What did Cilla really mean?

[MissyM]

Ok so it has been said that she doesn't want to release some video footage because some of it is just too personal. Is this to keep fans hanging on waiting.(a merchandizing ploy) Or is there really something way personal out there? My naughty mind says that maybe in some she was pregnant and we will find out she was P.G. with Lisa and that's why they got married. Ok, so I have a vivid imagination. But honestly what could be so personal??

[riley]

I think Pris must still have access to lots and lots of personal home movies and pics and we the fans get to see over and over again "the same" footage.

Don't know if she will ever allow us to see more "at all".

[jak]

I think "hamburger james" had some of the answers at one time.

[riley]

haha, yes he might have

[ksimms2]

I give....what did hamburger James say? I've heard of him - rather read some about him in Revelations of MM - but don't remember much about him.

[utmom2008]

I give....what did hamburger James say? I've heard of him - rather read some about him in Revelations of MM - but don't remember much about him.
I'm with Kelly...fill us in! (y)

[Joe Car]

It's about money, she has to milk it as long as she can, if not, the footage will dry up, since EP is no longer with us.

[riley]

it sure is about money but altough EPE brings out new stuff it always has same footage.
In EBTP a lot of home movies were alreaddy seen prior in This is Elvis and in Joe's home movies video...

So sometimes it seems to me we are all paying for new things but are getting old things we have alreaddy on other video's or dvd's....

The really new images or better said unseen home movies and images, it seems to me we will never get any access to.

I said it before, if you count all the home movies fractions we the fans were allowed to see in those 30 years, I don't think we will come to a full 20 minutes.....



And I often wondered too, doesn't Linda have still home movies she might want to share with us or is that forbidden perhaps by EPE (don't know)

[Donut]

I think "hamburger james" had some of the answers at one time.

Did hamburger james see her x home movies too? I wonder what she did with the stuff Joe gave him after Elvis death and why they knew where it was ;)

[Unique Dog]

There are some private moments that I`m sure she would like to keep personal. I don`t blame her at all for this. The world wants every little piece of the man they can get their hands on, let her keep something private for God`s sake.

[rickb]

Of course she may be referring to the `erotic' videos Elvis was alleged to have made

[ksimms2]

Of course she may be referring to the `erotic' videos Elvis was alleged to have made

I heard it was with other females and Pris.....back in the day......I guess I wouldn't want anyone to see those either - if they actually exist.

[Kris P]

I give....what did hamburger James say? I've heard of him - rather read some about him in Revelations of MM - but don't remember much about him.

Apparently some time in 1973, James was busted forging EP's sig on some checks, as well as getting into some Polaroids Elvis had of Priscilla and another girl..........it turns out Elvis flew into a rage upon discovering this, jumped in a car with some of the MM and headed to the airport to 'arrest' Caughley. The story goes, Elvis ran in front of a departing aircraft flashing one of his agency badges. The plane stopped and Elvis boarded, only to find he had stopped the wrong jet.............James was eventually 'apprehended' in the terminal.....James was terminated, in the nicest possible way.:D
According to Sonny West, he still lives in Memphis.

[Rover]

Maybe it's all about money...or maybe Priscilla wants some parts of her life to remain private, I can understand that. I think we will have to wait until Priscilla's death to see footage kept from the public.

[Joe Car]

Apparently some time in 1973, James was busted forging EP's sig on some checks, as well as getting into some Polaroids Elvis had of Priscilla and another girl..........it turns out Elvis flew into a rage upon discovering this, jumped in a car with some of the MM and headed to the airport to 'arrest' Caughley. The story goes, Elvis ran in front of a departing aircraft flashing one of his agency badges. The plane stopped and Elvis boarded, only to find he had stopped the wrong jet.............James was eventually 'apprehended' in the terminal.....James was terminated, in the nicest possible way.:D
According to Sonny West, he still lives in Memphis.

Great story Kris, fricken Elvis, he was too much!:) It was funny, because the story goes on to say that James thought he was going to get whacked, but after getting slapped in the face by EP, he was sent home, no longer a member of the MM.

[Getlo]

Of course she may be referring to the `erotic' videos Elvis was alleged to have made

Very Blue Hawaii, these have been called.

An urban (Elvis) myth, I'd suggest.

And the polaroids of Elvis, Cilla and another chick were not sexual, just posed stuff on the bed. No nudity; nothing major.

[Donut]

Very Blue Hawaii, these have been called.

An urban (Elvis) myth, I'd suggest.

And the polaroids of Elvis, Cilla and another chick were not sexual, just posed stuff on the bed. No nudity; nothing major.

Well I couldn´t care less about Priscilla´s sexual life but if we are to believe was Marty lacker said in "Elvis and the Memphis Mafia" those tapes did exist.

