Elvis looking incredible in Cincy,June 25, 1977!!!

[nolvis]

:xmas:I'm also posting a great car candid from May 21 and the last one from Indy!!! Courtesy of our friend's at FECC!!! And the second(concert) pic is one that i bought from Cathielvis, the third(hotel) i found on a site,and the cincy car pic i bought from another seller on e-bay(eap 4 ever) like the cathielvis pic!!!-(Mike,Simon, and Paul et al from fecc)-

[cameron]

Nice pictures. Thanks to the guys at FECC !(y)

[nolvis]

:xmas:I'm glad that you liked the pic's!:xmas:(y):king:(y):newyear::xmas:

[Tony Trout]

As someone said on that thread at FECC (from where these pics were taken), Elvis looked "deceptively healthy" here.

It's sad to think of what happened to him less than six weeks later....:'(:'(

[Diane]

Nice pictures Nolvis but in the first one in the car you can see him starting to swell up a little. The other photos are pretty good but he looked much healthier in 1975.

Diane

[COL DRIES]

Great Nolvis , Besides He Was Looking Good , The Show Also Was Superrrrrrr.

[ksimms2]

Great pics Ian! I also buy from CathiElvis and eap_4_ever - Cheryl is her name - she sells great pics!

[Rover]

Thanks for sharing Nolvis! These pics sure look great :)

[cameron]

Thanks, Nolvis.

It sure seems to be what angle they took his pictures from.
He DOES look great in these !! (y)

[nolvis]

:DYes he sure looks amazing in most of them!!! And Tony like I said at the beginning of my thread, all of the pics from the Cincy concert are from FECC, but 2 of the other pics are ones that I purchased and one I found on another site, and the bottom pic from Indy,well Mike made that very thread because he thought that I would like the pic's! I was going to use Cheryl's name Ksimms2, but i'm glad you mentioned it.There are some better pics than the one you mention Diane, I willl post them next time! But he sure looks great in the other pic's,really amazing, and I can't wait to make a new thread with some really incredible pics coming up that will just blow you away!!!(lol):D:(y)king:(y):newyear:

[Hound dog]

That´s very nice pictures...
Thx for sharing......I loved them.
I don´t saw it before:)

BEFORE ANYONE DID ANYTHING, ELVIS DID EVERYTHING

[epmoodyblue]

Nice pictures Nolvis but in the first one in the car you can see him starting to swell up a little. The other photos are pretty good but he looked much healthier in 1975.

Dianeyou say ....
but in the first one in the car you can see him starting to swell up a little.? huh??????? --neways i disagree elvis looks okay in those 77 pics..your only partically right elvis looked better in -june 75 ... then from august to dec 75 he did not look well at all
:newyear::xmas:

[nolvis]

The car candid actually really is a cool pic!

[utmom2008]

Nice pictures Nolvis but in the first one in the car you can see him starting to swell up a little.
I noticed that as well Diane......

[Diane]

It comes from being a mom. We're used to scrutinizing our kids to make sure everything is ok. :)

Elvis didn't look bad in any of the above pics, just starting to show what was coming later on. He didn't have that healthy look anymore.....nevertheless, still looked very special....always.

Diane

[cameron]

I've always wondered if he would sweat in his earlier concerts like he did.say in the last 2 or 3 years? Know anyone that saw him in concert right after he started back in 1968?

[Diane]

I saw him in '71 and '73 and yes he did perspire but when we saw him it wasn't very heavily. Those stage lights are hot, so was his jumpsuits and with that much movement around the stage, not surprising.

Diane

[geordie]

WELL,

dont want to start anything on this thread like, but. elvis WAS ONLY 42 in these pictures, so if thats wat people call looking incredible, at aged 42 well, im lost for words

[jak]

WELL,

dont want to start anything on this thread like, but. elvis WAS ONLY 42 in these pictures, so if thats wat people call looking incredible, at aged 42 well, im lost for words

Im with you.I dont know what people are seeing when they look at these pics.He looks like hell in those photos compared to just a few years prior.He didnt look that good to me.
Jak

[cameron]

I saw him in '71 and '73 and yes he did perspire but when we saw him it wasn't very heavily. Those stage lights are hot, so was his jumpsuits and with that much movement around the stage, not surprising.

Diane
Thanks, Diane. It was just a part of his physical health I was trying to consider.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

There are some nice pictures here Nolvis, as they say "A picture paints a thousand words".

I would like to reiterate what has already been commented on, Elvis was carrying the same amount of weight in 1975, so surely it couldn't have been just a weight issue, it had to be health?

[jak]

There are some nice pictures here Nolvis, as they say "A picture paints a thousand words".

I would like to reiterate what has already been commented on, Elvis was carrying the same amount of weight in 1975, so surely it couldn't have been just a weight issue, it had to be health?

For me it's not his weight that is an issue in the pics.He just doesnt look healthy or fit overall.He looks tired and stressed.He was aged beyond his years.If a non fan asked you to show them a photo of Elvis looking incredible on stage would you pick a photo from that period?I mean any photo.
Jak

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

For me it's not his weight that is an issue in the pics.He just doesnt look healthy or fit overall.He looks tired and stressed.He was aged beyond his years.If a non fan asked you to show them a photo of Elvis looking incredible on stage would you pick a photo from that period?I mean any photo.
Jak

Good point, that is why I posted a picture from 1975, they just don't compare with anything from 1977. For me there are worse pictures of Elvis from 1976 althought the Hollywood pictures from Feb 1977 are by far the worst I have ever seen, these look like Elvis is at deaths door, so sad to see.

[Kris P]

Had Elvis not died at 42, would we still be using descriptors such as 'deaths door' when viewing pictures of the 42 year old singer..................I mean very few people at the time, whether it be fans or reviewers, were predicting the kings demise, they were maybe commenting on his 'paunch' or lack of hip shaking.
I think hindsight plays a big part in peoples reaction to these photos in 2007.

[Ematt]

I`m sorry, but Elvis looks anything but incredible in those pictures.

[Burning_Love]

Wow, your right, he does look amazing. Mind you, he always did..

[jak]

Had Elvis not died at 42, would we still be using descriptors such as 'deaths door' when viewing pictures of the 42 year old singer..................I mean very few people at the time, whether it be fans or reviewers, were predicting the kings demise, they were maybe commenting on his 'paunch' or lack of hip shaking.
I think hindsight plays a big part in peoples reaction to these photos in 2007.

Im not sure I would agree with you.Sandi Pinchon mentions in her book driving home after a show and crying because of the way he looked and acted.I too have heard the same thing from 2 of my friends including one who saw him around 150 times.People back them were in fact shocked by his appearance.People knew something was wrong.
Jak

[Diane]

I agree with Jak. After 1975 the pictures do show that Elvis' health is not good. For me too, it's not the weight that worried me, it was that strained, tired and not feeling well at all look, even his colouring was off. It was obvious to me that something was really wrong.

Some pictures in the last two years showed that he had some improvement off and on but was still in trouble health wise.

Diane

[jak]

I agree with Jak. After 1975 the pictures do show that Elvis' health is not good. For me too, it's not the weight that worried me, it was that strained, tired and not feeling well at all look, even his colouring was off. It was obvious to me that something was really wrong.

Some pictures in the last two years showed that he had some improvement off and on but was still in trouble health wise.

