More Sparks?

[Awickedreigndrop]

Ever since I seen this one picture, this thought has been floating around in my head. In the picture gallery here someone posted a picture of Elvis and Ann Margret and a few pictures from that was a picture of Elvis and Priscilla on their wedding day.

I'm not trying to start anything up here or bash Priscilla but it seemed like there were more sparks going on between Elvis and Ann Margret then there were between Elvis and Priscilla. I'm not saying that he didn't love Priscilla, but I'm thinking that he cared for Ann more. They say a picture's worth a 1,000 words and those pictures are saying A LOT!:lol:

[Getlo]

There were never any genuine sparks between Elvis and Priscilla.

By comparison to AM, Cilla simply has no personality; no zip; nothing. AM was simply more interesting than Cilla, in every way imaginable.

The "fairytale romance" between EP and Cilla was a media creation.

But the spark, the sizzle between AM and EP was absolutely real, and it just about jumped off the movie screen.

[Dovey]

(y)(y)Yep, I absolutely agree with you!! Dovey ;)

[Diane]

Same here.(y)(y)

Diane

[poormansgold]

know what I'm staying away from this one
Tom

[presley31]

I think there was alot of love between elvis and priscilla. Elvis may of loved Ann but he had no future with her, for one thing l can't see ann staying home and looking after the children and stopping her career for elvis or anybody, Sorry but the wedding pics you see of elvis and priscilla there's was alot more love, than what your seeing. would love a men looking at me like elvis looks at priscilla.

[Getlo]

Sorry but the wedding pics you see of elvis and priscilla there's was alot more love, than what your seeing.

There may have been love there, but we are talking about sparks ... chemistry ... a frisson.

There was absolutely none between Elvis and Cilla.

Boooooooooooooring ... !

[presley31]

There may have been love there, but we are talking about sparks ... chemistry ... a frisson.

There was absolutely none between Elvis and Cilla.

Boooooooooooooring ... !

thats your opinion but l disgree. lets not start bashing

[Getlo]

thats your opinion but l disgree. lets not start bashing

WHO'S BASHING???! :mad:

[Sonny]

no bashing... let's be nice...

[Awickedreigndrop]

Maybe what he needed was a combination of the two. I guess he didn't have the time like a normal person has to find that one person that fits him just right.

[elvis himselvis]

Maybe what he needed was a combination of the two. I guess he didn't have the time like a normal person has to find that one person that fits him just right.

Well,priscilla was living at Graceland since 1962,and he already met her in '58.
So he sure had enough time,and I think he really loved her,but he just didn't let it see in the media...

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

There may have been love there, but we are talking about sparks ... chemistry ... a frisson.

There was absolutely none between Elvis and Cilla.

Boooooooooooooring ... !

Agreed, I have never seen a photo or any video of Elvis and Priscilla demonstrating the same chemistry as Elvis and AM. I'm not saying Elvis didn't love Priscilla he clearly did.... but the same passion is just not there, Elvis and AM are practically smoldering on screen, you can hear the crackle and sizzle lol..... wow :hug:

[riley]

I'm agreeing with some things and diagreeing with other things....

First of all Viva Las Vegas was a movie, not real life.
I also think he had the hots for Ann, but often he liked other co stars as well and in many many films of him I see sparks with his often lovely co stars

BUT
He chose Priscilla for his wife, so no film here, just reality...

I think he loved Pris more then she did love him, still convinced about that...

And yes he searched a women who would sit at home and take care of his kids but boy.... then he certainly picked the wrong girl... because futur would show Priscilla was all but that...

[Getlo]

First of all Viva Las Vegas was a movie, not real life.

Obviously. ;) But the movie was a visual representation of the genuine spark that was between them and, by all accounts, it carried over into real life.


I also think he had the hots for Ann, but often he liked other co stars as well and in many many films of him I see sparks with his often lovely co stars

With the exception of Yvonne Craig, no other co-star but AM was invited to his homes, as far as I remember reading. There may very well have been on-screen sparks with some of his co-stars, but none that carried over into real life. And he only spoke of AM to those close to him with an affection that simply wasn't there for his other co-stars.


He chose Priscilla for his wife.

