Why did Elvis and Pricilla

[MissyM]

Keep up the image? Every time I look at a picture of them they look so happy and loving. But not that long after Lisa was born their relationship was in deep trouble. Look at the Christmas pictures of them? Man, they were good. Behind the scenes things were a mess?????

[Diane]

It's what most people do except to their closest friends. Most pictures of Elvis and Priscilla together look happy except I've noticed on a few photos and especially videos of when in a group and Elvis is running around playing with the rest, Priscilla just stands there and poses looking unhappy. I don't think she felt comfortable playing nor did she have much of a sense of humor which with Elvis you would have had to have. They were just too different.

Diane

[presley31]

Happens sometimes l guess, my parents were married for 30 years and my dad was unhappy for pretty much the last years. To be honest we weren't there in there private time just the two of them so really we don't know what happend.

[riley]

who choose the most to keep up the image and why???

[Alessia]

Keep up the image? Every time I look at a picture of them they look so happy and loving. But not that long after Lisa was born their relationship was in deep trouble. Look at the Christmas pictures of them? Man, they were good. Behind the scenes things were a mess?????

Maybe those pictures just capture them in their good moments.

I'm not sure how well they kept up the facade overall as the marriage fell apart. Because in Scotty Moore's book, he makes it pretty clear that the marriage was a mess by the time the Comeback Special was filmed (he describes the MM frantically trying to track down Priscilla, out with her "dance instructor," before Elvis got back from rehearsals one night). And Scotty Moore overall is pretty discreet. If he says things were bad, they must have been obviously very bad to the people around Elvis and Priscilla.

[presley31]

well if elvis wasn't happy he should of been over the moon with priscilla out of his life, The MM book stated elvis didn't care for priscilla after LIsa was born so l guess there marriage was gone.

[riley]

but we all know he was not happy at all once she left him.
On the contrary, still believe it was the beginning of the end for him

[Tony Trout]

The marriage was seriously on the rocks by the time of the filming of the "'68 Comeback Special"....I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did and that they didn't divorce before 1973.


He wasn't happy mainly because the breakup seriously hurt his ego....

[Getlo]

but we all know he was not happy at all once she left him. On the contrary, still believe it was the beginning of the end for him

I'd suggest the unhappiness had more to do with missing Lisa than Priscilla. He would have been glad, overall, to see the back of Cilla. Her leaving was an ego blow to him, but he eventually took in his stride.

As for the beginning of the end? It had started before the marriage failed.

[Tony Trout]

I'd suggest the unhappiness had more to do with missing Lisa than Priscilla. He would have been glad, overall, to see the back of Cilla. Her leaving was an ego blow to him, but he eventually took in his stride.

As for the beginning of the end? It had started before the marriage failed.


I agree...I frankly think that Priscilla was just a "trophy" for him and he lost interest in her really quick...

[riley]

I also think Lisa was the one he missed the most...
Getlo you are saying the downfall began alreaddy before marriage...

It never showed at that time, that is for certain, can you please explain a bit more to me???

[presley31]

I agree...I frankly think that Priscilla was just a "trophy" for him and he lost interest in her really quick...

Lisa was considered a trophy to according to the MM.

[presley31]

I also think Lisa was the one he missed the most...
Getlo you are saying the downfall began alreaddy before marriage...

It never showed at that time, that is for certain, can you please explain a bit more to me???

Lisa says she seen elvis lots of times.

[Tony Trout]

Lisa was considered a trophy to according to the MM.


And I'm pretty sure that Priscilla was also a "trophy" for him.....

[riley]

what is lots of times, Jen...
I don't believe they saw each other that much apart from the holiday periods.
When he was in LA he probably saw her a bit more, but Elvis was also in Memphis a lot and on the road and I'm sure he missed her a lot.
He was used to seeing her almost on daily base and then having her taken away from him...
I can really feel more or less his pain at that moment...

[presley31]

what is lots of times, Jen...
I don't believe they saw each other that much apart from the holiday periods.
When he was in LA he probably saw her a bit more, but Elvis was also in Memphis a lot and on the road and I'm sure he missed her a lot.
He was used to seeing her almost on daily base and then having her taken away from him...
I can really feel more or less his pain at that moment...

Read Lisa interviews riley,Lisa clams to have been with elvis quite alot in the last years.

[Getlo]

Lisa was considered a trophy to according to the MM.

You mean Priscilla here?

Or are you saying that the MM said that Elvis' daughter - the one, true love of his life - was a trophy to Elvis?

If so, where did they say this?

[Sonny]

In fact you can see Elvis' life going downhill after the divorce. I think Priscilla had some influence on him when she was there, after she was gone things changed for sure.

And to my knowledge Lisa spent a lot of time with dad. She was there at concerts at well, several times in fact. And she spent a lot of time at Graceland at well.

[ksimms2]

I think that Elvis felt he had to marry Priscilla at some point, and after speaking with the Colonel, he finally did. I'm reading Priscilla's, "Elvis & Me" right now and I'm suprised, I actually like it. I don't like the movie, but so far, I don't see where the movie is like the book much. She says that the Colonel did have a talk with Elvis, but ultimately it was up to Elvis if he married her. She also talks of him coming to her while she was 7 months pregnant asking her for a separation, but that he never mentioned it again and after a few days, things were back to normal. She thought it had something to do with his fighting his internal demons with him cheating, knowing it was wrong, but unable to resist it. Which makes sense. They do look happy in the photo's. I think Elvis would have been happy with her waiting for him with open arms after each tour - not questioning anything he did - he probably could have continued that way for a long time I guess......(no Pris comments please, I'm not saying she tells the whole truth....just starting to see her side of things too I guess)

[Getlo]

I think Elvis would have been happy with her waiting for him with open arms after each tour - not questioning anything he did - he probably could have continued that way for a long time I guess.

That's the point: the situation you descrbe is one that Elvis would have wanted, sure. But it would not have been fair to Priscilla, nor to any other woman in that particular environment.

Elvis wanted to have a faithful wife, a trophy woman who kept her place and didn't speak up too much ... while he would have been happy to get it on with groupies, other girlfriends and what-not whilst on the road, and at home when Cilla was away.

But he couldn't have it both ways.

I am genuinely amazed (and actually quite a bit sickened) by those who believe Elvis stayed completely faithful during the marriage (the poster "Lee" over on Topix is seriously deluded in that regard). It's total rot. They both cheated at various times.

As I've said before, the only good thing to come out of that marriage was Lisa.

[ruggishboo]

That's the point: the situation you descrbe is one that Elvis would have wanted, sure. But it would not have been fair to Priscilla, nor to any other woman in that particular environment.

Elvis wanted to have a faithful wife, a trophy woman who kept her place and didn't speak up too much ... while he would have been happy to get it on with groupies, other girlfriends and what-not whilst on the road, and at home when Cilla was away.

But he couldn't have it both ways.

I am genuinely amazed (and actually quite a bit sickened) by those who believe Elvis stayed completely faithful during the marriage (the poster "Lee" over on Topix is seriously deluded in that regard). It's total rot. They both cheated at various times.

As I've said before, the only good thing to come out of that marriage was Lisa.

Elvis had plenty of temptation, and gave in to it. As did Priscilla. You're right, the one good thing to come out of that marriage was Lisa. Sure, they could have really tried to keep the marriage together, I just don't think either one of them knew what it took to keep it up. It's also hard to keep things going when you don't see each other much, as was the case from 1970 on, mostly due to Elvis's schedule and his reluctance to take Priscilla on the road with him. The fissures in their marriage occured early on and steadily ripped it apart.

[utmom2008]

Lisa says she seen elvis lots of times.
Seeing alot of Elvis is still not the same as living in a home with your mom and dad. The marriage probably lasted as long as it did because he didn't want to be apart from Lisa.

[utmom2008]

I think Elvis would have been happy with her waiting for him with open arms after each tour - not questioning anything he did - he probably could have continued that way for a long time I guess......(no Pris comments please, I'm not saying she tells the whole truth....just starting to see her side of things too I guess)

:lol::lol: Wouldn't that be every man's dream???? :hmm::hmm: Sorry guys, but I just had to ask :D:D

[Getlo]

Seeing alot of Elvis is still not the same as living in a home with your mom and dad. The marriage probably lasted as long as it did because he didn't want to be apart from Lisa.

Indeed.

Lisa was not with Elvis as much as she "remembers" being with him. The minutiae of Elvis' life in the 70s is presented in great detail: the facts about dates etc simply refute a lot of what she says. As do the recollections of those who were there with him as adults ... as opposed to a kid.

[MissyM]

Diane, you made a good point about the pictures. I guess I just always thought she looked bored at the time.

Ok, here is my take on the premise that Elvis cheated during marriage. I thought that to for a long time. But, I looked at the Elvis diaries and there was little time for him to do so. He stayed pretty close to home while Pricilla was pregnant. (mostly recording) Elvis had no promise to be faithful to her while she lived at Graceland. But Elvis was really big on keeping promises, even the ones that he should have never made. In his marriage vows he did promise to be faithful, so I think he tried to be. Also, I don't think he would risk upsetting Pricilla. Things may not have been great but his mother losing his twin, I'm thinking he would have been protective of Pricilla carrying his child. Also Pricilla (not that I believe all she says) said that they led an active sex life during the pregnancy. Makes sense since he was around alot. So, I feel there is more evidence that he tried to be faithful and she cheated first. I think that is part of why he was so devastated when she did. If he did make a commitment to keep his vows and she did not keep them, that had to be hard. I think once Elvis committed he tried his best. Now you can say that he wasn't faithful to any women after, but mind you, he had no marriage committment to them. And quite possibly why he never married after. He did not want to try and be faithful. Once Pricilla cheated the vows were broken and he prob. thought he was released from his to her.

[SleepyJack]

On the dvd collection "Definitive Elvis-Silver" and "Gold" there is a whole episode dedicated to "Elvis and Priscilla" and some interesting comments on the relationship.There is also some speculation about how Elvis seemed to lose interest in Priscilla,or at least in having a sexual relationship with her,once she became a mother.For me though the comment on there that seemed really odd to me was one on the first meetings with Priscilla when Elvis was amazed at her bone structure and how it was perfect....is it just me or does that seem odd??

[Getlo]

on the first meetings with Priscilla when Elvis was amazed at her bone structure and how it was perfect....is it just me or does that seem odd??

Yeah, a little.

Elvis was enchanted by the looks of this girl (who, Elvis fans tend to conveniently overlook, was just 14 - 14 !! - at the time!); she was like a porcelain doll.

He was enamoured of her beauty; and read far too much into her personality than what was actually there.

Everyone says Cilla was very mature for her age, but I mean come on. I always found Elvis' approach towards a 14-year-old girl more than a little creepy. And the fact that everyone seemed to go along with it (including Cilla's parents - what on earth were they thinking?!) even more so.

I'm afraid the relationship was doomed from minute one. Once he got back to the States, he should've sent her a Dear Jane letter and a whole box of LPs to remember him by!

His life would've turned out a whole lot better.

[Alessia]

Yeah, a little.

Elvis was enchanted by the looks of this girl (who, Elvis fans tend to conveniently overlook, was just 14 - 14 !! - at the time!); she was like a porcelain doll.

He was enamoured of her beauty; and read far too much into her personality than what was actually there.

Everyone says Cilla was very mature for her age, but I mean come on. I always found Elvis' approach towards a 14-year-old girl more than a little creepy. And the fact that everyone seemed to go along with it (including Cilla's parents - what on earth were they thinking?!) even more so.

I'm afraid the relationship was doomed from minute one. Once he got back to the States, he should've sent her a Dear Jane letter and a whole box of LPs to remember him by!

His life would've turned out a whole lot better.


And the fact that everyone seemed to go along with it (including Cilla's parents - what on earth were they thinking?!) even more so.

I'll never be convinced that they were thinking of anything other than $$$$.

Because with the Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry scandals, all Priscilla's parents had to do was tell Elvis and Colonel Parker that they were going to the media.

And that, IMO, would have been that for Elvis. I just don't believe he'd have risked a huge media scandal.

[SleepyJack]

It has always seemed beyond belief to me that Priscilla`s parents ever let her anywhere near Elvis, the wildman of rock`n`roll.......I think they may have been the first to see huge dollar-signs calling them.

[Stryx]

I'll never be convinced that they were thinking of anything other than $$$$.

Because with the Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry scandals, all Priscilla's parents had to do was tell Elvis and Colonel Parker that they were going to the media.

