1971-74-Why a lack of soundboards?

[EP75]

Why do we have soundboards of so many shows from the worst year of EP's life (1976-77) but very few from the best year's post 1970? We already know about the phenominal Boston Garden show in 1971. But why no other tour show from November on soundboard? Why nothing but the NY and April tours recorded by RCA from 1972? Why nothing from 1973 but Aloha? And in 1974 we only have the RCA recorded Memphis concerts and the fantastic Richmond show (Guaranteed To Blow Your Mind). I don't buy the excuse that they recorded more shows in soundboard from 1975 on up than they did the first few years. If they recorded the Boston show then they had to record other from that tour. Why not the Houston Astrodome in February 1970? As big a event as this was (originally planned to be the real world wide broadcast but EP was uncomfortable doing it live on television in such a huge building) it would only make sense to have recorded the shows at least by audio even if not by RCA.

I know this might be wishful thinking here, but something tells me those shows were recorded professionally and that they're out there somewhere in the wrong hands. As is other unknown shows like Los Angeles 1970, Atlanta or Nashville July 1973, Maybe Philadelphia or Omaha 1974, and Nassau July 1975. Maybe someday those of us still living will see an official shock wave release of one of these great shows, if not all of 'em.(y)

[rocknroll]

Why do we have soundboards of so many shows from the worst year of EP's life (1976-77) but very few from the best year's post 1970? We already know about the phenominal Boston Garden show in 1971. But why no other tour show from November on soundboard? Why nothing but the NY and April tours recorded by RCA from 1972? Why nothing from 1973 but Aloha? And in 1974 we only have the RCA recorded Memphis concerts and the fantastic Richmond show (Guaranteed To Blow Your Mind). I don't buy the excuse that they recorded more shows in soundboard from 1975 on up than they did the first few years. If they recorded the Boston show then they had to record other from that tour. Why not the Houston Astrodome in February 1970? As big a event as this was (originally planned to be the real world wide broadcast but EP was uncomfortable doing it live on television in such a huge building) it would only make sense to have recorded the shows at least by audio even if not by RCA.

I know this might be wishful thinking here, but something tells me those shows were recorded professionally and that they're out there somewhere in the wrong hands. As is other unknown shows like Los Angeles 1970, Atlanta or Nashville July 1973, Maybe Philadelphia or Omaha 1974, and Nassau July 1975. Maybe someday those of us still living will see an official shock wave release of one of these great shows, if not all of 'em.(y)

Or maybe that televised show from Easter 1974. :)

[EP75]

Yeah Ian Anderson should know about that one.LOL

[poormansgold]

In total there are about two hundred soundboard recordings from the 1969 - 1977 concert era available. BMG will not release all soundboards, because many shows are the same (set list). The main goal is to cover all Las Vegas, Tahoe and seventies concert tours on one CD per concert tour. If an tour contains enough interesting material available (like August 1974 when Elvis completely rearranged his repertoire before turning it back three days later) they may release more CD's from that season.

[thehillbillycat]

In total there are about two hundred soundboard recordings from the 1969 - 1977 concert era available. BMG will not release all soundboards, because many shows are the same (set list). The main goal is to cover all Las Vegas, Tahoe and seventies concert tours on one CD per concert tour. If an tour contains enough interesting material available (like August 1974 when Elvis completely rearranged his repertoire before turning it back three days later) they may release more CD's from that season.


Exactly, every show wasn't recorded. Only around 200 of the shows was recordedby either RCA or Elvis' sound engineer. That is it.

EP75 - I want to let you know that right now. Only a few shows from 1973 and 1974 was recorded by the sound engineer. But the only that you name like Omaha 74 or Philadelphia 74 is highly unlikely that those shows was recorded.

[Jungleroom76]

If an tour contains enough interesting material available (like August 1974 when Elvis completely rearranged his repertoire before turning it back three days later) they may release more CD's from that season.

I don't remember where I read it (sorry about that), but I do remember reading that Ernst had mentioned the possibility of an FTD box set focusing on Elvis' August/September '74 Las Vegas engagement because of the widely varied set lists that Elvis used during that engagement.

TCB!
Mike

[EP75]

Everything's always Las Vegas with Ernst and RCA. I'm tired of the Vegas stuff. The audience sounds dead and even bored. No wonder EP didn't want to play there after 1976. He was definitely burnt out on Vegas by then. I can't understand why RCA is holding back the phenomenal Hampton show. There's not been a live tour show in single disc form since An Afternoon In The Garden back in 1997. You would think by now that they would have released it commercially.