Did he really? I always hear the sound of a chugging train when I talk of the wedding, as in Elvis was railroaded ... by Cilla, her parents (especially), the Colonel and Vernon. He may very well "loved" Cilla, but there is no way he was in love with her; something that has been debated on several other threads.

[Dovey]

I believe that Elvis loved cilla as a little sister but was not "In Love" with her and yes, he was railroaded into that marriage. Dovey;)

[presley31]

There was love there but priscilla grew up and elvis and prisiclla didn't work on there marriage. Its takes two to make things work and they didn't bother so of course they feel apart. Shame really but not shocking since happens in life everyday.

[Diane]

I think Elvis was infatuated with Priscilla's looks at first and that it wore off into simple affection but never "in love".

Diane

[Getlo]

I think Elvis was infatuated with Priscilla's looks at first and that it wore off into simple affection but never "in love".

Exactly. She was a "project" that went horribly wrong ...

[tocancun]

Did he really? I always hear the sound of a chugging train when I talk of the wedding, as in Elvis was railroaded ... by Cilla, her parents (especially), the Colonel and Vernon. He may very well "loved" Cilla, but there is no way he was in love with her; something that has been debated on several other threads.[/QUOTE]



Your sources please?

[presley31]

I don't think that, elvis didn't like who priscilla grew in to, she wasn't that little girl anymore.If he didn't love her, well he shouldn't of been so hurt in the last years and fans wouldn't be so mad and upset at her.

[Getlo]

Your sources please?

Most amusing.

It's called having an opinion.

You want to disagree; that's fine with me pal.

You'll notice this thread is based on people's opinions; therefore the "sources" you want cannot be quantified in books (although there are a few books that say Cilla was a golddigger; perhaps you've read them?). Obviously, only the woman herself knows.

So, on any threads where we're talking about factual information, the sources are widely available.

But for these types of threads, most of us can remain polite and pleasant until someone else launches an oblique personal attack. ;)

[ricardo b. prospero]

There is no comparison between Priscilla and Ann Margaret. Priscilla never even got close to Ann Margaret's level in all aspects. Priscilla successfully tricked Elvis to marry her using her false charms.

[Getlo]

There is no comparison between Priscilla and Ann Margaret. Priscilla never even got close to Ann Margaret's level in all aspects. Priscilla successfully tricked Elvis to marry her using her false charms.

Agreed. (y)

[presley31]

There is no comparison between Priscilla and Ann Margaret. Priscilla never even got close to Ann Margaret's level in all aspects. Priscilla successfully tricked Elvis to marry her using her false charms.

disgree(n)(n)

[Getlo]

disgree(n)(n)

Why?

(You'll notice, toncancun, that I have asked presley31 to expand on her thoughts without implying she's wrong. It's just that she has a different opinion to mine, and I am interested to hear why she is of another mindset ...)

P31?

[presley31]

Why?

(You'll notice, toncancun, that I have asked presley31 to expand on her thoughts without implying she's wrong. It's just that she has a different opinion to mine, and I am interested to hear why she is of another mindset ...)

P31?

Gelto there isn't any right or wrongs on this board and stop being a bug

[Getlo]

not me but dovey if you read again.

Huh? :blink:

You disagreed with ricardo's statement:

"There is no comparison between Priscilla and Ann Margaret. Priscilla never even got close to Ann Margaret's level in all aspects. Priscilla successfully tricked Elvis to marry her using her false charms."

So I'm asking why you disagree with that and (by implication) why you disagree with my take on the marriage, ie that Cilla was a golddigger from day one ...

[presley31]

Huh? :blink:

You disagreed with ricardos' statement:

"There is no comparison between Priscilla and Ann Margaret. Priscilla never even got close to Ann Margaret's level in all aspects. Priscilla successfully tricked Elvis to marry her using her false charms."

So I'm asking why you disagree with that and (by implication) why you disagree with my take on the marriage, ie that Cilla was a golddigger from day one ...

for the simple reason l like her and don't think that why about her and thats my opinion.

[Getlo]

Gelto there isn't any right or wrongs on this board

Not in this thread, anyway.

Why are you being so defensive?

