Coffin Pic Exposed!

[TCBnAflash]

Check it Out. "The 7 Million Dollar Lie"


http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/fake_Dead_Elviscopy-1.jpg

[presley31]

OMG l'am speeches..

[Lonniebealestreet]

Very, very intriguing...if true.

We do know the original pic was doctored, but not widely known obviously would be if it had been done to this extent.

[utmom2008]

Well....that certainly makes sense to those of us that always said the pic looked nothing like him.:supriced::blush::blink::hmm:

[cameron]

Check it Out. "The 7 Million Dollar Lie"



I believe it and said it these many years .:P
But, "Nobody Noticed."

[presley31]

Well l guess we all have our answer about elvis pic in the coffin. imo i didn't think it was real either.

[Burning_Love]

I never thought that photo was real anyway..

But i don't really know.This was quite interesting, thank you (y)

[TotallyInsane]

Or, those of us who were accused of being crazy and only seeing what we wanted to see!!

[ReGina_89]

too crafty for 1977 IMO... they had to hand do these things no photoshop or anything

[cameron]

Or, those of us who were accused of being crazy and only seeing what we wanted to see!!
I think you might soon be exonerated .(y)
You'll have to change your name of course. :P

[Burning_Love]

Regina...your on to something ;)

[Diane]

We still don't know for sure......:blink:

Diane

[SeeSeeRider777]

TCBnAFlash- My apologies.

Holy chit!

I dont know what to say, Wow.

[Elvistcbkirch]

Dear everyone. The photo is not a fake. All sourses point to that. The beginning of this topic is the same-old-conspiracy-story that we've sen so many times. Maybe it dosnt look quite like Elvis, but there is a resason: His head was cut up during the autopsy and put together, his face was made-up and his hair was done by Larry Geller. You'll allways be able to find a picture that matcjes the same angle as the face in the coffin, but it doesnt mean it was manipulated. Because its not. Its Elvis in the casket. Dead people look a bit different than alive. Best regards, Martin

[Tony Trout]

Dear everyone. The photo is not a fake. All sourses point to that. The beginning of this topic is the same-old-conspiracy-story that we've sen so many times. Maybe it dosnt look quite like Elvis, but there is a resason: His head was cut up during the autopsy and put together, his face was made-up and his hair was done by Larry Geller. You'll allways be able to find a picture that matcjes the same angle as the face in the coffin, but it doesnt mean it was manipulated. Because its not. Its Elvis in the casket. Dead people look a bit different than alive. Best regards, Martin



Thank you. Case closed!

[REDLO]

Dear God Let's Hope So ,amen.

[cameron]

I've always found it interesting that some get so excited about the denial of that picture. :hmm: Considering they weren't there nor saw the "real thing."

BTW: The head was not cut-up in any way.That's as bad as any "fake picture." :blink:

[MissyM]

Honestly this is a subject I don't really like to think of. It upsets me to see him (fake pix or real) lying in a casket.

[presley31]

I've always found it interesting that some get so excited about the denial of that picture. :hmm: Considering they weren't there nor saw the "real thing."

BTW: The head was not cut-up in any way.That's as bad as any "fake picture." :blink:

l agree cameron(y)

[Lonniebealestreet]

There is a better photo than the one above, and it was just posted in the Gallery.

I think the one above badly retouched for reasons I don't understand is part of what led people to say it was faked and didn't look like him -- "his nose was pug" -- or didn't look real.

In the other we see that it does look very much like him and it seems that Elvis lived up to his purported prophecy that he would look good in his coffin.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/6/4/7/5/IMG.jpg

Seeing it again reinforces the point that the suggested doctoring above did not happen.

I apologize that this is upsetting or if you find it to be in bad taste on my part.

[MissyM]

No prob. I just scroll past with my eyes squinted.

[cameron]

Well, there's many that were there that disagree. ;)
So far ,I guess we still have our own opinions; and I think it was "doctored."

So, why does anyone get upset if this picture is questioned?
It sure doesn't hurt anyone. :blink:

[Tony Trout]

I've always found it interesting that some get so excited about the denial of that picture. :hmm: Considering they weren't there nor saw the "real thing."

BTW: The head was not cut-up in any way.That's as bad as any "fake picture." :blink:


Cameron,

They did a FULL autopsy and examined the brain!! How can they examine the brain and not open the head? Explain that please.....

Were you there????





Boy, where's Getlo when you need him????

[utmom2008]

Cameron,

They did a FULL autopsy and examined the brain!! How can they examine the brain and not open the head? Explain that please.....

Were you there????





Boy, where's Getlo when you need him????
Right...the top of the head is lifted off much like a skull cap.

[cameron]

Cameron,

They did a FULL autopsy and examined the brain!! How can they examine the brain and not open the head? Explain that please.....


No, they didn't.
I guess you don't believe some that was there either . Oh well. :P

[Burning_Love]

Who knows ?

We weren't there.

[Tony Trout]

No, they didn't.


Yes, they did. If they didn't examine the brain then someone was breaking the rules for a proper autopsy.


Either way, I'm done...I don't have time to argue the facts.




Who knows ?

We weren't there.

True...none of us were...we can only go by what we've read. And as far as I know or have learned, you do not perform an autopsy and not examine the brain. The reason we can't see any of the results of the autopsy (mainly the head) is because the marks are hidden by the pillow that Elvis's head is lying on.

[presley31]

I don't think thats the real deal on the picture but l could be wrong and l hope l'am.

[utmom2008]

No, they didn't.
I guess you don't believe some that was there either . Oh well. :P
In "The Death of Elvis" it goes into great detail about the brain being examined and how the top of the head was cut.

[utmom2008]

Yes, they did. If they didn't examine the brain then someone was breaking the rules for a proper autopsy.



Right Tony. That's how they were able to rule out any sort of brain anurysm. Lots of details about it in The Death of Elvis.

[Tony Trout]

I don't think thats the real deal on the picture but l could be wrong and l hope l'am.


That is the real photo...there never was a faked photo. :doh::doh:




Right Tony. That's how they were able to rule out any sort of brain aneurysm. Lots of details about it in The Death of Elvis.


Agreed. Either way, I'm finished here for the night...I have to go...carry on...some people just aren't going to be convinced....

[toffe]

I think we all should say AMEN!

[jean francois]

Very beautiful document, but it will still leave rumors that elvis is still alive:blink::blink:

[jean francois]

We know still have a rabbit in the National he showed precisely this picture
He said I site a person of the family took elvis presley pictured in his grave
Me personally, but I did not see a briefing elvis I would rather see him alive

[michaelsmith]

The Enquirer photo has been doctored because his head is in a different position. Look at the coffin hinge. In the first photo it is next to his hairline but in the second photo it is in a different position.

[cameron]

The Enquirer photo has been doctored because his head is in a different position. Look at the coffin hinge. In the first photo it is next to his hairline but in the second photo it is in a different position.

You're right. Some just don't want to believe it.
And they think I'm hard headed...:P
To each his own..

[utmom2008]

There is a better photo than the one above, and it was just posted in the Gallery.

I think the one above badly retouched for reasons I don't understand is part of what led people to say it was faked and didn't look like him -- "his nose was pug" -- or didn't look real.

In the other we see that it does look very much like him and it seems that Elvis lived up to his purported prophecy that he would look good in his coffin.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/6/4/7/5/IMG.jpg

Seeing it again reinforces the point that the suggested doctoring above did not happen.

I apologize that this is upsetting or if you find it to be in bad taste on my part.
This one..........looks like Elvis.:'(

[cameron]

Tony Trout;189677]Yes, they did. If they didn't examine the brain then someone was breaking the rules for a proper autopsy.you do not perform an autopsy and not examine the brain.
You are too funny, Tony. ;)
Since when did you become a pathologist?
Anyway, I called and talked to one of our pathologists. He said "no crainal autopsy was ever performed in a routine autopsy."
So, it's the old ,"he said, she said".
{besides, you know what the mortician said}


BTW: I saw where someone brought up the E Alive stuff. NOT about that at all. Just a "fake picture" . :P

[SweetCaroline]

No prob. I just scroll past with my eyes squinted.

Somehow my mind just sort of blocks it. I only see/remember Elvis alive and happy. I do know he is absolutely gone, but it hurts too much to face it so bluntly in pictures like these. :(

[utmom2008]

You are too funny, Tony. ;)
Since when did you become a pathologist?
Anyway, I called and talked to one of our pathologists. He said "no crainal autopsy was ever performed in a routine autopsy."
So, it's the old ,"he said, she said".
{besides, you know what the mortician said}


BTW: I saw where someone brought up the E Alive stuff. NOT about that at all. Just a "fake picture" . :P
So...does that mean that Dan Warlick was not telling the truth?

[goodelvisgirl]

waw the pic dosen't really look like elvis even in death i am sure you don't change that much but who knows we never saw him face to face when he was gone we will never know but there are a few points to say its fake and a few points to say its reall

[TotallyInsane]

So, that's it??? He really died? Are ya'll serious? He really died?

[Miss Clawdy]

There is a better photo than the one above, and it was just posted in the Gallery.

I think the one above badly retouched for reasons I don't understand is part of what led people to say it was faked and didn't look like him -- "his nose was pug" -- or didn't look real.

In the other we see that it does look very much like him and it seems that Elvis lived up to his purported prophecy that he would look good in his coffin.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/6/4/7/5/IMG.jpg

Seeing it again reinforces the point that the suggested doctoring above did not happen.

I apologize that this is upsetting or if you find it to be in bad taste on my part.

I agree, in this one he looks good and he looks like Elvis. And no, I don't
find it to be in bad taste on your part :D.

Is it right that the first post is only a personal theory from TCBnAFlash?
Or where does it come from :blink:?

[Miss Clawdy]

Boy, where's Getlo when you need him????

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[cameron]

So...does that mean that Dan Warlick was not telling the truth?

Neither Warlick or Francisco were in that autopsy all the time. Warlick was sent to GL and Francisco was making his announcement before the autopsy was even over.
I don't know if Warlick lied or just did as he was told.

Question: Did Warlick lie ? Why not, it appears everyone else did. :blink:

[cameron]

Originally Posted by Tony Trout

Boy, where's Getlo when you need him????