Diane

That's all Im saying.I cant recall many photos from 76-77 where Elvis looks truly good.Just scan this gallery on the board and there you go.I will say I just loaded that concert into my mp3 player so I could listen to it thoroughly while walking the dogs.I hadnt played it in some time.That was good show and the crowd loved it.
Another point is this.Take almost any live pic from 73 and then compare it to anything you have from 76-77.I mean any photo from those last two years.Can anybody truly say that they dont see a tragic downfall?It was only a few years later.
Jak

[Diane]

I saw a great deal of difference Jak and again not the weight gain...that was unimportant to me. What struck me so hard was how "unwell" he looked in the last two years and I did fear for him.

He was still very recognizable as Elvis, but obviously a very sick one and I was afraid he was either going to end up in hospital with something really serious or that we were going to lose him. The CBS special I enjoyed but how he looked scared the heck out of me and made me terribly sad. When I heard he had died I was immediately shocked as everyone was but then realized we had all seen it coming.

Diane

[cameron]

I can't describe Elvis as incredible "looking" in the pictures Nolvis first posted .
But, certainly not as bad as some has described or shown in others.
He looked good when I saw him ,the beginning of 1977. I do realize make up can and I'm sure was used in some pictures.
In some of the "on stage" pictures, I see a pallor to his coloring.
In some of those he did look extremely unwell.

[Cryogenic]

Let's put it this way...

I agree entirely with Kris, yet I can't think of a single picture from 1977, good as some of them are, that rival JJ's beauty from 1975. In this respect, I am probably still agreeing with Kris. Elvis declined, alright. Yet that decline is often exaggerated. 1975 was probably his last kind year on stage.

[Hound dog]

I love his 70´s Image.
I love Elvis in all aspects,but most of all his last years.
some people told me tha his 70´s image is very camp in clothing.....but i love it.:blush::blush::blush:

IF I CAN DREAM......

[epmoodyblue]

Let's put it this way...

I agree entirely with Kris, yet I can't think of a single picture from 1977, good as some of them are, that rival JJ's beauty from 1975. In this respect, I am probably still agreeing with Kris. Elvis declined, alright. Yet that decline is often exaggerated. 1975 was probably his last kind year on stage.yes the decline was much exaggerated ...but honestly.elvis didint look well for most of 75 either even though most of the 75 concerts were great..he only looked great in june of 75 but thats about it.. then from august to dec 75 elvis did not look well. at all,.actually in these ciny 77 pics he looks better than at his december pontiac newyears 75 concert where he looked bad for his biggest crowd ever..neways peace:king:

[utmom2008]

I saw him in '71 and '73 and yes he did perspire but when we saw him it wasn't very heavily. Those stage lights are hot, so was his jumpsuits and with that much movement around the stage, not surprising.

Diane
I agree Diane. The first 2 summers that I was in Vegas were 71 and 72..he was less active in 73. But, the first 2 summers we commented on how hard he was "working" under those hot lights. It was a physical workout.....sweating was expected.

[utmom2008]

It comes from being a mom. We're used to scrutinizing our kids to make sure everything is ok. :)

Elvis didn't look bad in any of the above pics, just starting to show what was coming later on. He didn't have that healthy look anymore.....nevertheless, still looked very special....always.

Diane

I look at those pics and think..."OMG, what went wrong in the 4 years after Aloha?" Most men don't change that much from 38 to 42......:supriced:

[utmom2008]

People back them were in fact shocked by his appearance.People knew something was wrong.
Jak

You and I have talked about this before Jak. I saw him for the last time Dec. 28th, 1976 in Dallas. Yes..he was heavier, but the show was good so that's all we had to go on. I was STUNNED at EIC...I thought he looked so tired and weak and sick..I thought he sounded tired and weak. The weight was almost an afterthought...:hmm::'(:'(

[utmom2008]

In some of the "on stage" pictures, I see a pallor to his coloring.
In some of those he did look extremely unwell.

I agree...there were things I noticed before I noticed the weight issue.:blush:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Had Elvis not died at 42, would we still be using descriptors such as 'deaths door' when viewing pictures of the 42 year old singer..................I mean very few people at the time, whether it be fans or reviewers, were predicting the kings demise, they were maybe commenting on his 'paunch' or lack of hip shaking.
I think hindsight plays a big part in peoples reaction to these photos in 2007.

I'm afraid hindsight is all we have 30 years on, although if I had seen the picture below (both feb 1977 shots) I would be extremely worried :'(

Also discussing Elvis from 1975, yes there were times he looked ill but you just can't compare anything from 1976-1977

[utmom2008]

if I had seen the picture below (both feb 1977 shots) I would be extremely worried :'(

Me too. Every time I see those Feb. 77 pics it takes me a minute to realize that really is Elvis.(n) Unfortunately, he looks like the fat Elvis impersonators that I detest.(n) There is obviously something wrong other than peanut-butter and banana sandwiches. Yes...there are obvious weight issues, but also other things at play here as well.:blink:

[cameron]

JJ:
The third one you have there; he looks very ill. It might partly be the light .
But, that's where I notice the pallor, the profuse sweating ; having trouble breathing etc. the last couple of years .

But, I'm not gonna disect him. I'm glad some good pictures were taken and recovered too.

[epmoodyblue]

I'm afraid hindsight is all we have 30 years on, although if I had seen the picture below (both feb 1977 shots) I would be extremely worried :'(

Also discussing Elvis from 1975, yes there were times he looked ill but you just can't compare anything from 1976-1977well that middle pic of elvis in indian suit is from oct or november 76 tour and he does look great so your wrong... you can compare 76 to some 75 pics.-oct -nov- dec 76 ..elvis looked great..like i said before elvis was not well in april 75 tour.august 75 and dec 75 tours elvis was in bad shape also..but elvis made a wise choice to use 2 piece outfits in early 75 ..so 75 wasint such a wonderful year for elvis when it came to appearance as some people here want you to believe

[Diane]

I see something wrong with Elvis in the last two pictures you posted Matt. In both you can see the start of his face swelling and as Cameron said, his colouring doesn't look healthy.

Have to disagree with you on one statement Rosanne, even at his worse, I don't see Elvis looking as bad as the fat Elvis impersonators because it was only his stomach and face that was really affected and he still had that something special in his face especially that wonderful smile that no one else has.

Diane

[Lonniebealestreet]

This picture was taken in Louisville, my hometown. Supposedly he was out cold shortly before this and had to be revived with cold water.

If you believe Larry Geller it was upon witnessing this scene that the Colonel declared something to the effect of "nothing matters besides him getting onstage!"

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20441&d=1198632098

But those Cincinnati photos, on and off-stage, all are really good. It isn't that he looks absolutely stunning and problem-free but when compared to his appearance in the EIC footage, the difference really is striking, to my eyes.

[Diane]

He does look pretty good in the picture you posted in the car Lonnie. It is hard to believe what transpired before the concert and I have no trouble believing what Larry had to say about the Colonel.

Diane

[cameron]

This picture was taken in Louisville, my hometown. Supposedly he was out cold shortly before this and had to be revived with cold water.

If you believe Larry Geller it was upon witnessing this scene that the Colonel declared something to the effect of "nothing matters besides him getting onstage!"