[Frankieg]

Everything's always Las Vegas with Ernst and RCA. I'm tired of the Vegas stuff.

You've claimed on many occassions, on other Elvis message boards, that you don't even own many Elvis releases to begin with, so why the constant moaning here ???

Double standard ...


You would think by now that they would have released it commercially.

How many times must you be schooled that BMG wants to, and hopes to, release the April 1972 "On Tour" concert material in a timed juncture with Warner when they release the DVD ??? :doh:

[EDOEP]

You've claimed on many occassions, on other Elvis message boards, that you don't even own many Elvis releases to begin with, so why the constant moaning here ???

Double standard ...



How many times must you be schooled that BMG wants to, and hopes to, release the April 1972 "On Tour" concert material in a timed juncture with Warner when they release the DVD ??? :doh:

frankieg,

(y).

he / she must be schooled maaaaaaaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyyy times .... before finally getting it (at all, if we're lucky). other threads show he / she will obviously never get it, no matter in how many threads on the same he / she is being explained.

i for my part own about 3,000 :) elvis-releases and i don't care a s**t if they are FTDs, bootlegs or whatever and who releases them. as long as they ARE released. i think sooner or later ALL of the material will surface, as long as a few bucks can be made.

what is not explained in that 'theory' by the threadstarter: WHY RCA / BMG should share with sillerman. i mean, what's going to be their gain? gain is the only goal in business.

so even if sillerman WANTED to get his hands on the music rights ...... why should the current owners let him come aboard? because of his pretty blue eyes?

wonder if anybody else can explain that to me ...

hugs, ellie

[Getlo]

The fact is that soundboard releases will be more scarce from now on, and will eventually cease altogether.

FTD will never release the amount they have. If the majority of the rest of the soundboards do come out, it will be via "other" methods.

Soundboard releases are simply too expensive to produce: the musicians have to be paid for their work at today's scale rates.

[EDOEP]

The fact is that soundboard releases will be more scarce from now on, and will eventually cease altogether.

FTD will never release the amount they have. If the majority of the rest of the soundboards do come out, it will be via "other" methods.

Soundboard releases are simply too expensive to produce: the musicians have to be paid for their work at today's scale rates.

again, i agree with you - the ways of distribution will change dramatically to MP3s (or other formats) and to downloads instead of manufacturing CDs (or DVDs).

commerce is all about minimisation of costs and maximisation of profits.

what cannot be cut is the price of acquiring material (rights for it) & the costs for remastering (technicians & musicians & artwork).

what can completely be avoided are the costs for

- material,
- burning the discs,
- printing the covers,
- packaging,
- keeping inventory in the warehouse,
- transportation from the fab to the warehouse and from there to the retailer
- and the retail costs.

if you can completely cut these costs down to the 2 basics even a soundboard should become profitable again. on this basis even maybe the remaining FTD material could be released.

i think as main target group for CDs / DVDs as 'hardware' sooner or later there will solely remain the older fans who are more or less 'computer / internet illiterate' and hence depend on a disc they simply insert into the player. this group of fans however is the one closest to 'extinction' from natural causes.

the younger fans are used to mastering the computer and the internet; downloading / burning etc. is every day stuff for them. the same applies to those of the 'older' followers who ARE 'die hards' - they are motivated enough to learn these procedures.

why will the releases on discs not last for much longer? because the above mentioned fans of the 'old fashioned kind' anyway are not the 'die hard fans' who want to possess every single outtake / every little video clip.

hugs, ellie

[poormansgold]

The fact is that soundboard releases will be more scarce from now on, and will eventually cease altogether.

FTD will never release the amount they have. If the majority of the rest of the soundboards do come out, it will be via "other" methods.

Soundboard releases are simply too expensive to produce: the musicians have to be paid for their work at today's scale rates.

You Are right on last line the musicians needed get paid, but You work with or for Elvis You get Paid For 1977 Wages Not Today's Rates. Elvis paid is same as it was in 1977 and so the musicians whom play with him. few them had work out new deal with Sony/Bmg, That's the trouble is, they have too ffind or found the person to paid them first before they release them.
Tom

[Getlo]

again, i agree with you - the ways of distribution will change dramatically to MP3s (or other formats) and to downloads instead of manufacturing CDs (or DVDs).

That's not what I meant.

