEO Jack Soden or Todd Morgan to be a part of the future of Graceland once FXS gets this finished. I see him removing most of the staff if not all and bringin in his own management team from NY and other areas who have experince at runing a major corportaion and franchises to run the new expansion. It will be too big for Soden to handle. Hell the current setup is too much for him to handle as it is today. Plus Soden is getting up there in age and has shown in the past that the modern day CEO business is above his head these days than it was when he took over in 1982. It is very, very possible that FXS will be the new CEO when Soden steps down or more than likely is forced to step down. Bob Sillerman as CEO would be a monster upgrade from Soden.(y)
Suzan
07-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Why I wonder is someone trying to push their view on us? hmmm???? Interesting.
Maybe someone is tight w/Siillerman or wanna be? Who knows, but w/me it's not working. :D
Diane
07-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Please, no one is pushing their views on anyone - we're all just expressing our opinions and ideas.:'(
Diane
Suzan
07-11-2007, 05:02 PM
I know.:) No worries.
Please, no one is pushing their views on anyone - we're all just expressing our opinions and ideas.:'(
Diane
Exactly!(y)
Suzan
07-12-2007, 12:35 AM
Agreed King Creole! :D:D
First of all King Creole is only here to cause trouble. If you will notice how each of his replies to me are nothing but personal off topic attacks and flaming then you would see right through him. He ruined the BMG forum with his constant personal attacks on me and a black female. But he always gets away with it here. I cannot for the sake of me understand how the Moderators allow this. But they do.
Second-to you Mr Creole. My inside source happens to be someone who lives in Memphis unlike yourself and who happens to have a close friend connected to the city council board and who happens to tell me what all is going on with the behind the scenes of the expansion plans. You can eat crow soon enough.
Third-nothing that you quoted as me saying was assumption or speculation on my part. Only what I have been told. Plus unlike yourself I know how to read between the lines of what Priscilla, Klein, FXS, and EPE have all said publicly about the upcoming changes. Do you even read the Memphis Commercial Appeal? You should because there is constantly information and news about the airport redevelopment project which includes Graceland.
Last-Moderators, I have written you and reported this impostor several times. But nothing has been done and you continue to allow it. WHY?????? He already destroyed one forum. Are you going to let him destroy this wonderful one too? I'm curious.
Diane
07-12-2007, 12:34 PM
My personal feeling is that EP75 has only tried to give us information on what he's heard about the future expansion of Graceland.
I don't see the point in belittling him for that. If his information turns out to be wrong, so be it, no one is always right or gets the right information all the time.
I really love this site and most of the people on it and I'd like to have it stay as a friendly place to discuss topics and get information without having to put up with silly egotistical arguments. Too much hostility has been going on for several months now and a lot of us are getting tired of it. Just STOP IT and go somewhere else if that's what turn you on!
Diane
franny
07-12-2007, 12:43 PM
You are 100% right, Diane!! (y)
franny
Suzan
07-12-2007, 02:26 PM
I also have "sources" in Memphis and NONE of them have said that Soden and company are or will be on their way out and believe me these people would know. The only thing they are confirming is that changes ARE going to take place around Graceland and the Whitehaven area. :)
I don't know the dynamics around here..I am fairly new...I do know I don't like personal attacks on anyone and I don't see evidence of it here...everyone seems to just be stating their opinion.
Miss Clawdy
07-12-2007, 03:52 PM
UPDATE! Lakeisha posted a new messgae about the expansion plans over at the BMG forum. Sounds to me (from what she is implying) that those who live along the property line of Graceland will soon have to give up their land to the government.
It now sounds like an eminent domain is definitely involved with this as well. I figured it would be. For those that don't know, that means the taking of personal properties that benifits a public business or company legally by the state government. That's why Sillerman said it was very important for the state to back the project. And they have done that.
(y)
Let me add that I do not expect the current staff such as CEO Jack Soden or Todd Morgan to be a part of the future of Graceland once FXS gets this finished. I see him removing most of the staff if not all and bringin in his own management team from NY and other areas who have experince at runing a major corportaion and franchises to run the new expansion. It will be too big for Soden to handle. Hell the current setup is too much for him to handle as it is today. Plus Soden is getting up there in age and has shown in the past that the modern day CEO business is above his head these days than it was when he took over in 1982. It is very, very possible that FXS will be the new CEO when Soden steps down or more than likely is forced to step down. Bob Sillerman as CEO would be a monster upgrade from Soden.(y)
And I don't like that people, no matter whether low-middle-or-high-classed, are treated ruthless to the advantage of....hmm of who actually?? :doh:
Thanks for the support everyone. I am glad the truth is finally showing. As I love to say-the proof is in the pudding. Now as of my comment about Soden and staff being replace or moved.
1)That is just my assumption only because of his age and the fact that I have heard from my source that FXS isn't as comfortable with him as CEO but he's still there due to his relationship with Priscilla.
2)Of course your source (and no I do not doubt you at all) is going to deny any staff replacement. They (the staff) can't comment on it and probably aren't aware of what is about to happen. 9 times out of 10 whenever rumors fly about a staff replacement at a major company or business, it usually happens.
But once agin this is just my assumption on this matter.
Suzan
07-12-2007, 11:51 PM
As we have our own company, I'm quite aware of how companies work, I'm just stating what I was told by my sources.:D:D:D:D:D
I agree MissClawdy...what's being done is unconscionable...I don't think Elvis would be to happy that people are being displaced from their homes in his "memory". I wonder if they'll be allowed to live @ Presley Place while they find new homes?
Miss Clawdy
07-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Thank you Suzan, you find the words for what I was trying to say:D:D:D
Suzan
07-13-2007, 12:04 AM
Your very welcome MissClawdy...:D:D:D :D You've voiced quite eliquently a few times what I was thinking but couldn't find the words to. :):D
As we have our own company, I'm quite aware of how companies work, I'm just stating what I was told by my sources.:D:D:D:D:D
I agree MissClawdy...what's being done is unconscionable...I don't think Elvis would be to happy that people are being displaced from their homes in his "memory". I wonder if they'll be allowed to live @ Presley Place while they find new homes?
You know what? That very well could happen. It would make perfect sense to do that to save face from the political and racial fallout that they would face otherwise. Some minorities (black and Hispanic) will probably complain that it' s racism and that all EPE is trying to do is run off the blacks. But most will see this as a growing opportunity to better their lives and living for their children. Some of those homes are nice but in a bad part of town which brings down the value. I'm sure many have tried to sell their homes and move to safer areas in the past but couldn't get it done. Now the eminent domain would do that for them and for more than their land is worth.
My girlfriend has been wanting to go to Graceland. But I told her to wait and that I would take her when everything is new and better. Hopefully we'll still be together if not married by then. I just know the next time I go there it will be when all of the changes are done and it's actually safe to walk up to the gates at night and not be robbed or shot or approached by a prostitute or drug dealers.(y)
Shelly
07-13-2007, 02:08 PM
This makes me sick.
Geez today is slooooooow and boring. Not much work at all. I hate days like this. Anyhow since I got a lot of time to kill, I thought I would give my idea and vision of what Graceland should resemble once the transformation is complete.
My vision of the new expansion would be a 130X150 yards in diameter facility that would house everything Elvis using modern day technology such as flat screen monitors and surround sound speakers. The museum would be built to the left of the mansion on the same side at approximately 100 yards east of the side driveway that leads to the back of the house. A new paved walkway would lead from Graceland (connecting to the side driveway) leading directly to the new Visitor's center and museum. Ticket buyers would purchase their tickets then walk up the new walkway (eliminating the shuttle bus) to the front steps of Graceland. This would give the visitor's a more intimate moment while walking towards the mansion that they wouldn't get before.
The New Visitor's Center would feature a video introduction to EP and Graceland and the new attractions in a 10 minute film. Ticket booth and Information center. Sirius Radio Headquarters. Featured at the new Visitor's center would be:
Museum
IMAX Theater
Restaurant (EP themed)
Gift Shops
The new museum (connected to the Center) would be the main new attraction highlighting EP's life from beginning to end and beyond. The building would be 3 levels with over 100,000 square feet of exhibit space combined and over 10,000 artifacts many never before displayed.
The first level of the museum would be The Early Years, from Tupelo to Memphis to Rockabilly in the 50's.
The second Level would be the Hollywood Years with everything regarding his movie career and the 60's including his marriage and the birth of Lisa Marie.
The third level would be the Vegas years and the jumpsuits and the 70's artifacts including studio session memorabilia and items.
The museum would also feature a replica of the upstairs at Graceland. This would be for the fact that the upstairs will never be a part of the actual tour. So a replica gives the fans and the visitors an experience of what it looks like up there without going up there. A virtual reality type of experience. You would walk through a maze that leads to EP's master bedroom. This would be a major attraction for the fans who have dreamed of seeing the upstairs in person.
Other new attractions at the museum would be:
an Elvis & Ali exhibit that would showcase not only the friendship of the two but their similarities in society and fame. This would make sense since FXS also owns the naming rights to Mohammed Ali also.
Musicians & Songwriters exhibit with artifacts, memorabilia, and costumes worn by artist who worked with EP such as The Sweet Inspirations, The Stamps, The Jordanaires, The TCB band and others. The exhibit would pay tribute to those who wrote for him such as Lieber & Stoller, Otis Blackwell, Ben Weisman, and others.
The Elvis-Walk A Mile In My Shoes exhibit would focus on his racial and political support (including meeting Nixon) and friendships with African Americans.
The Spiritual Side Of Elvis would be a religious experience through EP's eyes of his beliefs of God and religion.
Taking Care Of Business would be an exhibit showcasing his personal life of contracts and business moves he made throughout his life both on stage and away.
King Of Bling would be a display of all of his personal jewelry and gifts given to him and that he presented to others.
TV Specials Exhibit would be for his milestone history making TV appearances such as The Dorsey brothers, Ed Sullivan, The 68 Comeback, Aloha From Hawaii and Elvis In Concert.
The Art Gallery would be a big display of photography and artwork devoted to EP over the years.
Wall Of Gold would be a massive 20 foot high wall of nothing but gold and platinum records and awards (much bigger than the current one in the awards room)
Automobile exhibit would be an expanded version of the current car museum and would feature more unseen vehicles in a bigger display in size.
The Lisa Marie Aircraft would be on display in a huge hanger like building that would has both planes. This would be the final stage of the museum tour.
