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elvis himselvis
12-04-2007, 02:28 PM
I read the Tupelo's Own Book,and there are pictures of Elvis and Adams,his new ''Hollywood Friend'' and he went along with Elvis to the Homecoming in Tupelo,but I never heard of him after this period...does someboy know more about their relationship,I mean did they stay friends???
Miss Clawdy
12-04-2007, 03:24 PM
As far as I know he was a spy of the Colonel. He committed suicide
I think in 68.
Tony Trout
12-04-2007, 03:29 PM
As far as I know he was a spy of the Colonel. He committed suicide
I think in 68.
The only "spy" that the Colonel had (in regards to Elvis) was Joe Esposito for a period of time.
Elvis and Nick were friends and Elvis was shattered when he heard of his death only four days after bringing Lisa Marie home from the hospital....
Nick hung around Elvis during the period that Elvis was friendly with Natalie Wood and for a short time after. Elvis was a big James Dean fan and Rebel without a cause which both appeared in. I think that was some of the appeal, then Nick was always available for hanging out and good times .
JD
riley
12-05-2007, 12:46 AM
Elvis was such a handsome young man, so I wouldn't be surprised if Nick had some "feelings" for him.
I don't think Elvis knew or realised it at the time at all
In some pics of them together I have the impression Nic had his eyes upon him "a lot"
Maybe at one moment there was a sort of confession perhaps of Nic towards Elvis and maybe that caused the rift..... or perhaps The Colonel told him to get rid of him because of his reputation
It looks to me that after a brief period of being friends they never were seen together again and I always wondered why....
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Miss Clawdy
12-05-2007, 02:44 AM
The only "spy" that the Colonel had (in regards to Elvis) was Joe Esposito for a period of time.
Elvis and Nick were friends and Elvis was shattered when he heard of his death only four days after bringing Lisa Marie home from the hospital....
This is from June Juanico's book 'In the Twilight of Memory':
'We didn't know it at the time, but Nick had been singled out
by Colonel Parker as the weakest link in the chain of Rebels,
and hired him to spy on Elvis, then report back to him. A struggling
actor with no money, Nick's expenses were paid by the Colonel.'
June writes more things about Nick and he appeared in an
unfavourable light.
ksimms2
12-05-2007, 07:12 AM
Wow, didn't know Nick was spying for the Colonel, first time I've heard that. Yes Nick was gay - and of course back then it was taboo. I see what you mean Riley in that pic - Nick sure was giving Elvis the eye. (of course -who could blame him!) I don't know much about Nick other than he did commit suicide - perhaps because of the gay thing? Being labeled and possibly black listed back then? Not sure - I'm sure others have more info than me. Thanks for the photo though because I never knew what he looked like.
Getlo
12-05-2007, 07:18 AM
The older lady in one of these pictures is Nick Adams' mother.
And of course, the young girl is the delectable Natalie Wood. Yum! :blush:
Wow, didn't know Nick was spying for the Colonel, first time I've heard that. Yes Nick was gay - and of course back then it was taboo. I see what you mean Riley in that pic - Nick sure was giving Elvis the eye. (of course -who could blame him!) I don't know much about Nick other than he did commit suicide - perhaps because of the gay thing? Being labeled and possibly black listed back then? Not sure - I'm sure others have more info than me. Thanks for the photo though because I never knew what he looked like.
I've read a book about him and his career was going no where. He was in debt pretty good when he died and getting a divorce.
Nick was in "Rebel Without A Cause" with James Dean and he dubbed in some slurred dialogue for the movie "Giant" for Dean who had died before he could finsih looping some of his scenes. Elvis wanted to know all about Dean from Adams and Wood. Adams who had been in the Dean circle of friends IMO wanted to find a new "best friend" Adams wanted desperatly to be a big movie star-he never really made it.
john carpenter
12-05-2007, 02:23 PM
I heard that Nick Adams was bisexual and had a fling with James dean,but as far as Elvis going for that Nah,he was too much a ladies man and Elvis was so naive about those kind of things anyway
riley
12-05-2007, 02:54 PM
that's why I also think he didn't really saw how Adams looked at him...
ksimms2
12-05-2007, 04:01 PM
I've read a book about him and his career was going no where. He was in debt pretty good when he died and getting a divorce.