I'm asking (politely as it happens, or maybe you missed it) why you disgaree with one opinion of the marriage.

But if you don't want to answer or discuss it to keep the thread going ... fine.


:blink::blink:;):blink::blink:

[Getlo]

for the simple reason l like her and don't think that why about her and thats my opinion.

Fine, was that so hard?

I mean, all I did was ask someone why they disgaree with a certain pattern of thought, then I get my head chewed off!

Thanks for expanding (;)) on the thought process ...

Clearly, some like Cilla, and some don't. That's perfectly reasonable!

[KPM]

I don't know about tricking ELvis with false charms-I'm sure Elvis by the time he met Priscilla had seen every angle in the book by females.
But Priscilla was not being directed in a movie as Ann and Elvis were in VLV.
Its easy for a good director to make any sparks (which he see in the rushes) look even more bright by proper cuts and direction. There was a good chemistry between Ann and Elvis theres no question on that.
But I don't know if its fair to compare the sparks seen in a big hollywood movie with real life. IMO For all the sparks of Ann and Elvis-they just remained good friends and the relationship really went no further. So the sparks were there but thats about all there was.

It seems to Elvis had to be drawn to Priscilla to continue the relationship after Germany. He had a lot of girlfriends in his day and only Priscilla was moved in permanent-until the divorce.

[presley31]

I don't know about tricking ELvis with false charms-I'm sure Elvis by the time he met Priscilla had seen every angle in the book by females.
But Priscilla was not being directed in a movie as Ann and Elvis were in VLV.
Its easy for a good director to make any sparks (which he see in the rushes) look even more bright by proper cuts and direction. There was a good chemistry between Ann and Elvis theres no question on that.
But I don't know if its fair to compare the sparks seen in a big hollywood movie with real life. IMO For all the sparks of Ann and Elvis-they just remained good friends and the relationship really went no further. So the sparks were there but thats about all there was.

It seems to Elvis had to be drawn to Priscilla to continue the relationship after Germany. He had a lot of girlfriends in his day and only Priscilla was moved in permanent-until the divorce.

I agree KPM, you make alot of good points there

[Getlo]

Its easy for a good director to make any sparks (which he see in the rushes) look even more bright by proper cuts and direction.

You only need to look at the pictures of them together to see the sparks. The director of the movie, in fact, had a huge crush on AM, and resented Elvis a bit because of EP and AM getting together. The spark was not manufactured by a movie director; but the movie only served to heighten something that was already there.


Ann and Elvis-they just remained good friends and the relationship really went no further.

EP and AM had a relationship for a long time after the movie. They did take it further than what went on during the filming of Viva Las Vegas.

I don't think I need to list a source for that ... do I?

[Diane]

Yes you do Getlo...where's your source? :lol::lol::lol:

Diane

[cameron]

Since it's a dictate ; yes, I think everyone should provide their source.

[Getlo]

Since it's a dictate ; yes, I think everyone should provide their source.

My Story, by Ann-Margret.

And just about any other decent book on Elvis you could mention.

So, I've played my part re sources ... will you? ;)

[Diane]

Thank you Getlo. :lol:(y)

Diane

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

IMO Elvis did love Priscilla, but it was one of a companion, Priscilla resented being the mother figure that Elvis wanted and moved on. It is also my opinion that she was indeed infatuated with Elvis in the beginning and that she couldn't live the lifestyle that Elvis lived, she then systematically and calculatedly went on to manipulate Elvis into marriage and having a child knowing how this would make Elvis the doting father and then stayed around long enough to get the cash out the bank!

I don't resent Priscilla, In fact she did what millions of other women wanted to do! I also think that Priscilla gets a terrible press, I think she has paid her dews having had to live in the shadow of an enormous talent. Priscilla has caved in to greed and become a symbiont that feeds its self to nourish her self worth.

