"official" Graceland development thread [Archive] - Page 3

EP75

01-20-2008, 10:44 AM

Wow I go away for a few days and all hell breaks lose. LOL Seriously, I don't believe that Lisa Marie is or will ever sell the mansion itself. I cannot see that happening. She has made it very clear that she OWNS the house and the original 13.8 acres of land it sits on plus 15% of EPE. All this talk about her selling the home is ludicrous. She would never do that. It means too much to her. All some of you are going by is a rumor you heard from a FORMER worker. If that was me or Lakeisha who started this rumor we would have been fried. Talk about double standards.

Also I see a lot of continuous slamming of Bob Sillerman. What exactly has the man done to upset everyone? All he did was buy up the naming rights and 85% of the EPE business. Lisa Marie is the one who sold it in the first place. Why not make her the main suspect and the enemy? :hmm::hmm::hmm: Something else that really bothers me is how for years Colonel Parker made EP into a carnival act and degraded the man while he was living. Meanwhile Bob Sillerman is trying to fix the Colonel's bad mistakes and he gets more back lashing than the Colonel ever did. What has he done to make EP less attractive to the world? Nothing. Let's take a look at what we have had since Bob Sillerman took over that we the fans should be grateful for.

Viva Las Vegas ABC TV Special - Just recently it was announced as the most successful documentary ever made on Elvis. It featured rap stars and not to mention the most recognized woman in the world of music, Beyonce praising him. It introduced younger and newer fans to his legacy of Las Vegas who before, could care less about "Vegas Elvis". For years kids have grown to think EP in Vegas was like Wayne Newton or something. Now they saw first hand that he was much more and much better through that special.

Reese's peanut butter and banana cup candy - This became Hershey's all time best selling candy ever on the market. The add was the most ever spent for advertising. What other rocker or musician or entertainer could you put out there and sell that way? No one. It took FXS' vision and creativity to make that happen. Not to mention his money.:)

Cirque Du Soleil Elvis Show - Although it hasn't even begun, it is still getting national media attention with still 16 months from its grand opening in Las Vegas. Before FXS, this was a pipe dream for EP fans.

The Graceland Expansion & redevelopment of Whitehaven - Like it or not, this will enhance the overall fan experience and bring in hundreds of thousands more to Graceland each year. Mostly those that would never have gone before because of it's less appealing attractiveness and who thought it was for "older people" only. Let's face it- outside of the mansion, there's nothing to really see and visit for younger fans. No night life. No upscale restaurants. No movie theater. No retail and shopping atmosphere. Nothing. Just the mansion and a plaza. That will all soon change with this amazing transformation. There will be nightlife, upscale restaurants, open public space, retail and shopping (possibly an open-air mall atmosphere) and theaters and clubs with live entertainment. Something like a safer Beale Street where you can take the kids (Soden's exact words). In other words-an entertainment district. Not to mention there will be a whole new EP experience next to Graceland with the new Visitor's complex of modern day hi-tech interactive museums and a spacious visitor's center. Any building 80,000 square feet is going to be HUGE!

The Graceland-themed hotel, casino and resort in Las Vegas - Soon to be announced, this will be a West coast version of what they are doing in Memphis. Hi-tech museum experience (possibly a Vegas theme), themed hotel, casino, and retail space. What's more impressive is that it won't be stuck in the retirement section of Las Vegas, but on the world famous Las Vegas Boulevard, also known as the Las Vegas strip. It will be built directly across from the new $6 billion City Centre resort which will feature the Cirque Du Soleil Elvis show.(y)

What else more could the fans ask for? OK, sure the movies and the music. But he doesn't own that YET. I'm 90% certain that it's on his "things to still buy up and do before he dies" list.:lol: But this is all just evidence of what GOOD the man has already done for EP and still there is much more to come!

So for all of the older fans who want to moan and complain about changes and call Bob Sillerman the devil, then stay at home, save your money and buy $40.00 FTD CD's and listen to them and miss out on all of the exciting fun still yet to come. And for the younger fans who want to experience EP like never before, who never got to see him in person, feel as if he's still with us, and learn about the incredible legacy along the way, then all I got to say is jump on board, fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the ride because it is going to be wild and fun!!(y):notworthy:D

KPM

01-20-2008, 11:09 AM

My initial reaction to hearing about Lisa possibly selling Graceland was very negative towards her. I'm the kind of person that holds on to anything sentimental for dear life. On the other hand, Graceland has been so changed into nothing more than a money making commodity and burden that it may have by this time ruined any emotional ties she had to it and not feel like her old home anymore.

She has to do what she has to do to make her own life easier. If she does decide to sell, it will more and more become less Elvis' home and I think eventually fans will stop going. I can see it now, Graceland filled like an emporium full of tacky memorabilia.

Diane
I would feel if selling it totally was what she wanted-why go through the motions of a 90 year lease, keeping the home and belongings, wanting a 15%share of the whole operation? Why not just get it done and not prolong it? It makes no sense. (but then again people of emotion can let things happen on that basis) As I said before, my own biggest concern as a father- is what will happen to my kids after I am gone? I think Elvis would not have any complaints on that front-his daughter and her kids are more than taken care of forever. I am happy that is the case. As far as business-TCB with a flash.
Its a huge business and to keep it that way-changes have to happen or it dies. Sad truth, If changes happen and growth does not continue-corrections are made. If Graceland does not seem " Elvis's home" any longer to the bulk of fans-and the business is harmed then someone was wrong.
I am not assuming all changes are bad, nor that all changes are what is needed-but change is always happening-how do you avoid it?
I am happy in some ways that there is "An Elvis Presley Empire" to discuss, rather than the alternative.
But I did not have to make the call on any of this right or wrong. It was not a situation I would wish on anyone. I think of when I have had to make decisions important to my life, (but a very, very small spuds compared to all of this since Elvis died) and I know the consequences rest with me-right or wrong good or bad. The "praise and glory" or "criticism and rebuke" also rested on me-we all have to know that feeling. But I have made what I felt were good choices. Not everyone always likes them and its not a good feeling.

MissyM

01-20-2008, 11:27 AM

EP-75- just to clarify, "I" didn't start the rumor. I brought it here and I don't think that is the same. So we don't have a member coming here "starting" rumors. Now if someone can tell me where the rules are that no one can bring in a source for a "rumor", then I will gladly abide by that rule. And I will expect that to not be a double standard as well.
Frankly, the topic basically has turned into a what if topic. What's so wrong with that when there are so many here. Again, I see no rule against that either. When asked by the mods, to do something, I respect their call on all topics and try very hard to follow there recommendations. I have respect to their responsibilities and being able to be here. Had they had a problem with my actions, the thread would have been removed.
And Keeping on topic, hopefully those with sources will squash the rumor and the subject will be closed.

EP75

01-20-2008, 11:43 AM

As far as business-TCB with a flash.
Its a huge business and to keep it that way-changes have to happen or it dies. Sad truth, If changes happen and growth does not continue-corrections are made. If Graceland does not seem " Elvis's home" any longer to the bulk of fans-and the business is harmed then someone was wrong.
I am not assuming all changes are bad, nor that all changes are what is needed-but change is always happening-how do you avoid it?
I am happy in some ways that there is "An Elvis Presley Empire" to discuss, rather than the alternative.

AMEN brother!:notworthy That has been what many have been trying to say for so long but some are just too lost in their own little worlds to understand that change is better when needed. And in this case IT IS NEEDED. To some of the older fans who were there when he died, Graceland may not seem like the home he once lived in. But to generations to come it will be like "wow, that's where Elvis once lived!" The whole "wow effect" that Bob Sillerman is creating will woe people and lure in newer fans. Some will come in pure curiosity as is the case today. Some will come to be wowed. Others will come because of it's historical importance. And then the ans who have come for years will go back again and again and again until they no longer can walk or travel.

Now that being said, what if Lisa didn't strike a deal with Bob and CKX? What if she just let it go and until it was in bad shape to where both the house and the neighborhood was too unsafe to continue operations? Then what? Graceland shuts down and EP begins to fade into history.

By what Bob Sillerman is doing, he's creating a window of opportunity. He's building and developing EP into immortalization instead of just a one-time famous entertainer just like Michael Jackson or Madonna will one day been seen as. heck, they already are.:lol:

There is always a chance that this could become a disaster and not be as successful as planned. But if that did happen Graceland would still make history as being the biggest financial investment disaster. But considering how many non die hard fans visit Graceland as it is, and how many first time visitors go there compared to return visitors, I can't see this falling apart.

It's mind boggling to think how big this really could be. Disney World resort brings in over 8 million visitors a year to their multiple theme parks. EPE and Bob Sillerman are projecting a yearly average of 1.2 to 1.5 million visitors a year to Graceland which will not be a theme park but a themed attraction. I strongly believe that they will surpass that easily with the more attractions added in the area, the more people will come and spend money. I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring in as much as 2 million or more visitors a year and earn more than $100 million in revenue coming from hotels, restaurants, retail and ticket sales.

Bottom line is, this is a business and to make money you have to spend money. Lisa knew that when she sold the rights. If she didn't care about her dad as some are alluding to, then she would have sold it a long time ago for much less and to a no-name investor. She wants to see her dad reach new standards and heights never reached before by the dead. And with Bob Sillerman at the helm, that's all about to happen.(y)

EP75

01-20-2008, 11:46 AM

cameron

01-20-2008, 11:57 AM

Sillerman has much to prove to all of us.
I don't think it helps for anyone to go around spreading stories or putting words into his mouth he didn't say.
I'm sure he can make his own announcements .
I'll wait to see what happens, I'm a optimist .;)

EP75

01-20-2008, 12:06 PM

Here is a beautiful boutique convention hotel and resort at Disney World in Orlando that would look amazing and gorgeous sitting across the street from Graceland. It would fit in with the colonial style mansion and wouldn't look out of place. It was also designed by Robert A.M. Stern Architects who are the same company in charge of the Graceland plans. So maybe this is what Bob Sillerman is going with. I sure hope so. It also features 1,100 square foot convention space and 387 luxury suits and spa. Exactly what is being planned for Graceland.
The front.
http://www.ramsa.com/files/project_images/87028_2.jpg

The back.
http://www.ramsa.com/files/project_images/87028_1.jpg

Imagine a large Blue Hawaii setting for the pool area (like pictured above) with EP's Hawaiian music playing in the background. Talk about a themed resort.(y)

MissyM

01-20-2008, 12:38 PM

Thanks for your clarification too EP-75!

About this statement you made...."She wants to see her dad reach new standards and heights never reached before by the dead. And with Bob Sillerman at the helm, that's all about to happen"

The sentiment is nice but, I can not agree, this has little to do with what she wants for her father.

KPM

01-20-2008, 01:46 PM

AMEN brother!:notworthy That has been what many have been trying to say for so long but some are just too lost in their own little worlds to understand that change is better when needed. And in this case IT IS NEEDED. To some of the older fans who were there when he died, Graceland may not seem like the home he once lived in. But to generations to come it will be like "wow, that's where Elvis once lived!" The whole "wow effect" that Bob Sillerman is creating will woe people and lure in newer fans. Some will come in pure curiosity as is the case today. Some will come to be wowed. Others will come because of it's historical importance. And then the ans who have come for years will go back again and again and again until they no longer can walk or travel.

Now that being said, what if Lisa didn't strike a deal with Bob and CKX? What if she just let it go and until it was in bad shape to where both the house and the neighborhood was too unsafe to continue operations? Then what? Graceland shuts down and EP begins to fade into history.

By what Bob Sillerman is doing, he's creating a window of opportunity. He's building and developing EP into immortalization instead of just a one-time famous entertainer just like Michael Jackson or Madonna will one day been seen as. heck, they already are.:lol:

There is always a chance that this could become a disaster and not be as successful as planned. But if that did happen Graceland would still make history as being the biggest financial investment disaster. But considering how many non die hard fans visit Graceland as it is, and how many first time visitors go there compared to return visitors, I can't see this falling apart.

It's mind boggling to think how big this really could be. Disney World resort brings in over 8 million visitors a year to their multiple theme parks. EPE and Bob Sillerman are projecting a yearly average of 1.2 to 1.5 million visitors a year to Graceland which will not be a theme park but a themed attraction. I strongly believe that they will surpass that easily with the more attractions added in the area, the more people will come and spend money. I wouldn't be surprised to see them bring in as much as 2 million or more visitors a year and earn more than $100 million in revenue coming from hotels, restaurants, retail and ticket sales.

Bottom line is, this is a business and to make money you have to spend money. Lisa knew that when she sold the rights. If she didn't care about her dad as some are alluding to, then she would have sold it a long time ago for much less and to a no-name investor. She wants to see her dad reach new standards and heights never reached before by the dead. And with Bob Sillerman at the helm, that's all about to happen.(y)

That is true this could be a disaster-because even needed change needs to be well thought out and it needs to meet the needs of the business. As I said if it turns off fans, because they no longer feel its Elvis's home then it was a not the right type of change.

Also lets keep in perspective-bigger does not always translate to better. Time will tell where the story will go. Sillerman needs the intelligence to listen, to not just his business sense-and keep in mind Graceland is more than just business to many. If he does not keep that in mind-as he makes these grand plans-it will not serve his purpose.

utmom2008

01-20-2008, 02:21 PM

To some of the older fans who were there when he died, Graceland may not seem like the home he once lived in. But to generations to come it will be like "wow, that's where Elvis once lived!" The whole "wow effect" that Bob Sillerman is creating will woe people and lure in newer fans. Some will come in pure curiosity as is the case today. Some will come to be wowed. Others will come because of it's historical importance.

This sounds like a line directly from "Field of Dreams"....."if you build it they will come." But..we best remember that FOD was a fantasy ...it was not real life.:blink::blush:

He's building and developing EP into immortalization instead of just a one-time famous entertainer just like Michael Jackson will one day been seen as.

Maybe he could incorporate MJ into the current equation with EP..play up the one-time son-n-law connection. What ever will bring in the most money, right?;);)

It's mind boggling to think how big this really could be. Disney World resort brings in over 8 million visitors a year to their multiple theme parks. EPE and Bob Sillerman are projecting a yearly average of 1.2 to 1.5 million visitors a year to Graceland which will not be a theme park but a themed attraction.

I have a hard time believing that people with families and small children will go to Memphis and spend obscene amounts of money. If there is no improvement in the economy in the near future people will not be able to go and spend money at both attractions. If that is the case....the money will be spent at Disney World because that's where the kids will want to go.:supriced::king:

She wants to see her dad reach new standards and heights never reached before by the dead. And with Bob Sillerman at the helm, that's all about to happen.(y)
It wil be interesting....time will tell. :hmm:

utmom2008

01-20-2008, 02:24 PM

They wear out, deteriorate. That's one thing I complained about the last time I was at Graceland. I thought Graceland needed to be renovated badly.

I have heard you say this before Cameron...what is it that you are seeing that is in dire need of renovation? :supriced::blink:

MissyM

01-20-2008, 02:37 PM

Field of Dreams, If you build it they will come. Was that supposed to be funny. I hope so cause it cracked me up. That's ok right?

EP75

01-20-2008, 02:52 PM

That is true this could be a disaster-because even needed change needs to be well thought out and it needs to meet the needs of the business. As I said if it turns off fans, because they no longer feel its Elvis's home then it was a not the right type of change.

Also lets keep in perspective-bigger does not always translate to better. Time will tell where the story will go. Sillerman needs the intelligence to listen, to not just his business sense-and keep in mind Graceland is more than just business to many. If he does not keep that in mind-as he makes these grand plans-it will not serve his purpose.

Keep in mind too that 74% of the visitors today are first-timers and almost 45% are 35 and younger. That means only 26% are returnees and 65% are 35and up. You can look at that in two ways. 1)the visitors who don't return feel they have seen all there is to see which is pretty much the case. 2)a new audience of visitors are who is making the money today. New attractions will bring them back over and over again.

Here's something to seriously think about. Disney knew if they did not expand their park, did not add new attractions, that they would eventually fade as the ultimate theme park in America and lose money. What did they do? They built new parks, new attractions and the best hotel resorts on the planet to accommodate their visitors. They expanded to a new level and look at them today? The #1 tourist destination in the world! That's where Graceland wants to be and should be.

The Elvis Week ceremonies each year in January and August are basically for the long time die hard fans. When they are gone (passed), who will be there to support the ETA's, Insiders conference, and the candle light vigil? For the past 25 years, Graceland has been about fan club meetings and celebrations. Now the near future will be about a historical landmark learning experience in the same breath as the Alamo, Statue of Liberty, and Pearl Harbor. Those places have all expanded and added hotels, resorts, and new attractions around them to lure in more tourism. So why can't Graceland?

Sometimes I think it's more about the fans than it is EP.(n)

EP75

01-20-2008, 02:57 PM

Field of Dreams, If you build it they will come. Was that supposed to be funny. I hope so cause it cracked me up. That's ok right?

"Build it and they will come" was a term used long before Field Of Dreams. Besides it is a well known fact that if you build something attractive, people will come. People want to be entertained. That's the #1 reason that they get into their cars and drive miles to museums and parks and attractions.

KPM

01-20-2008, 03:44 PM

Keep in mind too that 74% of the visitors today are first-timers and almost 45% are 35 and younger. That means only 26% are returnees and 65% are 35and up. You can look at that in two ways. 1)the visitors who don't return feel they have seen all there is to see which is pretty much the case. 2)a new audience of visitors are who is making the money today. New attractions will bring them back over and over again.

Here's something to seriously think about. Disney knew if they did not expand their park, did not add new attractions, that they would eventually fade as the ultimate theme park in America and lose money. What did they do? They built new parks, new attractions and the best hotel resorts on the planet to accommodate their visitors. They expanded to a new level and look at them today? The #1 tourist destination in the world! That's where Graceland wants to be and should be.

The Elvis Week ceremonies each year in January and August are basically for the long time die hard fans. When they are gone (passed), who will be there to support the ETA's, Insiders conference, and the candle light vigil? For the past 25 years, Graceland has been about fan club meetings and celebrations. Now the near future will be about a historical landmark learning experience in the same breath as the Alamo, Statue of Liberty, and Pearl Harbor. Those places have all expanded and added hotels, resorts, and new attractions around them to lure in more tourism. So why can't Graceland?

.(n)
IMO-Elvis always put his fans first most of his life(y)-so he thought it was all about Loyal Fans who put him where he was(y)-that has to be a consideration.(y)
Young fans may make up the bulk of the first timers, but when you throw out the baby with the bathwater you have accomplished one thing-at the expense of another. There should be common ground to attract young people-but not push out the older "original fans" (ones who actually helped put Elvis on top.)To be the devils advocate again:
Remember fan clubs mean "FANS OF ELVIS" not Sillerman, or EPE. If the changes means overlooking the couple of generations who were the heart of his fans from the start?????...... whats wrong with this picture?
If the focus of the experience to come is "awe and wonder at the size and glitz of huge modern super tech exhibits-many fans are saying much will be lost.
I have never been against change-but not all change makes a better mousetrap. IMO If you take the heart out of something-you have not improved it for the better. Thats what a lot of original fans are saying-it has a very valid ring to it. Hope someone hears the bell.

utmom2008

01-20-2008, 03:54 PM

Remember fan clubs mean "FANS OF ELVIS" not Sillerman, or EPE. If the changes means overlooking the couple of generations who were the heart of his fans from the start?????...... whats wrong with this picture?
I have never been against change-but not all change makes a better mousetrap. IMO If you take the heart out of something-you have not improved it for the better. Thats what a lot of original fans are saying-it has a very valid ring to it. Hope someone hears the bell.

Outstanding point KPM.:notworthy:notworthy I think that's whay 99% of us have been trying to say.(y)

keke23

01-20-2008, 04:02 PM

My issue aint what they're about to do, but why they aint release no drawings of the plans.:hmm:

Btw, welcome back Jay. Where you been?

Diane

01-20-2008, 04:08 PM

keke23

01-20-2008, 04:23 PM

IMO, I think they should build an Elvis amusement/theme park near Graceland.

We don't have a theme park no more since they shut down Libertyland.

