The abortion issue.

[MissyM]

Ok I read that Pricilla wanted to have an abortion with Lisa. Is that really the truth. And Elvis didn't want her to have one, that's the other part right. Where did that come from? Was she the one who said that. For some reason I'm having a mental blank on this. :doh:

[Lonniebealestreet]

Before it gets going, I strongly encourage this thread to stay on topic.

Honey, I'd just as soon keep my own personal views about that to myself...;)

[MissyM]

Yeh, this is not meant to open the abortion can of worms. I'm just curious mostly about where that came from. I will definately abide by your ruling!

[riley]

didn't she herself told that in her book????


Odd thing to do esp knowing Lisa was once going to read it......

[Lonniebealestreet]

Thx, Missy. BTW, you need another post quick!

[MissyM]

I thought that is were it came from but I couldn't remember for sure. Who the heck would make that known publically, much less to their child. And why? What point would it prove? That's why I thought, no maybe I'm thinking wrong about where it came from????

[MissyM]

I need another post, what you talkin bout Lonnie!

[ksimms2]

Priscilla said that she thought of not having the child because they had just gotten married, and she did not want anything to interfere with her time with Elvis - she wanted him to herself more before they had a child. If I'm not mistaken - that is why. It wasn't that she did not want a child - just not at that moment. She wanted to be husband and wife and alone time with him before they started a family. I can understand that - not that I would have opted for an abortion or anything....but I can understand her thinking.

[ksimms2]

I need another post, what you talkin bout Lonnie!

You are climbing the posting ladder - you will be a TCB Mafia soon I think...is that what you mean Lonnie?

[MissyM]

TCB Mafia? Is that a good thing or bad?? LOL

Back to the subject. I understand that too but there is no way I' say it and have my child learn it. One you say it IMO repeat IMO there is not way the you can undo the damage of saying it. That cuts to deep. But like I said, that's just me. Apparently though it seems to not have bothered Lisa.

[ksimms2]

TCB Mafia? Is that a good thing or bad?? LOL

Back to the subject. I understand that too but there is no way I' say it and have my child learn it. One you say it IMO repeat IMO there is not way the you can undo the damage of saying it. That cuts to deep. But like I said, that's just me. Apparently though it seems to not have bothered Lisa.

Evidently Lisa has no problem with it - they even joke about it on Elvis By The Presley's.....Lisa jokes, "and you still aren't used to having me" or something like that......I guess she understands?

[Lonniebealestreet]

You're in the clear now, Missy. Didn't want to see you sitting on 666 posts for too long, that's all. :lol:

Stay on topic, Lonnie.

[riley]

it's a good thing Lisa doesn't seem to be bothered by it now... but she also is a grownup women and had her share in life alreaddy but when the book came out she was only a teen.

IMO Pris could have considered telling that issue at all. It was not really needed. There are so many times she says Elvis was a private person and she is a private person well I don't see the use of telling such a little quite odd detail.

When you are married to the love of your life and then having his baby.....

you should have been happy IMO...

OK she was not but why tell so many years after and knowing that your child is going to read that....

[presley31]

Priscilla said that she thought of not having the child because they had just gotten married, and she did not want anything to interfere with her time with Elvis - she wanted him to herself more before they had a child. If I'm not mistaken - that is why. It wasn't that she did not want a child - just not at that moment. She wanted to be husband and wife and alone time with him before they started a family. I can understand that - not that I would have opted for an abortion or anything....but I can understand her thinking.

l agree kelly, some people do have mixed feelings about having a baby when there not ready for one. i don't think lisa has a big problem with it either.

[MissyM]

Whew, thanks Lonnie! 666 eek!

I guess all is well but still, why why why??? Maybe just another case of foot in mouth disease on Cilla's part. I used to get that sometimes. But I choose more carefully now. Maybe it was to make Lisa feel like her dad wanted her so very much??? I suppose we'll never know.

[EDOEP]

Yeh, this is not meant to open the abortion can of worms. I'm just curious mostly about where that came from. I will definately abide by your ruling!

missym,

priscilla wrote that in her book.

hugs, ellie

[EDOEP]

Whew, thanks Lonnie! 666 eek!

I guess all is well but still, why why why??? Maybe just another case of foot in mouth disease on Cilla's part. I used to get that sometimes. But I choose more carefully now. Maybe it was to make Lisa feel like her dad wanted her so very much??? I suppose we'll never know.

missym,

i re-read the book about 2 months ago. two things come immediately to mind:

1/ she stated - kelly quotes below absolutely correctly - that she wanted in the beginning to have more time for her and her husband alone. as couple, not that early as parents. she always blamed too little time with / for each other as one of the major factors for the bad turn their relationship took. she knew she would then have even less opportunity to travel with elvis.

so i think she uses lisa's birth as explanation and / or excuse for their marriage turning the wrong direction. since she wanted an abortion and elvis did not ...... the blame is on elvis, not on her (nothing new, the procedure of pointing finger, i mean!).