He's probably writing HIS book. :P ;)

[presley31]

He's probably writing HIS book. :P ;)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[TCBnAflash]

You can clearly see it in this pic as well. Hope the Gif Works. If not I'll add the JPG as well.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/NoDoubtGIF-1.gif

[utmom2008]

Neither Warlick or Francisco were in that autopsy all the time. Warlick was sent to GL and Francisco was making his announcement before the autopsy was even over.
I don't know if Warlick lied or just did as he was told.

Question: Did Warlick lie ? Why not, it appears everyone else did. :blink:
Warlick seems to tell otherwise..starting on page 30. He even went so far as to put on a white lab coat and latex gloves. It was his notation that Elvis was not circumsised. He also took swabs of the blood that trickling out of his nose, but no one bothered to run tests on that either. Warlick says he was in the room when Elvis' brain was removed. Page 47.
On page 51 he talks of holding the voice box in his hand, and how reflective that made him.
Warlick went to Graceland BEFORE the autopsy ever began....

[Getlo]

Boy, where's Getlo when you need him????

I'm right here.

Once again, the coffin pic was not faked at all ... merely touched up to give better quality.

One look at the first post in this thread and it's obvious the concert pic is a different one to the coffin pic. Stevie Wonder could see that.

How many other shots have Elvis looking almost exactly the same? Probably dozens.

It is the concert pic that has clearly been doctored in post #48 , just previous to my response here, to make it look like the concert pic.

And once again, there is no source for this ludicrous "article" written by some guy in a backwater of Queensland, Australia.

[Suzan]

That is the real photo...there never was a faked photo. :doh::doh:






Agreed. Either way, I'm finished here for the night...I have to go...carry on...some people just aren't going to be convinced....

(y)(y) Ayup to all you've said.

And sad as it is this is a real photo.
I checked w/my friend on police force who's witnessed autopsies and he said the same thing, that an cranial autoposy is routinely done...to rule out some things and perhaps show other's (as to cause of death) before tox reports and such come back.

[cameron]

I'm right here.
Thank goodness, there you are ! :)



And once again, there is no source for this ludicrous "article" written by some guy in a backwater of Queensland, Australia

Well, I thought you might have found him by now. ;)

[cameron]

Warlick seems to tell otherwise..starting on page 30. He even went so far as to put on a white lab coat and latex gloves. It was his notation that Elvis was not circumsised. He also took swabs of the blood that trickling out of his nose, but no one bothered to run tests on that either. Warlick says he was in the room when Elvis' brain was removed. Page 47.
On page 51 he talks of holding the voice box in his hand, and how reflective that made him.
Yes, I read that book too. Quite confusing when one tries to line all the stories up to match. :blink:

[TCBnAflash]

The concert photo had to be altered to put inside a coffin from a complete profile. They just probably thought that it was the perfect photo of him with his eyes closed at that angle.
I guess some people just like the fact that, there is a picture of Elvis dead.

All I know is, that this photo from the day it came out didn't look right.

[utmom2008]

Neither Warlick or Francisco were in that autopsy all the time. Warlick was sent to GL and Francisco was making his announcement before the autopsy was even over.
I don't know if Warlick lied or just did as he was told.

Question: Did Warlick lie ? Why not, it appears everyone else did. :blink:

Warlick was sent to Gracleandbefore the autopsy began. He was indeed present for the entire procedure.

[cameron]

The concert photo had to be altered to put inside a coffin from a complete profile. They just probably thought that it was the perfect photo of him with his eyes closed at that angle.
I guess some people just like the fact that, there is a picture of Elvis dead.

All I know is, that this photo from the day it came out didn't look right.

Thank you .I for one agree with you.
Everyone just needs to decide for themselves.
Unlike some, I like to give people the right to make up their own minds. :)

[cameron]

Warlick was sent to Gracleandbefore the autopsy began. He was indeed present for the entire procedure.

OK, I've read differently.
No arguements from me. Had enough of that stuff.

[rocknroll]

You can clearly see it in this pic as well. Hope the Gif Works. If not I'll add the JPG as well.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/NoDoubtGIF-1.gif


This is really a reach and just wishful thinking.

Using the logic displayed by many of you here I could make a hell of an arguement that Elvis and Bruce Lee are really still alive.

[TCBnAflash]

This is really a reach and just wishful thinking.

Using the logic displayed by many of you here I could make a hell of an arguement that Elvis and Bruce Lee are really still alive.

It says, "This ISN'T (IS NOT) proof that Elvis Presly is still alive"
Not that he is Alive.

[TotallyInsane]

Go ahead, convince me, it would be music to my ears!!!!

[presley31]

Didn't think anybody here said elvis was alive in the first place..

[TotallyInsane]

No, but it sure would be nice!!!

[goodelvisgirl]

waw that is scary i beleive and i don't beleive there are facts for and against we will never know and you folks have posted some good points me personaly i think the pic is fake it dosen't mean i think he is alive just that the pic of him in his coffin is fake or been diddled with

[Diane]

No one is going to change anyone's else's opinion as to whether this is an authentic picture of Elvis in his coffin or not. My vote is that yes that is a genuine picture of him at that terrible time and to me it does look like what he would look like after the fluids left his body....the bloating had aged him but without it, he looks in that picture very much like he would have if he had not had a build-up of those fluids.

Diane

[presley31]

No one is going to change anyone's else's opinion as to whether this is an authentic picture of Elvis in his coffin or not. My vote is that yes that is a genuine picture of him at that terrible time and to me it does look like what he would look like after the fluids left his body....the bloating had aged him but without it, he looks in that picture very much like he would have if he had not had a build-up of those fluids.

Diane

Thats the best statement l seen all night(y)

[TCBnAflash]

waw that is scary i beleive and i don't beleive there are facts for and against we will never know and you folks have posted some good points me personaly i think the pic is fake it dosen't mean i think he is alive just that the pic of him in his coffin is fake or been diddled with

I Agree with you (y)

But, Here we go again. I just don't get it, people here say, you can voice your own opinion about anything but with that comes, sarcasm and insults to the person posting.
Also, it's obvious that, the ones who can see this point proven are not going to speak up. As of now, 313 views and 64 comments later Only a few have. I don't know what the fear is, maybe it's dealing with the side that believes different and they don't want any sarcasm thrown at them.

[cameron]

I've seen the fussing and fighting from the E Alive people . I guess I can understand some of that.
I've never seen such "upset" over a picture that most never think looked like him in the first place. :hmm:

Is anyone trying to change anyone else's belief? I'm not.
Everyone can believe what they like. So far, we're allowed that, I think. ??
My goodness ..:blink:

[goodelvisgirl]

i think some people fell strongly about this subject and get a little ratty sometimes but each to there own right

[TCBnAflash]

i think some people fell strongly about this subject and get a little ratty sometimes but each to there own right

Agree with you again, you truly are a Good Elvis Girl!..lol (y)

[cameron]

I Agree with you (y)

But, Here we go again. I just don't get it, people here say, you can voice your own opinion about anything but with that comes, sarcasm and insults to the person posting.
Also, it's obvious that, the ones who can see this point proven are not going to speak up. As of now, 313 views and 64 comments later Only a few have. I don't know what the fear is, maybe it's dealing with the side that believes different and they don't want any sarcasm thrown at them.

It's only insecurity when one thinks they lknow everything and if anything might threaten their beliefs or "importance" in the eyes of their peers; some get hostile.
For the many that's voiced doubts over that picture...I thank you . (y)

[goodelvisgirl]

yep cameron wel said mate there has been so much crap since elvis passed but this has some evidence to back up the theory i mean i have always thought that pic was dodgy glad some one proved that i am not crazy

[TCBnAflash]

It's only insecurity when one thinks they lknow everything and if anything might threaten their beliefs or "importance" in the eyes of their peers; some get hostile.
For the many that's voiced doubts over that picture...I thank you . (y)


Sounds like a fortune cookie...lol:sun::sun:

That's cool, We all love Elvis and this is a very touchy subject. Sorry if anyone was offended by my post. Just thought I'd share the information.:blush:

[Getlo]

It's only insecurity when one thinks they lknow everything and if anything might threaten their beliefs or "importance" in the eyes of their peers; some get hostile.
For the many that's voiced doubts over that picture...I thank you . (y)

It is only insecurity that prompts doubt over the picture's authenticity.

The thought that a cousin of Elvis' could stoop so low and sell the pic to a magazine doesn't sit comfortably with some people.

And I for one am not "threatened", as this "fake" photo does not affect my beliefs in the slightest, especially when I can actually see the proof in front of me that the concert pic and the coffin pic, while similar, are two entirely different photographs.

There are also a couple of videos on YouTube made by i-d-i-o-ts showing how the coffin photo was taken from a concert picture, using the same manipulation of Elvis' image.

The National Enquirer paid Elvis' (distant) cousin for the picture in 1977. There has never been any credible assertion that this is not the case. Had it been proven fake, the Enquirer (even as tabloid as they are/were) would have retracted the story and picture, or some other media organisation would have exposed them - as opposed to some obsessed fan with a primitive version of Photoshop.

[goodelvisgirl]

hey thanks for the info like i have been enlightened

[presley31]

Sounds like a fortune cookie...lol:sun::sun:

That's cool, We all love Elvis and this is a very touchy subject. Sorry if anyone was offended by my post. Just thought I'd share the information.:blush:

thanks for posting your information.(y)

[cameron]

[QUOTE=Getlo;189775]
The thought that a cousin of Elvis' could stoop so low and sell the pic to a magazine doesn't sit comfortably with some people.

Good grief !! I believe that . What are you talking about?? That doesn't bother me in the least.



The [I]National Enquirer paid Elvis' (distant) cousin for the picture in 1977. There has never been any credible assertion that this is not the case. Had it been proven fake, the Enquirer (even as tabloid as they are/were) would have retracted the story and picture, or some other media organisation would have exposed them - as opposed to some obsessed fan with a primitive version of Photoshop.So much for your knowledge of tabloids .I guess you never saw the giraffe lady ? :P

http://www.wnyc.org/books/6417 THE DEMON IN THE FREEZER

.... His most famous retouching job was on a photograph of Elvis lying dead in his coffin, which ran on the cover of the Enquirer. Elvis's bloated face looked a lot better in Stevens's version than it did in the handiwork of the mortician.

[goodelvisgirl]

i was wondering where is the original of this photo or who has it not the picture printed in the paper but the original photo that was taken

[Getlo]

Good grief !! I believe that . What are you talking about?? That doesn't bother me in the least.