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20441&d=1198632098

But those Cincinnati photos, on and off-stage, all are really good. It isn't that he looks absolutely stunning and problem-free but when compared to his appearance in the EIC footage, the difference really is striking, to my eyes.

I think he looks pretty good in this car picture . A man in his 40's not 30's anymore . .
:hmm: I like Geller just fine ...but that story was hard for me to believe .Not about Parker, but the " ice water soak."
I think we'll never know .

[jak]

The ice water story is plausible.Elvis was on downers for most of this period.Dont forget the Baltimore incident.He came out and was in very bad shape.He left the stage during the show for a good spell and came back with some more pep in his step.It's kinda obvious what he did to perk himself up again.He was like a yoyo at this point and that's incredibly destructive.He was relying on the pills just to go through the motions many times.
Jak

[utmom2008]

I see something wrong with Elvis in the last two pictures you posted Matt. In both you can see the start of his face swelling and as Cameron said, his colouring doesn't look healthy.

Have to disagree with you on one statement Rosanne, even at his worse, I don't see Elvis looking as bad as the fat Elvis impersonators because it was only his stomach and face that was really affected and he still had that something special in his face especially that wonderful smile that no one else has.

Diane
I understand what you're saying Diane, and no, I don't literally think he looks like one. The point I guess I was making is how sad that he ever even came close to giving those kind of impersonators any credence. The non-fans never talk about any bloating, or any health issues for that matter....they just remember fat Elvis. And...have a tendency to laugh if you try to explain that it wasn't all overeating, that there were other factors that played a part as well. (n)

[utmom2008]

Elvis declined, alright. Yet that decline is often exaggerated.

Yes....he definetly declined. Put one of the Feb. 77 pictures next to Jan. 73(AFH) and ask yourself if everyone changes that much in 4 years?? That's when I realize that no one is really exagerating......:'(

[Diane]

Unfortunately I think a lot of that "fat" was water retention the latter part of 1975 to the end from one or more drugs as I've stated before....cortizone for one will definitely do that. Had it been just food, his weight would have been more evenly distributed and it wasn't. His stomach and face was most affected.

Diane

[cameron]

I understand what you're saying Diane, and no, I don't literally think he looks like one. The point I guess I was making is how sad that he ever even came close to giving those kind of impersonators any credence. The non-fans never talk about any bloating, or any health issues for that matter....they just remember fat Elvis. And...have a tendency to laugh if you try to explain that it wasn't all overeating, that there were other factors that played a part as well. (n)

That's too bad . I have a few friends and lots of family that are not Elvis fans. We can discuss his bloating ,etc. off and on. Of course, most are in the medical field, in one way or another . We sometimes try to compare signs and symptoms with each other to see who might be the closer to a diagnosis. ;)
I don't think any of us can say we've hit the 'JACKPOT ' yet.
Buit, it can get interesting.

[cameron]

Yes....he definetly declined. Put one of the Feb. 77 pictures next to Jan. 73(AFH) and ask yourself if everyone changes that much in 4 years?? That's when I realize that no one is really exagerating......:'(

Four years can make a huge difference in ones looks ,when you're ill.

[utmom2008]

Four years can make a huge difference in ones looks ,when you're ill.

Exactly......"ill" being the key word in that sentence.

[Tony Trout]

This picture was taken in Louisville, my hometown. Supposedly he was out cold shortly before this and had to be revived with cold water.

If you believe Larry Geller it was upon witnessing this scene that the Colonel declared something to the effect of "nothing matters besides him getting onstage!"

http://www.tcb-world.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20441&d=1198632098

But those Cincinnati photos, on and off-stage, all are really good. It isn't that he looks absolutely stunning and problem-free but when compared to his appearance in the EIC footage, the difference really is striking, to my eyes.

I thought the ice-water incident happened in St. Louis, MO in '73?




The ice water story is plausible.Elvis was on downers for most of this period.Dont forget the Baltimore incident.He came out and was in very bad shape.He left the stage during the show for a good spell and came back with some more pep in his step.It's kinda obvious what he did to perk himself up again.He was like a yoyo at this point and that's incredibly destructive.He was relying on the pills just to go through the motions many times.
Jak

Agreed...unfortunately, and to quote Sonny West, by this time Elvis was literally a "walking drugstore".....

[utmom2008]

Unfortunately I think a lot of that "fat" was water retention the latter part of 1975 to the end from one or more drugs as I've stated before....cortizone for one will definitely do that. Had it been just food, his weight would have been more evenly distributed and it wasn't. His stomach and face was most affected.

Diane
Yes, I completely agree with you Diane. That's why in EIC when the camera shows him from the back, he doesn't look all that different. And certain camera angles of his profile I would sometimes catch a glimpse of what was there, the stunning good looks from prior years.

[Kris P]

Had Elvis not died at 42, would we still be using descriptors such as 'deaths door' when viewing pictures of the 42 year old singer..................I mean very few people at the time, whether it be fans or reviewers, were predicting the kings demise, they were maybe commenting on his 'paunch' or lack of hip shaking.
I think hindsight plays a big part in peoples reaction to these photos in 2007.
Im not sure I would agree with you.Sandi Pinchon mentions in her book driving home after a show and crying because of the way he looked and acted.I too have heard the same thing from 2 of my friends including one who saw him around 150 times.People back them were in fact shocked by his appearance.People knew something was wrong.
Jak

Whilst I have not read the Sandi Pichon book (nor do I know which show she is referring to) or do I know your two friends, I have read scores of reviews and fan accounts from the time and none even remotely speculate that Elvis was close to death, only that he may have been overweight and less active.....................I mean, if his appearance really was that of a man nearing death, it would have been headline news, after all, the media were attending every show (possibly excluding some Vegas shows) Elvis gave and anyone of them would have loved such a 'scoop'.

[Kris P]

Let's put it this way...

I agree entirely with Kris, yet I can't think of a single picture from 1977, good as some of them are, that rival JJ's beauty from 1975. In this respect, I am probably still agreeing with Kris. Elvis declined, alright. Yet that decline is often exaggerated. 1975 was probably his last kind year on stage.

We are in total agreeance, my friend.

I think at the nub of this whole debate is that Elvis himself had set such a high standard, as far as his personal appearance goes...........for example, if someone like Elton John had put on a few pounds or Eric Clapton appears on stage ripped off his nuts, this is acceptable, but when it's Elvis, it's different.

Combine this with the fact that Presley died at 42 while Elton and Clapton were lucky enough to survive, we have the perfect ingredients for some fertile hindsight.
In 2007 pictures of Clapton and Elton during the ebb of their respective careers will show just that, ie. a performer going through a tough time,whilst they could by the admission of both artists, show a man on 'deaths door'.

[Getlo]

I have read scores of reviews and fan accounts from the time and none even remotely speculate that Elvis was close to death, only that he may have been overweight and less active.

Las Vegas, 1976:

"GOOD EVENING, by Bill E. Burk.

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly ... "

[Kris P]

Las Vegas, 1976:

"GOOD EVENING, by Bill E. Burk.

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly ... "

Thanks for the quote, Getlo.
This is very interesting, particularly coming from someone who personally knew Elvis...............I also note in the same article Burk closes with, "And just maybe they're still coming because they think it might be the last time around."
Obviously a very poor engagement and the only example of the prediction of EP's death I have read.
I wonder what Burk would have made of EP's Pittsburgh, Wichita, Dallas et al shows, the very same month?