2/ for the same reason: it's an excuse why she took a lover barely 3 months after lisa's birth. she didn't want to have the child, he did. since he 'knew' nothing would happen any more in bed once she had given birth - it was kinda 'natural right' that she started sc****** around with her dance instructor. as the one to be blamed is ..... as usual .... DRUMROLL! ... elvis.

just my 2 pennies. what do you think of it?

hugs, ellie

[ksimms2]

missym,

i re-read the book about 2 months ago. two things come immediately to mind:

1/ she stated - kelly quotes below absolutely correctly - that she wanted in the beginning to have more time for her and her husband alone. as couple, not that early as parents. she always blamed too little time with / for each other as one of the major factors for the bad turn their relationship took. she knew she would then have even less opportunity to travel with elvis.

so i think she uses lisa's birth as explanation and / or excuse for their marriage turning the wrong direction. since she wanted an abortion and elvis did not ...... the blame is on elvis, not on her (nothing new, the procedure of pointing finger, i mean!).

2/ for the same reason: it's an excuse why she took a lover barely 3 months after lisa's birth. she didn't want to have the child, he did. since he 'knew' nothing would happen any more in bed once she had given birth - it was kinda 'natural right' that she started sc****** around with her dance instructor. as the one to be blamed is ..... as usual .... DRUMROLL! ... elvis.

just my 2 pennies. what do you think of it?

hugs, ellie

Pretty spot on I'd say Ellie.....(is that the right term?)

[presley31]

I think priscilla wrote that in her book cause to many people knew she didn't want lisa so why not be honest about it before your daughter hears it from others, but when she first felt lisa move she felt different and really felt what we mothers feel when we are preggers and feel the baby move. I sometimes wonder if elvis wasn't turned off by her maybe things might of been different.

[ksimms2]

I think priscilla wrote that in her book cause to many people knew she didn't want lisa so why not be honest about it before your daughter hears it from others, but when she first felt lisa move she felt different and really felt what we mothers feel when we are preggers and feel the baby move. I sometimes wonder if elvis wasn't turned off by her maybe things might of been different.

it's too bad Elvis felt the way he did about mom's - maybe his marriage could have been saved...?? Who knows though...it is a nice thought.

[MissyM]

I don't know Kelly. I guess it was just inevitable anyway. So much wrong in that marriage. Eventually Pricilla would have wanted a child. And if Elvis had issues about mothers-then what. I just think something would have eventually done it in. And why did she have to be home just because she was pregnant any way? Gees, it wouldn't have been strenuous. She wasn't the one doing the shows. I think these are just symtoms of a relationship that was very flawed and neither wanted to work it out. Sad.
But I still would have never let a soul know about that intent. I had a problem marriage too when I was pregnant. But my children know they were both very wanted by both of us.

[utmom2008]

Missy....it has always been my understanding that Pris wanted thrilled about the pregnancy at first. Can't remember which book it was....but I read that Elvis said he would back her in whatever her decision was. I'll scout around for the right book......

[Elvis_Priestly]

2/ for the same reason: it's an excuse why she took a lover barely 3 months after lisa's birth. she didn't want to have the child, he did. since he 'knew' nothing would happen any more in bed once she had given birth - it was kinda 'natural right' that she started sc****** around with her dance instructor. as the one to be blamed is ..... as usual .... DRUMROLL! ... elvis.

just my 2 pennies. what do you think of it?

hugs, ellie

I'd never heard of this till now Ellie, whats the source* for her having a lover three months later?

*(n.b. genuinley asking this isn't a "so whats your source!?" demand :p)

[tlcElvis]

Missy....it has always been my understanding that Pris wanted thrilled about the pregnancy at first. Can't remember which book it was....but I read that Elvis said he would back her in whatever her decision was. I'll scout around for the right book......

That's what I thought too. It has been a while since I read Priscilla's book but I think it came from there. I remember feeling so sorry for Lisa when I read that part. She had to have been hurt.

[utmom2008]

That's what I thought too. It has been a while since I read Priscilla's book but I think it came from there. I remember feeling so sorry for Lisa when I read that part. She had to have been hurt.
It might be in there as well, I'm not sure because I read her book a loooonnnnggg time ago. This came from a book that I've read in the last year...I'll look and see...

[Alessia]

Missy....it has always been my understanding that Pris wanted thrilled about the pregnancy at first. Can't remember which book it was....but I read that Elvis said he would back her in whatever her decision was. I'll scout around for the right book......

It probably was in Priscilla's book originally, but that's definitely in Guralnick's second volume of his Elvis biography. Priscilla didn't want to have a baby so early in the marriage.

I admit I'm skeptical of her account, which has Elvis basically telling her he'd be fine with her decision if she wanted an abortion. That doesn't ring true to me, particularly since Priscilla says Elvis was very happy about the pregnancy.