Theyr'e tryin to turn the pyramid arena into an indoor theme park, but I don't know if that'll happen.

cameron

01-20-2008, 04:35 PM

I have heard you say this before Cameron...what is it that you are seeing that is in dire need of renovation? :supriced::blink:

I touched the walls {the cloth} it crumbled into pieces into my hands. :'( I was afraid to touch anything else.

It's probably the norm for a place that old. It just kinda upset me. I wondered if anyone knew how to make those pleats to put up new coverings again. Silly I guess , but you can't help what goes through your mind when you're there . It was in the house that I "felt" Elvis, not the gravesite. Just hate to see that end. :'(

KPM

01-20-2008, 04:35 PM

I totally agree KPM. If too much is done to and around Graceland as the above pictures EP75 posted of Disney World's convention area, the mansion would be lost among all that gaudiness and the whole feeling of Elvis and his Graceland would be gone.

What I'm worried about is is Sillerman trying to make Lisa break her contract with him and sell the mansion by enlarging the business to the point where she can't keep up with taxes etc.? My mind is going around in circles here trying to think of all the angles.

DianeI would think Property taxes would be all Lisa has to worry about for the Mansion and its grounds. If I understand what I've read Sillermans corporation (-although not owning Graceland-)with 85% ownership of Elvis name & merchandising, the Graceland tour operation, etc... would pay the corporate taxes on the profit from the operations. Lisa's 15% share in the whole thing would net her profits after all expenses were paid by the corporation including any taxes and operating expenses. She would have to pay income tax on the profit from her 15% ownership of stock. I owned stock in a company I worked for and all I worried about was my end of the year profit which I claimed on my income taxes-the company had to pay all the operating expenses, insurance, upkeep etc... I do not see why EPE and Lisa would agree to anything different than what is normal in other situations where one company more or less takes over another.

MissyM

01-20-2008, 04:42 PM

To me Elvis is a person. He could be considered an Event, because he changed history but he is still first and foremost a person. I don't care what they do with Michael Jackson or the Beatles stuff, they were not Elvis. He was a man with humble beginnings. He liked nice things but he was not about grandeur. That house was a dream he had relating to his mother. That's what Graceland says-it cries out, love between a mother and son. Yes, he was grateful to his fans, but they were not more important than family and being true to one's humble beginnings. He was very much about balancing love of fans, and not letting them overcome his life. He fought that. If it was all about fans (and what they wanted) and money he would not have gotten so fed up with his cash cow films. Graceland has a personality, she got it from the one who thought so much of her and his mother. Every thing about him is the personality of the house.(and the dirt he moved) That is what draws people to it. If it becomes all that Elvis was not, will it be the same house. Or will it be a mere shell of what she once was? And will she no longer harbor the true personality of the man who looked at her with love, and so excitedly brought his mother there and gave her as a gift.
I have a family member who got all of the good jewelery of a loved one that passed. And she took it all apart and made new and different jewelery out it. These peices of jewelery, that the person who once was so poor and was so proud to be able to pick it out or have her husband buy it for her: just are not the same. To me the diamonds ,although bright, do not reflect. Because they no longer reflect all that they once meant. That's how I feel about Graceland. The cold body of Elvis will be in the gound forever, but his spirit will just barely be there.

keke23

01-20-2008, 04:42 PM

cameron

01-20-2008, 04:53 PM

Remember fan clubs mean "FANS OF ELVIS" not Sillerman, or EPE. If the changes means overlooking the couple of generations who were the heart of his fans from the start?????...... whats wrong with this picture?
If the focus of the experience to come is "awe and wonder at the size and glitz of huge modern super tech exhibits-many fans are saying much will be lost.I have never been against change-but not all change makes a better mousetrap. IMO If you take the heart out of something-you have not improved it for the better. Thats what a lot of original fans are saying-it has a very valid ring to it. Hope someone hears the bell.I agree and I think that's what everyone is afraid of.
A different spokesman might do wonders .
That's why I've decided to not get too excited until I see what's really going on there .

I trust Priscilla at least, has excellent attorneys to watch out for all of them. I just can't see her letting any of them hurt Lisa and her grandchildren. {That's a good thing :P }

KPM

01-20-2008, 04:57 PM

Jay, I'm sorry but I'm not feelin that hotel you posted pics of.
It looks too Country western comfort Innn, like Gatlinburg.

I loved Gatlinburg, but Whitehaven aint like that nor should it be.
That makes 2 of us-it reminds me of " Six Flags "

Diane

01-20-2008, 06:23 PM

I agree, this is way over the top!

Thanks for explaining about the taxes Lisa has to pay KPM.

Diane

EP75

01-20-2008, 06:45 PM

EP75

01-20-2008, 06:51 PM

About some of you not liking the hotel. Then tell me-would you rather they build a 10-15 story hotel that makes Graceland look like an outhouse instead? I posted these pictures because they have some relevance as to an idea of what is possibly being planned. All you have to do is read between the lines and put 2 and 2 together. They are going to build a boutique convention hotel. Well that is exactly what I posted. I'm sure it won't look like the one in the picture or sky blue even. But it could be similar in style.

Keep in mind Dian, EP was way over the top at times with his own image. What about the costumes? they weren't casual to say the least.LOL

cameron

01-20-2008, 07:11 PM

You forget ...many of us has been to Graceland. The pictures posted just do not fit in to the "good neighbor" atmosphere of Whitehaven.

As for Graceland; I have no worries. I trust Priscilla and Lisa to make sure it keeps "the appearance" of a home ....as much as possible with that sort of thing.

The rest, I'll wait and see . I'm sure if BS is as smart as you think; he's well aware he needs to take most of that stuff to Vegas to fit in.

EP75

01-20-2008, 07:14 PM

Jungleroom76

01-20-2008, 08:27 PM

What a lot of you are forgetting is that by the time the expansion is completed in 4-5 years maximum, the original fan base will be anywhere from 70-75 years or older. They aren't pushing the original fans away with the plans. But they are not building these new spiffy facilities to lure those fans back either. They want them to come back as they want to lure in newer younger fans at the same time. I am sure that EPE and CKX have done their homework and will not go too "Disney" or too futuristic. I do think it will be a "oh wow" experience as Bob Sillerman has alluded to.

But that being said, I am almost certain that it will not be inside of the mansion itself. All of the new attractions will come away from the mansion. Therefore it will not take anything away from the mansion itself.

ABSOLUTELY!! (y)

My feeling is that not only do they want to make the whole area around Graceland more family friendly and safe, but they want to make it a place where new fans will want to go while the older fans will want to go back to see what changes have been made!

And as you said, EP was known for being over the top in his style throughout his life, so why not build an attraction that models the way he lived?

I certainly don't see any wholesale changes being made to the mansion itself either....that would be the wrong thing to do!!

TCB!
Mike

Frankieg

01-20-2008, 11:49 PM

save your money and buy $40.00 FTD CD's and listen to them and miss out on all of the exciting fun still yet to come.

Listening to FTD's IS the most exciting thing any Elvis fan could ever do to remember and enjoy the most fabulous legacy left by the greatest singer who ever lived.

Whenever you wake up from fantasy land, You should try it sometime ... :)

Miss Clawdy

01-21-2008, 12:58 AM

Suzan

01-21-2008, 03:32 AM

These are beautiful and sad thoughts :'(, and I am with you all the way (y).

Same here!

Getlo

01-21-2008, 04:18 AM

Reese's peanut butter and banana cup candy - This became Hershey's all time best selling candy ever on the market. The add was the most ever spent for advertising. What other rocker or musician or entertainer could you put out there and sell that way? No one. It took FXS' vision and creativity to make that happen. Not to mention his money.:)

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

"Vision and creativity" to produce a candy bar linked to an artist who died bloated, partially from junk food? Not exactly going out on a creative limb, was it?

And I'm sure many people purchased the confectionary with more than a nod to irony.

This is nothing to be proud of. Putting Elvis Presley on a candy bar reduces him to the level of Mickey Mouse (or, for you Aussie readers, The Milky Bar Kid ...)

Tasteless (literally, quite possibly ...) ;)

Getlo

01-21-2008, 04:24 AM

what if Lisa didn't strike a deal with Bob and CKX? What if she just let it go and until it was in bad shape to where both the house and the neighborhood was too unsafe to continue operations? Then what? Graceland shuts down and EP begins to fade into history.

A ridiculous assertion. :mad:

All the Graceland area needs is for the visitors' centre to be modernised. It's been perfectly servicable since 1982; safety has never been a serious issue.

Every other thing discussed is pure frippery, and ultimately unnecessary.

If the CKX deal had not materialised (I wish!), then Graceland would simply keep operating; millions would continue to visit the house. And EPE would have continued to make money.

So why all this extra baloney (as you Americans call it)?

More money!

Getlo

01-21-2008, 04:32 AM

My feeling is that not only do they want to make the whole area around Graceland more family friendly and safe

Can I just ask EP75 and others, what exactly is so "unsafe" about the area around the mansion during the day?

Some of you make it sound as if there's car-jackings left, right and centre: which I know it's not.

And unless Graceland's opening hours start to extend beyond 9pm, or whenever the last tour is, then I don't see the point of all this.

Even now, at night, the area outside the mansion itself is perfectly fine. I didn't see any muggers, rapists, hookers, drug addicts or Republican fundraisers while I was there.

cameron

01-21-2008, 04:39 AM

A ridiculous assertion. :mad:

All the Graceland area needs is for the visitors' centre to be modernised. It's been perfectly servicable since 1982; safety has never been a serious issue.Every other thing discussed is pure frippery, and ultimately unnecessary.

If the CKX deal had not materialised (I wish!), then Graceland would simply keep operating; millions would continue to visit the house. And EPE would have continued to make money.

So why all this extra baloney (as you Americans call it)?

More money!

How long has it been since you were at Graceland ?
Unfortunately, EP75 is right on this. It's a bad and dangerous neighborhood.

I do agree with you on the vision and creativity though. ;) BS and most ask for input of ideas to market Elvis or anything. They then take the best, in their opinion ,and put it together .

I didn't buy any EP candy, but my kids bought me some .
When they buy things like this I just smile and say thanks. I fed it to the grandchildren.

cameron

01-21-2008, 04:48 AM

Can I just ask EP75 and others, what exactly is so "unsafe" about the area around the mansion during the day?

Some of you make it sound as if there's car-jackings left, right and centre: which I know it's not.

And unless Graceland's opening hours start to extend beyond 9pm, or whenever the last tour is, then I don't see the point of all this.

Even now, at night, the area outside the mansion itself is perfectly fine. I didn't see any muggers, rapists, hookers, drug addicts or Republican fundraisers while I was there.
People don't just stay in their motel rooms at night .They used to walk all around Graceland and the neighborhood at night . You're warned to not go out at night .
I've never had any problems when I was there . But, there are bars on the windows and doors of the stores. You see some unsavory looking characters just milling around . It looks dirty all around Graceland. It would be described as KeKe says : the 'hood.
It does indeed need a good 'clean up and a face lift . '

Getlo

01-21-2008, 05:00 AM

How long has it been since you were at Graceland ?

A few months. And it was perfectly fine. It probably needs better lighting though. I was able to wander around near the house late at night, and felt safe.

But, there are bars on the windows and doors of the stores. You see some unsavory looking characters just milling around .

If a shopowner is smart, they'll have bars on their shops no matter what the neighbourhood. I live in a relatively crime-free area in a nice part of Sydney's eastern suburbs, and there are bars on the shops and many of the homes at night.

It looks dirty all around Graceland.

No argument. But dirt does not equate to the supposed crime sprees which have been described by some.

It would be described as KeKe says : the 'hood.

And that always makes me laugh. Whitehaven is so far removed from what a "hood" really is, her comments never fail to put a smile on my face. Sure, it's no Bel Air, but it's certainly no Harlem ("across 110th Street") either!

MODS: CAN WE PLEASE START A NEW FORUM (PERHAPS TITLED 'GRACELAND') FOR THESE SORTS OF - multiple! - POSTS?

Suzan

01-21-2008, 05:01 AM

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

"Vision and creativity" to produce a candy bar linked to an artist who died bloated, partially from junk food? Not exactly going out on a creative limb, was it?

And I'm sure many people purchased the confectionary with more than a nod to irony.

This is nothing to be proud of. Putting Elvis Presley on a candy bar reduces him to the level of Mickey Mouse (or, for you Aussie readers, The Milky Bar Kid ...)

Tasteless (literally, quite possibly ...) ;)

(y)(y)(y)(y):notworthy:notworthy:notworthy Well said and I agree. But as long as some fans continue to buy this "merchandise" they'll continue to crank it out, it's good business, give them what they want and earn lots of $$$$$ for it! :)

Suzan

01-21-2008, 05:04 AM

A few months. And it was perfectly fine. It probably needs better lighting though. I was able to wander around near the house late at night, and felt safe.

If a shopowner is smart, they'll have bars on their shops no matter what the neighbourhood. I live in a relatively crime-free area in a nice part of Sydney's eastern suburbs, and there are bars on the shops and many of the homes at night.

No argument. But dirt does not equate to the supposed crime sprees which have been described by some.

And that always makes me laugh. Whitehaven is so far removed from what a "hood" really is, her comments never fail to put a smile on my face. Sure, it's no Bel Air, but it's certainly no Harlem ("across 110th Street") either!

MODS: CAN WE PLEASE START A NEW FORUM (PERHAPS TITLED 'GRACELAND') FOR THESE SORTS OF - multiple! - POSTS?

VERY excellent and valid points!
My friend visits every mo. or so and she's NEVER had a problem being around there at night nor at the hotel...she is quite amused by some dscriptions of the area and says that Thank God some don't work for Memphis's tourist dept.. LOL

cameron

01-21-2008, 05:13 AM

I suppose it depends on the kind of neighborhood one's used to living in.
Graceland was "safe" and very nice at one time. It is no longer . ...
and that's more than my opinion.

Suzan

01-21-2008, 05:15 AM

My friend lives in a VERY ritzy neighborhood, golf course community....so her standards, if that is the implication, are not sub-standard.

cameron

01-21-2008, 05:24 AM

My friend lives in a VERY ritzy neighborhood, golf course community....so her standards, if that is the implication, are not sub-standard.

I imply nothing. If you're used to living the way as stated- so be it. I'm not.

Getlo

01-21-2008, 05:34 AM

If you're used to living the way as stated- so be it. I'm not.

Oh, come on ... ! (n)(n)(n)

Low blow ...

riley

01-21-2008, 05:43 AM

MissyM , thanks for such a beautiful post from the hearth(y)(y)

quote Missy

Originally Posted by MissyM
To me Elvis is a person. He could be considered an Event, because he changed history but he is still first and foremost a person. I don't care what they do with Michael Jackson or the Beatles stuff, they were not Elvis. He was a man with humble beginnings. He liked nice things but he was not about grandeur. That house was a dream he had relating to his mother. That's what Graceland says-it cries out, love between a mother and son. Yes, he was grateful to his fans, but they were not more important than family and being true to one's humble beginnings. He was very much about balancing love of fans, and not letting them overcome his life. He fought that. If it was all about fans (and what they wanted) and money he would not have gotten so fed up with his cash cow films. Graceland has a personality, she got it from the one who thought so much of her and his mother. Every thing about him is the personality of the house.(and the dirt he moved) That is what draws people to it. If it becomes all that Elvis was not, will it be the same house. Or will it be a mere shell of what she once was? And will she no longer harbor the true personality of the man who looked at her with love, and so excitedly brought his mother there and gave her as a gift.
I have a family member who got all of the good jewelery of a loved one that passed. And she took it all apart and made new and different jewelery out it. These peices of jewelery, that the person who once was so poor and was so proud to be able to pick it out or have her husband buy it for her: just are not the same. To me the diamonds ,although bright, do not reflect. Because they no longer reflect all that they once meant. That's how I feel about Graceland. The cold body of Elvis will be in the gound forever, but his spirit will just barely be there

MissyM

01-21-2008, 06:03 AM

Thanks Riley. It personal for me ya know. When hubs talks about playing there, and how when they were in town, Elvis loved to invite them to dinner, so proud of his Graceland, and I see the look in hubs eyes, that tells me what she was about.

cameron

01-21-2008, 06:08 AM

Oh, come on ... ! (n)(n)(n)

Low blow ...
Not meant as a "low blow" ,just the truth .
Where I live there are no bars on store windows nor on homes . In the "inner city" there is. But, not in the family neighborhoods .

Suzan

01-21-2008, 06:18 AM

I imply nothing. If you're used to living the way as stated- so be it. I'm not.

Living what way?
I would think a CEO lived rather well.

Suzan

01-21-2008, 06:19 AM

Not meant as a "low blow" ,just the truth .
Where I live there are no bars on store windows nor on homes . In the "inner city" there is. But, not in the family neighborhoods .

And I stated that my friend did not live in any such neighborhoods...nor have I ever....so what you meant by your comment is truly beyond me.

cameron

01-21-2008, 06:27 AM

And I stated that my friend did not live in any such neighborhoods...nor have I ever....so what you meant by your comment is truly beyond me.
I was respomding to Getlo. I think he can speak for himself, thanks .

Suzan

01-21-2008, 06:30 AM

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And I stated that my friend did not live in any such neighborhoods...nor have I ever....so what you meant by your comment is truly beyond me.

I was respomding to Getlo. I think he can speak for himself, thanks .

No Cameron you aimed it at me...you quoted what I said about my friend...had nothing to do w/Getlo...so please explain your snide comment.

cameron

01-21-2008, 06:44 AM

If a shopowner is smart, they'll have bars on their shops no matter what the neighbourhood. I live in a relatively crime-free area in a nice part of Sydney's eastern suburbs, and there are bars on the shops and many of the homes at night.
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Oh, come on ... !

Low blow ...

Not meant as a "low blow" ,just the truth .
Where I live there are no bars on store windows nor on homes . In the "inner city" there is. But, not in the family neighborhoods .

These are the ones I was answering . Not necessary to repeat and take up space .

Suzan

01-21-2008, 07:12 AM

cameron

01-21-2008, 07:39 AM

Please read my above post Cameron, clearly addressing me w/your snide comment, I quoted you both times, so please don't now turn it to what Getlo posted...clearly that was not your original intention.
I'm not taking up space, merely refreshing your memory as you seem to have been under a misconception.:)

Believe what you like . I know my intentions and who I was talking to. To "take up space" without saying anything appears to be somes intention in this thread anyway.:P

Suzan

01-21-2008, 08:19 AM

Believe what you like . I know my intentions and who I was talking to. To "take up space" without saying anything appears to be somes intention in this thread anyway.:P

Once again to refresh your memory :):

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I imply nothing. If you're used to living the way as stated- so be it. I'm not.
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No Cameron dear who are you trying to kid? You made a snide comment, own up to it, it's right there in black and white, we see who it was aimed at...either apologize, explain or move on....

I've stated my opinion on this and therefore will be the mature one and move on.:)
Have a pleasant day.:):D

cameron

01-21-2008, 08:26 AM

Once again to refresh your memory :):

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No Cameron dear who are you trying to kid? You made a snide comment, own up to it, it's right there in black and white, we see who it was aimed at...either apologize, explain or move on....

I've stated my opinion on this and therefore will be the mature one and move on.:)
Have a pleasant day.:):D

Maturity cannot be proven; only shown by ones actions. :P\I have nothing to apologize for or explain further than I have .
It would be nice if all could act like adults would it not?

Suzan

01-21-2008, 08:48 AM

Maturity cannot be proven; only shown by ones actions. :P\I have nothing to apologize for or explain further than I have .
It would be nice if all could act like adults would it not?

Yes it can...LOL
Snide comments you don't think warranty an apology? Well proves my above statement.;)
Yes it would wouldn't it? I couldn't agree more.;)

utmom2008

01-21-2008, 09:35 AM

This is nothing to be proud of. Putting Elvis Presley on a candy bar reduces him to the level of Mickey Mouse (or, for you Aussie readers, The Milky Bar Kid ...)