[cameron]

Las Vegas, 1976:

"GOOD EVENING, by Bill E. Burk.

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly ... "


Oh my. I don't believe I'd quote Bill Burk on anything. :doh:

[Getlo]

Oh my. I don't believe I'd quote Bill Burk on anything. :doh:

I don't believe you wouldn't.

[Kris P]

Las Vegas, 1976:

"GOOD EVENING, by Bill E. Burk.

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly ... "

Not wishing to downplay Burk's review (as I am fully aware Elvis was not near his best for much of this engagement), for balance here is an extract from another review, from the same engagement:


Celebrity Circus
By Mark Tan
Not even the spirited ballyhoo and carnival trappings of the Elvis Presley special winter concert, now at the Hilton Hotel, can prepare the audience for the extra long (2 1/2 hour) exorcism of all the negative and often scarifying pile-up of the past year's rumours, reports, illnesses, bulletins, etc. etc. etc. that have cloaked the phenomenal star. Whatever the shrouds and secrets Elvis has definitely come back to to Las Vegas in peak condition and ready to give his all in his sold out engagement. Elvis looks better than he has in quite sometime, not the swivel hipped singer of the 60's but certainly as handsome, funny, friendly and charming as he's ever been, The famous "overweight" situation of Elvis is apparently under control, and despite the still to be lost poundage, he looks healthy and happy.

Two diametrically opposed opinions................I think at the end of the day, in general the audience going public were getting what they wanted (which is all that can be expected of a performer), which can be confidently measured by fan accounts (though I'm sure there were many unhappy punters, thousands of satisfied patrons could be found for each negative concert goer), growing attendances, concert recordings.
The problem is many are forming judgments of shows from repeated listening of substandard soundboards/ audience recordings, photos, newspaper reviews etc. Whilst this may be the only way those of us who were unable to attend a concert can form a view, it must be remembered that each show Elvis gave (with the exception of concerts he knew were being recorded for release) was a moment in time, to be enjoyed by those there on the night..........not to be dissected and critiqued 30 years later by those who weren't even there.


"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." Thomas Jefferson

[cameron]

I don't believe you wouldn't either.
I live here ...I know Burk. You've no idea of his reputation in Elvis World .
He's not generally liked . But, whatever.....

[Getlo]

I live here

.. which means nothing whatsoever.


...I know Burk. You've no idea of his reputation in Elvis World

Please, I have known of Burk for longer than you. :rolleyes: He is not much liked by some.

[cameron]

I have known of Burk for longer than you[/B]. :rolleyes: He is not much liked by some.


I have my doubts about that .;) And, no he's not much liked in Memphis at all.

[Lonniebealestreet]

The problem is many are forming judgments of shows from repeated listening of substandard soundboards/ audience recordings, photos, newspaper reviews etc. Whilst this may be the only way those of us who were unable to attend a concert can form a view, it must be remembered that each show Elvis gave (with the exception of concerts he knew were being recorded for release) was a moment in time, to be enjoyed by those there on the night..........not to be dissected and critiqued 30 years later by those who weren't even there.


"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." Thomas Jefferson
Great points made here, Kris (and I love the TJ quote)!

Not to downplay the insightful, objective, critical reviews that were written during these times, but the comments you made are worth reinforcing because they speak to the truth of the matter: that the audiences at large came away satisfied.

Now, how much of that was due to the actual quality of the performances themselves and how much was due to the thrill of seeing Elvis in person is another discussion. But overall even if the performances were subpar I truly believe most concerts from the final year or so were something exciting to experience, and not just because he would not be around for much longer. Listening to the good audience recordings seems to reinforce this.

Of course it must be said that the audiences' satisfaction with subpar performances was not a good thing for the man.

[Joe Car]

Great points made here, Kris (and I love the TJ quote)!

Not to downplay the insightful, objective, critical reviews that were written during these times, but the comments you made are worth reinforcing because they speak to the truth of the matter: that the audiences at large came away satisfied.

Now, how much of that was due to the actual quality of the performances themselves and how much was due to the thrill of seeing Elvis in person is another discussion. But overall even if the performances were subpar I truly believe most concerts from the final year or so were something exciting to experience, and not just because he would not be around for much longer. Listening to the good audience recordings seems to reinforce this.

Of course it must be said that the audiences' satisfaction with subpar performances was not a good thing for the man.

I remember watching Muhammad Ali as a teenager, in the mid to late seventies. Anyway, a bunch of us would go to our local arena and watch his fights that were being simulcast. Even though he no longer was the fighter he was in the past, all it took was him to show brief glimpses of what he used to be like, do the Ali shuffle, and we'd all go crazy, and it made the fight worthwhile and memorable in that way, at least to us fans. I believe this applies to Elvis' last couple of years. Even if he did struggle during a particular show, there were always a few songs that he would nail, whether it be Hurt, Unchained Melody, My Way, Trying to Get To You, Big Boss Man, or whatever, it was these moments that made him still so special, still riveting, despite the fact that he was no longer what he once was.

[Tony Trout]

I live here ...I know Burk. You've no idea of his reputation in Elvis World .
He's not generally liked . But, whatever.....


.. which means nothing whatsoever.



Please, I have known of Burk for longer than you. :rolleyes: He is not much liked by some.


I have my doubts about that .;) And, no he's not much liked in Memphis at all.




Getlo, I usually don't disagree with you but I'm gonna have to take Cameron's side here on this one...according to what I've heard, Bill Burk isn't the respected and well-liked person he makes people think he is around Memphis.....

[Lonniebealestreet]

I remember watching Muhammad Ali as a teenager, in the mid to late seventies. Anyway, a bunch of us would go to our local arena and watch his fights that were being simulcast. Even though he no longer was the fighter he was in the past, all it took was him to show brief glimpses of what he used to be like, do the Ali shuffle, and we'd all go crazy, and it made the fight worthwhile and memorable in that way, at least to us fans. I believe this applies to Elvis' last couple of years. Even if he did struggle during a particular show, there were always a few songs that he would nail, whether it be Hurt, Unchained Melody, My Way, Trying to Get To You, Big Boss Man, or whatever, it was these moments that made him still so special, still riveting, despite the fact that he was no longer what he once was.
That's a great analogy. I have watched a lot of the Ali fights in recent years and definitely could see the similarities there.

By no means did this represent nearly as much of a downfall, but it was the same sort of thing watching Michael Jordan's last couple of seasons playing for the Washington Wizards. There were some great moments and some great games, but of course he could never be what he was when he was younger. Regardless, to a fan it was just as exciting watching a fadeaway jumper from him as it was to see a high-flying dunk from LeBron James -- because it was Michael Jordan.

...As it was for fans watching Elvis in his decline.

[Kris P]

Great points made here, Kris (and I love the TJ quote)!

Not to downplay the insightful, objective, critical reviews that were written during these times, but the comments you made are worth reinforcing because they speak to the truth of the matter: that the audiences at large came away satisfied.

Now, how much of that was due to the actual quality of the performances themselves and how much was due to the thrill of seeing Elvis in person is another discussion. But overall even if the performances were subpar I truly believe most concerts from the final year or so were something exciting to experience, and not just because he would not be around for much longer. Listening to the good audience recordings seems to reinforce this.