[utmom2008]

I admit I'm skeptical of her account, which has Elvis basically telling her he'd be fine with her decision if she wanted an abortion. That doesn't ring true to me, particularly since Priscilla says Elvis was very happy about the pregnancy.

OK....I knew I wasn't delusional.:D I did think about that at the time I read it. It's hard to see him being so "OK" with an abortion. And.....this was back in the day when abortions were really controversial.:supriced::supriced:

[MissyM]

And not legal either! Not till 1973! Yeh, I don't think Elvis would have ever said, whatever!

[utmom2008]

And not legal either! Not till 1973! Yeh, I don't think Elvis would have ever said, whatever!
Very true! Very illegal in 1968. Women were still sneaking around in back alley's seeing "quack" Drs.

[ksimms2]

It probably was in Priscilla's book originally, but that's definitely in Guralnick's second volume of his Elvis biography. Priscilla didn't want to have a baby so early in the marriage.

I admit I'm skeptical of her account, which has Elvis basically telling her he'd be fine with her decision if she wanted an abortion. That doesn't ring true to me, particularly since Priscilla says Elvis was very happy about the pregnancy.

depending on who you believe - he wasn't exactly thrilled himself. I heard he wasn't ready to be strapped down and also wanted a boy instead of a girl. I can't remember if it was "Revelations" or "EWH" or which book I read that in. But like I said - it just depends on who you believe.

[presley31]

depending on who you believe - he wasn't exactly thrilled himself. I heard he wasn't ready to be strapped down and also wanted a boy instead of a girl. I can't remember if it was "Revelations" or "EWH" or which book I read that in. But like I said - it just depends on who you believe.

I'am pretty sure its in the revelations, l won't go in to detail but it looks like they both weren't ready for lisa so soon.

[Alessia]

depending on who you believe - he wasn't exactly thrilled himself. I heard he wasn't ready to be strapped down and also wanted a boy instead of a girl. I can't remember if it was "Revelations" or "EWH" or which book I read that in. But like I said - it just depends on who you believe.

Yes, that's the problem with all of these accounts. They're all the product of memory and perception. And if Elvis had lived to write his own book, he might have had a very different take on events.

But I still can't imagine Elvis having a "whatever you want" response to his wife saying she wanted an abortion.

[riley]

me neither to be honnest

[presley31]

Yes, that's the problem with all of these accounts. They're all the product of memory and perception. And if Elvis had lived to write his own book, he might have had a very different take on events.

But I still can't imagine Elvis having a "whatever you want" response to his wife saying she wanted an abortion.

i don't think he would of stayed with her if she did do that his baby, but he knew that she wasn't ready for that big step, so maybe thats why he mentioned it cause he knew she wouldn't of gone though with it.

[EDOEP]

I'd never heard of this till now Ellie, whats the source* for her having a lover three months later?

*(n.b. genuinley asking this isn't a "so whats your source!?" demand :p)

conor,

her book 'elvis & me' .... since i am in bavaria at present i don't have it at hand. when back i'll scan the pages for you. if i'm lucky and find the time, it's available in the munich public library.

hugs, ellie

PS i don't mind at all being asked for sources :P. usually i can provide them (resp. in this case: submit them). you know that i am a big fan of quoting the sources.

[utmom2008]

I heard he wasn't ready to be strapped down and also wanted a boy instead of a girl. The "boy or girl" issue wouldn't have had any bearing on an abortion though. The medical field was still years and years away from being able to determine a sex. I can't imagine him being "disappointed" after Lisa was born....:hmm::supriced:

[presley31]

whatever the case may be l guess priscilla had her reasons and elvis had his for not wanting to be with woman with kids.

[Alessia]

The "boy or girl" issue wouldn't have had any bearing on an abortion though. The medical field was still years and years away from being able to determine a sex. I can't imagine being "disappointed" after Lisa was born...

Particularly since Elvis liked girls so much. :lol:

[EDOEP]

Pretty spot on I'd say Ellie.....(is that the right term?)

kelly,

if you mean that it 'hits the nail on its head' ... you chose the right term (y).

hugs, ellie

(since i'm growing old :lol: and my poor brain is overfilled with stuff to remember every day, i wouldn't have remembered it probably one year from now. but 2 months .... OK, even my memory manages that :lmfao:. i had read that book a long time ago; the 'abortion discussion' i must have kinda forgotten. so when i re-read it, i asked myself exactly what missym asks: WHY on earth does one mention SUCH an incident?)

[Diane]

I can't see Elvis agreeing to an abortion at all and I don't believe in his "Madonna " complex. They were having problems long before and he just wasn't as interested in her as she wanted him to be. Better in her mind to say it was "his problem" than "he didn't want me".