Tours of the new facility would take anywhere between 3 to 5 years to see it all and enjoy. It would be opened from 8AM-9PM 7 days a week. Visitors who stay at the new convention hotel (possibly the Marriott) would get a discount on tours of the mansion and the new museum.
EPE ARE YOU TAKING NOTES?
Lakeisha just sent me an email saying that a MGM theme park is planned to be built near Graceland in Northern Mississippi and that it will be like the Universal park in Orlando near Disneyworld. She says it's only 5 miles from Graceland. I am trying to find out more about this. She says she thinks this is tied into the new epxansion redevelopment plans for Graceland. When I hear back from her I will post what she tells me about it. I find this extremely interesting.
EP fans put on your blue suede shoes because 2008 is going to be a rememberable year for the legend of Elvis! Why? Simple. this will be the year that milestones and big announcements will be made that will change the way EP is seen for years to come!:) It all will start with the soon to come announcement about the big plans for the Graceland area. According to Memphis reporters, the groundbreaking ceremonies could begin in February.
After that will come another milestone announcement regarding the plans for a Graceland casino and hotel resort on the world famous Las Vegas strip. FXL Real Estate (Bob Sillerman's financial company) just recently purchased a parcel of 17 acres of land on the strip and are expected to use it to build a Graceland themed hotel and casino with a residential living space and retail center. There's also talks of them turning the legendary Riviera Hotel into an EP themed hotel. Bob Sillerman now owns it.
Also according to Mr Sillerman, there will be new music released over the next 5 years. Here's a direct quote from the USA Today a few months ago from Sillerman: "The next five years will see an orderly release of new music, some never heard before," he says." That being said, I also think another unexpected announcement will come this year involving EP's music rights.
Bob Sillerman has on difference accounts remarked at the fact that the estate does not have the rights to the music. He also happens to now own 19 Entertainment which is a branch of RCA and has produced many top charting artists from American idol. Not to mention his partner Simon Fuller has work related ties to RCA. I think Bob Sillerman is going to merge with RCA in a partnership just as he did with EPE and Fuller and in the process get the rights to the music while RCA keeps the muisc on their label. I read where in his deal with Lisa Marie he gets revenue from the publishing rights to EP's back catalog. This all makes sense now for a merger than ever before. RCA needs the money but they don't want to let their top seller go. So what do they do? they merge with the most powerful duo (Sillerman & Fuller) in the entertainment business. That way Sillerman gets the muisc royalties, splits it with Lisa and Fuller and RCA still gets 50/50 share of the music. I'm telling you all right now, look for this to happen. And possibly this year.
2008 will be the prelude as to what's to come in 2009. The Cirque Du Soleil makes its long awaited debut in Las Vegas at the world's largest resort, City Center and the changes at Graceland will be well underway. There's never been a better time to be an EP fan in the past 30 years!!
Now, before you put on your high heels and start to complain like brat babies about Bob Silelrman is the devil, let me just say that he's done more already in such a short time than Parker or anyone else has done with EP's name in the past 30 years!! Give the man credit where due. Don't let your bias unaware hatred towards him keep you from seeing the truth. If you don't like the man for personal reasons, then fine. That's your right. But criticizing those that do is hypocritical and out of line.
Now that all being said, let the Bob Sillerman bashing begin. But by the end of the year, those bashing will be praising. Mark my word.:)
utmom2008
01-02-2008, 03:42 PM
Now that all being said, let the Bob Sillerman bashing begin. But by the end of the year, those bashing will be praising. Mark my word.:)
:hmm::hmm::hmm: ;););)
presley31
01-02-2008, 03:54 PM
I wouldn't mind knowing what kind of music they going to release??
If he can get the rights to the Music more power to him. I'll never be able to own it myself so as long as I can still listen to my copies I'm good. I realize
I'm in the minority here but I don't really see them doing a whole lot I think is
bad so far.
JD
I wouldn't mind knowing what kind of music they going to release??
Me too. I wonder if he's referring to remixes? That would be considered "new music".
rocknroll
01-02-2008, 04:01 PM
First of all, Parker has done nothing for Elvis in the last 30 years as he has not been Elvis' manager over that time frame....and has been dead for a good portion of it.
Secondly, lecturing us on the greatness of BS is a wrong move on your part.
Thirdly, again, a lot of this sounds like your opinion or hopes. Where are the factual links to back this stuff up? Especially the Vegas and hotel stuff. Is it fact or just your opinion? Sillerman can comment all he wants about releasing new music (this above all else I hope is true), but where is the info from the record company? I'll believe them before I believe BS.
I think BS merging with RCA/Sony is a little far fetched. Again....your opinion or a fact?
SeeSeeRider777
01-02-2008, 04:03 PM
What music is left? That we havent heard.
presley31
01-02-2008, 04:04 PM
Me too. I wonder if he's referring to remixes? That would be considered "new music".
IMO l really enjoy the remixes so if that comes out that will be good in my eyes.
If he can get the rights to the Music more power to him. I'll never be able to own it myself so as long as I can still listen to my copies I'm good. I realize
I'm in the minority here but I don't really see them doing a whole lot I think is
bad so far.
JD
I would imagine by a merger that would allow Bob Sillerman to spend more money for the record company to produce albums at a higher cost instead of rehashing with the same mixes album to album. I do think in the near future, possibly this year even that FTD's will either go mainstream (as in stores) to make them more worth the cost of production or become obsolete altogether. But the material will have to be more marketable to interest Joe Public.
IMO l really enjoy the remixes so if that comes out that will be good in my eyes.
I agree. I think with Sillerman involved and getting revenue off of sales, then we will see a remix album sooner than later. The new Baby Let's Play House remix already went to #1 on Itunes ( I believe is where it reached #1). itr eplaced Alicia Keys.:)
First of all, Parker has done nothing for Elvis in the last 30 years as he has not been Elvis' manager over that time frame....and has been dead for a good portion of it.
Secondly, lecturing us on the greatness of BS is a wrong move on your part.
Thirdly, again, a lot of this sounds like your opinion or hopes. Where are the factual links to back this stuff up? Especially the Vegas and hotel stuff. Is it fact or just your opinion? Sillerman can comment all he wants about releasing new music (this above all else I hope is true), but where is the info from the record company? I'll believe them before I believe BS.
I think BS merging with RCA/Sony is a little far fetched. Again....your opinion or a fact?
You asked for links and you shall recieve links.:)
http://www.hotelchatter.com/tag/Elvis%20Hotels
In case you didn't read it carefully, I mentioned that Bob Sillerman OWNS 19 Entertainment and they are directly connected with RCA. Since when has RCA came out and talked about "new music" from EP? They just put it out without little promotion.
rocknroll
01-02-2008, 06:58 PM
You asked for links and you shall recieve links.:)
http://www.hotelchatter.com/tag/Elvis%20Hotels
In case you didn't read it carefully, I mentioned that Bob Sillerman OWNS 19 Entertainment and they are directly connected with RCA. Since when has RCA came out and talked about "new music" from EP? They just put it out without little promotion.
Well, I hope you're right about new music. I'd rather see a link confirming that instead of some hotel in Vegas.
Jungleroom76
01-02-2008, 08:32 PM
I do think in the near future, possibly this year even that FTD's will either go mainstream (as in stores) to make them more worth the cost of production or become obsolete altogether. But the material will have to be more marketable to interest Joe Public.
Interesting theory EP75... :hmm:
Honestly, I can see the possibility of the FTD CD's going mainstream in the future...however, before that happened, wouldn't you guess that FTD would try raising the prices of the CD's first to help subsidize the label? I don't see FTD just going to the mainstream market without first attempting to hike the prices of the CD's by a substantial amount to gauge just how much the fans are willing to pay for the FTD releases before they simply say enough is enough. Of course, it might help FTD's bottom line if the record shops across the street from Graceland actually had a sufficent stock of the FTD titles available for the fans to buy. I've heard from several fans that have said the availability of titles in those shops is mediocre at best. :blink:
Unfortunately, the biggest problem that I see with the CD's going mainstream is that most casual CD buyers won't really care if they have an alternate take of a song or not, which of course is the mainframe of the FTD label. So even if the CD's do go mainstream, I honestly don't know if they would do much better...
And as you pointed out....the material would have to be "marketable" to the general public...which means many of the soundtrack "Classic Album" releases would probably sell poorly. And since it would seem that the vaults are getting closer and closer to being emptied of previously unreleased material, it would appear that the "Classic Albums" series will eventually be the main focus of the FTD label. So one has to wonder if there would be enough mainstream interest in the "Classic Albums" CD's??? :hmm:
TCB!
Mike
IMO CD's are clearly near the end of the line, and the download stuff like Itunes
is going to be the future. A lot of the main stream stores like Walmarts etc have already begun scaling back on the size of the CD section. I can't really see FTD ever being main stream in that way, they're just too expensive. I think the success of the two or three songs released to Itunes in the last year show where the trend is going.
JD
The FTD releases don't sell that well at Graceland due to the enormous prices ($30.00 US). The ticket prices at Graceland today are high as it is. Many fans can't afford $69.00 VIP package and then multiple CD's costing $30.00 each. If FTD's are to survive then they (RCA) will have to reduce the price. $20.00 would be enough and the company would make a bigger profit by more being able to afford them then than they do now. For a dead man, EP's CD's should not be that expensive in my opinion.
I don't see CD's becoming obsolete for at least another 5-10 years at the earliest. Maybe even longer than that.
Well, I hope you're right about new music. I'd rather see a link confirming that instead of some hotel in Vegas.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-08-13-elvis_N.htm
Frankieg
01-02-2008, 10:21 PM
The FTD releases don't sell that well at Graceland due to the enormous prices ($30.00 US).
What an ignorant statement ...
The FTD label was/is directed at the "Collector", and original albums produced and released during Elvis' lifetime that are deemed not worthy of public demand.
Still, these discs sell between 5,000-10,000 cd's and enough profit is earned to keep the label driving and at full force.
I mean, seriously, were up to what, almost 70 FTD's ??? How in the world would these discs be visable if no profit was being made ?
The loving remastering, care and studio time given by Kevan Budd and Sebastian Jeansson are shared by a labour of love for Elvis and his everlasting legacy.
Your reply is NOT fact EP75, but a mere opinion.
Frankieg
01-02-2008, 10:26 PM
I would imagine ... I would think ...
This is all we ever get from EP75 ...
Oh, so Sillerman is now "supposedly" getting a hold of releasing Elvis music, HUH ?