Nick was in "Rebel Without A Cause" with James Dean and he dubbed in some slurred dialogue for the movie "Giant" for Dean who had died before he could finsih looping some of his scenes. Elvis wanted to know all about Dean from Adams and Wood. Adams who had been in the Dean circle of friends IMO wanted to find a new "best friend" Adams wanted desperatly to be a big movie star-he never really made it.
Thanks KPM for this info.....I did not know this. I was going to do a search about Nick Adams a long time ago when I first heard about him - but always forgot to do so......thanks! (y)
elvis himselvis
12-06-2007, 12:23 PM
Thanks for your stories(y)(y)
I didn't knew he was gay,or bisexual but is it really true he was a spy for the Colonel?
EnigmaticSun
12-06-2007, 01:06 PM
I have never considered the possibility Nick was a spy. It's a strange world.
I do recall he was supposed to be gay. Well, I'm sorry. We are all sinners, but a sin is a sin and it's wrong being gay. I think it's fair to say that being gay is like murder for that reason. We have the moral duty to prevent our vulnerable children from becoming it - family values prevail over acting abilities.
Joe Car
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
I always had the feeling that Nick Adams seemed to latch onto mega-stars in order to help boost his career, ( obviously James Dean and our boy Elvis ), though I've since changed my mind after hearing his interview in the excellent Tupelo homecoming DVD, where Mr. Adams was interviewed and when asked about his own career, you know, what he was up to and such, he refused to do so, instead having the interviewer focus on it being Elvis' day and Elvis himself, which I thought was very classy of him.
utmom2008
12-06-2007, 01:14 PM
I have never considered the possibility Nick was a spy. It's a strange world.
I do recall he was supposed to be gay. Well, I'm sorry. We are all sinners, but a sin is a sin and it's wrong being gay. I think it's fair to say that being gay is like murder for that reason. We have the moral duty to prevent our vulnerable children from becoming it - family values prevail over acting abilities.
Get ready to duck and run for cover. :D:D:D
Getlo
12-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Well, I'm sorry. We are all sinners, but a sin is a sin and it's wrong being gay. I think it's fair to say that being gay is like murder for that reason. We have the moral duty to prevent our vulnerable children from becoming it - family values prevail over acting abilities.
I presume that, with your being gay (as you've admitted), that this comment was meant to be ironic?
Either way, an opinion like this has no place on an Elvis forum. (n)
EnigmaticSun
12-06-2007, 01:26 PM
I just couldn't help myself. Just trying to copy those guys ("since I'm a Christian and I've been in the military..") and having a laugh here.
I actually don't know too much about Nick Adams. I'd love to read more about the supposed spy-thing. It is a strange world..
I think it's fair to say that being gay is like murder for that reason.
Thats Ridiculous. I guess I missed the joke .
ksimms2
12-06-2007, 04:28 PM
I have never considered the possibility Nick was a spy. It's a strange world.
I do recall he was supposed to be gay. Well, I'm sorry. We are all sinners, but a sin is a sin and it's wrong being gay. I think it's fair to say that being gay is like murder for that reason. We have the moral duty to prevent our vulnerable children from becoming it - family values prevail over acting abilities.
not to get off topic - but sorry I disagree about this. I'm not a big religious person or anything, but I don't condemn people for being different. Now a days it's not big deal in the hollywood scene - back then I guess it was.
ksimms2
12-06-2007, 04:30 PM
I presume that, with your being gay (as you've admitted), that this comment was meant to be ironic?
Either way, an opinion like this has no place on an Elvis forum. (n)
oh, duh! I thought he said he was gay in the past, and was wondering why he was posting this, thanks for clearing this up for me. Once again, i don't judge others because they aren't "like me" or "normal" as society labels normal anyways......please return to your regular programming. :blink:
ksimms2
12-06-2007, 04:31 PM
I always had the feeling that Nick Adams seemed to latch onto mega-stars in order to help boost his career, ( obviously James Dean and our boy Elvis ), though I've since changed my mind after hearing his interview in the excellent Tupelo homecoming DVD, where Mr. Adams was interviewed and when asked about his own career, you know, what he was up to and such, he refused to do so, instead having the interviewer focus on it being Elvis' day and Elvis himself, which I thought was very classy of him.
wow that was classy of him! Someone is sending me a copy of this DVD, I am looking forward to it....thanks!
