Inside Graceland-1977

[EP75]

Take a look at this website. It has photos of what Graceland originally looked like at the time of EP's death and prior to Priscilla opening it up. After looking at the different furniture arrangements and seeing that the grand piano was further (deeper) in the living room instead of closer to the peacocks as is now, this now makes me think that this could be what is in store for the future of Graceland. Bob Sillerman has stated that he wants to restore it back to the way it looked the night EP died. So this would be what it would look like if he does do that. I actually think it would be intriguing and would change the whole image of Graceland altogether if it does go back to the original red and white interior.

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/GracelandTour.html

[Lonniebealestreet]

Not that I follow everything the man says, but I did not know that was his intention. I would love to see the red brought back, tacky or not.

The look from the sixties has had its time (uhh, plus the peacocks :P) so I think it would be great to see the home in all its kitschy 70s glory, the way Elvis left it.

[EP75]

I completely agree Lonnie!(y)

[presley31]

If they turn back l will be happy with that too.

[EP75]

You guys know what? Lakeisha had told me that her friend heard rumblings that Graceland might have to shut down for a short time while renovations go on. If what Bob Sillerman is implying as to what we think he is, then her source would be right about that. there's no way that they could remodel and transform the mansion back into what it looked like on August 16, 1977 all in a couple days. Too much work to do. there's a possibility that the upstairs balcony of the racquetball court could be opened for the first time ever and allow fans and visitors to get a bird's eye view of the gold and platinum record display. That is IF it isn't restored to an actual racquetball court.

I actually would like to see them keep the award display and remove the jumpsuits. They seem to just take up room. And that American flag should be taken down. It too is taking up much needed room for display. Check out this photo I found by google.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dgalus/Graceland/ElvisRacquet2.JPG

[Gary1]

Bob Sillerman has stated that he wants to restore it back to the way it looked the night EP died. I wonder what Lisa thinks of that.After all she still owns the house.Bob Sillerman would need her consent to do anything like that.He only owns most of the business not the house.

[EP75]

I wonder what Lisa thinks of that.After all she still owns the house.Bob Sillerman would need her consent to do anything like that.He only owns most of the business not the house.

I'm pretty sure he has already discussed it with Lisa to have come out and made such a bold statement. Also EPE represenatives have spoken on restoring it back to it's originality. So apparently Lisa has given her permission to do that.

Also if they have to shut down tours for a couple weeks or so to renovate, can you guys imagine how much money that they will lose per day?:supriced:

[Suzan]

Once again incorrect on all counts. Do some research folks as to what Sillerman actually said.;)
Once again Graceland can not, will not and won't be allowed to by Lisa WHO OWNS IT...see previous posts pertaining to this.:)
Also the piano there then and the one there now not the same, therefore size has to do w/placement, reason the Gold piano removed was that it was to large for the room.
And piano is located approx. to same area as is now...and the other piano in there prior to that even was set further back...I don't understand the relevance of this?

[JDD]

It'll never happen.

[toffe]

I thinks this looks great! :)
But i am still a littlebit unsure about this

[Lion]

Good that they at least kept these red furniture!

[EDOEP]

Take a look at this website. It has photos of what Graceland originally looked like at the time of EP's death and prior to Priscilla opening it up. After looking at the different furniture arrangements and seeing that the grand piano was further (deeper) in the living room instead of closer to the peacocks as is now, this now makes me think that this could be what is in store for the future of Graceland. Bob Sillerman has stated that he wants to restore it back to the way it looked the night EP died. So this would be what it would look like if he does do that. I actually think it would be intriguing and would change the whole image of Graceland altogether if it does go back to the original red and white interior.

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/GracelandTour.html

it does not matter what sillerman (allegedly, acc. to EP75's opinion) wants .... he does not own the house and has no rights to alter anything without LMP's permission.

period.

once again we're in the realm of theory. can you please post a RELIABLE source for sillerman's 'intentions'?

ellie

[EDOEP]

Once again incorrect on all counts. Do some research folks as to what Sillerman actually said.;)
Once again Graceland can not, will not and won't be allowed to by Lisa WHO OWNS IT...see previous posts pertaining to this.:)
Also the piano there then and the one there now not the same, therefore size has to do w/placement, reason the Gold piano removed was that it was to large for the room.
And piano is located approx. to same area as is now...and the other piano in there prior to that even was set further back...I don't understand the relevance of this?

dear suzan,

if i remember well the golden piano had already been removed and replaced by a classical black one during elvis' lifetime. i think to have read this in a book, cannot remember where, though.

the golden piano (jesus, a golden painted piano! now, that's tackiness at its worst) was a present by priscilla and elvis did not want it around any longer ...

do you happen to have at hand reliable links / sources about the exchange from golden to black?

hugs, ellie

[Lonniebealestreet]

A side note here but the gold piano is in the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville.

This isn't my photo but I did see it there a couple of years ago.

http://www.benjaminwagner.com/images/elizabethtown/goldpiano.jpg

By the way, I couldn't say what Sillerman or LMP has said about restoring the downstairs to the way it looked in '77 but it would not surprise me to learn that doing so would be consistent with Lisa's wishes.

[Johnny]

once again we're in the realm of theory. can you please post a RELIABLE source for sillerman's 'intentions'?


Agreed, I'm getting sick and tired of these alleged "sources"

[Stryx]

You guys know what? Lakeisha had told me that her friend heard rumblings that Graceland might have to shut down for a short time while renovations go on. If what Bob Sillerman is implying as to what we think he is, then her source would be right about that. there's no way that they could remodel and transform the mansion back into what it looked like on August 16, 1977 all in a couple days. Too much work to do. there's a possibility that the upstairs balcony of the racquetball court could be opened for the first time ever and allow fans and visitors to get a bird's eye view of the gold and platinum record display. That is IF it isn't restored to an actual racquetball court.

I actually would like to see them keep the award display and remove the jumpsuits. They seem to just take up room. And that American flag should be taken down. It too is taking up much needed room for display. Check out this photo I found by google.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dgalus/Graceland/ElvisRacquet2.JPG


Personally I would welcome the house being restored to when Elvis was in it in 77.

That includes putting back in all the red carpets and putting the racquetball court back to the way it was.

They can show off the Jumpsuits and records in some of the new developments that are being planned.

[Tony Trout]

As has been said before, Sillerman can't do a darn thing to the house because it's a NATIONAL LANDMARK and by him altering the house in any way, he would be breaking the law....

And yes...I would also like to see some reliable sources of information posted....

[Getlo]

"It has been reported" are the first four words on the link in the original thread.

Yet, elvispresleynews.com fails to mention from where they obtained this information.

And again, EP75 ...

"Bob Sillerman has stated that he wants to restore it back to the way it looked the night EP died."

... Sillerman has no say in what is to be done with the house, if anything.

[presley31]

I will believe this when l hear this from Lisa

[cameron]

This is what EPE has to say. Until further announcements, I guess you can rely on this.;)

http://www.elvis.com/news/full_story.asp?id=980

[EDOEP]

A side note here but the gold piano is in the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville.

This isn't my photo but I did see it there a couple of years ago.

http://www.benjaminwagner.com/images/elizabethtown/goldpiano.jpg

By the way, I couldn't say what Sillerman or LMP has said about restoring the downstairs to the way it looked in '77 but it would not surprise me to learn that doing so would be consistent with Lisa's wishes.

thank you very much for the info and the photo, lonnie (y).

hugs, ellie

[LovesElvis]

I dunno, I kinda like the gold piano.:)

[elvis himselvis]

I think it would be great to see Graceland the way it looked when Elvis left it behind.

[keke23]

I'm not feelin the red all that much. Maybe because red aint my favorite colour, lol.

I do agree about the current gold record display. It should stay, IMO.

As for Sillerman.....he told the local leaders here that he wanted to restore it.

That's where the media got their sources from.

As for the rules or laws for historical landmarks......some vary. Meaning you can alter or change some things, but not all.

I don't exactly know what can and can't be done to Graceland, neither does anyone else here, it's all assumption. But I don't think he'd be makin a comment about restorin back to what it looked like when Elvis was alive, if he didn't have the say so from LMP.

Obviously you can change or alter or even tear down a historical registered landmark if the owner wants to.

Check this FAQ about it and yall will see what I'm talkin about.

http://www.arkansaspreservation.org/historic-properties/national-register/faq.asp

[Lonniebealestreet]

thank you very much for the info and the photo, lonnie (y).

hugs, ellie

Hey, you're very welcome, Ellie. Hugs back at you.

[keke23]

I just found the answer to yall's questions about what they can and can't do to a historical landmark.

Obviously changes can be made and are LEGAL.

6. How will Landmark designation affect my ability to make changes to my property? Top


Listing of private property as a National Historic Landmark or on the National Register does not prohibit under Federal law or regulations any actions which may otherwise be taken by the property owner with respect to the property. The National Park Service may recommend to owners various preservation actions, but owners are not obligated to carry out these recommendations. They are free to make whatever changes they wish if Federal funding, licensing or permits are not involved. (Questions regarding Federal involvement are answered in the next section.) Federal laws that involve National Historic Landmarks are listed in the Federal regulations governing this program, specifically in 36 CFR 65.2 "Effects of Designation" (c)(1-7).


Owners should keep in mind that State laws or local ordinances may affect National Historic Landmarks if these legal mechanisms recognize and protect Landmarks, independent of Federal law.


http://www.nps.gov/nhl/QA.htm#6

[EP75]

I just found the answer to yall's questions about what they can and can't do to a historical landmark.