Wow, he's sure off to a great start for 2008 with the redundant, crap release "Viva Las Vegas" soundtrack ... :doh::doh::doh:(n)(n)(n)
Wendy56
01-02-2008, 11:02 PM
Gee! EP75, you mada a great newspaper note here... :D Thanks a lot for the information.
Awickedreigndrop
01-02-2008, 11:48 PM
If he can get the rights to the Music more power to him. I'll never be able to own it myself so as long as I can still listen to my copies I'm good. I realize
I'm in the minority here but I don't really see them doing a whole lot I think is
bad so far.
JD
Maybe he needs to get the rights to Elvis' music. Then maybe these "Viva Viagra" and "Love Me Tender" ham commercials will stop. I hope it wouldn't be the other way around though, more crazy Elvis themed commercials.
Getlo
01-03-2008, 04:19 AM
Now, before you put on your high heels and start to complain like brat babies about Bob Silelrman is the devil, let me just say that he's done more already in such a short time than Parker or anyone else has done with EP's name in the past 30 years!!
A ludicrous statement. And again, many lines written without sources.
Now that all being said, let the Bob Sillerman bashing begin. But by the end of the year, those bashing will be praising. Mark my word.:)
Consider your word marked - by me - right here and now.
And here is mine: by the end of this year (perhaps even by, say, June) the majority of fans wil be even more up in arms than they are now over the crap that BS and EPE have done/are doing/will do.
Consider your word marked - by me - right here and now.
And here is mine: by the end of this year (perhaps even by, say, June) the majority of fans wil be even more up in arms than they are now over the crap that BS and EPE have done/are doing/will do.
I don't doubt it, and if so in this case it is out of some need to be outraged because you could live being an Elvis fan, watch his movies, listen to his music, Watch old concerts and never buy anything EPE or Sillerman are doing today. Nobody has to buy anything they sell, for me anyway They aren't really that hard to avoid. I only buy what I like, see or listen to what I enjoy . If I never bought anything else I'd be able to coast out my life, I suspect most, could too.
JD
I'm just saying that by the end of the year when we have seen renderings of what the new transformation will look like, that the fans complaining and moaning about it will be singing a different tune. It's like when you run water around a cat and it freaks out, but when you stick his feet in the nice warm water (to clean them) he relaxes and realizes it's not as bad after all as he thought it would be. That's how I think the fans will see the new redevelopment when it's finished. It won't be as bad as they thought.:)
utmom2008
01-03-2008, 02:24 PM
It's like when you run water around a cat and it freaks out, but when you stick his feet in the nice warm water (to clean them) he relaxes and realizes it's not as bad after all as he thought it would be.
:lmfao::lmfao:That may be the funniest post that I have ever seen on this board. I have several cats, and NO...they never enjoy having their paws in any nice warm water. If that's a comparison as to how Elvis fans will receive the BS shenanigans.....then I'm afraid Sillerman is in for a rude awakening.:supriced::supriced:
utmom2008
01-03-2008, 02:26 PM
If I never bought anything else I'd be able to coast out my life, I suspect most, could too.
Are you saying that you didn't want one of those outrageous Elvis talking heads?? And they were offered at such a reasonable price...;););)
Are you saying that you didn't want one of those outrageous Elvis talking heads?? And they were offered at such a reasonable price...;););)
LOL they were kinda creepy weren't they?
JD
Miss Clawdy
01-03-2008, 03:24 PM
:lmfao::lmfao:That may be the funniest post that I have ever seen on this board. I have several cats, and NO...they never enjoy having their paws in any nice warm water. If that's a comparison as to how Elvis fans will receive the BS shenanigans.....then I'm afraid Sillerman is in for a rude awakening.:supriced::supriced:
:lol::lol::lol: Really? Then my cats are not the only ones who don't like
a nice warm footbath??? :lol::lol::lol:
Well let's put it this way. Some cats complain and others don't.:)
Johnny
01-03-2008, 04:48 PM
Isn't the first topic a complete and utter violation of the 4th rule of the Code Of Conduct???
4. Please do not harass, threaten, stalk, spam, or otherwise abuse other users.
rocknroll
01-03-2008, 08:50 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-08-13-elvis_N.htm
Old article that confirms nothing. I will be satisfied when I see something official from the record company.
Getlo
01-03-2008, 09:20 PM
I hate cats ...
Just to let you all know. ;)
utmom2008
01-03-2008, 10:15 PM
I hate cats ...
Just to let you all know. ;)
Getlo...we were getting along so well! ;):D
Frankieg
01-03-2008, 10:39 PM
Old article that confirms nothing. I will be satisfied when I see something official from the record company.
Right on brother ...
The truth shall set you free :!:
EDOEP
01-04-2008, 01:00 AM
:lol::lol::lol: Really? Then my cats are not the only ones who don't like
a nice warm footbath??? :lol::lol::lol:
funny, makes already 3 whose cats used to clean their dirty paws themselves - by licking them!
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
somehow i get the feeling some buddies here know as little about cats as they know about managment and the laws :lol:. just wonder why they keep delving into topics they don't have the slightest clue of.
hugs, ellie
Diane
01-04-2008, 08:19 AM
I agree with JD. If fans are not happy with the junk EPE puts out for sale...don't buy them! I also have enough memorabilia, vinyls, CDs and videos to last me a lifetime. The only other thing I would care to have them put out is everything they have on EOT, TTWII and concerts we haven't any footage of.
Getlo you don't know what you're missing. Cats are bright, mischievous, funny and very loving.
Diane
P.S. My cats don't like warm foot baths either.:)
utmom2008
01-04-2008, 10:43 AM
somehow i get the feeling some buddies here know as little about cats as they know about managment and the laws :lol:. just wonder why they keep delving into topics they don't have the slightest clue of.
hugs, ellie
:lmfao::lmfao:You are right Ellie!:notworthy I even asked mine last night if they wanted to take a warm bath and wash their little paws, alas...they declined!:lol::lol:
EDOEP
01-04-2008, 12:30 PM
:lmfao::lmfao:You are right Ellie!:notworthy I even asked mine last night if they wanted to take a warm bath and wash their little paws, alas...they declined!:lol::lol:
:P
glad you didn't try to 'persuade' them by giving it a try - would have missed your postings if your oculist at the hospital had to keep you 'inpatient' for weeks until your scratched eyes are healing ;).
hugs, ellie
utmom2008
01-04-2008, 01:33 PM
:P
glad you didn't try to 'persuade' them by giving it a try - would have missed your postings if your oculist at the hospital had to keep you 'inpatient' for weeks until your scratched eyes are healing ;).
hugs, ellie
:lol::lol::lol: :lmfao::lmfao:
Joe Car
01-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Just went through the "Elvis Album" book I received for Christmas. My God, going through the articles, it shows that as early 1956 they were peddling all kinds of things with EP's name on it, from Elvis Presley lipstick, to Elvis Presley pencils, to I love Elvis, to I hate Elvis. Nothing's changed, only the stakes are much higher, and it's EPE controlling the interests, rather then the Colonel.
nolvis
01-04-2008, 02:13 PM
Sound's like somebody is getting their paw's into hot water again!(lol):lol::doh::lol:
Just went through the "Elvis Album" book I received for Christmas. My God, going through the articles, it shows that as early 1956 they were peddling all kinds of things with EP's name on it, from Elvis Presley lipstick, to Elvis Presley pencils, to I love Elvis, to I hate Elvis. Nothing's changed, only the stakes are much higher, and it's EPE controlling the interests, rather then the Colonel.
Actually it's CKX who is in control of the merchandise now. The ducks was EPE's doing but everything since has been CKX doing such as the delicious Peanut butter and banana Reese's Cups. But you are correct about the other stuff about EP's name being thrown on anything and everything as far back as 1956. Remember the fan who went on tv in the 50's and showed her EP perfume and other items?
Frankieg
01-04-2008, 10:01 PM
the delicious Peanut butter and banana Reese's Cups.
Are you being serious or sarcastic EP75 ?
If you're serious, then I would agree with you 100% that those peanut butter cups were/are really good and sold amazingly well in my neck of the woods ... (y)
EDOEP
01-05-2008, 01:04 AM
Sound's like somebody is getting their paw's into hot water again!(lol):lol::doh::lol:
some of us can stand hot water (y), some can't. the latter are the ones who keep constantly clicking buttons ..... 'daaaddyyyyyyyy, i was thrown in the hot water again! beat them!'
:lmfao:
hugs, ellie
EDOEP
01-05-2008, 01:12 AM
Actually it's CKX who is in control of the merchandise now. ...
YES!
the entire elvis fanworld should send millions of letters of acknowlegement to bob sillerman ('Sillerman is the BEST thing to happen to the Elvis World in a very long time ...') for the 'talking head' and similar stuff :doh:.
what would elvisfans do WITHOUT such extraordinary memorabilia highlights? i mean, those fans with a halfway good taste!
now, if THIS was a typical example of what is to come mr. sillerman MIGHT have to rethink his strategy :lol:
ellie
presley31
01-05-2008, 06:31 AM
Actually it's CKX who is in control of the merchandise now. The ducks was EPE's doing but everything since has been CKX doing such as the delicious Peanut butter and banana Reese's Cups. But you are correct about the other stuff about EP's name being thrown on anything and everything as far back as 1956. Remember the fan who went on tv in the 50's and showed her EP perfume and other items?
Thanks (y)(y)
YES!
the entire elvis fanworld should send millions of letters of acknowlegement to bob sillerman ('Sillerman is the BEST thing to happen to the Elvis World in a very long time ...') for the 'talking head' and similar stuff :doh:.
what would elvisfans do WITHOUT such extraordinary memorabilia highlights? i mean, those fans with a halfway good taste!
ellie
FINALLY!!! You see the light.:D
EDOEP
01-05-2008, 10:36 AM
FINALLY!!! You see the light.:D
i see the light every day when i open my eyes and get out of my bed :blink:.
since - THANK GOD! (and my interor design preferences) - not a single piece of trash like sillerman's and EPE's lapses of good memorabilia taste are standing / lying / hanging around in our house and my office, i can even keep my eyes open all day long without suffering any harm :).
ellie
MissyM
01-05-2008, 10:59 AM
Maybe when they make a matching set of Bobble heads, (of the whole family).... I'll buy the set. Elvis, Pricilla (in her wedding gown of course) and Lisa. Now there's an idea I should send in to EPE. Yah think the board would approve it?
Maybe when they make a matching set of Bobble heads, (of the whole family).... I'll buy the set. Elvis, Pricilla (in her wedding gown of course) and Lisa. Now there's an idea I should send in to EPE. Yah think the board would approve it?