MARTY LACKER: I´ve seen those videotapes of Priscilla and another girl in bed. They´re wrestling in panties and bra. They certainly exist or did.

[MissyM]

I'm sure they would be an embarrassment but not compared to some of the things out there these days. I'm with you...too much information. Put in on my do not need to know/see list. But I would love to see more pix/videos of Lisa and Elvis because he seemed so happy with her in his arms. Or some of the jamming next to the piano. You know the light and casual moments.

[riley]

oh me too , Missy

[cameron]

It's no secret what I think of Marty .
But, I too would like to see more of the "family life" that the Presleys had together .But, to be fair...I wouldn't want my life put out on video for all to see either. :'( They're entitled to keep some memories for themselves .

[Lion]

it sure is about money but altough EPE brings out new stuff it always has same footage.
In EBTP a lot of home movies were alreaddy seen prior in This is Elvis and in Joe's home movies video...

So sometimes it seems to me we are all paying for new things but are getting old things we have alreaddy on other video's or dvd's....

The really new images or better said unseen home movies and images, it seems to me we will never get any access to.

I said it before, if you count all the home movies fractions we the fans were allowed to see in those 30 years, I don't think we will come to a full 20 minutes.....

And I often wondered too, doesn't Linda have still home movies she might want to share with us or is that forbidden perhaps by EPE (don't know)


I agree - there will sure be lots and lots of homevideos still, - but I doubt we will ever have access to see them.

Don´t have to be Priscilla in underwear though, she might find them personal because they show their private family life together, something she wants to keep for her, Lisa Marie and the grandchildren...

[john carpenter]

I agree that there are alot of personal things we will never see. I wouldn't want my dirty laundry aired either. But it would be nice too see footage of Elvis we haven't seen yet (if we haven't seen it all) in 30 years. The footage "Hamburger James"had was distroyed by Priscilla. Or it's still up in Elvis' bedroom.

[Burning_Love]

Hambuger James got the pictures of Priscilla with another woman in Elvis' bedroom, and Elvis found out and so they went after him.

I hope she will release more footage :clap:

[Suzan]

Joe has stated that he gave the briefcase containing both the movies and photos to Pris upon her arrival @ Graceland for the funeral. What she has done w/them nobody knows, or isn't saying. I've heard that she destroyed them, but can't verify w/more then one source, so my stance is that we don't know what she has done w/those items.

[T_J]

Ok so it has been said that she doesn't want to release some video footage because some of it is just too personal. Is this to keep fans hanging on waiting.(a merchandizing ploy) Or is there really something way personal out there? My naughty mind says that maybe in some she was pregnant and we will find out she was P.G. with Lisa and that's why they got married. Ok, so I have a vivid imagination. But honestly what could be so personal??

Do the math on that and you will realise it's impossible. Lisa was born 9 months to the day after the wedding. Think how long it is before a woman knows for sure she is pregnant and then also factor in the need to make wedding arrangements (even if done swiftly). The woman would have been pregnant for probably at least 10 months, if not more, for your scenario to be possible. The point about maybe being pregnant in some footage stretches things even further. After all, no one would be able to tell in the early stages whether she was pregnant or not.

By 'too personal', she likely just means intimate family moments that she thinks should be kept that way. The demand is huge for unseen Elvis footage, but it's easy to understand why Priscilla/Lisa would want to keep at least some just for them.

[utmom2008]

Don´t have to be Priscilla in underwear though, she might find them personal because they show their private family life together, something she wants to keep for her, Lisa Marie and the grandchildren...

:lmfao: I have this visual of Pris showing her grandkids a video of Grandma and another lady frolicking in their underwear! :supriced: :lmfao:

[TotallyInsane]

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:lmfao: I have this visual of Pris showing her grandkids a video of Grandma and another lady frolicking in their underwear! :supriced: :lmfao:

:lol::lol::lmfao::lmfao::doh:

[cameron]

By 'too personal', she likely just means intimate family moments that she thinks should be kept that way. The demand is huge for unseen Elvis footage, but it's easy to understand why Priscilla/Lisa would want to keep at some just for them.
This is what I think Priscilla means too. They have a right to keep some memories for themselves ,IMO.

[presley31]

This is what I think Priscilla means too. They have a right to keep some memories for themselves ,IMO.


they should be able to keep somethings to themselves, but little more footage of elvis would be great.

[cameron]

OK, to Elvis footage ...:lol:
I guess we will never get enough to satisfy our passion for that. Just personal, private moments should belong to them....always. ;) That's just the way I am too.