Obviously changes can be made and are LEGAL.

6. How will Landmark designation affect my ability to make changes to my property? Top


Listing of private property as a National Historic Landmark or on the National Register does not prohibit under Federal law or regulations any actions which may otherwise be taken by the property owner with respect to the property. The National Park Service may recommend to owners various preservation actions, but owners are not obligated to carry out these recommendations. They are free to make whatever changes they wish if Federal funding, licensing or permits are not involved. (Questions regarding Federal involvement are answered in the next section.) Federal laws that involve National Historic Landmarks are listed in the Federal regulations governing this program, specifically in 36 CFR 65.2 "Effects of Designation" (c)(1-7).


Owners should keep in mind that State laws or local ordinances may affect National Historic Landmarks if these legal mechanisms recognize and protect Landmarks, independent of Federal law.


http://www.nps.gov/nhl/QA.htm#6

Well, well, well. I guess a certain poster who wants everyone to think that she is the profit of this forum was incorrect on her claim after all.:D Thank you so much Lakeisha for taking the time to find that and setting the record straight!(y) This now shows us that ANYTHING CAN BE DONE AS LONG AS THE OWNER ACCEPTS.

Now back to the original topic of this thread. I really think that if Bob Sillerman is indeed planning to restore it back to its originality as he says he wants to, then those images of it from 1977 is what it would most likely resemble. I also believe that if that is their intentions then it will drive many of the older fans who haven't visited in years and the casual fans to go back. Add in the newer curious visitors who will want to see what all the hype is going to be about and the number of daily visitors will double if not triple. Imagine every week being Elvis Week!(y)

[KPM]

To me its not important whether it looks exactly like it did when Elvis died.
The fact that it was his home is what interests me. The home was changed several times while Elvis lived so its not like it always looked the same.
That he lived in it and felt at home in it is what is important.

[Suzan]

dear suzan,

if i remember well the golden piano had already been removed and replaced by a classical black one during elvis' lifetime. i think to have read this in a book, cannot remember where, though.

the golden piano (jesus, a golden painted piano! now, that's tackiness at its worst) was a present by priscilla and elvis did not want it around any longer ...

do you happen to have at hand reliable links / sources about the exchange from golden to black?

hugs, ellie

Yes indeed, the piano (gold) actually it was dipped in 24 gold leaf, and was a 1st wed. anniversary present from Pris to Elvis...sometime in mid 70's Elvis gave the piano to his aunt Nash to use in her church (she was a minister) and her church then either sold or gave it to another individual, I don't quite know the chain of events on that, anyway, when Graceland opened, or right prior to it, EPE recv'd a call from an individual saying he had the gold piano, he brought it back to Graceland where it sat on display from June of '82. When it was removed again I don't know, but it is currently on display in one of the country museums (want to say Country Hall of Fame).
Parts of this info I got from "Elvis Presleys Graceland`1985 w/Priscilla Presley, showtime special" that I have on VHS and parts from what I've been told, read and seen on the internet.
How are you long time no hear.:)
Hugs
S.

[Suzan]

Well, well, well. I guess a certain poster who wants everyone to think that she is the profit of this forum was incorrect on her claim after all.:D Thank you so much Lakeisha for taking the time to find that and setting the record straight!(y) This now shows us that ANYTHING CAN BE DONE AS LONG AS THE OWNER ACCEPTS.

Now back to the original topic of this thread. I really think that if Bob Sillerman is indeed planning to restore it back to its originality as he says he wants to, then those images of it from 1977 is what it would most likely resemble. I also believe that if that is their intentions then it will drive many of the older fans who haven't visited in years and the casual fans to go back. Add in the newer curious visitors who will want to see what all the hype is going to be about and the number of daily visitors will double if not triple. Imagine every week being Elvis Week!(y)

LOL I wasn't only one saying it dear, go back and read, and once again that is the GROUNDS not the interior sweetheart.
Please post, as I'm sure we would all like to see, where Sillerman addresses the interior reconstruction or whatever, of Graceland, a home HE DOES NOT OWN.:D(y)

BTW, see where it says CHECK W/LOCAL AND STATE LAWS? ;)

[Broussey]

I think that IF they do put it back to what it was, they they should make a buliding that has all the stuff thats their now.. kinda like a movie set so the ones that havent seen what it looks like now can.. I dont understand why Priscilla changed it , well no i do thats what it looked like when SHE lived at the house 5 years b4.. anyway i dont care what they do as long as elvis things are still in the house and they NEVER close it down...(y):king:

[toffe]

Thanks for info and sharing picture of the golden piano! :)

[cameron]

I believe it says any changes or building around a National Historical Monument cannot be done without government approval.
Also, state and local laws are to be taken into consideration.

I think there might be some things that would slow down any building etc. until all the criteria is met and approved.

I'd like to see Graceland and Whitehaven cleaned up and restored .
It just appears there is more approval needed than Lisa's.
Perhaps that's why there is only rumour at this point and not any official announcement. I'd just wait for EPE to make it official and not worry about it.

[Johnny]

I dont understand why Priscilla changed it , well no i do thats what it looked like when SHE lived at the house 5 years b4..:

Uuhmm.... maybe because it looked like a brothel and not half as many non-fans would visit because they would find the interior disgusting and in bad taste; which I agree with.

And I suggest everyone listen to the voice of reason and common sense, which is Suzan

[EDOEP]

I'm not feelin the red all that much. Maybe because red aint my favorite colour, lol.

not sure if a certain lack of feeling is your real problem. without wanting to get naughty, i can't help it but i personally get the impression what really causes you problems is the thin**** part.:'( the basis for this is your permanent disregard of logic.


As for Sillerman.....he told the local leaders here that he wanted to restore it.

That's where the media got their sources from.

'sillerman told ....' YEP!

i herewith tell you that i just managed to complete my studies and i am able to beam humans across the universe - just like scottie did.

now everybody go and inform the media and the nobel prize committee please. i'm too shy to do myself. since i am a reliable source, this forum is and you mates are as well ....


I don't exactly know what can and can't be done to Graceland, neither does anyone else here, it's all assumption. But I don't think he'd be makin a comment about restorin back to what it looked like when Elvis was alive, if he didn't have the say so from LMP.

is that a rare case of self-concept? :hmm:

you tend to continuously quote sources the reliability of which is questionable, then present their 'facts' as given and continue to disregard additional factors.


Obviously you can change or alter or even tear down a historical registered landmark if the owner wants to.

you still seem not to understand there are several factors that stand against any such alterations .... it's not only the historic landmark rules, but also LMP as owner and the opinion of the fans, just to name a few. if you count all of them together and apply some logic, the probability of what you state to be sillerman's firm intentions is more unlikely than likely to happen.

i think nobody here wants to put you down, but many mates just like me are bored to death with the everlasting one-sidedness and simplicity* of your argumentation.

ellie

* to put it politely

[EDOEP]

Yes indeed, the piano (gold) actually it was dipped in 24 gold leaf, and was a 1st wed. anniversary present from Pris to Elvis...sometime in mid 70's Elvis gave the piano to his aunt Nash to use in her church (she was a minister) and her church then either sold or gave it to another individual, I don't quite know the chain of events on that, anyway, when Graceland opened, or right prior to it, EPE recv'd a call from an individual saying he had the gold piano, he brought it back to Graceland where it sat on display from June of '82. When it was removed again I don't know, but it is currently on display in one of the country museums (want to say Country Hall of Fame).
Parts of this info I got from "Elvis Presleys Graceland`1985 w/Priscilla Presley, showtime special" that I have on VHS and parts from what I've been told, read and seen on the internet.
How are you long time no hear.:)
Hugs
S.

thank you very much as well, suzan. lonnie pointed already to the exhibit in the 'hall of fame'. i had so far only seen pics of the piano when it was sitting in the music room.

good to know my memory still works somehow LOL. have to check out if i got these videos or where to get them.

hugs, ellie

PS was in bavaria (our second residence) for a fortnight, that's why i had less time than normal. but Q4 is extremely busy anyway.

[Suzan]

thank you very much as well, suzan. lonnie pointed already to the exhibit in the 'hall of fame'. i had so far only seen pics of the piano when it was sitting in the music room.

good to know my memory still works somehow LOL. have to check out if i got these videos or where to get them.

hugs, ellie

PS was in bavaria (our second residence) for a fortnight, that's why i had less time than normal. but Q4 is extremely busy anyway.

Your very welcome.:D
I also happen to agree w/your previous posts, these are things I too have said pertaining to Graceland.:D
Drop me a line sometime, miss chatting w/you.:):D:hug:

I would still like to see where Sillerman actually addresses the topic of changing the interior of Graceland to the way it looked prior to Elvis' passing.:D

BTW, reason Pris changed it, is because neither she nor the revamped EPE wanted the non fan public to have a field day w/the red decor.:)

[EDOEP]

Your very welcome.:D
I also happen to agree w/your previous posts, these are things I too have said pertaining to Graceland.:D
Drop me a line sometime, miss chatting w/you.:):D:hug:

will do.


I would still like to see where Sillerman actually addresses the topic of changing the interior of Graceland to the way it looked prior to Elvis' passing.:D

i think most participants in this thread would like to see a reliable source .... the stress being on 'reliable'.