I actually like this idea.(y)
EDOEP
01-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Maybe when they make a matching set of Bobble heads, (of the whole family).... I'll buy the set. Elvis, Pricilla (in her wedding gown of course) and Lisa. Now there's an idea I should send in to EPE. Yah think the board would approve it?
where's your petition, i'll sign it :lol:
hugs, ellie
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 11:25 AM
YES!
the entire elvis fanworld should send millions of letters of acknowlegement to bob sillerman ('Sillerman is the BEST thing to happen to the Elvis World in a very long time ...') for the 'talking head' and similar stuff :doh:.
what would elvisfans do WITHOUT such extraordinary memorabilia highlights? i mean, those fans with a halfway good taste!
now, if THIS was a typical example of what is to come mr. sillerman MIGHT have to rethink his strategy :lol:
ellie
Well....I passed on the "talking head", but I am giving some serious thought to the Elvis trash can. I could look at it while I'm in the bathroom letting my cats soak their little paws. ;););) :lol:
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 11:26 AM
Maybe when they make a matching set of Bobble heads, (of the whole family).... I'll buy the set. Elvis, Pricilla (in her wedding gown of course) and Lisa. Now there's an idea I should send in to EPE. Yah think the board would approve it?
:lmfao::lmfao: Go for it Missy...I'll buy the 1st set!! :D:D
Well....I passed on the "talking head", but I am giving some serious thought to the Elvis trash can. I could look at it while I'm in the bathroom letting my cats soak their little paws. ;););) :lol:
Give it a rest will ya.(n)
Diane
01-05-2008, 11:52 AM
I think the answering posts are hilarious! :lol: My laugh for the day...thanks ladies!(y)
Diane
EDOEP
01-05-2008, 11:56 AM
Well....I passed on the "talking head", but I am giving some serious thought to the Elvis trash can. I could look at it while I'm in the bathroom letting my cats soak their little paws. ;););) :lol:
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excellent idea, rosanne (y).
what a stylish way to sooner or later dispose of the following:
- 'elvis cat-manicure-set',
- 'elvis cat-shampoo',
- 'elvis anti-flea-band' (or whatever the correct english term is :), in german it's 'flohhalsband'),
- 'elvis cat-feeding dish',
- 'elvis cat-cradle', with integrated music box, playing '4 dirty paws' .... oooops, '5 sleepy heads' of course!
- 'elvis cat-cushions' for the cradle,
- 'elvis cat-perfume smelling like 'brut' and last but not least an
- 'elvis cat-toymouse' screaming 'i'm so hurt' when bitten.
now, missy m, could you do me the favour and consider giving above suggestions a second thought before submitting your list to sillerman?
like the threadowner said: in 2008 there are 'BIG announcements to come' (y)
ellie
MissyM
01-05-2008, 01:29 PM
Why you want a Vernon one too??
Miss Clawdy
01-05-2008, 03:35 PM
I hate cats ...
Just to let you all know. ;)
Getlo, I hope this wasn't a personal attack ;).
Miss Clawdy
01-05-2008, 03:46 PM
:lmfao::lmfao:You are right Ellie!:notworthy I even asked mine last night if they wanted to take a warm bath and wash their little paws, alas...they declined!:lol::lol:
:lol::lol::lol: Don't give up! Once we will get the wonderful things
mentioned on Ellie's wishlist....there will be a ray of hope for our cats! :lol::lol::lol:
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 04:11 PM
Give it a rest will ya.(n)
Come on.....where is your sense of humor? :D:D You know there's a funny visual people have of kitties soaking their paws..(y) That's what we are finding humor in...;)
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 04:12 PM
I think the answering posts are hilarious! :lol: My laugh for the day...thanks ladies!(y)
Diane
Glad to know you enjoyed it Diane! (y)(y)(y)
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 04:15 PM
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- 'elvis cat-perfume smelling like 'brut' and last but not least an
- 'elvis cat-toymouse' screaming 'i'm so hurt' when bitten.
These 2 are my absolute favorites!(y)(y)(y) I would buy several of both!(y)
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 04:17 PM
:lol::lol::lol: Don't give up! Once we will get the wonderful things
mentioned on Ellie's wishlist....there will be a ray of hope for our cats! :lol::lol::lol:
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Diane
01-05-2008, 07:08 PM
If there is going to be a trend of perfume for cats, you two try it out on yours and let me know if you've survived it.:lol:
Diane
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 07:09 PM
If there is going to be a trend of perfume for cats, you two try it out on yours and let me know if you've survived it.:lol:
Diane
I will definetly keep you updated on their fragrance preferences! :D:D
Um, please explain to me what cats have to do with Elvis related topics?:hmm:
Diane
01-05-2008, 08:00 PM
:supriced:;):lol::lol::lol:
Jungleroom76
01-05-2008, 08:12 PM
Love the humor folks... :lol:
But let's try and stay on an Elvis related topic in the Elvis forum please! Always keep in mind that we have the OFF TOPIC FORUM for any non-Elvis related topics you would like to chat about! (y)
TCB!
Mike
Diane
01-05-2008, 08:22 PM
Sorry Mike, you're right but when opportunity opens that wide you just HAVE to respond. :lol:
I'm done, Diane
Jungleroom76
01-05-2008, 08:25 PM
Couldn't agree more Diane!! If the opportunity was there for me, I probably would have jumped at the chance myself!! ;)
Just wanted to make sure things didn't get too far out of hand...that's all!! :D
Thanks for understanding everyone and HAVE FUN!!!
TCB!
Mike
Frankieg
01-05-2008, 09:44 PM
Hey Jungleroom76, That avatar u got is awesome !!! :)
Before anyone criticizes me for posting this, I have to point out that this is old (from August 2007) but it's as clear of a picture as we have been given yet of the upcoming changes. I have highlighted the main points where Jack Soden talks about the new visitors center and hi-tech museum. Obviously this is going to be a park setting after all with a theme of museum. So in other words, it will be somewhat of a museum theme park without rides. Anyhow here is important parts of the story. Some of it Lakeisha already mentioned here and some were calling her a liar too.:hmm:
Repackaging the Graceland experience, which will take years and $250 million, will include razing the cramped visitor center — located in a former strip mall across the street from the white-columned mansion — and replacing it with a facility roughly seven times the size of the King’s home.
“We’ll have really achieved something if they’re driving down Elvis Presley Boulevard, getting closer to this island, this campus, and they’re going, ‘We’re here. We can tell we’re here,’ ” he said. “And that’s going to take a lot of green space, and a lot of investment in the infrastructure of the street, the neighborhood.”
One of the first major changes to Graceland will be the closing and relocation of the current visitors’ center to the mansion side of Elvis Presley Boulevard, eliminating the noisy shuttle system that has been carrying fans across the busy street for years.
“The whole new visitor complex will be next to Graceland, but separated by the woods that are already there,” said Soden. “There will be new parking, walking into a gorgeous multi-functional building, then walking out of it and kind of a walk through the woods, and suddenly there is Graceland — and then touring Graceland, restored to exactly the way it was the way when Elvis lived there.”
After visitors tour the mansion, they will be led to a new facility housing high-tech Elvis exhibits, like the digital wizardry that allowed Elvis and Dion to perform together.
There’ll be “another walk through the woods to all-new exhibits — 4D entertainment experience, which is basically taking advantage of every audio-visual technology,” said Soden.
The existing 128-room Heartbreak Hotel will be razed and replaced by a much larger convention hotel, also on the mansion side of Elvis Presley Boulevard.
The side of the street that is currently home to the visitor center and Heartbreak Hotel would see “more hotels, more entertainment, food and beverage, retail, kind of a village,” Soden said.
Sillerman and Graceland officials have been working on the transformation plan for over a year.
So according to Soden there are going to be multiple facilities built next to Graceland in that wooded area (look on Google Earth) and the houses that are there now behind the woods must be the ones Lakeisha said Bob Silelerman recently purchased. I measured that land and space and it's approximately over 300-400 yards deep and 400 yards wide. That's half the size of Disney World, by the way.:hmm:
And one more thing-didn't EPE say that the current plaza would remain opened and not be interrupted? Well according to this article from Soden's mouth, it will be closed and removed. I would not be surprised now if Graceland closes down for a month or two in the future while this process is going on then re-open it as a new attraction. Notice Soden him self says it will be RESTORED to it's original form.:hmm:
Oh and what exactly does 4-D entertainment experience mean?:hmm:
I forgot about the hotel. They are now saying it will be built on the same side as Graceland and the new attractions. Then what the heck will be on across the street in that large 60+ acres of land where the hotel, plaza, and apartment complex behind the plaza sits?:supriced:
Here's the link to the whole article. http://www.goelvis.com/2007/08/11/elvis-the-original-american-idol/
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 11:47 PM
there is Graceland — and then touring Graceland, restored to exactly the way it was the way when Elvis lived there.”
Notice Soden him self says it will be RESTORED to it's original form.
Then we are to assume that Lisa has approved all of the restoration to Graceland?? That's.....certainly.....interesting.:hmm::doh:
utmom2008
01-05-2008, 11:57 PM
Um, please explain to me what cats have to do with Elvis related topics?:hmm:
You threw the line out there to begin with Jay..we took it and ran.:D Lighten up...we can all use a little humor from time to time.(y)
Sorry Mike....last post on that!
Suzan
01-06-2008, 01:19 AM
How many times is one topic/thread going to be posted? Isn't this against the spamming rules?
And re-read, not what Soden meant. Lisa has very quite recently stated NO CHANGES TO GRACELAND, as she is the OWNER she would know and that is who's word I'm taking.
Also "restored to original" while Elvis lived there could mean back in the 50's or the 60's...highly doubt will be the "red" phase. I say it remains as is, more likely he meant in context the way it is now as they claim it's as it is when Elvis lived there, Lisa herself calling it a time capsule.:) But again I stand by my last sentence in paragraph one.:)
EDOEP
01-06-2008, 01:44 AM
Love the humor folks... :lol:
But let's try and stay on an Elvis related topic in the Elvis forum please! Always keep in mind that we have the OFF TOPIC FORUM for any non-Elvis related topics you would like to chat about! (y)
TCB!
Mike
i can only second diane .... would have been a crying shame if we did not jump on it. just too silly. the 'cat-paw-soaking' has potential of becoming a running gag.
back on topic: looking at the initial posting, the usual lack of facts and mere hear-say and personal opinions (again) ... IMHO the thread might be moved to 'OT' just as well anyway.
have a nice sunday, ellie
EDOEP
01-06-2008, 02:01 AM
How many times is one topic/thread going to be posted? Isn't this against the spamming rules?