And that, IMO, would have been that for Elvis. I just don't believe he'd have risked a huge media scandal.

Well if they were thinking of $$$$ didn't they do very well for themselves as the Beaulieu's now have everything Elvis ever did.

Lisa is more a Beaulieu than a Presley - sure she looks like her dad, but shes her mothers daughter.

As for of they were in it for cash from the very start - that im not too sure of.

[ksimms2]

That's the point: the situation you descrbe is one that Elvis would have wanted, sure. But it would not have been fair to Priscilla, nor to any other woman in that particular environment.

Elvis wanted to have a faithful wife, a trophy woman who kept her place and didn't speak up too much ... while he would have been happy to get it on with groupies, other girlfriends and what-not whilst on the road, and at home when Cilla was away.

But he couldn't have it both ways.

I am genuinely amazed (and actually quite a bit sickened) by those who believe Elvis stayed completely faithful during the marriage (the poster "Lee" over on Topix is seriously deluded in that regard). It's total rot. They both cheated at various times.

As I've said before, the only good thing to come out of that marriage was Lisa.

Yes I agree it was completely unfair to Priscilla for sure. Lisa is the only good product of that marriage. It's a shame really, because theirs could have really been "THE" romance......King and Queen type story.

[ksimms2]

Diane, you made a good point about the pictures. I guess I just always thought she looked bored at the time.

Ok, here is my take on the premise that Elvis cheated during marriage. I thought that to for a long time. But, I looked at the Elvis diaries and there was little time for him to do so. He stayed pretty close to home while Pricilla was pregnant. (mostly recording) Elvis had no promise to be faithful to her while she lived at Graceland. But Elvis was really big on keeping promises, even the ones that he should have never made. In his marriage vows he did promise to be faithful, so I think he tried to be. Also, I don't think he would risk upsetting Pricilla. Things may not have been great but his mother losing his twin, I'm thinking he would have been protective of Pricilla carrying his child. Also Pricilla (not that I believe all she says) said that they led an active sex life during the pregnancy. Makes sense since he was around alot. So, I feel there is more evidence that he tried to be faithful and she cheated first. I think that is part of why he was so devastated when she did. If he did make a commitment to keep his vows and she did not keep them, that had to be hard. I think once Elvis committed he tried his best. Now you can say that he wasn't faithful to any women after, but mind you, he had no marriage committment to them. And quite possibly why he never married after. He did not want to try and be faithful. Once Pricilla cheated the vows were broken and he prob. thought he was released from his to her.

Missy, Priscilla does say in her book that once they found out they were pregnant Elvis did stick close to home. However, while away filming his movies he messed around with nearly every co-star and then some. So Elvis was definately committing adultery over and over. Also, while they entertained at their homes - Elvis would blatantly flirt with Pris sitting right there (well atleast before they got married anyways) and it drove her nuts. I'd have to say - it would drive me nuts too. She talks about during one of his bible studies - these groupies were there acting like they were paying attention to what he was saying - and one girl had her blouse unbuttoned all the way down her navel and was making eyes at Elvis.......and he was flirting.....let me tell you......if that were me - and I witnessed that - I'd tell that girl in front of everyone, BUTTON YOUR TOP - WE ARE DISCUSSING GOD HERE - WHAT ARE YOU THINKING????? and embarrass the heck out of her. (or punched her...whichever would have felt better at the time! :lmfao:)

[utmom2008]

Lisa is more a Beaulieu than a Presley - sure she looks like her dad, but shes her mothers daughter.

Why do you say that Stryx? Is it because she has put such a distance between herself and the Presley side of the family??

[Stryx]

Yes.

She was raised by Priscilla - not by Elvis. She is a Californian, she most certainly isn't a Memphian or even a Southerner.

Lisa has distanced herself from the Presley side of the family and by all accounts apart from the people that her mother likes who knew her father - she has little to do with who her father liked. And that for me says one very scary thing - Lisa may actually not have liked Elvis Presley had she known him properly.

She seems to abhore the majority of his friends and why she doesen't have anything to do with Billy Smith is beyond belief.

Without going into it, we know what Elvis thought of the Hollywood crowd and Scientology - two circles Lisa seems very comfortable in, just like her mother.

Her father used to sometimes sleep between Billy and Jo when he was in his 40's, Elvis trusted and loved Billy above and beyond the rest of the group - yet Lisa has distanced herself.

Perhaps hanging out with someone who works in a factory and who used work on the railroad is too much to ask her?

Her father used drive a truck for a living and shes only one generation removed from that.

That annoys me about her.

[utmom2008]

Yes.

She was raised by Priscilla - not by Elvis. She is a Californian, she most certainly isn't a Memphian or even a Southerner.

Lisa has distanced herself from the Presley side of the family and by all accounts apart from the people that her mother likes who knew her father - she has little to do with who her father liked. And that for me says one very scary thing - Lisa may actually not have liked Elvis Presley had she known him properly.

She seems to abhore the majority of his friends and why she doesen't have anything to do with Billy Smith is beyond belief.

Without going into it, we know what Elvis thought of the Hollywood crowd and Scientology - two circles Lisa seems very comfortable in, just like her mother.

Her father used to sometimes sleep between Billy and Jo when he was in his 40's, Elvis trusted and loved Billy above and beyond the rest of the group - yet Lisa has distanced herself.

Perhaps hanging out with someone who works in a factory and who used work on the railroad is too much to ask her?

Her father used drive a truck for a living and shes only one generation removed from that.

That annoys me about her.
I thought that's probably what you meant and I have to agree 100%. It seems as though the only person she likes that liked Elvis is Jerry Schilling. No...there's not alot of "Southern" in Lisa..:lol: The thing with Billy Smith is beyond belief, does anyone have any idea what that is all about?? Billy was the closest thing that Elvis had to being a brother. Like you..I don't want to cast stones, but, the Scientology thing just blows my mind..:hmm::hmm: How big exactly was the rift that Lisa and Priscilla had with each other???

[Stryx]

I thought that's probably what you meant and I have to agree 100%. It seems as though the only person she likes that liked Elvis is Jerry Schilling. No...there's not alot of "Southern" in Lisa..:lol: The thing with Billy Smith is beyond belief, does anyone have any idea what that is all about?? Billy was the closest thing that Elvis had to being a brother. Like you..I don't want to cast stones, but, the Scientology thing just blows my mind..:hmm::hmm: How big exactly was the rift that Lisa and Priscilla had with each other???


The thing with Billy?

Well he hasn't been on the grounds of Graceland since 84', that's what he told me in August.

I believe it had to do with Billy working as a lowly tour guide manager just after Graceland opened and when Priscilla visited she used to hug him, but never promoted him.

He just got fed and quit and I don't think they have been in touch since.

They are probabaly furious at Billy for his questions about the will and also Billy was probabaly uncomfortable as Delta made no secret of her feelings about the fans being in the house.

[utmom2008]

The thing with Billy?

Well he hasn't been on the grounds of Graceland since 84', that's what he told me in August.

23 years?? That is horrible.:angry: I guess it doesn't bother Lisa.:angry:

[MissyM]

Yeh well you are right on that about Billy. And when you bring children into it, it stinks IMO. Danny and Joey are her cousins, what did they ever do wrong?

[utmom2008]

Yeh well you are right on that about Billy. And when you bring children into it, it stinks IMO. Danny and Joey are her cousins, what did they ever do wrong?
Have Danny and Joey tried to make contact with her through the years? I always get the feeling when I see Lisa in Memphis with Graceland activities that she is kind of "going through the motions" so to speak. She doesn't convey the feeling of Graceland being "home"....IMO.;);)

[MissyM]

I'm not sure utmom. I would never ask them either. I wonder though.

[Unique Dog]

When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.

[utmom2008]

When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.
Why do you have a problem with Billy Smith? :hmm::hmm::hmm:

[Unique Dog]

When the gravy train stopped that`s when they (some family members and MM members) got pissed off and the negative campaign against Priscilla began. Billy was no exception. In fact, he was one of the first to jump on the bandwagon.

[Stryx]

When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.

Billy Smith disgusts you?

You better be glad Elvis aint around, you'd probabaly need someone to pick you off the floor if you said that in front of him.

As for 14 year old Priscilla, personally I do think it was a little strange, but Rise Smith who was 15 when Elvis was 42? Plzzz....

[Stryx]

When the gravy train stopped that`s when they (some family members and MM members) got pissed off and the negative campaign against Priscilla began. Billy was no exception. In fact, he was one of the first to jump on the bandwagon.

Billy was entitled to jump on the bandwagon as you so aptly put it. Billy looked after Elvis basically 24/7 in his last few months, i think Billy earned everything he got from Elvis and more.

Billy didn't deserve the treatment from Vernon after Elvis passed either.

Why don't you start showing some examples of what Billy did that was so disgusting?

[cameron]

When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.

I agree with all you said.One has to remember the era he lived and what folks did then.
As for the MM and some of "the family". I wouldn't want to keep in touch with them ether.Lisa doesn't really know them and IMO, doesn't want to.
I can't say I blame her. She nor her dad owe them a thing.

[Stryx]

[/B]

I agree with all you said.One has to remember the era he lived and what folks did then.
As for the MM and some of "the family". I wouldn't want to keep in touch with them ether.Lisa doesn't really know them and IMO, doesn't want to.
I can't say I blame her. She nor her dad owe them a thing.

Maybe one of you two could offer up something to back up those claims?

Seeing as you both agree on Billy being this terrible individual maybe one of you could provide something to actually back that up?

What has Billy done to Elvis, since Elvis died that is so terrible?

[utmom2008]

[/B]

I agree with all you said.One has to remember the era he lived and what folks did then.
As for the MM and some of "the family". I wouldn't want to keep in touch with them ether.Lisa doesn't really know them and IMO, doesn't want to.
I can't say I blame her. She nor her dad owe them a thing.
The main reason she doesn't know them is because her Mother never let her get to know them after Elvis died. I think it's a shame that Lisa seems to know so little of the Presley side and of her dad's friends and family. I don't think anyone will nominate Cilla as "outstanding parent of the decade".......;);)

[cameron]

Maybe one of you two could offer up something to back up those claims?

Seeing as you both agree on Billy being this terrible individual maybe one of you could provide something to actually back that up?

What has Billy done to Elvis, since Elvis died that is so terrible?

I don't have to back up anything. It's my opinion.

[cameron]

The main reason she doesn't know them is because her Mother never let her get to know them after Elvis died. I think it's a shame that Lisa seems to know so little of the Presley side and of her dad's friends and family. I don't think anyone will nominate Cilla as "outstanding parent of the decade".......;);)
That's true that Cilla and Lisa lived in Cal. and didn't see many of them.
My family's the same way. Not saying that's good; just a fact of life.

I won't be nominating Cilla as "parent of the decade" {that's my problem with her} .But, who if us are ?

[Stryx]

I don't have to back up anything. It's my opinion.

Well it seems to be baseless and flawed.

[MissyM]

Where do I start. I am not sure I should even address this as I am hot as hell quite frankly. First of all your claims that anyone in this family launched a campaign against Cilla is an out right lie. Revelation was not even writtten untill way after Billy was put out of Graceland. Do you know how many people wanted him to write a book prior to that?? No you don't. Several but he wouldn't. And it gets my goat that there is this long standing idea that the Smiths tried to suck the blood out of Elvis financially. Yes, on occasion they asked for help, but once Elvis made it clear that he was not going to help them unless they helped themselves they stopped asking. And like someone said, give some proof. What exactly did they ask for huh. Now be really careful here because I know plenty. Shoot there is so much I can't say and it's frustrating. But the Smith stayed out of the limelight. Got any pictures of them hamming it up? Nope. How many books have they written??? How many have the friends of Pricilla written. Oh and let me tell you there is plenty more they could say. Yep there were some who were not the most responsible while young. But most of them left are decent people. They were poor and they were a regular family with problems. Maybe it's hard to understand because most people probably weren't raised dirt poor and struggling hard and then watch your relative become a millionaire. Billy is a fine human being and anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. Have you met him, have you personally talked to him, do you know him?
If you want to trash my family with the truth, I have no problem with that. It's when people trash them with lies that I find very, very hard to deal with.