[beautifulluna10]

we'll never see any more of the home movies lisa is a very private person if it wasn't for her mother we probably would never get to see those home movies

[beautifulluna10]

i'm sure if priscilla hadn't taken home movies of elvis from some of his family and friends they would have done a show a long time ago to release them especially joe he was going to do a show about elvis and release some of those home footages and priscilla got a court order to take those videos saying that those didn't belong to joe but elvis because he asked joe to take the videos for him and so joe didn't get to do the dedication show to elvis

[goodelvisgirl]

well i would love to see some more footage of elvis but she has the right to keep some things personal and there are some things we will never see for whatever reason but maybee she could have another look at what stuff there is and see if there is something she would like to share but i suppose we will have to wait and see

[poormansgold]

Thris my feelings on this tread, we needed closed this tread for good, for ones don't liked Cilla get over it!!!!!! She hasve right To what not be seen by us.,
if you guys have Home movies that you don't want to be seen, you do same thing as cilla did, there line we fans can see things, we are lucky to have granceland opening for us to see, I'm happy i got to see granceland back in 1987 that time The Cars was back of Granceland. the build for Cars was middle of talks where to have it.
I'm done with this Tread.
Tom

[MissyM]

But does she have the right to declare that video's owned by others are her property???

[The King's Queen]

The debate over 'Cilla's rights' will never end. Everyone has a different opinion, and it usually based on whether or not they really like her. I guess, if the video's contained compromising footage of her..then she would have a right to do something to keep them from being made public. My thought on that is this:

She had left Graceland several years before Elvis died...why didn't she take those things with her...or at least dispose of them???:hmm:

I sure wouldn't leave stuff like that behind!

As for the home video footage of family/friends...I suppose there is something to be said for wanting to keep some things out of the public eye. But gee whiz...let's face it...there probably isn't much left that hasn't been put out there for monetary gain anyway!:mad: And even Priscilla herself has written a book and had a hand in several documentaries that have disclosed 'private' stuff about him/them. :hmm:

[cameron]

But does she have the right to declare that video's owned by others are her property???

IF Priscilla is in them; yes she does. You can also find the law where Elvis Presley's name and image is protected and belongs only to EPE.


http://www.photosecrets.com/law.publicity.html

The Right to Publicity is an outgrowth of the Right to Privacy, the fourth category of which is "appropriation of identity." The term was first introduced in 1953:

"We think that, in addition to and independent of that right of privacy ... a man has a right in the publicity value of his photograph, i.e., the right to grant the exclusive privilege of publishing his picture ... For it is common knowledge that many prominent persons ... far from having their feelings bruised through public exposure of their likenesses, would feel sorely deprived if they no longer received money for authorizing advertisements."

-- Judge Jerome Frank, Haelen v Topps, 1953

"One who appropriates to his own use or benefit the name or likeness of another is subject to liability to the other for invasion of privacy."

-- Restatement (Second) of Torts, 652C, American Law Institute.

Publicity is similar to copyright, where a person's identity is the artwork, and emphasis is placed on the degree of commercial use.

[ksimms2]

okay, here is my 2 cents worth, don't start throwing things please:

all the home movies you see are all "happy, happy" Elvis loving on Priscilla, etc. What if some of these home movies don't show Elvis loving on her? Or, what if they don't show him in a positive light? Maybe that is why she keeps these private......she wants us to see how much he loved her - and possibly - wants us to only see the happy Elvis.....????

[Diane Lynn]

Great story Kris, fricken Elvis, he was too much!:) It was funny, because the story goes on to say that James thought he was going to get whacked, but after getting slapped in the face by EP, he was sent home, no longer a member of the MM.
i just love it when a man gets slapped in a movie , by another man . it is like the man is not worth a punch.:D:lol:

[goodelvisgirl]

lol ma' mosa that made me laugh and i agree with ksimms2 maybee there is footage of elvis with other women or showing him in a different light or showing her in a bad light but we will never know everything about elvis for whatever reason but if she owns them then its up to her what she wants to do with them i suppose

[el-zo]

i have to laugh here. It's hilarious. The footage is Priscilla/Lisa's, so they're allowed to decide what they want to do with them. I really believe that they're just private family moments that they don't want the public to see because it's theres and theres alone. Also, Lisa might have something to do with it. Maybe it's got really embarrassing footage of her as a little kid. I know I've seen embarrassing footage of me when I was, like, four and there is no way in hell that I'd want anyone else a part from my family see it and even then I get embarrassed

[I'LLRememberYou]

OK, to Elvis footage ...:lol:
I guess we will never get enough to satisfy our passion for that. Just personal, private moments should belong to them....always. ;) That's just the way I am too.



Yes, I agree.... some things are sacred and should be kept for themselves.