Why would you assume I was talking about you when I said:

"The thought that a cousin of Elvis' could stoop so low and sell the pic to a magazine doesn't sit comfortably with some people".

You are the one who uses the expression "some people" when making oh-so-subtle digs at people's attitudes when your opinion doesn't match up with theirs. "I guess some people like talking about things like this, but not me", and things of that ilk.

If I was going to refer to you or anyone, I would do so directly.

Just like I did then. ;)

[cameron]

[B]Why would you assume I was talking about you


Because you quoted me ?? Very stupid of me, huh?

[cameron]

i was wondering where is the original of this photo or who has it not the picture printed in the paper but the original photo that was taken

Anthrax killed Mr Stevens and closed the NE building. Last I heard it was still being cleaned up. No one knew where that picture was.
http://www.ibiblio.org/slanews/nln/nln02/winter/index.htm

[Getlo]

Very stupid of me, huh?

Indeed ...

[cameron]

Indeed ...
Go to bed ...;)

[SeeSeeRider777]

Well we all know that Elvis is dead, sadly but I dont know to me that pic looks weird. I guess you really change when you die, well that could be true because look at when James Brown died, the body in the coffin looked nothing like him. As for the autopsy, I didnt know that they cut Elvis' head to examine his brain. If I was Vernon I would have not allowed them to do that. I mean he's dead and there was no foul play, is there really a need to do that, we all knew that it was the drugs that killed him.

[Tony Trout]

Well we all know that Elvis is dead, sadly but I dont know to me that pic looks weird. I guess you really change when you die, well that could be true because look at when James Brown died, the body in the coffin looked nothing like him. As for the autopsy, I didnt know that they cut Elvis' head to examine his brain. If I was Vernon I would have not allowed them to do that. I mean he's dead and there was no foul play, is there really a need to do that, we all knew that it was the drugs that killed him.


Um....how else would they have examined his brain without opening his head?

We all now know that drugs played a role in Elvis's death--but I honestly don't believe that Vernon wanted to believe that drugs were involved. I say "involved" because an irregular heart beat is what is officially listed as the cause of death (and this was announced even before the autopsy was complete!). Vernon agreed to the autopsy but he did question the reasons for it before agreeing to the procedure. He wanted to find out why his son had died at such an early age. He actually thought that maybe Ginger or David or someone else could have possibly killed Elvis...so, in that respect, I don't blame Vernon for wanting an autopsy. And besides, I believe an autopsy would have had to have been performed anyway because Elvis died under what could be termed "suspicious circumstances".

[SeeSeeRider777]

Um....how else would they have examined his brain without opening his head?

We all now know that drugs played a role in Elvis's death--but I honestly don't believe that Vernon wanted to believe that drugs were involved. I say "involved" because an irregular heart beat is what is officially listed as the cause of death (and this was announced even before the autopsy was complete!). Vernon agreed to the autopsy but he did question the reasons for it before agreeing to the procedure. He wanted to find out why his son had died at such an early age. He actually thought that maybe Ginger or David or someone else could have possibly killed Elvis...so, in that respect, I don't blame Vernon for wanting an autopsy. And besides, I believe an autopsy would have had to have been performed anyway because Elvis died under what could be termed "suspicious circumstances".


What I meant was what was the need to open his head up? I know thats the only way to examine the brain.

[alstrada]

post & Repost !!!!
We Know All By J.esposito, Dick Grob, Etc.. The Coffin Picture Is Real !! Taken (stolen) By Elvis' Far Cousin & Sold To National Enquirer.
Stop With This Thread.

[cameron]

post & Repost !!!!
We Know All By J.esposito, Dick Grob, Etc.. The Coffin Picture Is Real !! Taken (stolen) By Elvis' Far Cousin & Sold To National Enquirer.
Stop With This Thread.

Unfortunately, we don't know a thing. We were not there .
Esposito and Grob both had to admit they didn't know either at Dr Nicks court hearing.

As someone has said; "don't like the topic, don't read it .";)

[Tony Trout]

What I meant was what was the need to open his head up? I know thats the only way to examine the brain.


Why? Because, as Rosanne (I believe) said earlier, it was to see if he might have been felled by an aneurysm....

The brain is always--always examined in an autopsy. Any ME who doesn't is basically breaking the law.

[cameron]

That's not true Tony and you should not try to imtimadate others .
What in the world is wrong with you ?
It's definitly not that important

[Tony Trout]

That's not true Tony and you should not try to imtimadate others .
What in the world is wrong with you ?
It's definitly not that important


I'm not trying to intimidate anyone....just using common sense.

Anybody who's knowledgeable about autopsies should know that they do, in fact, examine the brain.

Take a look at this: Autopsy Procedure (http://health.howstuffworks.com/autopsy7.htm)

One important piece of info there:

Bone saw - used to cut through bone or skull

Gee...wonder what they do that for?

Thank you. My point has been made. That is all. I will no longer participate in this particular discussion.

You're right about one thing. It doesn't really matter--but it's helpful to know the facts when discussing things like this.



(And some people probably wonder why I don't post much here....)

[cameron]

I'm not trying to intimidate anyone[/I][/B]....just using common sense.

Anybody who's knowledgeable about autopsies should know that they do, in fact, examine the brain.

Take a look at this: Autopsy Procedure (http://health.howstuffworks.com/autopsy7.htm)

One important piece of info there:

Bone saw - used to cut through bone or skull

Gee...wonder what they do that for?

Thank you. My point has been made. That is all. I will no longer participate in this particular discussion.

You're right about one thing. It doesn't really matter--but it's helpful to know the facts when discussing things like this.


No one knows everything.
To state that a M.E. would be breaking the law if a cranial autopsy were not done, is just not a fact. I've seen both.
Most of the time the family requests there not be one.

To get so upset at something that may or may not have been done over 30 years ago...well, it's not that important, IMO.

[Tony Trout]

No one knows everything.
To state that a M.E. would be breaking the law if a cranial autopsy were not done, is just not a fact. I've seen both.
Most of the time the family requests there not be one.

To get so upset at something that may or may not have been done over 30 years ago...well, it's not that important, IMO.


Cameron...sweetie...that's what I'm trying to say (in a nice way).

I'm sure you've seen both...but, in this instance (being that it was such a high-profile case/death) a complete and full autopsy was done on Elvis-which included a cranial autopsy.

Vernon wanted to find out what felled Elvis at such a young age. He was concerned 'bout them doing an autopsy and he fought tooth and nail against it in the beginning--but he finally caved in and consented to the procedure.

[marijaep]

I've always thought that the pic is real, but always thought that It shouldn't have been taken or published in the newspapers.
The thing that was posted here can be easily made of any photo in Photo Shop or any other graphic program. This does not prove me if the pic is true or not.
And as someone else posted here, people change a bit when they die..We can't see his sideburns and he had another haircut (which is nothing unusual) and he looked not as bloated as he did in 1977, but this doesn't mean that the photo is a fake. We'll never know...We all just choose what to believe in :D

It's sad to look at it, that's for sure :'(

[goodelvisgirl]

yep its hard to see this pic but as i said i think the pic is fake or has been diddled with this does not mean he is alive but its good to see what others think on the subject

[TCBnAflash]

I found this, It was 2 years ago, what do you guys think?

Elvis "Coffin Photo" Missing
The anthrax cleanup at the former American Media Inc. building in Boca Raton has taken another twist. It may even have some officials all shook up. Some 600 to 800 boxes of decontaminated photos (4.5 million photos) from the tabloid publisher's extensive library have been removed from the building - with permission from the U.S. Environmental Agency, which has been overseeing the cleanup. But no one seems to know where the boxes went. Inside those boxes may be the framed "Elvis in his coffin" photo that graced the cover of the National Enquirer soon after the singer's death in 1977. Palm Beach County health officials don't know where the boxes went. Anthrax was mailed to the AMI building in the Arvida Park of Commerce in October 2001 - only weeks after the 9/11 attacks and before similar outbreaks were reported at other media outlets and government buildings.
Source: Elvis Information Network / Updated: Apr 1, 2006

http://www.elvisnews.com/Presentation/Functional/Page/news.aspx?command=show&item=7666

[TCBnAflash]

Here's another one from that page. I personally believe that the cover photo was altered to show the coffin and Elvis' head. They moved the head up to make it a close up photo.
They just made the inside photo darker to where you can't see the crop marks.
but one has to think, if they could alter the cover that way, then what else can they do?

Check it out

JimmyCool wrote on Apr 10, 2006report abuse
Hi, ya'll! I was looking for other Elvis' stuff, when I found something like "Ask the experts section" on some portuguese or brazilian site. I don't speak portuguese, so I used a translator, and this is what I found:

Is the famous photo that shows Elvis in the coffin true?
No. The photo is a rude montage that some newspapers published at that time to win some money on the death of Elvis. One of Elvis' cousins tried to take a real photo, pocketing some thousands of dollars, but the photo burned, because of the illumination in the place. For not losing the money of the sales, some tabloids published the montage, affirming that it had been taken by Elvis' cousin. But everything didn't pass of a rude frame, because some people, even today, believe in its truthfulness. It was declared officially false in 1978, when the Presleys won in the justice a process against some of those newspapers of the yellow press. You can still find it today in the Internet, but its credibility is zero.

That's enough for me :)

[jean francois]

They say so many things about this picture which was sold by the cousin
The king but I think know a montage
And in addition he has a meche hair which pointed to the head of the king,:mad:

[goodelvisgirl]

waw i see its making a bit more sence now tcbnaflash funny how the original pic went missing

[Tony Trout]

They say so many things about this picture which was sold by the cousin
The king but I think know a montage
And in addition he has a meche hair which pointed to the head of the king,:mad:


I'm so totally confused.....

[goodelvisgirl]

yep i found that comment a little strage too by jean francois

[TCBnAflash]

waw i see its making a bit more sence now tcbnaflash funny how the original pic went missing

I know, well when you're dealing with a $7million dollar profit on the first run, people are going to make sure that their investments are covered.
but it's true what some of these people are saying. Fake or Real, it's still really, really sad to see Elvis that way.

[TCBnAflash]

Here's something else I found. Please Let me know what you'all think.

Dead Elvis photo may have been destroyed.

BOCA RATON, Fla., July 11 (UPI) -- The famous picture of Elvis Presley in his coffin may have been among millions of National Enquirer photos destroyed in a Florida anthrax cleanup.