[utmom2008]

Where do I start. I am not sure I should even address this as I am hot as hell quite frankly. First of all your claims that anyone in this family launched a campaign against Cilla is an out right lie. Revelation was not even writtten untill way after Billy was put out of Graceland. Do you know how many people wanted him to write a book prior to that?? No you don't. Several but he wouldn't. And it gets my goat that there is this long standing idea that the Smiths tried to suck the blood out of Elvis financially. Yes, on occasion they asked for help, but once Elvis made it clear that he was not going to help them unless they helped themselves they stopped asking. And like someone said, give some proof. What exactly did they ask for huh. Now be really careful here because I know plenty. Shoot there is so much I can't say and it's frustrating. But the Smith stayed out of the limelight. Got any pictures of them hamming it up? Nope. How many books have they written??? How many have the friends of Pricilla written. Oh and let me tell you there is plenty more they could say. Yep there were some who were not the most responsible while young. But most of them left are decent people. They were poor and they were a regular family with problems. Maybe it's hard to understand because most people probably weren't raised dirt poor and struggling hard and then watch your relative become a millionaire. Billy is a fine human being and anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. Have you met him, have you personally talked to him, do you know him?
If you want to trash my family with the truth, I have no problem with that. It's when people trash them with lies that I find very, very hard to deal with.
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[Stryx]

Where do I start. I am not sure I should even address this as I am hot as hell quite frankly. First of all your claims that anyone in this family launched a campaign against Cilla is an out right lie. Revelation was not even writtten untill way after Billy was put out of Graceland. Do you know how many people wanted him to write a book prior to that?? No you don't. Several but he wouldn't. And it gets my goat that there is this long standing idea that the Smiths tried to suck the blood out of Elvis financially. Yes, on occasion they asked for help, but once Elvis made it clear that he was not going to help them unless they helped themselves they stopped asking. And like someone said, give some proof. What exactly did they ask for huh. Now be really careful here because I know plenty. Shoot there is so much I can't say and it's frustrating. But the Smith stayed out of the limelight. Got any pictures of them hamming it up? Nope. How many books have they written??? How many have the friends of Pricilla written. Oh and let me tell you there is plenty more they could say. Yep there were some who were not the most responsible while young. But most of them left are decent people. They were poor and they were a regular family with problems. Maybe it's hard to understand because most people probably weren't raised dirt poor and struggling hard and then watch your relative become a millionaire. Billy is a fine human being and anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. Have you met him, have you personally talked to him, do you know him?
If you want to trash my family with the truth, I have no problem with that. It's when people trash them with lies that I find very, very hard to deal with.


I have and he's a great guy.

Some people on here jump to conclusions with no evidence.

You already have seen one of the supporters of this farce saying it's there opinion and they don't have to back it up!

I can guess your opinion of them!:lmfao:

[MissyM]

Well I feel better knowing there are people who don't buy some of the stuff. I'm glad you got to meet Billy. Wish you could have met his mom. OMgosh sweet sweet lady! And Bobby, Bobby had his problems but he was kind of like Elvis. If he had something he'd share it. One time when he was up here he took all the kids to the Carnival. He treated everyone of them. And thanks utmom, gosh I try to contain myself but ya know, it's hard at times.

[Stryx]

MissyM they sound like real good stories.

Would you be prepared to share some more?

And maybe fill in everyone here what the Smith side of Elvis's family - those that are still living - are up to these days?

[MissyM]

They are just working people struggling like most of us. No, not perfect by any means but some of this stuff is way overblown. What can I say, they work, they raise their families and no one has asked for anything for over 45 years. There are five cousins left besides Billy that are our cousins. (that isn't counting their children-which would be second cousins to Elvis) Like Elvis when you go see them, you better be ready to sit a spell and have a bite to eat. Ohh, good southern food! We are hoping to get down there this spring.

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[Stryx]

Is there much talk about Bobby?

[MissyM]

I guess it depends on what you think is much. If we see a video or they are just sitting around chatting about the old days he will come up in the conversation. We were just talking about him last week. Hubs really loved him. You know how it is when a family member is gone. Some times conversations will trigger memories. Husbands brother was here visiting and they got to talking about the relatives down south. (and some of the fun times they shared) Oh and Bobby was living up here for a short a while before he went back home and died.

[cameron]

Where do I start. I am not sure I should even address this as I am hot as hell quite frankly. First of all your claims that anyone in this family launched a campaign against Cilla is an out right lie. Revelation was not even writtten untill way after Billy was put out of Graceland. Do you know how many people wanted him to write a book prior to that?? No you don't. Several but he wouldn't. And it gets my goat that there is this long standing idea that the Smiths tried to suck the blood out of Elvis financially. Yes, on occasion they asked for help, but once Elvis made it clear that he was not going to help them unless they helped themselves they stopped asking. And like someone said, give some proof. What exactly did they ask for huh. Now be really careful here because I know plenty. Shoot there is so much I can't say and it's frustrating. But the Smith stayed out of the limelight. Got any pictures of them hamming it up? Nope. How many books have they written??? How many have the friends of Pricilla written. Oh and let me tell you there is plenty more they could say. Yep there were some who were not the most responsible while young. But most of them left are decent people. They were poor and they were a regular family with problems. Maybe it's hard to understand because most people probably weren't raised dirt poor and struggling hard and then watch your relative become a millionaire. Billy is a fine human being and anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. Have you met him, have you personally talked to him, do you know him?
If you want to trash my family with the truth, I have no problem with that. It's when people trash them with lies that I find very, very hard to deal with.
I wasn't specifically talking about Billy, much less "trashing " anyone.
I believe Billy was innocently led.
My family was just 'my family, not any better or worse than any others.

[MissyM]

Cameron, I was talking mosto unique dog. That persons posts are what got me all fired up. And if I misunderstood about who you meant as "family" then my post wouldn't apply to you either. Maybe you know about other members or are referring to all of the MM. I am only defending the Smiths.

[ksimms2]

When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.

Priscilla, is this you??? Sure sounds like something Priscilla or Lisa may say....funny to hear this coming from an Elvis fan. I don't get your beef with Billy at all.....all he did was devote the majority of his life to Elvis 24/7 and looked after him and cared for his every need......shame on Billy for doing that! :blink:

[cameron]

Cameron, I was talking mosto unique dog. That persons posts are what got me all fired up. And if I misunderstood about who you meant as "family" then my post wouldn't apply to you either. Maybe you know about other members or are referring to all of the MM. I am only defending the Smiths.
Ok, just wanted to clarify what I said.
I liked the Smiths, actually. ;)IMO, they were good to Elvis.

[ksimms2]

Where do I start. I am not sure I should even address this as I am hot as hell quite frankly. First of all your claims that anyone in this family launched a campaign against Cilla is an out right lie. Revelation was not even writtten untill way after Billy was put out of Graceland. Do you know how many people wanted him to write a book prior to that?? No you don't. Several but he wouldn't. And it gets my goat that there is this long standing idea that the Smiths tried to suck the blood out of Elvis financially. Yes, on occasion they asked for help, but once Elvis made it clear that he was not going to help them unless they helped themselves they stopped asking. And like someone said, give some proof. What exactly did they ask for huh. Now be really careful here because I know plenty. Shoot there is so much I can't say and it's frustrating. But the Smith stayed out of the limelight. Got any pictures of them hamming it up? Nope. How many books have they written??? How many have the friends of Pricilla written. Oh and let me tell you there is plenty more they could say. Yep there were some who were not the most responsible while young. But most of them left are decent people. They were poor and they were a regular family with problems. Maybe it's hard to understand because most people probably weren't raised dirt poor and struggling hard and then watch your relative become a millionaire. Billy is a fine human being and anyone who thinks differently is just plain wrong. Have you met him, have you personally talked to him, do you know him?
If you want to trash my family with the truth, I have no problem with that. It's when people trash them with lies that I find very, very hard to deal with.

You go sister girl!!! HERE - HERE!!! :clap::clap::hug::hug:

[presley31]

Not everyone going to agree on everything on this thread, keep that in mind.

[Getlo]

Maybe one of you two could offer up something to back up those claims?


I don't have to back up anything. It's my opinion.

Forget it Stryx, it ain't gonna happen.

Billy Smith was one of the truest friends/family members Elvis Presley ever had.

(And no, cameron, before you get riled up again, this isn't directed at one of your posts; it's an independent point).

[cameron]

Forget it Stryx, it ain't gonna happen.

Billy Smith was one of the truest friends/family members Elvis Presley ever had.

(And no, cameron, before you get riled up again, this isn't directed at one of your posts; it's an independent point).
Then stop quoting me .
I answered Missy.

"Ok, just wanted to clarify what I said.
I liked the Smiths, actually. IMO, they were good to Elvis."

Please stop taking threads off topic. Thanks.

[presley31]

Shame people can't have a opinion without getting jumped on for it.

[Getlo]

Please stop taking threads off topic. Thanks.

Actually, you went off topic before me, so ...


I agree with all you said.One has to remember the era he lived and what folks did then.
As for the MM and some of "the family". I wouldn't want to keep in touch with them ether.Lisa doesn't really know them and IMO, doesn't want to.
I can't say I blame her. She nor her dad owe them a thing.

[Getlo]

Lisa was considered a trophy to according to the MM.


You mean Priscilla here?

Or are you saying that the MM said that Elvis' daughter - the one, true love of his life - was a trophy to Elvis?

If so, where did they say this?

Presley31, anything else on this?

[presley31]

Presley31, anything else on this?

yep but l'll keep to myself thanks

[Getlo]

yep but l'll keep to myself thanks

Why would you choose to do that?

You said the MM said Elvis thought Lisa was a "trophy", or did I misunderstand you?

Since I don't recall reading/hearing that, I'd be interested to know where you got that from. It's a pretty serious thing to say.

If it's true and there is a source, fair enough. But if it isn't, then it's putting words into their mouths that were never there in the first place, and unfair to them, don't you think?

[presley31]

Why would you choose to do that?

You said the MM said Elvis thought Lisa was a "trophy", or did I misunderstand you?

Since I don't recall reading/hearing that, I'd be interested to know where yo got that from. It's a pretty serious thing to say.

If it's true and there is a source, fair enough. But if it isn't, then it's putting words into their mouths that were never there in the first place, and unfair to them, don't you think?

Getlo l didn't make that up it was noted in the second book of the MM. Go and read it for yourself.

[Getlo]

Getlo l didn't make that up it was noted in the second book of the MM. Go and read it for yourself.

Did I say or even imply that you made it up? No, I didn't.

And by second book, I assume you mean Revelations?

[presley31]

Did I say or even imply that you made it up? No, I didn't.

And by second book, I assume you mean Revelations?


ELVIS AARON PRESLEY: REVELATIONS FROM THE MEMPHIS
If l remember right it was Lamer who said it about lisa

[Stryx]

Shame people can't have a opinion without getting jumped on for it.

Peope can have opinions. But if you come to a message board....an interactive place for fans to discuss things then it is nave to think you won't be questioned about your opinion or why you believe it to be so.

[cameron]

Peope can have opinions. But if you come to a message board....an interactive place for fans to discuss things then it is nave to think you won't be questioned about your opinion or why you believe it to be so.
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That would be silly, IMO. One can have an opinion without having "proof in writing" .Accerpt an opinion and get on with it.

[presley31]

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That would be silly, IMO. One can have an opinion without having "proof in writing" .Accerpt an opinion and get on with it.

yep l agree, l got no souces but books and stuff from other fans

[MissyM]

Easy to get back on topic because I think we answered my question. Maybe while alive Elvis knew that anything said or done would be looked at and not in a very positive light. Perhaps he needed it to all "look so normal" to keep people from speculating and reading more than necessary negativity into things. Well as much as he could. Bell ringing in my head. One word, protection. I think that sums it up.

[Getlo]

One can have an opinion without having "proof in writing".

Of course. But only when it comes to subjective things.

But if someone posts (to use the latest example) that the MM said Elvis said Lisa was a trophy, then the original poster should be prepared to back it up with a reference.

As presley31 has, in this example (after some prodding). And I will check out the book later today.

[cameron]

Easy to get back on topic because I think we answered my question. Maybe while alive Elvis knew that anything said or done would be looked at and not in a very positive light. Perhaps he needed it to all "look so normal" to keep people from speculating and reading more than necessary negativity into things. Well as much as he could. Bell ringing in my head. One word, protection. I think that sums it up.
I think you're right Missy. Most people try to "keep it together" for the public.
Not sure why as things are eventually revealed.
Protection is as good a reason as any in that situation.
Especially if the child/children doesn't know yet.
All in all; I think Cilla and Elvis handled it well for Lisa's sake.