[MissyM]

I have to disagree. If someone else took the videos and owned them then ownership gives them the right but I guess EPE lawyers have the money to defend so it won't happen with out their permission. I don't care to assume what might be on them and make a call based on assumptions. The bottom line for me is that Pricilla and EPE want to control to market everything Elvis. It is in every aspect now, that to me is proof. Besides is there really anything left that would be considered "shocking" to Elvis's fans? I understand that certain things people want to be kept private, but I by no means think that a real friend (Joe)to Elvis would try to release footage that would be bad. So why take him to court over it. Control, and nothing else.

[cameron]

I don't feel that Elvis, Priscilla or Lisa owes me a thing.
Most would feel the same if it was their immediate family put out for public display, IMO.
I know I wouldn't want my family exposed that way. :'(

[MissyM]

Cameron, not saying they owe anything either. They just don't own anyone's personal property. And it is really hard for me to get past that things are about privacy, and protecting Elvis. Not with all Pricilla has said, shown and done.

[cameron]

Cameron, not saying they owe anything either. They just don't own anyone's personal property. And it is really hard for me to get past that things are about privacy, and protecting Elvis. Not with all Pricilla has said, shown and done.
Everyone deals with things their own way. As they say " a picture speaks a thousand words." IF someone had pictures of my children or grandchildren. I just woulldn't like it if they were to put them on public display. There's a lot of nuts out here . ;)

[Diane]

I feel that everyone has the right to some privacy whether they are in the spotlight or not. It must be hell for celebrities having the media constantly trying to dig into their privates lives. Freedom of speech and the press can be taken way too far in my mind....they abuse the privilege to the hilt!

Diane

[Lisarose]

Joe has stated that he gave the briefcase containing both the movies and photos to Pris upon her arrival @ Graceland for the funeral. What she has done w/them nobody knows, or isn't saying. I've heard that she destroyed them, but can't verify w/more then one source, so my stance is that we don't know what she has done w/those items.

Let's hope she was smart enough to destroy anything she found, was given, or should have searched for and destroyed. Only a fool believes they can keep things like that stored away safely! Stinky stuff always gets out and smells up a room.
Close personal moments are cherished, and after all the years of being chased by paparazzi, it really makes one hold onto something personal just to prove that it can be done. I'm glad they shared what they did, but if they're doing it just for the money [:lmfao:] well, I wouldn't be at all surprised by that either. They should realize they aren't fooling anyone with that 'oh look, we just found some film of Elvis' tale!

[utmom2008]

The bottom line for me is that Pricilla and EPE want to control to market everything Elvis. It is in every aspect now, that to me is proof. Besides is there really anything left that would be considered "shocking" to Elvis's fans? I understand that certain things people want to be kept private, but I by no means think that a real friend (Joe)to Elvis would try to release footage that would be bad. So why take him to court over it. Control, and nothing else.

I think you may be on to somethiing Missy. Priscilla and EPE have no problem putting "Elvis" out there to market if it means money in their pockets. Good gosh...Cilla needs to look in the mirror and ask herself how it came to be that she is on Dancing With the Stars. I can tell you she is NOT on there because she played Bobby Ewings girlfriend on Dallas for a couple of seasons. They say they want some privacy....that is great. Let Elvis have some dignity...stop marketing crap like an Elvis sink stopper plug and trash cans. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.;);)

[presley31]

I feel that everyone has the right to some privacy whether they are in the spotlight or not. It must be hell for celebrities having the media constantly trying to dig into their privates lives. Freedom of speech and the press can be taken way too far in my mind....they abuse the privilege to the hilt!

Diane

yep diane l have to agree with you on this one. everyone needs alittle privacy and elvis would of liked that too. I'am sure he would of wanted lisa to have some private family photos for family to treaure though the years.

[The King's Queen]

I think you may be on to somethiing Missy. Priscilla and EPE have no problem putting "Elvis" out there to market if it means money in their pockets. Good gosh...Cilla needs to look in the mirror and ask herself how it came to be that she is on Dancing With the Stars. I can tell you she is NOT on there because she played Bobby Ewings girlfriend on Dallas for a couple of seasons. They say they want some privacy....that is great. Let Elvis have some dignity...stop marketing crap like an Elvis sink stopper plug and trash cans. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.;);)


Rosanne...I totally agree! (y) That's what I've been SCREAMING forever...it's all about the money as long as it is Elvis...when it's them though...they wanna keep 'some things private'. :mad: If they wanna drag out some 'private' home movie footage...then who's to say that they won't drag more out when they need more funds???? I just don't think it's fair either...;)

[presley31]

Doesn't bug me one bit all the footage they have hasn't been shown. let them have some private things to hold on too.