To get back on topic I think that Anne Margaret understood what the pressures of fame were and that Elvis was betrothed to another, I also think that they both understood that a flame that burns bright, doesn't burn for long ;)

[presley31]

Quote from Ann's book

His wish was that we could stay together. But of course we both knew that was impossible, and that's what was so very difficult about our relationship. Elvis and I knew he had commitments, promises to keep, and he vowed to keep his word.
Both of us knew that now matter how much we loved each other, no matter how strong our bond, we weren't going to last. We tried not to think about it.
Sometimes that was impossible. We talked about marriage. We were so alike, so compatible. Elvis didn't like strong, aggressive women and I posed no threat there. He, on the other hand, was strong, gentle, exciting, and protective. Just the qualities I liked. In terms of our careers there was no conflict, only respect

[cameron]

As we know Ann's book didn't gave away any secrets.
But, I enjoyed her interview .


http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/video/ann_margret_talks_about_elvis.html

Gotta go called away. ;)

[utmom2008]

Obviously. ;) But the movie was a visual representation of the genuine spark that was between them and, by all accounts, it carried over into real life.



With the exception of Yvonne Craig, no other co-star but AM was invited to his homes, as far as I remember reading. There may very well have been on-screen sparks with some of his co-stars, but none that carried over into real life. And he only spoke of AM to those close to him with an affection that simply wasn't there for his other co-stars.



Did he really? I always hear the sound of a chugging train when I talk of the wedding, as in Elvis was railroaded ... by Cilla, her parents (especially), the Colonel and Vernon. He may very well "loved" Cilla, but there is no way he was in love with her; something that has been debated on several other threads.
You hear the sound of a train...or the sound of a gun, as in "shotgun" wedding :D

[presley31]

As we know Ann's book didn't gave away any secrets.
But, I enjoyed her interview .


http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/video/ann_margret_talks_about_elvis.html

Gotta go called away. ;)

Thanks for the link, Ann has always been very lovely when she talks about elvis, Great woman indeed.

[Lisarose]

I think Elvis was infatuated with Priscilla's looks at first and that it wore off into simple affection but never "in love".

Diane

I know that Priscilla is not popular with a lot of fans, & up until her excessive plastic surgery- let's not go there - anyway, I think Elvis more than cared for her. But also, I think that like in everything else, when Elvis gave his word to Priscilla & her parents that he would take care of her & that they would eventually marry, that he knew eventually he would do as he promised. Elvis was a man of his word. Maybe he was hoping that she would change her mind? After all, if Priscilla had changed her mind and gone back to Germany, Elvis would have been off the hook. I don't know, but I know that there were a lot of sparks between Elvis & Ann. That said, some of my favorite photos are the ones of Elvis & Priscilla together. Maybe they weren't in love, but they did care deeply about each other.

Are there any personal photos of Elvis & Ann together, that is not from the movie?

[presley31]

I know that Priscilla is not popular with a lot of fans, & up until her excessive plastic surgery- let's not go there - anyway, I think Elvis more than cared for her. But also, I think that like in everything else, when Elvis gave his word to Priscilla & her parents that he would take care of her & that they would eventually marry, that he knew eventually he would do as he promised. Elvis was a man of his word. Maybe he was hoping that she would change her mind? After all, if Priscilla had changed her mind and gone back to Germany, Elvis would have been off the hook. I don't know, but I know that there were a lot of sparks between Elvis & Ann. That said, some of my favorite photos are the ones of Elvis & Priscilla together. Maybe they weren't in love, but they did care deeply about each other.

Are there any personal photos of Elvis & Ann together, that is not from the movie?

The only pics l seen is elvis and ann in the movies, none of them personal pictures.

[Donut]

It seems to Elvis had to be drawn to Priscilla to continue the relationship after Germany. He had a lot of girlfriends in his day and only Priscilla was moved in permanent-until the divorce.

We can´t know what went inside Elvis head for sure just get to conclussions by his actions but Priscilla wouldn´t have live there permanently if Anita Wood wouldn´t have choose to leave Elvis. Judging his letters to her Anita was the one he wanted to have a steady relationship with but she was smarter than that...

[LianaKaralivanou]

My opinion is that you can fall in love many times in your life and feel passion too many times but there is only ONE true love. I think that Elvis really loved Priscilla that's why he married her. We all know that there were so many women in his life so I guess that he felt PASSION for most of them, including Ann. But talking about marriage,well, that's a different story.