BTW, reason Pris changed it, is because neither she nor the revamped EPE wanted the non fan public to have a field day w/the red decor.:)

yep, this combined with her dislike of her successor. since ms beaulieu seems to have played a major role in convincing LMP to make the deal with sillerman (she received 5 or 6 million as kind of 'provision' for that apart from keeping her job in the EPE board. source: sillerman interview / report in forbes, i think, or maybe the NYT), she certainly made sure her previous decor-decisions cannot easily be overridden by the new majority-holder.

like some buddy - Jth - said below: it looked like a brothel (resp. what the common guy / gal associates with that kind of location). when i saw the orgy in red and white the first time a couple of years ago my immediate thought was 'oooooh, did elvis buy the set decoration of belle watling's 'etablissement' from 'gone with the wind'?' :lmfao:

hugs, ellie

[Suzan]

yep, this combined with her dislike of her successor. since ms beaulieu seems to have played a major role in convincing LMP to make the deal with sillerman (she received 5 or 6 million as kind of 'provision' for that apart from keeping her job in the EPE board. source: sillerman interview / report in forbes, i think, or maybe the NYT), she certainly made sure her previous decor-decisions cannot easily be overridden by the new majority-holder.


Yes she did, that fee was for her selling some of her Presley stuff and for the use of the name "Presley" though how the latter was accomplished I'd love to know since she divorced him and in divorce decree states that she could not use the name for business ventures?
Lisa herself alluded to the fact that Pris wanted to sell EPE for quite a number of years...
This was reported (the monetary compensation) by quite a few outlets...also she has a deal w/Sillerman's company to remain on the board and EPE for 6 yrs. I wonder what happens at the end of those 6 yrs? We have what 3 yrs. to go to find out? lol
OH she def made sure that her handiwork would not be touched and that history would be somewhat distorted.

Yay, look forward to it (hearing from you).:):hug:

[MissyM]

Bottom Line is the Pricilla acts like it is her house. I think Lisa humors her to a certain extent. Really, does Cilla act like the divorced, ex-wife, of the King? Or does she act like the Madame of Graceland. I think the later? I sure do not remember any wife of anyone act like this. I sure wish Elvis would have re-married and there would have been someone strong to knock that women off her pedastal. Lisa won't ever do that. (and I'm not bashing her, Pricilla has to be a lot to contend with) But her changing it has more to do with her ego and thinking that she is better than Linda. I don't care what it looked like when he died. If he hated it so bad he would have had it changed himself. And BTW red was a very popular color for a house of it's era. (ok maybe not that way exactly) But it was HIS house, to me tells a story about him.

[presley31]

I don't really like the red IMO,l like the colors now much better.

[jak]

I think the color scheme now is 100 times nicer than the red.However going back to the red would spark some curiousity and maybe draw some more visitors.I wouldnt mind taking the tour and seeing what it looked like.
Jak

[EDOEP]

Yes she did, that fee was for her selling some of her Presley stuff and for the use of the name "Presley" though how the latter was accomplished I'd love to know since she divorced him and in divorce decree states that she could not use the name for business ventures?
Lisa herself alluded to the fact that Pris wanted to sell EPE for quite a number of years...

since sillerman is no fool he knew of course that she had no more rights in the name presley anyway since her divorce. insofar it is highly ridiculous that she received the money as 'compensation' for 'giving it up'.

what again did elvis sing? 'how can you lose what you never had' :lmfao:.

it was a lubricant for a smooth deal, not more and not less. in other words: bribery so she won't interfere in an unwanted way and continued playing the host for official events. no fan wants to see sillerman acting as host for the elvis-week or welcoming foreign prime ministers.

"Here then are the terms of the deal between Sillerman and Lisa Presley: CKX paid $114 million for an 85% interest in Elvis Presley Enterprises; Lisa retains the other 15%. Lisa received $50 million in cash, plus $26 million in CKX common and preferred stock. Another $25 million from CKX went to pay off EPE debt. And $6.5 million went to Priscilla Presley for use of the family name--even though Sillerman wasn't legally obligated to pay her anything, since Priscilla and Elvis were divorced, and Elvis's estate went to Lisa Marie. The payment will no doubt make it easier for Sillerman to call Priscilla up and ask her to come to a ribbon cutting of a new Elvis property, for instance.

source: 'the man who bought elvis' - CNN money dt. 12-10-2005

reg. the 'red decor' ..... i DO doubt that miss prissy will change her mind about the white-blue vs red-white, and she's involved in the redecoration, see below the excerpt from NYT report dt. 03-05-06 called 'all shook up'.

"While mapping out the renovations, Mr. Sillerman has been courting Graceland's guardians, including its second-most-famous former resident, Priscilla. When her daughter, Lisa Marie, struck the deal with CKX, Mrs. Presley gave up any commercial rights to Graceland and the Presley name and received $6.5 million in return. She is involved with plans for the renovations, though she has no financial stake in the project."


This was reported (the monetary compensation) by quite a few outlets...also she has a deal w/Sillerman's company to remain on the board and EPE for 6 yrs. I wonder what happens at the end of those 6 yrs? We have what 3 yrs. to go to find out? lol
OH she def made sure that her handiwork would not be touched and that history would be somewhat distorted.

100% agree. in order to keep her shut out from redecoration he probably would have needed to another couple of million $$ :lmfao:.

hugs, ellie

[Lonniebealestreet]

There likely is some truth to the fact that people would generally be less attracted to the red color scheme. However we are not talking about what looks best -- let's try this, maybe that -- but about preservation of history.

I am not outright opposed to the idea that Priscilla changed it, nor do I think the house has to look like it did when Elvis died. Consider that we have the parents' bedroom as part of the tour. That room has not looked like that for a long, long time. It represents the 50s. So in a way it is kind of neat to have all three decades of Elvis' life at Graceland represented and preserved individually -- separate time capsules, if you will.

However, and this isn't a huge deal but I think worth noting, and I alluded to this in my earlier post: the living room never looked the way it now does. We've got the white color scheme and the peacock stained glass. No, I don't think they should have removed the stained glass when they redecorated. I'm just making a point. It's like a mixed metaphor.

Same thing with seeing the Nativity scene and the Santa and reindeer out on the lawn. The latter was used first and Elvis used the former later on; they were never out at the same time. However, for the purposes of our enjoyment, displaying them both is fine, especially since I believe they do note somewhere the chronology of their use.

Sorry, I'm really over-explaining this. Bottom line is that if they did go back to red, we would get a historically accurate picture of the rooms [don't recall if there is any of that stained glass in the dining room...regardless it would be red as well, along with the steps] in totality, and they would look as they did at the end of Elvis' life, which seems to make sense.

Again, if I had to guess I would think Lisa would be all about that, as I am sure that is the way she best remembers it being when her father was in it. But who knows.

The other thing is that the Jungle Room and the basement rooms are awesome in all their tacky 70s glory. They feel very Elvis to me. If the main area of the first floor was red, if less tasteful it would definitely be more reflective of Elvis' personality. When people go through the house and see that dated, flashy look, they don't have to approve of it on a level of "I'm gonna redecorate my house this way" but just appreciate that this was consistent with the times, if an an overblown fashion...very Elvis, like I said.

But you know...whatever they think is best for business.

The red color scheme is sort of treated like Elvis In Concert, you know?

[Suzan]

Bottom Line is the Pricilla acts like it is her house. I think Lisa humors her to a certain extent. Really, does Cilla act like the divorced, ex-wife, of the King? Or does she act like the Madame of Graceland. I think the later? I sure do not remember any wife of anyone act like this. I sure wish Elvis would have re-married and there would have been someone strong to knock that women off her pedastal. Lisa won't ever do that. (and I'm not bashing her, Pricilla has to be a lot to contend with) But her changing it has more to do with her ego and thinking that she is better than Linda. I don't care what it looked like when he died. If he hated it so bad he would have had it changed himself. And BTW red was a very popular color for a house of it's era. (ok maybe not that way exactly) But it was HIS house, to me tells a story about him.

Very well said and AMEN!

Shoot she had red carpeting in her home in Beverly Hills in the '70's so she's last to talk about anything being gaudy...good grief I posted pics of her house in 75, so that says it all for me.
And yes she does act like she is the owner of Graceland, even having the nerve to sit in Elvis' chair.

[presley31]

There likely is some truth to the fact that people would generally be less attracted to the red color scheme. However we are not talking about what looks best -- let's try this, maybe that -- but about preservation of history.

I am not outright opposed to the idea that Priscilla changed it, nor do I think the house has to look like it did when Elvis died. Consider that we have the parents' bedroom as part of the tour. That room has not looked like that for a long, long time. It represents the 50s. So in a way it is kind of neat to have all three decades of Elvis' life at Graceland represented and preserved individually -- separate time capsules, if you will.

However, and this isn't a huge deal but I think worth noting, and I alluded to this in my earlier post: the living room never looked the way it now does. We've got the white color scheme and the peacock stained glass. No, I don't think they should have removed the stained glass when they redecorated. I'm just making a point. It's like a mixed metaphor.

Same thing with seeing the Nativity scene and the Santa and reindeer out on the lawn. The latter was used first and Elvis used the former later on; they were never out at the same time. However, for the purposes of our enjoyment, displaying them both is fine, especially since I believe they do note somewhere the chronology of their use.

Sorry, I'm really over-explaining this. Bottom line is that if they did go back to red, we would get a historically accurate picture of the rooms [don't recall if there is any of that stained glass in the dining room...regardless it would be red as well, along with the steps] in totality, and they would look as they did at the end of Elvis' life, which seems to make sense.

Again, if I had to guess I would think Lisa would be all about that, as I am sure that is the way she best remembers it being when her father was in it. But who knows.