Anthrax spores were found in October 2001 in the former America Media Inc. building where the National Enquirer...

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-15904890_ITM

[Miss Clawdy]

One would imagine that since the age of computers important pictures
would have been computerised...:blink:

[Tony Trout]

One would imagine that since the age of computers important pictures
would have been computerised...:blink:



I agree. If it's been "lost" (as that article states) how are they able to continue using it over and over and over and over?

[TCBnAflash]

One would imagine that since the age of computers important pictures
would have been computerised...:blink:

They destroyed it cause they knew that with the 90s came, "The Computer Age" and now they call the new Millennium, "The Information age", people could clearly see how the original was manipulated. This way they could keep using it as fact and make money off of it.

[utmom2008]

What I meant was what was the need to open his head up? I know thats the only way to examine the brain.
It was the only way to rule out any sort of brain anyurism. At 42....there had to be a complete autopsy, most don't just kill over at that age.....Thank God.

[utmom2008]

Why? Because, as Rosanne (I believe) said earlier, it was to see if he might have been felled by an aneurysm....

The brain is always--always examined in an autopsy. Any ME who doesn't is basically breaking the law.
Yes Tony...that was me. And you are absolutely right on target. At 42?? It had to be done.

[TotallyInsane]

I'm so confused!!! I got lost about 7 pages ago...:D

[utmom2008]

I'm so totally confused.....
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Me too! For a minute, I thought I had been drinking~ :lol:

[cameron]

Here's something else I found. Please Let me know what you'all think.

Dead Elvis photo may have been destroyed.

BOCA RATON, Fla., July 11 (UPI) -- The famous picture of Elvis Presley in his coffin may have been among millions of National Enquirer photos destroyed in a Florida anthrax cleanup.

Anthrax spores were found in October 2001 in the former America Media Inc. building where the National Enquirer...

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-15904890_ITM

Had I not looked and found all that 3or 4 years ago, I would have been shocked too. I looked for it after reading that Stephens article.

I'd say they had that likeness in a computer ever since computers were used. IF you read the anthrax articles; you'll see the anthrax was spilled all over Stephens desk.

That was a terrible thing to happen and we never have found who did it.:'(
We had several seminars on anthrax after that happened.
Not that having the knowledge would matter if you were exposed .;)

[utmom2008]

Had I not looked and found all that 3or 4 years ago, I would have been shocked too. I looked for it after reading that Stephens article.

I'd say they had that likeness in a computer ever since computers were used. IF you read the anthrax articles; you'll see the anthrax was spilled all over Stephens desk.

That was a terrible thing to happen and we never have found who did it.:'(
We had several seminars on anthrax after that happened.
Not that having the knowledge would matter if you were exposed .;)
What is the name again of the book you got the article from? I read that Stevens story that you posted...it was very interesting!

[cameron]

What is the name again of the book you got the article from? I read that Stevens story that you posted...it was very interesting!

If you're talking about Stephens, that wasn't in a book. It was on the net in some news articles.....a friend sent it to me .
Being the skeptical person I am....I went looking for what happened.

[utmom2008]

OK...I thought it was in a book. :hmm: It was a good read, I remember that.

[Miss Clawdy]

They destroyed it cause they knew that with the 90s came, "The Computer Age" and now they call the new Millennium, "The Information age", people could clearly see how the original was manipulated. This way they could keep using it as fact and make money off of it.

Wasn't the picture destroyed in 2001? And they didn't have it on their computer
by then? Sorry now I am confused...

[utmom2008]

I'm so confused!!! I got lost about 7 pages ago...:D
You should have made a pic as well...since you filed by twice.;) ;) Then we wouldn't have all this arguing! :D

[TotallyInsane]

You should have made a pic as well...since you filed by twice.;) ;) Then we wouldn't have all this arguing! :D

Yeah, I'd probably be getting out of prison about now and could post it!! :D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

All the concert photo proves is, even if the coffin photo is fake that it is Elvis' profile in that picture.

As someone who uses photoshop it is easy to fake a picture such as the coffin picture but I would imagine it would be extremely difficult to pull off in 1977. IMO the coffin picture is genuine.

[Tony Trout]

All the concert photo proves is, even if the coffin photo is fake that it is Elvis' profile in that picture.

As someone who uses photoshop it is easy to fake a picture such as the coffin picture but I would imagine it would be extremely difficult to pull off in 1977. IMO the coffin picture is genuine.

I agree, Matt. :)

[presley31]

Guess this thread will be everyone got there own opinions about the picture.

[cameron]

At least the concert picture looks more like him than the NE picture.....:P

[goodelvisgirl]

They destroyed it cause they knew that with the 90s came, "The Computer Age" and now they call the new Millennium, "The Information age", people could clearly see how the original was manipulated. This way they could keep using it as fact and make money off of it.

yep good thinking cos with the original no longer out there we will never be albe to compair the one in the paper to the original photo that means it all comes down to your own opinion and your own eye sight and what you beleive very clever these people at covering there tracks

[Jungleroom76]

There is a better photo than the one above, and it was just posted in the Gallery.

I think the one above badly retouched for reasons I don't understand is part of what led people to say it was faked and didn't look like him -- "his nose was pug" -- or didn't look real.

In the other we see that it does look very much like him and it seems that Elvis lived up to his purported prophecy that he would look good in his coffin.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/6/4/7/5/IMG.jpg

Seeing it again reinforces the point that the suggested doctoring above did not happen.

I apologize that this is upsetting or if you find it to be in bad taste on my part.

Hey pal...I've never seen this particular "version" of the photo before.

Looking at this photo, it definitely looks more like Elvis in the coffin than in the original photo.

As much as I would love to think that he is still alive, the sad reality is that Elvis left us on August 16, 1977. :'(

TCB!
Mike

[cameron]

Hey pal...I've never seen this particular "version" of the photo before.

Looking at this photo, it definitely looks more like Elvis in the coffin than in the original photo.

As much as I would love to think that he is still alive, the sad reality is that Elvis left us on August 16, 1977. :'(

TCB!
Mike


What some seem to foget .....IF there was ever an original;
there can only be one.:P ;)

[nabelt24]

I'm sorry, but I dissagree with this theory and I'm not buying it. I honestly don't think the pictures match up enough... you're telling me that they had that kind of technology to 'photoshop' and make those changes in lighting, shadows, his mouth open in the concert picture and closed in the coffin pic??? I'm just not buying it.

[rickb]

Certainly this makes for an interesting topic
Rik

[ksimms2]

Cameron, thanks for the article on Mr. Stephens - very sad for him.

Gail, you were there, what are your thoughts on the photo? does it look like it did when you were there? Did Elvis look like that in his coffin? He looks awful young to me in that pic.

I'm not sure either way. I heard the photo was too dark or something so they doctored it to make it printable....? From Tony maybe? Either way - someone said the only thing to say is "AMEN" so I am saying "God Bless You Elvis - Amen"

[goodelvisgirl]

i would love to find a copy of the original paper and the original photo and compare but as was said the photo is no longer around pitty

[cameron]

THIS WAS THE NE PICTURE . NOT ANY OF THE OTHERS ON HERE :AMEN , AND AMEN.:'(

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/NEpic.jpg

[Getlo]

It was declared officially false in 1978, when the Presleys won in the justice a process against some of those newspapers of the yellow press.

Your source for this please? Aside from a blog entry by "Johnny Cool". ;)

[Suzan]

I have the original Enquirer pic, the photo to me does not look doctored and nobody EVER said it was fake in court or otherwise.
A cousin took this photo, it's been documented...I can't remember his name though.:(

I to have the pic that has been posted in this thread and again it doesn't look doctored either. As for Elvis looking young...I've seen corpses that have done that...my aunt for one...she looked way younger then her age as she lay in repose.

[utmom2008]

.I can't remember his name though.:(

Was it Billy Mann???

[TotallyInsane]

Kelly,
My mom and I both thought he looked extremely young on 8/17/77.

[Getlo]

nobody EVER said it was fake in court or otherwise.
A cousin took this photo, it's been documented...I can't remember his name though.:(

You're right, there was no such court case. That story is rubbish.

The cousin was indeed the late Billy Mann.

We discussed it on the thread linked below, which means this thread is a rehash.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=13811&highlight=billy+mann

[cameron]

TCB ,started this thread and only showed how someone could take a picture of Elvis and make it fit into that casket. Why everyone got so excited, I have no idea. The whole idea had nothing to do with compters , E Alive or anything else people brought up.

Everyone I've ever talked to has said it did not look like Elvis in that casket.
I personally thought it looked like an artist sketch. Others reactions were ; "that's not Elvis." ,etc,. etc.

The article says Bob Stephens was Polk's star artist. He caused NE to be sued several times. Read the book about The NE history. After seeing that article I found it in the library. It was interesting. They were possibly the biggest scammers in the business at that time. They also paid "big bucks" for their stories .

No one ever said Elvis was not in that casket. It was only wondered why he looked like he did. It was the picture people doubted; not what it was supposed to be. A good artist could touch up the picture...without Photoshop. From all I've read about Stephens, he was the best.
That's all that was being said .The picture was in doubt that it turned out. After paying Billy Mann and others {I've heard} you can bet Polk would want that picture "fixed." That is the only thing, IMO that was being questioned.

Why anyone would get so excited because their "belief" might be questioned is not understandable to me. I've had to face and change a lot of what my ideas were after looking into Elvis' life. I can handle it.
If one doesn't want to find answers and some truth about a few things...as someone once said ; "stay out of the thread". ;) :peace:

[Lonniebealestreet]

Hey pal...I've never seen this particular "version" of the photo before.

Looking at this photo, it definitely looks more like Elvis in the coffin than in the original photo.
Ah yes, but this one is the original and not the badly doctored version of it that we see on the cover of the Enquirer.

I do not understand why they felt the need to move the position of the head in the casket, to mess up the nose or to add all that skin under his chin in a grotesque fashion, but it was done nonetheless.

There may be an explanation for this somewhere; I remember seeing a comparison of these two photos years ago and it may have been detailed there...wherever that was.

[LORRIELOVESELVIS]

Im just not sure about any of this!!!!!!:hmm::doh:

[TCBnAflash]

There is a better photo than the one above, and it was just posted in the Gallery.

I think the one above badly retouched for reasons I don't understand is part of what led people to say it was faked and didn't look like him -- "his nose was pug" -- or didn't look real.