Tasteless (literally, quite possibly ...) ;)

I have to agree Getlo. It made me sick during all the promo's for the Reeses. Every day I would walk in the grocery store to a big poster promo saying "win a trip to Graceland"....with big pics of Elvis on a candy bar. Talk about leaving him with no dignity.....(n)(n):mad:

MissyM

01-21-2008, 09:39 AM

Hear Hear!!!!!!!! So right on, speaks a mouthful-pun intended!!!!

utmom2008

01-21-2008, 09:39 AM

Oh, come on ... ! (n)(n)(n)

Low blow ...
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y) Thanks Getlo...you beat me to it!

keke23

01-21-2008, 09:41 AM

For those of yall sayin it's safe....move there then see if you think it's safe, lol

The direct area around the mansion isn't as bad as the rest fo WH.

But it aint "safe" either.

Getlo, you might have walked outside the gates, under the lights, but I doubt you went walkin down EPB at night b y yourself away from bright litup areas.

Even us black folks know not to do that.

In the day, it's a lil differnet because of business at Graceland.

Although the police did have a big prostitution sting bust in the day a month or 2 ago on EPB, yards from Graceland.

Trust me....it's not safe.

I used to live there so I should know.

utmom2008

01-21-2008, 09:43 AM

Please read my above post Cameron, clearly addressing me w/your snide comment, I quoted you both times, so please don't now turn it to what Getlo posted...clearly that was not your original intention.
I'm not taking up space, merely refreshing your memory as you seem to have been under a misconception.:)
:lol::lol: I love to "watch" a good case of back-peddling, which is exactly what we have going on here. :lol: I think we all saw what was said, and we all thought it was said to you Suzan.

utmom2008

01-21-2008, 09:46 AM

Getlo

01-21-2008, 09:49 AM

Getlo, you might have walked outside the gates, under the lights, but I doubt you went walkin down EPB at night b y yourself away from bright litup areas.

I did, actually. On the nights I was there, I would've walked about two miles in either direction.

And it was perfectly fine.

keke23

01-21-2008, 09:56 AM

I did, actually. On the nights I was there, I would've walked about two miles in either direction.

And it was perfectly fine.

Yeah, sue you did.

As Elvis would say....you're lyin like a rug too.

I lived in that neighborhood. I know what it's like.

If black folks can't go down a street without havin to worry about bein robbed or shot, then I surely know some foreigner aint gonna do it.

keke23

01-21-2008, 09:58 AM

Cameron, sorry for callin you a girl.

I thought you were. My bad.

Well, then you rock dude!(y), lol

Sonny

01-21-2008, 10:32 AM

Closed.. Enough once again....

EP75

01-28-2008, 05:54 PM

What is your own personal views and opinions about how Graceland is perceived by you and the general public today? I ask this because of the graves thread recently brought up and how some were unhappy with the attraction factor. I did not start this thread to start any arguments. I am asking for your opinions not your criticism or venting at Bob Sillerman. This is not about him. This is about what it is TODAY. I want to know what it is that you see in Graceland as an attraction today.

For me, I see it as two things. 1)I think they I see it as a museum and landmark of a famous historical figure. 2)They see it as a park like setting as it is, which makes it a tourist attraction. You got the themed attractions-the house, the planes, the cars, the flashy costumes, the shiny bling-bling jewelry, the awards shrine, the horses, the gravesite attraction and the souvenir shops. Also the themed hotel. To me, it already has a "theme park" feel to it with the circus atmosphere. Just no rides like a classic theme park does.

So now tell me what you think of it in your own eyes. And please, NO ARGUING. Let's keep this peaceful and respectful to each other's opinions.(y)

ksimms2

01-28-2008, 06:10 PM

I think Graceland is fine just the way it is....I don't see it as an attraction - the only part that is the attraction would be all the shops - other than that.....the house, the grounds, the planes I see as part of Elvis and his history, his life.......

GraceeD1970

01-28-2008, 06:33 PM

My biggest complaint w/ Graceland is their prices for admission! Come on $68 per person for a VIP (no discount for being a senior, student or kid . . . free for 6 and under). The Graceland Platinum Tour would cost our family $109 - which is a little excessive - considering it's not an all day adventure! Then they'll nickle and dime you everywhere else across the complex. Elvis was not about this in my opion.

utmom2008

01-28-2008, 06:48 PM

I want to know what it is that you see in Graceland as an attraction today.

My answer is very simple.....I see Graceland, and I see Elvis. One of the main reasons why I personally don't want Graceland messed with is because to me, it's the closest I can come to being in time capsule. There is a spirit within that house......and it takes me back to a fabulous time in my life. Maybe that sounds crazy to some, especially the younger fans, but that's how I see Graceland.:blush::blink:

ksimms2

01-28-2008, 06:54 PM

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My answer is very simple.....I see Graceland, and I see Elvis. One of the main reasons why I personally don't want Graceland messed with is because to me, it's the closest I can come to being in time capsule. There is a spirit within that house......and it takes me back to a fabulous time in my life. Maybe that sounds crazy to some, especially the younger fans, but that's how I see Graceland.:blush::blink:

well said lady! (y)

cameron

01-28-2008, 06:59 PM

For obvious reasons; Graceland and the whole neighborhood should be cleaned and repaired . Otherwise, it should be left as it is.
It was Elvis' home and it's what most people go to see and experience.

I have no objections to building things across the street and further down the road. Just not up around and dwarfing Graceland.

Diane

01-28-2008, 07:12 PM

I am in complete agreement with Rosanne and Cameron....no Elvisworld entertainment park!

Diane

john carpenter

01-28-2008, 08:06 PM

Graceland is a special place. It's where Elvis lived, laughed, and had fun. I know he died there. But i believe in his heart Elvis wouldn't want to die any other place.. Back to topic. I don't see it as an attraction or amusement park. It's a place where we (the fans) can go so we can share our admiration for a special gifted man. We all feel his prescence there. I'm proud that Graceland and the Meditation Garden is open for all to see. And the souvener shops are a place where we can have fun and buy our "Elvis Stuff". I agree that Elvis Presley Blvd needs to be cleaned up. It reminded me of a ghetto with all the run-down homes and pandhandlers on the street.

Shelly

01-28-2008, 08:16 PM

To me it is all about making money. Elvis would not like having all of the stuff done. I want to go to Graceland and one day i will. But i will never get to go inside the house or see the other stuff. I would not be able to afford it. I did get to see the graves in 1978 the house was not open then. The shops were across the street. Graceland should stay as a National Landmark!!! Don't do anything else with it leave it as it was 30 years ago.

Frankieg

01-28-2008, 09:30 PM

I see Graceland as, well, Graceland !!!

It was Elvis' home. No big deal to me.

I became an ELvis fan, and am still an Elvis fan, because of Elvis. I have no real interest in any of all this craziness brought up constantly about his home and this Sillerman character.

You asked for my thoughts and opinion, well, there ya have it.

Next ...

Jungleroom76

02-05-2008, 04:38 PM

Mike...I loved Jerry's book.(y) You really do need to read it.(y) To me...it was very honest, yet told by someone that you could tell cared a great deal about Elvis, the man...Elvis the friend, not Elvis the money-making machine. I always liked Jerry alot...I have alot of respect for him. He's one of the few MM's that actually got his college degree(please don't start on the "education" thing over this) and had other means to support himself. If I have one complaint about Jerry it would be that Pris seems to have suckered him in....;);)

Just picked up a copy of Jerry Schilling's book FINALLY!!! :blush:

(Actually, Amazon.com has them on sale right now -- the hardcover edition is only $6.99 plus shipping!!)

I'm about halfway through the book now and it is VERY GOOD, as you said it would be Rosanne!!! (See, I got your name right this time!!) ;)

It moves along very well, and is told in a very straightforward way, just as I would expect from Jerry!

Thanks again for the recommendation!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

Jungleroom76

02-05-2008, 04:40 PM

i think mike only mistyped, rosanne!

N O T that he might imply the two of us are only one of us with several nicks :lol:

hugs to myself :P

ellie

Yep...a mistype on my part....sorry about that!! :blush:

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008

02-05-2008, 04:59 PM

Just picked up a copy of Jerry Schilling's book FINALLY!!! :blush:

(Actually, Amazon.com has them on sale right now -- the hardcover edition is only $6.99 plus shipping!!)

I'm about halfway through the book now and it is VERY GOOD, as you said it would be Rosanne!!! (See, I got your name right this time!!) ;)

It moves along very well, and is told in a very straightforward way, just as I would expect from Jerry!

Thanks again for the recommendation!! (y)

TCB!
Mike
:lol: I'm glad that you got it Mike...let me know what you think when you are finished. And....a great price! (y)(y)

Jungleroom76

02-05-2008, 06:13 PM

:lol: I'm glad that you got it Mike...let me know what you think when you are finished. And....a great price! (y)(y)

I couldn't believe the price when I saw it....with shipping, the book only cost me around $10.50!! (y)

I will definitely let you know what I thought of it when I am finished with it....it is a hard book for me to put down!! I just got it yesterday and am already about halfway through it! ;)

TCB!
Mike

franny

02-05-2008, 06:13 PM

Just picked up a copy of Jerry Schilling's book FINALLY!!! :blush:

(Actually, Amazon.com has them on sale right now -- the hardcover edition is only $6.99 plus shipping!!)

I'm about halfway through the book now and it is VERY GOOD, as you said it would be Rosanne!!! (See, I got your name right this time!!) ;)

It moves along very well, and is told in a very straightforward way, just as I would expect from Jerry!

Thanks again for the recommendation!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

Mike, I'm halfway through the book, too! I like it so far, Jerry speaks very well of Elvis and you also learn about Jerry's life! Interesting so far...(y)

franny

Jungleroom76

02-05-2008, 06:39 PM

Absolutely right Franny!! (y)

This was one Elvis book that I have wanted to get for a while now, but for various reasons, I am just getting around to picking up!

But knowing how well Jerry speaks of Elvis and how well spoken he is, I figured his book would be a very well written and detailed account of his time with Elvis. In my opinion, this is probably the closest thing we'll ever get to an actual account of life with Elvis!!

Can't wait to hear what you think of the book when you finish it Franny!

TCB!
Mike

franny

02-06-2008, 02:56 PM

This was on EIN...

franny

EPE acquisitions continue around Graceland: Elvis World's Bill E. Burk reports: EPE continues buying up every inch of land within sight of Graceland. Last two purchases have been apartment complexes on the hill behind the shops, giving Graceland now over 100 acres in the area -- bigger than the Memphis Zoo! ALL of announced plans have "Elvis"connected things (hotel<s>, restaurants, shops, visitors center, parking) being re-located to the east side of EP Blvd., leaving a vast amount of acreage on the west side unannounced. The name "Disney" keeps getting mentioned more and more and time passes.

Until EPE gets its hands on the Boulevard Souvenirs property, don't expect a lot of work to get started on the east side ... but 2009 seems to be the target date for opening all these things.

JDD

02-06-2008, 03:15 PM

I'll miss Boulevard Souvenirs when its gone. I liked the people that ran it, and I got a lot of good things there over the years at lower prices then the graceland owned shops sold them for. The last year its been rough for them because they've been cut off at the knees with the distributors , but before that I loved the shop.

JD

Diane

02-06-2008, 04:34 PM

I can understand your feelings JD. Sad to see small businesses being pushed out. I do agree to the cleanup around the area but like the idea of EPE making some arrangements instead with these businesses that would benefit both.

Diane

EP75

02-06-2008, 05:20 PM

franny

02-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Well you guys know this is my subject so I have to chime in on it.:D First off-I think the new changes are going to put EP and Graceland on a whole new level of popularity, fame, and international and cultural appreciation and respect. The way things are set up today at the Graceland Plaza isn't all that attractive to a younger generation. The building alone is way out of date. this has been mentioned by others in the past. I don't know if you saw it or not but on Saturday they had a special on ABC about the University of Memphis basketball team chasing perfection and two of their players (who are African American) were at Graceland taking a tour with the female host and they looked totally unimpressed. Now you take those same young men to Graceland after the spiffy expansion changes are made and I'll bet you it will be a different story and a new found appreciation for the man. Why? because it will all be done to fit their generation and taste of modern day hi-tech exhibits.(y)

About the souvenir shop. I don't understand why EPE don't settle out of court and end this. If they plan on having all of these massive changes opening within the next 22 months then they need to get busy. It will take a year just to build the massive 80,000 square foot visitor's center. And that's just one facility out of several being planned.

It is? :supriced: Just kidding :)

True, it does sound as if EPE is a bit behind on starting some of these changes, that's if they plan to have it done within the next 2 years...:hmm:

franny

Wendy56

02-06-2008, 06:24 PM

:contract: $$$???

KPM

02-06-2008, 06:48 PM

Well you guys know this is my subject so I have to chime in on it.:D First off-I think the new changes are going to put EP and Graceland on a whole new level of popularity, fame, and international and cultural appreciation and respect. The way things are set up today at the Graceland Plaza isn't all that attractive to a younger generation. The building alone is way out of date. this has been mentioned by others in the past. I don't know if you saw it or not but on Saturday they had a special on ABC about the University of Memphis basketball team chasing perfection and two of their players (who are African American) were at Graceland taking a tour with the female host and they looked totally unimpressed. Now you take those same young men to Graceland after the spiffy expansion changes are made and I'll bet you it will be a different story and a new found appreciation for the man. Why? because it will all be done to fit their generation and taste of modern day hi-tech exhibits.(y)

About the souvenir shop. I don't understand why EPE don't settle out of court and end this. If they plan on having all of these massive changes opening within the next 22 months then they need to get busy. It will take a year just to build the massive 80,000 square foot visitor's center. And that's just one facility out of several being planned.
I do not understand your reasoning-"spiffy expansion changes will equal a new found appreciation for the man" -by young people and African Americans?
Because the place is newer looking and more modern how does that add to Elvis and the appreciation for him? If they do not see something in his charismatic personality, talent, or looks-why would a proverbial "new coat of paint" suddenly change that? If they do not see his place in advancing Rock n Roll why would spiffy changes suddenly change that? He will still be ELVIS either way. Spiffy changes may draw more people that I agree with-but the changes alone will not give anyone a "new apprecialtion for Elvis and his talent" IMO

KPM

02-06-2008, 06:54 PM

It is? :supriced: Just kidding :)

True, it does sound as if EPE is a bit behind on starting some of these changes, that's if they plan to have it done within the next 2 years...:hmm:franny
It does seem to be moving slower- compared to all the hoopla at first,
I have pointed out how slowly these things can go, the bigger the idea the slower it moves forward. I'll bet 2 years becomes 4 at least. I also would not rule out major snags which have not been invisioned.

EP75

02-06-2008, 08:10 PM

It does seem to be moving slower- compared to all the hoopla at first,
I have pointed out how slowly these things can go, the bigger the idea the slower it moves forward. I'll bet 2 years becomes 4 at least. I also would not rule out major snags which have not been invisioned.

Here's the deal. The plans are being slowed down basically due to this lawsuit pending. Once a settlement is reached (and I am sure the owners of the shop are holding out for as much as they can get) then this will be cleared out of the way. EPE and CKX would not be continually buying up property around the area if they thought it would have a "snag" in the plans to delay them. Money talks and Bob Sillerman has as much as Memphis makes yearly in tourism alone. Also this is NOT a public project where building permissions and funding has to come from individuals and a year turns into 3 years before groundbreaking begins. This is a private project with the help of tax incentive packages. Once the city council approved the rezoning then the dirt will turn. But I can not see the city of Memphis disapproving such a money maker for their city that is privately funded and won't include tax dollars.

I don't see this stretching out to 4 years since it is all privately funded and those funds already in place. In fact I predcit that by no later than June we will see construction take place.(y)

EP75

02-06-2008, 08:19 PM

utmom2008

02-06-2008, 10:55 PM

I do not understand your reasoning-"spiffy expansion changes will equal a new found appreciation for the man" -by young people and African Americans?
Because the place is newer looking and more modern how does that add to Elvis and the appreciation for him? If they do not see something in his charismatic personality, talent, or looks-why would a proverbial "new coat of paint" suddenly change that? If they do not see his place in advancing Rock n Roll why would spiffy changes suddenly change that? He will still be ELVIS either way. Spiffy changes may draw more people that I agree with-but the changes alone will not give anyone a "new apprecialtion for Elvis and his talent" IMO
Great post KPM. (y) I was reading through and scrolling down to post almost verbatim what you just said. It's Elvis that needs to be appreciated, not some high tech video game graphic of the man. That is so NOT what he was about. Maybe they can take him home and put him on the Wii machine. ;)

Diane

02-07-2008, 06:02 AM

I agree with both KPM and Rosanne. They are losing all sight of Elvis as the man and Elvis is what has always drawn people to Graceland all on his own without high tech gimmicks.

Wonder if later on people will remember why they are going there or who used to live in that mansion?

Diane

cameron

02-07-2008, 07:06 AM

I've talked to some "older Elvis fans" about all this .
Ones that live there or still live there.
All agree; they have no objection to a through clean up of the neighborhood.
But, nothing slightly resembling any Disney theme .
One even liked the roller coaster ; but way down the road from Graceland. ;)It seems a gated community is their ideal.

MissyM

02-07-2008, 07:46 AM

A man who's sweetness and light came out of humble beginnings. No matter what... he never seemed to loose sight of that. Nor did his parents. He was only slightly grand, in some of the things he owned but accumulatating wealth and fortune was not his top priority. He always seemed to hold to and have an appreciate the little things in life as well. He changed Graceland for "his" pleasures. (such as having a place to ride his horses. All this is so contrary to what he was as a person. It is gaudy IMO. Make no mistake, he appreciated his fans. That is why he helped so many, but his basic instinct was to give them the things he felt most valuable, his love of music, his music, his spirit, and a helping hand when needed. This is about giving EPE a huge helping hand, vast materialism, and in so many ways, the end result will be a watering down of the persona of the basic, human, spirit of the man.

cameron

02-07-2008, 08:22 AM

Unfortunately, Elvis is dead. His name is a commodity; a business. There's nothing anyone can do to change that.
Fans can only hope to keep the "man Elvis" alive so the public will know him as he was.
Not to get off topic; but there's many things we can do to see that he's remembered as we knew him ;not as some continue doing by pointing out all his flaws and slandering his name. To me that is more important than any physical thing as a house that he once lived in.

I think both can be done. I just don't believe anything will be done to harm Graceland. Some that keep pointing out all that will be done in Disney style don't really know Sillerman. ;) He didn't get rich or come so far to destroy it.

keke23

02-07-2008, 09:34 AM

I don't see it bein completed by 09. I'm thinkin more like 2010 at the earliest.

They aint even broke ground on it yet.

There's just way too much to do and build to have it all done in the next year.

I doubt it'll be a gated community either or any homes around it as it is now.

Sillerman wants to do away with residential and rezone the area into all commercial.

The "Disney" phrase is bein used because he wants to build upscale attractions, restaurants, hotels and resorts and have a entertainment district as Disney is in Orlando.

That's my understanding from what I've been told.

To have all that, you can't have folks livin in the area.

I told Jay last year that a residential buyout was comin and EPE said they weren't gonna buy up no homes, but they already have.

Many more will follow.

Mark Jacobs

02-07-2008, 11:23 AM

Here's a new story breaking today posted on anotehr forum board. There's going to be a new center 7 times bigger than Graceland.

Elvis Presley Enterprises Buys Whitehaven Multifamily
EPE and CKX Prepare for $250M Overhaul of Graceland

Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc. purchased 1032 Craft Road in Whitehaven for nearly $1.58 million from Michael E. Reed. EPE purchased the property as part of its $250 million redevelopment of the Graceland visitor center.

The property at 1032 Craft Road is an apartment building on 5 acres. EPE purchased the property for its land value and will tear down the 88-unit apartment building that was built in 1963. The land sold for about $315,000 per acre.

EPE’s parent company, CKX, plans to own more than 105 acres that surround Graceland. It plans to build new hotels and improve the public spaces around Graceland. For instance, the existing 128-room Heartbreak Hotel will be raised and in its place will be a much larger convention hotel on the Graceland side of Elvis Presley Boulevard. Furthermore, the existing visitor center will be raised and replaced with one seven times the size of Graceland.

c.o.star.com

Tony Trout

02-07-2008, 11:29 AM

Wonder if later on people will remember why they are going there or who used to live in that mansion?

Diane

I'll prolly get shot for this but I'm going to venture to say.....

"No".

utmom2008

02-07-2008, 12:39 PM

I'll prolly get shot for this but I'm going to venture to say.....