And re-read, not what Soden meant. Lisa has very quite recently stated NO CHANGES TO GRACELAND, as she is the OWNER she would know and that is who's word I'm taking.
probably many many more times, suzan :doh:.
we had the 'restoration to red' in other threads, we had the '250 millions' in other threads, we had the couple of 'surrounding acres', in other threads, same old bla bla bla bla bla.
fact is: the article that's quoted below indeed (again (n)) is 'old stuff': it dates back to august 11th, 2007.
lisa marie's statement (suzan, could you provide me with the link, sweetie?) was made later, and she's the owner of GL.
so the entire thread (another one!) is completely unnecessary, looking at the sources, the importance of the source and the dates.
i am aware the mods may have a different attitude, but like many members here i regard the umpteenth thread on one and the same topic as SPAM.
hugs, ellie
Getlo
01-06-2008, 02:23 AM
fact is: the article that's quoted below indeed (again (n)) is 'old stuff'
Agreed. Same ol', same ol. :rolleyes:
toffe
01-06-2008, 05:32 AM
Will Heartbreak hotel be demonished ?
rocknroll
01-06-2008, 05:35 AM
Um, please explain to me what cats have to do with Elvis related topics?:hmm:
Wasn't Elvis called "The Hillbilly Cat"?:lol::lol::lol:
rocknroll
01-06-2008, 05:41 AM
Will Heartbreak hotel be demonished ?
Sounds like it. Rebuilt bigger and better?
EDOEP
01-06-2008, 06:10 AM
Wasn't Elvis called "The Hillbilly Cat"?:lol::lol::lol:
now that you mention it .......... (y)
:hug: ellie
MissyM
01-06-2008, 06:16 AM
Did Elvis even like cats or have any?? I can't remember???
Miss Clawdy
01-06-2008, 07:16 AM
Um, please explain to me what cats have to do with Elvis related topics?:hmm:
:hmm:;)
There is your answer :D:
I'm just saying that by the end of the year when we have seen renderings of what the new transformation will look like, that the fans complaining and moaning about it will be singing a different tune. It's like when you run water around a cat and it freaks out, but when you stick his feet in the nice warm water (to clean them) he relaxes and realizes it's not as bad after all as he thought it would be. That's how I think the fans will see the new redevelopment when it's finished. It won't be as bad as they thought.:)
Love the humor folks... :lol:
But let's try and stay on an Elvis related topic in the Elvis forum please! Always keep in mind that we have the OFF TOPIC FORUM for any non-Elvis related topics you would like to chat about! (y)
TCB!
Mike
Sorry Mike :D, but isn't it great that this thread turned into fun instead of
something else ;)?
Wasn't Elvis called "The Hillbilly Cat"?:lol::lol::lol:
And....can we deny this fact? :lol::lol::lol:
Diane
01-06-2008, 07:36 AM
Just to answer Missy's question, Lisa had a couple of cats.
Diane
Sorry. I just found this late last night and thought it was very interesting and somewhat new as far as what EPE has been telling the fans when this is straight from the horses mouth. I too want to see where Lisa makes that statement.:hmm: Obviously she has agreed to allow Bob Sillerman to restore the mansion back to it's originality after all for Soden to make that claim publicly.
The parts that got me was Soden taking us through a visual of what the tours will be like with new museums and facilities. It sounds amazing from how he described it. But i did notice there was no mention of the car museum or the planes.:hmm:
Yes the Heartbreak hotel will be torn down. This was confirmed earlier this past summer. Also the new hotel will be on the same side of street as the mansion. I checked Google Earth last night and noticed that there's about 500yards wide of space (from Graceland to the neighborhood along EP Boulevard) to build the hotel and the new attractions and museums. As I said last night, it's half the size of the entire Disney World theme park itself.:supriced: But my biggest question is what are they going to build across from the mansion if everything is going to be on the same side of street?:hmm:
Ellie, I don't know what world you live in or how things are accepted over there but here in America that isn't considered "old". That article is only 4 months old. Still practically and relatively new as it refers to what is soon to come. It's not like it was written 4 years ago.:doh:
I also agree with the idea of a Graceland Redevelopment thread or section since this is a popular topic.:hmm:
cameron
01-06-2008, 09:41 AM
Sorry, but I read this a long ago too. I'm content to just "wait and see" just how much some of this comes to pass. No problem with Sillerman; he'll get my applause when it's done ....if I like it. ;)
It might be nice to confine all this to one thread for ones that are interested .
Just my opinion , of course.
Just to give everyone a better vision of how big and massive the entire area now is, here's a map of the new Graceland property from google Earth. All of the land left of the mansion is now owned by Bob Sillerman. That is the area where the new museums and exhibits and visitor center will all go. The new visitor center is expected to be twice the size of the current one. The area with the apartment complex will most likely be the area for the new hotel. By using Google Earth ruler, that (the apartment complex alone) is approximately 350 yards (from street to lots) and 200 yards (across). From the side street to the mansion wall is 600 yards total across, with Graceland included comes to over 750 yards wide. There's approximately 45 acres in all (not counting the original Graceland grounds).
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/graceland_ex-phase1.jpg
The bottom view is across the street from Graceland mansion and all of the area shown is now owned by FXS also. The land stretches over 600 yards wide from end to end and 530 yards deep (from street to back lots). There is approximately 60 acreas of land in this parcel. The current plaza, Heartbreak Hotel, and that building in front of the hotel along with the RV park in back and the wooded area and the two large apartment complexes will all be demolished for redevelopment of that area. The question still lingers, what exactly will be built there?
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/graceland_ex-phase2.jpg
EP fans put on your blue suede shoes because 2008 is going to be a rememberable year for the legend of Elvis! Why? Simple. this will be the year that milestones and big announcements will be made that will change the way EP is seen for years to come!:) It all will start with the soon to come announcement about the big plans for the Graceland area. According to Memphis reporters, the groundbreaking ceremonies could begin in February.
After that will come another milestone announcement regarding the plans for a Graceland casino and hotel resort on the world famous Las Vegas strip. FXL Real Estate (Bob Sillerman's financial company) just recently purchased a parcel of 17 acres of land on the strip and are expected to use it to build a Graceland themed hotel and casino with a residential living space and retail center. There's also talks of them turning the legendary Riviera Hotel into an EP themed hotel. Bob Sillerman now owns it.
Also according to Mr Sillerman, there will be new music released over the next 5 years. Here's a direct quote from the USA Today a few months ago from Sillerman: "The next five years will see an orderly release of new music, some never heard before," he says." That being said, I also think another unexpected announcement will come this year involving EP's music rights.
Bob Sillerman has on difference accounts remarked at the fact that the estate does not have the rights to the music. He also happens to now own 19 Entertainment which is a branch of RCA and has produced many top charting artists from American idol. Not to mention his partner Simon Fuller has work related ties to RCA. I think Bob Sillerman is going to merge with RCA in a partnership just as he did with EPE and Fuller and in the process get the rights to the music while RCA keeps the muisc on their label. I read where in his deal with Lisa Marie he gets revenue from the publishing rights to EP's back catalog. This all makes sense now for a merger than ever before. RCA needs the money but they don't want to let their top seller go. So what do they do? they merge with the most powerful duo (Sillerman & Fuller) in the entertainment business. That way Sillerman gets the muisc royalties, splits it with Lisa and Fuller and RCA still gets 50/50 share of the music. I'm telling you all right now, look for this to happen. And possibly this year.
2008 will be the prelude as to what's to come in 2009. The Cirque Du Soleil makes its long awaited debut in Las Vegas at the world's largest resort, City Center and the changes at Graceland will be well underway. There's never been a better time to be an EP fan in the past 30 years!!
Now, before you put on your high heels and start to complain like brat babies about Bob Silelrman is the devil, let me just say that he's done more already in such a short time than Parker or anyone else has done with EP's name in the past 30 years!! Give the man credit where due. Don't let your bias unaware hatred towards him keep you from seeing the truth. If you don't like the man for personal reasons, then fine. That's your right. But criticizing those that do is hypocritical and out of line.
Now that all being said, let the Bob Sillerman bashing begin. But by the end of the year, those bashing will be praising. Mark my word.:)
I recall some of this being announced in 06 or 07 is all this suppose to be new info?
The quote about new music, it seems we have discussed this before and it does not necessarily mean new music as I would see it-alternate takes are new music, so are unreleased soundboards and jams. Why would a reporter not follow up tha answer with "Are you saying new songs never before heard or released in any form?"
Instead we get this hope of something which may be nothing.
Also Lisa and the estate do not get any royalties for anything prior to 1973-only recordings made after 73 so BMG/Sony never has to share any of those with anyone. The releases after 1973 of new music were pretty sparse compared to the wealth of music BMG/Sony already own fully.
i live in the same world as you you - just on a different continent. and i live in a world where postings are read until their content is understood.
you didn't get the point, i'm afraid! read again what i said, i'll highlight the keywords for you. lisa marie made her statement AFTER that publication .... that makes it pretty meaningless (except for historians, maybe).
last but not least: maybe it's my fault that i get easily bored with some posters, because i live in that kind of environment where people normally
a/ understand what the other one says and
b/ respond to that content, especially if it contains new aspects, instead of
c/ repeating like a tibetan prayer wheel their initial statements.
you see .... i have a husband, i have a fulltime job, i have plenty of other hobbies. never ending redundancy in numerous postings on one and the same topic by always the same members are a waste of time, nothing else. maybe those who have no family, no job and no other hobbies need neverending repetitions to kill their spare time - I DON'T!
i am interested in the deveolpment of graceland, no doubt. but not the same old rubbish over and over again.
ellie
fact is: the article that's quoted below indeed (again ) is 'old stuff': it dates back to august 11th, 2007.
lisa marie's statement (suzan, could you provide me with the link, sweetie?) was made later, and she's the owner of GL.
so the entire thread (another one!) is completely unnecessary, looking at the sources, the importance of the source and the dates.
Lisa has not commented on the plans since August when she did the Good Morning America show. And all she said was that she owned the house and the land it sits on and Bob Sillerman owns the rest around it and the financial side of the business. She never said "nothing will be touched". All she said was that the house will remain as is. That can mean so many different things. Suzan is just speculating and putting her own conclusion to that theory as she always does.
Anyhow the bottom line is that article is still relevant and told by the officials their self. Not the media or just a rumor or some wishful thinking of what could be.:D
PaulV.