By "other" methods, I meant that the soundboards would see the light of day as CDs via bootleggers and sympathetic BMG/EPE staffers.

CDs will be around for a very long time, there's no doubt about that. Those who have predicted the demise of CDs are the same type of people who predicted the death of movies when TV came along or, more recently, the death of the newspaper when the internet expanded into news services.

MP3s etc are all well and good to get songs onto your PC or MP3 players or whatever (I've no idea what an MP3 is, or a Wii etc, and I have no desire to find out, so please don't explain it to me!) but they will not replace the CD. Like LPs used to be, people still like to hold something physical in their hands, and have that sense of "ownership" - which, of course, is nowhere near as strong as that associated with LPs and singles.

And like vinyl, CDs will reign supreme for a very long time to come. (They just need to expand the capacity by more than the usual 78 mins or so! ;))

[Getlo]

You get Paid For 1977 Wages Not Today's Rates.

Sorry Tom, but musicians are required to be paid at today's rates, not 1977 (or whichever year we're talking about).

[poormansgold]

[QUOTE=EDOEP;172618]

the younger fans are used to mastering the computer and the internet; downloading / burning etc. is every day stuff for them. the same applies to those of the 'older' followers who ARE 'die hards' - they are motivated enough to learn these procedures.

why will the releases on discs not last for much longer? because the above mentioned fans of the 'old fashioned kind' anyway are not the 'die hard fans' who want to possess every single outtake / every little video clip.

Know what as A die hard fan, I don't want little outtakes or Home Recordings and every show was recorded, what they got have been releases, liked opening show of august 19th 1974, that sure had release on FTD years ago, it wasn't because was release on bootleg.
liked August 13th 1970 DS we know they have that one, they are slowing release it in parts or pieces, next you know complete show will slow up on CD.
Esnt is over did it last few years. also that's we are getting one new releases this month, and they go back to how Elvis release or BMG release them he was alive .
Tom

[poormansgold]

Sorry Tom, but musicians are required to be paid at today's rates, not 1977 (or whichever year we're talking about).

not all them don't Elvis Not get paid with today rates. his paid is same as 30 years ago, That's I read Intview with Ernst Jørgensen's few years ago back.
that's where hang up is to release soundboards , I' m not pecfect with words what I say it the true. Tom

[EDOEP]

That's not what I meant.

By "other" methods, I meant that the soundboards would see the light of day as CDs via bootleggers and sympathetic BMG/EPE staffers.

CDs will be around for a very long time, there's no doubt about that. Those who have predicted the demise of CDs are the same type of people who predicted the death of movies when TV came along or, more recently, the death of the newspaper when the internet expanded into news services.

MP3s etc are all well and good to get songs onto your PC or MP3 players or whatever (I've no idea what an MP3 is, or a Wii etc, and I have no desire to find out, so please don't explain it to me!) but they will not replace the CD. Like LPs used to be, people still like to hold something physical in their hands, and have that sense of "ownership" - which, of course, is nowhere near as strong as that associated with LPs and singles.

And like vinyl, CDs will reign supreme for a very long time to come. (They just need to expand the capacity by more than the usual 78 mins or so! ;))

OK, then i got you wrong and maybe did not make it clear on my side ...

i even agree with you that CDs will not completely disappear - like LPs are still around today, they certainly will be around in a few decades from now.

but just like today vinyl is no longer the main product for distributing music sooner or later also the CDs will be a 'collector's item' only.

what i was mainly referring to in terms of elvis' heritage was that the digital version as 'music for download ONLY' in the low-cost sector (where producing a disc is no longer profitable) might be THE means to release some stuff at all (instead of letting it dust in in vaults without ever releasing it).

i gave away all my vinyl a long long time ago and replaced it by CDs. and even those are stored in the basement in shelves .... after having been digitalized and filed on a server (like albert did it, we both mentioned that in another thread).

BTW, one can also burn audiofiles on a DVD; with 4.7 GBs on an average disc you can burn PLENTY of stuff on it! we have done so for the car since at least 3 years. the disctray has only space for a limited number of discs, you can have a huge variety of music with you on the road when using DVDs instead of CDs - provided your player in the car can play DVDs.

the manufacturing (i.e. the costs) of an audio-DVD with a huge capacity is not much different from manufacturing an audio-CD. the main reason for the music industry to sell audio-CDs instead of audio-DVDs is profit-maximisation ...... you can sell 5 or 6 CDs at 20 $ instead of 1 DVD at 25 / 30$ :).

hugs, ellie

[thehillbillycat]

Everything's always Las Vegas with Ernst and RCA. I'm tired of the Vegas stuff. The audience sounds dead and even bored. No wonder EP didn't want to play there after 1976. He was definitely burnt out on Vegas by then. I can't understand why RCA is holding back the phenomenal Hampton show. There's not been a live tour show in single disc form since An Afternoon In The Garden back in 1997. You would think by now that they would have released it commercially.