Diane

[KPM]

You're in the clear now, Missy. Didn't want to see you sitting on 666 posts for too long, that's all. :lol:

Stay on topic, Lonnie.
Good advice(y)

[riley]

quote Diane

I can't see Elvis agreeing to an abortion at all and I don't believe in his "Madonna " complex. They were having problems long before and he just wasn't as interested in her as she wanted him to be. Better in her mind to say it was "his problem" than "he didn't want me".




end quote


You may be very right here Diane.

[MissyM]

All I remember is that he told Vernon they weren't planning on a baby so soon but he was happy anyway. (from what I read) But that is entirely different than telling her he'd be ok with an abortion.

[KPM]

Well what you say to your father-just might not be what you'd say to your wife in private. I wonder, if its true she considered it- how serious the thought was by Priscilla about abortion? Passing thought mentioned to Elvis, or weeks of consideration. IMO Perhaps Elvis knew she would never go through with it and was just trying to wait until she came to the decision he knew she would come to.

[Diane]

Hopefully that's the way it went, but she should never have put it in her book for her daughter to see no matter what the circumstances.

Diane

[MissyM]

And something like that is why something that serious should not have been said in her book then IMO. It's too vague and leaves people wondering so much. So again why did she have to put the tid bit in her book. I don't think for a moment she need to tell the world. If she was afraid to tell Lisa then she should have told her in private. (although I wouldn't have) If it came out by way of someone else I would have explained it to her then. I'm telling you, if it was me, I would not have been happy about my mother telling the world that, about me.

Diane, I must have been typing the same time you were! LOL

[presley31]

And something like that is why something that serious should not have been said in her book then IMO. It's too vague and leaves people wondering so much. So again why did she have to put the tid bit in her book. I don't think for a moment she need to tell the world. If she was afraid to tell Lisa then she should have told her in private. (although I wouldn't have) If it came out by way of someone else I would have explained it to her then. I'm telling you, if it was me, I would not have been happy about my mother telling the world that, about me.

Diane, I must have been typing the same time you were! LOL

Thats the thing Missy your not her and to be honest we will never know why she does the things she does or say, but we all have reasons for the things we do, we might think it was wrong but maybe priscilla thought it was right thing to do at the time.

[utmom2008]

And something like that is why something that serious should not have been said in her book then IMO. I'm telling you, if it was me, I would not have been happy about my mother telling the world that, about me.

I agree with you totally Missy. Telling the world that piece of info was thoughtless on her end..IMO. I can't understand why she felt it was neccesary. And, yes, I would have been hurt to find out something like that about my Mother..:blush:

[presley31]

who knows, l wrote lots of things about my personal life here and the world reads it so not much difference to priscilla l suppose.

[Diane]

I think so too Missy, and you added the part I was thinking of mentioning as well but decided to leave out, about telling Lisa in private.:)

There is also one other mention from one of the MM in one of their books, so long since I've read them I can't quote which one, that Priscilla scared them riding her horse so hard in the first stages of her pregnancy.....was she defying Elvis trying for a miscarriage or what? Hate to think she would have gone that far. No wonder Lisa is so full of tumult even now not with just that but with all she's heard true or twisted, it had to do quite a number on her head.

Diane

[utmom2008]

who knows, l wrote lots of things about my personal life here and the world reads it so not much difference to priscilla l suppose.
I think that's like comparing apples with oranges. To start with...you are posting here under a made-up name, posting to people with a made-up name. And.....I doubt that you are married to a 20th century icon that the whole world is interested in. Now...if you tell us that you are married to Brad Pitt we might pay closer attention....;):D

[presley31]

I think so too Missy, and you added the part I was thinking of mentioning as well but decided to leave out, about telling Lisa in private.:)

There is also one other mention from one of the MM in one of their books, so long since I've read them I can't quote which one, that Priscilla scared them riding her horse so hard in the first stages of her pregnancy.....was she defying Elvis trying for a miscarriage or what? Hate to think she would have gone that far. No wonder Lisa is so full of tumult even now not with just that but with all she's heard true or twisted, it had to do quite a number on her head.

Diane

Dee's book said that about priscilla trying to have a miscarriage, but l don't believe a word out of her mouth.

[presley31]

I think that's like comparing apples with oranges. To start with...you are posting here under a made-up name, posting to people with a made-up name. And.....I doubt that you are married to a 20th century icon that the whole world is interested in. Now...if you tell us that you are married to Brad Pitt we might pay closer attention....;):D

that is true, but if l was married to brad pitt well you can pm me for stories :lol:

[hgs262626]

in elvis by the prelsey she says it took me a while to get over the fact i was pregnant does this help???

[cameron]

FROM 'Cilla's BOOK....

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/cillsbook.jpg

[presley31]

in elvis by the prelsey she says it took me a while to get over the fact i was pregnant does this help???

Thanks

I can say when l found out l was preagant l have mixed feelings cause all these feelings came about being a good mother and am l able to give my kid a good life, l was scared and unsure of what was going to happen once l had the baby, but l never thought about not having the baby, he was my joy, just scared is all.

[hgs262626]

wow! idnt know that

[hgs262626]

does lisa know?