"No".
I "second" that........;)

Miss Clawdy

02-07-2008, 12:43 PM

I do not understand your reasoning-"spiffy expansion changes will equal a new found appreciation for the man" -by young people and African Americans?
Because the place is newer looking and more modern how does that add to Elvis and the appreciation for him? If they do not see something in his charismatic personality, talent, or looks-why would a proverbial "new coat of paint" suddenly change that? If they do not see his place in advancing Rock n Roll why would spiffy changes suddenly change that? He will still be ELVIS either way. Spiffy changes may draw more people that I agree with-but the changes alone will not give anyone a "new apprecialtion for Elvis and his talent" IMO

Great post, thank you! I agree with you KPM, Rosanne, Diane and Missy (y)

utmom2008

02-07-2008, 12:49 PM

KPM

02-07-2008, 01:45 PM

Here's the deal. The plans are being slowed down basically due to this lawsuit pending. Once a settlement is reached (and I am sure the owners of the shop are holding out for as much as they can get) then this will be cleared out of the way. EPE and CKX would not be continually buying up property around the area if they thought it would have a "snag" in the plans to delay them. Money talks and Bob Sillerman has as much as Memphis makes yearly in tourism alone. Also this is NOT a public project where building permissions and funding has to come from individuals and a year turns into 3 years before groundbreaking begins. This is a private project with the help of tax incentive packages. Once the city council approved the rezoning then the dirt will turn. But I can not see the city of Memphis disapproving such a money maker for their city that is privately funded and won't include tax dollars.

I don't see this stretching out to 4 years since it is all privately funded and those funds already in place. In fact I predcit that by no later than June we will see construction take place.(y)
We have discussed this before-it does not matter if every dollar is private funds. It is the matter of the beast of construction, very, very few publiic or private major construction jobs of this size are done in the amount of time they predict. You still have to follow the local and state rules, you still have to have inspections every step of the way by those authorities. If there are any problems construction will halt until the concerns of whomever brought them forward is appeased. You still deal with bad weather etc.....They may very well start building by June-thats a long way from completion of the total project. I am just saying that is the normal nature of the beast of major construction projects. If every single thing, from start to finish, runs perfect then the projected dates will probably be met. But if they do not(and it seems so far it has been moving a little slow) it can be much longer.
Its not going to break Memphis, Sillerman, nor Graceland if it takes longer. IMO

KPM

02-07-2008, 02:01 PM

Here's an example of how privately funded projects get done much quicker than publicly funded projects. This is the new Davidson Center for Space Exploration. I took this picture today after work. It cost $17 million and was built in less than a 12 month period. It's a Visitor's center and houses the historical Saturn V rocket that was launched into space and returned.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/PC130006.jpg
It took 12 months for a 17 million dollar building which seems pretty simple in design. Wouldn't you agree thats a far cry from Sillermans $250 million redevelopement? The scope is far more vast than a single $17 million dollar construction. Its a complete redesign of the the area- 105 acres at this point and still counting. I would call this comparing Apples to Oranges. IF it takes 2 years fine-if it takes 4 fine. I am just saying it may hit many snags for a project this vast. It may take 6 months to a year to settle the lawsuit alone. Who knows. Any projected date for construction- is just that- a projection subject to variables which may push that projection back.

keke23

02-07-2008, 02:38 PM

There won't be an actual thrill ride theme park in the plans. That I can assure you. Although 1 could be planned down the road in the future.

But my source told me today that Disney is now talkin with Graceland about a possible new attraction. So there's some truth to that rumor of a Disneyfied attraction.

This won't be built in a 1 year period. He thinks it'll take as long as 2-4 years to complete the whole project.

It'll all be built in 2 phases.

Phase 1 will be the new museum complex and will be built on the same side of road as the mansion.

Phase 2 will be the redevelopment of the area across from Graceland where the plaza and HH are today.

That's the area that Disney is wantin to work with. There's over 70 acres of EPE owned land there.

Don't expect the lawsuit to hold Sillerman back too much, for whatever that means.

Sillerman has already bough several homes Northeast of Graceland.

Elvis' dad's home is gonna be bought up and torn down with the rest of the homes in the area to make room for their expansion.

Major announcement comin soon.

I don't know, but I think they're gonna extend the grounds to the south, which is past his grave.

JDD

02-07-2008, 03:02 PM

Sillerman has already bough several homes Northeast of Graceland.

Elvis' dad's home is gonna be bought up and torn down with the rest of the homes in the area to make room for their expansion.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there any place you can direct me to that
shows info about this? I can't really see why they'd nuke that one when it could easily be part of the touring and over all Elvis lore. A lot of fans already seem to like driving down the road and looking at that house from the street.

JD

keke23

02-07-2008, 03:32 PM

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there any place you can direct me to that
shows info about this? I can't really see why they'd nuke that one when it could easily be part of the touring and over all Elvis lore. A lot of fans already seem to like driving down the road and looking at that house from the street.

JD

No, I can't give out that info.

Time will prove that what I've told yall is correct.

As for the home that Elvis' dad owned, I don't know if they have plans to tear it down or just renovate it into their VIP tours.

My source said he's heard it's gonna be bought up and possibly torn down.

franny

02-07-2008, 04:16 PM

No, I can't give out that info.

Time will prove that what I've told yall is correct.

As for the home that Elvis' dad owned, I don't know if they have plans to tear it down or just renovate it into their VIP tours.

My source said he's heard it's gonna be bought up and possibly torn down.

I hope Vernon's house won't be torn down...but, it sounds like two different plans are up in the air with it...:hmm:

How long before this will happen, the tearing down or the renovating?

franny

utmom2008

02-07-2008, 04:27 PM

No, I can't give out that info.

My source said he's heard it's gonna be bought up and possibly torn down.

I agree with the above post too(JDD)...I won't believe anything until we have some sort of proof. Yes.....a link would be really nice.;););)

utmom2008

02-07-2008, 04:35 PM

It is the matter of the beast of construction, very, very few publiic or private major construction jobs of this size are done in the amount of time they predict. You still have to follow the local and state rules, you still have to have inspections every step of the way by those authorities. If there are any problems construction will halt until the concerns of whomever brought them forward is appeased.

I can't think of any that were ever completed in the specified time frame. A few years back they were building a 3 story mall in Austin, Texas. During the construction phase a nest was discovered of some little rare frog, yes..a frog. Construction was halted for over 18 months while everyone argued about wether or not to disturb the little frogs.;);)
My family was in the building and construction business. My Dad, and then later my brother, built many Hotels and shopping centers in Texas and Arkansas. Nothing was ever finished in the time frame that was given.:supriced:;)

keke23

02-07-2008, 04:52 PM

I hope Vernon's house won't be torn down...but, it sounds like two different plans are up in the air with it...:hmm:

How long before this will happen, the tearing down or the renovating?

franny

It's possible, since the homes are on the opposite site of the mansion from where they're main concerns will be, that they won't buy up those houses for another year or so.

But then again, they could buy them up overnight.

keke23

02-07-2008, 05:00 PM

I can't think of any that were ever completed in the specified time frame. A few years back they were building a 3 story mall in Austin, Texas. During the construction phase a nest was discovered of some little rare frog, yes..a frog. Construction was halted for over 18 months while everyone argued about wether or not to disturb the little frogs.;);)
My family was in the building and construction business. My Dad, and then later my brother, built many Hotels and shopping centers in Texas and Arkansas. Nothing was ever finished in the time frame that was given.:supriced:;)

I know some of yall are prayin this all falls through and somehow nothin happens. But it aint gonna. It's a done deal.

My source has convinced me that it's a go, once the CC approves it, and that's expected to be soon.

They don't have to deal with city officials and politics interfearin with this plan. That's why they kept it privately funded.

All they need from the city now is financin for infrastructure.

It won't be built overnight. But it won't take longer than 4 year max, according to my source.

Sillerman wants it all completed by 2012 for the next big anniversary time.

I was told it aint gonna be anything little or minor changes. The improvements will be gigantic!

Vegas is next on Sillerman's list.

Like a said, an announcement is comin soon. Stay tuned.;)

Tony Trout

02-07-2008, 05:16 PM

I know some of yall are prayin this all falls through and somehow nothin happens. But it aint gonna. It's a done deal.

My source has convinced me that it's a go, once the CC approves it, and that's expected to be soon.

They don't have to deal with city officials and politics interfearin with this plan. That's why they kept it privately funded.

All they need from the city now is financin for infrastructure.

It won't be built overnight. But it won't take longer than 4 year max, according to my source.

Sillerman wants it all completed by 2012 for the next big anniversary time.

I was told it aint gonna be anything little or minor changes. The improvements will be gigantic!

Vegas is next on Sillerman's list.

Like a said, an announcement is comin soon. Stay tuned.;)

*waits skeptically*

presley31

02-07-2008, 05:20 PM

I don't see the big deal really if it happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't. I think the best bet is waiting for EPE to post the news.

utmom2008

02-07-2008, 05:21 PM

I know some of yall are prayin this all falls through and somehow nothin happens. But it aint gonna. It's a done deal.

My source has convinced me that it's a go, once the CC approves it, and that's expected to be soon.

They don't have to deal with city officials and politics interfearin with this plan. That's why they kept it privately funded.

I am not praying one way or the other on this thing...that is beside the point. I do know firsthand however that sometimes being privately funded makes no difference. There are still a jillion codes and such that have to be followed. Plus, all it takes is for one nut to decide to file some sort of goofy lawsuit, and construction is halted until it is settled.:supriced:

KPM

02-08-2008, 01:30 PM

I am not praying one way or the other on this thing...that is beside the point. I do know firsthand however that sometimes being privately funded makes no difference. There are still a jillion codes and such that have to be followed. Plus, all it takes is for one nut to decide to file some sort of goofy lawsuit, and construction is halted until it is settled.:supriced:
Truthfully that is my feeling also. I think Elvis & his legacy has done pretty well to this point. I am all for trying to draw new fans- but if we are saying that is totally dependant upon flashy buildings and futuristic electronics something is wrong. Flash and electronics can not make people who do not like his music or feel his charisma do so. His talent and charisma are the heart of his appeal. If the emphasis is on flash and not his chrismatic talent I feel its missing the mark. This is going to be a fine line to walk-not overshadowing the talent he was-with electronic flash IMO

rocknroll

02-08-2008, 01:40 PM

Hopefully all this money spending won't put prices for tours, etc. out of reach. It is close to that level now.

keke23

02-08-2008, 01:50 PM

keke23

02-08-2008, 01:52 PM

Hopefully all this money spending won't put prices for tours, etc. out of reach. It is close to that level now.

I agree. Their prices are out of this world for so little to see.

AHM1977

02-08-2008, 01:52 PM

I'll guess we just have to wait and see how this will affect the popularity of Elvis/Graceland.... I just hope it will be great for fans and NOT just another "wild circus" to make more dollars.... It's allright by me if they make good money out of it as long as it is done in a proper way to honor the man, and keep a true legacy to Elvis.... but I've got my doubts...:hmm:

Miss Clawdy

02-08-2008, 01:53 PM

It took 12 months for a 17 million dollar building which seems pretty simple in design. Wouldn't you agree thats a far cry from Sillermans $250 million redevelopement? The scope is far more vast than a single $17 million dollar construction. Its a complete redesign of the the area- 105 acres at this point and still counting. I would call this comparing Apples to Oranges. IF it takes 2 years fine-if it takes 4 fine. I am just saying it may hit many snags for a project this vast. It may take 6 months to a year to settle the lawsuit alone. Who knows. Any projected date for construction- is just that- a projection subject to variables which may push that projection back.

If it takes 100 years, even better ;)

KPM

02-08-2008, 02:16 PM

The local media keeps sayin there's gonna be a Disney style Elvis theme park at Graceland. But I don't think that's gonna happen.

But then again, EPE has lied before so anything's possible with them.

I would love seein a Elvis theme park somewhere in Whitehaven. Just not right across the street from the mansion.

Disney is talkin with EPE about the 70 acres of land across from Graceland so no tellin what's gonna happen with that open space when it's redeveloped.:hmm:
Since Sillermans the 85% share holder-EPE(Lisa) will have little to say when it comes to these plans outside of the Graceland property.
Disney talking to EPE? If Disney would talk to anyone it seems again it would be Sillerman. Sillerman is the one buying up property not EPE. If he owns the 70 acres across from Graceland- Disney would not talk to the 15% share holder, they would talk to the 85% share holder. I'm not being argumentative but sometimes some of this makes no sense. Now if they wanted to do something on the acres that Graceland occupies then they would have to talk to EPE and Lisa-she still wholely owns that property.

keke23

02-08-2008, 04:02 PM

Since Sillermans the 85% share holder-EPE(Lisa) will have little to say when it comes to these plans outside of the Graceland property.
Disney talking to EPE? If Disney would talk to anyone it seems again it would be Sillerman. Sillerman is the one buying up property not EPE. If he owns the 70 acres across from Graceland- Disney would not talk to the 15% share holder, they would talk to the 85% share holder. I'm not being argumentative but sometimes some of this makes no sense. Now if they wanted to do something on the acres that Graceland occupies then they would have to talk to EPE and Lisa-she still wholely owns that property.

Why are you nitpickin?

Yes, Sillerman owns EPE but they still are the ones who the media addresses.

The reports say "EPE bought this and that". Not Sillerman. So that's what I'm goin by.

Disney is talkin with EPE, so I'm sure Sillerman is involved in those talks as well.

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 04:06 PM

presley31

02-08-2008, 04:11 PM

To be frank l really can't be bothered with sillerman or his plans right now, doesn't look like he really busy letting elvis fans know whats really going on!

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 04:14 PM

Truthfully that is my feeling also. I think Elvis & his legacy has done pretty well to this point. I am all for trying to draw new fans- but if we are saying that is totally dependant upon flashy buildings and futuristic electronics something is wrong. Flash and electronics can not make people who do not like his music or feel his charisma do so. His talent and charisma are the heart of his appeal. If the emphasis is on flash and not his chrismatic talent I feel its missing the mark. This is going to be a fine line to walk-not overshadowing the talent he was-with electronic flash IMO

Your post and Missy's post should BOTH be required reading for any Elvis fan. His talent and charisma are the heart of his appeal. What a truthful statement.(y) Yes...his appeal really is that simple. He doesn't need to be an electronic video game to attract anyone. This is the very thing that will end up making alot of people make fun of him. If they can't see the man for what he was.....then it's their loss, not ours.

Diane

02-08-2008, 05:36 PM

(y)(y)(y) Rosanne, KPM and Missy...all your posts were right on the money...and not Sillerman's. :lol:

Diane

Mark Jacobs

02-08-2008, 06:40 PM

I have noticed some of you on here trying to find ways for the overhaul not to happen and I don't understand that. I went to Graceland last year with my family and it wasn't all that impressive on the outside of the gates and across the street. I liked the home and the awards area. That was pretty classy. But outside of the wall, the whole area was dumpy looking and unattractive. So yes a major overhaul is needed.

I have also noticed that some of you have thrown out the phrase "Disney-like" at times and knocked it as being tacky or tasteless. My family and I all went to Disney World Resort in Orlando last spring and it was one of a kind experience. Nothing compares to it. Not even Graceland. There was much more to see and do than just take in Disney World. There was Epcot Center which was a cultural experience in which we spent all day at. There was the Animal kingdom. And then Universal Studios. All of it was in the same area. We were there for about 5 days. At Graceland, we were there for about 3 hours or so.

That being said, I don't know if a "Disney-like" theme park would work for Elvis or Graceland. If Robert FX Sillerman wants to attract young visitors then he should go with something like 'City Walk' at Universal http://www.universalorlando.com/cw_index.html . It's an entertainment complex with restaurants, retail, fine dining, and live entertainment; all on this beautiful man made lagoon that separates one side from the other within walking distance. It's the ultimate night life experience in Orlando. That's something Graceland and Memphis is missing. That's what we were disappointed in was that there was nothing to do once we saw all of the Elvis stuff. If they add something like that then kids and families will flock to Graceland by the thousands.

I said it when I first posted here that some go there to see it for what it is, which is a famous national landmark. Some go there as fans just because it was Elvis' home. We went because it was a national landmark and tourist attraction that is worldly known. We didn't go there just because it was his home.

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 07:25 PM

I have also noticed that some of you have thrown out the phrase "Disney-like" at times and knocked it as being tacky or tasteless. My family and I all went to Disney World Resort in Orlando last spring and it was one of a kind experience. Nothing compares to it. Not even Graceland.

"Disney-like"=tacky and tasteless.(n) Disney-like may be well and good for an amusement park. Disney-like has nothing to do with Graceland. If they are coming for an amusement atmosphere, then they are missing the entire reason for coming.(n)

Diane

02-08-2008, 07:29 PM

(y)(y)(y)

Diane

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 07:38 PM

(y)(y)(y)

Diane
Thanks Diane! :D:D

Mark Jacobs

02-08-2008, 09:09 PM

"Disney-like"=tacky and tasteless.(n) Disney-like may be well and good for an amusement park. Disney-like has nothing to do with Graceland. If they are coming for an amusement atmosphere, then they are missing the entire reason for coming.(n)

That's your opinion. Others may see it differently as I do. In fact I thought Graceland was more tackier than Disney. But that's my opinion.;)

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 09:21 PM

That's your opinion. Others may see it differently as I do. In fact I thought Graceland was more tackier than Disney. But that's my opinion.;)
That's certainly an interesting thought. While my tastes are not the same as those used in the house, at the same time I certainly respect that Graceland was the heart and soul of Elvis. At least Graceland is unique, and it reflects alot of it's owner's style. You can take Disneyland, Disneyworld, Six Flags, etc and shake them up in a paper bag and not know one from the other. The unique human being that was Elvis Presley has absolutely nothing to do with an amusement park where there is a 10 ft. tall Mickey Mouse around every corner. To speak of them in the same sentence is disrespectful to his memory.

Mark Jacobs

02-08-2008, 09:37 PM

That's certainly an interesting thought. While my tastes are not the same as those used in the house, at the same time I certainly respect that Graceland was the heart and soul of Elvis. At least Graceland is unique, and it reflects alot of it's owner's style. You can take Disneyland, Disneyworld, Six Flags, etc and shake them up in a paper bag and not know one from the other. The unique human being that was Elvis Presley has absolutely nothing to do with an amusement park where there is a 10 ft. tall Mickey Mouse around every corner. To speak of them in the same sentence is disrespectful to his memory.

Once again that's your opinion. But obviously you haven't been to Disney World in the past decade to know how unique and architecturally laid out it is. Graceland is simple and plain. The house is nice and the grounds are normal. But everything outside of it seemed as just another inner city. Nothing unique or special. You don't get that dirty city feeling at Disney World Resorts.

Maybe some of you fans are use to it or just don't care. But I know if I'm going to spend $60.00 to see an attraction that I better at least feel safe and enjoy myself and for longer than 3 hours.(n)

TotallyInsane

02-08-2008, 09:53 PM

This old fan is here to say that Elvis has never been and never will be an attraction!
Graceland is in Memphis!! That's all that needs to be said...Memphis is not known for it's beauty but is known for it's ELVIS!!
When we bought our land here in 1997 we were told Disney was going to build a theme park here in this small town. However, it is now 2008 and ground has yet to be broken for that theme park. I think the same rumor must have made it to Memphis!!!!

TotallyInsane

02-08-2008, 09:54 PM

Besides buddy, it would take a real fan longer than 3 hours to read all the awards he received!!!!

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 10:02 PM

But obviously you haven't been to Disney World in the past decade to know how unique and architecturally laid out it is. Graceland is simple and plain. The house is nice and the grounds are normal. But everything outside of it seemed as just another inner city. Nothing unique or special. You don't get that dirty city feeling at Disney World Resorts.

Maybe some of you fans are use to it or just don't care. But I know if I'm going to spend $60.00 to see an attraction that I better at least feel safe and enjoy myself and for longer than 3 hours.(n)

Thank goodness I haven't had to endure Disney World in the last 10 years..there are things for which I am grateful.;) I am missing the point on comparing a man's home to an amusement park with hot dogs and cotton candy. I don't think it's a case of fans being used to it or not caring...that is an absurd observation IMO:P It's more a case of the real fans remembering why they are there...to appreciate the man and his talents.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

utmom2008

02-08-2008, 10:14 PM

This old fan is here to say that Elvis has never been and never will be an attraction!