Of course it must be said that the audiences' satisfaction with subpar performances was not a good thing for the man.

Thanks for your input, Lonnie.
Your point re. the actual quality of the performances versus the thrill of seeing Elvis is very much a valid one, though as you said, this is a whole different discussion.

[jak]

Whilst I have not read the Sandi Pichon book (nor do I know which show she is referring to) or do I know your two friends, I have read scores of reviews and fan accounts from the time and none even remotely speculate that Elvis was close to death, only that he may have been overweight and less active.....................I mean, if his appearance really was that of a man nearing death, it would have been headline news, after all, the media were attending every show (possibly excluding some Vegas shows) Elvis gave and anyone of them would have loved such a 'scoop'.

You can find just as many scathing reviews of Elvis' performances during this time.My friend who got a TLC from Elvis in 76 had dinner with me tonight.I asked her about his last appearance in Charlotte in 77.Please remember that she was in his company while he was here talking and conversing with him.Her observations mean a lot to me because she was actually in his presence face to face.She said he looked horrible when she saw him shortly after he got off the plane here.He was puffy and just looked bad.On the day of his second show in Charlotte he was supposed to be waked up around 3 or 4.When they tried to wake him they couldnt get him to respond.A panic started to spread and they got Dr Nick to check him out.By this time the head of the security force supplied by the Charlotte police had summoned another doctor who was available to go also.The head of the police security team had some kind of connections and was able to get him summoned quickly from the hospital.No ambulance was involved.By the time that guy arrived Elvis had finally managed to get himself awake and was in the hallway sitting in a chair when he arrived.Dr Nick wanted him to look Elvis over also.This doctor told Elvis right to his face that he didnt think he would live 6 months if he didnt get himself looked after.This is in feb of 77.He told him he had serious problems judging from his swollen appearance in his upper body.Elvis just blew him off.This story was told to me just hours ago.My friend was standing 3 feet from Elvis when he was told this.I have no reason to doubt it and I dont.When EIC was broadcast people couldnt believe their eyes at how he looked.Most didnt know.Saying the media would have been all over the story just isnt true.Obviously they couldnt predict his death.How do you think the reviews of Omaha and Baltimore were?Dont try and convince yourself Elvis was looking ok the last couple of years.He looked bad and that's just the way it is.
Jak

[Kris P]

You can find just as many scathing reviews of Elvis' performances during this time.My friend who got a TLC from Elvis in 76 had dinner with me tonight.I asked her about his last appearance in Charlotte in 77.Please remember that she was in his company while he was here talking and conversing with him.Her observations mean a lot to me because she was actually in his presence face to face.She said he looked horrible when she saw him shortly after he got off the plane here.He was puffy and just looked bad.On the day of his second show in Charlotte he was supposed to be waked up around 3 or 4.When they tried to wake him they couldnt get him to respond.A panic started to spread and they got Dr Nick to check him out.By this time the head of the security force supplied by the Charlotte police had summoned another doctor who was available to go also.The head of the police security team had some kind of connections and was able to get him summoned quickly from the hospital.No ambulance was involved.By the time that guy arrived Elvis had finally managed to get himself awake and was in the hallway sitting in a chair when he arrived.Dr Nick wanted him to look Elvis over also.This doctor told Elvis right to his face that he didnt think he would live 6 months if he didnt get himself looked after.This is in feb of 77.He told him he had serious problems judging from his swollen appearance in his upper body.Elvis just blew him off.This story was told to me just hours ago.My friend was standing 3 feet from Elvis when he was told this.I have no reason to doubt it and I dont.When EIC was broadcast people couldnt believe their eyes at how he looked.Most didnt know.Saying the media would have been all over the story just isnt true.Obviously they couldnt predict his death.How do you think the reviews of Omaha and Baltimore were?Dont try and convince yourself Elvis was looking ok the last couple of years.He looked bad and that's just the way it is.
Jak
A few points, regarding the reviews, it is not a race to the bottom or a competition to see who can find the poorest vs good reviews, I was merely making the point that reviews are just a matter of opinion and peoples opinions vary........greatly.
I was also pointing out, if I may repeat myself, that I think at the end of the day, in general the audience going public were getting what they wanted (which is all that can be expected of a performer), which can be confidently measured by fan accounts (though I'm sure there were many unhappy punters, thousands of satisfied patrons could be found for each negative concert goer), growing attendances, concert recordings.
The problem is many are forming judgments of shows from repeated listening of substandard soundboards/ audience recordings, photos, newspaper reviews etc. Whilst this may be the only way those of us who were unable to attend a concert can form a view, it must be remembered that each show Elvis gave (with the exception of concerts he knew were being recorded for release) was a moment in time, to be enjoyed by those there on the night..........not to be dissected and critiqued 30 years later by those who weren't even there.

As for the Doctors visit, I find it very hard to believe a medical professional would, after such a perfunctory examination, give someone six months to live......in the company of others, no less.




Off Topic.
Jak your posts are most interesting, however they would even more interesting and easier to read if you could leave a space after each full stop.

[nolvis]

Originally Posted by Joe Car
I remember watching Muhammad Ali as a teenager, in the mid to late seventies. Anyway, a bunch of us would go to our local arena and watch his fights that were being simulcast. Even though he no longer was the fighter he was in the past, all it took was him to show brief glimpses of what he used to be like, do the Ali shuffle, and we'd all go crazy, and it made the fight worthwhile and memorable in that way, at least to us fans. I believe this applies to Elvis' last couple of years. Even if he did struggle during a particular show, there were always a few songs that he would nail, whether it be Hurt, Unchained Melody, My Way, Trying to Get To You, Big Boss Man, or whatever, it was these moments that made him still so special, still riveting, despite the fact that he was no longer what he once was.

That's a really great analogy, i've alway's felt the connection between Muhammad and Elvis!(y):king:(y):newyear:

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

well that middle pic of elvis in indian suit is from oct or november 76 tour and he does look great so your wrong... you can compare 76 to some 75 pics.-oct -nov- dec 76 ..elvis looked great..like i said before elvis was not well in april 75 tour.august 75 and dec 75 tours elvis was in bad shape also..but elvis made a wise choice to use 2 piece outfits in early 75 ..so 75 wasint such a wonderful year for elvis when it came to appearance as some people here want you to believe

The middle picture is from Nov 76 and yes you can compare 'select' pictures from 1976 although I certainly disagree that he looks 'great' he looks good for Nov 1976. As the picture below shows Elvis didn't always look 'well' in 1976.

Pictures from 1975, even those where he looks ill do not IMO compare to the look Elvis had about him in 1976-1977 so we will have to respectfully disagree ;)

[jak]

A few points, regarding the reviews, it is not a race to the bottom or a competition to see who can find the poorest vs good reviews, I was merely making the point that reviews are just a matter of opinion and peoples opinions vary........greatly.
I was also pointing out, if I may repeat myself, that I think at the end of the day, in general the audience going public were getting what they wanted (which is all that can be expected of a performer), which can be confidently measured by fan accounts (though I'm sure there were many unhappy punters, thousands of satisfied patrons could be found for each negative concert goer), growing attendances, concert recordings.
The problem is many are forming judgments of shows from repeated listening of substandard soundboards/ audience recordings, photos, newspaper reviews etc. Whilst this may be the only way those of us who were unable to attend a concert can form a view, it must be remembered that each show Elvis gave (with the exception of concerts he knew were being recorded for release) was a moment in time, to be enjoyed by those there on the night..........not to be dissected and critiqued 30 years later by those who weren't even there.