The other thing is that the Jungle Room and the basement rooms are awesome in all their tacky 70s glory. They feel very Elvis to me. If the main area of the first floor was red, if less tasteful it would definitely be more reflective of Elvis' personality. When people go through the house and see that dated, flashy look, they don't have to approve of it on a level of "I'm gonna redecorate my house this way" but just appreciate that this was consistent with the times, if an an overblown fashion...very Elvis, like I said.

But you know...whatever they think is best for business.

The red color scheme is sort of treated like Elvis In Concert, you know?

Yep l agree(y)

[Suzan]

since sillerman is no fool he knew of course that she had no more rights in the name presley anyway since her divorce. insofar it is highly ridiculous that she received the money as 'compensation' for 'giving it up'.

what again did elvis sing? 'how can you lose what you never had' :lmfao:.

it was a lubricant for a smooth deal, not more and not less. in other words: bribery so she won't interfere in an unwanted way and continued playing the host for official events. no fan wants to see sillerman acting as host for the elvis-week or welcoming foreign prime ministers.

"Here then are the terms of the deal between Sillerman and Lisa Presley: CKX paid $114 million for an 85% interest in Elvis Presley Enterprises; Lisa retains the other 15%. Lisa received $50 million in cash, plus $26 million in CKX common and preferred stock. Another $25 million from CKX went to pay off EPE debt. And $6.5 million went to Priscilla Presley for use of the family name--even though Sillerman wasn't legally obligated to pay her anything, since Priscilla and Elvis were divorced, and Elvis's estate went to Lisa Marie. The payment will no doubt make it easier for Sillerman to call Priscilla up and ask her to come to a ribbon cutting of a new Elvis property, for instance.

source: 'the man who bought elvis' - CNN money dt. 12-10-2005

reg. the 'red decor' ..... i DO doubt that miss prissy will change her mind about the white-blue vs red-white, and she's involved in the redecoration, see below the excerpt from NYT report dt. 03-05-06 called 'all shook up'.

"While mapping out the renovations, Mr. Sillerman has been courting Graceland's guardians, including its second-most-famous former resident, Priscilla. When her daughter, Lisa Marie, struck the deal with CKX, Mrs. Presley gave up any commercial rights to Graceland and the Presley name and received $6.5 million in return. She is involved with plans for the renovations, though she has no financial stake in the project."



100% agree. in order to keep her shut out from redecoration he probably would have needed to another couple of million $$ :lmfao:.

hugs, ellie

Yup I'd read all that and then some pertaining to the sale. lol
How could she have given up commercial rights to a property she does not own? That Elvis made sure she didn't own????? I don't understand that at all.
I also don't understand why she's at Elvis or Graceland events at all? I wish Lisa would take more part in it...otherwise I have serious doubts of financially supporting any other ventures to do w/Graceland, not the surrounding area, but Graceland itself, maybe if the money stops flowing as easily LIsa will take a bigger interest or @ least remove Pris from much of it? I'd rather see Sillerman's mug then Prissy's.

[EDOEP]

Yup I'd read all that and then some pertaining to the sale. lol
How could she have given up commercial rights to a property she does not own? That Elvis made sure she didn't own????? I don't understand that at all.

you are not the only one :hug:


I also don't understand why she's at Elvis or Graceland events at all? I wish Lisa would take more part in it...otherwise I have serious doubts of financially supporting any other ventures to do w/Graceland, not the surrounding area, but Graceland itself, maybe if the money stops flowing as easily LIsa will take a bigger interest or @ least remove Pris from much of it? I'd rather see Sillerman's mug then Prissy's.

i think LMP has certainly not an easy life being elvis' daughter, that much to her excuse. unless she excels in her profession she will always remain in the shadow of her father. her worst decision was trying to succeed in the same job. she's average as a singer, but far from being brilliant as artist and as human being lacking any chrisma that made her father so outstanding.

on the other hand one also should be allowed to say that she still gives the impression of being a spoiled brat who has never in her life worked hard one single day (and probably won't unless the cash stops flowing). this may be due to her rather modest education or maybe simply a heritage of her grandpa vernon :P who was not too fond of hard work as well.

i get the impression that LMP's main interest in her father is making an easy living from his heritage. plus maybe she does not want to deal too much with him as she is aware of constantly being compared to him and she knows that she's far from meeting any of his levels. who could blame her to dislike and avoid being constantly reminded of her mediocracy?

since priscilla despite several attemps in several areas never had a real carreer of her own that deserved the term 'carreer' acting as fulltime-job-widow became her actual and most profitable profession.

hugs, ellie

[rocknroll]

is that a rare case of self-concept? :hmm:

you tend to continuously quote sources the reliability of which is questionable, then present their 'facts' as given and continue to disregard additional factors.

As I stated previously, this is how they roll - stating their opinions, obsessions, wishes - as fact with nothing to back it up. All for the sole purpose of stiring the pot. When they are called out, they cry. Look at this thread as an example, almost instantly goes to three pages and growing.

Nothing wrong with restoring Graceland, if it doesn't need it now, eventually it will. Just keep it tasteful and I believe Lisa will do that. Sillerman has no say.

Moderators - how many threads do we need on this subject? we can all see why they are posted. Perhaps this one should be closed before it gets too out of hand.

[cameron]

There likely is some truth to the fact that people would generally be less attracted to the red color scheme. However we are not talking about what looks best -- let's try this, maybe that -- but about preservation of history.

I am not outright opposed to the idea that Priscilla changed it, nor do I think the house has to look like it did when Elvis died. Consider that we have the parents' bedroom as part of the tour. That room has not looked like that for a long, long time. It represents the 50s. So in a way it is kind of neat to have all three decades of Elvis' life at Graceland represented and preserved individually -- separate time capsules, if you will.

However, and this isn't a huge deal but I think worth noting, and I alluded to this in my earlier post: the living room never looked the way it now does. We've got the white color scheme and the peacock stained glass. No, I don't think they should have removed the stained glass when they redecorated. I'm just making a point. It's like a mixed metaphor.

Same thing with seeing the Nativity scene and the Santa and reindeer out on the lawn. The latter was used first and Elvis used the former later on; they were never out at the same time. However, for the purposes of our enjoyment, displaying them both is fine, especially since I believe they do note somewhere the chronology of their use.

Sorry, I'm really over-explaining this. Bottom line is that if they did go back to red, we would get a historically accurate picture of the rooms [don't recall if there is any of that stained glass in the dining room...regardless it would be red as well, along with the steps] in totality, and they would look as they did at the end of Elvis' life, which seems to make sense.

Again, if I had to guess I would think Lisa would be all about that, as I am sure that is the way she best remembers it being when her father was in it. But who knows.

The other thing is that the Jungle Room and the basement rooms are awesome in all their tacky 70s glory. They feel very Elvis to me. If the main area of the first floor was red, if less tasteful it would definitely be more reflective of Elvis' personality. When people go through the house and see that dated, flashy look, they don't have to approve of it on a level of "I'm gonna redecorate my house this way" but just appreciate that this was consistent with the times, if an an overblown fashion...very Elvis, like I said.

But you know...whatever they think is best for business.

The red color scheme is sort of treated like Elvis In Concert, you know?

I agree with you here. (y)

[Lonniebealestreet]

Good to know, cameron.

rocknroll, if there are other topics on this same subject, I agree, we don't need that. And if you are referring to this thread getting off-topic to discuss Lisa and Priscilla merely in the context of what all they do wrong and how they should conduct themselves, I agree with that as well. As such things relate to Graceland and the estate, fine. Otherwise such things should be in the Off Topic forum but still with some degree of respect, eh, folks?

[Miss Clawdy]

There likely is some truth to the fact that people would generally be less attracted to the red color scheme. However we are not talking about what looks best -- let's try this, maybe that -- but about preservation of history......

I agree with all you say.
It would be nice to see how it looked like when Elvis bought Graceland and how he redecorated it during his lifetime. (y)



i herewith tell you that i just managed to complete my studies and i am able to beam humans across the universe - just like scottie did.

Ellie, that's great!!! :clap: Could you please beam me to Graceland??? :lmfao:

[keke23]

As I stated previously, this is how they roll - stating their opinions, obsessions, wishes - as fact with nothing to back it up. All for the sole purpose of stiring the pot. When they are called out, they cry. Look at this thread as an example, almost instantly goes to three pages and growing.

Nothing wrong with restoring Graceland, if it doesn't need it now, eventually it will. Just keep it tasteful and I believe Lisa will do that. Sillerman has no say.

Moderators - how many threads do we need on this subject? we can all see why they are posted. Perhaps this one should be closed before it gets too out of hand.

Everything you just posted was nothin but provokin and attackin others views. Not to mention, completely wrong.

I provided a link with the facts. What did you provide other than a personal attack at me and Jay? But I'm not gonna go there.

Maybe next time you should practice what you preach.

[rocknroll]

Good to know, cameron.

rocknroll, if there are other topics on this same subject, I agree, we don't need that. And if you are referring to this thread getting off-topic to discuss Lisa and Priscilla merely in the context of what all they do wrong and how they should conduct themselves, I agree with that as well. As such things relate to Graceland and the estate, fine. Otherwise such things should be in the Off Topic forum but still with some degree of respect, eh, folks?

I'm just trying to warn you how this thread is going to spin out of control. it has already started (see the post above this one).

[keke23]

All I'm gonna say on this so it don't get turned into another argument is that this so called "rumor" is about to happen from what my sources have told me, who happens to live and work in Whitehaven.

Plus, he's been 100% accurate on everything he's told me so far.