Getlo
12-06-2007, 05:13 PM
I always had the feeling that Nick Adams seemed to latch onto mega-stars in order to help boost his career, ( obviously James Dean and our boy Elvis ), though I've since changed my mind after hearing his interview in the excellent Tupelo homecoming DVD, where Mr. Adams was interviewed and when asked about his own career, you know, what he was up to and such, he refused to do so, instead having the interviewer focus on it being Elvis' day and Elvis himself, which I thought was very classy of him.
Yeah, that was cool of Nick to have done that.
I never believed Nick latched onto Elvis to boost his own career. While he was never an A-lister (and he is mostly forgotten today) his career - although patchy - was well established by the time he met Elvis.
But I do believe Nick had a bit of a thing for him. It's never been revealed, but maybe that's why they drifted apart over the years? As accommodating as Elvis was, if Nick or some other male friend had said "Oh, by the way E, I'm gay (or bi)" it would have been adios to the friendship quick-smart.
As far as I know, the last time Elvis saw Nick was in 1964. Nick died five days after Lisa Marie was born. I would like to have been there when Elvis, Nick and Dennis Hopper were hanging out.
Useless trivia: Nick's birth name was Nicholas Aloysius Adamshock. :blink:
Diane
12-06-2007, 06:49 PM
I agree with you Getlo, I think Elvis may have been a little edgy around Nick if he had known he was gay.:D I think that if he did find out and wanted to ease out of the friendship though that he would have done it in a decent way. It's never really been proven that James Dean was gay was it? I've always heard it was just a rumor.
Diane
utmom2008
12-06-2007, 06:56 PM
I agree with you Getlo, I think Elvis may have been a little edgy around Nick if he had known he was gay.:D I think that if he did find out and wanted to ease out of the friendship though that he would have done it in a decent way. It's never really been proven that James Dean was gay was it? I've always heard it was just a rumor.
Diane
I can't remember where I read this in the last year..I do remember it was reputable, but I read that it's pretty common knowledge now that James Dean was bi-sexual.....
I can't remember where I read this in the last year..I do remember it was reputable, but I read that it's pretty common knowledge now that James Dean was bi-sexual.....
I"ve read 7 bios on Dean by his "close friends" Some of them have said he was not and others say he was(or was bi-sexual) His high school friends all say he was not. He liked to try and experience everything he could and some of these people have based their opinions of his sexual orientation on that idea. I do not recall any first hand accounts of gay activity in any of the books I have read on him. But I read them years ago so I might be mistaken on that. But to the best of my memory there were no first hand accounts of gay sex.
EnigmaticSun
12-09-2007, 01:53 PM
From what I read it seems that most think Elvis wouldn't hang out with a gay person. I could understand in case somebody would touch Elvis "against his will", but just how homo-phobic was Elvis?
They say strange things about him.. macho, womanizer, racist, homo-phobe .. you name it. All these things don't seem to match up with the way I remember him.
Does anyone happen to know if Liberace's homosexuality was known around the time Elvis met him?
I guess that being gay doesn't fit iconic status, take James Dean for example. To a lot of fans it'd just be too repulsive - by any means my (sin-related) comments were meant to point out an attitude I have often encountered. It often helps to state just the opposite of what I feel and think.
Don't throw "off-topic" at me. It'd be just as wrong discussing James Dean here - my main question is how homo-phobic Elvis really was..?
Does anyone happen to know if Liberace's homosexuality was known around the time Elvis met him?
From what I've always heard it was always pretty much known by people that knew him even a lot of the fans , but He never admitted it publicly even to his dying breath .
Joe Car
12-09-2007, 03:44 PM
Not sure about Elvis, but there were a lot of homophobic guys around in the fifties and sixties, especially the fifties. Heck, Rock Hudson married a woman despite the fact that he was gay, in order to keep up appearances, since he was a sex-symbol. Sad, but true.
EnigmaticSun
12-09-2007, 03:49 PM
Ah well. All athletes are still straight nowadays.. I doubt gays and lesbians have been liberated - people still marry the opposite sex to keep up appearances, so what else is new?
Ruck Hudson's story is rather sad. If memory serves me correctly he was one of the first famous AIDS-victims.
tcbtigerman
12-12-2007, 10:41 AM
Im not sure about Nick Adams being gay.Its funny how people start rumors.It is known though,that after Nick commiting suicide,Elvis took care of Nick's wife and kids and bills etc...for a while.
utmom2008
12-12-2007, 10:42 AM
Im not sure about Nick Adams being gay.Its funny how people start rumors.It is known though,that after Nick commiting suicide,Elvis took care of Nick's wife and kids and bills etc...for a while.