As for the Doctors visit, I find it very hard to believe a medical professional would, after such a perfunctory examination, give someone six months to live......in the company of others, no less.




Off Topic.
Jak your posts are most interesting, however they would even more interesting and easier to read if you could leave a space after each full stop.

She told me that the doctor made his comments to shake Elvis up.It didnt work.He ended up being awfully close to Elvis' actual death.His comments were made in the presence of several people that evening including Vernon who was standing right there.

[epmoodyblue]

The middle picture is from Nov 76 and yes you can compare 'select' pictures from 1976 although I certainly disagree that he looks 'great' he looks good for Nov 1976. As the picture below shows Elvis didn't always look 'well' in 1976.

Pictures from 1975, even those where he looks ill do not IMO compare to the look Elvis had about him in 1976-1977 so we will have to respectfully disagree ;)well we have different opinions its okay..but if you pic some pics of elvis from his vegas dec 75 shows or especially the pontiac show they can easily compare to 77 pics of him..they would pass for pics of elvis in 77..he was in bad shape in dec 75..also if you look at that pic of rlvis in indian suit from hollywood where you say he looks really terrible ..this pic is from the same tour just acouple days later and he dosent look as bloated or bad click to see piccy http://www.tcb-world.com/gallery/files/5/4/8/4/Onstage1977singingMyWay.JPG it all depends on what camera angle or close up the piccy was taken will make elvis look different ...neways we will leave it at that..no matter what we will always love elvis(y):cold:peace to you

[epmoodyblue]

She told me that the doctor made his comments to shake Elvis up.It didnt work.He ended up being awfully close to Elvis' actual death.His comments were made in the presence of several people that evening including Vernon who was standing right there.with all respect to you jak..people make up stories.your friend said this that ...it never happened...no doctor of any kind would tell a patiernt on the spot hes got about 6 months to live if he dosent shape up--just never happened one of many fake stories on elvis health especially in 77..the world knew elvis was in terrible shape in 77 anybody who saw him in 77 knew the end was near....peace to you...charlotte 77 shows were good

[jak]

with all respect to you jak..people make up stories.your friend said this that ...it never happened...no doctor of any kind would tell a patiernt on the spot hes got about 6 months to live if he dosent shape up--just never happened one of many fake stories on elvis health especially in 77..the world knew elvis was in terrible shape in 77 anybody who saw him in 77 knew the end was near....peace to you...charlotte 77 shows were good

You have no knowledge of any of the parties involved.She even told me the doctors name who told Elvis that.He was good friends with the Charlotte cop who headed security for Elvis when he was here.He got a TCB the day she got her TLC.She knew him well.This lady that told me about this incident was invited to graceland by Vernon after Elvis passed.She knew Vernon very well also.I wouldnt have posted her story if I didnt believe it.I aksed her if it was some big secret incident.She told me at least 10 people were standing there in the hallway when Elvis was told that.Im sure the doctor didnt actually realize how profound his comments were.
Jak

[utmom2008]

with all respect to you jak..people make up stories.your friend said this that ...it never happened...no doctor of any kind would tell a patiernt on the spot hes got about 6 months to live if he dosent shape up--just never happened one of many fake stories on elvis health especially in 77..the world knew elvis was in terrible shape in 77 anybody who saw him in 77 knew the end was near....peace to you...charlotte 77 shows were good
I think you need to remember that there are some "real" stories out there, not everything is made up. And....any of us that see those Feb.77 pictures knew something was horribly wrong. And that's with NO medical background........:hmm:

[cameron]

IMO, unless a doctor has taken care of a patient before and/or has done extensive tests after an examination ; no doctor would or should ever say to a patient "you're going to die in 6 months."

There is a code of ethics doctors are supposed to follow....even in 1977. If they want to keep their license that is.

[utmom2008]

There is a code of ethics doctors are supposed to follow....even in 1977. If they want to keep their license that is.

True........but, has there ever been a Dr. associated with Elvis that did follow a code of ethics??:hmm:

[cameron]

True........but, has there ever been a Dr. associated with Elvis that did follow a code of ethics??:hmm:

I can't debate on that . ;) It seems there were many that didn't follow the "Ethics Code." More's the pity .

[epmoodyblue]

You have no knowledge of any of the parties involved.She even told me the doctors name who told Elvis that.He was good friends with the Charlotte cop who headed security for Elvis when he was here.He got a TCB the day she got her TLC.She knew him well.This lady that told me about this incident was invited to graceland by Vernon after Elvis passed.She knew Vernon very well also.I wouldnt have posted her story if I didnt believe it.I aksed her if it was some big secret incident.She told me at least 10 people were standing there in the hallway when Elvis was told that.Im sure the doctor didnt actually realize how profound his comments were.
Jak
welllllllllllllllllllll.............who knows lots of stories out there in those last years of elvis life .of people that claim to have the absolute truth on stories of how elvis almost died in 77(before august that is) on certain occasions during tours in hotels etc..we will never know the truth..neways ur entitled to post your opinions or stories as you have done there always interesting to read.. have you heard about this story> just a bit of the story... Another witness, Fran Dale, described a scenario in a hotel in which Elvis was staying for a performance in that city. This was apparently after the concert. She saw him come down the hall, again with two men holding on to him. Elvis seemed ill, but alert. He looked right at her, and attempted to walk over to her, but the men tightened their grip on him and he was escorted into a room. The door closed. Later, someone went in and this woman caught a brief flash of Elvis solemnly sitting in a chair with several men around him, none of whom she recognized as being a part of his usual entourage. At one point, she heard what she believes to be Elvis’ voice yelling, "No, no, don’t do that!" After which another voice said gruffly, "Shut up!" Minutes later, he was brought from the room by the same two men again. This time he was unconscious, his chin resting on his chest. They threw a cape around him and ‘walked’ him down the hall

....peace to you.:king::cold:

[cameron]

welllllllllllllllllllll.............who knows lots of stories out there in those last years of elvis life .of people that claim to have the absolute truth on stories of how elvis almost died in 77(before august that is) on certain occasions during tours in hotels etc..we will never know the truth..neways ur entitled to post your opinions or stories as you have done there always interesting to read.. have you heard about this story> just a bit of the story... Another witness, Fran Dale, described a scenario in a hotel in which Elvis was staying for a performance in that city. This was apparently after the concert. She saw him come down the hall, again with two men holding on to him. Elvis seemed ill, but alert. He looked right at her, and attempted to walk over to her, but the men tightened their grip on him and he was escorted into a room. The door closed. Later, someone went in and this woman caught a brief flash of Elvis solemnly sitting in a chair with several men around him, none of whom she recognized as being a part of his usual entourage. At one point, she heard what she believes to be Elvis’ voice yelling, "No, no, don’t do that!" After which another voice said gruffly, "Shut up!" Minutes later, he was brought from the room by the same two men again. This time he was unconscious, his chin resting on his chest. They threw a cape around him and ‘walked’ him down the hall

....peace to you.:king::cold:

Yep, I heard that too....Let's hope that's all BS . :'(

[jak]

IMO, unless a doctor has taken care of a patient before and/or has done extensive tests after an examination ; no doctor would or should ever say to a patient "you're going to die in 6 months."