Go to the E1 forum and search my posts from back in 06, I posted back then what was about to happen, how much it was gonna cost and that it aint gonna be an amusement park.

I told Jay by phone even what was about to happen and that an announcement was comin soon....and it did.

He just related it to yall. But I aint got no issues with that. The truth is the truth.

So yall who wanna continue to discredit me and my info.....it's yalls loss, not mine.:)

[Lonniebealestreet]

Everyone needs to tone it down, all passive-aggressive tactics included.


Everything you just posted was nothin but provokin and attackin others views. Not to mention, completely wrong.
Contradicting yourself, no?


I provided a link with the facts. What did you provide other than a personal attack at me and Jay? But I'm not gonna go there.
It sounds like you did.


Maybe next time you should practice what you preach.
:)

I don't mean to pick on just you, Lakeisha. There are other examples of this but this post of yours was recent and therefore easy for me to quote. So I'm lazy.

It is natural for people to question things they don't have firsthand knowledge of...however they also need to question those things respectfully. Where that is not happening, let's try and do better, peeps.

Back to EP...

[utmom2008]

Very well said and AMEN!

Shoot she had red carpeting in her home in Beverly Hills in the '70's so she's last to talk about anything being gaudy...good grief I posted pics of her house in 75, so that says it all for me.
And yes she does act like she is the owner of Graceland, even having the nerve to sit in Elvis' chair.
You are 100% correct. The way that Cilla acted on the 16th on Larry King was unbelievable. If the casual observer had just flipped on the TV they would have said to themselves ":hmm:. I thought they were divorced when he died..:hmm:". The very way that she greets people when they enter and when they leave speaks volumes....this is HER house, lest we forget!! :D :blink:

[utmom2008]

Yup I'd read all that and then some pertaining to the sale. lol
How could she have given up commercial rights to a property she does not own? That Elvis made sure she didn't own????? I don't understand that at all.
I also don't understand why she's at Elvis or Graceland events at all? I wish Lisa would take more part in it...otherwise I have serious doubts of financially supporting any other ventures to do w/Graceland, not the surrounding area, but Graceland itself, maybe if the money stops flowing as easily LIsa will take a bigger interest or @ least remove Pris from much of it? I'd rather see Sillerman's mug then Prissy's.
Suzan...why is it that Lisa chooses not to take a bigger part in things? I always assumed that when she got older she would, but instead we are "treated" to Priscilla :lol: :lol:

[keke23]

Everyone needs to tone it down, all passive-aggressive tactics included.


Contradicting yourself, no?


It sounds like you did.


:)

I don't mean to pick on just you, Lakeisha. There are other examples of this but this post of yours was recent and therefore easy for me to quote. So I'm lazy.

It is natural for people to question things they don't have firsthand knowledge of...however they also need to question those things respectfully. Where that is not happening, let's try and do better, peeps.

Back to EP...

Oh, so it's ok for certain members to take cheap shots at me, same as harass me which is one of your rules, and call me a liar, but it's not ok for me to respond and defend myself? Whatever......:doh:

[Lonniebealestreet]

No, it's not OK for them to do those things, Lakeisha.

That's why I said however they also need to question those things respectfully. Where that is not happening, let's try and do better, peeps.

You didn't get an infraction.

I suggest we all be a little less inclined to offend and less prone to feeling offended. Stop looking for battles and drudging up prior ones.

No one here is a certified expert. On the same token no one knows how much others know. So decide for yourself what you choose to believe and leave the condemning to...well, no one.

[presley31]

No, it's not OK for them to do those things, Lakeisha.

That's why I said however they also need to question those things respectfully. Where that is not happening, let's try and do better, peeps.

You didn't get an infraction.

I suggest we all be a little less inclined to offend and less prone to feeling offended. Stop looking for battles and drudging up prior ones.

No one here is a certified expert. On the same token no one knows how much others know. So decide for yourself what you choose to believe and leave the condemning to...well, no one.

well said(y)(y) Hope some can take your advice and use it on the other threads so we can discuss things without getting heated.

[utmom2008]

I'm just trying to warn you how this thread is going to spin out of control. it has already started (see the post above this one).
You are right rocknroll. These "redoing" and "restoring" Graceland threads get heated and out of control 100% of the time. ;);)

[keke23]

I don't understand all the hatred towards the decisions to expand and restore Graceland.

It aint like it's yalls home they're doin it to, lol.

[presley31]

You are right rocknroll. These "redoing" and "restoring" Graceland threads get heated and out of control 100% of the time. ;);)

not just these threads that get heated, pris and MM are the worse.

[utmom2008]

I don't understand all the hatred towards the decisions to expand and restore Graceland.

It aint like it's yalls home they're doin it to, lol.
OK Lakeisha, you could have talked all day and not said that. You don't want to be "picked" on, we are asked to be more respectful of others, and yet that is your way of "getting the last word". It's not YOUR home either, so why do you get so bent out of shape over other's opinions??:D:D It's not a matter of hatred...it's a matter of the simple fact that Graceland can't be expanded.Don't expect to host yourself a pity party, and then take a parting shot such as that one. (n) (n) (n)

[Suzan]

OK Lakeisha, you could have talked all day and not said that. You don't want to be "picked" on, we are asked to be more respectful of others, and yet that is your way of "getting the last word". It's not YOUR home either, so why do you get so bent out of shape over other's opinions??:D:D It's not a matter of hatred...it's a matter of the simple fact that Graceland can't be expanded.Don't expect to host yourself a pity party, and then take a parting shot such as that one. (n) (n) (n)

Well said my friend, well said.(y):hug:

[keke23]

OK Lakeisha, you could have talked all day and not said that. You don't want to be "picked" on, we are asked to be more respectful of others, and yet that is your way of "getting the last word". It's not YOUR home either, so why do you get so bent out of shape over other's opinions??:D:D It's not a matter of hatred...it's a matter of the simple fact that Graceland can't be expanded.Don't expect to host yourself a pity party, and then take a parting shot such as that one. (n) (n) (n)

I'm sorry, but I don't see where I said anything wrong or was tryin to provoke an argument as you're doin by callin me out like this.

But whatever....it is what it is.

Some of yall take these changes wayyyyy too serious, as if it's affectin you perosnally.

The only reason I care at all is because it affects my old hood and my people in the long run.

And for the record......I'm not the one gettin all upset over other folks opinions. It's the other way around.

[Getlo]

Uuhmm.... maybe because it looked like a brothel and not half as many non-fans would visit because they would find the interior disgusting and in bad taste

The interior decor of Graceland would not make one bit of difference to the amount of people wanting to go and see the mansion.

You could turn the parlour into a bondage and discipline dungeon, and people from all over the world would still flock there.

[Suzan]

The interior decor of Graceland would not make one bit of difference to the amount of people wanting to go and see the mansion.

You could turn the parlour into a bondage and discipline dungeon, and people from all over the world would still flock there.

LOL ROF OMG loved that last sentence, you really have a wonderful way w/words! (y)
I don't think changing it (IF it were feasible or in the cards (which it isn't)) would make a derrnnnn bit of difference.:)

[utmom2008]

I'm sorry, but I don't see where I said anything wrong or was tryin to provoke an argument as you're doin by callin me out like this.

But whatever....it is what it is.

Some of yall take these changes wayyyyy too serious, as if it's affectin you perosnally.

The only reason I care at all is because it affects my old hood and my people in the long run.

And for the record......I'm not the one gettin all upset over other folks opinions. It's the other way around.
Really???:hmm::hmm: Then why are you the one that continually brings it up? ;);)

[utmom2008]

LOL ROF OMG loved that last sentence, you really have a wonderful way w/words! (y)
I don't think changing it (IF it were feasible or in the cards (which it isn't)) would make a derrnnnn bit of difference.:)
Well said Suzan(y)(y) I have never heard a single soul say "ya know, I sure would like to go and see the decor at Graceland..maybe get some ideas for that new home we are building". :lmfao: :lmfao:

[Suzan]

Well said Suzan(y)(y) I have never heard a single soul say "ya know, I sure would like to go and see the decor at Graceland..maybe get some ideas for that new home we are building". :lmfao: :lmfao:

:lmfao::lmfao: No can't say I've ever heard that one. :lmfao::lmfao:

Plus majority of us know that these are just fabrications Sillerman said nothing of the sort, it was taken out of context, meant to provoke and we fell into their trap. LOLROF LISA PRESLEY IS OWNER OF GRACELAND SHE WILL NOT EVER ok the refurbishing of Graceland. She had no say @ 13-14 when Pris did it but she sure has a voice in it now.:D

Let it be friend, some people just aren't happy unless they make other's miserable and a wise man once told me (who's opinion I value greatly) love those who can't and don't love themselves. ;)

[EDOEP]

Oh, so it's ok for certain members to take cheap shots at me, same as harass me which is one of your rules, and call me a liar, but it's not ok for me to respond and defend myself? Whatever......:doh:

lakeisha,

the 'harrassing' would certainly stop if only ONCE you could provide reliable sources for all your 'info', statistics, etc., because that's what people are wanting from you (i am aware that i continue to repeat myself several times with that quest).

could it be you're a bit slow on the uptake or are you simply lacking nameable sources?

if you don't want to be 'harassed' by being asked for them - do stop presenting your own opinion and rumours as facts and no one will keep asking you.

why don't you simply start your new thread with the words 'i heard unproved rumours and hearsay that .....', and everybody will know what it's all about.

ellie

[Johnny]

The interior decor of Graceland would not make one bit of difference to the amount of people wanting to go and see the mansion.

You could turn the parlour into a bondage and discipline dungeon, and people from all over the world would still flock there.

Yes, but only the fans - not the general public like now

[Suzan]

Yes, but only the fans - not the general public like now

I think they would, if for nothing else then the "curiousity" factor. But I think, seeing the decor (and hearing Elvis' didn't like it and had plans to redo Graceland again, apparently he entered the house the back way so he didn't have to look at it), anyway, if that decor had been left, as much as I think they shouldn't have tampered w/the house, the press and non fans would have had a field day with it. Some of us remember the decorating fiasco's of the 70's but some don't and they would have been in utter disbelief. LOL

I think, if they truly wanted it to look like Elvis knew it, they should have picked an era and stuck w/it, whether they went w/the 1950's after he purchased it and he and Gladys decorated, or the '60's pre and post Pris, or the '70's pre red phase. I def don't think they should have changed the grounds, and Vernon's office, etc...

The raquetball bldg. should have been left as is, they were making enough money where they could have possibly put another small museum across the street, attached to "Sincerely Elvis" to display the other accolades and gold records, etc...IMO :)

[Johnny]

But I think, seeing the decor (and hearing Elvis' didn't like it and had plans to redo Graceland again, apparently he entered the house the back way so he didn't have to look at it),

Say what now.... Elvis didn't like the red brothel-like (so I use my own words ;) decor), but yet he didn't change it :doh:; and how the he** do you escape seeing your extreme-red decor; what did he do when he wanted to go to, for example, the movies - climb out a window ? :lmfao: -


I think, if they truly wanted it to look like Elvis knew it, they should have picked an era and stuck w/it, whether they went w/the 1950's after he purchased it and he and Gladys decorated, or the '60's pre and post Pris, or the '70's pre red phase. I def don't think they should have changed the grounds, and Vernon's office, etc...

I have no idea how often the decor was changed in Graceland; but I like to think that the decor I see in pictures of the interior pretty much display the house as it was much of Elvis' lifetime, and did they change the grounds and Vernon's office?


The raquetball bldg. should have been left as is, they were making enough money where they could have possibly put another small museum across the street, attached to "Sincerely Elvis" to display the other accolades and gold records, etc...IMO :)

About the raquetball building - I've never been to Graceland, but isn't the 'field' that Elvis played on, now the whereabouts of their display of his gold albums? If so, then granted - that's not where he kept his gold records, as he played on that field on his last day. However, I doubt that they have had enough money to build a special museum to feature it - unlike now; I recall reading, around the time that Sillerman bought an 85% stake in EPE, about Lisa' spending, that it was nearly as much as Graceland was taking in and EPE denied any comment - was propably on some website; hopefully someone else remembers, and preferably remembers the source


But I like the decor as it is and think it was a wise choice, however there are some that like the red decor, and I don't understand it and never will; but that's the way it is (y)

[EP75]

For the ones who say this was fabricated, read it and weap. It is straight from the horses mouth.:D

Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died.

Although I already posted this on the locked thread about Sillerman's quote, here's the link again for those who want even more proof.
http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

By the way I am waiting for an apology.:D

[EDOEP]

For the ones who say this was fabricated, read it and weap. It is straight from the horses mouth.:D

Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died.

Although I already posted this on the locked thread about Sillerman's quote, here's the link again for those who want even more proof.
http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

By the way I am waiting for an apology.:D

honey,

the apologies will come rolling in by the dozens when you provide RELIABLE sources and not just this crappy tv-station that seems to be your one and only soure for all you sensations? is the use of other media prohibited in the state you live in? just curious.

by the way, should it have escaped your attention .... this report dates back to february 24th of the year 2006 (!!!)

quote
"Grand overhaul proposed for Graceland
Updated: Feb 24, 2006 02:02 AM"
unquote

are you getting delivered all you papers with a 21 months delay in your village or do you need 21 months for reading?

only asking because you frequently come up with such antiques as latest news .... and beginning to believe the latter might come pretty close to the truth :doh:

[EP75]

I think they would, if for nothing else then the "curiousity" factor. But I think, seeing the decor (and hearing Elvis' didn't like it and had plans to redo Graceland again, apparently he entered the house the back way so he didn't have to look at it), anyway, if that decor had been left, as much as I think they shouldn't have tampered w/the house, the press and non fans would have had a field day with it. Some of us remember the decorating fiasco's of the 70's but some don't and they would have been in utter disbelief. LOL

I think, if they truly wanted it to look like Elvis knew it, they should have picked an era and stuck w/it, whether they went w/the 1950's after he purchased it and he and Gladys decorated, or the '60's pre and post Pris, or the '70's pre red phase. I def don't think they should have changed the grounds, and Vernon's office, etc...

The raquetball bldg. should have been left as is, they were making enough money where they could have possibly put another small museum across the street, attached to "Sincerely Elvis" to display the other accolades and gold records, etc...IMO :)

I disagree. I loved the gold record display in the racquetball court. It was well designed and layed out. Seeing that wall of gold and platinum puts everything into perspective at just how big EP was and still is! It shows no matter how many records The Beatles or Michael Jackson or Garth Brooks has sold, nothing will ever compare to EP's worldwide sales and achievements. Back in 1993 when they debuted the new exhibit display, it was all over the national news. I had news clippings from our local Huntsville Times newspaper showing it in all it's glory. To me that was the most attractive thing that they had at Graceland when I was last there in 1995. Taking that out would be disappointing to me. Unless they put it in the new museum planned just as it looks now, maybe even bigger and even more elaborate.

Back in 1997 EPE announced to the fans during Elvis Week that they wanted to build a new museum across the street from Graceland but it never happened due to lack of funds. They were looking at a $10 million museum facility at the time. But unfortunately the money was not there to invest in such a project. This is why Lisa Marie wanted to expand by going into a merger with CKX and having the money backing to build their dream museum that is now being planned for the near future.

[EP75]

honey,

the apologies will come rolling in by the dozens when you provide RELIABLE sources and not just this crappy tv-station that seems to be your one and only soure for all you sensations? is the use of other media prohibited in the state you live in? just curious.

by the way, should it have escaped your attention .... this report dates back to february 24th of the year 2006 (!!!)

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"Grand overhaul proposed for Graceland
Updated: Feb 24, 2006 02:02 AM"
unquote

are you getting delivered all you papers with a 21 months delay in your village or do you need 21 months for reading?

only asking because you frequently come up with such antiques as latest news .... and beginning to believe the latter might come pretty close to the truth :doh:

I posted a link. I posted the proof. If that is not good enough for you than TOOO BAD!:angry:

[EDOEP]

I posted a link. I posted the proof. If that is not good enough for you than TOOO BAD!:angry:

absolutely, you got that right - that's not good enough for me.

probably, because i am fast reader .... i don't read 'news' almost 2 years old :lmfao:.

something in my stomach tells me i'm not the only one who needs less than 21 months for reading ..... :'(

[utmom2008]

For the ones who say this was fabricated, read it and weap. It is straight from the horses mouth.:D

Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died.

Although I already posted this on the locked thread about Sillerman's quote, here's the link again for those who want even more proof.
http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

By the way I am waiting for an apology.:D
I can't keep all these "Graceland" threads straight:hmm: I'm confused as to who wants the apology:hmm: EP75 and Lakeisha are always riled up about the negative feedback:hmm::D

[EP75]

absolutely, you got that right - that's not good enough for me.

probably, because i am fast reader .... i don't read 'news' almost 2 years old :lmfao:.

something in my stomach tells me i'm not the only one who needs less than 21 months for reading ..... :'(

What Bob Sillerman said in 2006 he repeated in August 2007 just with mroe updated and upgraded details. It does not matter what year it is from. It is still the same thing. But since that isn't good enough for you, then maybe this will be. It is from only a few months ago in August and is from USA TODAY, the ultimate news media paper. Although I wish that they would elave the court as is, it just goes to show changes are definitely coming and very soon.

"The estate's indoor racquetball court, which now holds the King's many luminescent jumpsuits, will be returned to its original state."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-08-13-elvis_N.htm

[EP75]

I can't keep all these "Graceland" threads straight:hmm: I'm confused as to who wants the apology:hmm: EP75 and Lakeisha are always riled up about the negative feedback:hmm::D

I started this thread so who do you think is asking for the apology? Or are you trying to start yet another argument and ruin another good thread?:hmm:

[cameron]

Anyone that's really interested can Google this "Graceland renovation."
It's in newspapers and on many web sites. I think the last one I read was April 2007. It is in the works ; just no one knows exactly how and when this will occur.

I think the "big thing" that caused a big uproar was how it was presented .
Everything , it seems is referred to as Graceland. That's not exactly true.
Graceland to most of the fans is the house. Graceland referred to in the news refers to the surrounding property that has been bought up to do all the things Sillerman is planning.

I'm happy to just wait and see.
IF everyone {including me :P} will stop posting on this thread; it will disappear .
Maybe until some of this comes to pass ?? :blink:

[utmom2008]

I started this thread so who do you think is asking for the apology? Or are you trying to start yet another argument and ruin another good thread?:hmm:
I'm not trying to "ruin" anything :D Everyone knows these threads get everyone riled up(n) Are you referring to the argument with Lakeisha?? As I said...I have trouble keeping the 2 of you and your threads seperate.;););)

[rocknroll]

Why is any of this even an issue? Sillerman can do nothing to Graceland - it isn't his house!