In the other we see that it does look very much like him and it seems that Elvis lived up to his purported prophecy that he would look good in his coffin.

http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/6/4/7/5/IMG.jpg

Seeing it again reinforces the point that the suggested doctoring above did not happen.

I apologize that this is upsetting or if you find it to be in bad taste on my part.

This photo does look like the real deal but what I keep coming back to is, why are all shadows, nose, eyes, chin all in place with the Live Photo, cept for the cropping of his left side of his face showing?
The cover photo you're able to tell it was fake cause of the lighting of the image is much lighter.

When I was a kid my Mom got me a job working for this local newspaper. This was in 1979 and they had me do some of the touch up work on photos they wanted to improve on. It's all reversed, you place the negative on a pexi glass table that has a light under it. The black was touched up in white and the white in black. Now, the dark room was whole other story. They were able to control the darkness of the way an image was printed.

It's sad that Elvis died the way he did. I saw him once live as a kid in, 1975 and all I could remember was, this is the coolest man in the world. That night changed my life.

[goodelvisgirl]

cameron well said buddy you have a wise head on them shoulders

[TCBnAflash]

Cameron I think you said it all.;)

[goodelvisgirl]

yep hey tcb how did you find out about all this with the pics and all

[TCBnAflash]

My ex girlfriend sent them to me from the man who put them together.

[Lonniebealestreet]

This photo does look like the real deal but what I keep coming back to is, why are all shadows, nose, eyes, chin all in place with the Live Photo, cept for the cropping of his left side of his face showing?
The cover photo you're able to tell it was fake cause of the lighting of the image is much lighter.

When I was a kid my Mom got me a job working for this local newspaper. This was in 1979 and they had me do some of the touch up work on photos they wanted to improve on. It's all reversed, you place the negative on a pexi glass table that has a light under it. The black was touched up in white and the white in black. Now, the dark room was whole other story. They were able to control the darkness of the way an image was printed.

It's sad that Elvis died the way he did. I saw him once live as a kid in, 1975 and all I could remember was, this is the coolest man in the world. That night changed my life.
I can't answer your question but in my mind they do not match up quite as uncannily as you seem to see it. It is an interesting proposition though which in my mind cannot be immediately discounted; I would like to see your answer to the question from goodelvisgirl and others I believe about where this theory is coming from.

Lucky you for having seen the man in 1975.

[Lonniebealestreet]

Oh, I see you've just answered that. OK...

[Tony Trout]

I have the original Enquirer pic, the photo to me does not look doctored and nobody EVER said it was fake in court or otherwise.
A cousin took this photo, it's been documented...I can't remember his name though.:(

I to have the pic that has been posted in this thread and again it doesn't look doctored either. As for Elvis looking young...I've seen corpses that have done that...my aunt for one...she looked way younger then her age as she lay in repose.


Was it Billy Mann???


Kelly,
My mom and I both thought he looked extremely young on 8/17/77.

According to a friend of mine who spoke with one of the four embalmers who worked on Elvis, the family asked for the Memphis Funeral home to make Elvis appear like he did in the 1950s. That's why he looks so young.

*waits for the backlash from other posters 'bout the above ^^^ comment*





The cousin was indeed the late Billy Mann.

We discussed it on the thread linked below, which means this thread is a rehash.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=13811&highlight=billy+mann



Getlo,

When did Billy Mann, Sr. pass away?? (just honestly asking a question)

[EP6873]

Why is there no background in the photo? Everything behind the casket is black. The conspiracy theorists were never questioning the legitimacy of the photo, but the actual content. This is going to perpetuate more Elvis is alive stuff...

[waymore44]

That pic definitely looks real.

[TCBnAflash]

Here is another photo she sent me. I'm not sure, What do you guys think?


http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/EXPOSEDcopy.jpg

[cameron]

Ah yes, but this one is the original and not the badly doctored version of it that we see on the cover of the Enquirer.

I do not understand why they felt the need to move the position of the head in the casket, to mess up the nose or to add all that skin under his chin in a grotesque fashion, but it was done nonetheless.

There may be an explanation for this somewhere; I remember seeing a comparison of these two photos years ago and it may have been detailed there...wherever that was.

I'm trying to figure out why you think that picture was the original.
Are you saying the Enquirer picture was not the original?
If so, why would they print it and sell millions of copies?:doh:

[Tony Trout]

I'm trying to figure out why you think that picture was the original.
Are you saying the Enquirer picture was not the original?
If so, why would they print it and sell millions of copies?:doh:



There's only one (1) picture of Elvis in his casket. That one photo has most likely been manipulated many times over the years (shown at different angles, light/darkness...close up/far away...whatever).

[cameron]

According to a friend of mine who spoke with one of the four embalmers who worked on Elvis, [I][B]the family asked for the Memphis Funeral home to make Elvis appear like he did in the 1950s. That's why he looks so young.


That's a pretty strange thing for anyone to say. Perhaps an embalming class is in order ? ;)
No matter how good a mortician is; they can't make anyone appear 20 years younger .

You read the morticians book. You talked to the man that was his friend .What kind of questions did you ask him? I was very specific in my questions.We've been through all this before.
IF you read and talked to the man; you know what Vernon asked, period.

I have a man that lived there at the time ; he talked to one of them too and got different answers than you seem to have gotten. I always hesitate using the "he said, she said" stuff as it's all just hearsay.

We all have our differet opinions. There can only be one truth . ;)

[cameron]

There's only one (1) picture of Elvis in his casket. That one photo has most likely been manipulated many times over the years (shown at different angles, light/darkness...close up/far away...whatever).

Exactly....I have the one the NE printed in 1977. It looks like a drawing.;)

[rocknroll]

Here is another photo she sent me. I'm not sure, What do you guys think?


http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/EXPOSEDcopy.jpg

Is this supposed to be a picture of Elvis on stage? Somebody has way too much time on their hands.

[cameron]

Is this supposed to be a picture of Elvis on stage? Somebody has way too much time on their hands.

Aww, R&R ..it's just like everything else about Elvis.
It's the different stories and the mystery of it all. ;)

[goodelvisgirl]

yep cameron i agree with you no one will ever know it all .so many storys so many versions so many opinions

[Suzan]

According to a friend of mine who spoke with one of the four embalmers who worked on Elvis, the family asked for the Memphis Funeral home to make Elvis appear like he did in the 1950s. That's why he looks so young.

*waits for the backlash from other posters 'bout the above ^^^ comment*






Getlo,

When did Billy Mann, Sr. pass away?? (just honestly asking a question)

Nope no dings here. I've read some odd odd things pertaining to the embalmers who worked on him, ok odd is not correct term....graphic.

Thank you Getlo it was Mann...and ok now I remember the other thread.

As for the Enquirer..there are 2 pics in the issue...one is of the front page close up the other a further shot of the casket...and not touched up because the peacock glass is barely visible in the corner. They may have lightened it so that the detail stood out but I firmly believe that is all that was done.
And as TotallyInsane has stated, she was there, he did look that young @ the viewing. Period.

What is up w/that photo? Superimposed, of course it won't match the hairline (again that is all the descrepency I see) it's a stage pic w/his hair all sweaty and falling over his forehead. Larry Geller gives an acct. of how he prepared Elvis for the viewing.

Lordy this is a morbid topic yet I had to post.

[presley31]

Aww, R&R ..it's just like everything else about Elvis.
It's the different stories and the mystery of it all. ;)

couldn't of said it any better cameron(y)(y)

[Suzan]

Cameron...sweetie...that's what I'm trying to say (in a nice way).

I'm sure you've seen both...but, in this instance (being that it was such a high-profile case/death) a complete and full autopsy was done on Elvis-which included a cranial autopsy.

Vernon wanted to find out what felled Elvis at such a young age. He was concerned 'bout them doing an autopsy and he fought tooth and nail against it in the beginning--but he finally caved in and consented to the procedure.

And had he not done so, the State would have and then the autopsy would have been of public record which he certainly did not want.
And absolutely one would have been performed on Elvis considering his age and the untimely death...etc...would have been negligent had they not...further yet, those that were IN THAT ROOM and the embalmer's themselves have stated that yes in fact one had been done.

Any nobody knows everything...HOWEVER...read up on autopsy's CRANIAL is done..end of story. Now if that varies from State to State, that's something different entirely...but I doubt it...I will ask an ACTUAL Dr. friend.:)

[Suzan]

Was it Billy Mann???

That be the one, thanks.(y)

[Suzan]

You're right, there was no such court case. That story is rubbish.

The cousin was indeed the late Billy Mann.

We discussed it on the thread linked below, which means this thread is a rehash.

http://www.tcb-world.com/showthread.php?t=13811&highlight=billy+mann

Thank you as always! :D(y)

[presley31]

yep cameron i agree with you no one will ever know it all .so many storys so many versions so many opinions

This should be called unsolved mysteries by elvis fans:lol:

[cameron]

Interesting.....because Geller and mortician both said cranial was NOT done.
In fact the mortician specifically talks about the hair and the beautiful teeth.
Geller did the hair and said absolutely not. ;)

Hi Cameron~

I hope this finds you well, and thanks for your sensitivity. Elvis' head was not touched at all. No incisions, or anything along those lines.

When I prepared his hair everything was intact, this was done after the autopsy. There were criss-crossing fresh scars on his torso, and that was about it.

I really think you're going to like reading my new book, Leaves of Elvis' Garden that will be coming out later this summer. In the last chapter entitled Unchained Melody, I go into the experience of doing his hair for the last time in the mortuary.

Be Well,
Larry


Yes, Jen. I think the title of this should be "Unsolved Elvis Mysteries" and we should all be on TV. :P

[ksimms2]

Kelly,
My mom and I both thought he looked extremely young on 8/17/77.

Thank you Gail, that helps me to understand....I completely trust you.

[TCBnAflash]

Interesting.....because Geller and mortician both said cranial was NOT done.
In fact the mortician specifically talks about the hair and the beautiful teeth.
Geller did the hair and said absolutely not. ;)

Hi Cameron~

I hope this finds you well, and thanks for your sensitivity. Elvis' head was not touched at all. No incisions, or anything along those lines.

When I prepared his hair everything was intact, this was done after the autopsy. There were criss-crossing fresh scars on his torso, and that was about it.