First off, Elvis was going to play Vegas in 1977 but not at The Hilton. It was suppose to be between two other venues but which one he was going to be at we will never know that becuase he didn't decide which one. Yes, he didn't like Vegas but he hated The Hilton more because in his mind he was playing in front of the same audience each and every time and that is why he hated Vegas. As for Elvis On Tour concerts, as the rest have said they are waiting on Elvis On Tour to be on DVD before they release those shows. Also, EPE doesn't own Elvis On Tour as I have said many times so it is up to Warner/MGM to release it. As for Afternoon In The Garden, that was release because that was original was suppose to be release and not the evening show. But they went for the evening show for some reason.

[Getlo]

As for Afternoon In The Garden, that was release because that was original was suppose to be release and not the evening show. But they went for the evening show for some reason.

The original MSG album needs to be re-released in an updated format ... new cover, with pics from the actual show ... and with the songs in the right order this time! ;)

[presley31]

You've claimed on many occassions, on other Elvis message boards, that you don't even own many Elvis releases to begin with, so why the constant moaning here ???

Double standard ...



How many times must you be schooled that BMG wants to, and hopes to, release the April 1972 "On Tour" concert material in a timed juncture with Warner when they release the DVD ??? :doh:

Maybe some of us want to know.

[Lonniebealestreet]

For the last time, there is no place here for bringing up someone's identity and/or posted subjects or positions from another message board on TCB-World. Those involved, end it now.

[U.S. Male]

The original MSG album needs to be re-released in an updated format ... new cover, with pics from the actual show ... and with the songs in the right order this time!

I totally agree with this (y)

I've always hoped that BMG would produce a Special MSG 2 CD box, featuring newly remastered versions of both the Afternoon In The Garden and Live At MSG cd's, including a photo booklet with info regarding the MSG shows, plus include on one of the cd's, the complete Press Conference in upgraded sound.

Only sad thing is....this is only something we can dream for...doubt they'll never do it:'(

[EP75]

First off, Elvis was going to play Vegas in 1977 but not at The Hilton. It was suppose to be between two other venues but which one he was going to be at we will never know that becuase he didn't decide which one. Yes, he didn't like Vegas but he hated The Hilton more because in his mind he was playing in front of the same audience each and every time and that is why he hated Vegas. As for Elvis On Tour concerts, as the rest have said they are waiting on Elvis On Tour to be on DVD before they release those shows. Also, EPE doesn't own Elvis On Tour as I have said many times so it is up to Warner/MGM to release it. As for Afternoon In The Garden, that was release because that was original was suppose to be release and not the evening show. But they went for the evening show for some reason.


The venue would have been the then-new Thomas & Mack Center on the UNLV campus.;) I meant he was burnt out on the Hilton stage not the city. he loved Vegas altogether.

[EP75]

For the last time, there is no place here for bringing up someone's identity and/or posted subjects or positions from another message board on TCB-World. Those involved, end it now.

Here's a thought. Why not just BAN them for doing the same ole thing and causing havoc? It makes perfect sense. That would stop all of the trouble on here instantly. After all you gave me a 3 week ban for just retaliating against their uncalled for sarcasm.:mad:

[Getlo]

Afternoon In The Garden

Yes, I enjoyed that album, but I was never happy with the mix. Far too "tinny".

Not as bad a mix as the original Live On Stage In Memphis though. Now that was a stinker! (n)

[EP75]

Er, hello? You're one of the "them" ! :rolleyes:

No I'm the one always taking the hits around here. I just agreed with you on the Ian part. That's al. I wasn't flaming him like you do me. And how did you even know about the "supposed" Easter special? Ian told that at the old 30 #1 Hits forum. Unless he spread it around others. My point in that replay to the moderators was a simple fact that they want the nonsense to stop them ban the people for starting it. If not then more and more members will leave as is the case now.

[Getlo]

And how did you even know about the "supposed" Easter special?

What are you talking about?!! ;):blink::blink:

Check the posts again; I did not refer to this. It was rocknroll, whom you previously implied - and again here in this thread - was this Ian person.