[MissyM]

Well, that is one thing I will agree on. It couldn't have been easy to spare Lisa. For that I give them credit.

[riley]

quote Missy


Ok, here is my take on the premise that Elvis cheated during marriage. I thought that to for a long time. But, I looked at the Elvis diaries and there was little time for him to do so. He stayed pretty close to home while Pricilla was pregnant. (mostly recording) Elvis had no promise to be faithful to her while she lived at Graceland. But Elvis was really big on keeping promises, even the ones that he should have never made. In his marriage vows he did promise to be faithful, so I think he tried to be. Also, I don't think he would risk upsetting Pricilla. Things may not have been great but his mother losing his twin, I'm thinking he would have been protective of Pricilla carrying his child. Also Pricilla (not that I believe all she says) said that they led an active sex life during the pregnancy. Makes sense since he was around alot. So, I feel there is more evidence that he tried to be faithful and she cheated first. I think that is part of why he was so devastated when she did. If he did make a commitment to keep his vows and she did not keep them, that had to be hard. I think once Elvis committed he tried his best. Now you can say that he wasn't faithful to any women after, but mind you, he had no marriage committment to them. And quite possibly why he never married after. He did not want to try and be faithful. Once Pricilla cheated the vows were broken and he prob. thought he was released from his to her.




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[presley31]

Well, that is one thing I will agree on. It couldn't have been easy to spare Lisa. For that I give them credit.

I agree children have a hard time with accepting parents going different ways but its best to try to make it easier.

[Stryx]

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That would be silly, IMO. One can have an opinion without having "proof in writing" .Accerpt an opinion and get on with it.

Maybe that's why your opinions don't make much sense.

Interact and contribute instead of disrupting informed debate, unless of course you have something informed to add.

God forbid some Elvis fans would pick up on your opinions instead of the truth!

[Suzan]

The marriage was seriously on the rocks by the time of the filming of the "'68 Comeback Special"....I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did and that they didn't divorce before 1973.


He wasn't happy mainly because the breakup seriously hurt his ego....

I agree with you on these points....I think it was his ego that took the biggest blow, some of the guys have said had she left for Frank Sinatra or someone equally famous or wealthy would have been one thing but that she left him for a karate instructor, that was the clincher.

Like I've said b4, @ one time they may have been in love but by 1968 the love had died and all that was left was that he cared for her as the mother of his child, something he himself stated.

Pictures are snapshots of a moment...they don't tell the whole story....they smiled when told to say "cheese" so to speak.

[Suzan]

quote Missy


Ok, here is my take on the premise that Elvis cheated during marriage. I thought that to for a long time. But, I looked at the Elvis diaries and there was little time for him to do so. He stayed pretty close to home while Pricilla was pregnant. (mostly recording) Elvis had no promise to be faithful to her while she lived at Graceland. But Elvis was really big on keeping promises, even the ones that he should have never made. In his marriage vows he did promise to be faithful, so I think he tried to be. Also, I don't think he would risk upsetting Pricilla. Things may not have been great but his mother losing his twin, I'm thinking he would have been protective of Pricilla carrying his child. Also Pricilla (not that I believe all she says) said that they led an active sex life during the pregnancy. Makes sense since he was around alot. So, I feel there is more evidence that he tried to be faithful and she cheated first. I think that is part of why he was so devastated when she did. If he did make a commitment to keep his vows and she did not keep them, that had to be hard. I think once Elvis committed he tried his best. Now you can say that he wasn't faithful to any women after, but mind you, he had no marriage committment to them. And quite possibly why he never married after. He did not want to try and be faithful. Once Pricilla cheated the vows were broken and he prob. thought he was released from his to her.




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She's also very recently stated on Australian TV that they had an active sex life AFTER the birth of Lisa, contradicting her own version, going as far as to ask the interviewer's where people got the idea that they didn't have sex after Lisa. I found the Australian interviewer's QUITE NICE had I been them I would have said "from you". LOL

[cameron]

According to Joe E. he was upset because he liked Mike Stone and felt he'd betrayed him.

[utmom2008]

I agree with you on these points....I think it was his ego that took the biggest blow, some of the guys have said had she left for Frank Sinatra or someone equally famous or wealthy would have been one thing but that she left him for a karate instructor, that was the clincher.


I have always thought that it must have been a tremendous blow to his ego. Not just any karate instructor, but IMO, a very ugly karate instructor.
;)As handsome as Elvis was, this guy was..........well, NOT handsome.:)

[Getlo]

Not just any karate instructor, but IMO, a very ugly karate instructor.;)As handsome as Elvis was, this guy was..........well, NOT handsome.:)

Which, as much as I hate to defend Cilla in any way, is to her credit.

If she left Elvis for Stone, then she must have felt there was something between them and had a chance at something better than what she was going through with Elvis. She obviously found Stone attractive.

(I wonder if Lee, Becky and the rest from Topix post here as well? They are completely delusional and biased, and some of their vitriol against Cilla borders on pure hate. They are of the "Elvis was blameless and perfect" mindset. Becky is here, but she won't show herself.)

[utmom2008]

Which, as much as I hate to defend Cilla in any way, is to her credit.

If she left Elvis for Stone, then she must have felt there was something between them and had a chance at something better than what she was going through with Elvis. She obviously found Stone attractive.

(I wonder if Lee, Becky and the rest from Topix post here as well? They are completely delusional and biased, and some of their vitriol against Cilla borders on pure hate. They are of the "Elvis was blameless and perfect" midset. Becky is here, but she won't show herself.)
True. It gives new meaning to the old saying...."beauty is in the eye of the beholder". :lol:

[presley31]

Which, as much as I hate to defend Cilla in any way, is to her credit.

If she left Elvis for Stone, then she must have felt there was something between them and had a chance at something better than what she was going through with Elvis. She obviously found Stone attractive.

(I wonder if Lee, Becky and the rest from Topix post here as well? They are completely delusional and biased, and some of their vitriol against Cilla borders on pure hate. They are of the "Elvis was blameless and perfect" midset. Becky is here, but she won't show herself.)

I agree gelto (y)

[Unique Dog]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.

[cameron]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.

Most of the "so called MM" I do not like or believe. As for Billy; I feel like he was used by some of the rest of them. I honestly believe Billy loved Elvis very much.

[Getlo]

Most of the "so called MM" ...

What do you mean by "so called" ... ?

The Memphis Mafia (ie MM) is what they were actually called.

[Stryx]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.


Are you an Elvis Presley fan or an EPE fan?

Billy was brilliant to Elvis and Elvis loved him very much.

If you don't care for Elvis's cousin who was with him nearly 24/7 at the end, then you really don't understand what Elvis felt for Billy.

Shame.....as Billy probabaly knew Elvis better than anyone at the end.

[MissyM]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.
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Uniquedog, you seem to forget that Graceland was Billy's home too. No he did not own it but it was his home for years. Do you think that you, yourself would have been able to so casually leave it all behind, move on just like that?? And pray tell, what would you have done? He needed to work, needed to feed his family, who better to work on Graceland than him? Gee, I didn't know trying to provide for your family was a crime. He was not asking for a handout for gosh sakes! And your statement that Revelations was written out of anger is so far off. If he was that angry, he could have written something a heck of a lot sooner than he did. He told his story and if you read it, he actually provides counter statements from the others in it often. And if he was so disgruntled by the fact that Elvis's will did not provide for him after Vernon, why not tell all? (do you have a clue about how much he could say?) That is so unrealistic to think IMO. How much bad-mouthing does he do to Cilla or Lisa? Have you read his interview? Now you may not like things/info he gave about Elvis. That is your right and obviously you are one that thinks the truth should have been hidden. But you know what I am hearing, as long as it is all good, then that is what should be told. You simply can not deal with the truths that shed Elvis in even an iota of bad light. But Billy and family have been by far the quietest people about Elvis. Can you honestly say you would have rather Elvis not have Billy and Jo there in the last hours of Elvis's life. Who do you think should have been there? Or do you wish Elvis had no one? That's what I can not grasp for a second. It you love Elvis so much, I'd think you'd have some amount of graditude, and cut Billy some slack.

[presley31]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.
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Uniquedog, you seem to forget that Graceland was Billy's home too. No he did not own it but it was his home for years. Do you think that you, yourself would have been able to so casually leave it all behind, move on just like that?? And pray tell, what would you have done? He needed to work, needed to feed his family, who better to work on Graceland than him? Gee, I didn't know trying to provide for your family was a crime. He was not asking for a handout for gosh sakes! And your statement that Revelations was written out of anger is so far off. If he was that angry, he could have written something a heck of a lot sooner than he did. He told his story and if you read it, he actually provides counter statements from the others in it often. And if he was so disgruntled by the fact that Elvis's will did not provide for him after Vernon, why not tell all? (do you have a clue about how much he could say?) That is so unrealistic to think IMO. How much bad-mouthing does he do to Cilla or Lisa? Have you read his interview? Now you may not like things/info he gave about Elvis. That is your right and obviously you are one that thinks the truth should have been hidden. But you know what I am hearing, as long as it is all good, then that is what should be told. You simply can not deal with the truths that shed Elvis in even an iota of bad light. But Billy and family have been by far the quietest people about Elvis. Can you honestly say you would have rather Elvis not have Billy and Jo there in the last hours of Elvis's life. Who do you think should have been there? Or do you wish Elvis had no one? That's what I can not grasp for a second. It you love Elvis so much, I'd think you'd have some amount of graditude, and cut Billy some slack.

Uniquedog is allowed her own opinions too.

[MissyM]

Sure is, everyone is. And I have to right to state mine. The difference being, mine is based on fact. And yes, people here can believe me or not. If they don't; I won't loose any sleep over it. I just want to ask one question. If it was your family, and you knew things were being written that were not the truth, would you sit back and just read it and say nothing?

[presley31]

Sure is, everyone is. And I have to right to state mine. The difference being, mine is based on fact. And yes, people here can believe me or not. If they don't; I won't loose any sleep over it. I just want to ask one question. If it was your family, and you knew things were being written that were not the truth, would you sit back and just read it and say nothing?

l agree but not everyone has the same feelings you do, just the way it is. I wouldn't come to a forum if my family was talked about, l just leave it cause you can change everyone's mind.

Billy smith is a good person but some don't see it like that.

[Stryx]

l agree but not everyone has the same feelings you do, just the way it is. I wouldn't come to a forum if my family was talked about, l just leave it cause you can change everyone's mind.

Billy smith is a good person but some don't see it like that.


Unique Dog isn't really speaking for the majority of fans and if people want to disagree they can. Plus everyone who has disgareed with that poster seems to know a lot more than Unique Dog.

Anyway it's a forum and people can shre what they want. Even if that means disagreeing.

IMO nothing is more irritating than peoples opinions when they have never been to Graceland and haven't bothered to read into Elvis's life or meet the people he spent it with.

:doh:

[MissyM]

What would you do P-31? Just leave it as is, knowing that peoples "feelings" are based on lies. Really it is only so important to me and I am actually tiring of it now. But at least I try which I think most people would if it was someone they cared about. Isn't that the very thing that people do who stick up for Elvis?

[Stryx]

You are correct MissyM.

Some people on here just dont want to know the truth. They base everything on a hunce or an opinion or a gut feeling.

Reality is much better than fantasy.

Keep posting MissyM - don't let a few ignorant fans put you off and don't let anyone tell you to not post or that opinions shoud not be challenged - they should.

[presley31]

What would you do P-31? Just leave it as is, knowing that peoples "feelings" are based on lies. Really it is only so important to me and I am actually tiring of it now. But at least I try which I think most people would if it was someone they cared about. Isn't that the very thing that people do who stick up for Elvis?

What other choice is there?? you can sit all day telling how it is and at the end of the day some posters will still have the same opinions. I know you want to make peopel see things your way,but some won't change there minds.

[Stryx]

Presley31 if people were to do that then we may all be speaking German. A why bother attitude is a bad one.

Bother, Bother, Bother.

Enough charlatans here - so plenty of room for truth.

[presley31]

Presley31 if people were to do that then we may all be speaking German. A why bother attitude is a bad one.

Bother, Bother, Bother.