[KPM]

You only need to look at the pictures of them together to see the sparks. The director of the movie, in fact, had a huge crush on AM, and resented Elvis a bit because of EP and AM getting together. The spark was not manufactured by a movie director; but the movie only served to heighten something that was already there.


KPM
Never said it was manufactured, but I'll agree it was "heightened" quite a bit by the way the movie was shot and directed in my opinion. Parker was supposedly unhappy that the director was giving Ann too many close shots.
But his way of directing many scenes with quick cut full face close-ups did a lot to capture the "sparks" As I sadi before no one can deny there were sparks between them.
My point is no one followed Elvis and Priscilla with a 16mm camera and tried to capture any sparks which might have been there (or to heighten them in any way.) No one said "Cut" "We need a little more emotion right here, a little more closeness in this scene" etc.... all of which happen with every movie made.
So to decide there were "never any fire or sparks" between Elvis and Priscilla
is just a matter of opinion and interpretation. But I would not compare the "movie heightened sparks" to everyday real life with any couple. IMO




EP and AM had a relationship for a long time after the movie. They did take it further than what went on during the filming of Viva Las Vegas.
I don't think I need to list a source for that ... do I?
From all I can recall reading there romantic relationship was pretty much over after Ann told a newspaper in- England (I think it was England) that she and Elvis were going to marry. From that point on it was never the same.
They did indeed remain very good friends for the rest of their lives- but not romantically. She did marry Roger Smith a few days after Elvis married Priscilla and she has been happily married ever since.

[KPM]

IMO Elvis did love Priscilla, but it was one of a companion, Priscilla resented being the mother figure that Elvis wanted and moved on. It is also my opinion that she was indeed infatuated with Elvis in the beginning and that she couldn't live the lifestyle that Elvis lived, she then systematically and calculatedly went on to manipulate Elvis into marriage and having a child knowing how this would make Elvis the doting father and then stayed around long enough to get the cash out the bank!

I don't resent Priscilla, In fact she did what millions of other women wanted to do! I also think that Priscilla gets a terrible press, I think she has paid her dews having had to live in the shadow of an enormous talent. Priscilla has caved in to greed and become a symbiont that feeds its self to nourish her self worth.

To get back on topic I think that Anne Margaret understood what the pressures of fame were and that Elvis was betrothed to another, I also think that they both understood that a flame that burns bright, doesn't burn for long ;)

I agree quite a bit here. Elvis married Priscilla and had to love her IMO.
Ann and Elvis had great chemistry and the sparks were definitly there but 2 huge egos were involved, 2 big careers each in full swing. Flames spark emotion and those moments are great-but then realities slowly creep in.

[geordie]

There may have been love there, but we are talking about sparks ... chemistry ... a frisson.

There was absolutely none between Elvis and Cilla.

Boooooooooooooring ... !

i think what people are seeing here is LUST, lust is one thing, love is a entirely different thing. it goes much deeper, as anyone who has been married for a long period of time will testify to.i really do think elvis loved priscilla but as someone on here said,after i would say 1961 as more as a sister,but there was still love there.

source----- h.p brown :blink:

[Stryx]

I agree quite a bit here. Elvis married Priscilla and had to love her IMO.
Ann and Elvis had great chemistry and the sparks were definitly there but 2 huge egos were involved, 2 big careers each in full swing. Flames spark emotion and those moments are great-but then realities slowly creep in.


If you watch that interview with Ann about Elvis, she still seems to have quite deep feelings for him.

In fact, she seems to have deeper feelings for him than any I have witnessed from Priscilla.

The again.....maybe Priscilla is the better actress, and thus able to hide her true feelings in public:lmfao:

[presley31]

I agree quite a bit here. Elvis married Priscilla and had to love her IMO.
Ann and Elvis had great chemistry and the sparks were definitly there but 2 huge egos were involved, 2 big careers each in full swing. Flames spark emotion and those moments are great-but then realities slowly creep in.

agreed KPM(y)(y)

[Getlo]

i think what people are seeing here is LUST, lust is one thing, love is a entirely different thing.

Some people might be seeing that, yes ... but not I.

I'm talking about the spark of love. There was lust between Elvis and most of his co-stars and between him and most of the women he met.