[presley31]

does lisa know?


yep she does, priscilla wrote the book for her

[cameron]

ELVIS WASN'T EXACTLY THE PERFECT HUSBAND OR EXPECTANT FATHER EITHER .....

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/zorahday/cilla2.jpg

[john carpenter]

I've never heard "the abortion story" but i'm glad she didn't because lisa is the only good think to ever come of their marraige.

[presley31]

guess we could all say good thing priscilla came to her senses and gone though with the pregancy. lisa is the closest we have to elvis besides billy.

[Diane]

Both excerpts from the book remind me too much of the movie Elvis and Me and gives me the heebie jeebies. In fact the whole book made me cringe. I just can't take anything Priscilla says as gospel. I cannot believe that if he was as bad as the book and movie that she stayed at Graceland that long and then married him....it does not "compute" to me at all.

Diane

[presley31]

woman do stupid things when they love someone sometimes.

[Alessia]

Both excerpts from the book remind me too much of the movie Elvis and Me and gives me the heebie jeebies. In fact the whole book made me cringe. I just can't take anything Priscilla says as gospel. I cannot believe that if he was as bad as the book and movie that she stayed at Graceland that long and then married him....it does not "compute" to me at all.

I read an interview with Priscilla (can't remember where, unfortunately) in which she said that the publisher wasn't happy with the first draft of her book, because it didn't have enough shocking things in it.

Which is another problem with the Elvis book industry: that's what sells.

[KPM]

I agree with you totally Missy. Telling the world that piece of info was thoughtless on her end..IMO. I can't understand why she felt it was neccesary. And, yes, I would have been hurt to find out something like that about my Mother..:blush:
I don't know why she would include it, perhaps she felt it was honest to admit the thought entered her mind. Or maybe it would add to the spice of the book. Its hard to understand why someone does things which seem better not done at all.

[cameron]

I didn't like the book or the movie and found descrepencies in both.
However, that is what's in the printed word. ;)

[ksimms2]

I didn't like the book or the movie and found descrepencies in both.
However, that is what's in the printed word. ;)

I HATED the movie - so when my friend bought me the book, figured right away I'd hate it - but honestly I didn't - I actually liked it. I thought the movie turned Elvis into more of a monster than the book did.

[SweetCaroline]

Both excerpts from the book remind me too much of the movie Elvis and Me and gives me the heebie jeebies. In fact the whole book made me cringe. I just can't take anything Priscilla says as gospel. I cannot believe that if he was as bad as the book and movie that she stayed at Graceland that long and then married him....it does not "compute" to me at all.

Diane

Ditto! Somehow it reads like fiction and I have never appreciated the airing of VERY PRIVATE LAUNDRY!

[Dovey]

I may be a little off topic here, but I am reading Michael Edwards Book Priscilla, Elvis and Me and she did have a abortion when she was living with him. Hmm makes ya wonder about her!! Dovey

[MissyM]

I thought just that exerpt posted reminded me of a fairy tale. How does one remember exact conversations. Good golly, it was so lovey dovey and then months later it was in the pits??? If there was that much love how did it go so wrong so fast. I mean by all accounts she write like they wereso concerned, caring, in tune with each other, and communicating well. What the heck??
Every time I try to figure her my head spins.

[presley31]

I may be a little off topic here, but I am reading Michael Edwards Book Priscilla, Elvis and Me and she did have a abortion when she was living with him. Hmm makes ya wonder about her!! Dovey


yep after learning he had the hots for lisa.

[Unique Dog]

Here we are again discussing the woman that most don`t like. :)

[presley31]

I thought just that exerpt posted reminded me of a fairy tale. How does one remember exact conversations. Good golly, it was so lovey dovey and then months later it was in the pits??? If there was that much love how did it go so wrong so fast. I mean by all accounts she write like they wereso concerned, caring, in tune with each other, and communicating well. What the heck??
Every time I try to figure her my head spins.

Jerry did say that elvis saw priscilla more than he did when he was married to her, so makes you wonder what was going on there?

[presley31]

Here we are again discussing the woman that most don`t like. :)

yep l guess some have many questions:hmm:

[Broussey]

THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS IN HER BOOK "ELVIS AND ME" ON PAGE 250

A few days after i learned i was pregnancy, we left Memphis for L.A when elvis was ti begin preproduction on a few film speedway.It was to be the last drive in out customized bus before it was sold.During the trip,Elvis and the guys had a ball,punching each other and playing practical jokes.I played photographer, clicking away at everyone but when i kept smiling and laughing i still felt very ambivalent about my pregnancy. i wanted a baby ,just not so soon
Elvis was extremely sensitive to my moods. He missed his little girl's " twinkling eyes" her "bright smiling face" . Finally ,in flagstaff, Arizona at a small roadside inn, he sat me down and said" What do you want to do little one ?" I broke down and answered," I don't know. "What can i do?"
"what do you think?" He said. "I'll back you up whatever you want to do"
Instantly i knew what he was talking about . He was leaving the decision up to me." Its our baby'" i said sobbing."I could never live with myself, neither could you"
There was no words,only his smile of approval:he held me tightly in his arm as i cried. The two of us bound by love,accepted our new little creation whole and heartily.