That says it all!(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

jak

02-09-2008, 12:34 AM

How a person would compare Graceland to other sites just depends on how much youre into Elvis.Personally I couldnt care less what is built around Graceland.To me the attraction is just going through those front doors.To me it's like you feel a connection to him when you enter Graceland.Obviously not everyone is going to feel that way however and that's understandable.I first went there back in the late 70's before the tours started.I can safely say that nothing will ever match the feeling I had when I stood at those gates for the first time.You could have taken Disneyland, the Grand Canyon or whatever and it wouldnt have even been close to the experience of just looking up that driveway.
Jak

Miss Clawdy

02-09-2008, 06:21 AM

Why Graceland has to be compared or has to compete with other sites
I don't understand at all. If you are visiting a fishery museum you probably
won't say oh that was boring why didn't they create a Disney-like facility to have more fun...!:doh:
And that's the difference, Marc Jacobs visited Graceland for 3 hours....
I would visit Graceland as long as possible on every day of my stay, because
I would come for Elvis and Graceland, the home where he lived, and for
absloutely no Disney-like attraction. And that's my opinion :D.

Diane

02-09-2008, 07:22 AM

DisneyLand has it's place...to entertain "children". We took our kids there years ago and it was wonderful for them...again I repeat "children". To put Graceland and Disney in the same sentence has no meaning for me at all.:blink:

Diane

EP75

02-09-2008, 09:17 AM

If Robert FX Sillerman wants to attract young visitors then he should go with something like 'City Walk' at Universal http://www.universalorlando.com/cw_index.html . It's an entertainment complex with restaurants, retail, fine dining, and live entertainment; all on this beautiful man made lagoon that separates one side from the other within walking distance. It's the ultimate night life experience in Orlando. That's something Graceland and Memphis is missing. That's what we were disappointed in was that there was nothing to do once we saw all of the Elvis stuff. If they add something like that then kids and families will flock to Graceland by the thousands.

Let's see, FXS is in talks with Disney for some type of attraction at Graceland. Jack Soden says that they plan to have retail, shopping, upscale restaurants, and live entertainment set in a village-like setting. Now what is CityWalk? Retail, shopping, upscale restaurants, and live entertainment set in a village-like setting.:hmm: Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking? Put one and one together.

Here's a couple of photos I found online of CityWalk in Orlando. I can see something like this in the Graceland area for night life and entertainment.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/citywalk.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/citywalk2.jpg

Mark Jacobs

02-09-2008, 10:14 AM

Let's see, FXS is in talks with Disney for some type of attraction at Graceland. Jack Soden says that they plan to have retail, shopping, upscale restaurants, and live entertainment set in a village-like setting. Now what is CityWalk? Retail, shopping, upscale restaurants, and live entertainment set in a village-like setting.:hmm: Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking? Put one and one together.

Here's a couple of photos I found online of CityWalk in Orlando. I can see something like this in the Graceland area for night life and entertainment.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/citywalk.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/citywalk2.jpg

TIMEOUT! When did they say they were going to do all that? I heard of the hotels and convention space planned but I never heard of them doing a retail and entertainment complex. If that's true then good for them. They need a city walk. But do they got enough space for one?

BTW, love the pix, man.(y) That big pic you posted of the space center the other day, where's that at?

EP75

02-09-2008, 10:52 AM

Jack Soden said this back in August of last year in a article. I posted it on here once but like all the other posts regarding the redevelopment plans it got locked.:hmm: Those photos are pretty ncie aren't they?(y) I like the night shot the most. How nice it would be to have scenery and a night life atmosphere around Graceland like that.

About the space center photo. That was taken at the US Space & Rocket Center here in Huntsville. It's the new Visitor's Center, theater, and exhibit hall. It also houses the real Saturn V rocket. It is our Graceland and #1 tourist attraction. Here's a rendering of the entire new facility.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/rocketsl9.png

Here's some photos of the entire park. It's actually a museum/theme park. It's got simulated space rides, Imax theater, eatery, a large garden, and Space Camp is held there yearly.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/90.jpg

The life sized model of the Space Shuttle.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/jay_256/loc3__450.jpg

Mark Jacobs

02-09-2008, 12:37 PM

EP75

02-09-2008, 01:58 PM

Yeah it's very popular here. They filmed Space Camp the movie here back in the early 90's. They are constantly expanding and adding new and exciting attractions. Sad to say but I haven't been there as a visitor since I was a kid. I guess it's like people who live in Memphis. They tend to take it (Graceland) for granted. I have been wanting to go back and revisit it. When I was a child I wanted to be an astronaut. But I grew out of it as I got older. After going there the other day to see the new facility it made me want to tour it. But money is scarce right now.

presley31

02-09-2008, 02:25 PM

IMO if the pictures that have been posted is what bob stillerman has in mind, don't think l'am on board for that idea, seems to me that they have lost sight of memphis and graceland and lost the idea why thousands of people visit graceland.

KPM

02-09-2008, 02:50 PM

I have noticed some of you on here trying to find ways for the overhaul not to happen and I don't understand that. I went to Graceland last year with my family and it wasn't all that impressive on the outside of the gates and across the street. I liked the home and the awards area. That was pretty classy. But outside of the wall, the whole area was dumpy looking and unattractive. So yes a major overhaul is needed.

I have also noticed that some of you have thrown out the phrase "Disney-like" at times and knocked it as being tacky or tasteless. My family and I all went to Disney World Resort in Orlando last spring and it was one of a kind experience. Nothing compares to it. Not even Graceland. There was much more to see and do than just take in Disney World. There was Epcot Center which was a cultural experience in which we spent all day at. There was the Animal kingdom. And then Universal Studios. All of it was in the same area. We were there for about 5 days. At Graceland, we were there for about 3 hours or so.

That being said, I don't know if a "Disney-like" theme park would work for Elvis or Graceland. If Robert FX Sillerman wants to attract young visitors then he should go with something like 'City Walk' at Universal http://www.universalorlando.com/cw_index.html ..

I said it when I first posted here that some go there to see it for what it is, which is a famous national landmark. Some go there as fans just because it was Elvis' home. We went because it was a national landmark and tourist attraction that is worldly known. We didn't go there just because it was his home.

I am not trying to find ways for the overhaul to not happen-I am asking questions as to the way in which the overhaul is handled and giving my opinion on it.
As far as Disney being involved-remember Disneyland is built on Fantasy. None of Disneys cartoon characters were real flesh and blood.That is the difference many of us see in the situation. You say you did not go to Graceland just because it was his home-you went because it was a national landmark and tourist attraction. Graceland would be neither of those-unless it was his home. That is the heart of the whole idea-it was his home. Some of that feeling, "some of what that means should be protected and guarded"
That is all many are saying. I see the need for update-but the talks seem to center on, "how big and flashy is can be" Little seems centered on- This was his Home. Perhaps that is not a concern to many I assume.

KPM

02-09-2008, 03:20 PM

Why are you nitpickin?

Yes, Sillerman owns EPE but they still are the ones who the media addresses.

The reports say "EPE bought this and that". Not Sillerman. So that's what I'm goin by.
Disney is talkin with EPE, so I'm sure Sillerman is involved in those talks as well.

Sillerman has the money, he is buying the property I'm sure Sillerman is the one talking to anyone who is involved in the $250 million redevelopement-doesn't that make sense? Nearly two years ago Sillermans, New York-based CKX acquired an 85 percent stake in EPE, with Lisa Marie Presley retaining 15 percent interest. CKX recently announced a $250 million plan to develop Graceland into a tourism development zone centered on Graceland and spreading to surrounding property. So EPE is not making any decisions- Sillerman is 85% owner of EPE he makes the decisions. The people who use to make all EPE decisions including Priscilla and Lisa are in the minority.
I do not feel its nitpickin to comment on posts where I think a little clarity is in order. Since you mentioned the Disney connection I was merely pointing out EPE will have little to say-Sillerman controls the property outside Graceland. If it was my 250 million I would be the one making the major decisions on spending and investing.

I am beginning to think that the "Elvis angle in the plans is secondary to what it will do for the area to some." That is where some are concerned. I have never been against the plans as long as they do not overshadow the one true fact-the only reason someone is willing to invest this much private money is because "Elvis's home is at the center of it" Some attention to that needs to be taken into consideration. I do not see that idea being the center of all this talk. That is bothersome.
As far as the Disney connection-Mickey Mouse is a cartoon. Elvis is not a cartoon character-he should not be treated as such on any level. Thats another concern of some.

EP75

02-09-2008, 06:13 PM

Just for fun-what special exhibits and new attractions would you like to see added at Graceland in the near future as part of the newly planned museum and Visitor's Center? My wish list would be:

*The Family Man - focusing on EP as a father, a husband, and a son.

*The Boy Named Elvis - an exhibit focusing on his childhood growing up in Tupelo to his adolescence as a teenager in Memphis.

*Elvis & Ali - highlighting his publicized friendship with the champ and their admiration for each other.

*Rags To Riches - focusing on his generosity and donation organizations to his humble upbringing,

*Birth Of A Revolution - focusing on his place in American history and pop culture as a milestone ground breaker.

*The Hollywood Years - a hi-tech exhibit focusing on his legendary movie career with modern day technology and detail. Maybe displayed in a wax figure format.

*The Concert Years - a hi-tech exhibit focusing on the 1970's tours in an unique fashion with illuminated lighting and flamboyant special effects to fit in with the flashy image that EP had with his show.

*A Hi-Tech Digital Movie Theater - showing the popular mainstream films and concert films and documentaries daily in 7.1 surround sound and HD.

*A memorial statue - honoring him for being an American soldier.

*A Life Size statue - honoring him for his legendary status.

Anyone else have any special exhibit ideas that they would like to see come to realization? (y)

goodelvisgirl

02-09-2008, 06:35 PM

well i think your new ideas sound great

EP75

02-09-2008, 06:39 PM

I saw this on the Memphis Commercial Appeal online from a couple weeks ago and it has some new and interesting information. It sounds as if the residents are getting anxious and want some information from the source, EPE.

Apartment deal adds to EPE acreage around Graceland
Plans for area remain in refinement stage
By Amos Maki (Contact)
Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc., which is preparing for a $250 million overhaul of Graceland and the surrounding area, has bought another apartment community near Elvis Presley's former mansion in Whitehaven.

EPE bought the Craft Manor apartments at 1032 Craft from Michael E. Reed for $1.575 million, but the company is remaining tight-lipped about future development of the area.

"EPE Inc. continues to plan for future redevelopment of the area surrounding Elvis Presley's Graceland mansion, a National Historic Landmark," said Kevin Kern, media relations manager for EPE.

EPE officials aren't saying much publicly, but they -- and officials with parent company CKX, Inc. -- continue to refine their plans for the Graceland area and have been in contact with the administrations of Memphis Mayor Willie Herenton and Shelby County Mayor A C Wharton, as recently as last week.

Memphis City Councilman Myron Lowery, whose district includes Whitehaven and surrounding neighborhoods, said a little more conversation from EPE officials would be a good thing.

"The community wants to know more, and I told (EPE chief executive officer Jack Soden ) that several months ago and he said that would be forthcoming," Lowery said.

"At some point they have to make their plans public and ask for community support and ask for government support," he said. "The community is concerned, and rightfully so. On a project of this magnitude, because it's so important to the future growth and development of that area, more information should be known."

Robert Lipscomb, director of the city's Division of Housing and Community Development and city point man on most large redevelopment projects, said he has remained in touch with EPE officials.

"It's moving forward, and we're excited about it because any time you get that kind of investment, particularly in that area, it's a good thing," Lipscomb said.

As Robert F.X. Sillerman, the chairman and CEO of CKX, who acquired an 85 percent stake in EPE in 2005, works on plans to transform Graceland, EPE and its affiliates own or control more than 105 acres around the mansion, an area larger than the Memphis Zoo.

Since January 2006, EPE companies have spent at least $13.4 million acquiring property, according to Shelby County Register Tom Leatherwood's office.

Revamping Graceland will include razing the cramped visitor center -- located in a former strip mall across the street from the white-columned mansion -- and replacing it with a facility seven times the size of the mansion.

The Tennessee legislature approved a bill last spring that authorizes the creation of a tourism development zone (TDZ) there, which will allow some local taxes collected within its boundaries to be used to help finance the project. The City Council supported the creation of the TDZ in November.

Sillerman also plans to build new hotels, improve the public spaces around Graceland and create more convention and exhibition space to showcase the King's memorabilia.

Sillerman serves as chairman and CEO of FX Real Estate and Entertainment Inc., an entertainment-oriented real estate development company that plans to pursue real estate and entertainment-based projects around the globe.

FXRE has licensed from EPE the right to use Elvis Presley in the development of its real estate and entertainment projects and will "play a major role" in the redevelopment of the Graceland area, according to company filings.

The existing 128-room Heartbreak Hotel will be razed and replaced by a much larger convention hotel on the mansion side of Elvis Presley Boulevard.

The side of the street that is currently home to the visitor center and Heartbreak Hotel would see "more hotels, more entertainment, food and beverage, retail, kind of a village," Soden said in previous interviews.

"What I've heard through the media, and not from them, has been great," said Lowery.

Sillerman and Graceland officials have been working on the transformation plan for over a year.

CKX was seeking a "mutual cooperation agreement" with local government for highway and utility improvements and renovation help for other businesses in the area, particularly along Elvis Presley Boulevard, the commercial strip that slices through Whitehaven's middle- and upper-middle-class neighborhoods.

-- Amos Maki: 529-2351

Revamping Graceland

Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc. bought Craft Manor apartments, at 1032 Craft Road, from Michael E. Reed.

Price: $1.575 million

Location: Across from the mansion and near the existing visitor center

Project: EPE and Robert F.X. Sillerman are planning a major overhaul of Graceland and the area surrounding the mansion.

Estimated cost: $250 million

What to expect: Revitalizing Graceland will include razing the existing visitor center and replacing it with a much larger facility. Sillerman also plans to build new hotels, improve the public spaces around Graceland and create more convention and exhibition space to showcase the King's memorabilia.

EP75

02-09-2008, 06:43 PM

Thank you!!!:clap::clap::clap: See I didn't mention a Mickey Mouse with a white jumpsuit on or an EP statue with big mouse ears.:lol: I personally want the best for EP so that a new generation will see what I grew up admiring.:D

utmom2008

02-09-2008, 07:21 PM

The people who use to make all EPE decisions including Priscilla and Lisa are in the minority.

I am beginning to think that the "Elvis angle in the plans is secondary to what it will do for the area to some." That is where some are concerned.
As far as the Disney connection-Mickey Mouse is a cartoon. Elvis is not a cartoon character-he should not be treated as such on any level. Thats another concern of some.

You are correct KPM...that is the concern that everyone has. As I mentioned earlier, don't put Elvis in the same sentence as hot dogs, cotton candy and Mickey Mouse. If people are sincerely interested in Elvis...they will come to Graceland. That has always been the draw and will continue to be the draw. All this talk of wax figures and special effects is just nonsense. I am about to come around to thinking "I will believe it when I see it". If it never happens...then that is fine by me. I would guess that the prices Sillerman will hang on everybody will leave a vast majority of fans out in the cold. How sad if this whole thing blows up in his face........

EP75

02-09-2008, 07:57 PM

I am about to come around to thinking "I will believe it when I see it". If it never happens...then that is fine by me. I would guess that the prices Sillerman will hang on everybody will leave a vast majority of fans out in the cold. How sad if this whole thing blows up in his face........

By the story above your post it's pretty much an indication that this is closer to happening than we realize. I can understand your concern. However all we have to do is look at the demographics that are going to Graceland the most and they are not EP's generation but a younger audience from 35 and younger. Believe it or not but Lisa Marie herself is in the minority of age groups visiting Graceland today. It's not grandmas and grandpas paying their salaries as much as it is the MTV generation. But Now with the fact that the majority of those visitors are young adults it makes perfect sense as to why EPE would upgrade and expand to rival Disney, Universal, and other theme parks and museums worldwide. While it's about the $$$ it still keeps EP in the spotlight and his legacy going strong into generations to come. Isn't that what is important? that EP lives? Let's face it, EP became a commodity while he was alive. It was what led him to self destruct because he couldn't stay on top like did in the past. Just like Britney and Whitney Houston and others who have had to deal with downfall in their life and publicized career.

Mark Jacobs was right when he said some people go to Graceland based on it's popularity. Face it-Graceland is a national tourist attraction and destination. The general public sees it that way and not as it being his home. If that were the case then Tupelo would rival Memphis and Graceland in tourism. But they are nowhere near 600,00 or more per year as Graceland is. Speaking of Tupelo, they too have built tourist attractions and parks around his birthplace to attract more visitors. But I don't hear the fans boycotting that move?:hmm:

Back to topic-I know when I went to Graceland there weren't any crazy die-hards wearing EP t-shirts or fake lamb chop sideburns on sunglasses or dressed like him. It was everyday normal people. And that was back in 1995. I can only imagine how much the attitude has changed from fanatics to curious and causal visitors today. Believe it or not but a lot of visitors to Graceland aren't even fans but grow to respect him and his music after visiting.

presley31

02-09-2008, 08:10 PM

rocknroll

02-09-2008, 08:12 PM

The MTV generation are in their 40's now.

EP75

02-09-2008, 08:30 PM

The MTV generation are in their 40's now.

No the MTV generation is THIS generation. I don't see too many shows aimed at 40 something year olds on MTV do you?:lmfao:

EP75

02-09-2008, 08:37 PM

I have to disgree there, l wouldn't want to go to memphis if it wasn't where elvis lived and spent his life. His home is the biggest reason for me wanting to visit(y)

But you are a fan just like the rest here and it makes sense for you and everyone else to want to go there to be as close to his spirit as possible. But what about all of the other visitors who don't even own an EP CD or DVD or who weren't even born yet when he died? That's what a lot of the long time fans are forgetting is that it's not their age groups making up the mass majority of the visitors anymore. It's kind of like seeing an aging NBA player trying to stay youthful and can't accept that he's too old to play with the younger stars anymore. It's hard for him to let go and accept that the game has passed him by. That's how I see the fans reacting to these wonderful plans for expansion.

Bob Sillerman has stated many times that he considers himself the biggest EP fan in the world! I don't think he would do anything to endanger or to jeopardize his long term financial investment. He's invested way too much to let this fall apart and backfire in his face.

Getlo

02-09-2008, 08:44 PM

*A memorial statue - honoring him for being an American soldier.

No way. There are hundreds of thousands of American men and women who were soldiers - Elvis was no better or worse than any of them. He served his country well, of course, but he was not outstanding. He was one of thousands of draftees. An exhibit about his army days would be fine, but not a statue. Elvis would be the first one to say No to this idea.

*A Life Size statue - honoring him for his legendary status.

Again, no. There is already a statue in Tupelo, Memphis and Vegas, the three most important cities in his life. To erect one at Graceland itself would be self-serving.

Unchained Melody

02-09-2008, 08:45 PM

Getlo

02-09-2008, 09:00 PM

I don't think Lisa Marie would stand for that kind of stuff..like hotdogs, cotton candy etc.

You're kidding, right?

Have you seen some of the crap for sale opposite Graceland?

Jungleroom76

02-09-2008, 09:08 PM

*Birth Of A Revolution - focusing on his place in American history and pop culture as a milestone ground breaker.

Now this would be a VERY GOOD idea....something that has been done in bits and pieces over the years, but an entire exhibit devoted exclusively to his status in American History would be excellent!!!

*The Concert Years - a hi-tech exhibit focusing on the 1970's tours in an unique fashion with illuminated lighting and flamboyant special effects to fit in with the flashy image that EP had with his show.

Well, being a concert fan myself, I have to agree on this one!! And keeping with this theme, maybe part of the concert years exhibit could be keeping all of the jumpsuits on display permanently!! I know they said the current "All Access" exhibit was going to be on display for a couple of years, but hopefully with all of the expansions that are in the works, they will consider the positive feedback from the current jumpsuit exhibit and work a permanent (and even larger) one into the plans! (y)

*A Hi-Tech Digital Movie Theater - showing the popular mainstream films and concert films and documentaries daily in 7.1 surround sound and HD.