Where did you hear that???
utmom2008
12-12-2007, 10:44 AM
Ah well. All athletes are still straight nowadays.. I doubt gays and lesbians have been liberated - people still marry the opposite sex to keep up appearances, so what else is new?
Ruck Hudson's story is rather sad. If memory serves me correctly he was one of the first famous AIDS-victims.
Yes, he was. I remember like it was yesterday seeing them bring him off that plane on a gurney. This was on the heels of the "Dynasty" controversy, when he didn't tell Linda Evans he had AIDS and there was still thoughts of catching it from kissing. October...1985
Miss Clawdy
12-12-2007, 12:00 PM
I just couldn't help myself. Just trying to copy those guys ("since I'm a Christian and I've been in the military..") and having a laugh here.
I actually don't know too much about Nick Adams. I'd love to read more about the supposed spy-thing. It is a strange world..
Here's a bit more from June's book:
It wasn't until doing research for this book that I learned Bitsy Mott was
the Colonel's brother-in-law, and that, like Nick Adams, he was a paid informer.
Nick was trying to make me jealous, and I couldn't understand why (Nick presented Elvis
a dress from Natalie Wood she sent him as a souvenir).
Later, when Elvis and I were alone, I asked him what Nick was trying to prove.
'I don't think Nick likes me,' I said. 'I wish you would've invited him to come visit
some other time, when I wasn't here.'
'I didn't invite him, June. He more or less invited himself. He's okay, baby. He's
just a lonesome little guy struggling to make it in Hollywood.
Keep being nice to him, June. He needs friends,' Elvis added,
showing his tender side. He always felt sorry for the underdog.
Nick was hard to figure out. Around Elvis, he was lighthearted
and funny. But when Elvis wasn't around, he was very serious with me,
constantly asking me personal questions - to the point of being
downright nosy. He knew things about me he could only have heard
from Elvis, and Elvis wasn't much of a talker when it came to his
personal life. I figured he must have been pumping Elvis for information
as well.
'Just how serious is it between you and Elvis, June? Do you two plan
to get married anytime soon, or what?' he asked.
'Nick I know you're supposed to be writing a book about James Dean.
Are you thinking of writing one about me too?' I answered, politely
evading his questions. 'If you want to know anything about Elvis and me,
I suggest you ask Elvis. If I didn't know better, I'd swear you were
a reporter,' I said, laughing him off. Nick would laugh too - but he
would keep on asking.
Nick even asked Pat if Elvis and I were sleeping together.
Nick was like Elvis's shadow. If we wanted to spend some time alone,
Elvis had to tell Nick to go find something to do, usually suggesting he
do a little PR at the front gate. Nick loved being the big shot and signing autographs - even
though they were all Elvis fans.
June tells nothing about Nick possibly being gay in her book. One time
Elvis asked him: 'Do you ever think of anything but girls?'
Nick made a movie in 1958 With Tommy Sands called "Sing, Boy Sing"
the tag line for the movie was:
THE STORY OF THE PREACHER'S SON WHO BECAME THE ROCK 'N' ROLL KING!
Nick played the traveling companion for Tommy Sands- Elvis inspired character. It was not a great movie but Adams did have some idea of what traveling with a "King of Rock 'N' Roll" was like.
Diane
12-13-2007, 03:51 PM
I remember seeing that movie Sing Boy Sing with Tommy Sands and loved it. I don't remember Nick Adams being in it.
Diane
john carpenter
12-13-2007, 04:49 PM
God is this getting wierd..No one needs to judge ,only god,JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED.
riley
12-14-2007, 01:11 AM
good post Miss Clawdy, I enjoyed reading it.
Boy he was nosy indeed and (I still stick to my opinion,) intrested in Elvis
EnigmaticSun
12-14-2007, 10:47 AM
June tells nothing about Nick possibly being gay in her book. One time
Elvis asked him: 'Do you ever think of anything but girls?'
Peculiar that so many seem to know/think Nick was gay. I just don't know about that.
I would say that, if this is true, Nick's role around Elvis was dubious.
Let me remind you again, just so things don't get heated up: I think it's perfectly okay being gay.
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