TO ME IN HER BOOK SHE THOUGHT IT HE SAID IT.... ( THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF HER BOOK) And did she not have a affair like when Lisa was 2 just b4 they went to Hawaii for the pearl harbor thing thats what i thought but i could be wrong:hmm:

[utmom2008]

I thought just that exerpt posted reminded me of a fairy tale. How does one remember exact conversations. Good golly, it was so lovey dovey and then months later it was in the pits??? If there was that much love how did it go so wrong so fast. I mean by all accounts she write like they wereso concerned, caring, in tune with each other, and communicating well. What the heck??
Every time I try to figure her my head spins.
I agree with you Missy. That book reads like some cheesy version of a Sandra Brown novel...it sounds like a soap opera script. No one "talks" like that...with such dramatic moments. All we need to go with it is some organ music in the background....;)

[presley31]

i have to say l like elvis and me book but thats just my opinion.

[tlcElvis]

yep after learning he had the hots for lisa.

I thought she stayed with him for a time even after she found out he was attracted to Lisa. I read the book a long time ago but I thought Mike went into Lisa's room while she was sleeping and lifted the covers. Lisa told Priscilla but she did not break up with him right away.

Dovey, have you gotten to that part yet? Just curious, I could be way off on this one.

[Broussey]

i have to say l like elvis and me book but thats just my opinion.


I liked it too(y)

[presley31]

I thought she stayed with him for a time even after she found out he was attracted to Lisa. I read the book a long time ago but I thought Mike went into Lisa's room while she was sleeping and lifted the covers. Lisa told Priscilla but she did not break up with him right away.

Dovey, have you gotten to that part yet? Just curious, I could be way off on this one.

been awhile since l read though the book, but not sure but l think they broke up not to long after that when lisa and priscilla confronted him.

tryed to google it but no infromation, but anyhow l think she should of left him and throw his bags out. i wish some people back than took there children more serious about that kinda stuff

[Elvis_Priestly]

Michael Edwards? Had never heard of him until tonight. But having a look around the internet it looks like he was desiring Lisa when she was a kid???

Unwanted pregnancy. Parent's divorce. Father's erratic behaviour. Father's death. Mother's predatory and paedophile lover. Mother's tell all book, etc.. etc...
Good grief! How could anyone then ever sit in judgement on this poor woman Lisa-Marie - that's a story that needs more than a considerable amount of counselling and at least understanding/sympathy.

[Diane]

My sentiments exactly Conor. She may be a little rich girl with a famous daddy but boy she came by it hard!

Diane

[cameron]

Michael Edwards? Had never heard of him until tonight. But having a look around the internet it looks like he was desiring Lisa when she was a kid???

Unwanted pregnancy. Parent's divorce. Father's erratic behaviour. Father's death. Mother's predatory and paedophile lover. Mother's tell all book, etc.. etc...
Good grief! How could anyone then ever sit in judgement on this poor woman Lisa-Marie - that's a story that needs more than a considerable amount of counselling and at least understanding/sympathy.

I agree, Conor and one reason I've always cut Lisa some slack.
She might have been rich, but her life was no picnic.

[BabiGurl88]

i have to say l like elvis and me book but thats just my opinion.


Yea me too...And i love the movie too

[EDOEP]

who knows, l wrote lots of things about my personal life here and the world reads it so not much difference to priscilla l suppose.

well, in your case some members were wondering as well why you felt the urgent need to share ... :hmm:.

assume that's the ONLY point that you and cilla have in common :).

[EDOEP]

Here we are again discussing the woman that most don`t like. :)

that's why we discuss it .... to unveil all the discrepancies to those with dark-rosy-red-coloured specs :)

[Suzan]

Very good point EDOEP! :D

Pris & Edwards split in 1985. He stated in his book that she had had an abortion. :)

Discussions are just that, discussions and if the topic matter is not to one's liking no need to post, irregardless if the person likes, or dislikes, the individual being discussed.:):D

[riley]

quote Elvis Priestly

Unwanted pregnancy. Parent's divorce. Father's erratic behaviour. Father's death. Mother's predatory and paedophile lover. Mother's tell all book, etc.. etc...
Good grief! How could anyone then ever sit in judgement on this poor woman Lisa-Marie - that's a story that needs more than a considerable amount of counselling and at least understanding/sympa



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very good posting(y)(y)

[MissyM]