Mr./Ms. moderator - I warned you how this would go when Jay and Lakeisha are involved. It has been this way for years over three message boards.

Enjoy the ranting?:hmm:

[keke23]

Jay, just let it go.

They aint gonna listen. They're just gonna believe what they wanna until it's official. Even then they'll still be in denial as they are now.

You and I both know what's up, and they don't. So let them think what they wanna.

[epcomics]

I heard that after Elvis' death Vernon locked Elvis' room up for good. Does anyone know if this is true?

[rocknroll]

Jay, just let it go.

They aint gonna listen. They're just gonna believe what they wanna until it's official. Even then they'll still be in denial as they are now.

You and I both know what's up, and they don't. So let them think what they wanna.

Thank you. Best advise you've given in years.

[utmom2008]

Jay, just let it go.
Smart thinking on your part;)We will ALL let it go;)

[Suzan]

Say what now.... Elvis didn't like the red brothel-like (so I use my own words ;) decor), but yet he didn't change it :doh:; and how the he** do you escape seeing your extreme-red decor; what did he do when he wanted to go to, for example, the movies - climb out a window ? :lmfao: -
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It has been said, as stated that he used either the kitchen entrance or the back (den) entrance. Carport right off the kitchen, etc...only the front rooms done in the red.:)



I have no idea how often the decor was changed in Graceland; but I like to think that the decor I see in pictures of the interior pretty much display the house as it was much of Elvis' lifetime, and did they change the grounds and Vernon's office?
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In the '50's it was done by Elvis and Gladys and an interior decorator, re-done in the 60's and again mid late 60's. And redone in the '70's.
Yes they did change the grounds, quite noticably and yes Vernon's office was modified for the tours.:)



About the raquetball building - I've never been to Graceland, but isn't the 'field' that Elvis played on, now the whereabouts of their display of his gold albums? If so, then granted - that's not where he kept his gold records, as he played on that field on his last day. However, I doubt that they have had enough money to build a special museum to feature it - unlike now; I recall reading, around the time that Sillerman bought an 85% stake in EPE, about Lisa' spending, that it was nearly as much as Graceland was taking in and EPE denied any comment - was propably on some website; hopefully someone else remembers, and preferably remembers the source
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I've been there both b4 the opening in '78 when only grave was allowed for viewing (and 76-77) but gates closed. I went after it's opening and it was very much (grounds) as when Elvis left it and the trophy room still had the court, you actually got to go in and sit on folding chairs and watch a mini movie. Friends who go every year have said that it's changed quite a bit.
Oh also while there after it's opening there weren't any walkways in the backyard, and the cars were still in the carport. Vernon's office closed and Lisa's swing set was in the backyard against the fence leading to the back pasture, not where it is located today, and it was rusted out, not refurbished as it is now.
As for Graceland's financial thing, it took in $40+ mil. a year (EPE). This did not include worldwide publishing rights, etc... and they had 25 mil. in outstanding debt (it's been rumored that is one of the reasons for the memorbilia sale, to offset a larger debt), and it's still on the web the info and has been posted.:)


But I like the decor as it is and think it was a wise choice, however there are some that like the red decor, and I don't understand it and never will; but that's the way it is (y)
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Not saying I don't just saying they should have stuck w/an era not a mishmash and not stated he would recognize it if he came back, though shoot the facade is same, much has changed. Also stupid little thing I noticed but on the side window above the dinning room, 2nd floor, Elvis office, there used to be a window air conditioning unit, it's no longer there, which makes me think the upstairs is sealed up for most of the time.

[EDOEP]

What Bob Sillerman said in 2006 he repeated in August 2007 just with mroe updated and upgraded details. It does not matter what year it is from. It is still the same thing. But since that isn't good enough for you, then maybe this will be. It is from only a few months ago in August and is from USA TODAY, the ultimate news media paper. Although I wish that they would elave the court as is, it just goes to show changes are definitely coming and very soon.

"The estate's indoor racquetball court, which now holds the King's many luminescent jumpsuits, will be returned to its original state."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2007-08-13-elvis_N.htm

honey,

your mixing thins up again .... plus again lack the sources. your remarkable lack of logic is a pain in the proverbial for anybody who is able to think straight, IMHO.

1/ reg your source / link to USA today:

what has the raquetball court to do with the red furniture? 2 different things, only common point is the term 'redecoration'. i don't care if sillerman re-decorates the raquetball court since whatever it will look like - in any case it's different from the state it was in during elvis' lifetime. so any solution would be just as good or just as bad.

or was it equipped 'red & white' back then and elvis was playing with his all his golden records decorating the walls? new to me :hmm:.

2/ hence you're again lacking the link to the source where / the proof to when sillerman 'repeated' his feb 06 statements. provide it - and please not that crappy local tv station one more time! - and i'll check it out.

say, do you think you will ever be able to discuss with a little logic in your argumentation? one gets the feeling that you regard all your forummates here to be complete *****s, assuming they can't think straight? believe me, we are no *****s and we are able to do so.

we are not 'picking at you' or 'harrassing' you - we just poit out all the inconsistencies in your postings and allegend facts. start your brain before posting, honey!

ellie

[Suzan]

Here's what the Trophy Bldg. looked like when he was alive. :)

[Getlo]

Yes, but only the fans - not the general public like now


No, I meant the general public.

People go to Graceland because it was Elvis' home ... their decision to make the trip - or to return again - has absolutely nothing to do with the interior design of the house (which, let's be honest, is a recreation anyway.)

[Suzan]

No, I meant the general public.

People go to Graceland because it was Elvis' home ... their decision to make the trip - or to return again - has absolutely nothing to do with the interior design of the house (which, let's be honest, is a recreation anyway.)

True true true! :D(y)

[Johnny]

No, I meant the general public.

People go to Graceland because it was Elvis' home ... their decision to make the trip - or to return again - has absolutely nothing to do with the interior design of the house (which, let's be honest, is a recreation anyway.)

And I disagree

[Wendy56]

I liked Graceland in red... Those pictures look good. ;)

[Suzan]

I liked Graceland in red... Those pictures look good. ;)

Hi Wendy! :D

I agree, but I take it for what it is and the era in which it was done. :D

[cameron]

Personally, I don't like red. Blue is more my color.
But, I can't say it would bother me if they put it back to red.
IMO, fans go to see and feel Elvis. not the color of his front room.
It's up to the owners.

[Stryx]

Personally, I don't like red. Blue is more my color.
But, I can't say it would bother me if they put it back to red.
IMO, fans go to see and feel Elvis. not the color of his front room.
It's up to the owners.

IMO fans go to Graceland to see how Elvis lived.

Not how Priscilla restored it after both Elvis and his Dad died.

[cameron]

IMO fans go to Graceland to see how Elvis lived.

Not how Priscilla restored it after both Elvis and his Dad died.

Exactly. But, if a fan has never been to Graceland, the color of anything there is immaterial. ;)
It's the "feel" of being where Elvis lived.

The rest of us that have been there will just have to adjust.
Lisa is the owner , it will be what she wants, no matter what. :)

[Mark Jacobs]

I know from my own personal experience we didn't go to see Graceland just because Elvis Presley lived there. We went because it was a world famous tourist attraction just as was the Civil Rights Museum and the Pink Palace Museum in Memphis, Tn. I think a lot of visitors who aren't the crazy fans who think Elvis is still alive go there to see it because of it's fame. Not because he called it home. The fact he did live and die there adds to the attraction. But it's not the only reason people go there. Graceland is a tourist attraction that interests tourists.

I was disappointed in Graceland. To be such a world famous tourist attraction, me, my sister, and my dad expected much more and in a better atmosphere. There weren't any fascinating attractions. There weren't any nice upscale restaurants or even a good hotel that was safe to stay at in the area. But then we were told by a Graceland employee that things were about to change big time and for better with modern day hi tech attractions and a resort.

Kids like my kid sister don't get Elvis' importance and legacy. So they gotta do things to entice them to like and understand who he was and wanna go to Graceland like they would Disneyland. That's why there's gonna be changes, we were told.

I don't think it matters if they change the interior of the house to something else that it was when he was alive. The only people who would notice it are the big fans who know everything about Elvis. The general public wouldn't know or care. They would see it as it was.

One more thing. Why is it that these two individuals, EP75 and Lakeisha are always targeted with hostility towards them?

[cameron]

You'll have to ask others . I've not been here long enough to know either of them well.
Not exactly welcoming ,huh?

[cameron]

I thought this was interesting; pertaining to Graceland and Elvis .

http://www.nps.gov/nhl/designations/samples/tn/Graceland.pdf

[tcbeus]

I thought this was interesting; pertaining to Graceland.

http://www.nps.gov/nhl/designations/samples/tn/Graceland.pdf

Yes,it was.Thank you!

[cameron]

Yes,it was.Thank you!

Thanks. For a little while he helped me remember why I put up with all the hatefulness and bitterness in this Elvis world.
He was worth it !! (y)(y)

[utmom2008]

And I disagree
Interesting:hmm::hmm:Why do you disagree? To be honest....I have never known anyone that said they really wanted to get to Memphis to see Graceland because of the way it is/isn't decorated? IMO...."decoration" is way down on the list

[utmom2008]

Exactly. But, if a fan has never been to Graceland, the color of anything there is immaterial. ;)
It's the "feel" of being where Elvis lived.




True(y)(y) As Diane Sawyer said last August "for many it has become a spiritual journey":blush:

[utmom2008]

One more thing. Why is it that these two individuals, EP75 and Lakeisha are always targeted with hostility towards them?