Enough charlatans here - so plenty of room for truth.

yes and this will be a empty forum if people can't make up ther own minds about things

[MissyM]

Well, the truth I don't think is something to fear. When you think about the whole thing we are talking about, even the original question presented, does it not show that Elvis was capable of great love for those close to him? So much that he was willing to go to lengths to protect them. Billy and Elvis were special to each other before any fame came into the picture. It was one relationship that stood the test of time and other factors. Some of the family didn't even understand it at times but accepted it as being special. You know, that happens in life, some people just connect. Elvis and Billy shared something that Elvis could not share with anyone else. I don't get why that is so hard to understand. And like all long term relationships, it has it's ups and downs.

[Stryx]

yes and this will be a empty forum if people can't make up ther own minds about things


Were not mods Presley31, so no point in us saying what will or wont happen or trying to discourage people saying what they want.

MissyM and everyone should post to refute the *****ic claims made here by people daily.

[presley31]

Were not mods Presley31, so no point in us saying what will or wont happen or trying to discourage people saying what they want.

MissyM and everyone should post to refute the *****ic claims made here by people daily.

Theres nothing wrong with showing someone your different opinions, but it doesn't mean there going to change there minds about things. I don't think its right Billy get's put down for some people see things different, but again thats there opinion.

[MissyM]

I do get what you are saying P-31. But even husband says that at times I am like a dog with a bone and tend to not want to let go of it. It is especially hard with family. You should see how I am with my kids and grandkids. All 5 ft of me would take on a 200lb lumberjack! I always am thinking that I might get through to one person. That one person will see a side that they didn't before. And I guess the fact that I have pre-conceived ideas that have been changed I'm going along thinking that others might have it happen. But yes, there are those who have made up their minds and will stick with what they think they know, no matter what.

[presley31]

I do get what you are saying P-31. But even husband says that at times I am like a dog with a bone and tend to not want to let go of it. It is especially hard with family. You should see how I am with my kids and grandkids. All 5 ft of me would take on a 200lb lumberjack! I always am thinking that I might get through to one person. That one person will see a side that they didn't before. And I guess the fact that I have pre-conceived ideas that have been changed I'm going along thinking that others might have it happen. But yes, there are those who have made up their minds and will stick with what they think they know, no matter what.

Thank you Missy, Not starting a argument just showing you people will always have different opinions and not look at the turth of sometimes.

[ksimms2]

I do get what you are saying P-31. But even husband says that at times I am like a dog with a bone and tend to not want to let go of it. It is especially hard with family. You should see how I am with my kids and grandkids. All 5 ft of me would take on a 200lb lumberjack! I always am thinking that I might get through to one person. That one person will see a side that they didn't before. And I guess the fact that I have pre-conceived ideas that have been changed I'm going along thinking that others might have it happen. But yes, there are those who have made up their minds and will stick with what they think they know, no matter what.

I'm the same way Missy.....if I feel I'm right....I'll keep at it. Like Jen says, we all have our own opinions and I feel on here we can certainly discuss our opinions. However, when one person starts insulting others or our opinions - that's when the ugliness starts - and that should not happen at all.

[MissyM]

Yeh, I agree K. I am not comfortable with it either so I need to drop the whole thing. I would not like to get so fussy and hurt anyone's feelings either.

[riley]

quote Stryx

Keep posting MissyM - don't let a few ignorant fans put you off and don't let anyone tell you to not post or that opinions shoud not be challenged - they should.



end quote



Please Missy yes keep on posting here

[presley31]

Yeh, I agree K. I am not comfortable with it either so I need to drop the whole thing. I would not like to get so fussy and hurt anyone's feelings either.

Thank you missy for understanding(y)

[MissyM]

No problem! And thank-you very much. In my best Elvis voice! LOL

[presley31]

No problem! And thank-you very much. In my best Elvis voice! LOL

:lol::lol::lol: you would of gave elvis a laugh there

[ksimms2]

Yeh, I agree K. I am not comfortable with it either so I need to drop the whole thing. I would not like to get so fussy and hurt anyone's feelings either.

which is big of you - but what bugs me is - those others that don't care if they hurt your feelings....see what I mean? That's not fair. Don't quit posting by any means....if someone just keeps harping on a certain subject and won't let it drop - just step back - because we will see it happening and we won't encourage them either.....if we ignore the trouble makers - maybe they'll get the hint.

[presley31]

which is big of you - but what bugs me is - those others that don't care if they hurt your feelings....see what I mean? That's not fair. Don't quit posting by any means....if someone just keeps harping on a certain subject and won't let it drop - just step back - because we will see it happening and we won't encourage them either.....if we ignore the trouble makers - maybe they'll get the hint.

l agree kelly 100% trouble makers always go away sometime.

[SleepyJack]

Keep the posts coming MissyM....We all should be able to say what we want.....Isn`t that the whole point of all this anyway? If things do get too much,or too nasty or insulting then ignore them...or post Knock Knock jokes for a week!

[cameron]

Sure is, everyone is. And I have to right to state mine. The difference being, mine is based on fact. And yes, people here can believe me or not. If they don't; I won't loose any sleep over it. I just want to ask one question. If it was your family, and you knew things were being written that were not the truth, would you sit back and just read it and say nothing?
This will probably be misunderstood by some. Hopefully, not you, Missy.
IF I saw someone talking about my family and knew it to be false; I'd throw a fit and probably be kicked off any site talking about them ; if I didn't choose to leave first. Any subject about Elvis and/or his family is always controversial. There will always be some that love them all or blame them all.

IMO, Billy was a relative, but also Elvis' best friend. He stood by him and protected him in many ways most all his life.
Vernon was well known to disappove of of all the MM.As quickly as he could, he got rid of them all..
It was Billy that kept talking about "another will". Even today.
Maybe it was true, maybe not. There's been lots of discussions over that .
According to Billy's story, it was Vernon that got rid of that will. I'd say that might be one reason Vernon wasn't exactly pleased to have Billy around.
Thinking about that; neither would Priscilla.

IMO, Billy was a good guy and "some of the MM' took him along for a ride by agreeing with him.

[Diane]

I agree with the rest Missy, I always enjoy your posts and the information you give us very much. Try not to answer those who post just to put you down or cause problems, I know it can be hard, I'm a mother tiger too :D, but they are not worth your time.:hug:

Diane

[presley31]

I agree with the rest Missy, I always enjoy your posts and the information you give us very much. Try not to answer those who post just to put you down or cause problems, I know it can be hard, I'm a mother tiger too :D, but they are not worth your time.:hug:

Diane

I agree diane, your a blessing here with all your posts Missy.

[Stryx]

[/B]

IMO, Billy was a relative, but also Elvis' best friend. He stood by him and protected him in many ways most all his life.


IMO, Billy was a good guy and "some of the MM' took him along for a ride by agreeing with him.


Okay, so now Billy's ok....

But previously in response to this post:


When you truly love someone, you try VERY hard to make things work and you bend over backwards to make it work. They loved each other but Priscilla grew tired and moved on. Can`t blame her for that. Elvis never imagined in his wildest dreams that she would ever leave him. His ego is what was bruised and hurt when she left.

Lisa Marie is very much her father`s daughter. Not only does she look like him but she has mannerisms like him as well. She does keep in touch with a few members of the Presley family....but I can`t blame her for not keeping in touch with the vast majority of them ESPECAILLY Billy Smith. He disgusts me. Nor do I fault her for not keeping in touch with alot of the MM members; I wouldn`t either!! Would YOU want to stay in touch with a bunch of gold diggers who only had one agenda in life and that was to get as much of her father`s time, money and assests as possible and to h*ll with his life? I certainly would not.

As for Elvis being attracted to 14 year-old Priscilla....let`s take a step back and examine the whole picture, shall we? Here is a true southern man who was in his early twenties in the late 1950s. It was not uncommon for a man to MARRY a teenager let alone date one! I don`t think his attraction to her was sickening in any way.


You said....


[/B]

I agree with all you said.One has to remember the era he lived and what folks did then.
As for the MM and some of "the family". I wouldn't want to keep in touch with them ether.Lisa doesn't really know them and IMO, doesn't want to.
I can't say I blame her. She nor her dad owe them a thing.



You agreed with all that poster said...including the fact that Billy Smith disgusts them.

But now you don't agree Billy is someone who should be held in such disdain.:doh:


I sometimes wonder if this stuff is made up as people go along.

[Stryx]

Keep the posts coming MissyM....We all should be able to say what we want.....Isn`t that the whole point of all this anyway? If things do get too much,or too nasty or insulting then ignore them...or post Knock Knock jokes for a week!


Yeah agree 100%

People should keep posting.

Some who are not moderators here think it is there place to interupt threads when people are disagreeing.

Often it is those that are interupting that offer the least insights, justifications or reasons for why they believe something.

The whole....its my opinion thing is quite boring!

Did these people never go to college or uni and have to actually display reasoning behind what they believe.

:cursing:

Keep posting Missy and everyone! Some good threads here now!

[cameron]

Grow up, Stryx . I've already corrected that with Missy.
I like Billy and have always felt like he got a bad deal from many.

[Stryx]

Just keeping the Elvis fans informed.

Hate them to pick up on opinions rather than facts.

Steadfast, loyal and true.

[Getlo]

Vernon was well known to disappove of of all the MM.As quickly as he could, he got rid of them all...

Yeah? So Vernon didn't like Joe Esposito?

As for Vernon getting rid of them all ....

Nope.

[utmom2008]

Sure is, everyone is. And I have to right to state mine. The difference being, mine is based on fact. And yes, people here can believe me or not. If they don't; I won't loose any sleep over it. I just want to ask one question. If it was your family, and you knew things were being written that were not the truth, would you sit back and just read it and say nothing?
(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)

[utmom2008]

IMO nothing is more irritating than peoples opinions when they have never been to Graceland and haven't bothered to read into Elvis's life or meet the people he spent it with.

Unfortunately, the world is full of these people you just described. They are the ones who seem to know more than everybody else put together.:blush::blink:

[Getlo]

Just keeping the Elvis fans informed.

Hate them to pick up on opinions rather than facts.

Steadfast, loyal and true.

What a guy! (y):lol:

[utmom2008]

You are correct MissyM.

Some people on here just dont want to know the truth. They base everything on a hunce or an opinion or a gut feeling.

Reality is much better than fantasy.

Keep posting MissyM - don't let a few ignorant fans put you off and don't let anyone tell you to not post or that opinions shoud not be challenged - they should.
Stryx is correct MissyM. Most of us realize that you have some real insight to the situation, and we are always eager to hear your side. (y)(y)(y)

[MissyM]

Oh you guys! You warm my heart! I'm glad for the peaceful end. I may go off but let it be know, I don't hold any bad feeling for what people post. I just want people to know, Elvis was loved dearly. I don't know a thing about the wills. All I remember is all of us being in the state of shock. But really, it's something I think won't ever be understood.

[riley]

did the family saw his death coming Missy....

[MissyM]

Riley, not that they ever made known to us. Remember we lived in the Chicago area by then. Last time we were down south was Christmas/Newyears of 1976 and nothing was said what-so-ever. So we were pretty surprised too. If they were worried, no one let on.

[franny]

MissyM, when did the family start to get really worried about Elvis' health?

Sorry, it's off-topic, forgive me...:blush:

franny

[MissyM]

They never expressed it to us. Certain things about Elvis's life were off limits. Remember that a pattern of privacy was in place for a long time. Like I said, when I asked what one thought of Cilla. I was told, (and this is the best I can remember the response, "Oh well, you know, Pricilla is just Pricilla, and Elvis don't like no one talking bad about Pricilla." Of course, I can't convey the tone of voice and look on the person's face when they said that. But I strongly think I read correctly when I read disapproval in the statement. Also remember as I have said, Elvis and his life was not a huge topic anyway. (I know to others that may seem odd but it's true) He was around and he was talked about no more than another family member. Like oh, hows so and so doing, what are they up to know. Also there were family members who did not like him at all so when they were around, it was best not to discuss him. I know I didn't like hearing it. Now weather there was some jealousy in that, I'd say yes, partly. But also there were other dealings with him that set some off. And these were things from childhood on. My FIL really liked Elvis. My MIL couldn't stand him.

[Stryx]

They never expressed it to us. Certain things about Elvis's life were off limits. Remember that a pattern of privacy was in place for a long time. Like I said, when I asked what one thought of Cilla. I was told, (and this is the best I can remember the response, "Oh well, you know, Pricilla is just Pricilla, and Elvis don't like no one talking bad about Pricilla." Of course, I can't convey the tone of voice and look on the person's face when they said that. But I strongly think I read correctly when I read disapproval in the statement. Also remember as I have said, Elvis and his life was not a huge topic anyway. (I know to others that may seem odd but it's true) He was around and he was talked about no more than another family member. Like oh, hows so and so doing, what are they up to know. Also there were family members who did not like him at all so when they were around, it was best not to discuss him. I know I didn't like hearing it. Now weather there was some jealousy in that, I'd say yes, partly. But also there were other dealings with him that set some off. And these were things from childhood on. My FIL really liked Elvis. My MIL couldn't stand him.



Elvis angered some of the Smiths when he started to avoid them.

So I am not suprised some Smiths were annoyed with E.

[May]

MissyM - how are you related to Elvis? :D

[utmom2008]

They never expressed it to us. Certain things about Elvis's life were off limits. Remember that a pattern of privacy was in place for a long time. Like I said, when I asked what one thought of Cilla. I was told, (and this is the best I can remember the response, "Oh well, you know, Pricilla is just Pricilla, and Elvis don't like no one talking bad about Pricilla." Of course, I can't convey the tone of voice and look on the person's face when they said that. But I strongly think I read correctly when I read disapproval in the statement. Also remember as I have said, Elvis and his life was not a huge topic anyway. (I know to others that may seem odd but it's true) He was around and he was talked about no more than another family member. Like oh, hows so and so doing, what are they up to know. Also there were family members who did not like him at all so when they were around, it was best not to discuss him. I know I didn't like hearing it. Now weather there was some jealousy in that, I'd say yes, partly. But also there were other dealings with him that set some off. And these were things from childhood on. My FIL really liked Elvis. My MIL couldn't stand him.
MissyM...you can't imagine how strange it seems on this side of the fence to hear you say that your MIL couldn't stand him.;) What was it that she disliked, and what was it that your FIL did like about him??

[riley]

quote Missy

But also there were other dealings with him that set some off. And these were things from childhood on. My FIL really liked Elvis. My MIL couldn't stand him.


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Please Missy can you enlighten that a bit

[MissyM]

You know Styks, I don't think the Smiths were that angered, bugged, but not that angered. Hurt maybe too, as they didn't understand some things as the time. But I was talking in my direct family. Like my SIL very much disliked him. By the way she was the one who asked for his autograph at the fair grounds. It is in the movie. And also he picked on her sometimes when they were kids. As far as my MIL, I think she resented his money, she always wanted to be rich. God rest her soul. But she also thought he could have helped some of the family out more. (not all but some) She also had the attitude, who do you think you are cause she knew him as a kid. You see, it is a typical family in many ways.
Let me do this again for those who don't know: My mother-in-laws two sisters Lois and Lorraine Ivy married Gladys's two brothers, Travis and Johnny Smith. So all my husbands Smith cousin's are Elvis's. It is doubled because of two sisters marrying two brothers. MIL was born and raised in Tupelo. Then moved to Memphis. Then Chicago.
My FIL, gees, he loved Elvis cause my FIL was a wonderful man. So easy going. And Elvis loved my FIL and respected him. They had a bond. (the music) My FIL is the one who taught Elvis to play guitar.

[cameron]

You know Styks, I don't think the Smiths were that angered, bugged, but not that angered. Hurt maybe too, as they didn't understand some things as the time. But I was talking in my direct family. Like my SIL very much disliked him. By the way she was the one who asked for his autograph at the fair grounds. It is in the movie. And also he picked on her sometimes when they were kids. As far as my MIL, I think she resented his money, she always wanted to be rich. God rest her soul. But she also thought he could have helped some of the family out more. (not all but some) She also had the attitude, who do you think you are cause she knew him as a kid. You see, it is a typical family in many ways.
Let me do this again for those who don't know: My mother-in-laws two sisters Lois and Lorraine Ivy married Gladys's two brothers, Travis and Johnny Smith. So all my husbands Smith cousin's are Elvis's. It is doubled because of two sisters marrying two brothers. MIL was born and raised in Tupelo. Then moved to Memphis. Then Chicago.
My FIL, gees, he loved Elvis cause my FIL was a wonderful man. So easy going. And Elvis loved my FIL and respected him. They had a bond. (the music) My FIL is the one who taught Elvis to play guitar.

Interesting. I know Lois ; or maybe I should say I know of her.
I let a friend of mine and hers know of some problems she was having .
He went to Memphis and assisted her in some things. She seems like a very nice lady, but has had a rough life.

[Getlo]

I let a friend of mine and hers know of some problems she was having.

A preacher, wasn't it ?

[MissyM]

She has had a rough time of it. Starting with when she was married to Johnny. Out of the Ivy's, she is the only one left. Sad.

[Stryx]

Lois has a book out;

"The Forgotten Family of Elvis Presley: Elvis' Aunt Lois Smith Speaks Out."

According to those who knew Elvis best, Lois didn't see too much of Elvis.

[MissyM]

In the later years, that is correct. Elvis didn't have much use for Johnny and then she divorced him.

[Getlo]

I let a friend of mine and hers know of some problems she was having.

So who was your friend, cameron?

[Stryx]

Johnny pulled a knife on a member of the Memphis Mafia - after which Elvis didn't really want to have much to do with him.

Johnny was drunk when the incident happened, he thought Marty had stabbed him at a bar that same night and went for Marty when he got to Graceland.

Johnny used work security at Graceland until he got sick.

He died in 68' from Brights disease which is a kidney ailment, he was 46.

[Stryx]

Interesting. I know Lois ; or maybe I should say I know of her.
I let a friend of mine and hers know of some problems she was having .
He went to Memphis and assisted her in some things. She seems like a very nice lady, but has had a rough life.


A religious friend?

[cameron]

She has had a rough time of it. Starting with when she was married to Johnny. Out of the Ivy's, she is the only one left. Sad.
From what she's said; yes, she had a rough time with Johnny .
It appeared best that she finally got away from him.
According to her ,she was friends with Gladys more than the Presleys.
As far as I know, she'd doing better .But, we all grow older and need a little help now and then.
My friend was glad to help and lived much closer than I do .

[Suzan]

I can't say how much I agree w/Getlo, Stryx and Missy M along w/a few others.
Some also seem to change their opinion as the wind blows, one minute admonishing a poster the next agreeing with them, jeez it gets confusing. LOL

Billy was definately used...I've stated my feelings b4 so majority of you know what they are.
Some just like to say negative things about him w/o really taking the time to stand in that person's shoes, even though they claim that that should be done w/Elvis but don't apply it to all, shame really.

[presley31]

Thank you missy, l have leaned alot from your stories.

[utmom2008]

Thank you missy, l have leaned alot from your stories.

I second that! I always enjoy your stories..:D

[cameron]

I have enjoyed reading Missy's take on the family as well..
Though it must be hard at times to see some of the negatives posted.
Just remember; no one knows any of them except from books.
You have a distinct advantage over us all. (y)

[Suzan]

Some of us do.:)

[Stryx]

Some of us do.:)


Well said Suzan.

I think some posters here suffer from jealousy or maybe that they can't find the information in books.

Missy keep posting you are offering some great insights.

[MissyM]

I'm glad you enjoy my posts and insight. I have learned a lot from you all as well. A totally different side of things. And information I never knew too. And I have sure enjoyed Suzans posts a lot. I used to be a lot harder on Lisa. I see things very differently now. And I'm glad I do.

[Suzan]

Well said Suzan.

I think some posters here suffer from jealousy or maybe that they can't find the information in books.

Missy keep posting you are offering some great insights.

Thank you Stryx! :D I thoroughly enjoy your posts as well!

I think your so correct, they sure seem like they do huh?

Missy def keep posting!

:hug:

[Suzan]

I'm glad you enjoy my posts and insight. I have learned a lot from you all as well. A totally different side of things. And information I never knew too. And I have sure enjoyed Suzans posts a lot. I used to be a lot harder on Lisa. I see things very differently now. And I'm glad I do.

Thank you so much!
I very much enjoy reading your posts and also hearing and seeing a side that perhaps I would otherwise never know, so you keep right on posting! :D Don't let some green eyed stuff get to you! :) :hug:

I'm so glad to hear that, cause she really is a sweetheart.:)

[Suzan]

One more thing, if Billy (God forbid) sees that post by someone, tell him that is NOT most fans thoughts...:)

[Suzan]

Interesting. I know Lois ; or maybe I should say I know of her.
I let a friend of mine and hers know of some problems she was having .
He went to Memphis and assisted her in some things. She seems like a very nice lady, but has had a rough life.

Hey Cameron, who's your friend as I've seen this mentioned b4.

[Getlo]

Hey Cameron, who's your friend as I've seen this mentioned b4.

Yeah, it rings a bell.

Or maybe I read it on another forum. Someone said they got a reverend I think - or a religous guy anyway - to help out Lois.

I thought it was cameron ...

[Stryx]

Yeah I think I remember hearing about that somewhere.....can't remember where I heard it at the moment though....

[Suzan]

K so it's not just me then, lol....

Cameron can you help w/this please? :D

[cameron]

Rob HInes-who wrote The Forgotten Family of Elvis Presley
came to our site one day or I probably would never have known about her.

Rob and I talked .He said the book wasn't doing too well.
It was a minister that I knew and Lois knew who I contacted.
He went to Memphis to see about her .

[Getlo]

It was a minister that I knew and Lois knew who I contacted. He went to Memphis to see about her .

Interesting indeed ...

I thought I'd heard that somewhere before as well ... but from someone else.

Dang, now it's bugging me. I've no doubt what cameron's saying is true, but where else did I hear a similar tale? Was it Lois or another Aunt or something?

This will drive me nuts; Stryx, Suzan? You said it rings a bell with you guys also?

[Unique Dog]

I`m not fond of the majority of the MM. Billy, IMO would have been better off had he moved on after Elvis died instead of hanging around and asking for a job working at Graceland. And when that didn`t work out, he decided to write a book with a couple of flakes. His contempt and anger over the whole ordeal at Graceland was evident. When there`s so much hate and anger, you can not take the statements as solid truth.

I don`t care for Billy nor do I care for most of the MM members.
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Uniquedog, you seem to forget that Graceland was Billy's home too. No he did not own it but it was his home for years. Do you think that you, yourself would have been able to so casually leave it all behind, move on just like that?? And pray tell, what would you have done? He needed to work, needed to feed his family, who better to work on Graceland than him? Gee, I didn't know trying to provide for your family was a crime. He was not asking for a handout for gosh sakes! And your statement that Revelations was written out of anger is so far off. If he was that angry, he could have written something a heck of a lot sooner than he did. He told his story and if you read it, he actually provides counter statements from the others in it often. And if he was so disgruntled by the fact that Elvis's will did not provide for him after Vernon, why not tell all? (do you have a clue about how much he could say?) That is so unrealistic to think IMO. How much bad-mouthing does he do to Cilla or Lisa? Have you read his interview? Now you may not like things/info he gave about Elvis. That is your right and obviously you are one that thinks the truth should have been hidden. But you know what I am hearing, as long as it is all good, then that is what should be told. You simply can not deal with the truths that shed Elvis in even an iota of bad light. But Billy and family have been by far the quietest people about Elvis. Can you honestly say you would have rather Elvis not have Billy and Jo there in the last hours of Elvis's life. Who do you think should have been there? Or do you wish Elvis had no one? That's what I can not grasp for a second. It you love Elvis so much, I'd think you'd have some amount of graditude, and cut Billy some slack.



you seem to forget that Graceland was Billy's home too....

It seems that Graceland was home to everybody back then. Must of been nice...come and go as you please. I`m not saying that Billy didn`t care for Elvis. I`m sure he did and I`m sure he loved him.

I am an Elvis fan. My loyalty lies with Elvis. I have NEVER understood why no one around him---no one who claims to have "loved" Elvis didn`t stand up to him and demand that he get help. They kept quiet out of fear. So, most of them choose to look the other way and continued living their lives with blinders on. In the end they had to ask themselves, "was it worth it?" Was their fear of making him angry and being erased from his life worth it?

[utmom2008]

I am an Elvis fan. My loyalty lies with Elvis. I have NEVER understood why no one around him---no one who claims to have "loved" Elvis didn`t stand up to him and demand that he get help.

Uniquedog.....I am assuming from your post that you have never had to deal with an addict. If you had you would know that demanding that an addict get help when they refuse to even see that they have a problem is useless. I learned this from dealing with an in-law, someone that certainly was not used to people never crossing them. Elvis had never been crossed, therefore I would bet their road was twice as hard to travel. It's not wise to make a judgement call on a situation that you were not involved in.:blink:

[Getlo]

I have NEVER understood why no one around him---no one who claims to have "loved" Elvis didn`t stand up to him and demand that he get help. They kept quiet out of fear.

Red did.

Sonny did.

Joe did.

And more.

Plenty of people stood up to him, Lee.

Elvis was ultimately responsible for his own destiny and choices.

No one else.

[MissyM]

Billy did try to help and Elvis did not want it. Billy had a choice, risk getting Elvis mad and firing him or just be there for him, loving him, being his friend and not abandoning him. We can all say what we would have or should have done but I think Billy made the right choice. At a point he knew Elvis had to want to change bad enough to have the strength to do it. It is called unconditional love, what Billy had for Elvis. He let go and prayed that Elvis would get help. In the mean time, he would be there for him to the end, Think of how hard that must have been, think of the feeling of helplessness it would cause, think of if you could have done it. It takes a strong person. It takes strong love. I thank God Billy and Jo had that for Elvis.

Oh and one more thing, let's say Billy pushed it and Elvis made him leave like others. Then what? It would have caused Elvis pain not having him there. No one knows if that would have made him get help. And then he (Elvis) died alone and broken hearted a bit more. If you were Billy, could you have lived with yourself?

[Unique Dog]

Red did.

Sonny did.

Joe did.

And more.

Plenty of people stood up to him, Lee.

Elvis was ultimately responsible for his own destiny and choices.

No one else.

I agree that Red and Sonny did. They tried and look what happened to them. They were banned, as expected, and the majority of fans hate them.
Intervention can be a painful process for all involved.

[Getlo]

I agree that Red and Sonny did ...as expected, and the majority of fans hate them.

The majority of rational, thinking fans do not hate Red and Sonny, Lee.

[Burning_Love]

The majority of rational, thinking fans do not hate Red and Sonny, Lee.

Might have to agree, i quite like them, just my own opinion.

[Unique Dog]

Whose Lee?

[Getlo]

I thought I'd heard that somewhere before as well ... but from someone else.

Got it! Whew ...

This was driving me nuts, as I hate not being able to remember things like this.

I searched the old threads, and sure enough, another poster - since banned, unfortunately - also said she had asked this preacher to make inquiries into Lois' health.

Good to know Lois had at least two people looking out for her.

[jak]

Got it! Whew ...

This was driving me nuts, as I hate not being able to remember things like this.

I searched the old threads, and sure enough, another poster - since banned, unfortunately - also said she had asked this preacher to make inquiries into Lois' health.

Good to know Lois had at least two people looking out for her.

I too remember that being discussed here some time ago.It's almost uncanny about the preacher comments.The same scenario word for word almost.Like you said at least some wanted to help her.A word of caution though.Try and refrain from mentioning that banned poster.You might jinx us and she will return to the board somehow.That would be like a lump of coal in my stocking;)

[MissyM]

I am not aware of any of this. (not saying it didn't happen) And any furthur comments from me would be crossing a privacy line. I talked to her a couple of weeks ago, the book was mentioned and she indeed stated that is wasn't doing very well. I have it on my list to buy.

[Getlo]

. I talked to her a couple of weeks ago, the book was mentioned and she indeed stated that is wasn't doing very well. I have it on my list to buy.

I've forgotten ... who is Lois Smith again? Vernon's brother's wife?

[MissyM]

No Get- she is Glady's sister-in-law, as was Lorraine (married Travis) The women married Gladys's brothers. But Lois divorced Johnny and therefore no longer carries the Smith Name.
Oh and yes, there was a time that I think the women were pretty close. Husbands gone to war, financial struggles, they lived close to one another, husbands sometimes in trouble. So they were very helpful and supportive of each other.

[Getlo]

No Get- she is Glady's sister-in-law, as was Lorraine (married Travis) The women married Gladys's brothers. But Lois divorced Johnny and therefore no longer carries the Smith Name.

I meant to say Gladys' brother's wife, not Vernon's ! :doh:

Otherwise, she'd have been a Presley.

:doh:

Thanks.

:doh:

[MissyM]

No problem, I kind of thought it was a mistake but wanted to clarify anyway. When I first married into this family it was confusing to me too! LOL And frankly, when I first dated my husband I didn't even believe him. LOL

[Unique Dog]

Billy did try to help and Elvis did not want it. Billy had a choice, risk getting Elvis mad and firing him or just be there for him, loving him, being his friend and not abandoning him. We can all say what we would have or should have done but I think Billy made the right choice. At a point he knew Elvis had to want to change bad enough to have the strength to do it. It is called unconditional love, what Billy had for Elvis. He let go and prayed that Elvis would get help. In the mean time, he would be there for him to the end, Think of how hard that must have been, think of the feeling of helplessness it would cause, think of if you could have done it. It takes a strong person. It takes strong love. I thank God Billy and Jo had that for Elvis.

Oh and one more thing, let's say Billy pushed it and Elvis made him leave like others. Then what? It would have caused Elvis pain not having him there. No one knows if that would have made him get help. And then he (Elvis) died alone and broken hearted a bit more. If you were Billy, could you have lived with yourself?


Yes, and even after Elvis died Billy--and many others---chose to milk their association with him anyway they could. I understand what you`re saying however, there are far too many incidences that I just have to sit back and shake my head at.

[May]

I agree that Red and Sonny did. They tried and look what happened to them. They were banned, as expected, and the majority of fans hate them.
Intervention can be a painful process for all involved.


"They tried and look what happened?"

No they didnt! Wrong way round! They were fired and THEN they wrote the book supposedly "trying to help him".:mad: THATS the reason the fans dont like them.

[Getlo]

"They tried and look what happened?" No they didnt! Wrong way round! They were fired and THEN they wrote the book supposedly "trying to help him".:mad: THATS the reason the fans dont like them.

WRONG!

Both Red and Sonny tried to help Elvis before they were fired and before his death. They tried to stop the suppliers. But Elvis became angry at their efforts, and refused help. I fail to see why some fans don't acknowledge that ... You have jumped to the wrong conclusion; the book was not the only way they tried to help (putting aside the motivations for the book for a second here). There is certainly an argument to be made that they didn't do enough, but to say that they did nothing is wildly inaccurate.

Have you actually read EWH at all?

And as for "fans" not liking Red and Sonny ... speak for yourself.

[Getlo]

Yes, and even after Elvis died Billy--and many others---chose to milk their association with him anyway they could. I understand what you`re saying however, there are far too many incidences that I just have to sit back and shake my head at.

And how did Billy milk his association with Elvis?

What are these "incidences" to which you refer?

Billy Smith was one of the best and most loyal friends/associates/family members Elvis ever had.

[cameron]

"They tried and look what happened?"

No they didnt! Wrong way round! They were fired and THEN they wrote the book supposedly "trying to help him".:mad: THATS the reason the fans dont like them.

For what's it worth, I agree with you . (y)
You will find some "MM lovers" defending them no matter what.
It's too bad they can't or won't do the same with Elvis.
Take care . ;)

[Getlo]

You will find some "MM lovers" defending them no matter what.It's too bad they can't or won't do the same with Elvis.


And she will find MM haters such as you bashing them no matter what.

Your passive-aggressive condescension is most tiring.

By the way, were you aware of that other poster who also helped out Aunt Lois? Perhaps she and you crossed paths since you both contacted that preacher guy ...

[cameron]

And she will find MM haters such as you bashing them no matter what.

Your passive-aggressive condescension is most tiring.

By the way, were you aware of that other poster who also helped out Aunt Lois? Perhaps she and you crossed paths since you both contacted that preacher guy ...
I don't hate any of the MM ...well ,maybe one or two. ;)
Hate is a very strong word since I can't say I know many personally.
I just go by their actions and their words.

I don't know anyone personally, that contacted anyone about Elvis' aunt.
That was posted to a site I frequent. All were asked to help.
I also talked with the man that wrote her book.
I contacted a minister that the aunt and I both know .
He was closer or I would have gone myself.

[Getlo]

I don't hate any of the MM ...well ,maybe one or two. ;)

I'll give you credit for at least admitting that.

But I fail so see how anyone can hate anyone else they've never met nor had anything to do with.

As I said, there is certainly an argument to be made that the MM didn't do enough to help Elvis, but to say they did nothing is simply untrue.

[cameron]

I'll give you credit for at least admitting that.

But I fail so see how anyone can hate anyone else they've never met nor had anything to do with.

As I said, there is certainly an argument to be made that the MM didn't do enough to help Elvis, but to say they did nothing is simply untrue.

My "thing" with the MM isn't that they didn't try to help Elvis.
I believe most did what they thought would help.
It just shows, to me, they didn't know Elvis as well as they thought they did.

It's their actions and words since 1977 I have a problem with.

[MissyM]

Get, I think many people have the idea that Billy made lots of money off of Revelations. Trust me, he didn't. But you see that is the disadvantage I have. I can not, will not reveal certain details of what I know to back up what I say. Therefore I have to leave it as a judge for yourself situation. But I am going to ring up Lois tomorrow, (have to work long hours today) and get the scoop on the incident talked about. Sometimes her mind wanders as she is getting up there, but if not I can talk to her sons. I'll ask for permission to repeat what they say on this board.

[cameron]

Get, I think many people have the idea that Billy made lots of money off of Revelations. Trust me, he didn't. But you see that is the disadvantage I have. I can not, will not reveal certain details of what I know to back up what I say. Therefore I have to leave it as a judge for yourself situation. But I am going to ring up Lois tomorrow, (have to work long hours today) and get the scoop on the incident talked about. Sometimes her mind wanders as she is getting up there, but if not I can talk to her sons. I'll ask for permission to repeat what they say on this board.
As I have said before; I just don't include Billy with the MM .
I've always seen Billy as not only a relative; but one of the few friends that really loved and tried to help Elvis.

I haven't talked to the minister lately that went to help Lois.
Though I did talk to his wife yesterday on another matter.
Please .let us know how she's doing.
I bought her book and sent the minister some money to help .
Not much else most could do, but I hope it helped her in some way.

[MissyM]

Thank you for clearing that up. And thank you for helping a family member out. It means alot.

[Suzan]

I've always said that Billy is seperate from the MM, always was, IMO. :)

Some people are just mean and think they know everything and when asked to clarify they won't or can't, I wouldn't let it upset you Missy, nor should Billy pay attention to it.
And you shouldn't have to clarify or anything like that, it's obvious Billy didn't make any money off of Elvis, but look @ Pris (someone this fan defends) is still making money off him as his EX-WIFE...amazes me how it's justified for her but Billy is torn down for it and he, again, didn't make money off Elvis. Simply amazing.

[Suzan]

And how did Billy milk his association with Elvis?

What are these "incidences" to which you refer?

Billy Smith was one of the best and most loyal friends/associates/family members Elvis ever had.

Amen! Say it like it is Getlo.:D(y)

[utmom2008]

I've always said that Billy is seperate from the MM, always was, IMO. :)
Great comment Suzan!!(y)(y) That one sentence speaks volumes in my way of thinking. I always considered Billy family and NOT MM.(y):notworthy:king:

[Unique Dog]

I've always said that Billy is seperate from the MM, always was, IMO. :)

Some people are just mean and think they know everything and when asked to clarify they won't or can't, I wouldn't let it upset you Missy, nor should Billy pay attention to it.
And you shouldn't have to clarify or anything like that, it's obvious Billy didn't make any money off of Elvis, but look @ Pris (someone this fan defends) is still making money off him as his EX-WIFE...amazes me how it's justified for her but Billy is torn down for it and he, again, didn't make money off Elvis. Simply amazing.

If you`re referring to me, please come out and say it. ;)

[Unique Dog]

And how did Billy milk his association with Elvis?

What are these "incidences" to which you refer?

Billy Smith was one of the best and most loyal friends/associates/family members Elvis ever had.

To make a long explaination short, I have little--or no--tolerance for the people who were close to him and chose to do nothing while he was alive. That includes everyone from Joe to Priscilla. No serious intervention was tried, if so they would have ALL gotten together and made a plan. Instead they let this man continue down the path of destruction and after everything was said and done they couldn`t wait to tell their story. I`m sure writing their books was their way of cleansing themselves of any guilt. Read my story, I did everything I possibly could for him.....

I`m sure that Billy loved him. I`m not saying he didn`t. They were family and I`m sure the love they had for each other was unconditional. I`m sure that Billy did what he could for him without expecting anything return. The same cannot be said for others.

[utmom2008]

I`m sure that Billy loved him. I`m not saying he didn`t. They were family and I`m sure the love they had for each other was unconditional. I`m sure that Billy did what he could for him without expecting anything return. The same cannot be said for others.

I assume from reading this that you are now saying that you did not mean what you stated in post #183?? You came right out and said Billy milked his association with Elvis for all that he could...just like the others.(n) Which is it...did he milk him? Or..did he try to do everything he could expecting nothing in return?? These 2 posts totally contradict one another.....:blush::supriced::hmm::doh:

[Unique Dog]

I assume from reading this that you are now saying that you did not mean what you stated in post #183?? You came right out and said Billy milked his association with Elvis for all that he could...just like the others.(n) Which is it...did he milk him? Or..did he try to do everything he could expecting nothing in return?? These 2 posts totally contradict one another.....:blush::supriced::hmm::doh:


He wrote a book along with a few flakes. He did a video with a few other members of the MM. So yes, he milked his association with Elvis...as did the majority. I believe his love for Elvis was geniune.

[Suzan]

As did Pris, as did Linda, as did everyone around Elvis, and continue to do so to this day...so to signal Billy out is not a good route or argument in my opinion.

[Suzan]

Great comment Suzan!!(y)(y) That one sentence speaks volumes in my way of thinking. I always considered Billy family and NOT MM.(y):notworthy:king:


Thank you. :D I agree.:)

[Suzan]

If you`re referring to me, please come out and say it. ;)

You know I would. ROF

[MissyM]

Suzan some times you just crack me up! (even when you say little( You have a dry sense of humor. I like it.

[Getlo]

No serious intervention was tried, if so they would have ALL gotten together and made a plan. Instead they let this man continue down the path of destruction and after everything was said and done they couldn`t wait to tell their story. I`m sure writing their books was their way of cleansing themselves of any guilt. Read my story, I did everything I possibly could for him.....
.

And I'm sure that with the benefit of hindsight, and 30 years of observations, you would have been better for Elvis to have had around?

There were interventions - perhaps not enough, nor on a big enough scale. But Elvis had his chances. His own overdoses should've shocked him into stopping.

Had everyone interfered more, they would've been fired and replaced with yet another group who would have bent to Elvis' will.

[Unique Dog]

As did Pris, as did Linda, as did everyone around Elvis, and continue to do so to this day...so to signal Billy out is not a good route or argument in my opinion.

I did not single him out if you go back and read my previous posts.

[franny]

But I fail so see how anyone can hate anyone else they've never met nor had anything to do with.

As I said, there is certainly an argument to be made that the MM didn't do enough to help Elvis, but to say they did nothing is simply untrue.

I agree with this post! I think "hating" someone, one has never met, is just ridiculous!

How can anyone assume the MM didn't do enough, were any of us there?? From what Joe and Sonny have said they tried to help, they never changed the story on this...

Elvis had to help Elvis, but unfortunately he was in no shape to help himself! :'(

franny

[Suzan]

Well said Getlo! :D
Yes Unique you did signal Billy out in your first response, unless you've since edited your response.:)

[Unique Dog]

Well said Getlo! :D
Yes Unique you did signal Billy out in your first response, unless you've since edited your response.:)

If that`s what you think then you need to go back and read the posts again. I mentioned Priscilla and others in my posts.

[MissyM]

What I can not understand is why people ***-ume that no one ever tried to help or talk to Elvis? Now, given the knowledge we have of Elvis's personality, wouldn't it be likely that they were telling the truth when they said they did and he got mad and wanted them to mind their own business. Also anyone who has ever dealt with an addiction, or even had the slightest knowledge would know that denial, and anger towards those who point it out is standard reaction. And then, I just want to ask, if you had a boss whom you loved and knew he was in trouble, would you say anything? Would you risk your job? (means of supporting your family) And then would you do it again knowing the outcome. (he would stay in denial and then fire you) Or would you just hang in there hoping for a time when he would be more open, love him and be his friends, and pray he saw the light? Well folks, that is what Billy did. Are we still in the grief process wanting to blame, wishing things did not turn out as they did. Perhaps. But the bottom line is that unless the person wants and has the inner strength to help themselves, you can not force them. Elvis was losing his will and will power. It is so evident just watching his weight gain and decline. We all wish it didn't turn out like it did, but blaming anyone will not change anything. If you have ever loved someone and watched them self-distruct, and done what you could, and then stood by helplessly watching him/her go anyway, maybe you could understand. Is there someone out there who have had to go throught that??? If you haven't then you are in no position to judge. IMO

[riley]

true so true.
What do you think Missy would have given him the will to overcome his problems again.

What would have chalenged him or given him back the will to change his life again????


Personally I think if Lisa would have been able to come to live with him permanent, he would have cared enough to change.....

[MissyM]

That's an awesome question Riley. You have a great point about Lisa. It seems even being close to death prior did not motivate him. Perhaps that would have been the only thing-Lisa. Perhaps a huge spiritual moment with the actualization of the presence of the Lord in an undeniable form. When I was slowly trying to do myself in by means of starving myself, that is what turned me around. God slapped me in the face with the reality that I was going to die and leave my children with out a mother. And then He assured me that He would be my strength to deal with the pain I was in and that I would not be alone in my journey back to heath and happiness.

[Unique Dog]

What I can not understand is why people ***-ume that no one ever tried to help or talk to Elvis? Now, given the knowledge we have of Elvis's personality, wouldn't it be likely that they were telling the truth when they said they did and he got mad and wanted them to mind their own business. Also anyone who has ever dealt with an addiction, or even had the slightest knowledge would know that denial, and anger towards those who point it out is standard reaction. And then, I just want to ask, if you had a boss whom you loved and knew he was in trouble, would you say anything? Would you risk your job? (means of supporting your family) And then would you do it again knowing the outcome. (he would stay in denial and then fire you) Or would you just hang in there hoping for a time when he would be more open, love him and be his friends, and pray he saw the light? Well folks, that is what Billy did. Are we still in the grief process wanting to blame, wishing things did not turn out as they did. Perhaps. But the bottom line is that unless the person wants and has the inner strength to help themselves, you can not force them. Elvis was losing his will and will power. It is so evident just watching his weight gain and decline. We all wish it didn't turn out like it did, but blaming anyone will not change anything. If you have ever loved someone and watched them self-distruct, and done what you could, and then stood by helplessly watching him/her go anyway, maybe you could understand. Is there someone out there who have had to go throught that??? If you haven't then you are in no position to judge. IMO

yes, I have

[MissyM]

Then my heart goes out to you. The frustration and feeling of helplessness is almost unbearable. Unfortunately I wasn't able to "save" a few of my people. It happens because they can't be saved. And the guilt I felt after was horrid. I wouldn't put it on anyone. I guess that's why unless I know with-out a minute doubt in my mind, I won't put that guilt on others. It messes with your mind.

[utmom2008]

What I can not understand is why people ***-ume that no one ever tried to help or talk to Elvis? Now, given the knowledge we have of Elvis's personality, wouldn't it be likely that they were telling the truth when they said they did and he got mad and wanted them to mind their own business. Also anyone who has ever dealt with an addiction, or even had the slightest knowledge would know that denial, and anger towards those who point it out is standard reaction. And then, I just want to ask, if you had a boss whom you loved and knew he was in trouble, would you say anything? Would you risk your job? (means of supporting your family) And then would you do it again knowing the outcome. (he would stay in denial and then fire you) Or would you just hang in there hoping for a time when he would be more open, love him and be his friends, and pray he saw the light? Well folks, that is what Billy did. Are we still in the grief process wanting to blame, wishing things did not turn out as they did. Perhaps. But the bottom line is that unless the person wants and has the inner strength to help themselves, you can not force them. Elvis was losing his will and will power. It is so evident just watching his weight gain and decline. We all wish it didn't turn out like it did, but blaming anyone will not change anything. If you have ever loved someone and watched them self-distruct, and done what you could, and then stood by helplessly watching him/her go anyway, maybe you could understand. Is there someone out there who have had to go throught that??? If you haven't then you are in no position to judge. IMO
(y)(y)(y) I totally agree 1000%. I sat back for years and watched my husband and his 2 sisters try every single angle and option available to them to try and help their Mom who was addicted to prescription medication. NOTHING they did helped...it only angered their Mom beyond belief. MissyM is right on target.....unless you have lived it, you have absolutely NO idea what it's like. It becomes a living hell for those that are closest to the situation, the same ones that are trying everything and every option available to them. Can you imagine how it feels to try and save your Mother from herself??? Only to have your Mother call you every name in the book?? Those that say his "real" friends didn't try or do enough absolutely do me in.(n)(n). All I can say is....good for you, you obviously have never been put in the middle of a miserable situation.....

[MissyM]

It's like being in an ocean and someone you love goes overboard. You pick up the lifeline and it isn't long enough, you keep trying to throw it out but they keep getting further away and you just watch them slowly dying. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!

[Lainey]

I am new here so forgive me for just jumping in.

What strikes me about the whole addiction thing is that in the 70's, there was not nearly the information and acceptance that we have today. How do you help someone when you really have no idea as how to handle the situation? We have the luxury (for lack of a better word) of looking back at Elvis' time with 30 years of progress in the treatment and in the intervention of addicts. I do believe that those around him handled the situation as best they knew how at the time and with what the had.

Addiction, as we have been told (among other things), is a combination of spiritual need, mental obsession and mis-fires in the brain for the most part. I think that looking back, Elvis exhibited these traits in many areas of his life. Guns, motorcycles, cars, race car tracks...there are many examples.

I'm not knocking him. I just feel that those around him were at a disadvantage which was not of their own fault. God bless the ones who loved through until the end.

[utmom2008]

Excellent post Lainey...that made perfect sense.(y) Welcome aboard! :D:D

[john carpenter]

I read that Elvis lost interest in Priscilla after Lisa Maries birth because he had a hang-up about "making love" to her because she was a mother,and it somehow turned him off.That's why Lisa Marie is their only child. But Elvis could have his pick of any woman he wanted even after his weight soared to 200 plus.

[MissyM]

Well I really appreciate what you said Lainey. Welcome!

[Unique Dog]

The awareness of addiction was there in the `70s, maybe not as upfront as it is today but it was there. Alot of the leading addiction centers were established in the early 1970s.....Betty Ford Center for example.

[MissyM]

But it wasn't all cool to end up in one. That is the very time that attitudes were changing about it. How many big stars do you know that went to one back then? Not many. They still feared for their careers and reputation.

[utmom2008]

The awareness of addiction was there in the `70s, maybe not as upfront as it is today but it was there. Alot of the leading addiction centers were established in the early 1970s.....Betty Ford Center for example.
The Betty Ford Center opened in 1982.........................5 years AFTER his death.
The Ford Center then paved the way for others to follow suit....

[utmom2008]

But it wasn't all cool to end up in one. That is the very time that attitudes were changing about it. How many big stars do you know that went to one back then? Not many. They still feared for their careers and reputation.
You are so right Missy. When we first tried to help my MIL it was 1980, and the centers were few and far between..

[MissyM]

Does anyone think the Col. would have allowed Elvis to go to a rehab? And risk his reputation. It's one thing to go to a hospital and say he was "sick". But going to a rehab center would have been like waving a red flag. And no way would Parker have that. He was always manipulating Elvis's reputation.

[Getlo]

Does anyone think the Col. would have allowed Elvis to go to a rehab? And risk his reputation. It's one thing to go to a hospital and say he was "sick". But going to a rehab center would have been like waving a red flag. And no way would Parker have that. He was always manipulating Elvis's reputation.

Surprisingly, I'd have to say yes, he would have. Although I'm sure The Colonel would have preferred it to have been kept quiet.

Had Elvis managed to live beyond 1977, all evidence suggests he would have become even more of a shambolic mess, so the situation would have eventually reached breaking point. I think The Colonel would finally have had enough and put his foot down.

[MissyM]

Oh in the later years that seems more probable. But before, I don't think so.

[Getlo]

Oh in the later years that seems more probable. But before, I don't think so.

Yes, but there was no reason to get him into rehab before, say, 1973, because until then, Elvis was maintaining his drug intake and functioning generally well, with a few exceptions.

Different story from 1973 onwards though ...

[MissyM]

I agree with that time line.