I must admit that in Pricilla's movie (did not read book yet) there was information that I found interesting. But my mind was tainted prior by family information about her-ok, I'll admit it-I was told she was a gold-digger before the divorce-but you can call that hearsay. (BTW-it was not Billy's mother who told me that opinion) The problem is that, she pretty much lived up to it. But what I found about it is that there is a sub-theme going on. She was in love with him, she was devoted to him, he was the bad guy, she had no freedom (sorry she had enough to have affairs). And if the part is true that he did stand by her decision, then her dominating husband even gave her the freedom to choose life or no for their child. What is wrong with this? Per usual, it is so conflicting. Let's see, he'd tell her how to where her hair and what clothes to wear, but not take a stand on the pregnancy?? I find that most odd.
Now as far as the story/book/movie: while it is said that the publisher thought that the book wasn't quite dramatic enough to sell, and a rewrite was in order, why not tell the publisher, "sorry, can't go there". Again it's everyone else's fault not hers. Her tale of woe was me, frankly gets tiring. And I will go so far as to say that the whole excuse of not wanting to be pregnant also, heaps a lot of blame on the poor child. Think about it? Got pregnant, could not build a foundation to my marriage, cause my husband to make me have to stay home, caused him to not want me sexually, cause me to eventually get a divorce, caused him to turn to other women for satisfaction. Again, why put that on a child??? Because for the simple fact that at the core, she doesn't want it put upon her. She moved in with him, she failed to use protection, and probably did him like a cat in heat. (not that I wouldn't LOL) Does that make her a montster-no. As said-people make mistakes. But some day, people need to hold themselves accountable for them and not place the whole burden on two of the people she says she loved so much. I wouldn't want her to love me!

[riley]

quote Missy

And I will go so far as to say that the whole excuse of not wanting to be pregnant also, heaps a lot of blame on the poor child. Think about it? Got pregnant, could not build a foundation to my marriage, cause my husband to make me have to stay home, caused him to not want me sexually, cause me to eventually get a divorce, caused him to turn to other women for satisfaction. Again, why put that on a child???



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(y)(y)(y)





quoue Missy

As said-people make mistakes. But some day, people need to hold themselves accountable for them and not place the whole burden on two of the people she says she loved so much. I wouldn't want her to love me!



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[U.S. Male]

As my colleague Lonniebealestreet mentioned at the start of this thread, "lets stay on topic!" :cop:


Seams we are drifting in to water that contains sharks....back to the subject, and keep it "civil". :cop:

[Unique Dog]

that's why we discuss it .... to unveil all the discrepancies to those with dark-rosy-red-coloured specs :)


It reminds me of a couple of women getting together and gossiping about the one who isn`t there. It`s never been my cup of tea. ;)
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Discussions are just that, discussions and if the topic matter is not to one's liking no need to post, irregardless if the person likes, or dislikes, the individual being discussed


Reading what others are thinking can be very amusing. It can also be very helpful, depending on the topic of discussion...:)

[cameron]

It reminds me of a couple of women getting together and gossiping about the one who isn`t there. It`s never been my cup of tea. ;)
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Reading what others are thinking can be very amusing. It can also be very helpful, depending on the topic of discussion...:)

I agree, UD on the "gossiping." :blink:

A good topic discussion can be a lot of fun and informative.
IMO, the "abortion issue" never was a problem to me. That was almost 40 years ago and certainly just between the two of them.
I did wonder when I read that book if it bothered Lisa and why she added that. I have the book and haven't taken the time to go back through all she said. If I remember correctly, I think Priscilla said she just wanted to tell her story as it happened....for Lisa.
Priscilla did tell of her short "affair " with her dance instructor. IMO, she probably should have just had a long talk with Lisa and let the public think what they want.
It is, after all their personal life and they're entitled to keep it private IMO.

[utmom2008]

She was in love with him, she was devoted to him, he was the bad guy, she had no freedom (sorry she had enough to have affairs). And if the part is true that he did stand by her decision, then her dominating husband even gave her the freedom to choose life or no for their child. What is wrong with this? Per usual, it is so conflicting. Let's see, he'd tell her how to where her hair and what clothes to wear, but not take a stand on the pregnancy?? I find that most odd.
And I will go so far as to say that the whole excuse of not wanting to be pregnant also, heaps a lot of blame on the poor child. Think about it? Got pregnant, could not build a foundation to my marriage, cause my husband to make me have to stay home, caused him to not want me sexually, cause me to eventually get a divorce, caused him to turn to other women for satisfaction. Again, why put that on a child??? Because for the simple fact that at the core, she doesn't want it put upon her. But some day, people need to hold themselves accountable for them and not place the whole burden on two of the people she says she loved so much. I wouldn't want her to love me!

You certainly make some interesting points Missy....they seem to be very well thought out and have alot of credability...IMO.:notworthy:king:

[utmom2008]

Priscilla did tell of her short "affair " with her dance instructor. IMO, she probably should have just had a long talk with Lisa and let the public think what they want.
It is, after all their personal life and they're entitled to keep it private IMO.