I really think you're going to like reading my new book, Leaves of Elvis' Garden that will be coming out later this summer. In the last chapter entitled Unchained Melody, I go into the experience of doing his hair for the last time in the mortuary.

Be Well,
Larry


Yes, Jen. I think the title of this should be "Unsolved Elvis Mysteries" and we should all be on TV. :P

But I thought that, Joe Espisito broke Elvis' teeth trying to open his mouth to give him mouth to mouth.
You know Larry likes that Mawee, Wowie, it's part of that whole middle eastern stuff...lol

[ksimms2]

But I thought that, Joe Espisito broke Elvis' teeth trying to open his mouth to give him mouth to mouth. You know Larry likes that Mawee, Wowie, it's part of that whole middle eastern stuff...lol

I've heard that too - but then Joe E. said he had no idea where anyone got the idea that he tried performing cpr. ummmm from HIM that's where! he is another that changes his stories to fit the moment. Poor Elvis.

[presley31]

But I thought that, Joe Espisito broke Elvis' teeth trying to open his mouth to give him mouth to mouth.
You know Larry likes that Mawee, Wowie, it's part of that whole middle eastern stuff...lol

yes than joe changed his story and said he didn't give elvis CPR, :blink:

[cameron]

But I thought that, Joe Espisito broke Elvis' teeth trying to open his mouth to give him mouth to mouth.
You know Larry likes that Mawee, Wowie, it's part of that whole middle eastern stuff...lol
Well, I'd have to look, but Esposito says he didn't do that nor try to perform any CPR. He says , he doesn't know where that story came from. ;)

[TCBnAflash]

yes than joe changed his story and said he didn't give elvis CPR, :blink:

Joe's in that phony frame of mind like Priscilla. They think cause they say it, everyone will believe it. They are also very old fashioned in the way they try to portray a 100% clean cut image of celebrities. Her story about meeting Elvis is one of the fakest stories I've ever heard. It's up there with Dick Grob's , Elvis had bone cancer twist.

[presley31]

Joe's in that phony frame of mind like Priscilla. They think cause they say it, everyone will believe it. They are also very old fashioned in the way they try to portray a 100% clean cut image of celebrities. Her story about meeting Elvis is one of the fakest stories I've ever heard. It's up there with Dick Grob's , Elvis had bone cancer twist to sell more copies of his book.

theres lots of phonys in elvis world, which is a shame(n)(n)

[goodelvisgirl]

yep everyone who knew elvis thinks they know everything and decide to tell there storys but forget and let there minds run away thats why there are so many versions to so many storys but hey we are like little detectives on here we find out things discuss and try to figure out the mystery the tcb detectives thats the new name for everyone

[cameron]

Here's a radio clip of an Esposito interview .I didn't listen to it all, but I think it was on Esposito's DVD he's plugging here I first heard him say he didn't do any CPR, etc.

http://www.ladyluckmusic.com/radio/interviews/joeesposito/

[SweetCaroline]

When most began telling their Elvis:king: stories there was no WWW for so many people to GET TOGETHER and scrutinize every word said about Elvis... so perhaps some were not careful in the way they presented events. ;)

[utmom2008]

Well, I'd have to look, but Esposito says he didn't do that nor try to perform any CPR. He says , he doesn't know where that story came from. ;)
:lol: I think it came from Joe....right after he said he found him in the bed.;);) And we wonder why Joe has lost so much credibility.:hmm:

[utmom2008]

Joe's in that phony frame of mind like Priscilla. It's up there with Dick Grob's , Elvis had bone cancer twist.

Didn't Dr. Nick also get on the bone cancer story? I was skimming back through The Death of Elvis the other night and I thought I something about that.:doh:

[TCBnAflash]

When I read that Joe did that it grossed me out. So I think he got a lot negative reactions over it so he changed his story again. Remember the TV News clip of him with Charlie stating that, Elvis was found dead on his bed?

When he says,"It's Not Real", Charlie backs him up,"No It's Not"..I remember saying that when a friend of mine passed away. It felt more like I just woke out of a nightmare.

Here's the clip People. Would love to hear your imputs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVWXyjzEbws

[utmom2008]

Here is another photo she sent me. I'm not sure, What do you guys think?


http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/EXPOSEDcopy.jpg
I think we need to move on to another subject...;);)

[TCBnAflash]

Note: in that You Tube clip, Ginger seems like she's so full of it. Even when she said, "They look to him like a god", that to me showed that she didn't really appreciate all he was and did for her. Because when your in love you worship the ground that person walks on and if that was the case she would understand that even people who don't know him personally loved him as well.

[Tony Trout]

Is this supposed to be a picture of Elvis on stage? Somebody has way too much time on their hands.


Exactly...geez...*rolls eyes*


Interesting.....because Geller and mortician both said cranial was NOT done.
In fact the mortician specifically talks about the hair and the beautiful teeth.
Geller did the hair and said absolutely not. ;)

Hi Cameron~

I hope this finds you well, and thanks for your sensitivity. Elvis' head was not touched at all. No incisions, or anything along those lines.

When I prepared his hair everything was intact, this was done after the autopsy. There were criss-crossing fresh scars on his torso, and that was about it.

I really think you're going to like reading my new book, Leaves of Elvis' Garden that will be coming out later this summer. In the last chapter entitled Unchained Melody, I go into the experience of doing his hair for the last time in the mortuary.

Be Well,
Larry






I wouldn't trust Larry Gellar any farther than I could throw him....he's as phony as a six-dollar bill.....


But I thought that, Joe Esposito broke Elvis' teeth trying to open his mouth to give him mouth to mouth.
You know Larry likes that Mawee, Wowie, it's part of that whole middle eastern stuff...lol


This is one thing we'll never know....




Didn't Dr. Nick also get on the bone cancer story? I was skimming back through The Death of Elvis the other night and I thought I something about that.:doh:


Vernon started the bone cancer story and people (Larry Geller; Charlie Hodge; Kathy Westmoreland) have falsely ran with it for thirty one years.




I think we need to move on to another subject...;);)


Agreed....I'm too tired to argue any further....we're never going to come to a full agreement on this fascinating and morbid photo....so...I say let's move on.....these kinds of threads only wind up causing arguments between the members of the board and the thread usually winds up getting locked.



Everyone agree?

[presley31]

Lets face everyone we all think different and nobody here will ever change any minds so maybe its time to move on to a different thread.

[utmom2008]

I wouldn't trust Larry Gellar any farther than I could throw him....he's as phony as a six-dollar bill..




Agreed....I'm too tired to argue any further....we're never going to come to a full agreement on this fascinating and morbid photo....so...I say let's move on.....

Everyone agree?

Amen to the first thought , and Amen to the second thought(y)

[LORRIELOVESELVIS]

God Bless You Dear Elvis Presley.....
May You Rest In Peace!

[Tony Trout]

God Bless You Dear Elvis Presley.....
May You Rest In Peace!


Even in death, Elvis hasn't been allowed to have any peace whatsoever...

[cameron]

I wouldn't trust Larry Gellar any farther than I could throw him....he's as phony as a six-dollar bill.....

And I wouldn't believe Dick Grob ...so there you go. :lol:

[utmom2008]

And I wouldn't believe Dick Grob ...so there you go. :lol:
I have about decided that when discussing the events of 08/16/77 I don't trust anyone. (n)

[LianaKaralivanou]

Well, I don't know what to say! I was away on a trip in South Greece for two days and the moment I returned home, I entered the forum and I saw this thread. I don't know if the picture in the coffin is fake or not but I find the whole thing rather upseting even to think about it. Anyway, what's the point now? Elvis is dead...

[TotallyInsane]

What 'bout me???????????????

[utmom2008]

What 'bout me???????????????
OK...I trust you. You were in the bathroom, right? ;)

[TotallyInsane]

OK...I trust you. You were in the bathroom, right? ;)

Shhhhhh, I haven't written my book yet!!!

[goodelvisgirl]

i think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject and give the tcb detectives a break

[Tony Trout]

And I wouldn't believe Dick Grob ...so there you go. :lol:


I've never said that I believe Dick Grob....

[Albert]

Saying that the coffin picture has been sold to the NE is a fake doesn't mean that anyone deny that Elvis actually died on August 16 1977. The discussion isn't about that.

Any bright person would understand that a picture of Elvis in a coffin would sell for big bucks. It could also be that the seller of this photograph has been in Graceland for the funeral. And also that he hasn't taken any pictures. And that he (plus perhaps more people) worked very hard that week on to fabricate this coffinpicture.

[hot for elvis]

http://i25.tinypic.com/mh816s.jpg

look at this

[Simon]

Even in death, Elvis hasn't been allowed to have any peace whatsoever...

Says someone who writes things like:

Um....how else would they have examined his brain without opening his head?

We all now know that drugs played a role in Elvis's death--but I honestly don't believe that Vernon wanted to believe that drugs were involved. I say "involved" because an irregular heart beat is what is officially listed as the cause of death (and this was announced even before the autopsy was complete!). Vernon agreed to the autopsy but he did question the reasons for it before agreeing to the procedure. He wanted to find out why his son had died at such an early age. He actually thought that maybe Ginger or David or someone else could have possibly killed Elvis...so, in that respect, I don't blame Vernon for wanting an autopsy. And besides, I believe an autopsy would have had to have been performed anyway because Elvis died under what could be termed "suspicious circumstances".

and:

Why? Because, as Rosanne (I believe) said earlier, it was to see if he might have been felled by an aneurysm....

The brain is always--always examined in an autopsy. Any ME who doesn't is basically breaking the law.

and:

Anybody who's knowledgeable about autopsies should know that they do, in fact, examine the brain.

Take a look at this: Autopsy Procedure (http://health.howstuffworks.com/autopsy7.htm)

One important piece of info there:

Bone saw - used to cut through bone or skull


and:


I'm sure you've seen both...but, in this instance (being that it was such a high-profile case/death) a complete and full autopsy was done on Elvis-which included a cranial autopsy

and:

According to a friend of mine who spoke with one of the four embalmers who worked on Elvis, the family asked for the Memphis Funeral home to make Elvis appear like he did in the 1950s. That's why he looks so young.

[Jungleroom76]

http://i25.tinypic.com/mh816s.jpg

look at this

THANKS FOR POSTING THIS...

I've never seen a color version of this photo...it definitely looks more like him in this photo then in the one that appeared on the cover of the N.E.

TCB!
Mike

[utmom2008]

THANKS FOR POSTING THIS...