Again, another brilliant idea!! Being a "youngster" (almost 36), I wasn't around back when Elvis' films were on the silver screen! Needless to say, I was THRILLED when I was able to see my very first Elvis movie -- THAT'S THE WAY IT IS SPECIAL EDITION -- on the big screen back at the premiere in 2000!! I think being able to sit back and watch an Elvis movie the way lots of fans did, in a movie theatre, would give the fans a whole different perspective on Elvis' movies!!

I think this idea was given somewhere before, but moving the planes into a building (similar in concept to the car museum) would be a good idea!

Perhaps some kind of an exhibit focusing on Elvis in the recording studio would be an idea as well?? Being able to see how Elvis worked in the recording studio, creating some of his masterpieces would definitely interest me!! :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

Unchained Melody

02-09-2008, 09:10 PM

Well, being a concert fan myself, I have to agree on this one!! And keeping with this theme, maybe part of the concert years exhibit could be keeping all of the jumpsuits on display permanently!! I know they said the current "All Access" exhibit was going to be on display for a couple of years, but hopefully with all of the expansions that are in the works, they will consider the positive feedback from the current jumpsuit exhibit and work a permanent (and even larger) one into the plans! (y)

Now this I would love to see also.(y)(y)

To have all of the jumpsuites on permanent display would be way cool.;)

Unchained Melody

02-09-2008, 09:44 PM

Just picked up a copy of Jerry Schilling's book FINALLY!!! :blush:

(Actually, Amazon.com has them on sale right now -- the hardcover edition is only $6.99 plus shipping!!)

I'm about halfway through the book now and it is VERY GOOD, as you said it would be Rosanne!!! (See, I got your name right this time!!) ;)

It moves along very well, and is told in a very straightforward way, just as I would expect from Jerry!

Thanks again for the recommendation!! (y)

TCB!
Mike

It is a great book indeed Mike. Read it twice and love it. Was like going back in time when Jerry talked about meeting Elvis for the first time and looking forward to playing football every Saturday with him and the guys at the park.

Luckily I have a signed copy!:D:D

Unchained Melody

02-09-2008, 09:45 PM

As for Sillerman's statements. I look forward to seeing what happens as his plans progress. And really curious as to what unheard music we have still yet to hear!:hmm:

EP75

02-09-2008, 10:17 PM

Now this would be a VERY GOOD idea....something that has been done in bits and pieces over the years, but an entire exhibit devoted exclusively to his status in American History would be excellent!!!

Yes an entire exhibit well detailed is much needed the most if you ask me since EP is always shorthanded when it comes to who actually started the revolution.

Well, being a concert fan myself, I have to agree on this one!! And keeping with this theme, maybe part of the concert years exhibit could be keeping all of the jumpsuits on display permanently!! I know they said the current "All Access" exhibit was going to be on display for a couple of years, but hopefully with all of the expansions that are in the works, they will consider the positive feedback from the current jumpsuit exhibit and work a permanent (and even larger) one into the plans! (y)

I would like to see each jumpsuit in a separate glass display case individually spaced out so that you can walk all the way around and get to view every angle without missing a rhinestone.:D

Again, another brilliant idea!! Being a "youngster" (almost 36), I wasn't around back when Elvis' films were on the silver screen! Needless to say, I was THRILLED when I was able to see my very first Elvis movie -- THAT'S THE WAY IT IS SPECIAL EDITION -- on the big screen back at the premiere in 2000!! I think being able to sit back and watch an Elvis movie the way lots of fans did, in a movie theatre, would give the fans a whole different perspective on Elvis' movies!!

I would be shocked if a hi-tech theater of some type is not included. Keeping my fingers crossed on this.(y)

I think this idea was given somewhere before, but moving the planes into a building (similar in concept to the car museum) would be a good idea!

I'm sure again that the planes will either have their own building to be displayed in or placed inside the new visitor's center. The new center will be 80,000 square feet. That we do know. So it will be by far big enough to house the planes, a theater and much more.

Perhaps some kind of an exhibit focusing on Elvis in the recording studio would be an idea as well?? Being able to see how Elvis worked in the recording studio, creating some of his masterpieces would definitely interest me!! :hmm:

I like this idea also. Maybe do a recreation model of the legendary American Sound Studio and RCA Studio of Nashville.(y)

EP75

02-09-2008, 10:24 PM

I look forward to seeing what Sillerman does. I hope they don't take it to the extreme just as you all do. I don't think Lisa Marie would stand for that kind of stuff..like hotdogs, cotton candy etc..but its going to be interesting to watch what unfolds in the future.

I think we will all be blown away when the renderings are finally released and it will shut some up who have been jumping to conclusions.(y)

Frankieg

02-09-2008, 10:32 PM

No the MTV generation is THIS generation. I don't see too many shows aimed at 40 something year olds on MTV do you?:lmfao:

You must be kidding, I hope ...

The original Mtv generation is the kids who grew up in the 80's and are now in their 40's.

Mtv now, in it's current state, is a pathetic waste of time and I would hope that noone in their right mind in the age bracket of 40 and so on would dare tune into the garbage that is broadcast on that station.

Frankieg

02-09-2008, 10:34 PM

... it will shut some up who have been jumping to conclusions.(y)

Ironic statement if I've read one coming from this board member.

Could it be possible that he could take his own advice ?

EP75

02-09-2008, 10:40 PM

You must be kidding, I hope ...

The original Mtv generation is the kids who grew up in the 80's and are now in their 40's.

Mtv now, in it's current state, is a pathetic waste of time and I would hope that noone in their right mind in the age bracket of 40 and so on would dare tune into the garbage that is broadcast on that station.

That's funny. I could have swore I saw P Diddy's Making the Band 4 on MTV and America's Next Top Model marathon the other day. I haven't seen a Michael Jackson or Prince video on MTV in years.:lmfao:

EP75

02-09-2008, 10:45 PM

You're kidding, right?

Have you seen some of the crap for sale opposite Graceland?

That's not half as bad as to what the Colonel did with EP's image.:whistling

Unchained Melody

02-09-2008, 11:47 PM

That's not half as bad as to what the Colonel did with EP's image.:whistling
I'll have to agree with that.
Especially during the "Hollywood" years in the 60's with those movies:doh:

my boy

02-10-2008, 02:50 AM

Really it's all about the music! Let's have some unreleased songs on the FTD label,new upgrades of classic albums [Elvis's gospel albums re-issued in March]and here's hoping for some real surprises which I can only guess at – star jam sessions:

Elvis & Tom Jones;Elvis singing "I Will Always Love You" [Dolly Parton],and Feelings;soul classics by Otis Redding;soul classics by Wilson Picket;jamming with Jackie Wilson in the early 70s;songs with Sammy Davis jr;and jam sessions with Bob Dylan.

Finally.these are all dream release but they are the sort of releases I'm looking forward to, not so much the Graceland expansion– but real fans dream music releases because really– it's all about the music!

rocknroll

02-10-2008, 05:42 AM

No the MTV generation is THIS generation. I don't see too many shows aimed at 40 something year olds on MTV do you?:lmfao:

You can't have it both ways but you always try. I saw Elvis on American Idol, so by your logic the Elvis generation is now.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::

rocknroll

02-10-2008, 05:48 AM

That's funny. I could have swore I saw P Diddy's Making the Band 4 on MTV and America's Next Top Model marathon the other day. I haven't seen a Michael Jackson or Prince video on MTV in years.:lmfao:

Maybe that is the root of all your problems and issues, Jay, you watch too much MTV.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I haven't watched MTV since the early '80's, when it was part of MY GENERATION.

rocknroll

02-10-2008, 05:51 AM

Yes an entire exhibit well detailed is much needed the most if you ask me since EP is always shorthanded when it comes to who actually started the revolution.

I would like to see each jumpsuit in a separate glass display case individually spaced out so that you can walk all the way around and get to view every angle without missing a rhinestone.:D

I would be shocked if a hi-tech theater of some type is not included. Keeping my fingers crossed on this.(y)

I'm sure again that the planes will either have their own building to be displayed in or placed inside the new visitor's center. The new center will be 80,000 square feet. That we do know. So it will be by far big enough to house the planes, a theater and much more.

I like this idea also. Maybe do a recreation model of the legendary American Sound Studio and RCA Studio of Nashville.(y)

Wow!!! You should work for "FXS". Whoever that is.:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Lisarose

02-10-2008, 06:40 AM

Good ideas and good input. As for the Boy Elvis, I'd like to see more of the Shake Rag influence as well and his influences from his church and the Baptist church he & friends would visit.
Just my opinion, but I'd love an IMaX theater for documentaries, concerts and movies.

Jungleroom76

02-10-2008, 09:12 AM

I would like to see each jumpsuit in a separate glass display case individually spaced out so that you can walk all the way around and get to view every angle without missing a rhinestone.:D

Now THAT would be the ultimate jumpsuit display!!

I'm sure again that the planes will either have their own building to be displayed in or placed inside the new visitor's center. The new center will be 80,000 square feet. That we do know. So it will be by far big enough to house the planes, a theater and much more.

I would think some kind of separate building, similiar in concept to the car museum, would be the way to go. I'm not sure having the Lisa Marie in the middle of the visitors center would look right... :hmm:

I like this idea also. Maybe do a recreation model of the legendary American Sound Studio and RCA Studio of Nashville.(y)

Thanks EP75!! Fans could walk into the "studio" and really get a glimpse of what it looked like in there when Elvis was working....where the musicians were, how the sound engineers recorded the session, etc. Give the fans a true picture of an Elvis recording session!! I think, if done the right way, it would give fans a new appreciation of the work that Elvis put into his music!!

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 10:34 AM

Just my opinion, but I'd love an IMaX theater for documentaries, concerts and movies.

I go for that......that would be great! :wiggle:

EP75

02-10-2008, 10:37 AM

I would think some kind of separate building, similiar in concept to the car museum, would be the way to go. I'm not sure having the Lisa Marie in the middle of the visitors center would look right... :hmm:

I guess it all depends on how much money Bob Sillerman plans to invest in the EP Visitor's Center and museums aspect of the plans. I agree though that a facility solely for the planes would be ideal. I would like to see multiple facilities built that would display different themes such as a bigger and better car museum. A larger than life Elvis Museum for artifacts and memorabilia. A new facility for the planes. And maybe a facility to house a wax exhibit to document his Hollywood career or his life story. I would like to see it all set in a park-like setting where each facility has it's own area of space and beautiful landscaping leading up to each attraction. Also I would like to see a large plaza area for resting with steel benches, pavilion, eatery and a water fountain in the middle like in a public park. This would be classy and elegant and the King deserves this much attention.

I know this won't be too popular with some here but I think some type of EP themed Kids World should be planned for the children to introduce them to EP through their liking. Maybe this is where Disney comes in? Maybe they could do an animated EP for the kids. Maybe have a new Scatter brought to Graceland and let him have his won attraction for the kids. Maybe have a small petting zoo where peacocks and rabbits and geese roam the area OFF of the original grounds. Children love animals and Priscilla did say that they want to make it more fun for the kids who come there. So maybe this is in the plans?

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 10:42 AM

Maybe have a new Scatter brought to Graceland and let him have his won attraction for the kids.

A new Scatter? Will they teach this one to look up little girl's dresses the same way that old Scatter looked up big girl's dresses??;):lol:

EP75

02-10-2008, 10:56 AM

Just my opinion, but I'd love an IMaX theater for documentaries, concerts and movies.

I used to think an IMAX theater would be the ideal way to go. But the future is digital screen theaters at 52 feet wide with stadium seating. The average old projector screens are about 26 feet wide. I would rather see a state of the art digital theater with 7.1 surround sound and in HD format.(y)

Jungleroom76

02-10-2008, 10:56 AM

WOW EP75!!!! :supriced:

You certainly haven't given this any thought, have you?? ;)

I love all of your ideas!! The whole public park idea in the center would be a GREAT thing!! Just imagine standing in the middle of the park and as you look all around you, there are the various buildings with the different exhibits housed in them surrounding the park! VERY COOL!!! (y)

And as for the "Disney" concept, I don't know if that is such a bad idea. Certainly not on the scale of the actual Disney World, of course, but something much more scaled down and interactive for the younger fans to learn about Elvis while having fun...what could possibly be better than that?? I know several people on here have had a negative reaction to the idea of the "Disney-fication" of Graceland, and we're certainly not talking about opening Magic Mountain 2 or anything, but something to keep the younger fans busy and excited is certainly something that should be built into the plans for the upcoming renovations!!

TCB!
Mike

EP75

02-10-2008, 10:59 AM

A new Scatter? Will they teach this one to look up little girl's dresses the same way that old Scatter looked up big girl's dresses??;):lol:

Why do some have to try to ruin threads? I just made it a suggestion. And I was going by what Priscilla ehrself said during EP Wek 2007 about making it fun for the kids. And why is it that some come on these threads just to attack others opinions? Isn't that against the rules?:hmm:

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 11:03 AM

Why do some have to try to ruin threads? I just made it a suggestion. And I was going by what Priscilla ehrself said during EP Wek 2007 about making it fun for the kids. And why is it that some come on these threads just to attack others opinions? Isn't that against the rules?:hmm:
I wasn't trying to ruin anything...I just found that funny. I can't ever think of Scatter without thinking about all the stunts the guys taught him to do. Lighten up......a little humor never hurt anyone.

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:03 AM

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:05 AM

I wasn't trying to ruin anything...I just found that funny. I can't ever think of Scatter without thinking about all the stunts the guys taught him to do. Lighten up......a little humor never hurt anyone.

OK then I apologize. I thought you were knocking the idea. I see so much of that around here. I do know what you mean about his wild antics. But after all he was a monkey so you can't really blame him for his "animal instincts".:lol:

Jungleroom76

02-10-2008, 11:05 AM

Why do some have to try to ruin threads? I just made it a suggestion. And I was going by what Priscilla ehrself said during EP Wek 2007 about making it fun for the kids. And why is it that some come on these threads just to attack others opinions? Isn't that against the rules?:hmm:

I don't think it was meant to ruin the thread EP75....just a little bit of humor to keep the mood light around here I suspect!! ;)

TCB!
Mike

Jungleroom76

02-10-2008, 11:11 AM

I have had two years to think this over. LOL Seriously though you and I see eye to eye on this.(y) I'm sure some would still call it a "theme park" as the media has. But hey I would take that as a theme park any day of the year over an actual theme park with roller coasters and thrill rides.(y)

ABSOLUTELY!!! (y)

It's about time that serious discussion is taking place...and action is being taken...to upgrade the entire area surrounding Graceland to make it THE PREMIERE DESTINATION that it needs to be as we move forward over the next few decades!! Everyone needs to remember that the people that worked with Elvis sadly won't be around forever to attract the fans for Elvis Week, so something needs to be done to move forward to keep things fresh and exciting for fans!! Plus, there are fans from far away places in the world that have already been to Graceland, and if nothing is ever done to upgrade the area, those fans won't have any reason to ever consider making another trip to come back to Graceland and Memphis.

I'm with you though EP75...I certainly don't want (or expect) to come cruising down EP Blvd. and see roller coasters and ferris wheels all around the mansion. I am sure that the whole thing, while perhaps taking on some of the flavor of a theme park, will be tastefully done. At least I hope it will... :blink:

The main thing that EPE has to do with this project is simply keep Elvis and Graceland as THE MAIN ATTRACTION and keep everything else as an additional way to tell the Elvis Presley story.

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 11:16 AM

I do know what you mean about his wild antics. But after all he was a monkey so you can't really blame him for his "animal instincts".:lol:

True......I wonder if it was a case of "monkey see-monkey do"?:lol:;)

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:19 AM

I'll have to agree with that.
Especially during the "Hollywood" years in the 60's with those movies:doh:

It wasn't just the 60's but the 70's too. The Colonel had the Hilton lobby decorated like a carnavel with teady bears and posters all over the place.

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:30 AM

ABSOLUTELY!!! (y)

It's about time that serious discussion is taking place...and action is being taken...to upgrade the entire area surrounding Graceland to make it THE PREMIERE DESTINATION that it needs to be as we move forward over the next few decades!! Everyone needs to remember that the people that worked with Elvis sadly won't be around forever to attract the fans for Elvis Week, so something needs to be done to move forward to keep things fresh and exciting for fans!! Plus, there are fans from far away places in the world that have already been to Graceland, and if nothing is ever done to upgrade the area, those fans won't have any reason to ever consider making another trip to come back to Graceland and Memphis.

I'm with you though EP75...I certainly don't want (or expect) to come cruising down EP Blvd. and see roller coasters and ferris wheels all around the mansion. I am sure that the whole thing, while perhaps taking on some of the flavor of a theme park, will be tastefully done. At least I hope it will... :blink:

The main thing that EPE has to do with this project is simply keep Elvis and Graceland as THE MAIN ATTRACTION and keep everything else as an additional way to tell the Elvis Presley story.

TCB!
Mike

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EP75

02-10-2008, 11:31 AM

True......I wonder if it was a case of "monkey see-monkey do"?:lol:;)

Now we know why EP sang Too Much Monkey Business.;)

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 11:32 AM

The Colonel had the Hilton lobby decorated like a carnavel with teady bears and posters all over the place.

Yes, that is true, but you had to have been there to feel what that was like. That may sound corny, and it may have looked corny, but it was actually pretty cool. I think Gail will agree with me on this, but when you walked through the front doors of the Hilton you felt as though you were in "Elvisworld." In the summer of 72 he opened on Aug. 4th, but we checked in on the 3rd. The Hilton was very calm and quiet. We went down for breakfast on the morning of the 4th and the atmosphere was completely different. You knew that the "Elvis Summer Festival" had begun, and there was not a better feeling to be had.:notworthy

jak

02-10-2008, 11:33 AM

It wasn't just the 60's but the 70's too. The Colonel had the Hilton lobby decorated like a carnavel with teady bears and posters all over the place.

Yeah but that was cool.The man was in town.That was a big deal.

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:35 AM

Sounds inetresting. I wished I was aware of who he was back then to have really appreciated him. I was at his Huntsville show in June 1975 but I was just a baby then, only 3. So it's difficult for me to remember it all.

Unchained Melody

02-10-2008, 11:47 AM

Really it's all about the music! Let's have some unreleased songs on the FTD label,new upgrades of classic albums [Elvis's gospel albums re-issued in March]and here's hoping for some real surprises which I can only guess at – star jam sessions:

Completely agree with the above statement my friend!!(y)(y)

The music is way be are all here, and that's what the focus should focus on. New, unreleased material!!:notworthy:notworthy

TCB!Brad

EP75

02-10-2008, 11:48 AM

ABSOLUTELY!!! (y)

It's about time that serious discussion is taking place...and action is being taken...to upgrade the entire area surrounding Graceland to make it THE PREMIERE DESTINATION that it needs to be as we move forward over the next few decades!! Everyone needs to remember that the people that worked with Elvis sadly won't be around forever to attract the fans for Elvis Week, so something needs to be done to move forward to keep things fresh and exciting for fans!! Plus, there are fans from far away places in the world that have already been to Graceland, and if nothing is ever done to upgrade the area, those fans won't have any reason to ever consider making another trip to come back to Graceland and Memphis.

TCB!
Mike

I think once the band-mates and older fans are gone the way to go with Elvis Week would be an Elvis Music Festival during each August in the Graceland area. Have local and national bands and acts to perform the King's music and make it fun and entertaining for all including non fans who would come just to hear the music and would discover EP's at the same time. Make it a 3 day event with worldwide coverage. Maybe make it for a TV network. This would replace the well known EP Week as we have known it for years.

An Elvis Music Festival would also draw in more visitors to Graceland and bring in more money than the past EP Weeks have.

Jungleroom76

02-10-2008, 11:55 AM

Interesting idea... :hmm:

They're definitely going to have to come up with something to fill in the gaps when the people associated with Elvis start not being able to attend the Elvis Week festivities anymore...

Which might be why EPE has suddenly started sanctioning the Tribute Artist shows during Elvis Week?? :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

KPM

02-10-2008, 12:15 PM

Yeah but that was cool.The man was in town.That was a big deal.
I read that all the hotels-not just where Elvis was performing, would do better business just because he was in Vegas.