But love? That was reserved for very few. And I just simply never saw the "real thing" between Elvis and Cilla.

[Awickedreigndrop]

I think that a lot of people confuse love and lust, I mean the people who are involved in the relationship. I guess the only way you can defuse it is by getting to know that person. I wonder what would have happened between Elvis and Ann if they didn't break things off and was together longer....

[Getlo]

From all I can recall reading there romantic relationship was pretty much over after Ann told a newspaper in- England (I think it was England) that she and Elvis were going to marry. From that point on it was never the same.

I believe AM has said that she was misquoted and that her words were taken out of context in this interview. It did cause tension (especially when Cilla read it!). I would believe AM if she says she was misquoted, as I don't believe she is the sort of person who would announce something like that if it were not true.

[KPM]

I believe AM has said that she was misquoted and that her words were taken out of context in this interview. It did cause tension (especially when Cilla read it!). I would believe AM if she says she was misquoted, as I don't believe she is the sort of person who would announce something like that if it were not true.
Yes I would believe her also, regardless it did pretty much stop the romantic relationship. But its great they always were friends with mutual respect.

[KPM]

If you watch that interview with Ann about Elvis, she still seems to have quite deep feelings for him.

In fact, she seems to have deeper feelings for him than any I have witnessed from Priscilla.

The again.....maybe Priscilla is the better actress, and thus able to hide her true feelings in public:lmfao:
I know my brother deeply loves his wife but to talk with him you'd never know it- he can seem pretty cold. People are different in how their emotions show through. But I agree Ann seems to have a soft spot in her heart for Elvis and the time they shared. Perhaps Elvis was her first "true love"-some people always carry feellings for the first love.
By the same token she also shows how much she loves her husband and their marriage has been a very happy one, so I don't think she has any regrets. IMO

[rhythmknights]

seems like Elvis' song should have been Love the one You're With.
from everything iv'e read, he seemed to truly love the woman of the moment, sometimes even beyond that moment. There are alot of female fans who say the same, that when they met him, he made them feel like they were the only one in the room.
- sigh- to be that woman for only a moment!

[Burning_Love]

IMO, there were sparks between Elvis and Priscilla, and Elvis and Ann.
I think Elvis was very much in love with both. But Priscilla was more of a dream, a fantasy, she was amazingly pretty and did everything Elvis wanted.

But Ann is a different story. Perhaps Elvis was drawn to her because of the way she was with him "Treat 'em Mean, keep 'em keen" Sorta thing. But i think they both loved each other but they loved their future more.

But there are more love in their eyes than Elvis and Priscilla's. IMO.

[SleepyJack]

I wonder how many times Priscilla has watched "Viva Las Vegas"??!!!

[franny]

I know that Priscilla is not popular with a lot of fans, & up until her excessive plastic surgery- let's not go there - anyway, I think Elvis more than cared for her. But also, I think that like in everything else, when Elvis gave his word to Priscilla & her parents that he would take care of her & that they would eventually marry, that he knew eventually he would do as he promised. Elvis was a man of his word. Maybe he was hoping that she would change her mind? After all, if Priscilla had changed her mind and gone back to Germany, Elvis would have been off the hook. I don't know, but I know that there were a lot of sparks between Elvis & Ann. That said, some of my favorite photos are the ones of Elvis & Priscilla together. Maybe they weren't in love, but they did care deeply about each other.

Are there any personal photos of Elvis & Ann together, that is not from the movie?

Elvis was a man of his word, you're right Lisarose! I also think if Elvis didn't love Priscilla, then he would have left her in Germany and that would have been the end of it...Instead, he brought her over to live at Graceland, so I do think they loved each other...

franny

[presley31]

Elvis was a man of his word, you're right Lisarose! I also think if Elvis didn't love Priscilla, then he would have left her in Germany and that would have been the end of it...Instead, he brought her over to live at Graceland, so I do think they loved each other...

franny

agree franny(y)

[Unique Dog]

I think Elvis loved both women but differently. Ann was the kind of woman he had "fun" with but he would never have settled down and married her. Priscilla was the kind of woman he wanted for a wife. Like her or not, Priscilla was the one he chose to marry and Priscilla is the mother of his child.