And if you knew anything, you would know that the touted Easter TV Special was advertised on albums, singles and RCA catalogues in 1973.

Which means I have known about it since ... 1973. I do not need to read people's posts on forums to know these things, thank you.

[Sonny]

Also Ep75 give it a rest now please.

[EP75]

What are you talking about?!! ;):blink::blink:

Check the posts again; I did not refer to this. It was rocknroll, whom you previously implied - and again here in this thread - was this Ian person.

And if you knew anything, you would know that the touted Easter TV Special was advertised on albums, singles and RCA catalogues in 1973.

Which means I have known about it since ... 1973. I do not need to read people's posts on forums to know these things, thank you.

Sorry. I thought it was you who said that.

[Getlo]

Sorry. I thought it was you who said that.

Okay, then. Cool ...

[Sonny]

You don't know what we do or don't do EP75.

When people wanna leave, their choice. We did the fair thing in this case and we wanna leave it as is.

Sonny

[EP75]

The reason they are leaving is due to lack of control over the forums. You say you want peace but you allow the same ones to continue to flame and cause trouble. There's a simple solution to that is all I am saying. But do as you wish. It's your forum. Just trying to help.

[Sonny]

That's the entire problem, people wanting to help too much, instead of just discussing Elvis.

And no more about this in the threads now, please.

Kindest regards,
Sonny

[thehillbillycat]

The venue would have been the then-new Thomas & Mack Center on the UNLV campus.;) I meant he was burnt out on the Hilton stage not the city. he loved Vegas altogether.


Actaully, that is not totally true. Thomas and Mack Center didn't open until 1983, six years after Elvis passed away.

Elvis had a list different places that was considering performing at. Frank Sinatra even said in an interview that he was trying to get Elvis to play at the Sands but Elvis told Frank that was his place and shouldn't be performing their. He respected Frank and didn't want to performed at a place where another great singer would be at. Other places was Silverbird which was changed from Thunderbird in 1977, Caesar's Palace (which my opinion would of been the most likely choice), and The Marina (which at that time is was one of the newest places in vegas opening in 1975 and became known later as the MGM-Marina Hotel, and then MGM Grand. This is also why one of the rumors was that Elvis was going to play at the MGM Grand. The MGM Grand didn't exist in 1977 but Marina did but it is the same site. The original Marina has been torned down but part of the main building of the MGM Grand is the exact replica of The Marina so if your room is in that part of the building you are staying in what was The Marina.).

[Jungleroom76]

I can't understand why RCA is holding back the phenomenal Hampton show. There's not been a live tour show in single disc form since An Afternoon In The Garden back in 1997. You would think by now that they would have released it commercially.

AMEN TO THAT!!! :notworthy

Considering about 75% of the Hampton show has been released officially via ELVIS ON TOUR and THE LOST PERFORMANCES, you would think that RCA would not have any trouble releasing the audio of the entire show.

Or...could we even be foolish enough to dream of a combined CD/DVD package of the Hampton show??? :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

[EP75]

AMEN TO THAT!!! :notworthy

Considering about 75% of the Hampton show has been released officially via ELVIS ON TOUR and THE LOST PERFORMANCES, you would think that RCA would not have any trouble releasing the audio of the entire show.

Or...could we even be foolish enough to dream of a combined CD/DVD package of the Hampton show??? :hmm:

TCB!
Mike

I would love to see the Richmond show released on DVD before Hampton only because it's truly the least seen footage out there.

[Jungleroom76]

I would love to see the Richmond show released on DVD before Hampton only because it's truly the least seen footage out there.

In a perfect world, all of the footage shot for ELVIS ON TOUR would be released in a special edition package along with the original movie and maybe even an updated version of the film (a la TTWII - SE).

But alas...my guess is that we will just keep dreaming for quite a while yet... :'(

Along with the Richmond show, I would like to see the San Antonio footage as well...I think we've seen even less of that footage thus far!!

TCB!
Mike

[EP75]

You've claimed on many occassions, on other Elvis message boards, that you don't even own many Elvis releases to begin with, so why the constant moaning here ???

Double standard ...



How many times must you be schooled that BMG wants to, and hopes to, release the April 1972 "On Tour" concert material in a timed juncture with Warner when they release the DVD ??? :doh:

For your information King creole I happen to own ALL of EP's albums (both vinyl and CD form) and a few imports/FTD's. So I have no idea where you got that information from.:hmm: