Why was MSG not filmed?

[elvis himselvis]

It was asked at the press conference of the MSG-shows in '72,but I can't make it up.so that's why I ask it here;Why didn't they filmed MSG???

[Tony Trout]

Elvis asked the Colonel, "Why did they film the concert in Boston (November '71, I'm assuming he's referring to) and they couldn't film it here?" and the remark the Colonel makes is still unclear to me....

Can anybody shed more light on this?

[Lisarose]

I listened to my copy, and I couldn't make sense of the man, first his speech was - well sort of slurred, then, it seemed as if he was talking in circles. I noticed that even Elvis shook his head in wonder. I don't think he gave an actual reason. I'm glad Elvis had the sense to field that question to the Col, however.

[Stryx]

Did Elvis think they had filmed his full show at Boston?

[epmoodyblue]

BECAUSE the Colonel was a @##@#$@#$&$%*&:angry:....highlight of elvis career and it wasint filmed go figure(n):king::cold:

[Stryx]

The Colonel can't be blamed for everything in Elvis's career.

As a fan I would love had MSG and every concert he ever performed been professionally filmed. But alas they were not.

I asked Charlie Hodge a few years back did he think it was a pity that we have so few professionally filmed concerts.

Charlie thought we actually had quite a lot.

Personally I don't.

But Colonel can't be blamed for everything.....and at the end of the day Elvis is the one who kept him on, so Elvis is responsible. :king:

[utmom2008]

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I asked Charlie Hodge a few years back did he think it was a pity that we have so few professionally filmed concerts.

Charlie thought we actually had quite a lot.



What an interesting reply Stryx:hmm: What did Charlie mean by that? I am with you...I don't think we do either.:supriced:

[Stryx]

What an interesting reply Stryx:hmm: What did Charlie mean by that? I am with you...I don't think we do either.:supriced:


Well when I asked Charlie he started to list out concerts that had been filmed like the 68', TTWII, EOT, ALOHA the CBS special.

He thought that was a lot of concerts. I guess it is, but I would just like a lot more.

Charlie was alright, I had a good chat with him. He woudlent talk about August 16th 1977 though.

His books only alright - it doesen't really offer much insight into life with Elvis though.

It was just before he died I met and spoke with him, he told me that the guy he wrote his book with had died and he was now getting all the profits from it! He mentioned that about three times! His wife who was with him was much much younger than him and he was quite proud that she was college educated.

He had some nice stories to tell.

[presley31]

Well when I asked Charlie he started to list out concerts that had been filmed like the 68', TTWII, EOT, ALOHA the CBS special.

He thought that was a lot of concerts. I guess it is, but I would just like a lot more.

Charlie was alright, I had a good chat with him. He woudlent talk about August 16th 1977 though.

His books only alright - it doesen't really offer much insight into life with Elvis though.

It was just before he died I met and spoke with him, he told me that the guy he wrote his book with had died and he was now getting all the profits from it! He mentioned that about three times! His wife who was with him was much much younger than him and he was quite proud that she was college educated.

He had some nice stories to tell.

Jennifer hodge is a very nice person and l don't think charlie said anything bad about elvis in his books, but never got to read them so l really don't know.

[Stryx]

Charlie didn't really say much at all in his books to be very honest.

[MojoElvis]

When Elvis asked the Colonel, at the MSG press confrence. "why are they not filming the MSG show?", even Elvis couldn't make out his answer and shrugged his shoulders like, whatever.

[rocknroll]

I thought the Colonel said it was because they couldn't get the building in time.

[thehillbillycat]

Who says it wasn't filmed? There is a 8mm film camera on the stage so I think some had to be filmed.......:P. Photos and the 8mm fan footage shows that camera on stage.:hmm:

[Getlo]

Who says it wasn't filmed? There is a 8mm film camera on the stage so I think some had to be filmed.......:P. Photos and the 8mm fan footage shows that camera on stage.:hmm:

It wasn't filmed professionally: 8mm is like home movies, or the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination.

[MojoElvis]

I thought the Colonel said it was because they couldn't get the building in time.

He said this regarding Elvis never playing in NY before other than TV shows. Elvis said, we had to wait for our turn.
There are some 8mm films available and some pro shots from the News media but I don't know how much was recorded of that. He's wearing the Adonis Suit.

[Getlo]

Did Elvis think they had filmed his full show at Boston?


No.

This was discussed many years ago in Elvis Monthly and other publications.

A reporter at the NYC press conference asked Elvis why they filmed in Boston rather than New York. Perplexed, Elvis passed the question over to the Colonel.

What the reporter presumably meant to say was Buffalo, which, as you know, is also in New York. Hence the confusion. The Buffalo show on April 5 was filmed by Robert Abel with just a small Sony camera to get a feel for the performance, in readiness for the upcoming April shows.

There was a theory going around years ago that the film footage of An American Trilogy (as featured in This Is Elvis) was actually from the Buffalo Sony camera footage: one angle, the colour isn't all that great. And I'm talking here about the footage itself - not the actual sound. Trilogy from TIE may have been overdubbed with the sound from Hampton Roads (evening show) from April 9 as Abel's camera would not have been able to capture sound in releasable quality. However, the TIE footage belies that theory. It's from Hampton. I do wonder why they only used one angle for Trilogy though. Maybe for cinematic effect?

And MSG was not filmed presumably because they had just filmed several shows in April. But what a pity they didn't film in MSG: Elvis was slimmer, certainly brighter than in April. The June shows were better overall too.

An Elvis On Tour based around the June tour and the MSG shows would have been something all right!

[Lisarose]

The Colonel can't be blamed for everything in Elvis's career.

As a fan I would love had MSG and every concert he ever performed been professionally filmed. But alas they were not.
I asked Charlie Hodge a few years back did he think it was a pity that we have so few professionally filmed concerts.

Charlie thought we actually had quite a lot.

I suppose for someone that was on with Elvis at every concert, the filming did seem like a lot. The rest of us who saw very little or none - we want more.

[Getlo]

and some pro shots from the News media but I don't know how much was recorded of that. He's wearing the Adonis Suit.

There is no pro shot "news media" footage from any of the four shows.

Any footage released from these shows has been fan shot footage, not professional.

See www.msg1972.com or the Rocking The Garden DVD.

[Getlo]

I suppose for someone that was on with Elvis at every concert, the filming did seem like a lot. The rest of us who saw very little or none - we want more.

Yeah.

Considering he gave 1156 concerts from 1969-77, you'd think there'd be more than the relative handful we have.

[President Presley]

http://www.msg1972.com/ What a great site about the MSG concerts. Thanks for the link!

[Frankieg]

No.

This was discussed many years ago in Elvis Monthly and other publications.

A reporter at the NYC press conference asked Elvis why they filmed in Boston rather than New York. Perplexed, Elvis passed the question over to the Colonel.

What the reporter presumably meant to say was Buffalo, which, as you know, is also in New York. Hence the confusion. The Buffalo show on April 5 was filmed by Robert Abel with just a small Sony camera to get a feel for the performance, in readiness for the upcoming April shows.

There was a theory going around years ago that the film footage of An American Trilogy (as featured in This Is Elvis) was actually from the Buffalo Sony camera footage: one angle, the colour isn't all that great. And I'm talking here about the footage itself - not the actual sound. Trilogy from TIE may have been overdubbed with the sound from Hampton Roads (evening show) from April 9 as Abel's camera would not have been able to capture sound in releasable quality. However, the TIE footage belies that theory. It's from Hampton. I do wonder why they only used one angle for Trilogy though. Maybe for cinematic effect?

And MSG was not filmed presumably because they had just filmed several shows in April. But what a pity they didn't film in MSG: Elvis was slimmer, certainly brighter than in April. The June shows were better overall too.

An Elvis On Tour based around the June tour and the MSG shows would have been something all right!

Spot on Getlo :!:(y)

Thanks for sparing me the time and effort on replying with that same exact answer :!:

[Stryx]

No.

This was discussed many years ago in Elvis Monthly and other publications.

A reporter at the NYC press conference asked Elvis why they filmed in Boston rather than New York. Perplexed, Elvis passed the question over to the Colonel.

What the reporter presumably meant to say was Buffalo, which, as you know, is also in New York. Hence the confusion. The Buffalo show on April 5 was filmed by Robert Abel with just a small Sony camera to get a feel for the performance, in readiness for the upcoming April shows.

There was a theory going around years ago that the film footage of An American Trilogy (as featured in This Is Elvis) was actually from the Buffalo Sony camera footage: one angle, the colour isn't all that great. And I'm talking here about the footage itself - not the actual sound. Trilogy from TIE may have been overdubbed with the sound from Hampton Roads (evening show) from April 9 as Abel's camera would not have been able to capture sound in releasable quality. However, the TIE footage belies that theory. It's from Hampton. I do wonder why they only used one angle for Trilogy though. Maybe for cinematic effect?

And MSG was not filmed presumably because they had just filmed several shows in April. But what a pity they didn't film in MSG: Elvis was slimmer, certainly brighter than in April. The June shows were better overall too.

An Elvis On Tour based around the June tour and the MSG shows would have been something all right!


Cheers for that

[rhythmknights]

There is no pro shot "news media" footage from any of the four shows.

Any footage released from these shows has been fan shot footage, not professional.

See www.msg1972.com or the Rocking The Garden DVD.

thanks for the info, Getlo! love this

[utmom2008]

There is no pro shot "news media" footage from any of the four shows.

Any footage released from these shows has been fan shot footage, not professional.

See www.msg1972.com or the Rocking The Garden DVD.
Thanks for posting that link Getlo. (y) That was very interesting...I spent about an hour on there last night! (y)

[elvis himselvis]

I thought I heard the colonol saying something about the Boston Concert,but this show isn't released officially...

[KPM]

The Colonel can't be blamed for everything in Elvis's career.

As a fan I would love had MSG and every concert he ever performed been professionally filmed. But alas they were not.

I asked Charlie Hodge a few years back did he think it was a pity that we have so few professionally filmed concerts.

Charlie thought we actually had quite a lot.

Personally I don't.

But Colonel can't be blamed for everything.....and at the end of the day Elvis is the one who kept him on, so Elvis is responsible. :king:
If Elvis and the Col. were partners -Elvis's end was performing and the Parkers was setting up deals for tours, filmed concerts, movies, recording contracts, etc-then Parker is to blame as much as Elvis. Elvis trusted the man to always steer him and his career the right way. Parker did pretty good till the mid 60s I will give him that. After that I see him as more hindrance in a lot of ways. Elvis should have got rid of him after 65-66 but Elvis trusted Parker he shouldn't have IMO

[elvis himselvis]

If we look at Elvis,we can say that this was the greatest entertainer,and he still is.
But I find it strange that for this kind of entertainer that there isn't much footage around of him performing.OK,we have 8mm,but not official footage.We have some great concerts on dvd,but there are so many more concerts he perfomed and we only got a couple of it that we can count on one hand.
Maybe because Elvis didn't want to let this happen,but can you imagine how great it would have been if we could have had more official concert footage.
I heard there was an easter special planned in 1974,but the colonel and Elvis didn't want this because they just had filmed Aloha from Hawaii...anyone more info about this?

[jak]

It's an absolute shame those shows were not filmed.I think they would have chronicled Elvis at his peak.He was outstanding in June of 72.I think he wasnt filmed more because the significance of these events were not known at the time.They had no way of knowing the historical importance of those shows.In that respect Elvis was probably taken for granted.
Jak

[Stryx]

Why don't you just get your own site Getlo, it seems like you're the only one that knows everything on here.
I'm out of this page, when I see Elvis fans taking you serious, it really tells me what kind of Elvis fans these are. Probably the kind Elvis once remarked about to one of his bodyguards as he was exiting the stage.

Guess TCB World is about to send me another strike, cause about to tell you what loser you are and think all the information you know about is the only one that exsit. Later Asshole!!!..

Quite the comment from someone displaying an Elvis Choclate snack as their signature.

Getlo would buy and sell you on Elvis knowledge.

If you are going....cheerio:clap:

[TCBnAflash]

what difference does it make. I believe I saw some pro shot flim that could be mistaking for MSG show in promotion for the Aloha. The intro to Where Elvis gave that interview where he seemed out of it. He was wearing the Adonis Jumpsuit on that too.

[utmom2008]

Why don't you just get your own site Getlo, it seems like you're the only one that knows everything on here.
I'm out of this page, when I see Elvis fans taking you serious, it really tells me what kind of Elvis fans these are. Probably the kind Elvis once remarked about to one of his bodyguards as he was exiting the stage.

Guess TCB World is about to send me another strike, cause about to tell you what loser you are and think all the information you know about is the only one that exsit. Later Asshole!!!..
OK Mojo, why are you starting something? In this post all he did was provide us with a link so we could all see the MSG things. I think alot of us didn't even know it existed, and in turn we were thankful that he provided it. I'm afraid you may have just gotten yourself banned using the word you just used;);) That was really a little much, dont ya think??? :hmm:

[TCBnAflash]

These 8mm videos have been out for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Colonel didn't have it filmed in pro shot. He really wasn't into capturing the moments of Elvis' life on film. All he cared about was the money swindled per ticket sale and the profits he made off of MSG live LP. Awesome album!

[alstrada]

FILMING FOR MGM

"ELVIS ON TOUR"

MARCH 30 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

MARCH 31 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY CONFERENCE ROOM FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY FILMED USING A MOBILE VIDEO CAMERA

APRIL 9 1972 "HAMPTON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 10 1972 "RICHMOND" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 13 1972 "CHARLOTTE" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 15 1972 "MACON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 16 1972 "JACKSONVILLE" / 2 CONCERTS / + AFTER SHOW FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 18 1972 "SAN ANTONIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

JUNE 9 1972 "MADISON SQUARE GARDEN" NY THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 40 MINUTES OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTAGES

NOVEMBER 18 1972 "THE H.I.C. ARENA, HONOLULU HAWAII" AT LEAST 4 SONGS WERE FILMED DURING THIS SHOW

JANUARY 23 1973 "LAS VEGAS" A MINIMUM OF 7 SONGS FROM THIS CONCERT IS ON FILM AND IN THE HANDS OF COLLECTOR
















MAY 11 1974 "THE FORUM, LA" THE EVENING SHOW WAS FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

MARCH 20 1974 "MIDSOUTH COLISEUM MEMPHIS" 2 CAMERAS FILMED THIS SHOW / CAMERA 1 CAUGHT ONLY THE FIRST 8 MINUTES BUT CAMERA 2 CAPTURED AN ESTIMATED 95% OF THE ENTIRE CONCERT

MAY 5 1975 "STATE FAIR COLISEUM JACKSON", MS LOCAL TV FILMED BACKSTAGE AND PARTS OF THIS BENEFIT CONCERT FOR THE VICTIMS OF THE TORNADO THAT HIT JACKSON MISSISSIPPI

JULY 13 1975 "CONVENTION CENTER NIAGARA FALL" NY TV CAMERAS FILMED AT LEAST 4 SONGS FROM THIS SHOW

NOVEMBER 30 1976 "ANAHEIM CONVENTION CENTER", CA 2 MOBILE CAMERAS VIDEO ON TRIPODS CAUGHT THIS ENTIRE SHOW ON FILM

DECEMBER 30 1976 "ATLANTA" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 1 1977 "MACON" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 17 1977 "SOUTHWEST MO. STAGE UNIVERSITY SPRINGFIELD" CBS USED 2 MOBILE VIDEO CAMERAS FOR THIS PERFORMANCE IN PREPARATION FOR THE FULL CAMERA CREW

JUNE 19 1977 "OMAHA CIVIC CENTER" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 21 1977 "MOUNT RUSHMORE RAPID CITY" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 26 1977 "MARKET SQUARE ARENA INDIANAPOLIS "THE CBS CAMERA TEAM FILMED ELVIS' FINAL PERFORMANCE OF THIS TOUR ON 2 CAMERAS AROUND 20 MINUTES.

THIS FOOTAGE ARE IN THE EPE ARCHIVES AND A FULL COPY OF THE SHOW IS IN THE PRIVATES HANDS

JUNE ?? 1977 - GRACELAND -

UNCONFIRMED / ONE COLLECTOR SAY THAT HE HAS FOOTAGE OF ELVIS BY THE POOL AT GRACELAND BEING INTERVIEWED BY CBS TEAM


List found on www.rareelvispresley.com

[Getlo]

Getlo would buy and sell you on Elvis knowledge.


Well, thanks for that!

I was surprised to see Mojo's tirade against me in your quoted post, as it's now been removed. I would have like to have had the chance to respond more immediately.

I suppose he was just miffed that my opinion about whether the MSG shows were filmed was contrary to what he said. But - like always - if people ever want to say things like this and give us proof, I'd be more than happy to stand corrected!

And so now MojoElvis is banned. That's life, as Sinatra once sang ...

[Getlo]

JUNE 9 1972 "MADISON SQUARE GARDEN" NY THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 40 MINUTES OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTAGES

UNCONFIRMED / ONE COLLECTOR SAY THAT HE HAS FOOTAGE OF ELVIS BY THE POOL AT GRACELAND BEING INTERVIEWED BY CBS TEAM


I think this list was posted on another thread? I'm not sure.

Alstrada, this is no reflection on you, but ...

This site (along with a couple of others) simply has no proof to back up its claims.

Pro shot MSG footage? Well, so where's it been since 1972?

And the idea that Elvis was interviewed by the pool in '77? No way, no how ... it never happened. However, I'd love to be proven wrong about this! If this collector is saying he has this interview, then let him show it and remove all doubt.

The rest of the list is too long to go into, but there are some real doozies on there. It's mostly just wishful thinking and speculation on the part of the website that puts it up, IMO.

[cameron]

FILMING FOR MGM

"ELVIS ON TOUR"

MARCH 30 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

MARCH 31 1972 "RCA HOLLYWOOD STUDIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY CONFERENCE ROOM FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 5 1972 "BUFFALO" NY FILMED USING A MOBILE VIDEO CAMERA

APRIL 9 1972 "HAMPTON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 10 1972 "RICHMOND" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 13 1972 "CHARLOTTE" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 15 1972 "MACON" / 2 CONCERTS / FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 16 1972 "JACKSONVILLE" / 2 CONCERTS / + AFTER SHOW FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

APRIL 18 1972 "SAN ANTONIO" FILMED WITH MGM CAMERAS

JUNE 9 1972 "MADISON SQUARE GARDEN" NY THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 40 MINUTES OF PROFESSIONAL FOOTAGES

NOVEMBER 18 1972 "THE H.I.C. ARENA, HONOLULU HAWAII" AT LEAST 4 SONGS WERE FILMED DURING THIS SHOW

JANUARY 23 1973 "LAS VEGAS" A MINIMUM OF 7 SONGS FROM THIS CONCERT IS ON FILM AND IN THE HANDS OF COLLECTOR
















MAY 11 1974 "THE FORUM, LA" THE EVENING SHOW WAS FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

MARCH 20 1974 "MIDSOUTH COLISEUM MEMPHIS" 2 CAMERAS FILMED THIS SHOW / CAMERA 1 CAUGHT ONLY THE FIRST 8 MINUTES BUT CAMERA 2 CAPTURED AN ESTIMATED 95% OF THE ENTIRE CONCERT

MAY 5 1975 "STATE FAIR COLISEUM JACKSON", MS LOCAL TV FILMED BACKSTAGE AND PARTS OF THIS BENEFIT CONCERT FOR THE VICTIMS OF THE TORNADO THAT HIT JACKSON MISSISSIPPI

JULY 13 1975 "CONVENTION CENTER NIAGARA FALL" NY TV CAMERAS FILMED AT LEAST 4 SONGS FROM THIS SHOW

NOVEMBER 30 1976 "ANAHEIM CONVENTION CENTER", CA 2 MOBILE CAMERAS VIDEO ON TRIPODS CAUGHT THIS ENTIRE SHOW ON FILM

DECEMBER 30 1976 "ATLANTA" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 1 1977 "MACON" CONCERT FILMED IN IT'S ENTIRETY

JUNE 17 1977 "SOUTHWEST MO. STAGE UNIVERSITY SPRINGFIELD" CBS USED 2 MOBILE VIDEO CAMERAS FOR THIS PERFORMANCE IN PREPARATION FOR THE FULL CAMERA CREW

JUNE 19 1977 "OMAHA CIVIC CENTER" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 21 1977 "MOUNT RUSHMORE RAPID CITY" CBS FILMED BEFORE / DURING / AND AFTER THIS CONCERT

JUNE 26 1977 "MARKET SQUARE ARENA INDIANAPOLIS "THE CBS CAMERA TEAM FILMED ELVIS' FINAL PERFORMANCE OF THIS TOUR ON 2 CAMERAS AROUND 20 MINUTES.

THIS FOOTAGE ARE IN THE EPE ARCHIVES AND A FULL COPY OF THE SHOW IS IN THE PRIVATES HANDS

JUNE ?? 1977 - GRACELAND -

UNCONFIRMED / ONE COLLECTOR SAY THAT HE HAS FOOTAGE OF ELVIS BY THE POOL AT GRACELAND BEING INTERVIEWED BY CBS TEAM


List found on www.rareelvispresley.com

I've found this to be a very credible site . Thanks . (y)

[TCBnAflash]

Like I said earlier, I think there might be some footage of Elvis wearing the Adonis JS with pro shot cameras. If I could only find the video of this i'll post it. They are playing, You Dont Have To Say You Love Me, along with it. It's only picture no sound.

I would have to agree with the list Alstrada posted too

[Stryx]

No offence to everyone who thinks that much footage was shot of Elvis, but after 30 years it seems unlikely.

EPE refute that any concerts were recorded apart from the ones we all know about.

Who is supposed to have filmed Elvis in 74', 75' and 76'? What did they film him for and more importantly......where did they get the money to pay the Colonel to do soemthing like that.

Elvis didn't appear at the awards for the lifetime achievement award he won because they woulden't pay him to be perform and they wanted him to perform.

Instead they presented it to him in his dressing room in Vegas.

[Getlo]

I would have to agree with the list Alstrada posted too

In what sense, agree? That you believe all this stuff listed actually exists?


No offence to everyone who thinks that much footage was shot of Elvis, but after 30 years it seems unlikely.

Exactly.

After 30 years and more, not a single frame of any pro-shot concert footage has surfaced (aside from the KNBC couple of minutes from August '72, and Japanese TV from Honolulu in November of that year).

And these people who say pro shot is professional simply based on who recorded it rather than what equipment was used to record it! Ugh! 8mm is not pro footage, no matter which was you slice it!

See you by the pool! :lol:

[Getlo]

Like I said earlier, I think there might be some footage of Elvis wearing the Adonis JS with pro shot cameras. If I could only find the video of this i'll post it. They are playing, You Dont Have To Say You Love Me, along with it. It's only picture no sound.

If it's only picture with no sound, how do you know what song is playing?

Also, could you be confused with the Japanese TV pro shot footage from Honolulu, 1972?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh2KwgRTsL4

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUF0IFmXt2s

[Getlo]

JUNE 26 1977 "MARKET SQUARE ARENA INDIANAPOLIS "THE CBS CAMERA TEAM FILMED ELVIS' FINAL PERFORMANCE OF THIS TOUR ON 2 CAMERAS AROUND 20 MINUTES.

Here's a perfect example of what I mean, when stuff like this is bandied about as definite ... without proof ... and when people believe it without any evidence whatsover just gets to me. ;)

Ger Rijff - who was at the Indy show - had it confirmed to him by CBS executive Ann Wolf that cameras were at the show ... but only to film the crowds outside and the general milling about. Same with the Indy airport footage.

Indianapolis June 26th, 1977 - unfortunately - was not professionally videotaped.

And most of the stuff on the previous list can be just as easily debunked.

FIGHT THE MYTHS AND FALSEHOODS, PEOPLE!

[KPM]

I think this list was posted on another thread? I'm not sure.

Alstrada, this is no reflection on you, but ...

This site (along with a couple of others) simply has no proof to back up its claims.

Pro shot MSG footage? Well, so where's it been since 1972?

And the idea that Elvis was intereviewed by the pool in '77? No way, no how ... it never happened. However, I'd love to be proven wrong about this! If this collector is saying he has this interview, then let him show it and remove all doubt.

The rest of the list is too long to go into, but there are some real doozies on there. It's mostly just wishful thinking and speculation on the part of the website that puts it up, IMO.

I was the one who posted the site for the avante garde filmmaker who used 16mm cameras to film at MSG-on another thread. I also posted the info which is at the MSG ELvis website which is devoted to nothing but info on the MSG shows and its pretty well researched.
Getlo you and I debated what pro-footage meant at that time. I can not recall this avante garde guys name but I'm sure you recall the debate. (you have a very low opinion of avante garde filmmakers as I recall) But he does have 16 mm footage which has only been used so far in a short 4-5 minute avante garde film which was nominated for some avante garde award. He used some of the footage -speeded up, with quick cuts- along with music by Mozart? (or another famous composer)
He is considered a professional filmmaker and he used 16mm cameras. He was not authorized as far as I can find out. But as I said in the other thread I don't care if its authorized, I care how clear the footage is (and this is 16mm clear) and how much of the concert was recorded. Thats really all most would care about who love to see Elvis perform.
The thread we talked about this was not that long ago.

[Danny Ocean]

Some Madison Square concerts are filmed proffesionally.. They are in Private hands.. Rumors are there that there is many footage that is in hands of Elvis' friends.. There is even footage of Elvis rehearsing in Hawaii '73 and backstage footage, shot for Japanese TV Broadcasting.. A year ago.. after some research I recieved a 30 second movie of footage that showed Elvis in his 'MSG interview jacket' walking on stage.. it changed and then you saw him standing on stage.. white Puffy shirt If I remember clearly and he had a bunch of hair.. just like the Alternate Aloha.. (I remember it was What Now My Love and Elvis puts his fist in the air..) That's all I ever saw of it.. But I know it's there..

[Danny Ocean]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Getlo
I think this list was posted on another thread? I'm not sure.

Alstrada, this is no reflection on you, but ...

This site (along with a couple of others) simply has no proof to back up its claims.

Pro shot MSG footage? Well, so where's it been since 1972?

And the idea that Elvis was intereviewed by the pool in '77? No way, no how ... it never happened. However, I'd love to be proven wrong about this! If this collector is saying he has this interview, then let him show it and remove all doubt.

The rest of the list is too long to go into, but there are some real doozies on there. It's mostly just wishful thinking and speculation on the part of the website that puts it up, IMO.
__________________________________________________ ________________________

There were plans to film that, Elvis agreed but it never came of it..

[TCBnAflash]

Some Madison Square concerts are filmed proffesionally.. They are in Private hands.. Rumors are there that there is many footage that is in hands of Elvis' friends.. There is even footage of Elvis rehearsing in Hawaii '73 and backstage footage, shot for Japanese TV Broadcasting.. A year ago.. after some research I recieved a 30 second movie of footage that showed Elvis in his 'MSG interview jacket' walking on stage.. it changed and then you saw him standing on stage.. white Puffy shirt If I remember clearly and he had a bunch of hair.. just like the Alternate Aloha.. (I remember it was What Now My Love and Elvis puts his fist in the air..) That's all I ever saw of it.. But I know it's there..

I knew I saw something that was very clear footage of MSG. So was that Mojo dude right? He got banned for using cuss words but I think whoever got him worked up owes him an apology. I would really love to see that Poolside interview too if it did happened.

[thehillbillycat]

It wasn't filmed professionally: 8mm is like home movies, or the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination.

Umm, wrong. There is many different types of 8mm cameras including some which films professionally. Parts of Elvis On Tour was filmed professionally using a 8mm camera. The mobile camera that was used was a 8mm camera. Joe Cocker's movie was done by the same guys and they used 8mm cameras during that movie. The same was done for Elvis On Tour. It evens says that in a movie book I have that talks about Joe Cocker's movie. The camera is seen in Elvis On Tour outtakes and also is seen on stage during the fan footage of June 10th Afternoon and Evening concerts at the MSG. As for the list, Macon 1972 concerts was not filmed at all by MGM. They was filmed by the local TV cnews crew. One show is incomplete and one show is complete. I know the person who owns both of them. He also owns the Macon 1977 concert which is complete. Same TV channel filmed it as well. He and another person I know who owns the Atlanta Dec. 1976 concert (complete) has worked out an agreement which a overseas company to release it. The release date is 2008. They are trying for August sometime before the anniversary of his death but it is unconfirmed if it will be August. They think it might be sooner. Indy concert was also filmed professionally and is seen on some of the budget DVDs of Elvis. But the whole concert was not filmed. The show was filmed by a TV crew. Also, about the Easter Special. This is also true that one was planned but it was canceled because the Aloha show which was a year before. One of the 45 picture sleeve mentioned it at the bottom. But again, it was cancel.

[Getlo]

There were plans to film that (the pool interview), Elvis agreed but it never came of it..

Your source, please?

[Getlo]

Some Madison Square concerts are filmed proffesionally.. They are in Private hands..

No, they were not. And your source that they are in "private hands"?


Rumors are there that there is many footage that is in hands of Elvis' friends.. There is even footage of Elvis rehearsing in Hawaii '73 and backstage footage, shot for Japanese TV Broadcasting..

Exactly. Rumours!


A year ago.. after some research I recieved a 30 second movie of footage that showed Elvis in his 'MSG interview jacket' walking on stage.. it changed and then you saw him standing on stage.. white Puffy shirt If I remember clearly and he had a bunch of hair.. just like the Alternate Aloha.. (I remember it was What Now My Love and Elvis puts his fist in the air..) That's all I ever saw of it.. But I know it's there..

If you still have it ... then please post it. Or even a screen grab.

"Professional" is not 8mm, or some guy with a 16mm camera either. Professional is of MGM / CBS standard and shot by companies of this ilk.

[Getlo]

Umm, wrong. There is many different types of 8mm cameras including some which films professionally. Parts of Elvis On Tour was filmed professionally using a 8mm camera. The mobile camera that was used was a 8mm camera.

Yes and no. Was the 8mm footage (from Buffalo) used in the final film? No. Yes, this is pro shot in the sense that MGM authorised filming (actually, it was Bob Abel who shot this for himself; it wasn't part of MGM's actual filming schedule) but it's not pro shot because of the type of camera used.


As for the list, Macon 1972 concerts was not filmed at all by MGM. They was filmed by the local TV cnews crew. One show is incomplete and one show is complete. I know the person who owns both of them. He also owns the Macon 1977 concert which is complete. Same TV channel filmed it as well. He and another person I know who owns the Atlanta Dec. 1976 concert (complete) has worked out an agreement which a overseas company to release it. The release date is 2008.

Have you seen any of this footage, or do you take their word for it? The release date is 2008? Is this info from the same people who said there'd be a "huge release" of stuff last (northern) spring (that never eventuated)?


Indy concert was also filmed professionally and is seen on some of the budget DVDs of Elvis. But the whole concert was not filmed. The show was filmed by a TV crew.

I guarantee you it wasn't; and we will never see TV crew footage of the Indy show. Mark my words. The stuff on some of the budget DVDs (some of which I have) may be of good quality, but it is still mostly fan shot stuff, ie not professional.

Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong over this, as we all deserve to see more of Elvis in concert.

People are confusing the word "professional" with "better than the usual fan shot stuff". Unless the footage was authorised by MGM, CBS etc ... then it's not professional.

[Getlo]

I knew I saw something that was very clear footage of MSG. So was that Mojo dude right? He got banned for using cuss words but I think whoever got him worked up owes him an apology.

MojoElvis was not right.

What you saw (and I think it's still available on YouTube) was excellent quality fan shot MSG stuff (see www.msg1972.com). Speeded up, for some reason, with Mozart (?) playing in the background.

It was me who got Mojo worked up so much. Or, more accurately, it was when I dared disagree with him that the MSG shows were pro filmed.

And I do not owe him an apology ... for anything. His foul-mouthed tirade got him banned.

[Stryx]

:lmfao:
Some Madison Square concerts are filmed proffesionally.. They are in Private hands.. Rumors are there that there is many footage that is in hands of Elvis' friends.. There is even footage of Elvis rehearsing in Hawaii '73 and backstage footage, shot for Japanese TV Broadcasting.. A year ago.. after some research I recieved a 30 second movie of footage that showed Elvis in his 'MSG interview jacket' walking on stage.. it changed and then you saw him standing on stage.. white Puffy shirt If I remember clearly and he had a bunch of hair.. just like the Alternate Aloha.. (I remember it was What Now My Love and Elvis puts his fist in the air..) That's all I ever saw of it.. But I know it's there..

MSG is filmed professionally! :lmfao:

Wow.....Colonel got an album and a pro tv footage from it and never used the pro tv footage and as far as im aware never charged for the pro tv people to film!

But it's in private hands.....oh yes.....that makes so much sense.:lmfao:

[TCBnAflash]

MojoElvis was not right.

What you saw (and I think it's still available on YouTube) was excellent quality fan shot MSG stuff (see www.msg1972.com). Speeded up, for some reason, with Mozart (?) playing in the background.

It was me who got Mojo worked up so much. Or, more accurately, it was when I dared disagree with him that the MSG shows were pro filmed.

And I do not owe him an apology ... for anything. His foul-mouthed tirade got him banned.

Sorry Getlo, None of that footage from that page is what I saw.

[jak]

Personally I do believe that there is some pro shot MSG footage.Someone who I trust has told me that there was a live feed of the show sent to the closed circut monitors up in the luxury boxes.This was caught on tape.Having said that,it's still speculation until it turns up.I just trust the source of this info and it does sound plausible.
Jak

[thehillbillycat]

Yes and no. Was the 8mm footage (from Buffalo) used in the final film? No. Yes, this is pro shot in the sense that MGM authorised filming (actually, it was Bob Abel who shot this for himself; it wasn't part of MGM's actual filming schedule) but it's not pro shot because of the type of camera used.



Have you seen any of this footage, or do you take their word for it? The release date is 2008? Is this info from the same people who said there'd be a "huge release" of stuff last (northern) spring (that never eventuated)?



I guarantee you it wasn't; and we will never see TV crew footage of the Indy show. Mark my words. The stuff on some of the budget DVDs (some of which I have) may be of good quality, but it is still mostly fan shot stuff, ie not professional.

Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong over this, as we all deserve to see more of Elvis in concert.

People are confusing the word "professional" with "better than the usual fan shot stuff". Unless the footage was authorised by MGM, CBS etc ... then it's not professional.


Have I seen the footage of Macon 1972, 1977 and Atlanta Dec 1976? May I ask where have you been. I been talking about that for over a year now that these guys does have this and I have seen it with my own eyes. I was the one who told them the dates of the show when I first saw it. i never heard anything that happen in spring time for a release. These guys lives not far from me and never had plans on releasing this footage until about two months ago. They was offer a nice price to use the footage and they still keep the ownership of the footage itself. As for Elvis On Tour, that is not totally true. Parts of the Hampton Roads Concert and Greensboro Concert was filmed using the 8mm Mobile Camera and is seen in Elvis On Tour. MGM owns those cameras because they had their logo on the side. Their is a film collector that lives in California that actaully owns one of those cameras and is selling it for about $8,000. He has all the paperwork on it of what movies was filmed with it including Elvis On Tour.

The budget DVD that contains only a few seconds worth of the Indy 1977 concert has talking over it. The narrator evens says "This is filmed by a local TV crew at Elvis' last concert at the Market Square Arena in 1977." I forgot what TV crew filmed it, I think christian would know that. The footage is not of film but of tape.

[Stryx]

Have I seen the footage of Macon 1972, 1977 and Atlanta Dec 1976? May I ask where have you been. I been talking about that for over a year now that these guys does have this and I have seen it with my own eyes. I was the one who told them the dates of the show when I first saw it. i never heard anything that happen in spring time for a release. These guys lives not far from me and never had plans on releasing this footage until about two months ago. They was offer a nice price to use the footage and they still keep the ownership of the footage itself. As for Elvis On Tour, that is not totally true. Parts of the Hampton Roads Concert and Greensboro Concert was filmed using the 8mm Mobile Camera and is seen in Elvis On Tour. MGM owns those cameras because they had their logo on the side. Their is a film collector that lives in California that actaully owns one of those cameras and is selling it for about $8,000. He has all the paperwork on it of what movies was filmed with it including Elvis On Tour.

The budget DVD that contains only a few seconds worth of the Indy 1977 concert has talking over it. The narrator evens says "This is filmed by a local TV crew at Elvis' last concert at the Market Square Arena in 1977." I forgot what TV crew filmed it, I think christian would know that. The footage is not of film but of tape.


I just have a few questions about the footage that you say will be released in 2008.

Firstly what was it filmed with and secondly what is the sound quality like?

Also - who filmed it? How much did they pay Parker to do the filming and how on earth would someone who paid to film Elvis professionally manage to keep it a secret for decades , let alone the amount of money they would have lost from not exploting what they filmed.

I presume your friends didn't film or commission the piece - so they must have bought it off someone.

To me, in storys about pro Elvis footage, too much doesent make sense that should. I hope im wrong, but I don't think this will be released in 08', 09' or even by 2077.

[Getlo]

I just have a few questions about the footage that you say will be released in 2008.

Firstly what was it filmed with and secondly what is the sound quality like?

Also - who filmed it? How much did they pay Parker to do the filming and how on earth would someone who paid to film Elvis professionally manage to keep it a secret for decades , let alone the amount of money they would have lost from not exploting what they filmed.

I presume your friends didn't film or commission the piece - so they must have bought it off someone.

To me, in storys about pro Elvis footage, too much doesent make sense that should. I hope im wrong, but I don't think this will be released in 08', 09' or even by 2077.

Precisely.

If MGM or CBS or a local TV crew didn't film a show ... then it is not professional footage!

[elvis himselvis]

I would love to see Pro footage of Macon '77(y)
Is it really going to be released in 2008?

[KPM]

Here is some info from a previous discussion on MSG a while back:

Originally Posted by CHRISTIAN M
HI KPM
You have false informations concerning this footage
this has nothing to see withe ABC news
i post this footage and story here fews months ago

You can see quality of 16 mm footage from J.Mekas here
http://www.skip.at/AT/filme/trailer/...hp?filmnr=1737
according to Jonas Mekas he film withe his 16mm camera around 40 minutes of this show
he obtain the permit to film directly by the colonel Parker
and send to him a copy of the 16mm footage,if the footage is now in EPE hands is the question,i aske 2 years ago to EPE but don t have appopriate reply
Jonas Mekas is psykadelik (hope it s the good word in english) movie director
he do many short footage in experimental style
the clip posted from MSG is a special trailer do for a viennal festival in Austria fews years ago
Christian M

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[Getlo]

Personally I do believe that there is some pro shot MSG footage.

Jak, what is your definition of pro shot?

Mine is that shot by MGM, CNS or local TV crews only.

[Getlo]

according to Jonas Mekas he film withe his 16mm camera around 40 minutes of this show
he obtain the permit to film directly by the colonel Parker
and send to him a copy of the 16mm footage,if the footage is now in EPE

Parker gave this bloke permission to film?

Hmm ... I wonder then how much he had to pay for the privilege!

And 16mm is not professional.

I wouldn't place too much stock in what Christian M says either. His website swears the '77 poolside interview is in "private hands". ;)

[cameron]

Here is some info from a previous discussion on MSG a while back:

Originally Posted by CHRISTIAN M
HI KPM
You have false informations concerning this footage
this has nothing to see withe ABC news
i post this footage and story here fews months ago

You can see quality of 16 mm footage from J.Mekas here
http://www.skip.at/AT/filme/trailer/...hp?filmnr=1737
according to Jonas Mekas he film withe his 16mm camera around 40 minutes of this show
he obtain the permit to film directly by the colonel Parker
and send to him a copy of the 16mm footage,if the footage is now in EPE hands is the question,i aske 2 years ago to EPE but don t have appopriate reply
Jonas Mekas is psykadelik (hope it s the good word in english) movie director
he do many short footage in experimental style
the clip posted from MSG is a special trailer do for a viennal festival in Austria fews years ago
Christian M

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Thanks, KPM. The link doesn't show anything, but I'd believe Christian.

[thehillbillycat]

I just have a few questions about the footage that you say will be released in 2008.

Firstly what was it filmed with and secondly what is the sound quality like?

Also - who filmed it? How much did they pay Parker to do the filming and how on earth would someone who paid to film Elvis professionally manage to keep it a secret for decades , let alone the amount of money they would have lost from not exploting what they filmed.

I presume your friends didn't film or commission the piece - so they must have bought it off someone.

To me, in storys about pro Elvis footage, too much doesent make sense that should. I hope im wrong, but I don't think this will be released in 08', 09' or even by 2077.

The footage is on tape and not film. It is on the kind of tapes that you would find in the 70s which are bigger than a VHS tape. But a TV crew film the footage. The was obtained several years ago by these guys.

The footage of Macon is in the hands who lives in south Georgia. He is a collector of many rare items. The old TV station building was bought by a person who sold everything that was inside it in a yard sale. Cameras, equipment, video tape and films that range from 16mm to 8mm. My friend bought some equipment which included some tape player and about 3000 video tapes. They were all label and three stood out the most because they said Elvis in Concert. He was figuring those tapes were of the 1977 CBS Special. When he watched them he saw completely different Elvis footage. He didn't know where these was taken at. Well a few years went by after that yard sale. He heard of me liking Elvis and having alot of knowledge on Elvis. He found me at a local flea market which I go to every weekend. He ask if I would se when these was filmed and where they was filmed at. I told him that Elvis did over 1100 shows in the 70s and the likely hood of me knowing the exact place is slim. Well, I met up with him again and I watch the video tapes. When looking at it I was amazed at one thing, it was the Macon Coliseum. I know the inside of the Macon Coliseum like the back of my hand and there it was in front of me with Elvis on stage in 1972. I told him the dates of these April 15, 1972 AS and ES. He ask how did I know. I told him that Elvis only played the Macon Coliseum with those suits he was wearing one time for the AS and ES shows. He says Ok. Viewing the last one was again amazing. I was figuring that was from his last tour (which includes the ones filmed by CBS). The beginning of the tape was of him at the Hilton Hotel. Ok, first thing pop in my head was Vegas. But the footage turned white and I am hearing the 2001 then the lights came on and again I see the Macon Coliseum with Elvis on Stage.

The guy who owns also lives in south Georgia. I met him about a year later after the guy who owns the Macon footages at the same flea market. This guy heard of me and brought up a player and the tape. He told me that he got this from a sale that a TV station had. The tape he had said Elvis 1976 show. Umm, well that got me curious and since a friend of mine had a TV we took that to his spot and watch the footage. What was odd was the song listing that I am listening to. Not quite a 1976 line up that I have been hearing. But when I heard Elvis sing Such A Night, that dawn on me that is his last Atlanta concert. Also, since it was that show the outfits that the band members wore match too - red.

Oh the sound on these would be compare to Auld Lang Syne or The King Goes Bananas. Video wish is fantastic. All of these was filmed by the TV news crew.

[Getlo]

Okay, so it's been said that a lot of this stuff is coming out in 2008?

Mark my words here and now ...

It is December 7th here in Australia.

I'll bet that when we come back here on December 7th, 2008 ... one full year from now ... none of this supposed footage will have seen the light of day.

Another point, although it doesn't prove anything one way or the other: in all the newspaper reviews of Elvis' shows (and I have most of them) film cameras are mentioned in most of the reviews of concerts we know were filmed (eg the ones for On Tour). But in all of the other reviews - all of them, mind you - not a single review refers to cameras of any sort being present.

As the old saying goes: I'll believe it when I see it.

And I'm betting I won't!

But I'd love to be proven wrong over some of this footage ...

[KPM]

Thanks, KPM. The link doesn't show anything, but I'd believe Christian.
Here is The Mekas website
http://www.jonasmekas.com/bio.php
If you click on "Collection of 40" the Elvis clip is there.

[cameron]

Here is The Mekas website
http://www.jonasmekas.com/bio.php
If you click on "Collection of 40" the Elvis clip is there.

Quite a biography too . Thanks .

[TCBnAflash]

That looks like a cross between a amature and Pro shot picture. That's still not one I saw. Still looking for it..grrrrr

[KPM]

That looks like a cross between a amature and Pro shot picture. That's still not one I saw. Still looking for it..grrrrr
This guy Mekas is very weird filmmaker. The footage is intentionally sped up and cut that way-don't ask me why. The music is Mozart-don't ask me why.
But he is a professional filmmaker-although his style is very-oblique.
He uses only 16mm cameras and has one some awards for his weird little films. All I'm worried about is (regardless of how he sped up the film, and cut it for his "artistic work" on it is very crisp clear 16mm and reported to be about 40 minutes in length. I have always assumed he did not have permission to film- although Christian says Mekas says he did.

[Getlo]

This guy Mekas is very weird filmmaker. The footage is intentionally sped up and cut that way-don't ask me why. The music is Mozart-don't ask me why.

He's being pretentious, and trying to be clever, that's why.

Oh, but it's aaaaaaaaart, darling, doncha know?!

[utmom2008]

This guy Mekas is very weird filmmaker. The footage is intentionally sped up and cut that way-don't ask me why. The music is Mozart-don't ask me why.
But he is a professional filmmaker-although his style is very-oblique.
He uses only 16mm cameras and has one some awards for his weird little films. All I'm worried about is (regardless of how he sped up the film, and cut it for his "artistic work" on it is very crisp clear 16mm and reported to be about 40 minutes in length. I have always assumed he did not have permission to film- although Christian says Mekas says he did.
Thanks for that link, the guy has quite a biography. The clip is so different that I don't know what category to put it in. :D

[KPM]

Parker gave this bloke permission to film?

Hmm ... I wonder then how much he had to pay for the privilege!

And 16mm is not professional.

I wouldn't place too much stock in what Christian M says either. His website swears the '77 poolside interview is in "private hands". ;)

By your definition-not mine. You have always held that it has to be MGM, or CBS etc to be pro- footage. Perhaps to be authorized yes I'd agree-but having or not having the authorization does not change the quality of the film nor the crispness and clarity. I mean if all 40 minutes of this exists-are you gonna quibble that is was not MGM film? I said it before- who cares. All I know is the film you can see is clear and crisp-his edit and cuts are all thats wrong with it. If 40 minutes exists(if) it is still great footage shot by a professional filmmaker.

[Getlo]

I mean if all 40 minutes of this exists-are you gonna quibble that is was not MGM film?

YES !!! ;);)

[KPM]

YES !!! ;);)
I like that-Stick to your guns pal;);)

[Getlo]

I like that-Stick to your guns pal;);)

I always do. Always.

[KPM]

I always do. Always.
I guess that makes 2 of us-but everyones wrong now and then.

[Lisarose]

Okay, so it's been said that a lot of this stuff is coming out in 2008?

Mark my words here and now ...

It is December 7th here in Australia.

I'll bet that when we come back here on December 7th, 2008 ... one full year from now ... none of this supposed footage will have seen the light of day.

But I'd love to be proven wrong over some of this footage ...

I'd love to see you proven wrong too, I would love to see MORE Elvis. But like you, I won't be holding my breath.

[Getlo]

but everyones wrong now and then.

Yes, I suppose they are ...

I look forward to 2008; my DVD player is at the ready! :lmfao:

[KPM]

Yes, I suppose they are ...

I look forward to 2008; my DVD player is at the ready! :lmfao:
Thats good to know.

[Getlo]

By way of interest, here's a list of the shows that were professionally filmed:

LAS VEGAS:
10th August 1970 OS
11th August 1970 DS
11th August 1970 MS
12th August 1970 DS
12th August 1970 MS
13th August 1970 DS
13th August 1970 MS
14th August 1970 DS
14th August 1970 MS

BUFFALO: 5th April 1972 ES - hand-held camera, one angle
HAMPTON ROADS: 9th April 1972 ES
RICHMOND: 10th April 1972 ES
GREENSBORO: 14th April 1972 ES
SAN ANTONIO: 18th April 1972 ES

LAS VEGAS: 4th September 1972 DS - partial show only, KNBC in Vegas

HONOLULU: 18th November 1972 ES - partial show only, Japanese TV

HONOLULU: 12th January 1973
HONOLULU: 14th January 1973

OMAHA: 19th June 1977
RAPID CITY: 21st June 1977


And that, my friends, is it!

[KPM]

By way of interest, here's a list of the shows that were professionally filmed:

LAS VEGAS:
10th August 1970 OS
11th August 1970 DS
11th August 1970 MS
12th August 1970 DS
12th August 1970 MS
13th August 1970 DS
13th August 1970 MS
14th August 1970 DS
14th August 1970 MS

BUFFALO: 5th April 1972 ES - hand-held camera, one angle
HAMPTON ROADS: 9th April 1972 ES
RICHMOND: 10th April 1972 ES
GREENSBORO: 14th April 1972 ES
SAN ANTONIO: 18th April 1972 ES

LAS VEGAS: 4th September 1972 DS - partial show only, KNBC in Vegas

HONOLULU: 18th November 1972 ES - partial show only, Japanese TV

HONOLULU: 12th January 1973
HONOLULU: 14th January 1973

OMAHA: 19th June 1977
RAPID CITY: 21st June 1977


And that, my friends, is it!
My friend that is all we know for sure-I never-say never
So IMO the door is open.

[Stryx]

My friend that is all we know for sure-I never-say never
So IMO the door is open.

I hope that more was.....but knowing how much Colonel would charge I highly doubt it.

People just presume because Elvis played so much more must have been filmed professionally.....sadly it seems it wasn't.

As for things in private collectors hands that not much is known of.... I always am doubtful to their existence.

[KPM]

I hope that more was.....but knowing how much Colonel would charge I highly doubt it.

People just presume because Elvis played so much more must have been filmed professionally.....sadly it seems it wasn't.

As for things in private collectors hands that not much is known of.... I always am doubtful to their existence.
This guy Mekas is a professional filmmaker-he was not known about for years and somehow he filmed with 16mm at MSG- it is claimed 40 minutes worth by Christian M.
The short clip Mekas has on his site with Mozart music is 4 minutes long Looking at the footage( and overlooking his weird edit ) the 16mm film is as crisp as any I have seen. So I hope he truely does have 40 minutes of footage.
I had read ABC was the one who had filmed from the start of the show thru "Polk Salad Annie" Thats what the MSG web site has said and Joe Tunzi has said he thinks this is true.
http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_joe_tunzi_jat.shtml
Elvis Australia-We know that some professional footage was done at the opening show of Madison Square Garden on June 9th 1972. Some portions of this footage has been used on different projects but always heavily edited and without Elvis’ vocal. Three years ago Dateline NBC used a short sequence for the first time with the original sound of Elvis performing "Polk Salad Annie". According to the different footages partly used on different projects and/or on T.V., they have filmed at least the following: the crowd before the show starts, The Sweet Inspirations, Elvis entering the stage, That’s All Right, Proud Mary, You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me, You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling and Polk Salad Annie. Do you know if the show was filmed from beginning to end with matching sound ? If not, do you know how much was actually filmed and who possibly owns that footage ?

JOE: .It sounds like you have been doing your homework. This is exactly correct. I think there may be around 30 or 40 minutes of the show with matching sound. The sound quality is not the greatest but is passable. I really can’t comment on who owns it.

I recall the ABC TV show "20/20" also had several shows with segments on Elvis from 1979 into the late 80s and many times they had a 25-30 second clip from MSG they used in the segments. Everytime I saw them I wondered where they were getting this pro-footage from and how they got it.

[Getlo]

For what it's worth (and I'd suggest it's worth a lot) but over on FECC, Ger Rijff confirmed that, after an extensive search, no professional footage was found in either of the vaults in New York or Indianapolis.

[KPM]

He's being pretentious, and trying to be clever, that's why.

Oh, but it's aaaaaaaaart, darling, doncha know?!
Well its not my cup of tea-but If it appeals to others (and it must because he has won awards and made these films for over 40 years) He must enjoy making them and anyone who can make a successful living and still enjoy themselves I say more power to them.

[Unique Dog]

Charlie didn't really say much at all in his books to be very honest.

The stories he told were nice. He didn`t have a bad word to say about anyone.

[Kris P]

What do you guys make of this camera, from MSG.............to me it looks like a video camera providing a feed to a monitor, possibly.
Just seems to me to be an unusual place to locate a security/monitor camera.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4200/msg245lh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Joe Car]

What do you guys make of this camera, from MSG.............to me it looks like a video camera providing a feed to a monitor, possibly.
Just seems to me to be an unusual place to locate a security/monitor camera.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4200/msg245lh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stunning shot Kris, welcome aboard btw!(y)

[Getlo]

What do you guys make of this camera, from MSG.............to me it looks like a video camera providing a feed to a monitor, possibly. Just seems to me to be an unusual place to locate a security/monitor camera.


Whatever it is, it is not a camera from a professional crew.

[Kris P]

And 16mm is not professional.



Elvis On Tour was shot on 16mm, as most likely was the KNBC Vegas footage, ie. with 16mm being the norm for 'on location' newscasts of the day.

[Kris P]

Stunning shot Kris, welcome aboard btw!(y)


A pleasure, Joe............and thank you for your welcome, it's a pleasure to be here!

[Getlo]

Elvis On Tour was shot on 16mm, as most likely was the KNBC Vegas footage, ie. with 16mm being the norm for 'on location' newscasts of the day.

I'm talking about 16mm fan-shot footage, if there's any. Unless it's filmed by MGM etc, then it's not professional.

[Sonny]

No fan would have been allowed to put up that camera in the pic!

And all known fan footage from those days is 8mm.

[Getlo]

No fan would have been allowed to put up that camera in the pic!

And all known fan footage from those days is 8mm.

Indeed, Sonny. You'd think after 35 years there'd be at least one second of "pro shot" MSG stuff out there if it existed?

But there's not ... because only fans who were lucky enough to be there (and devious enough to sneak a camera in!) ever got any of the shows on video/film.

I'd suggest the camera in the pic (if it actually is a camera of course!) was an in-house thing ... maybe a video feed to the lighting people, or somewhere else. I'd also suggest that it was not a camera capable of recording anything permanently; it's a feeder camera, nothing more.

[Sonny]

I am with you on that Getlo, since it sure doesn't look like a type of camera they used back then.

Then again, it is very close to the stage and therefor could be a so called feeder camera. But, let's be honest, we never see these kinda things on any shots from other shows. If they were around often, we would have spotted em on more pics, right?

[Getlo]

Then again, it is very close to the stage and therefor could be a so called feeder camera. But, let's be honest, we never see these kinda things on any shots from other shows. If they were around often, we would have spotted em on more pics, right?

You'd think so, yes.

And, as I said, none of the newspaper reviews (other than of that which we know were filmed by MGM or CBS) even slightly hints at cameras of any sort being present.

[omnipresence]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this footage shot by a TV crew at the opening show. Unless I havent read all posts in enough detail. This has been out on DVD for years now so I cant understand why its been overlooked!
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x236/devilsandthedetails/ELVISSHOT.jpg

[Getlo]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this footage shot by a TV crew at the opening show. Unless I havent read all posts in enough detail. This has been out on DVD for years now so I cant understand why its been overlooked!

Because it's fan-shot home movie footage, not from a TV station.

(I think part of it was included on the George Klein My Memories Of Elvis video from some years back ... ? Or whatever the title was ... )

See the footage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sThhBPhl8bA

June 9th show. There is no matching sound for this.

Oh, and welcome, btw! :D

[elvis himselvis]

Getlo is right,that's not pro footage.
I've seen that picture a while ago too,but I thought it wasn't from MSG,but from Boston...

[omnipresence]

I think you'll find it is pro footage and it is by a TV station. The origional footage has sound. We have 6mins30 available which is much more than on the link. If you look around and research in a bit more detail you'll get a long way.
You'll also see it is available on HSACC 1 by Joe Tunzi and is listed as PRO footage. I think I'll go with what Tunzi has to say at the moment. The link you posted is simply lifted off that DVD.

[thehillbillycat]

Because it's fan-shot home movie footage, not from a TV station.

(I think part of it was included on the George Klein My Memories Of Elvis video from some years back ... ? Or whatever the title was ... )

See the footage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sThhBPhl8bA

June 9th show. There is no matching sound for this.

Oh, and welcome, btw! :D


That footage was shot by ABC and it has sound with it. It is hard to find it with the original sound. But the footage was filmed by ABC. It is told in alot of books including Elvis Day By Day. Also, EPE has even confirmed that the footage was filmed By ABC and not a fan. The footage last for 6 minutes and 32 seconds. Also, ABC even showed it earlier this year marking the death anniversary saying that ABC was one of the lucky few stations to film Elvis at MSG.

[Getlo]

That footage was shot by ABC and it has sound with it. It is hard to find it with the original sound. But the footage was filmed by ABC. It is told in alot of books including Elvis Day By Day.

I don't know to which Day By Day you refer, but it's not listed in either of the versions I have ...

[Joe Car]

What's a bigger sin in my opinion, is why his return to live concerts in Vegas of 69 wasn't pro-shot, even the press conference at least.

[Getlo]

What's a bigger sin in my opinion, is why his return to live concerts in Vegas of 69 wasn't pro-shot, even the press conference at least.

I know! What a waste!!!

Even if they hadn't planned on it, surely a few days into the engagement (and the press/critic/fan response) should have told them it was worth bringing in some cameras.

A crying shame.

[Getlo]

Also, EPE has even confirmed that the footage was filmed By ABC and not a fan.

Your source for this, please?

[thehillbillycat]

Your source for this, please?


Source: about 50 books. Also, sometimes at Graceland they would showed that video and it says the Video is used by permission from ABC. Please, read about Madison Square Garden in Elvis Day By Day. I quote "About 6 minutes worth was shot was ABC and is the only known footage of Elvis filmed by a TV crew. Other footage may exist."
Also, even a site that you posted on here: www.msg1972.com (http://www.msg1972.com) which tells what you need to know about MSG. Go to this link http://www.msg1972.com/Excerpts.htm and find the following:

http://www.msg1972.com/pictures/screen_media/abc-footage1.jpg
http://www.msg1972.com/pictures/screen_media/abc-footage2.jpg
June the 9th 1972(ABC) (http://www.msg1972.com/pic%60s/media/ABC_MSG.rm)
June the 9th 1972(ABC) (http://www.msg1972.com/pic%60s/media/ABC_MSG2.rm)
contains 10 sec
contains 19 sec
no Audio
no Audio


Again, for some reason they have the no sound one but I have the one with sound on three dvds that I have but the sound is bad on it. But on six other DVDs I have it has no sound to it. Also, on the same site is the following when reading abotu Footage Review " With the footage mentioned last, it does not concern the usual 8mm-Material, but these are obviously moderate copies of the material filmed at that time by ABC." On the same site again, it tells about all the DVDs with MSG footage on them. On Bob Heis Video it says: MSG Opening Night (ABC).


That is my source as I have provided on the site that you yourself has posted on this thread. So it was filmed by ABC and by your own words which I am quoting: "If MGM or CBS or a local TV crew didn't film a show ... then it is not professional footage!" So that means that MSG filmed by ABC is professional footage going by your own words.

[Getlo]

Source: about 50 books. Also, sometimes at Graceland they would showed that video and it says the Video is used by permission from ABC. Please, read about Madison Square Garden in Elvis Day By Day. I quote "About 6 minutes worth was shot was ABC and is the only known footage of Elvis filmed by a TV crew. Other footage may exist."



Fifty books? Hardly.

And which version of Day By Day are you referencing?

And I never said www.msg1972.com was without flaws ...

[thehillbillycat]

Fifty books? Hardly.

And which version of Day By Day are you referencing?

And I never said www.msg1972.com (http://www.msg1972.com) was without flaws ...


Fifty Books is about right which all are not Elvis. About ten are books by ABC and their history and footage they filmed over the years. These are the same books but different titles or different covers with the same title. Page 130 is Elvis MSG.
Other books tells about concerts of different musicians, other books is about ABC company, some are on MSG itself, some are Elvis which tells about that footage. They all say the same thing. Filmed by ABC.

My Elvis Day By Day Book came out about three years ago and goes from when Elvis first started his career to the day he died. It includes the listing of his August and September dates to about 1985 with various releases. It tells about the MSG concerts with the suits that he wore, the footage of the press conference and the footage filmed by ABC. And about the MSG site, I would say to much about what you said over on FECC. They discuss that footage over there and they all said it was filmed by ABC.

[Getlo]

And about the MSG site, I would say to much about what you said over on FECC. They discuss that footage over there and they all said it was filmed by ABC.

I am registered on FECC, but I have never posted there. I have been reading that pro-shot thread with great interest though.

My version of Guralnick's Day By Day (the latest one) makes no mention of MSG being filmed by a TV crew.

[thehillbillycat]

I am registered on FECC, but I have never posted there. I have been reading that pro-shot thread with great interest though.

My version of Guralnick's Day By Day (the latest one) makes no mention of MSG being filmed by a TV crew.


That is not the book I have. Also, the one you have is not the best book in the world either. Alot of mistakes are in that book. My book only has a few mistakes in it but that is of misspelled words and that is it.

My mentions in the porfessional footage that was filmed by MGM and the footage of 68, Aloha, and EIC and where they was filmed at in the back of the book. For Elvis On Tour, it lists Jacksonville, FL as being filmed but only the evening show.

As for TTWII, we truely don't know what was filmed and what wasn't. August 15 show was filmed so you forgot that on your list since it is on the Volume 11 DVD of the outtakes with dubbed sound to it. MGM was there during the whole seaon of the Vegas engagement so we don't know what was filmed. Also, we don't know what the Hilton filmed either since they had their own camera that records in the showroom. The footage wouldn't be classify by you as professional because it wasn't filmed by a movie company or TV crew. But it is consider as professional footage since it wasn't filmed by using either 16mm or 8mm. It was feed to a video-tape player. What was recorded on that, we will never know that.

MSG site info comes from various sources including some members from FECC. The footage is listed on several documentaries that is based on Elvis as being filmed by ABC. It even says used with permission. ABC shows that footage each time January 8 and August 16 comes around. They even says when showing it "From ABC Vaults" or "ABC footage". Again, why would they say this if it wasn't filmed by ABC?

[Getlo]

For Elvis On Tour, it lists Jacksonville, FL as being filmed but only the evening show.

Well, that's one glaring error right there - Jacksonville was not filmed.


Also, we don't know what the Hilton filmed either since they had their own camera that records in the showroom. What was recorded on that, we will never know that.

There is no evidence to suggest that the Hilton camera, if it did exist, was the type of camera that recorded something permanently. As discussed elsewhere, it may have been a non-recording video link from the stage to the dressing room, similar to CCTV, that was never kept.

[Getlo]

As for TTWII, we truely don't know what was filmed and what wasn't. August 15 show was filmed so you forgot that on your list since it is on the Volume 11 DVD of the outtakes

I did not include this date on the list, as only the suppliers of these DVDs (which I have) say that the footage (with no sound) is from the 15th. And suppliers of some compilation DVDs as well.

Other sources, eg the Sessions books etc do not list the 15th. I may be wrong, but I'll go with those for now.

[omnipresence]

Well, that's one glaring error right there - Jacksonville was not filmed. YES IT WAS!



There is no evidence to suggest that the Hilton camera, if it did exist, was the type of camera that recorded something permanently. As discussed elsewhere, it may have been a non-recording video link from the stage to the dressing room, similar to CCTV, that was never kept.

Why dont you take a look at this qoute from the import CD booklet Let It be me?
There were a few shows we ended up in the balcony looking at a huge camera in the centre of the balcony, sometimes manned, sometimes not - will we ever see any film one day from that season? Your geuss is as good as mine - but i do know for a fact that some film was shot.

[thehillbillycat]

I did not include this date on the list, as only the suppliers of these DVDs (which I have) say that the footage (with no sound) is from the 15th. And suppliers of some compilation DVDs as well.

Other sources, eg the Sessions books etc do not list the 15th. I may be wrong, but I'll go with those for now.


Sessions books has alot of mistakes in them so I wouldn't go by those books. Elvis Day By Day lists the 15th. Also, by the other dates contains a question mark by them because we don't know what is available in those outtakes. As for the camera. Staff members who used to work at the Hilton has said over the years there was one there hanging from the ceiling and it did record too. I know a person who used to work there from 1969 to 1983. He can comfirmed this because he used to run it. The camera is mentioned in several import release booklets including Let It Be Me that omnipresence just quoted. Also, footage of other people concerts there during 1973 to 1974 you can see the camera clear as day.

[rocknroll]

All this arguing over a possible 6 minutes of poor quality, no sound footage at MSG shot by ABC??? 6 frigin' minutes!?!?! I'd rather watch paint dry.

[Getlo]

Why dont you take a look at this qoute from the import CD booklet Let It be me?
There were a few shows we ended up in the balcony looking at a huge camera in the centre of the balcony, sometimes manned, sometimes not - will we ever see any film one day from that season? Your geuss is as good as mine - but i do know for a fact that some film was shot.

None of which goes to support your belief that Jacksonville was filmed. What is your evidence for such a claim, when all reliable sources have only four shows being filmed, none from Jacksonville (aside from some limo and hotel footage of course).

[Getlo]

That is not the book I have. Also, the one you have is not the best book in the world either.

If you're talking about the Cotten version of Day By Day, then I beg to differ. Unless there's a third book with this title?

[Sonny]

Concerning the Vegas 14th, 1970 midnight show, though you can hear Elvis mentioning cameras on Polk Salad Annie if I remember correctly. To my knowledge only audience footage was shot there, so goes the story anyway.

To be honest I never really believed that, since it was one of the better concerts from that season!

Sonny

[thehillbillycat]

None of which goes to support your belief that Jacksonville was filmed. What is your evidence for such a claim, when all reliable sources have only four shows being filmed, none from Jacksonville (aside from some limo and hotel footage of course).


Elvis Day By Day says that Jacksonville was filmed. Also, four shows. That is also wrong. Buffalo (1), Hampton Roads AS (2), Hampton Roads ES (3), Richmond (4), Greensboro (5), Jacksonville ES (6), and San Antonion (7). That is going by Elvis Day By Day book that is in my hands right now.

[thehillbillycat]

If you're talking about the Cotten version of Day By Day, then I beg to differ. Unless there's a third book with this title?

There is five book titles to Elvis Day By Day. Three of them has mistakes throughout the books and Cotten is one of them.

[thehillbillycat]

Also, Detroit was also filmed but it is not mentioned in the books. I don't know why it is not listed. And if you want proof of that, watch See See Rider on Elvis Through My Eyes Disc 1 and watch the band members outfits change colors from Light Blue to a Dark Color. So that means 8 shows filmed. Band Members dark color suits at the San Antonio concert while wore a light bluish color at Detroit.

Now, that has been discussed on here and also on FECC and the same answer came up. See See Rider is a mixture of San Antonio and Detroit.

[Matt]

The film from the airport in Inday on June 26, 1977 looks pro shot to me. What really blew me away was when more of this surfaced a year or so ago. Showing Todd Slaughter talking to Elvis. Really cool. Though I must admit on one of the dvds it was on was a downer because the quality sucked but luckily I have been able to locate alot better footage of that now

[Getlo]

The film from the airport in Inday on June 26, 1977 looks pro shot to me. What really blew me away was when more of this surfaced a year or so ago.

Yes, it was filmed by CBS. But they did not film the Indy show. That footage has been around for longer than a year, too.

[Getlo]

Elvis Day By Day says that Jacksonville was filmed. Also, four shows. That is also wrong. Buffalo (1), Hampton Roads AS (2), Hampton Roads ES (3), Richmond (4), Greensboro (5), Jacksonville ES (6), and San Antonion (7). That is going by Elvis Day By Day book that is in my hands right now.

I'd still rather trust the other lists than speculation in books.

[Getlo]

Also, Detroit was also filmed but it is not mentioned in the books. I don't know why it is not listed. And if you want proof of that, watch See See Rider on Elvis Through My Eyes Disc 1 and watch the band members outfits change colors from Light Blue to a Dark Color. So that means 8 shows filmed. Band Members dark color suits at the San Antonio concert while wore a light bluish color at Detroit.

Now, that has been discussed on here and also on FECC and the same answer came up. See See Rider is a mixture of San Antonio and Detroit.

Hmmm ... or could it be that the lists we have of what costumes Elvis wore are inaccurate? ;)

As for See See Rider on that DVD, let me ask you if you've considered the fact that the footage only shows one angle (light blue backing groups suits) from Detroit very briefly walking up to the mic stand, then meshes in with San Antonio (dark blue backing suits as seen in On Tour, various angles).

That raises the possibility that Detroit was only filmed with one camera, as like Buffalo. Also, the Detroit one-angle footage is dubbed with sound from San Antonio. So, if it was filmed properly by MGM, why hasn't any footage with sound surfaced over the years - like the footage from all four of the "officially filmed" shows?

The same question applies to the other shows you say were filmed, eg Jacksonville etc. Where is the footage?

For those that haven't seen what Elvislennon is talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=264q2isG1cM

Also, several other locations were filmed backstage, at hotels, in limos etc. The footage here shows Elvis backstage in Detroit (his hair has more of a fringe than when he walks on stage in what we know to be San Antonio); then it shows him walking on stage in San Antonio; then back to Detroit again briefly from one angle (with the little counter at the bottom again) then the San Antonio version of See See Rider.

So it's a distinct possibility that the same one camera in Detroit followed him to the stage and kept filming (the light blue backing suits footage). There is no evidence that Detroit was filmed properly (ie more than this one camera) by MGM - unless there is more footage from other DVDs?

And why is it that the books you are reading are any more correct than the ones I have? All of these reference books have mistakes.

I shall be very interested when the DVD of On Tour eventually comes out, and to see what EPE puts in it.

[Getlo]

Another point (although it's more in relation to audio and video) ... why have only four soundboards surfaced over the years? If other shows were recorded (audio or visual) why have they not surfaced?

LIVE IN VIRGINIA / THE HAMPTON CONCERT (April 9, 1972 ES)
CARRY ME BACK TO OLD VIRGINIA (April 10, 1972 ES)
THE GREENSBORO CONCERT / SWEET CAROLINA (April 14, 1972 ES)
WELCOME IN SAN ANTONE (April 18, 1972 ES)

[thehillbillycat]

Hmmm ... or could it be that the lists we have of what costumes Elvis wore are inaccurate? ;)

As for See See Rider on that DVD, let me ask you if you've considered the fact that the footage only shows one angle (light blue backing groups suits) from Detroit very briefly walking up to the mic stand, then meshes in with San Antonio (dark blue backing suits as seen in On Tour, various angles).

That raises the possibility that Detroit was only filmed with one camera, as like Buffalo. Also, the Detroit one-angle footage is dubbed with sound from San Antonio. So, if it was filmed properly by MGM, why hasn't any footage with sound surfaced over the years - like the footage from all four of the "officially filmed" shows?

The same question applies to the other shows you say were filmed, eg Jacksonville etc. Where is the footage?

For those that haven't seen what Elvislennon is talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=264q2isG1cM

Also, several other locations were filmed backstage, at hotels, in limos etc. The footage here shows Elvis backstage in Detroit (his hair has more of a fringe than when he walks on stage in what we know to be San Antonio); then it shows him walking on stage in San Antonio; then back to Detroit again briefly from one angle (with the little counter at the bottom again) then the San Antonio version of See See Rider.

So it's a distinct possibility that the same one camera in Detroit followed him to the stage and kept filming (the light blue backing suits footage). There is no evidence that Detroit was filmed properly (ie more than this one camera) by MGM - unless there is more footage from other DVDs?

And why is it that the books you are reading are any more correct than the ones I have? All of these reference books have mistakes.

I shall be very interested when the DVD of On Tour eventually comes out, and to see what EPE puts in it.


Their is more than one camera angle. First is when Elvis arrives at the and gets his guitar and so on. That is one angle. The other comes from the edge of the stage. To point this out too, Detrot's Olympia Stadium had a small wall that would of been behind the backup singers. The fans is not to far from that wall. Now, in order for that cameraman to get to that angle he would of had to walked between John and Kathy just like Elvis did to get to that spot. I know some people who went to that show and never remembers a person with a camera doing that.
Any way, you look at it that is professional footage and has to be counted. So it has more than two camera angles. Which I can provide the photos to prove that if you want me to. It has to be counted.
If that isn't professional footage what is it then, I would like to know that? It has MGM's counter on it.

Jacksonville ES is seen on the outtakes that is 8 DVD set but it is only a few seconds worth. Again, that tells that it was filmed professionally. It to has sound dubbed on it, but that has nothing to do with that because it is still professional footage and again has to be counted. Just like August 15, 1970 show from TTWII, that too has to be counted. In the footage he is wearing the fridge suit. Match it up with the other footage and see if they are in sync with each other. I have and guess what they are not. So that means they are from two different shows. You wonder why footage hasn't been release with sound on it. Most of the TTWII footage has no sound with it and the sound had to be dubbed on to it. MGM went they do a concert film, they filmed the show slience and record the audio separate.

But again, Who cares if it has sound to it. Who cares if it has one angle or ten angles to it. The Detroit Concert was filmed professionally, case closed. Buffalo Concert was filmed professionally case closed.

Also, at the beginning of I Got A Woman/Amen. There is another shot from another show added to that one. It might be Buffalo but I am not for sure though. Anyone, what was the color that the Band Members were wearing?
In the footage it is white suits. But at Hampton Roads they wore dark color suits.

About, the audio for the imports. Those are the MGM sound tapes for Elvis On Tour which comes fro Elvis' sound engineer. Those are owned by MGM. So they are in the Salt Mine in Kansas. So that means the others are their too. Now, if you want to look through the millions of reels in the salt mine. Be my guest........:lmfao: I am not doing it and neither is anybody else unless they get paid for doing it. Just because they haven't been release you don't think they exists. MGM keeps tight on what is release and what is not release.

EPE has nothing to do with Elvis On Tour at all. That is MGM's movie. They have no say so. So that means don't get you hopes up on outtakes being release because that might not happen at all. That has been discussed on here and FECC and the same thing is said.

[Matt]

Yes, it was filmed by CBS. But they did not film the Indy show. That footage has been around for longer than a year, too.

I know it's been around for longer than a year, considering this particular footage was aired originally in the united kingdom back in the 70's when it originally aired there. Where is the proof that the last show wasn't filmed professionally? I don't see anymore proof that it wasn't filmed just like I don't see the proof that it was filmed. Where are you getting your information from? Or is it just speculation?

[Getlo]

Where is the proof that the last show wasn't filmed professionally?

Where is the proof that it was?

Ger Rijff himself confirmed what a CBS executive told him, when Ger attended the Indy show. Yes, they filmed crowd scenes and Elvis arriving at the airport. No, they did not film the actual show.

So, any issues ... take it up with Mr Rijff.

And in the Indy fan-shot footage ... are there any CBS lights? Any cameramen running around? Is Elvis wearing TV makeup?

No, on all three counts.

[Getlo]

Their is more than one camera angle. First is when Elvis arrives at the and gets his guitar and so on. That is one angle. The other comes from the edge of the stage.

I've just looked at the footage again (from the YouTube link I posted) ... I see one angle while rabbing the mic stand, then - a little while later - a shot from farther forward on the stage, presumably taken by the same camera.

Also, I see no other cameras in front or to the side of Elvis as he comes out during the Detroit footage.

Can't wait for EOT on DVD. (y)

And yes, you've said a thousand times that EPE does not own the footage to On Tour. We know that. But they are the ones who are going to have input when it finally does get a release.

[Getlo]

Also, at the beginning of I Got A Woman/Amen. There is another shot from another show added to that one.

You mean in the movie itself?

[omnipresence]

I'd still rather trust the other lists than speculation in books.
We have allready seen footage from all these shows. Since you say Jacksonville dosent count because it's limo footage I'll remove it. Either way we have at least 5.
1 Hampton Roads
2 Greensboro
3 Buffallo
4 Detroit
5 Richmond

[Getlo]

I might add Hampton Roads AS to the list as well (Burning Love suit; kissing the woman with the ghastly blonde high hair - at least this bit was filmed).

For what it's worth, Joe Tunzi (;)) said:

"The footage from many of the cities on the April ‘72 tour was done strictly on assignment, whereas someone from the production of the film was sent with a camera to film something the producer was looking for, whether that be something as mundane as a city limits sign along the highway, interviewing a local mayor in Roanoke, entering the stage or leaving the stage, Elvis dropping down on one knee or even holding up a pair of women’s panties while on stage. A prime example of this is the sign outside the T.H. Barton Coliseum in Little Rock, Arkansas was shot but the show wasn’t shot. These clips were added to the shows where a good majority of the show was filmed and recorded (Hampton Roads, Richmond, Greensboro and San Antonio) to fully illustrate a sense of Elvis going from city to city."

And (on a previous tangent):

"I’ve heard the rumor about this being filmed and it continually gets repeated but I seriously doubt that Boston (1971) was filmed professionally. Also, is this actually professional footage or is it merely amateur footage shot by an audience member. I have come to the conclusion that at the Madison Square Garden press conference when Elvis was asked about this, the person who posed the question simply meant to say Buffalo instead of Boston, which makes more sense since cameras were in Buffalo at the beginning of the April ‘72 tour which filmed Elvis rehearsing."

[Getlo]

1 Hampton Roads
2 Greensboro
3 Buffalo - brief ten-second karate sequence only; filmed with Robert Abel's Sony camera. Also shown in This Is Elvis.
4 Detroit - you mean San Antonio; Detroit was not in the final film.
5 Richmond


..........

[omnipresence]

Actually there's more than that, the Karate segment is the only part that was released on the film. Besides even if it was it should still count. It is pro fooage by MGM. Yeah I mean San Antonio I was writing a longer list with limo footage etc but I forgot to change Detroit for San Antonio. Because we only have a short amount of footage of Detroit I perfectly understand your hesitation in accepting it as footage from this particular show.

[Getlo]

Actually there's more than that, the Karate segment is the only part that was released on the film. Besides even if it was it should still count. It is pro fooage by MGM.

I assumed he meant the actual final film. Again, we're going around in circles here, but it was Abel filming that show for himself, with his own camera.

[omnipresence]

I understood that it was to show camera men of how Elvis performed on stage as communication would be near impossible during filming. Maybe he made a copy for his own personall use, who knows:)

[Getlo]

I understood that it was to show camera men of how Elvis performed on stage as communication would be near impossible during filming.

It was. And to give Adidge and Abel and idea of what was to come when they started filming for real ... with MGM cameras. And nobody has any idea if the whole of Buffalo was filmed, or how much footage is left. There is no reason to assume the footage went to MGM, because it wasn't really there's in the first place, if you follow me.


Maybe he made a copy for his own personall use, who knows:)

We can only hope so ...

[omnipresence]

Well I know that a minimum of 25 mins was filmed so there's hope!

[thehillbillycat]

You mean in the movie itself?

Exactly, Or watch Through My Eyes which also comes from Elvis On Tour. You can make out white pants on John. The band members wore black.

Here is a photo from Elvis On Tour movie just before I Got A Woman. Band Members are wearing white.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_034.jpg

So when looking at the footage on This is Elvis, Buffalo is out since the band was wearing black their or then unlessthe footage from This Is Elvis could be from Hampton which I doubt. So that leaves: Knoxsville, TN and Indianapolis, IN. Be the judge. See yourself. Don't say that only four shows was recorded. The whole tour could have been record but not full shows. We will never know what was filmed and what wasn't filmed.

As for San Antonio, See See Rider seen on the DVD Through My Eyes has two camera angles in it from Detroit.

Camera Angle 1: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_032.jpg

Camera Angle 2:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_033.jpg


As for the MSG photo with the camera. Please take a look at this from Richmond. Funny, looks like the same camera to me. Also, that same type of camera is seen in Hampton Roads, Greensboro, and San Antonio.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_035.jpg

[omnipresence]

Exactly, Or watch Through My Eyes which also comes from Elvis On Tour. You can make out white pants on John. The band members wore black.

Here is a photo from Elvis On Tour movie just before I Got A Woman. Band Members are wearing white.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_034.jpg

So when looking at the footage on This is Elvis, Buffalo is out since the band was wearing black their or then unlessthe footage from This Is Elvis could be from Hampton which I doubt. So that leaves: Knoxsville, TN and Indianapolis, IN. Be the judge. See yourself. Don't say that only four shows was recorded. The whole tour could have been record but not full shows. We will never know what was filmed and what wasn't filmed.

As for San Antonio, See See Rider seen on the DVD Through My Eyes has two camera angles in it from Detroit.

Camera Angle 1: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_032.jpg

Camera Angle 2:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_033.jpg


As for the MSG photo with the camera. Please take a look at this from Richmond. Funny, looks like the same camera to me. Also, that same type of camera is seen in Hampton Roads, Greensboro, and San Antonio.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c75/nonnelsivle/PDVD_035.jpg
Precisely, I couldnt have said it better myself. I think we're really getting somewhere.:D

[thehillbillycat]

Precisely, I couldnt have said it better myself. I think we're really getting somewhere.:D

Well, I think that there is more footage of Elvis out there. MGM has more than what is release on the boot DVDs. Elvis On Tour is the same way.

Getlo - There is no 100% guaranteed that only the shows of Buffalo, Detroit, Hampton Roads (AS & ES), Richmond, Greensboro, or San Antonio was the only ones that was film. I wouldn't bet my life on it and I bet most of the members on here wouldn't bet their life either.

[KPM]

Hmmm ... or could it be that the lists we have of what costumes Elvis wore are inaccurate? ;)

As for See See Rider on that DVD, let me ask you if you've considered the fact that the footage only shows one angle (light blue backing groups suits) from Detroit very briefly walking up to the mic stand, then meshes in with San Antonio (dark blue backing suits as seen in On Tour, various angles).

That raises the possibility that Detroit was only filmed with one camera, as like Buffalo. Also, the Detroit one-angle footage is dubbed with sound from San Antonio. So, if it was filmed properly by MGM, why hasn't any footage with sound surfaced over the years - like the footage from all four of the "officially filmed" shows?

The same question applies to the other shows you say were filmed, eg Jacksonville etc. Where is the footage?

For those that haven't seen what Elvislennon is talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=264q2isG1cM

Also, several other locations were filmed backstage, at hotels, in limos etc. The footage here shows Elvis backstage in Detroit (his hair has more of a fringe than when he walks on stage in what we know to be San Antonio); then it shows him walking on stage in San Antonio; then back to Detroit again briefly from one angle (with the little counter at the bottom again) then the San Antonio version of See See Rider.

So it's a distinct possibility that the same one camera in Detroit followed him to the stage and kept filming (the light blue backing suits footage). There is no evidence that Detroit was filmed properly (ie more than this one camera) by MGM - unless there is more footage from other DVDs?

And why is it that the books you are reading are any more correct than the ones I have? All of these reference books have mistakes.
I shall be very interested when the DVD of On Tour eventually comes out, and to see what EPE puts in it.
Good point-thats exactly why I never say never.

[KPM]

Whatever it is, it is not a camera from a professional crew.
Joe Tunzi was questioned about this photo (it was in one of his books) and the camera in an interview:
its from the same interview I posted earlier where he states there is 30 or so minutes of pro footage from MSG.

Q- In your excellent book "Elvis- Encore Performance II" on page 73 we can see a camera on the stage mounted on a tripod. Do you know if this camera could be related in some manners to the previous question on the footage filmed at the opening show at Madison Square Garden ?

JOE: I believe that camera was for security purposes so they could monitor the show. It isn't related at all to the aforementioned footage.

[KPM]

Fifty Books is about right which all are not Elvis. About ten are books by ABC and their history and footage they filmed over the years. These are the same books but different titles or different covers with the same title. Page 130 is Elvis MSG.
Other books tells about concerts of different musicians, other books is about ABC company, some are on MSG itself, some are Elvis which tells about that footage. They all say the same thing. Filmed by ABC.
My Elvis Day By Day Book came out about three years ago and goes from when Elvis first started his career to the day he died. It includes the listing of his August and September dates to about 1985 with various releases. It tells about the MSG concerts with the suits that he wore, the footage of the press conference and the footage filmed by ABC. And about the MSG site, I would say to much about what you said over on FECC. They discuss that footage over there and they all said it was filmed by ABC.
I am also curious about this other "Day by Day" book-who published it and who are the authors? I know of only one "Day by Day" the one written by Guralnick and Jorgensen.

[KPM]

All this arguing over a possible 6 minutes of poor quality, no sound footage at MSG shot by ABC??? 6 frigin' minutes!?!?! I'd rather watch paint dry.
ABC did not just record 6 minutes-it is suppose to be from the shows start to a little after "Polk Salad Annie" Heres the same question and answer with Joe Tunzi that I have now posted 3 times in the last 2 years.

Q-We know that some professional footage was done at the opening show of Madison Square Garden on June 9th 1972. Some portions of this footage has been used on different projects but always heavily edited and without Elvis’ vocal. Three years ago Dateline NBC used a short sequence for the first time with the original sound of Elvis performing "Polk Salad Annie". According to the different footages partly used on different projects and/or on T.V., they have filmed at least the following: the crowd before the show starts, The Sweet Inspirations, Elvis entering the stage, That’s All Right, Proud Mary, You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me, You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling and Polk Salad Annie. Do you know if the show was filmed from beginning to end with matching sound ? If not, do you know how much was actually filmed and who possibly owns that footage ?

JOE: .It sounds like you have been doing your homework. This is exactly correct. I think there may be around 30 or 40 minutes of the show with matching sound. The sound quality is not the greatest but is passable. I really can’t comment on who owns it.

[Getlo]

As for San Antonio, See See Rider seen on the DVD Through My Eyes has two camera angles in it from Detroit.

Sorry, but that was my point as couple of posts back. These two Detroit pics could easily have been taken by the same camera - there was enough time for the cameraman to move from near the stage where Elvis walked out, to where the second pic was taken - still from the left, but farther forward.

It is possible, you have to admit that. ;)

[Getlo]

I am also curious about this other "Day by Day" book-who published it and who are the authors? I know of only one "Day by Day" the one written by Guralnick and Jorgensen.

All Shook Up (Elvis Day By Day) by Lee Cotton has become known as Day By Day. But I suppose since Guralnick's work, we should go back to calling it All Shook Up.

But someone said there were five books with this title?!

[Kris P]

Joe Tunzi was questioned about this photo (it was in one of his books) and the camera in an interview:
its from the same interview I posted earlier where he states there is 30 or so minutes of pro footage from MSG.

Q- In your excellent book "Elvis- Encore Performance II" on page 73 we can see a camera on the stage mounted on a tripod. Do you know if this camera could be related in some manners to the previous question on the footage filmed at the opening show at Madison Square Garden ?

JOE: I believe that camera was for security purposes so they could monitor the show. It isn't related at all to the aforementioned footage.

Thanks for the info, KPM.

[stefankoch]

It was just before he died I met and spoke with him

Are you sure? :D ( just kidding)

[Getlo]

Okay, so it's been said that a lot of this stuff is coming out in 2008?

Mark my words here and now ...

It is December 7th here in Australia.

I'll bet that when we come back here on December 7th, 2008 ... one full year from now ... none of this supposed footage will have seen the light of day.

And now it's almost April, and still nothing.

ChrstianM et al ... anything yet?? ;)

[rhythmknights]

And now it's almost April, and still nothing.

ChrstianM et al ... anything yet?? ;)

:lmfao::lmfao: Getlo, you should get one of those ticker/countdown banners - and i'll be holding my breath right alongside - uh-oh---i'm getting lightheaded

[Getlo]

Okay, so it's been said that a lot of this stuff is coming out in 2008?

Mark my words here and now ...

It is December 7th here in Australia.

I'll bet that when we come back here on December 7th, 2008 ... one full year from now ... none of this supposed footage will have seen the light of day.


And now it's almost April, and still nothing.

ChrstianM et al ... anything yet?? ;)

So, just four months to go until December 7th ... and still no sign of all this supposedly pro footage coming out. What a surprise ... not!

I notice those people shouting and bleating about this amazing (northern) summer release of footage (... something that was going to put all us doubters in our place! ...) have been silent these past few months.

Still, I'm prepared to be surprised. If it's out there, I say bring this pro stuff ON! :rolleyes:

[Unchained Melody]

I just hope if we ever to get a boxset of the EOT footage that we get these following shows...this would make for the ultimate set having all of these shows complete....a friggin' Christmas for jumpsuit Junkies...(y)


1 Hampton Roads
2 Greensboro
3 Buffalo
4 San Antonio
5 Richmond

I guess for now until Warner decides to release the ultimate EOT dvdset then we can hope for more unseen outtakes to surface on the the bootleg markey!

[Getlo]

3 Buffalo

Buffalo was only filmed with a hand-held camera, (no sound) and not all the show was filmed anyway.

Still, if EOT ever did come out (which it won't) it would be nice if the footage was included if it still exists.

[Unchained Melody]

Buffalo was only filmed with a hand-held camera, (no sound) and not all the show was filmed anyway.

Still, if EOT ever did come out (which it won't) it would be nice if the footage was included if it still exists.

I agree Getlo. I like to be on the optimistic side and think at some point it will get the treatment it deserves...times a tickin' though.

And it definitley would be nice to have the footage from Buffalo!!;)

[KPM]

Found this on the net:

Elvis started this tour very well in Buffalo and 'magic' in this show is Elvis's mesmerizing performance of 'UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO' video footage of this show shows Elvis looking fine in his light blue jumpsuit. This is the show where Pierre Adidge looked on as a woman ran down the aisle at the stage like a missile! ending up in the drums just missing Elvis!. Elvis on tour sure holds a lot of excitement!.


Buffalo, NY, April 5, 1972
Abel and Adidge interviewed Elvis in a 2 hour recorded interview and Elvis's voice over during 'ON TOUR' (until id-72 still under the working title of 'STANDING ROOM ONLY' - of which RCA had also gone so far to do a 'mock up' album cover! for the Jan/Feb engagement recordings not now released) Elvis's voice DOES give 'ON TOUR' that PERSONNEL touch! mainly however in 1972 Elvis LOVED Las Vegas - would you believe THREE MONTHS spent there by Elvis in 1972 alone-incredible, just about his 2nd home

Many more shows were filmed than we will probably fully known, some are incomplete shows only and some just silent film, some were just photographed such as the much published Jacksonville 16.4.72 A/S photos on the cover RCA Madison Square Garden L.P. and the Aloha from Hawaii L.P. covers. However it is well documented that Elvis 'ON TOUR' is made up from the following shows.


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5.4.72 Buffalo light blue jumpsuit
9.4.72 E/S Hampton Roads light blue jumpsuit
10.4.72 Richmond Red jumpsuit
14.4.72 Greensboro dark blue jumpsuit
18.4.72 San Antonio white jumpsuit

[Getlo]

Elvis's voice DOES give 'ON TOUR' that PERSONNEL touch!

Personal touch ...


However it is well documented that Elvis 'ON TOUR' is made up from the following shows.
5.4.72 Buffalo light blue jumpsuit
9.4.72 E/S Hampton Roads light blue jumpsuit
10.4.72 Richmond Red jumpsuit
14.4.72 Greensboro dark blue jumpsuit
18.4.72 San Antonio white jumpsuit

Incorrectly documented. The only stuff from Buffalo in EOT and This Is Elvis is from Abel's hand-held camera.

[Unchained Melody]

Found this on the net:

Elvis started this tour very well in Buffalo and 'magic' in this show is Elvis's mesmerizing performance of 'UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO' video footage of this show shows Elvis looking fine in his light blue jumpsuit. This is the show where Pierre Adidge looked on as a woman ran down the aisle at the stage like a missile! ending up in the drums just missing Elvis!. Elvis on tour sure holds a lot of excitement!.


Buffalo, NY, April 5, 1972
Abel and Adidge interviewed Elvis in a 2 hour recorded interview and Elvis's voice over during 'ON TOUR' (until id-72 still under the working title of 'STANDING ROOM ONLY' - of which RCA had also gone so far to do a 'mock up' album cover! for the Jan/Feb engagement recordings not now released) Elvis's voice DOES give 'ON TOUR' that PERSONNEL touch! mainly however in 1972 Elvis LOVED Las Vegas - would you believe THREE MONTHS spent there by Elvis in 1972 alone-incredible, just about his 2nd home

Many more shows were filmed than we will probably fully known, some are incomplete shows only and some just silent film, some were just photographed such as the much published Jacksonville 16.4.72 A/S photos on the cover RCA Madison Square Garden L.P. and the Aloha from Hawaii L.P. covers. However it is well documented that Elvis 'ON TOUR' is made up from the following shows.


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5.4.72 Buffalo light blue jumpsuit
9.4.72 E/S Hampton Roads light blue jumpsuit
10.4.72 Richmond Red jumpsuit
14.4.72 Greensboro dark blue jumpsuit
18.4.72 San Antonio white jumpsuit

Thanks for the post Ken...thats five concerts right there we could have...:supriced:(y)(y)

[thehillbillycat]

Many more shows were filmed than we will probably fully known, some are incomplete shows only and some just silent film, some were just photographed such as the much published Jacksonville 16.4.72 A/S photos on the cover RCA Madison Square Garden L.P. and the Aloha from Hawaii L.P. covers. However it is well documented that Elvis 'ON TOUR' is made up from the following shows.

5.4.72 Buffalo light blue jumpsuit
9.4.72 E/S Hampton Roads light blue jumpsuit
10.4.72 Richmond Red jumpsuit
14.4.72 Greensboro dark blue jumpsuit
18.4.72 San Antonio white jumpsuit


Buffalo was not seen in Elvis On Tour but in This Is Elvis.

It is also been pointed out by several fans that Elvis On Tour is made up by several more dates here and there like:

April 12, 1972 - Indianapolis (only a few seconds is seen in Elvis On Tour. The scene is right before I Got A Woman when Elvis is on stage. John pants leg is white and this was the only date that the band members wore white while Elvis wore that jumpsuit.)

[KPM]

]Personal touch ...[/B]



Incorrectly documented. The only stuff from Buffalo in EOT and This Is Elvis is from Abel's hand-held camera.
A simple spelling mistake for which I apologise if it offended you;)

[KPM]

Incorrectly documented. The only stuff from Buffalo in EOT and This Is Elvis is from Abel's hand-held camera.[/QUOTE]
Once again Abel is a professional film maker and he recorded the show-so if the show was filmed by him IMO it was professinally filmed and I would love to see it. If it was only a Sony handheld camera-fine.
Also according to the IMBD movie site here is the locations where most of the filming was done:
Filming locations for
Elvis on Tour (1972)advertisement photos board trailer details

Buffalo, New York, USA


Greensboro, North Carolina, USA


Hampton Roads, Virginia, USA


Jacksonville, Florida, USA


Richmond, Virginia, USA


San Antonio, Texas, USA

[Getlo]

So, just four months to go until December 7th ... and still no sign of all this supposedly pro footage coming out. What a surprise ... not!

I notice those people shouting and bleating about this amazing (northern) summer release of footage (... something that was going to put all us doubters in our place! ...) have been silent these past few months.

Still, I'm prepared to be surprised. If it's out there, I say bring this pro stuff ON! :rolleyes:

Well, here we are again.

December 7th has come and gone, and whaddaya know?

Still no pro footage released!

Again, where are all the people who raved on about the "huge release" coming in the northern summer? They can't have been referring to the Way It Is boxed set.

As if any further proof were needed, most/all of the references on specialist websites and lists mentioning professional footage being in "private hands" are complete BS, and it is time this sort of myth-making was stopped altogether.

The only pro footage is from Way It Is, On Tour, Aloha and In Concert, along with a few songs from Japanese TV from Hawaii 1972 and a brief snippet from KNBC from Las Vegas in August 1972.

All this talk of MSG being pro filmed ... rubbish!

[Lisarose]

:( It's just not fair. I would love to see more - just have to settle for the hand-held smuggled in & out of concert footage.

[KPM]

Well Getlo and I have disagreed about what is "pro footage" in the past. If it is pro shot footage- but not an official sanctioned by Parker-in my view it is still pro footage.
There is some 16MM film which was shot by the professional avante garde filmaker Jonas Mekas-but it was not sanctioned by Parker-yet it is crystal clear footage-that is all that matters to me.
I have posted several times where the respected Elvis researcher and author Joe Tunzi is asked about this alleged pro footage from MSG and here is the question and answer:

Q-We know that some professional footage was done at the opening show of Madison Square Garden on June 9th 1972. Some portions of this footage has been used on different projects but always heavily edited and without Elvis’ vocal. Three years ago Dateline NBC used a short sequence for the first time with the original sound of Elvis performing “ Polk Salad Annie “. According to the different footages partly used on different projects and/or on T.V., they have filmed at least the following: the crowd before the show starts, The Sweet Inspirations, Elvis entering the stage, That’s All Right, Proud Mary, You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me, You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling and Polk Salad Annie. Do you know if the show was filmed from beginning to end with matching sound ? If not, do you know how much was actually filmed and who possibly owns that footage ?

JOE: .It sounds like you have been doing your homework. This is exactly correct. I think there may be around 30 or 40 minutes of the show with matching sound. The sound quality is not the greatest but is passable. I really can’t comment on who owns it.........

IMO someone needs to interview Joe again and ask him if he can be more enlightening on this subject.
Its obvious by the question that others feel this footage exists-so it seems a debateable subject. But IMO Getlo and I agree on the fact that if it is pro shot footage-it was not for any authorized project.