01-06-2008, 12:16 PM
I think what they will change to original is most likely the raquetball building, the mansion itself won't change from what it is now I am pretty sure!
EDOEP
01-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Lisa has not commented on the plans since August when she did the Good Morning America show. And all she said was that she owned the house and the land it sits on and Bob Sillerman owns the rest around it and the financial side of the business. She never said "nothing will be touched". All she said was that the house will remain as is. That can mean so many different things. Suzan is just speculating and putting her own conclusion to that theory as she always does.
Anyhow the bottom line is that article is still relevant and told by the officials their self. Not the media or just a rumor or some wishful thinking of what could be.:D
can you please post the link where on the EPE website the 'officials' state so? :lmfao:
can you please post the link where on the EPE website the 'officials' state so? :lmfao:
Can you please get off my back?:angry: I posted a direct link to what exactly Jack Soden (CEO of EPE) was quoted as saying. If that is not good enough for you than tough. Here in America that's how it's done.:mad:
Frankieg
01-06-2008, 12:56 PM
Wasn't Elvis called "The Hillbilly Cat"?:lol::lol::lol:
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
utmom2008
01-06-2008, 01:01 PM
I recall some of this being announced in 06 or 07 is all this suppose to be new info?
The quote about new music, it seems we have discussed this before and it does not necessarily mean new music as I would see it-alternate takes are new music, so are unreleased soundboards and jams. Why would a reporter not follow up tha answer with "Are you saying new songs never before heard or released in any form?"
Instead we get this hope of something which may be nothing.
Also Lisa and the estate do not get any royalties for anything prior to 1973-only recordings made after 73 so BMG/Sony never has to share any of those with anyone. The releases after 1973 of new music were pretty sparse compared to the wealth of music BMG/Sony already own fully.
Excellent points KPM....(y)(y)
EDOEP
01-06-2008, 01:08 PM
Can you please get off my back?:angry: I posted a direct link to what exactly Jack Soden (CEO of EPE) was quoted as saying. If that is not good enough for you than tough. Here in America that's how it's done.:mad:
i've seen that link. it's a report on a newspaper, so what? is this newspaper published by EPE? :hmm:
hence again, as you seem not to have understood my request: IF its all SO official .... where can it be found on the EPE website?
that is a simple question and i will be completely be satisfied when you post it. i have not found anything on their site. hence my posting.
no need to yell, or is that how in 'america' one responds to legitimate questions?
here in europe, when we speak about 'official statements', we're both able and willing to share the 'official' source.
plus we don't yell :).
ellie
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 12:12 PM
Hey Jungleroom76, That avatar u got is awesome !!! :)
Thanks a million Frankieg!! Since I am a huge fan of Elvis in 1977, I figured it was time to use this one... (y)
Plus it was given to me by Lonniebealestreet, so I couldn't pass up the opportunity to use it!
TCB!
Mike
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 12:13 PM
You threw the line out there to begin with Jay..we took it and ran.:D Lighten up...we can all use a little humor from time to time.(y)
Sorry Mike....last post on that!
No problem utmom2008!!! ;)
TCB!
Mike
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 12:14 PM
i can only second diane .... would have been a crying shame if we did not jump on it. just too silly. the 'cat-paw-soaking' has potential of becoming a running gag.
back on topic: looking at the initial posting, the usual lack of facts and mere hear-say and personal opinions (again) ... IMHO the thread might be moved to 'OT' just as well anyway.
have a nice sunday, ellie
Thanks Ellie!! (y)
TCB!
Mike
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 12:15 PM
Sorry Mike :D, but isn't it great that this thread turned into fun instead of
something else ;)?
Certainly can't argue with that Miss Clawdy!!! :D
Thanks everyone for your understanding!!! (y)
TCB!
Mike
EDOEP
01-07-2008, 12:28 PM
Thanks a million Frankieg!! Since I am a huge fan of Elvis in 1977, I figured it was time to use this one... (y)
Plus it was given to me by Lonniebealestreet, so I couldn't pass up the opportunity to use it!
TCB!
Mike
ahemmmm .... :blush: ....is that the one where his nipple can be seen (once saw it in bigger size in a yahoogroup :wub:).
hugs, ellie
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Not sure Ellie...I haven't seen the photo in a bigger size... :hmm:
But I just like it because it's a shot from '77 and it's an action shot where he looks like he is really enjoying himself (contrary to what many would have you believe about Elvis in 1977!) (y)
TCB!
Mike
I agree with JD. If fans are not happy with the junk EPE puts out for sale...don't buy them! I also have enough memorabilia, vinyls, CDs and videos to last me a lifetime. The only other thing I would care to have them put out is everything they have on EOT, TTWII and concerts we haven't any footage of.
Getlo you don't know what you're missing. Cats are bright, mischievous, funny and very loving.
Diane
P.S. My cats don't like warm foot baths either.:)
And also very, very intelligent.
EDOEP
01-07-2008, 12:39 PM
Not sure Ellie...I haven't seen the photo in a bigger size... :hmm:
But I just like it because it's a shot from '77 and it's an action shot where he looks like he is really enjoying himself (contrary to what many would have you believe about Elvis in 1977!) (y)
TCB!
Mike
hmmmm :hmm: maybe my memory is playing tricks on me? i'm growing old.
should i come across it, i'll let you know. put it on my to-do-list.
i think elvis had certainly some times in 77 when he looked relaxed, (relatively) good (compared to the rest of that year) and enjoyed himself. unfortunately, the bad periods seem to have outweighed the good ones.
just curious - do you collect 77 live shots?
hugs, ellie
Albert
01-07-2008, 04:36 PM
warning for everyone who went off-topic in this topic: I have deleted all off-topic posts. You know who I am talking to. All of you are warned! Moderating is being done by the moderators. If you see something that you don't like, report it to the moderators and let it be.
TCB-World isn't the place to ridicule, mock or disrespect eachother. If you can't respect other people's opinions, then you should find a different messageboard.
Diane
01-07-2008, 05:26 PM
Hallelujah! Thank you Albert! (y)(y)(y)
Diane
Yes respect is a must, even when you disagree with your whole heart.(y)
Jungleroom76
01-07-2008, 07:26 PM
I agree COMPLETELY Ellie! (y)
While it is undeniable that Elvis was suffering from many different personal and health related issues in 1977, there were many moments during the year where Elvis seemed relaxed (as you said) and still able to give it his all. But again, as you pointed out, the negative moments tend to outweigh the positive moments...mainly because so much time is spent dwelling on the negative moments instead of focusing on the positive ones. And in my opinion (and I have said this many times on this board), EPE does not help the situation at all by basically ignoring Elvis' career in the later 70's, especially 1977. Although things have gotten a bit better in recent years on EPE's end of things (mainly due to the FTD label releasing concert material from the later 70's), for most of the time since Elvis passed away, it was VERY rare that you ever saw EPE endorse anything to do with Elvis post-Aloha. To me it was almost as if, in EPE's eyes, Elvis died after the Aloha Special. Again, things have gotten a bit better in that aspect in recent years, but still it seems that EPE wants to treat the later years of Elvis' career (particularly 1977) like the unwelcome relative at Thanksgiving! :mad:
And yes, I love to check out live shots from '77!!! If you have any, I would love to see them!! (y)
Take care Ellie and thanks again!
TCB!
Mike
Frankieg
01-07-2008, 11:58 PM
warning for everyone who went off-topic in this topic: I have deleted all off-topic posts. You know who I am talking to. All of you are warned! Moderating is being done by the moderators. If you see something that you don't like, report it to the moderators and let it be.
TCB-World isn't the place to ridicule, mock or disrespect eachother. If you can't respect other people's opinions, then you should find a different messageboard.
Amen to that :!:
Thanks Albert.
EDOEP
01-08-2008, 12:04 AM
I agree COMPLETELY Ellie! (y)
While it is undeniable that Elvis was suffering from many different personal and health related issues in 1977, there were many moments during the year where Elvis seemed relaxed (as you said) and still able to give it his all. But again, as you pointed out, the negative moments tend to outweigh the positive moments...mainly because so much time is spent dwelling on the negative moments instead of focusing on the positive ones.
mike,
hope we won't be going too much OT now (if we should .... you have the power to report us :P). on the other hand it would indeed be - like the header says - be BIG announcements / BIG changes if EPE finally started dealing more with his later years.
these numerous 'sillerman-EPE-GL threads' here on board: was there mentioned / inlcuded / discussed in any of them a changed / new attitude of EPE / CKX / sillerman on their current policy of portraying the last years of elvis? IMHO that would be far more interesting than speculating on what sillerman MIGHT have had in mind 1 year ago for 10 minutes and how many trees MIGHT be planted in front of the 15th building east of GL ...
6 weeks ago or so i read larry geller's book: 'if i can dream', which indeed describes very detailed the last months in elvis life (of course from the author's very subjective point of view, to be read with the proverbial grain of salt). when i had finished, i realized how negative the entire book was. the reader is left with the impression that elvis' death must have come as a release for him.
on the other hand, just as example, looking at the march vacation pics (hawaii), to me he does not look like a human 'wreck'.
it really would be nice to get a somewhat more objective, corrective picture. since EPE are the only ones (!) that do NOT (!!) profit from publishing bad and 'sensational' stories like all others do (mainly the MMs and literally anybody who in77 could catch a 15-second-glimpse of elvis, making him an expert on elvis' physical, mental and emotinal sensivities), they should do that, IMHO. as long as the negative image is so overwhelming, no surprise, that speculations are running wild about drug-abuse being the cause of death etc. etc. etc.
And in my opinion (and I have said this many times on this board), EPE does not help the situation at all by basically ignoring Elvis' career in the later 70's, especially 1977. Although things have gotten a bit better in recent years on EPE's end of things (mainly due to the FTD label releasing concert material from the later 70's), for most of the time since Elvis passed away, it was VERY rare that you ever saw EPE endorse anything to do with Elvis post-Aloha.
you are right, but FTD mainly is the releases, of course. it would be EPE / sillerman's job to deal with all aspects of the non-concert type.
To me it was almost as if, in EPE's eyes, Elvis died after the Aloha Special. Again, things have gotten a bit better in that aspect in recent years, but still it seems that EPE wants to treat the later years of Elvis' career (particularly 1977) like the unwelcome relative at Thanksgiving! :mad:
well, well, well, some say that he officially 'died' after that hour in the courtroom in early october 73 ..... after someone was officially no longer part of his life :whistling. i won't mention names :P.