Diane

02-10-2008, 12:23 PM

I'm sure Elvis brought a lot of business in to the city when he was playing Las Vegas. They probably couldn't wait for him to start his stint there.:) Other cities too when he came to town.

Diane

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 12:40 PM

I read that all the hotels-not just where Elvis was performing, would do better business just because he was in Vegas.
Yes, that's exactly what the cab driver told us that picked us up at the airport. He said that the entire city took on a different atmosphere, he said there was an electricity to the town that was different than the other times of the year and that everyone was glad to see him come because the money would flow. The first year that we were there we got a cab at the airport and got in and Daddy said "The International please", and the cabbie looked in the rearview mirror at me and said "and I bet I know why you are headed there"!! He went on to ask us if this was our first time, which it was, so he really began to talk about the difference in the city when Elvis was there. It really makes me melancholy to think back on those times...they were good ones, that's for sure.

KPM

02-10-2008, 12:45 PM

By the story above your post it's pretty much an indication that this is closer to happening than we realize. I can understand your concern. However all we have to do is look at the demographics that are going to Graceland the most and they are not EP's generation but a younger audience from 35 and younger. Believe it or not but Lisa Marie herself is in the minority of age groups visiting Graceland today. It's not grandmas and grandpas paying their salaries as much as it is the MTV generation. But Now with the fact that the majority of those visitors are young adults it makes perfect sense as to why EPE would upgrade and expand to rival Disney, Universal, and other theme parks and museums worldwide. While it's about the $$$ it still keeps EP in the spotlight and his legacy going strong into generations to come. Isn't that what is important? that EP lives? Let's face it, EP became a commodity while he was alive. It was what led him to self destruct because he couldn't stay on top like did in the past. Just like Britney and Whitney Houston and others who have had to deal with downfall in their life and publicized career.

Mark Jacobs was right when he said some people go to Graceland based on it's popularity. Face it-Graceland is a national tourist attraction and destination. The general public sees it that way and not as it being his home. If that were the case then Tupelo would rival Memphis and Graceland in tourism. But they are nowhere near 600,00 or more per year as Graceland is. Speaking of Tupelo, they too have built tourist attractions and parks around his birthplace to attract more visitors. But I don't hear the fans boycotting that move?:hmm:

Back to topic-I know when I went to Graceland there weren't any crazy die-hards wearing EP t-shirts or fake lamb chop sideburns on sunglasses or dressed like him. It was everyday normal people. And that was back in 1995. I can only imagine how much the attitude has changed from fanatics to curious and causal visitors today. Believe it or not but a lot of visitors to Graceland aren't even fans but grow to respect him and his music after visiting.
If I may enter an opinion-the word "demographics" is such a cold term and therein lies the problem. You seem more concerned with numbers than legacy. If there is not a meeting in the middle on this 250 million developement-something is going to be lost in all this hullabuloo. IMO The only reason we are even having this discussion is because "Elvis lived in Memphis." I will say this again BIGGER does not always translate-BETTER.
You say visiting Graceland causes some to respect him and his music.
I did not like Dean Martin nor Frank Sinatra as a teenager-now I own albums by each and enjoy listening to them-It did not take a trip to their fabulous homes to change my opinion. I actually on my own realized they were talented people-who had great styles and voices.
The more info I hear on this whole thing-the more you are convincing me of how little "the home & heart of Elvis" is being considered as such in the total equation. "Demographics" is a word that I have to admit I despise because it is so cold and impersonal. I am from the baby boomer generation-we are a huge "Demographic target" the largest generation of Americans ever. I am not old enough to have been a teen in the 50s-but I was in the 60s and if they turn off my generation that is a huge number to offend. (Most of us do not plan on dying for another 20-25 years so our dollars will still get spent somewhere:D) I am not against expansion, nor updates, nor remixes etc...But I am against anything which pushes the center of all that is happening(Elvis) into the foreground. The more I hear of the word demographics-in connection to this expansion- the more I see change for the bad. Change which cuts out "Elvis the center of this expansion" in exchange for better demographic attraction. Does anyone else see how wrong this could be.

One final thought as an Elvis fan for 45 years I can say the core fans have always been "normal people" many of the young 25-35 year olds who are visiting Graceland today were given their appreciation for him by hearing the records in their homes played by we parents. It did not take state of the art electronics in a huge flashy setting to accomplish that.

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 12:48 PM

The Colonel had the Hilton lobby decorated like a carnavel with teady bears and posters all over the place.

He also had the outside of the hotel decorated as well. I have some great pictures made in the front of the Hilton from 08/06/73. There were these HUGE murals that had a blue/purple background, Elvis had on a red jumpsuit, and the caption was ELVIS NOW. I have pictures of myself leaning against his black Stutz that was parked out in front. I would love to post these for everybody to see...I guess it's time I invested in a scanner!:lol:

Unchained Melody

02-10-2008, 12:57 PM

I go for that......that would be great! :wiggle:

Now that would be AWESOME!!!!!:notworthy:notworthy

I've been to an Imax theatre once and the experience was very cool! Imagine watching Aloha From Hawaii, or the '68 Special on that big screen. This would be something that could work very well I think. Really wish EPE Sillerman would consider something like that. With all the land he is purchasing they would have room for it I would think.:hmm:

Again, some very good and interesting ideas here!;)(y)

TCB!Brad

Unchained Melody

02-10-2008, 01:21 PM

Yeah but that was cool.The man was in town.That was a big deal.

That's exactly the way I feel Jak.

Wouldn't be the same if there weren't nothing there, just plain walls, no Elvis memorbilia etc..plus it brought in alot of money I would imagine.

EP75

02-10-2008, 01:37 PM

If I may enter an opinion-the word "demographics" is such a cold term and therein lies the problem. You seem more concerned with numbers than legacy. If there is not a meeting in the middle on this 250 million developement-something is going to be lost in all this hullabuloo. IMO The only reason we are even having this discussion is because "Elvis lived in Memphis." I will say this again BIGGER does not always translate-BETTER.
You say visiting Graceland causes some to respect him and his music.
I did not like Dean Martin nor Frank Sinatra as a teenager-now I own albums by each and enjoy listening to them-It did not take a trip to their fabulous homes to change my opinion. I actually on my own realized they were talented people-who had great styles and voices.
The more info I hear on this whole thing-the more you are convincing me of how little "the home & heart of Elvis" is being considered as such in the total equation. "Demographics" is a word that I have to admit I despise because it is so cold and impersonal. I am from the baby boomer generation-we are a huge "Demographic target" the largest generation of Americans ever. I am not old enough to have been a teen in the 50s-but I was in the 60s and if they turn off my generation that is a huge number to offend. (Most of us do not plan on dying for another 20-25 years so our dollars will still get spent somewhere:D) I am not against expansion, nor updates, nor remixes etc...But I am against anything which pushes the center of all that is happening(Elvis) into the foreground. The more I hear of the word demographics-in connection to this expansion- the more I see change for the bad. Change which cuts out "Elvis the center of this expansion" in exchange for better demographic attraction. Does anyone else see how wrong this could be.

One final thought as an Elvis fan for 45 years I can say the core fans have always been "normal people" many of the young 25-35 year olds who are visiting Graceland today were given their appreciation for him by hearing the records in their homes played by we parents. It did not take state of the art electronics in a huge flashy setting to accomplish that.

Not to sound rude but you are misisng the whole point of the expansion and redevelopment. let me break it down like this.

1)Expanding the EP experience to reach newer and younger audiences.

2)Making EP and Graceland more commercialized and more attractive to outsiders.

3)Cleaning up the area around so that more will feel safe to go and spend more money.

4)Keeping the legacy alive and relevant for generations to come.

5)Preserving the legacy.

There's nothing being planned that has been mentioned that is going to degrade or take away from the integrity of Graceland or from EP's legacy and image. So I do not get all of the hostility from some. Maybe it's because I am not from the baby boomer generation and didn't see his films when they first came out. So I can't speak for that era. But I do know that this is not 1958. It is 2008 and times and technology has taken a major step over that period of time. There's an old saying "get with the times". And that's the problem with some complaining about the changes that I don't understand.

utmom2008

02-10-2008, 02:03 PM

If there is not a meeting in the middle on this 250 million developement-something is going to be lost in all this hullabuloo. IMO
I will say this again BIGGER does not always translate-BETTER.

I did not like Dean Martin nor Frank Sinatra as a teenager-now I own albums by each and enjoy listening to them-It did not take a trip to their fabulous homes to change my opinion. I actually on my own realized they were talented people-who had great styles and voices.

The more info I hear on this whole thing-the more you are convincing me of how little "the home & heart of Elvis" is being considered as such in the total equation. I am against anything which pushes the center of all that is happening(Elvis) into the foreground. The more I hear of the word demographics-in connection to this expansion- the more I see change for the bad. Change which cuts out "Elvis the center of this expansion" in exchange for better demographic attraction. Does anyone else see how wrong this could be.

One final thought as an Elvis fan for 45 years I can say the core fans have always been "normal people" many of the young 25-35 year olds who are visiting Graceland today were given their appreciation for him by hearing the records in their homes played by we parents. It did not take state of the art electronics in a huge flashy setting to accomplish that.

I could not agree with you more KPM...my sentiments exactly. As I have said before...this whole thing could blow up in Sillerman's face, at the expense of Elvis and his legacy. This all has the sound of something that could end up being very "cheesy".....for Elvis' sake I pray that I am wrong.:blink:

EP75

02-10-2008, 02:12 PM

I could not agree with you more KPM...my sentiments exactly. As I have said before...this whole thing could blow up in Sillerman's face, at the expense of Elvis and his legacy. This all has the sound of something that could end up being very "cheesy".....for Elvis' sake I pray that I am wrong.:blink:

What is wrong with wanting to upgrade and improve? All they are going to do is build a bigger and better visitor's center. Build a bigger and better hotel. And add in more retail and upscale restaurants for those visitors to the area. What's wrong with that? Would some of you rather see them not do anything at all to where the area eventually gets so bad that they would have to close it down for safety reasons? With the neighborhood it's in now I am actually surprised that no one has tried to break into Graceland at night.

Miss Clawdy

02-10-2008, 02:58 PM

If I may enter an opinion-the word "demographics" is such a cold term and therein lies the problem. You seem more concerned with numbers than legacy. If there is not a meeting in the middle on this 250 million developement-something is going to be lost in all this hullabuloo. IMO The only reason we are even having this discussion is because "Elvis lived in Memphis." I will say this again BIGGER does not always translate-BETTER.
You say visiting Graceland causes some to respect him and his music.
I did not like Dean Martin nor Frank Sinatra as a teenager-now I own albums by each and enjoy listening to them-It did not take a trip to their fabulous homes to change my opinion. I actually on my own realized they were talented people-who had great styles and voices.
The more info I hear on this whole thing-the more you are convincing me of how little "the home & heart of Elvis" is being considered as such in the total equation. "Demographics" is a word that I have to admit I despise because it is so cold and impersonal. I am from the baby boomer generation-we are a huge "Demographic target" the largest generation of Americans ever. I am not old enough to have been a teen in the 50s-but I was in the 60s and if they turn off my generation that is a huge number to offend. (Most of us do not plan on dying for another 20-25 years so our dollars will still get spent somewhere:D) I am not against expansion, nor updates, nor remixes etc...But I am against anything which pushes the center of all that is happening(Elvis) into the foreground. The more I hear of the word demographics-in connection to this expansion- the more I see change for the bad. Change which cuts out "Elvis the center of this expansion" in exchange for better demographic attraction. Does anyone else see how wrong this could be.

One final thought as an Elvis fan for 45 years I can say the core fans have always been "normal people" many of the young 25-35 year olds who are visiting Graceland today were given their appreciation for him by hearing the records in their homes played by we parents. It did not take state of the art electronics in a huge flashy setting to accomplish that.

Me too, I couldn't agree more with you KPM. Great post!!! (y)
You hit the nail on the head and I don't think you are missing
one single point :D. I feel the same althoug I am only a middle-aged
"young" fan ;)

Unchained Melody

02-10-2008, 04:50 PM

What is wrong with wanting to upgrade and improve? All they are going to do is build a bigger and better visitor's center. Build a bigger and better hotel. And add in more retail and upscale restaurants for those visitors to the area. What's wrong with that? Would some of you rather see them not do anything at all to where the area eventually gets so bad that they would have to close it down for safety reasons? With the neighborhood it's in now I am actually surprised that no one has tried to break into Graceland at night.

I seem to stand where you do on this topic EP75.

I see nothing wrong with having some nicer hotels, and restaurants in the surrounding areas. As last time I was there back in 2003 at Graceland the surrounding are was not impressive at all to say the least and thought it could use a huge improvement. I think alot of people are going to be shocked at how well this will be and eat their words in the end. I hope so atleast!!;)

EP75

02-10-2008, 10:19 PM

Here's a nice cineplex theater that would be a nice addition in the plans. I could see them poutting the theater inside the newly large visitor's center.(y)

http://www.cinemaworks.biz/HighAnglered.jpg

Or maybe this. It's a new technology breakthrough of curved theater screens for the optimal picture quality. This is the future of theaters.

http://www.smxscreen.com/images/IMG_5261-1.jpg

cameron

02-11-2008, 04:01 AM

1)Expanding the EP experience to reach newer and younger audiences.

2)Making EP and Graceland more commercialized and more attractive to outsiders.

3)Cleaning up the area around so that more will feel safe to go and spend more money.

4)Keeping the legacy alive and relevant for generations to come.

5)Preserving the legacy.

It is 2008 and times and technology has taken a major step over that period of time. There's an old saying "get with the times". And that's the problem with some complaining about the changes that I don't understand.

The only thing I object to in your list is "commercializing". To me, it was too commercialized when I was there in 2005 and 2006.
I realize money has to be made to keep the business end going.
It would just serve the pupose more by not having things appear so cold to the fans that want to "experience Elvis."
When they lose "the spirit of Elvis", they will have lost the purpose of the whole thing....and the money that's poured into creating "a business."

I still say; if BS is as smart a businessman as some think; then he will realize that and take any commercial ideas to Vegas and leave the "Graceland spirit" intact. ;)
Time will tell and I doubt he appreciates all the stories that's being spread.
It only hurts what he may be trying to accomplish, IMO.

TotallyInsane

02-11-2008, 04:15 AM

hgs262626

02-11-2008, 04:23 AM

i would like to see a recreation of the uopstiars! eekk! dont think i should have said that! bit contrversial!!!!!1

utmom2008

02-11-2008, 10:58 AM

Personally, you can tear down the visitors center, close down the souvenir shops, put Elvis back in the house and let me sit on the edge of the curb! People have been going to Memphis since he moved into Graceland....nobody needed all that to go to Graceland. I think Sillerman will soon be seeing changes at Graceland and he's also gonna see changes in the fans in the next few years to come!
Great post Gail!! I too remember what a thrill it was to just stand outside the gates. The day that Vester told me to just come on up and sit on the porch for awhile I thought I had died and gone to heaven! (y)

utmom2008

02-11-2008, 11:00 AM

The only thing I object to in your list is "commercializing".
When they lose "the spirit of Elvis", they will have lost the purpose of the whole thing....and the money that's poured into creating "a business."

Nothing more needs to be added to that statement..it speaks for itself!(y)(y)

KPM

02-11-2008, 12:48 PM

Not to sound rude but you are misisng the whole point of the expansion and redevelopment. let me break it down like this.

1)Expanding the EP experience to reach newer and younger audiences.

2)Making EP and Graceland more commercialized and more attractive to outsiders.

3)Cleaning up the area around so that more will feel safe to go and spend more money.

4)Keeping the legacy alive and relevant for generations to come.

5)Preserving the legacy.

There's nothing being planned that has been mentioned that is going to degrade or take away from the integrity of Graceland or from EP's legacy and image. So I do not get all of the hostility from some. Maybe it's because I am not from the baby boomer generation and didn't see his films when they first came out. So I can't speak for that era. But I do know that this is not 1958. It is 2008 and times and technology has taken a major step over that period of time. There's an old saying "get with the times". And that's the problem with some complaining about the changes that I don't understand.
The very first reason on this list should be the one you have as 5th
First off let me apologise for being a fan of 45 years-who still feels he has the right to question about anything he feels strongly and passionate about.
I will agree its not 1958-but that right is still mine as long as I am fair and polite.Theres also an old saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" I know this one is a little before your time.
Elvis Presleys talent and Charisma should be the heart and soul of any efforts of expansion. In a nutshell that is "the Golden Goose" not buildings, nor electronics, nor vast hotels.
I want Sillerman and anyone else for that matter to hear that loud and clear.
I did see all Elvis's movies when they came out, I did buy the singles and albums, I supported him for his talent and Charisma not for anything else. So fans who have supported Elvis while he was a live want to see that respected. That should be the center of any plans. Believe it or not I know what year it is;) I know the reasoning behind what is going on;) ( I do have a little knowledge of law and business)
But the more this topic is talked about-the more I want anyone involved to know that if that is not the prime number one thought in the expansion you will turn off millions of fans who still buy, the bulk of the merchandise with Elvis's name on it. Who is more likely to buy those collectors plates which sell like hotcakes-the tourist visiting a tourist attraction-or a real fan who respects his talent and feels his charisma.
I will say this again there is a fine line that Sillerman and anyone associated must navigate with their plans. No great business man wants to lose a single customer-if this is done incorrectly he may lose millions. So as a smart businessman I hope he takes to heart the feelings of we who arae the heart of Elvis's fandom (We are not all ready to kick off as soon as some might think. I'm 53 and still play tennis about once a week, take care of my acre of ground by myself and work)
Check my previous posts going back to other discussions about Sillerman, or remixes, or any thing which might bring new fans to Elvis. I have been largely for them. But the more I read on the expansion plans the more I am feeling the emphasis is not Elvis Presley-its on atmosphere to draw a certain demogaphic(or at least thats how I am perceiving the info posted). Perhaps if some would just let it happen as it happens. (Not one shovel of dirt has been turned) It may all be fine, it may all truely center around what made Elvis the biggest selling artist of all time. But this endless speculation does not promote the expansion as a good thing-instead it raises endless questions which will only be answered by seeing what actually happens. It has already taken me from seeing this as a positive thing to e-mailing EPE and Sillermans Corporation to voice concerns for exactly what I have been saying here. So you could say this on and off discussion has taken me from thinking its not a bad thing to-questioning if it is going to be done properly and with the right emphasis on what I see as whats important and respectful.

KPM

02-11-2008, 12:55 PM

I seem to stand where you do on this topic EP75.

I see nothing wrong with having some nicer hotels, and restaurants in the surrounding areas. As last time I was there back in 2003 at Graceland the surrounding are was not impressive at all to say the least and thought it could use a huge improvement. I think alot of people are going to be shocked at how well this will be and eat their words in the end. I hope so atleast!!;)
CHeck my posts in the last couple years I am not against improvements. The surroundings were not why most go to Graceland-but am not against seeing them done. I will not have any words to eat. (I will say for myself) I am only questioning what the emphasis is on. The expansion is sounding more and more like the side dishes are of more concern than the main course which makes the meal. That is my concern as a long standing fan.

utmom2008

02-11-2008, 01:21 PM

The very first reason on this list should be the one you have as 5th
First off let me apologise for being a fan of 45 years-who still feels he has the right to question about anything he feels strongly and passionate about.
I will agree its not 1958-but that right is still mine as long as I am fair and polite.Theres also an old saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" I know this one is a little before your time.
Elvis Presleys talent and Charisma should be the heart and soul of any efforts of expansion. In a nutshell that is "the Golden Goose" not buildings, nor electronics, nor vast hotels.
I want Sillerman and anyone else for that matter to hear that loud and clear.
So fans who have supported Elvis while he was a live want to see that respected. That should be the center of any plans. Believe it or not I know what year it is;) I know the reasoning behind what is going on;)
But the more this topic is talked about-the more I want anyone involved to know that if that is not the prime number one thought in the expansion you will turn off millions of fans who still buy, the bulk of the merchandise with Elvis's name on it. Who is more likely to buy those collectors plates which sell like hotcakes-the tourist visiting a tourist attraction-or a real fan who respects his talent and feels his charisma.
I will say this again there is a fine line that Sillerman and anyone associated must navigate with their plans. No great business man wants to lose a single customer-if this is done incorrectly he may lose millions. So as a smart businessman I hope he takes to heart the feelings of we who arae the heart of Elvis's fandom (We are not all ready to kick off as soon as some might think.
But the more I read on the expansion plans the more I am feeling the emphasis is not Elvis Presley-its on atmosphere to draw a certain demogaphic or at least thats how I am perceiving the info posted). Perhaps if some would just let it happen as it happens. (Not one shovel of dirt has been turned) But this endless speculation does not promote the expansion as a good thing-instead it raises endless questions which will only be answered by seeing what actually happens. It has already taken me from seeing this as a positive thing to e-mailing EPE and Sillermans Corporation to voice concerns for exactly what I have been saying here. So you could say this on and off discussion has taken me from thinking its not a bad thing to-questioning if it is going to be done properly and with the right emphasis on what I see as whats important and respectful.