I keep going back to a question that "Dear Abbey" would use in her column. She always said that not all of our private mistakes need to be told...to anyone. She would always say that before you tell something private you should ask yourself 2 questions........
1. By telling this am I helping anybody?
2. By telling this am I hurting anybody?
Her point was.....don't tell something simply for the reason of clearing your own conscience. ;);)

[cameron]

I keep going back to a question that "Dear Abbey" would use in her column. She always said that not all of our private mistakes need to be told...to anyone. She would always say that before you tell something private you should ask yourself 2 questions........
1. By telling this am I helping anybody?
2. By telling this am I hurting anybody?
Her point was.....don't tell something simply for the reason of clearing your own conscience. ;);)

I agree with that. As I said; IMO, she should have just sit down and talked to her daughter . Her book was published 23 years ago. I'm sure she's had time to regret some things. She should have been more like Lisa ...and told everyone to f*** off . :P

[utmom2008]

She should have been more like Lisa ...and told everyone to f*** off . :P

I totally agree with you on that one....100%.:supriced:(y)

[Suzan]

Really? I find that hard to believe, matter of fact I don't. ROF

A discussion is a discussion irregardless...that's what forums are.:D I always find it amusing, espescially w/a couple on here. LOL :D

[Suzan]

quote Elvis Priestly

Unwanted pregnancy. Parent's divorce. Father's erratic behaviour. Father's death. Mother's predatory and paedophile lover. Mother's tell all book, etc.. etc...
Good grief! How could anyone then ever sit in judgement on this poor woman Lisa-Marie - that's a story that needs more than a considerable amount of counselling and at least understanding/sympa



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very good posting(y)(y)

Excellent posting! (y)

[Unique Dog]

Really? I find that hard to believe, matter of fact I don't. ROF

A discussion is a discussion irregardless...that's what forums are.:D I always find it amusing, espescially w/a couple on here. LOL :D


When you post like this, you need to clarify who you are responding too....even though we both know who it is. :) Don`t worry, this is my last post on this thread. :)

[Suzan]

jeez. :lmfao:

[MissyM]

Please define gossip and discussion and how a topic falls into either category?? Please draw the line and then maybe I won't jump over next time. (emphasis on maybe)
Everyone who ever wrote anything about Elvis feeds the curious mind. That in itself, is and has always been a very effective sales tool. Now if no one wanted their words to be examined, discerned, and discussed then they should not have spoken or written them. I say that about them all no matter who they are.
Pricilla brought up the subject matter, and yet we are wrong for discussing it???

[Suzan]

Please define gossip and discussion and how a topic falls into either category?? Please draw the line and then maybe I won't jump over next time. (emphasis on maybe)
Everyone who ever wrote anything about Elvis feeds the curious mind. That in itself, is and has always been a very effective sales tool. Now if no one wanted their words to be examined, discerned, and discussed then they should not have spoken or written them. I say that about them all no matter who they are.
Pricilla brought up the subject matter, and yet we are wrong for discussing it???

(y)(y) I completely agree w/you on this Missy...and like someone has said numerous times if the topic of the thread is not to your liking, don't post, very simple.:):D

[KPM]

Please define gossip and discussion and how a topic falls into either category?? Please draw the line and then maybe I won't jump over next time. (emphasis on maybe)
Everyone who ever wrote anything about Elvis feeds the curious mind. That in itself, is and has always been a very effective sales tool. Now if no one wanted their words to be examined, discerned, and discussed then they should not have spoken or written them. I say that about them all no matter who they are. Pricilla brought up the subject matter, and yet we are wrong for discussing it???
Today people who work for, or have close contact with stars and entertainers are more and more having to sign "non-disclosure contracts" which bar them from writing, or commenting about the stars they work for.
If I could take "my time machine" and go back I would recommend that Elvis have all employees, relatives and acquaintances sign such agreements. Not because I think they all lie about everything, but because Elvis has no say in the matters of his life. I have always said I do not know what his version would be, nor if he would disagree or agree with most accounts of his life. His feelings about the people around him, his motivations, his fears, his explantions of the things we discuss daily-he could say "Heres what I was thinging" "Heres who I trusted" "This is what I felt medically was wrong"."this is why I did this".................Unfortunately my time machine is on the fritz.

[Lonniebealestreet]

You can borrow mine, KPM.

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And defying every logic known, I wish the time machine could take me back again. :king:

(Keeping it on-topic, you know.)

[KPM]

You can borrow mine, KPM.

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And defying every logic known, I wish the time machine could take me back again. :king:

(Keeping it on-topic, you know.)
Thanks for the loan.;):D

[Lonniebealestreet]

You're welcome. Just don't try going back to 1982.

[Getlo]

If I could take "my time machine" and go back I would recommend that Elvis have all employees, relatives and acquaintances sign such agreements. Not because I think they all lie about everything, but because Elvis has no say in the matters of his life.

You cannot have a "non-disclosure" contract that extends after the celebrity's death!