I've never seen a color version of this photo...it definitely looks more like him in this photo then in the one that appeared on the cover of the N.E.

TCB!
Mike
I have seen this on a website, but for the life of me I can't remember which one. :doh:

[LORRIELOVESELVIS]

Even in death, Elvis hasn't been allowed to have any peace whatsoever...
AMEN!!!!!!!!!

[Danny Ocean]

The photo is real.. There are even two pictures taken from Elvis laying there.. slightly from a diffrent angle

[goodelvisgirl]

never seen that colour version before again this pic looks different to the other ones posted

[Suzan]

The color version is FAKE...It's the Enquirer pic colorized...but it's placed on a pic of the living room as it is today, look @ the carpet ;)...Back @ the time of his death the red was still within Graceland, including the red carpeting in the living room.

Also take a close look at the white material draped over the front of the coffin...see how it ends? This is a digitally done photo and perhaps the reason for all the speculation of a "fake" Enquirer pic.

The 2 Enquirer photos are real, they (as I and 2 people supplied the name I could not recall) taken by Elvis' cousin Billy Mann.

There is no conspiracy, or switching of the body, or a wax figure, or fake photos, Elvis passed away on Aug. 16th...people/public saw him in his coffin. Let it be.

[cameron]

I never have seen where anyone claimed a body was switched or a wax figure was there ...except the ones protesting so much. :hmm:

This is about a "doctored "picture that NE claimed to have and put in their paper. :blink:
None of this pictures are "real" .The one we're talking about is in the NE paper only.


Nice work, Simon sez....I agree .(y) :P

[TCBnAflash]

The photo is real.. There are even two pictures taken from Elvis laying there.. slightly from a diffrent angle

If someone has the the two different angles, can you please post it on here?

This is the only one I've ever seen.

[goodelvisgirl]

yep cameron your right buddy and you know something am still sticking with my thought that the pic is a fake even 10 pages later no one has said anything for me to think about changing my mind yep i would like to see the pic from the two different angles also

[cameron]

Saying that the coffin picture has been sold to the NE is a fake doesn't mean that anyone deny that Elvis actually died on August 16 1977. The discussion isn't about that.

Any bright person would understand that a picture of Elvis in a coffin would sell for big bucks. It could also be that the seller of this photograph has been in Graceland for the funeral. And also that he hasn't taken any pictures. And that he (plus perhaps more people) worked very hard that week on to fabricate this coffinpicture.

Yes, that has been the idea through this whole thing. Though tried to be turned into something else, we resisted. :P
TYVM (y)

[goodelvisgirl]

yep the tcb detectives have figured it out the paper should be ashamed

[JonRomanovich]

In the darker pic, he almost looks like he is smiling.

[JonRomanovich]

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/207/coffinpictures2af.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8350/withpole2zf.jpg

From another site:
He was placed in front of the Music Room doors as PEP shows in a 900 lb copper casket exactly the same model as his mother's manufactured by Batesville Casket Co. in Batesville, Indiana - the coffin was flown in by private plane from Oklahoma City, all of the red furniture was removed to the back part of the house and white folding chairs were set up for the funeral. (He was dressed in a white suit, white tie and blue shirt that Vernon gifted him Christmas of 1976, from Lansky's) (He had on his TCB ring, a loaned TCB from one of the MMM's who I have forgotten.) (Priscilla and Lisa Marie both placed a gold bracelet on his wrist along with a photo of them)

When Vernon made the decision to allow the public viewing (from 3 PM to 5 PM later allowing the gates opened another hour and half), Elvis' casket was moved to the front foyer under the chandelier. The crowds came up the drive toward the front along the left drive into the foyer (single file) to be quickly usered and out the doors in the back of Music Room, out to the drive in front of the horse's pasture on the right side of Graceland and down the drive.

Linda Thompson & several MM sat on the steps leading up to Elvis bedroom and in the dining room at the table. They watched the people file by and made faces to each other about how a certain person looked or acted. Lamar has said it was a pitiful but funny sight that he routine laughed and cried thinking what Elvis reaction would of been that day.

Memphis papers have estimated 20,000 to 25,000 filed by in the hours Vernon allowed Graceland open with another 10,000 still waiting to come through at 6 PM, Memphis Police with Graceland Gate guards pushed the gates closed at 6:30 PM. Over night crowds were estimated in the 80,000 range around Graceland and in the streets.

Afterward the public viewing, several people sat around in the living room and dining room sharing stories about Elvis. Later he was guarded all night by Sam Thompson and Dick Grob both taking turns to stand by his casket. (Dick has supposedly took photos of Elvis in his casket too sometime over night)

2 PM - August 18th - his funeral takes place in the Music Room as in PEP's photo. Not sure of the actual numbers in the room but was told several stood in the hallway and dining room. The minister from Dee Presley's church officiated, C.V. Bradley of Woodvale Church of Christ in Whitehaven with Rex Humbard from Akron, OH giving the eulogy (both not very well known directly to Elvis) Elvis watched Rex on television and had a conversation with him in Las Vegas in December in his dressing room. (Upon completion of the funeral, Joe Esposito along with Vernon there took off the TCB ring and it was given to Vernon).

Vernon and Priscilla rode in the first limo behind the hearse, Linda & Ginger and family were asked to ride further back in the line supposedly by both Vernon & Priscilla.

Interestingly, no American Flag was ever draped over the coffin as is typical fashion of a veteran of military service funeral either during his funeral or as his coffin was transported to Forest Lawn.

The crypt was purchased as a last minute option for burial, though Glady's grave plot was on the hill in front of the mausoleum where Elvis had purchased several plots for himself and his father in 1958. Forest Lawn discouraged Vernon from a traditional burial due to security fears and it was always Elvis's wishes to never be buried in the ground according to several MMM's. (His mother was moved to the crypt on August 27th. The whole movement took over 3 hours and 11 people to move her copper casket from her buriel plot to the crypt. Her old head stone and foot stone were moved to storage in the Graceland garage.)

Another brief service happened in the chapel right inside the mausoleum then his casket was wheeled around the hall toward the right from the chapel and placed in the crypt directly at the end of this hall. Vernon was one of the last to kiss the casket good-bye and was physically helped out of the mausoleum. (Some say that Vernon planned all along to have Elvis buried at Graceland but had to get the permits filed and zoning permits from the city, Nancy Rook says he wanted to do above ground mausoleum but that the estimates were over a million and the estate had roughly 4 million in cash in August 1977 and typical fashion for Vernon to squeeze the last cent dry) Another person on this board has verified 2500 lbs of concrete went into the crypts Elvis is now buried in Meditation Gardens. Though still others in employ at EPE (Jimmy Gamble) say he is not buried in the garden but at another spot on the grounds. (Another myth for the fans!)

[TotallyInsane]

For the tcb detectives; Looking younger is a clue. Good luck, you'll need it.

Is that the only clue we get?

[goodelvisgirl]

mmm interesting i see we have another tcb detective

[TotallyInsane]

The crowds came up the drive toward the front along the left drive into the foyer (single file) to be quickly usered and out the doors in the back of Music Room, out to the drive in front of the horse's pasture on the right side of Graceland and down the drive.

This is so not true - we did not go walking through the Music Room out some back door! We went in the front door and back out the front door.

[goodelvisgirl]

well done for solving that one we are getting closer i think i hope

[JonRomanovich]

Didn't think that was true either..just copyin and pastin.

[cameron]

[B]

This is so not true - we did not go walking through the Music Room out some back door! We went in the front door and back out the front door.

That's the way I always understood it too, Gail.No one got in the house . The casket was at the front door, wasn't it??

Sorry, Gail. This can't be easy for you.....you were there.:'(

[TCBnAflash]

It looks like the dame exact photo place on a different angle Coffin photo.

Here's another illustration my ex just sent me.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/elvistoday/4-8-07-folder/CASKETHOAX.jpg

[TotallyInsane]

It was right inside the front door in front of the stairs. You literally took 2 or 3 steps inside the front door, took maybe 2 steps to the left and then back out.

[TCBnAflash]

Sorry this quote was Regarding the two different angle photos on post #206

"It looks like the dame exact photo place on a different angle Coffin photo."

basically just moved the cropped photo up.

[goodelvisgirl]

waw just seen the new pic i am convinced i have seen the light they look exact no mistaking it you can see it so clear the original and the live 77 photo are the same now how would that be possable that you could look the exact same on stage and in your casket amazing what a paper will do for money

[cameron]

It was right inside the front door in front of the stairs. You literally took 2 or 3 steps inside the front door, took maybe 2 steps to the left and then back out.

Thanks, Gail.

Msybe we should just stop with all the different pictures as none are real.
I just get more confused.:blink:
How about finding out if anything that's been said is true?
Thanks everyone.

[TotallyInsane]

I think I've been confused since around page 2!!! What are we arguing about again?

[goodelvisgirl]

i don't know its 3.30 my mind is ready to give up but i have already made up my mind about the pic in the paper i think i am now satisfied

[cameron]

i don't know its 3.30 my mind is ready to give up but i have already made up my mind about the pic in the paper i think i am now satisfied

Me too. I've decided a long time ago. Now to get it in writing . :)
Good night to all.

[Frankieg]

I've heard and seen some morbid threads and topics on other Elvis message boards, but this one certainly takes the cake ... :(

[utmom2008]

I think I've been confused since around page 2!!! What are we arguing about again?
I don't know anymore....I need a good strong drink! ;);)

[Danny Ocean]

Here you see the two diffrent photo's. Now you can clearly see a slight diffrence of the angle the photo's are taken.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2384/twoqj5.jpg

[utmom2008]

Here you see the two diffrent photo's. Now you can clearly see a slight diffrence of the angle the photo's are taken.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2384/twoqj5.jpg
So.............which one is REAL???? :D:D

[TCBnAflash]

Danny Ocean, the only difference I see is the angle of the Coffin, not the photo of Elvis.
The photo is the same exact one on both angles. That's cause the cropped photo is just placed on a different photo of the coffin. If anything we would have then seen the face at a different angle.

[Suzan]

I never have seen where anyone claimed a body was switched or a wax figure was there ...except the ones protesting so much. :hmm:

This is about a "doctored "picture that NE claimed to have and put in their paper. :blink:
None of this pictures are "real" .The one we're talking about is in the NE paper only.