And yes, I love to check out live shots from '77!!! If you have any, I would love to see them!! (y)
Take care Ellie and thanks again!
TCB!
Mike
i will certainly not forget that. in our yahoogroup at times there is plenty of pics being sent back and force. looking throuh my own material is
1/ a matter of time :'( and
2/ a matter of mood.
i catch myself over and over again stashing away pics of 76 / 77 in the folders without sorting them. there are so many bad ones out. it hurts to see them at times. it's not that elvis' death these days still makes me cry (i cried in august 77), but it still makes me sad.
hugs, ellie
Suzan
01-08-2008, 02:50 PM
OFFICIAL WORD TODAY FROM PRISCILLA PRESLEY regarding GRACELAND MANSION. :D
Priscilla Presley hosts annual birthday party for Elvis
Updated: Jan 8, 2008 01:23 PM PST
Three decades after Elvis Presley's death, the king of rock and roll can still draw quite the crowd. 1,200 people turned out to the North Lawn of Graceland Tuesday to hear the annual proclamation to the man credited with ushering in a transformation of modern music.
"The city of Memphis and the Shelby County Government say forever Elvis, Elvis forever, to our most favorite citizen, which would be his 73rd birthday, lets hear it for the King of Rock and Roll," president of the Memphis Convention and Visitors Bureau Kevin kane said.
For the first time, Priscilla Presley hosted the annual birthday party. Amid news that the owners of Graceland will announce plans for a major expansion this year, Presley worked to reassure people that those plans will not involve changes to the mansion.
"I want to give you a comfort level that nothing's changing. We're here for you to give you the best experience that Elvis would have done if he was here today. He was the first tour guide, and he loved Graceland more than anything," Presley said.
The birthday party was complete with a cake fit for a king. The Peabody's Executive Chef created a cake shaped like a stage, complete with a three foot tall chocolate microphone and two guitars on top. All of which were entirely edible.
The birthday party was complete with a cake fit for a king. The Peabody's Executive Chef created a cake shaped like a stage, complete with a three foot tall chocolate microphone and two guitars on top. All of which were entirely edible.
This is just wrong on so many levels ..... Must, Not, Go there .........
Suzan
01-08-2008, 04:41 PM
This is just wrong on so many levels ..... Must, Not, Go there .........
Yes I know what you mean, I feel that way to but won't elaborate as we ea. have our own opinion, etc...
K I'll say this:
To commemorate or do a remembrance is one thing, but to full out celebrate as if he were still alive, cake and all, imo is just not right.
Jungleroom76
01-08-2008, 08:24 PM
mike,
hope we won't be going too much OT now (if we should .... you have the power to report us :P).
Well, in that case, I would have to report myself... :hmm:;)
6 weeks ago or so i read larry geller's book: 'if i can dream', which indeed describes very detailed the last months in elvis life (of course from the author's very subjective point of view, to be read with the proverbial grain of salt). when i had finished, i realized how negative the entire book was. the reader is left with the impression that elvis' death must have come as a release for him.
REALLY!!! Well, as you said, you always have to read the books released by Elvis' "group of friends" with a grain of salt so it doesn't surprise me that Gellar's book comes across that way! I haven't had a chance (or the inclination) to read it. One book I do want to read though is Jerry Schilling's book. For some reason, I just think that if there is ONE book out there written by one of Elvis' friends or associates that might be the closest to the truth without too much (if any) bias, it would be Jerry's. Maybe I am way off base though...have you (or anyone else) read it? Just curious to get some thoughts on it...
And one book I am DYING to read, if for nothing else than the humor value, is the upcoming book from George Klein. While I certainly don't doubt the man's love for Elvis, a LOT of the stories that I have heard George recall are so inaccurate they are funny to listen to!!! :D
on the other hand, just as example, looking at the march vacation pics (hawaii), to me he does not look like a human 'wreck'.
I agree 100%!!! If you only listen to what people have said about Elvis in 1977 without ever having looked at one of those pictures, you would swear they were taken in ANY other year but 1977. Certainly he had some health issues in '77, but as you said, wasn't anywhere near the "wreck" that people would have you believe!
you are right, but FTD mainly is the releases, of course. it would be EPE / sillerman's job to deal with all aspects of the non-concert type.
True, but I am sure that EPE must have SOME say in what is/isn't released on the FTD label. If there was something being released (like a DVD of the CBS Special) that EPE was truly against, I have a feeling they would do whatever they could to stop it!
well, well, well, some say that he officially 'died' after that hour in the courtroom in early october 73 ..... after someone was officially no longer part of his life :whistling. i won't mention names :P.
Another excellent point Ellie!! (y)
i will certainly not forget that. in our yahoogroup at times there is plenty of pics being sent back and force. looking throuh my own material is
1/ a matter of time :'( and
2/ a matter of mood.
i catch myself over and over again stashing away pics of 76 / 77 in the folders without sorting them. there are so many bad ones out. it hurts to see them at times. it's not that elvis' death these days still makes me cry (i cried in august 77), but it still makes me sad.
hugs, ellie
THANK YOU ELLIE!!! I appreciate it very much!!! (y)
TCB!
Mike
utmom2008
01-08-2008, 08:44 PM
One book I do want to read though is Jerry Schilling's book. For some reason, I just think that if there is ONE book out there written by one of Elvis' friends or associates that might be the closest to the truth without too much (if any) bias, it would be Jerry's. Maybe I am way off base though...have you (or anyone else) read it? Just curious to get some thoughts on it...
Mike...I loved Jerry's book.(y) You really do need to read it.(y) To me...it was very honest, yet told by someone that you could tell cared a great deal about Elvis, the man...Elvis the friend, not Elvis the money-making machine. I always liked Jerry alot...I have alot of respect for him. He's one of the few MM's that actually got his college degree(please don't start on the "education" thing over this) and had other means to support himself. If I have one complaint about Jerry it would be that Pris seems to have suckered him in....;);)
Jungleroom76
01-08-2008, 08:56 PM
Thanks for the info. Ellie! (y)
It sounds like I wasn't too far off in my thoughts on Jerry, from your point of view! With your endorsement along with my having the opportunity to meet Jerry in Memphis in 2000 and finding out just how nice of a guy he was in person, now I will definitely have to find time to read it! :D
Thanks again!
TCB!
Mike
EDOEP
01-08-2008, 11:29 PM
OFFICIAL WORD TODAY FROM PRISCILLA PRESLEY regarding GRACELAND MANSION. :D
Amid news that the owners of Graceland will announce plans for a major expansion this year, Presley worked to reassure people that those plans will not involve changes to the mansion.
"I want to give you a comfort level that nothing's changing. ...
A M E N to that quote!
everybody please note the posting number and the save the link :) so we can quote it in other threads (anybody doubting that plenty of speculation will going on, also and mainly reg. GL itself? :'()
hugs, ellie
Suzan
01-08-2008, 11:38 PM
A M E N to that quote!
everybody please note the posting number and the save the link :) so we can quote it in other threads (anybody doubting that plenty of speculation will going on, also and mainly reg. GL itself? :'()
hugs, ellie
:notworthy(y):D
Tony Trout
01-09-2008, 07:46 AM
Yes I know what you mean, I feel that way to but won't elaborate as we ea. have our own opinion, etc...
K I'll say this:
To commemorate or do a remembrance is one thing, but to full out celebrate as if he were still alive, cake and all, imo is just not right.
Suzan,
I agree....it's like the "Happy Birthday, Elvis!" threads....it's not like he's going to see them and say, "WOW! They remembered my birthday!"
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:11 AM
Suzan,
I agree....it's like the "Happy Birthday, Elvis!" threads....it's not like he's going to see them and say, "WOW! They remembered my birthday!"
Hi Tony! :D
OMG I'm trying not to laugh but I can't help it :lmfao:, your SO right! And it's not like he was going to come strolling out Graceland's front door and thank the fans. IMO
I'll probably get hung for this, but oh well that is how I feel. Commemorate away but leave the cake and the streamers alone. LOL:doh:
MissyM
01-09-2008, 08:14 AM
Actually, I'm at a loss for words. Which rarely happens ya know!
Tony Trout
01-09-2008, 08:23 AM
I hope my post 'bout the birthday threads didn't offend...it wasn't meant to....it just doesn't make sense to wish a deceased person "happy birthday" or make a cake and go the whole nine yards....ya know?
I love Elvis as much as the next fan but...there's common sense in all things...
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:27 AM
I hope my post 'bout the birthday threads didn't offend...it wasn't meant to....it just doesn't make sense to wish a deceased person "happy birthday" or make a cake and go the whole nine yards....ya know?
I love Elvis as much as the next fan but...there's common sense in all things...
I'm right there w/Tony Missy, my post is not meant to offend, I'm more poking fun @ EPE for staging such a thing, w/an elaborate cake, etc...he is not here (unfortunately) to celebrate it...again a commemorative is one thing, the whole nine yards is another...every single one of us here wishes that he could have strolled thru Graceland's door and thanked the fans...I hope what I"m trying to say makes sense...and I hope that you know I would not ever say something to hurt his memory or his family (and by family you know who I am referring to.)
Did you happen to see the cake? Do you not find it just a bit odd that they go to that length? For Pris to cut a birthday cake?
The way Tony worded it, it just struck me funny...and I know he did not mean anything bad by his post either.
Johnny
01-09-2008, 08:32 AM
I wonder if EP75/Lakeisha is a staff member of EPE? If not, then an additional rule should be included in the Code of conduct: "Any member cannot start numerous threads (one is sufficient) about the same topic" - which would be that any single member shouldn't be allowed to start threads about the same topic; however many members could open up threads about the same topic (such as the 'birthday wishes', threads that I don't care for ...and note, that I haven't posted in any of them ...some members here should take notice ;))
cameron
01-09-2008, 08:33 AM
I don't know . Is this anything about "changes at Graceland"?
Except for Suzan suggesting "board games" or something?:doh:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:36 AM
I don't know . Is this anything about "changes at Graceland"?
Except for Suzan suggesting "board games" or something?:doh:
What? If you are going to quote me please do so correctly...we were discussing commemorating his birthday...quietly, no cake, etc...good grief but you live to twist things huh? LOL And I said what I did in jest, I apologize I didn't realize that humor wasn't a strong point.:(
I may need to quote someone about a "respect" post. :doh::lmfao:
I fully agree Jth.