There is a code of ethics doctors are supposed to follow....even in 1977. If they want to keep their license that is.

What was expressed to me last night was that the doctor was making the implications of what could happen.I think youre all taking the comments I posted to literally.This doctor was trying to convince Elvis that he neeeded to be properly checked out.I think the not being able to wakeup might be ared flag.He did mention to Elvis he could have or be headed for congestive heart failure.Elvis looked swollen at that time.Dr Nick spoke to this guy before he saw Elvis on the phone and tried to fill him in I guess on some details.My friend says Elvis was completely lethargic like his blood pressure was way to low.It's just a story told to me over dinner.I know my source and am comfrotable with it so I posted thinking some might find it interesting.She also told me Elvis was here about a week prior to his shows staying at the Sheraton.After performing a concert somewhere he would fly here because he enjoyed it.He got along real well with the head of his security here who wa s acharlotte cop.He never left his room.He just liked reading the paper everyday and watching the tv.She would go get him his favorite burgers from the South21 drive in and usually a bowl of their chili.As ripley would say "Believe it or not".
Jak

[cameron]

What was expressed to me last night was that the doctor was making the implications of what could happen.I think youre all taking the comments I posted to literally.This doctor was trying to convince Elvis that he neeeded to be properly checked out.I think the not being able to wakeup might be ared flag.He did mention to Elvis he could have or be headed for congestive heart failure.Elvis looked swollen at that time.Dr Nick spoke to this guy before he saw Elvis on the phone and tried to fill him in I guess on some details.My friend says Elvis was completely lethargic like his blood pressure was way to low.It's just a story told to me over dinner.I know my source and am comfrotable with it so I posted thinking some might find it interesting.She also told me Elvis was here about a week prior to his shows staying at the Sheraton.After performing a concert somewhere he would fly here because he enjoyed it.He got along real well with the head of his security here who wa s acharlotte cop.He never left his room.He just liked reading the paper everyday and watching the tv.She would go get him his favorite burgers from the South21 drive in and usually a bowl of their chili.As ripley would say "Believe it or not".
Jak


Thanks for explaining .
I would have urged him to have a complete physical too.

[nolvis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jak
What was expressed to me last night was that the doctor was making the implications of what could happen.I think youre all taking the comments I posted to literally.This doctor was trying to convince Elvis that he neeeded to be properly checked out.I think the not being able to wakeup might be ared flag.He did mention to Elvis he could have or be headed for congestive heart failure.Elvis looked swollen at that time.Dr Nick spoke to this guy before he saw Elvis on the phone and tried to fill him in I guess on some details.My friend says Elvis was completely lethargic like his blood pressure was way to low.It's just a story told to me over dinner.I know my source and am comfrotable with it so I posted thinking some might find it interesting.She also told me Elvis was here about a week prior to his shows staying at the Sheraton.After performing a concert somewhere he would fly here because he enjoyed it.He got along real well with the head of his security here who wa s acharlotte cop.He never left his room.He just liked reading the paper everyday and watching the tv.She would go get him his favorite burgers from the South21 drive in and usually a bowl of their chili.As ripley would say "Believe it or not".
Jak


:DThat was really interesting jak!:D(y):king:(y):newyear:

[Getlo]

...no doctor of any kind would tell a patiernt on the spot hes got about 6 months to live if he dosent shape up

A good and competent doctor would!

[Kris P]

no doctor of any kind would tell a patiernt on the spot hes got about 6 months to live if he dosent shape up
A good and competent doctor would!

As I said, not after a perfunctory examination, (in the hallway of a motel, no less), with minimal knowledge of the patients medical history...........to do so would be totally unprofessional..............maybe this quack was Dr Phil?:)

[Getlo]

maybe this quack was Dr Phil?:)

Looks like this "quack" was right on the money, doesn't it?

What a pity Elvis didn't listen to his advice ...

[Kris P]

Looks like this "quack" was right on the money, doesn't it?
Yes, almost to the day.........amazing.;)

[epmoodyblue]

As I said, not after a perfunctory examination, (in the hallway of a motel, no less), with minimal knowledge of the patients medical history...........to do so would be totally unprofessional..............maybe this quack was Dr Phil?:)
doctor phil another quack:lmfao:tottaly agree with u....with minimal knowledge of the patients medical history...........to do so would be totally unprofessional(y):king::cold:

[utmom2008]

doctor phil another quack

What did Dr. Phil do to you 2 guys? :laughing: :harhar:

[Getlo]

to do so would be totally unprofessional(y):king::cold:

He did so.

And he was right! :rolleyes:

[jak]

As I said, not after a perfunctory examination, (in the hallway of a motel, no less), with minimal knowledge of the patients medical history...........to do so would be totally unprofessional..............maybe this quack was Dr Phil?:)

Again youre taking the comments to literally.I also stated that Nick tried to fill this guy in.Nick was the one who requested he be asked to come their to see Elvis.You might be forgetting that Elvis actually looked like hell and it was blatanly obvious he needed medical attention.You are getting youre impressions of his health from just looking at photos.Elvis may have looked much worse in person.Like I said Elvis' condition caused a small panic that day.She told me he was late going on stage that night because he needed time to get it together.I got a feeling if my friend had recounted a story of Elvis' great triumph in Charlotte that night there would be much less skepticism.
Jak

[Kris P]

Again youre taking the comments to literally.I also stated that Nick tried to fill this guy in.Nick was the one who requested he be asked to come their to see Elvis.You might be forgetting that Elvis actually looked like hell and it was blatanly obvious he needed medical attention.You are getting youre impressions of his health from just looking at photos.Elvis may have looked much worse in person.Like I said Elvis' condition caused a small panic that day.She told me he was late going on stage that night because he needed time to get it together.I got a feeling if my friend had recounted a story of Elvis' great triumph in Charlotte that night there would be much less skepticism.
Jak

How else should I take them?

I have stated my position on this story and given legitimate reasons for this and nothing you have said in the meantime has given anymore credence to this half baked 'consultation'.
As for Elvis looking like 'hell', the Doctor would still be derelict in his duty if he had given such a tenuous (if not 'amazingly' accurate) diagnosis.
As for me forming my impressions on Elvis' health via photos, I have no other way of doing so but that is all they are, 'impressions'.

[jak]

How else should I take them?

I have stated my position on this story and given legitimate reasons for this and nothing you have said in the meantime has given anymore credence to this half baked 'consultation'.
As for Elvis looking like 'hell', the Doctor would still be derelict in his duty if he had given such a tenuous (if not 'amazingly' accurate) diagnosis.
As for me forming my impressions on Elvis' health via photos, I have no other way of doing so but that is all they are, 'impressions'.