Nice work, Simon sez....I agree .(y) :P

Then some need to brush up on their reading.
And peppered throughout this thread and the prev. one regarding this topic were plenty of references to a wax figure. Also references made or inferred to doctored photo or has someone not read the thread all the way thru? LOL

No protesting just asking for facts of some people's "facts"...sort of like when they claimed something about aunt Lois. ;)

[TotallyInsane]

Who was Aunt Lois?

[cameron]

Then some need to brush up on their reading.
And peppered throughout this thread and the prev. one regarding this topic were plenty of references to a wax figure. Also references made or inferred to doctored photo or has someone not read the thread all the way thru? LOL

No protesting just asking for facts of some people's "facts"...sort of like when they claimed something about aunt Lois. ;)

Anyone can turn anything into what's in their mind. Good or bad.
Albert read it. That's all I need.

[cameron]

Who was Aunt Lois?
Aunt Lois is Elvis' aunt; still living in Memphis.

[Suzan]

Who was Aunt Lois?

Aunt Lois is Elvis' deceased aunt.

[Suzan]

Anyone can turn anything into what's in their mind. Good or bad.
Albert read it. That's all I need.

What are you talking about?

Also you insinuated that I was the one who thought Elvis was alive, well I'd like to see where I ever said any such thing?

[Suzan]

Aunt Lois is Elvis' aunt; still living in Memphis.

Check your facts, she passed away.

[cameron]

Check your facts, she passed away.

When did that happen? We just sent money to help her a few months ago.
This is terrible news.:'(

[Suzan]

Elvis 25th Commemorative Special

The biggest-selling issue of all time for The National Enquirer was the issue with this photo on the cover. It sold a record-breaking 700,000 copies. The photo of Elvis, lyingn in his copper coffin in the music room of Graceland, was snapped by a Presley relative (Billy Mann), with an Instamatic camera supplied by the Enquirer. Security was tripled to keep out uninvited reporters and fans, but the relative was able to shot three quick frames and stuff the camera in his pocket. He immediately departed Graceland and was whisked away in a waiting limo, and the film rushed to a secret photo lab. A special photo team was flown in to Memphis from Florida to process the film. When the film was developed, the first two frames were unusable, but the third and final frame is the one you see on the cover of the Enquirer. The photo was considered so sensational that a senior editor and a security guard were detailed to accompany it at all times. The Enquirer has permitted this photo to be published only on a few occasions.

Sidenote: the pic is also next to the article...I can scan and post for thos interested, along w/the ORIGINAL Enquirer front pic (not an ebay copy) and the pic inside from a further angle.

So those who say it's a fake please post an article stating so that is a RELIABLE source.

[Suzan]

When did that happen? We just sent money to help her a few months ago.
This is terrible news.:'(

Really? :hmm: ;)

[cameron]

I'm not sure how much more reliable you can get than the people that worked there and saw it all.

[cameron]

Really? :hmm: ;)
Yes, it is and I don't appreciate hearing about it on here.
Good grief. :'(

[Suzan]

I'm not sure how much more reliable you can get than the people that worked there and saw it all.

Is there an article where they discuss it or in an interview, otherwise it's heresay...unlike the acct. I just posted.:)

[Suzan]

Yes, it is and I don't appreciate hearing about it on here.
Good grief. :'(

Hearing what?

[cameron]

Is there an article where they discuss it or in an interview, otherwise it's heresay...unlike the acct. I just posted.:)
There's a whole book written about the History of the Nationnal Enquirer , by the man that worked there.Look it up.

[cameron]

Hearing what?

In hearing about Aunt Lois' death. That was pretty cruel, IMO.
I'm trying to reach the minister that went to help her and yes, it upsets me.

[Suzan]

In hearing about Aunt Lois' death. That was pretty cruel, IMO.
I'm trying to reach the minister that went to help her and yes, it upsets me.

My apologies I didn't know you were related, I'm checking my info with Missy who is a relative.

[Tony Trout]

Elvis 25th Commemorative Special

The biggest-selling issue of all time for The National Enquirer was the issue with this photo on the cover. It sold a record-breaking 700,000 copies. The photo of Elvis, lying in his copper coffin in the music room of Graceland, was snapped by a Presley relative (Billy Mann), with an Instamatic camera supplied by the Enquirer. Security was tripled to keep out uninvited reporters and fans, but the relative was able to shot three quick frames and stuff the camera in his pocket. He immediately departed Graceland and was whisked away in a waiting limo, and the film rushed to a secret photo lab. A special photo team was flown in to Memphis from Florida to process the film. When the film was developed, the first two frames were unusable, but the third and final frame is the one you see on the cover of the Enquirer. The photo was considered so sensational that a senior editor and a security guard were detailed to accompany it at all times. The Enquirer has permitted this photo to be published only on a few occasions.

Sidenote: the pic is also next to the article...I can scan and post for thos interested, along w/the ORIGINAL Enquirer front pic (not an ebay copy) and the pic inside from a further angle.

So those who say it's a fake please post an article stating so that is a RELIABLE source.



Suzan,

Can you send me this photo? I'd like to see it....

[cameron]

My apologies I didn't know you were related, I'm checking my info with Missy who is a relative.
I'm not related and never claimed such a thing. Some of us were concerned when we heard of her problems and pitched in to help her.

[cameron]

THIS WAS IN FEB.2007 ....I JUST TOOK OFF HIS ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER. I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED HIM !!


LOIS SMITH, ELVIS' ONLY LIVING AUNT IS DESTITUTE CRIPPLED-LIVING ALONE! GRACELAND WON'T HELP!



I have known Lois Smith (Elvis' only living aunt) for eight years. Recently I received two emails from her friends informing me of the fact that Lois was almost destitute, crippled, and needed help immediately. I called Lois and told her I was coming to see her in Memphis. I raised some emergency money from my family to donate to her. Jack Lamont, my Might Stream technician, and I drove to Memphis and spent several hours with Lois and two of her children.

LOIS NEEDS HELP NOW!
Aunt Lois is confined to a wheelchair; her hands are so swollen from arthritis that she cannot use them. Lois lives in an old 50's style mobile home court. Many of the trailers are abandoned, windows knocked out, trash, ECT. Yet in her small one room trailer she has, is very neat in spite of the fact that she cannot walk or use her fingers.

NO FURNACE!

All this past winter, she has had no furnace. Her only heat is a burner on the gas stove. Also, her plumbing has not worked for some time. She has water but no workable drains. She exists on a small social security check, this mostly goes for medicine. Recently she tried to get up and fell and had to lie on the floor until her son came to check o her that evening. THIS LITTLE AUNT OF ELVIS' NEEDS HELP BADLY!

Before going to Memphis, I left a message on the voice mail of Todd Morgan. He is in charge of the PR for Elvis Presley Enterprises. I told him of the dire need of Aunt Lois. I asked him to get Graceland involved. I heard NOTHING BACK. I then emailed him the same information, NO RESPONSE. So if Aunt Lois is to get help, it will have to be from her friends and Elvis fans. I am hoping to raise enough money to move her out of these living conditions and find her a one bedroom apartment where she can have a safe, comfortable place to live out her life, Lois is 83 years old.
For more than 20 years, I have had a bank account for sending money to missionaries who feed the starving and for other charitable work. It is BAPTIST MISSIONS, INC., organized under the laws of Missouri as a not for profit corporation. Any donation you send for the aid of Aunt Lois Smith (Elvis' Mother was a Smith) will receive a receipt so you may deduct it from your taxes. It is important that you make checks to BAPTIST MISSIONS, INC. and on the memorandum space write Lois Smith Fund. 100% of the contributions will go to Lois.

Elvis wanted his relatives taken care of. Elvis, in his will on page 2, item 4, provided that any of his relatives that were destitute should be taken care of from the trust fund he had left. THIS WAS NOT DONE FOR AUNT LOIS! Elvis Presley ENT. takes in millions of dollars every year. Lisa and Priscilla were reportedly in Scotland looking at a castle to buy for several millions of dollars, yet NO money for their ONLY living aunt. Aunt Lois showed me an 8x10 picture Priscilla had autographed and given her years ago.


Aunt Lois and Gladys, Elvis' mother, were very close. Lois was at her bedside up until the day Gladys died. Now Lois has been shoved aside and forgotten and left to live in destitution. Please write or call or email me, and let me know your ideas and how you could help her. I intend to try and get national news coverage on this TERRIBLE TRAVISTY against Aunt Lois. Please email your friends.

Please pray for Aunt Lois Smith and her family.

God Bless,
Bill Beeny

[Suzan]

My apologies I just called a family member and asked and I got my info wrong it was Lorraine that passed away in the late '80's.
BTW Lois knows nothing of any funds so you may want to check to make sure it was delivered.

[Tony Trout]

Ahhh...Bill Beeny....gee...where have I heard that name before?

Nutcase and well noted "Is Elvis Alive?" believer.....



My opinion? :lol::lol::lol:(n)(n)(n)

[cameron]

You can believe.....it was delivered . Or don't believe. Right now, it makes no difference to me.

[cameron]

Ahhh...Bill Beeny....gee...where have I heard that name before?

Nutcase and well noted "Is Elvis Alive?" believer.....



My opinion? :lol::lol::lol:(n)(n)(n)
Grow up, Tony. Some people care about others, no matter how nutty they are perceived ,

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/lois.jpg

[TotallyInsane]

Ahhh...Bill Beeny....gee...where have I heard that name before?

Nutcase and well noted "Is Elvis Alive?" believer.....



My opinion? :lol::lol::lol:(n)(n)(n)

Isn't he the one with the museum in Missouri that just sold it recently? If so, sounds like he's the one having money problems and using an elderly person to help himself out.

[MissyM]

Ok, let me get some things straight here. Lorraine (Billy's ma) died in "88" of a heart attack. So I can see why Suz. got confused. It happens. I quite sure that she did not mean anything by this.
But while I am taken aback that anyone really cares what the circumstances of Lois is, the fact remains that I called her after this information of donations got put on here. I talked to both her and her daughter Brenda (who is now living with Lois) and both stated that they don't know about the preacher and have not received any money. I'm not saying that money was not collected but you will have to go to your sources Cameron and find out what the deal is.
Yes, I do think it's a shame that Lois and family were forgotten about and it has gotten this bad. My mother-in-law (Lois's sister) tried to help her out prior to her dying.
If you need me too I can call her and see if she has gotten anything since I talked with her last.