Getlo
01-09-2008, 08:42 AM
I wonder if EP75/Lakeisha is a staff member of EPE? If not, then an additional rule should be included in the Code of conduct: "Any member cannot start numerous threads (one is sufficient) about the same topic"
This shouldn't be a problem anymore: he has slagged this forum off on another forum, and said he wouldn't be back here.
Time will tell ... ;)
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:43 AM
Yeah apparently we're all crazy? ROF
utmom2008
01-09-2008, 08:44 AM
This shouldn't be a problem anymore: he has slagged this forum off on another forum, and said he wouldn't be back here.
Time will tell ... ;)
Miracles can happen..;);)
utmom2008
01-09-2008, 08:46 AM
I hope my post 'bout the birthday threads didn't offend...it wasn't meant to....it just doesn't make sense to wish a deceased person "happy birthday" or make a cake and go the whole nine yards....ya know?
I love Elvis as much as the next fan but...there's common sense in all things...
I have to agree with you Tony. The Dallas paper is always full of people wishing their dead loved ones a happy B-day or Merry Xmas. I have never understood that line of thinking...:hmm:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:46 AM
Miracles can happen..;);)
ROF I'm not holding my breath...
Good morning sunshine! :D:D Glad to see you back. :)
Got time for quick chat?
Tony Trout
01-09-2008, 08:47 AM
I wonder if EP75/Lakeisha is a staff member of EPE? If not, then an additional rule should be included in the Code of conduct: "Any member cannot start numerous threads (one is sufficient) about the same topic" - which would be that any single member shouldn't be allowed to start threads about the same topic; however many members could open up threads about the same topic (such as the 'birthday wishes', threads that I don't care for ...and note, that I haven't posted in any of them ...some members here should take notice ;))
I think there is, in fact, a rule about starting multiple threads about the same subject......
Suzan
01-09-2008, 08:55 AM
I think there is, in fact, a rule about starting multiple threads about the same subject......
Hi :)
I thought so to, but perhaps because they change the wording of the thread it falls under that spam radar?
Getlo
01-09-2008, 08:56 AM
I have to agree with you Tony. The Dallas paper is always full of people wishing their dead loved ones a happy B-day or Merry Xmas. I have never understood that line of thinking...:hmm:
Yeah, or the ads that say things like "Three years ago today, you left us grandma ... the sadness never fades" etc.
I just don't get it.
And the Elvis ones every January and August. We get heaps of them even here in Sydney every year.
Simply bewildering to me ...
utmom2008
01-09-2008, 09:00 AM
Yeah, or the ads that say things like "Three years ago today, you left us grandma ... the sadness never fades" etc.
I just don't get it.
And the Elvis ones every January and August. We get heaps of them even here in Sydney every year.
Simply bewildering to me ...
Yeh...forgot to add those. And, they usually have a picture of some nice looking kid and the story of how he left this world etc....etc....
cameron
01-09-2008, 09:04 AM
Yeah, or the ads that say things like "Three years ago today, you left us grandma ... the sadness never fades" etc.
I just don't get it.
And the Elvis ones every January and August. We get heaps of them even here in Sydney every year.
Simply bewildering to me ...
No one has "to get it" or understand it to allow others to deal with their grief and respect to loved ones that have passed.
So, what's new at Graceland?;)
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 09:08 AM
I wonder if EP75/Lakeisha is a staff member of EPE? If not, then an additional rule should be included in the Code of conduct: "Any member cannot start numerous threads (one is sufficient) about the same topic" - which would be that any single member shouldn't be allowed to start threads about the same topic; however many members could open up threads about the same topic (such as the 'birthday wishes', threads that I don't care for ...and note, that I haven't posted in any of them ...some members here should take notice ;))
i have ... i had such a nice picture to share :P.
no, honestly, if a person is so much 'alive' / 'present' for the fans, at such a level like elvis is for his fans .... the birthday wishes are OK. after all, it still IS the 73rd anniversary of the day he was born, no matter of he's still alive or not to celebrate it.
people also commemorate mozart's etc. birthdays (OK, only the 'round ones' ;)).
on the cake etc. i'm with you (n).
regard the threadstarter .... EPE-staff? no way! i was assuming a paid-for hench(wo)man of BS himself :lmfao:.
hugs, ellie
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 09:09 AM
This shouldn't be a problem anymore: he has slagged this forum off on another forum, and said he wouldn't be back here.
Time will tell ... ;)
optimist! :lmfao:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 09:23 AM
ROF...
What's wrong w/optimism?
I am wondering though why we MUST read it? But hey it worked, we're here right? ROF
Johnny
01-09-2008, 09:26 AM
I think there is, in fact, a rule about starting multiple threads about the same subject......
I thought so too, that's why I pm'ed a moderator - and what I got was that since EP75 wasn't a staff member of EPE and didn't make a profit of posting then it is hard to label it as spam ....and hopefully it was ok that I shared this pm to try to clarify my post, as pm's is something that I keep private...sorry mod :oops:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 09:32 AM
:lmfao: hilarious!
You do know they don't take kindly to impersonators?
Awe Getlo, Utmom, EDOEP we were optomistic to soon! ROF
presley31
01-09-2008, 09:35 AM
Everyone please be patient. A worldwide announcement is coming real soon about our master plan for the redevelopment of the Graceland area in Memphis, Tennessee, as well as our plans for a Graceland themed hotel and resort in Las Vegas. We have some amazing things in store for the name Elvis Presley and his adoring fans!
In the meantime follow the link and we will soon inform you on the latest developments about our wonderful plans for the future of Graceland. www.elvis.com
thanks for the update (y)
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 09:36 AM
Everyone please be patient. A worldwide announcement is coming real soon about our master plan for the redevelopment of the Graceland area in Memphis, Tennessee, as well as our plans for a Graceland themed hotel and resort in Las Vegas. We have some amazing things in store for the name Elvis Presley and his adoring fans!
In the meantime follow the link and we will soon inform you on the latest developments about our wonderful plans for the future of Graceland. www.elvis.com
hoooorayyyyyyyyyy, sounds like lakeisha / EPE75's back .....
:clap:
now, i would at LEAST (!!!) have expected THIS link and the current rating at the NYSE:
http://ir.ckx.com/
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7286/nysedo5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
'our masterplan' ..... 'our wonderful plans' ..... :doh:
unless this user REALLY is an official spokesperson for EPE / CKX, i wonder what they have as legal stuff on their website about impostors who pretend to speak for them.
now, if this new user indeed is a fake, the board's owners might get in trouble as well unless they clarify with the user what is the case. or even better, they should pro-actively point it to / sort it out with EPE themselves in order to make sure they're on the safe side.
do wonder if choosing such a nick and causing possible trouble is a fair way of acting since albert and his boys are not only spending plenty of time & efforts for this forum, but also quite some money.
ellie
Suzan
01-09-2008, 09:36 AM
Hilarious! ROFLMBO
Suzan
01-09-2008, 09:37 AM
Or that the sale of stock to be completed in 10 days. LOL
Getlo
01-09-2008, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by CKX_EPE
??? ;););) :whistling
utmom2008
01-09-2008, 09:37 AM
hoooorayyyyyyyyyy, sounds like lakeisha / EPE75's back .....
:clap:
now, i would at LEAST (!!!) have expected THIS link and the current rating at the NYSE:
http://ir.ckx.com/
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7286/nysedo5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(y)(y)(y)(y) for Ellie!!!!!!!!!!
MissyM
01-09-2008, 09:38 AM
Lord have mercy. Once I've been gone that long if someone has a party for me I'll come back and haunt them. (not that I would mind a write up in the paper) It's P.R. people, simple P.R. Cilla/EPE is all about that. But ya know, just go on thinking she loves the fans.
But again, if there are some fans that liked it, good for you. To each their own.
Suzan
01-09-2008, 09:40 AM
Lord have mercy. Once I've been gone that long if someone has a party for me I'll come back and haunt them. (not that I would mind a write up in the paper) It's P.R. people, simple P.R. Cilla/EPE is all about that. But ya know, just go on thinking she loves the fans.
But again, if there are some fans that liked it, good for you. To each their own.
(y)
EPE should love LOVE to be impersonated like this ROF
Tommy
01-09-2008, 09:46 AM
OT again speaking of 1977 a photo speaks a thousand words. 042677
1977!
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 09:53 AM
(y)(y)(y)(y) for Ellie!!!!!!!!!!
see my addendum!
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 10:00 AM
OT again speaking of 1977 a photo speaks a thousand words. 042677
1977!
YEP! (y)
and if one only saw the head and not the body / jumpsuit plus the sideburns indicating 1977 it might be 74 / 75 just as well (IMHO).
hugs, ellie
PS never seen that one :hmm:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 10:02 AM
Hey a good haunting sounds like fun! LOL Missy that is FUNNY!
cameron
01-09-2008, 10:43 AM
Everyone please be patient. A worldwide announcement is coming real soon about our master plan for the redevelopment of the Graceland area in Memphis, Tennessee, as well as our plans for a Graceland themed hotel and resort in Las Vegas. We have some amazing things in store for the name Elvis Presley and his adoring fans!
In the meantime follow the link and we will soon inform you on the latest developments about our wonderful plans for the future of Graceland. www.elvis.com
As I've said before. I'll just wait for the Deeds to be done".
No hurry.
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 10:49 AM
As I've said before. I'll just wait for the Deeds to be done".
No hurry.
i believe every word that's said. like i just saw a pig flying by my window .... :blink:
Suzan
01-09-2008, 11:07 AM
i believe every word that's said. like i just saw a pig flying by my window .... :blink:
ROFLMBO your priceless my friend! :D:D
Tommy
01-09-2008, 11:13 AM
YEP! (y)
and if one only saw the head and not the body / jumpsuit plus the sideburns indicating 1977 it might be 74 / 75 just as well (IMHO).
hugs, ellie
PS never seen that one :hmm:
Thank you (y) I have some rare ones but don't post them.
EDOEP
01-09-2008, 11:41 AM
Thank you (y) I have some rare ones but don't post them.
you share them with mike only? :lol:
IMHO, looking at the 77 (& 76) pics: i personally think his sideburns were too big, i am aware though that some fans (mostly males ;)) have a rather different view on this topic. IMHO, they make him look older. his intention may have been trying to look slimmer - just my guess.
hugs, ellie
PS we continue to remain OT. well, maybe EPE will announce some explanations on such topics :lol:
Johnny
01-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Hey where did EPE/CKX go? LOL
EPE_CKX went flyin' past the window :D
...just to clarify the above statement, with this brilliant sentance:
i believe every word that's said. like i just saw a pig flying by my window .... :blink:
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