Im just getting my facts from someone who called him a friend for 5 years.Someone that got to talk to him in private.One thing I did leave out were names because I just cant recall them.She never said "some doctor".She told me his name and his wife's.The Col gave them tickets to the show that night.This guy is still living in Charlotte I think she told me.Seems funny she would give me the guys name if it were fantasy.Could it be you just dont want to believe it?This woman hated telling me the story.Her devotion to Elvis would leave us in her dust.She has nothing to gain by telling it to me either.It saddened her to talk about it.She first got to know him in 72.The guy that almost didnt wake up that night wasnt the same vibrant man she she first encountered.She saw the changes up close.She talked to Elvis.She touched Elvis.She knew Elvis.He gave her a TLC.I've known this person for 9 years and call her a true friend.You can call her story false but I know she was standing right there when these events happened.I have only scratched the surface of the things sse saw while around him.I've been very lucky to have many friends who actually did have personal encounters with Elvis.
Jak

[jak]

"As for Elvis looking like 'hell', the Doctor would still be derelict in his duty if he had given such a tenuous (if not 'amazingly' accurate) diagnosis"

Youre letting devotion block your common sense.This "consultation" took place in the Sheraton hotel.It wasnt a formal situation.The doctor was trying to impress upon Elvis that he had some serious problems that needed attention.Elvis was sitting in a chair the whole time and completely blew the guy off.The head of the local security team who called the doctor asked him to try and convince Elvis he needed medical attention.After Elvis kicked everybody out the comment was made that Elvis was a grown man and you couldnt force him to get checked out.The whole senario is completely plausible.
Go check out the first page on the gallery here from 1977.There is a shot of Elvis from Johnson City taken in Feb.Look and then tell me he looks just fine.I also see there are several photos from the Charlotte concerts.If photos can give us some good impressions then I rest my case regarding the comments about Elvis' appearance.The sundial photos are horrible.
Jak

[epmoodyblue]

What did Dr. Phil do to you 2 guys? :laughing: :harhar:i dunno but ever since i have visited dr phil i just havent been the same since..im all messed up..20497

[utmom2008]

"As for Elvis looking like 'hell', the Doctor would still be derelict in his duty if he had given such a tenuous (if not 'amazingly' accurate) diagnosis"

Youre letting devotion block your common sense.This "consultation" took place in the Sheraton hotel.It wasnt a formal situation.The doctor was trying to impress upon Elvis that he had some serious problems that needed attention.Elvis was sitting in a chair the whole time and completely blew the guy off.The head of the local security team who called the doctor asked him to try and convince Elvis he needed medical attention.After Elvis kicked everybody out the comment was made that Elvis was a grown man and you couldnt force him to get checked out.The whole senario is completely plausible.
Go check out the first page on the gallery here from 1977.There is a shot of Elvis from Johnson City taken in Feb.Look and then tell me he looks just fine.I also see there are several photos from the Charlotte concerts.If photos can give us some good impressions then I rest my case regarding the comments about Elvis' appearance.The sundial photos are horrible.
Jak
Jak...the whole scenario sounds more than plausible to me. I have no medical background, yet one look at a picture from Feb. 77 and I would probably have said the same thing. People are stunned by his appearance in June 77, but compared to just a few months earlier, he looks like a million dollars. Last night (28th), marked 31 years to the day of the last time I saw him in person. Yes..he was overweight in Dallas, but didn't have that "sick" look and coloring that he had just a few weeks later...

[utmom2008]

i dunno but ever since i have visited dr phil i just havent been the same since..im all messed up..20497
:lol::lol::lol: Sure hate to hear that..so now we know who is responsible. :hmm: ;)

[Ematt]

Todd Slaughter thought the end could be near after meeting Elvis on that last tour.

[Diane]

I have no problem believing Jak at all. As Rosanne said, it's very plausible that the doctor could take one look at Elvis and know that he was in serious trouble and needed to do something soon if he wanted to live. Giving him the six month period was most likely to try and shake him up. This was the kind of doctor he should have had around him all along in my mind.

Diane

[jak]

I have no problem believing Jak at all. As Rosanne said, it's very plausible that the doctor could take one look at Elvis and know that he was in serious trouble and needed to do something soon if he wanted to live. Giving him the six month period was most likely to try and shake him up. This was the kind of doctor he should have had around him all along in my mind.

Diane

Thanks Diane.Let me just state once again that Im merely retelling a story told to me.I trust my source and do believe she was standing right there when this happened.
Jak

[Diane]

And I trust what you have to say Jak so we have no problem for sure. If you say that this woman is a truthful person, I believe you. We just don't agree on Priscilla.:D

Diane

[utmom2008]

Let me just state once again that Im merely retelling a story told to me.I trust my source and do believe she was standing right there when this happened.
Jak

Anyone that knows you Jak will have NO problem believing what you are telling...(y)(y) And as you said, I'm sure it was said to be a "wake-up" call, how sad that it didn't work and this Dr. turned out to know exactly what he was talking about. I wonder how many times in the last 30 years that Dr. has thought back on that incident....:hmm::hmm:

[desiree]

He doesn't look too bad to me either. I think I will look worse near my death. I look worse anyway :lol: Thanks for sharing(y)

[Miss Clawdy]

What was expressed to me last night was that the doctor was making the implications of what could happen.I think youre all taking the comments I posted to literally.This doctor was trying to convince Elvis that he neeeded to be properly checked out.I think the not being able to wakeup might be ared flag.He did mention to Elvis he could have or be headed for congestive heart failure.Elvis looked swollen at that time.Dr Nick spoke to this guy before he saw Elvis on the phone and tried to fill him in I guess on some details.My friend says Elvis was completely lethargic like his blood pressure was way to low.It's just a story told to me over dinner.I know my source and am comfrotable with it so I posted thinking some might find it interesting.She also told me Elvis was here about a week prior to his shows staying at the Sheraton.After performing a concert somewhere he would fly here because he enjoyed it.He got along real well with the head of his security here who wa s acharlotte cop.He never left his room.He just liked reading the paper everyday and watching the tv.She would go get him his favorite burgers from the South21 drive in and usually a bowl of their chili.As ripley would say "Believe it or not".
Jak

I believe you too. Why would a good friend tell such a story if it wasn't true?
I fear there was more than one occasion that let the staff get into a panic.
This doctor was the only one there acting professional and did the only right thing.
It is sad that the others, like Nick, were not able to help the doctor
in this opportune moment to convince Elvis to get medical attendance :'(.

[jcanuk]

jak i believe you.there was lots of stuff that went on that we will never here about.

[Malcolm King]

I think there are plenty of pictures from 74 onwards that give telling signs that all is not well with Elvis. Kathy Westmoreland was quoted as saying she knew that Elvis was suffering from cancer and a genetic heart condition from as early as 1971.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

I think there are plenty of pictures from 74 onwards that give telling signs that all is not well with Elvis. Kathy Westmoreland was quoted as saying she knew that Elvis was suffering from cancer and a genetic heart condition from as early as 1971.

As much as I like kathy I just don't put any credence in such comments as Elvis having cancer full stop! I agree there were signs that Elvis was unwell but I believe that people have attributed many illness's to Elvis to compensate for the drug taking.

[cbg84]

The fifth pic is my fave

[Malcolm King]

too true! I've read most of the books available and even when you cross reference stories, there's so much contradiction it's mind blowing. I don't read anything and take it as gospel, instead I just take it as "their" the writers story.

[Silenz]

Well if we consider how he looked in 68-73 he didnt look so great in 77 on this pics. Only som few years and a very big chance in look. Elvis was the greatest looking guy on this planet but lost it in only some few years.