Not much left to add to that KPM...............that is the best post I have read in a very very very long time!(y)(y) I can't help but wonder what the true intentions of Sillerman really are. I feel as though some like to throw around these grandiose ideas and suggestions..partly to inflame those of us that they think are ready for the nursing home, and partly due to their youth and their lack of understanding.

Jungleroom76

02-11-2008, 01:21 PM

Jungleroom76

02-11-2008, 01:23 PM

i would like to see a recreation of the uopstiars! eekk! dont think i should have said that! bit contrversial!!!!!1

Don't worry about that....a little bit of controversy makes for GREAT discussions!!! (y)

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an upstairs recreation being part of the plans. But since it is where Elvis died, and since we all know that EPE has a real problem with that whole aspect of Elvis' legacy (example: the CONTINUED refusal of EPE to sanction a legitimate release of the CBS Special), I don't see EPE actually going for this sort of thing! :mad:

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008

02-11-2008, 01:36 PM

Don't worry about that....a little bit of controversy makes for GREAT discussions!!! (y)

Mike.....you are so bad!:P:P :lol:

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with an upstairs recreation being part of the plans. But since it is where Elvis died, and since we all know that EPE has a real problem with that whole aspect of Elvis' legacy (example: the CONTINUED refusal of EPE to sanction a legitimate release of the CBS Special), I don't see EPE actually going for this sort of thing! :mad:

I think we should leave Elvis a little bit of his dignity, and therefore leave the upstairs alone. Good gosh...it amazes me at the number of people that actually want to see the spot where Elvis fell off the commode. I do realize that some just want to see the bedroom area....but there is also a disturbing amount of people that want to see the bathroom. Again......please leave the man just a shred of his dignity.:blush::blink:

Jungleroom76

02-11-2008, 01:40 PM

Mike.....you are so bad!:P:P :lol:

Thankyathankyaverymuch!!! ;)

I think we should leave Elvis a little bit of his dignity, and therefore leave the upstairs alone. Good gosh...it amazes me at the number of people that actually want to see the spot where Elvis fell off the commode. I do realize that some just want to see the bedroom area....but there is also a disturbing amount of people that want to see the bathroom. Again......please leave the man just a shred of his dignity.:blush::blink:

Well now, I didn't mean to insinuate that they would have a wax figure of Elvis lying on the floor in front of his commode... :blink: ;)

I was simply saying that it would be interesting to see what the upstairs looked like during Elvis' lifetime...but ONLY IF it is done tastefully!!

TCB!
Mike

utmom2008

02-11-2008, 01:46 PM

Well now, I didn't mean to insinuate that they would have a wax figure of Elvis lying on the floor in front of his commode... :blink: ;)

I was simply saying that it would be interesting to see what the upstairs looked like during Elvis' lifetime...but ONLY IF it is done tastefully!!

I know you are not one of the creepy ones that wants to see that! I hope I know you better than that!:lol::lol: But, you and I both know that there are enough voyeurs out there that they would be let down if "wax Elvis" were NOT lying in the floor....with his pj bottoms around his ankles.:doh:

Miss Clawdy

02-11-2008, 02:14 PM

The very first reason on this list should be the one you have as 5th
First off let me apologise for being a fan of 45 years-who still feels he has the right to question about anything he feels strongly and passionate about.
I will agree its not 1958-but that right is still mine as long as I am fair and polite.Theres also an old saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" I know this one is a little before your time.
Elvis Presleys talent and Charisma should be the heart and soul of any efforts of expansion. In a nutshell that is "the Golden Goose" not buildings, nor electronics, nor vast hotels.
I want Sillerman and anyone else for that matter to hear that loud and clear.
I did see all Elvis's movies when they came out, I did buy the singles and albums, I supported him for his talent and Charisma not for anything else. So fans who have supported Elvis while he was a live want to see that respected. That should be the center of any plans. Believe it or not I know what year it is;) I know the reasoning behind what is going on;) ( I do have a little knowledge of law and business)
But the more this topic is talked about-the more I want anyone involved to know that if that is not the prime number one thought in the expansion you will turn off millions of fans who still buy, the bulk of the merchandise with Elvis's name on it. Who is more likely to buy those collectors plates which sell like hotcakes-the tourist visiting a tourist attraction-or a real fan who respects his talent and feels his charisma.
I will say this again there is a fine line that Sillerman and anyone associated must navigate with their plans. No great business man wants to lose a single customer-if this is done incorrectly he may lose millions. So as a smart businessman I hope he takes to heart the feelings of we who arae the heart of Elvis's fandom (We are not all ready to kick off as soon as some might think. I'm 53 and still play tennis about once a week, take care of my acre of ground by myself and work)
Check my previous posts going back to other discussions about Sillerman, or remixes, or any thing which might bring new fans to Elvis. I have been largely for them. But the more I read on the expansion plans the more I am feeling the emphasis is not Elvis Presley-its on atmosphere to draw a certain demogaphic(or at least thats how I am perceiving the info posted). Perhaps if some would just let it happen as it happens. (Not one shovel of dirt has been turned) It may all be fine, it may all truely center around what made Elvis the biggest selling artist of all time. But this endless speculation does not promote the expansion as a good thing-instead it raises endless questions which will only be answered by seeing what actually happens. It has already taken me from seeing this as a positive thing to e-mailing EPE and Sillermans Corporation to voice concerns for exactly what I have been saying here. So you could say this on and off discussion has taken me from thinking its not a bad thing to-questioning if it is going to be done properly and with the right emphasis on what I see as whats important and respectful.

Great post(y)!
I had this bad feeling that Elvis just serves as a mere pretence for building
those exorbitant needless visitor attractions right from the very first post.

EP75

02-11-2008, 04:29 PM

Don't be shocked if Bob Sillerman does indeed do a replica of the upstairs in some form. He knows it is a popular curiosity by fans and even to casual visitors to see what it looks like up there. However I doubt that he would include the bathroom as it would only give critics something to use against EP.(n) But a recreated mock of his master bedroom, Lisa's room, the study, EP's office and his mother's bedroom would be ideal and a very popular attraction. I would also like to see a model of his Beverly Hills home too along with the Hilton suite in Las Vegas. They could do an entire building of replica models of his personal live. From Memphis to Hollywood.(y)

Also, if they do go with a park-like setting (or a museum park) with multiple facilities then I wouldn't mind seeing a life sized model of the Tupelo shot-gun house included as a free walk-through exhibit.(y)

And another idea. How about an illuminated TCB logo somewhere?

presley31

02-11-2008, 04:34 PM

Don't be shocked if Bob Sillerman does indeed do a replica of the upstairs in some form. He knows it is a popular curiosity by fans and even to casual visitors to see what it looks like up there. However I doubt that he would include the bathroom as it would only give critics something to use against EP.(n) But a recreated mock of his master bedroom, Lisa's room, the study, EP's office and his mother's bedroom would be ideal and a very popular attraction. I wouldalso like to see a model of his Beverly Hills home too along with the Hilton suite in Las Vegas. They could do an entire building of replica models of his personal live. From Memphis to Hollywood.(y)

Also, if they do go with a park-like setting (or a museum park) with multiple facilities then I wouldn't mind seeing a life sized model of the Tupelo shot-gun house included as a free walk-through exhibit.(y)

This seeems all to big for my liking, what happend to elvis and his memory?? If bob wants people to keep coming than he better slow himself down and think about the fans out there that wouldn't be happy with all the big amusement stuff that isn't needed.

Diane

02-11-2008, 04:37 PM

Maybe I'm easy to please but I would be happy just to be able to drive by Graceland and look at the mansion from the road. I'm all for cleaning up the neighbourhood but don't build anything that overpowers his home and make it look insignificant!!!

Diane

EP75

02-11-2008, 04:45 PM

The very first reason on this list should be the one you have as 5th
First off let me apologise for being a fan of 45 years-who still feels he has the right to question about anything he feels strongly and passionate about.
I will agree its not 1958-but that right is still mine as long as I am fair and polite.Theres also an old saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" I know this one is a little before your time.
Elvis Presleys talent and Charisma should be the heart and soul of any efforts of expansion. In a nutshell that is "the Golden Goose" not buildings, nor electronics, nor vast hotels.
I want Sillerman and anyone else for that matter to hear that loud and clear.
I did see all Elvis's movies when they came out, I did buy the singles and albums, I supported him for his talent and Charisma not for anything else. So fans who have supported Elvis while he was a live want to see that respected. That should be the center of any plans. Believe it or not I know what year it is;) I know the reasoning behind what is going on;) ( I do have a little knowledge of law and business)
But the more this topic is talked about-the more I want anyone involved to know that if that is not the prime number one thought in the expansion you will turn off millions of fans who still buy, the bulk of the merchandise with Elvis's name on it. Who is more likely to buy those collectors plates which sell like hotcakes-the tourist visiting a tourist attraction-or a real fan who respects his talent and feels his charisma.
I will say this again there is a fine line that Sillerman and anyone associated must navigate with their plans. No great business man wants to lose a single customer-if this is done incorrectly he may lose millions. So as a smart businessman I hope he takes to heart the feelings of we who arae the heart of Elvis's fandom (We are not all ready to kick off as soon as some might think. I'm 53 and still play tennis about once a week, take care of my acre of ground by myself and work)
Check my previous posts going back to other discussions about Sillerman, or remixes, or any thing which might bring new fans to Elvis. I have been largely for them. But the more I read on the expansion plans the more I am feeling the emphasis is not Elvis Presley-its on atmosphere to draw a certain demogaphic(or at least thats how I am perceiving the info posted). Perhaps if some would just let it happen as it happens. (Not one shovel of dirt has been turned) It may all be fine, it may all truely center around what made Elvis the biggest selling artist of all time. But this endless speculation does not promote the expansion as a good thing-instead it raises endless questions which will only be answered by seeing what actually happens. It has already taken me from seeing this as a positive thing to e-mailing EPE and Sillermans Corporation to voice concerns for exactly what I have been saying here. So you could say this on and off discussion has taken me from thinking its not a bad thing to-questioning if it is going to be done properly and with the right emphasis on what I see as whats important and respectful.

I can't argue with that. But I think if EPE were smart then they wouldn't be so hush-hush about the plans. That just makes them look like they are being sneaky or hiding something and making the fans even more concerned and skeptical about the whole thing. Why they won't release renderings or even comment on the actual plans is aggravating more than just the fans but the residents there in Memphis who will be affected by all of this. If they would just come out and show us what it will look like then I think everyone would have a totally different opinion about it. But the longer they wait and stall then more they are upsetting the fans. And by the article I posted from the Memphis paper is proof of that.

By the way, what did they say to you? Did they even reply?

presley31

02-11-2008, 04:47 PM

EP75

02-11-2008, 05:07 PM

This seeems all to big for my liking, what happend to elvis and his memory?? If bob wants people to keep coming than he better slow himself down and think about the fans out there that wouldn't be happy with all the big amusement stuff that isn't needed.

Maybe it's just me but I have always been a theme park fan and love the Disney theme parks. I always wanted to see EPE develop an EP Theme park of some kind. However I don't think a roller coaster or thrill rides would be appropriate at Graceland or even next to it. But a museum theme park without the rides I can deal with and would be acceptable by more than you might think.(y)

Those who are saying less is better or a theme park atmosphere will only do damage are not accurate. Back in the 1950's Walt Disney himself got criticized for wanting to build this fantasy world in the heart of Anaheim. And look at it today? Disney is the #1 tourist destination in the world! Because of Bob Sillerman and his master plan, Graceland could one day be the world's most popular tourist destination outside of Disney!!(y) Don't the fans want to see him reach that highest height??

You would be surprised at how many people expect to see an EP themed amusement park somewhere near Graceland. They know that EP is the biggest star in the world and the only entertainer that can be marketed like that and succeed in the theme park industry. Graceland is already seen by the general public as a theme park as it is. Bob Sillerman isn't a fool. He knows what he's doing. My only argument is with EPE not being more specific and hiding the layouts from the public. Even the media is starting to question their secretive actions.:hmm:

Suzan

02-11-2008, 05:10 PM

OMG KMP what a fantastic post, truly marvelous to read!
Everyone here knows my stand on this (and very close to what you've stated).
Most recent report is that they are going to build (forgive me I don't know which exactly, either the hotel or the visitor center) next to Graceland and it will 7X that of the mansion...gee how wonderful will the house be as an attraction then? Why not just build a viftual Graceland inside the complex and close the house down?
I was quite content to drive by the house in mid and late 70's and just look at the house thru the gate and in '78 just have the privilage to walk to his gravesite.

ELVIS sells not the attractions.

EP75

02-11-2008, 05:15 PM

Another special exhibit that I would like to see and think would be very popular to the young visitors would be a spiffy guitar exhibit of EP's personal guitars from acoustic to electric and bass. I think this would be a very accepted exhibit by all fans and visitors.

A much needed exhibit or even a separate museum is a Singers & Songwriters museum. Something to focus solely on the band-mates and songwriters and producers with memorabilia.

Unchained Melody

02-11-2008, 05:36 PM

I don't see EPE actually going for this sort of thing! :mad:

TCB!
Mike

Neither do I Mike...would be something very interesting to see though if they actually did follow through with a plan like that.

We need a deluxe dvdset of the CBS Special first though..(y)(y)

EP75

02-11-2008, 05:37 PM

Most recent report is that they are going to build (forgive me I don't know which exactly, either the hotel or the visitor center) next to Graceland and it will 7X that of the mansion...gee how wonderful will the house be as an attraction then?

It's the Visitor's Center (80,000 square feet and 7 times the size of the house)that will be built to the left (north) of Graceland with a new walkway leading over to the mansion. There won't be any shuttle bussing or crossing the busy boulevard anymore and the gates will be closed. According to Soden the visitors will walk from the new center through a wooded area and then all of a sudden you'll see Graceland. Approximately 100 yards or so to the left of the mansion. That's the length of a football field so it's not going to be right up on the mansion's side as it sounds from the media reports.

TotallyInsane

02-11-2008, 05:40 PM

The very first reason on this list should be the one you have as 5th
First off let me apologise for being a fan of 45 years-who still feels he has the right to question about anything he feels strongly and passionate about.
I will agree its not 1958-but that right is still mine as long as I am fair and polite.Theres also an old saying "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" I know this one is a little before your time.
Elvis Presleys talent and Charisma should be the heart and soul of any efforts of expansion. In a nutshell that is "the Golden Goose" not buildings, nor electronics, nor vast hotels.
I want Sillerman and anyone else for that matter to hear that loud and clear.
I did see all Elvis's movies when they came out, I did buy the singles and albums, I supported him for his talent and Charisma not for anything else. So fans who have supported Elvis while he was a live want to see that respected. That should be the center of any plans. Believe it or not I know what year it is;) I know the reasoning behind what is going on;) ( I do have a little knowledge of law and business)
But the more this topic is talked about-the more I want anyone involved to know that if that is not the prime number one thought in the expansion you will turn off millions of fans who still buy, the bulk of the merchandise with Elvis's name on it. Who is more likely to buy those collectors plates which sell like hotcakes-the tourist visiting a tourist attraction-or a real fan who respects his talent and feels his charisma.
I will say this again there is a fine line that Sillerman and anyone associated must navigate with their plans. No great business man wants to lose a single customer-if this is done incorrectly he may lose millions. So as a smart businessman I hope he takes to heart the feelings of we who arae the heart of Elvis's fandom (We are not all ready to kick off as soon as some might think. I'm 53 and still play tennis about once a week, take care of my acre of ground by myself and work)
Check my previous posts going back to other discussions about Sillerman, or remixes, or any thing which might bring new fans to Elvis. I have been largely for them. But the more I read on the expansion plans the more I am feeling the emphasis is not Elvis Presley-its on atmosphere to draw a certain demogaphic(or at least thats how I am perceiving the info posted). Perhaps if some would just let it happen as it happens. (Not one shovel of dirt has been turned) It may all be fine, it may all truely center around what made Elvis the biggest selling artist of all time. But this endless speculation does not promote the expansion as a good thing-instead it raises endless questions which will only be answered by seeing what actually happens. It has already taken me from seeing this as a positive thing to e-mailing EPE and Sillermans Corporation to voice concerns for exactly what I have been saying here. So you could say this on and off discussion has taken me from thinking its not a bad thing to-questioning if it is going to be done properly and with the right emphasis on what I see as whats important and respectful.

What a fantastic post!!!! I too feel that the young fans that they attract with all this will not be the kind who have bought and bought and kept all this going for 30 plus years!! Build it and they will come but they'll also leave when they're done!

EP75

02-11-2008, 05:41 PM

Neither do I Mike...would be something very interesting to see though if they actually did follow through with a plan like that.

We need a deluxe dvdset of the CBS Special first though..(y)(y)

I may be wrong but I don't think the CBS tapes will ever see the light of day of an official release by EPE since Bob Sillerman now owns the estate (not the home). It would be too detrimental to the image that he has to try and fix.

KPM

02-11-2008, 06:04 PM

I can't argue with that. But I think if EPE were smart then they wouldn't be so hush-hush about the plans. That just makes them look like they are being sneaky or hiding something and making the fans even more concerned and skeptical about the whole thing. Why they won't release renderings or even comment on the actual plans is aggravating more than just the fans but the residents there in Memphis who will be affected by all of this. If they would just come out and show us what it will look like then I think everyone would have a totally different opinion about it. But the longer they wait and stall then more they are upsetting the fans. And by the article I posted from the Memphis paper is proof of that.

By the way, what did they say to you? Did they even reply?
Have had no replys.

Suzan

02-11-2008, 06:17 PM

It's the Visitor's Center (80,000 square feet and 7 times the size of the house)that will be built to the left (north) of Graceland with a new walkway leading over to the mansion. There won't be any shuttle bussing or crossing the busy boulevard anymore and the gates will be closed. According to Soden the visitors will walk from the new center through a wooded area and then all of a sudden you'll see Graceland. Approximately 100 yards or so to the left of the mansion. That's the length of a football field so it's not going to be right up on the mansion's side as it sounds from the media reports.

Yeah that is what it was...I still think it's not the brightest idea. And the closed gates, imo, will just make the home that much "deserted" feeling.

Suzan

02-11-2008, 06:19 PM

Most recent report:

Elvis Presley Enterprises Buys Whitehaven Multifamily
EPE and CKX Prepare for $250M Overhaul of Graceland

The historic Graceland Mansion, in Memphis, TN.
Elvis Presley Enterprises Inc. purchased 1032 Craft Road in Whitehaven for nearly $1.58 million from Michael E. Reed. EPE purchased the property as part of its $250 million redevelopment of the Graceland visitor center.

The property at 1032 Craft Road is an apartment building on 5 acres. EPE purchased the property for its land value and will tear down the 88-unit apartment building that was built in 1963. The land sold for about $315,000 per acre.

EPE’s parent company, CKX, plans to own more than 105 acres that surround Graceland. It plans to build new hotels and improve the public spaces around Graceland. For instance, the existing 128-room Heartbreak Hotel will be raised and in its place will be a much larger convention hotel on the Graceland side of Elvis Presley Boulevard. Furthermore, the existing visitor center will be raised and replaced with one seven times the size of Graceland.