Interesting question Mark:hmm:Read back over most of their threads and you will find that many are redundant, and they are posted knowing full well what kind of reaction they will bring;);)

[Suzan]

Interesting question Mark:hmm:Read back over most of their threads and you will find that many are redundant, and they are posted knowing full well what kind of reaction they will bring;);)

True utmom!:D

Also this post itself is suspect from one who is very new...IMO ;) Has a ring of familiarity to it. ;)

[Suzan]

Hmmm did someone overlook the "Heartbreak Hotel" or perhaps the "Peabody"? The Peabody is a beautiful and safe hotel, and there are such things as cabs, rental cars, shuttles and if you and your, mmm, family, drove you already had a car to get around in.:)

[utmom2008]

True utmom!:D

Also this post itself is suspect from one who is very new...IMO ;) Has a ring of familiarity to it. ;)
:hmm::hmm: I wondered the same thing:hmm: :D

[Suzan]

:hmm::hmm: I wondered the same thing:hmm: :D

I knew you would get it.(y) This is the second such post and the last sentence this person has stated more then once....:hmm::hmm::hmm: ;)

[rocknroll]

I know from my own personal experience we didn't go to see Graceland just because Elvis Presley lived there. We went because it was a world famous tourist attraction just as was the Civil Rights Museum and the Pink Palace Museum in Memphis, Tn. I think a lot of visitors who aren't the crazy fans who think Elvis is still alive go there to see it because of it's fame. Not because he called it home. The fact he did live and die there adds to the attraction. But it's not the only reason people go there. Graceland is a tourist attraction that interests tourists.

I was disappointed in Graceland. To be such a world famous tourist attraction, me, my sister, and my dad expected much more and in a better atmosphere. There weren't any fascinating attractions. There weren't any nice upscale restaurants or even a good hotel that was safe to stay at in the area. But then we were told by a Graceland employee that things were about to change big time and for better with modern day hi tech attractions and a resort.

Kids like my kid sister don't get Elvis' importance and legacy. So they gotta do things to entice them to like and understand who he was and wanna go to Graceland like they would Disneyland. That's why there's gonna be changes, we were told.

I don't think it matters if they change the interior of the house to something else that it was when he was alive. The only people who would notice it are the big fans who know everything about Elvis. The general public wouldn't know or care. They would see it as it was.

One more thing. Why is it that these two individuals, EP75 and Lakeisha are always targeted with hostility towards them?

Welcome to the board Mark. Where are you from? Huntsville, Ala. or Memphis, Tenn. :D

[utmom2008]

Welcome to the board Mark. Where are you from? Huntsville, Ala. or Memphis, Tenn. :D
:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[EDOEP]

:hmm::hmm: I wondered the same thing:hmm: :D

so do i .... :hmm: - interesting, that 'new users' jump not at elvis-related threads but more peripheral topics and immediately start asking questions that they could easily answer themselves .... since they obviously read the threads 'thoroughly'.

:D

ladies, hugs :hug:, ellie

[Stryx]

Exactly. But, if a fan has never been to Graceland, the color of anything there is immaterial. ;)
It's the "feel" of being where Elvis lived.

The rest of us that have been there will just have to adjust.
Lisa is the owner , it will be what she wants, no matter what. :)


Most who go to Graceland are not aware of the redecoration and im willing to bet quite a few would be displeased if they it had been redcorated after Elvis died.

Of course the feeling is important but so is authenticity :doh:

Apparently it will be put back to the way it was when Elvis died and I haven't heard Lisa voicing any problems about it.

Of course Lisa wasn't old enough to approve the original decision to change it.

[Getlo]

One more thing. Why is it that these two individuals, EP75 and Lakeisha are always targeted with hostility towards them?

Simple.

These "two people" post information that sometimes has no source, and with deliberately provocative titles, eg "Graceland will no longer be a house tour" or whatever the exact title was.

Or stuff like the "fact" that Graceland was at one time scheduled for demolition to make way for a highway. ;)

Then, when they're asked for their sources, they metaphorically take their ball and go home.

[cameron]

Most who go to Graceland are not aware of the redecoration and im willing to bet quite a few would be displeased if they it had been redcorated after Elvis died.

Of course the feeling is important but so is authenticity :doh:

Apparently it will be put back to the way it was when Elvis died and I haven't heard Lisa voicing any problems about it.

Of course Lisa wasn't old enough to approve the original decision to change it.
I suppose you're right as to some " hard-core fans".
I guess I'm not one of them.
To me it doesn't matter what the colors of anything are.
I've read where the refrigerator had to be replaced {different color too}
Things like people wear out. The house itself is the same, IMO.

[cameron]

Simple.

These "two people" post information that sometimes has no source, and with deliberately provocative titles, eg "Graceland will no longer be a house tour" or whatever the exact title was.

Or stuff like the "fact" that Graceland was at one time scheduled for demolition to make way for a highway. ;)

Then, when they're asked for their sources, they metaphorically take their ball and go home.
For once I have to agree with you ,the short time I've been here .;)
Also saw that on other sites.

To solve all the "bickering and insults " . I find it's much easier to not post on those threads IMO. {though many continue to do so, including myself }

[Donut]

I think it isn´t a matter of what color is nicer, to me the problem is they redecorated it becuase SHE/THEY didn´t like it THE WAY ELVIS HAD IT.
It was HIS house and he could have it look the way he wanted and I don´t think it was a right thing to do to change it the way SHE/THEY thought he should have decorated it or try go back in time and get it the way it was when Priscilla lived there as if his life ended the day she left.

[MissyM]

My thoughts exactly Donut. There is a story about him in the decorating. Maybe a story some don't like. (like him letting Linda do it) but it is still about Elvis. Now I want to know where that furniture and stuff is from when he died. Is it in storage, worthy to be sold at a later date? Or already sold???

[Donut]

My thoughts exactly Donut. There is a story about him in the decorating. Maybe a story some don't like. (like him letting Linda do it) but it is still about Elvis. Now I want to know where that furniture and stuff is from when he died. Is it in storage, worthy to be sold at a later date? Or already sold???

They have some of it on display at Graceland (you can see some pictures of it here in the galery)I think the rest is in storage.
To me it seems like she tried to rewrite history(again) and pretend some things never happened in his life.

[EDOEP]

My thoughts exactly Donut. There is a story about him in the decorating. Maybe a story some don't like. (like him letting Linda do it) but it is still about Elvis. Now I want to know where that furniture and stuff is from when he died. Is it in storage, worthy to be sold at a later date? Or already sold???

dear MissyM,

do you happen to know where in a report or interview his part in the decorating is mentioned? would be very grateful.

i agree with you that priscilla should have left it the way it actually was in 77 - no matter if it was tacky (resp. even tackier than 'her' blue-white version which is miles away from good taste as well). i do doubt though - see my postings - that this is likely to happen.

hugs, ellie

[presley31]

Priscilla's colouring was better than the red in my opinion.

[EDOEP]

Priscilla's colouring was better than the red in my opinion.

i absolutely agree that it was 'better', 'better' however is still VERY far from 'good taste'.

plus i do doubt it was her who was the main creator of that style. when she moved to GL a significant part of the furniture probably already existed.

hugs, ellie

[elvis himselvis]

I think it isn´t a matter of what color is nicer, to me the problem is they redecorated it becuase SHE/THEY didn´t like it THE WAY ELVIS HAD IT.
It was HIS house and he could have it look the way he wanted and I don´t think it was a right thing to do to change it the way SHE/THEY thought he should have decorated it or try go back in time and get it the way it was when Priscilla lived there as if his life ended the day she left.

I agree with you,he didn't die when she left him and the house wasn't the same as when she lived there and when he died there...she should have let it the way it was when he died.

[utmom2008]

dear MissyM,

do you happen to know where in a report or interview his part in the decorating is mentioned? would be very grateful.

i agree with you that priscilla should have left it the way it actually was in 77 - no matter if it was tacky (resp. even tackier than 'her' blue-white version which is miles away from good taste as well). i do doubt though - see my postings - that this is likely to happen.

hugs, ellie
(y)(y) Great point! The decorating comes down to "tacky", "tackier" or "tackiest" IMO

[utmom2008]

i absolutely agree that it was 'better', 'better' however is still VERY far from 'good taste'.

plus i do doubt it was her who was the main creator of that style. when she moved to GL a significant part of the furniture probably already existed.

hugs, ellie
:D:D "Better" is a very relative word in this case! :D

[utmom2008]

Simple.

These "two people" post information that sometimes has no source, and with deliberately provocative titles, eg "Graceland will no longer be a house tour" or whatever the exact title was.

Or stuff like the "fact" that Graceland was at one time scheduled for demolition to make way for a highway. ;)

Then, when they're asked for their sources, they metaphorically take their ball and go home.
"Graceland was scheduled for demolition to make way for a highway". I'm so sorry I missed all the fun that must have gone along with that post:D:lol:

[EDOEP]

(y)(y) Great point! The decorating comes down to "tacky", "tackier" or "tackiest" IMO

LOOOL, you say it. the next step would be 'tacky', 'tackier', 'tackiest', 'jungle room'.

hugs, ellie

[keke23]

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[rocknroll]

....and away we go again.

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[utmom2008]

Are you black? Because that's what the "B" stands for.

Don't worry about what me and Cameron talked about. That's our bizz.

A certain member trashed her, who trashes me and Jay, and was lettin her know about it.
I know full well what the B stands for ;);) It just never occurred to me to ever respond with LMWAO :hmm:

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[keke23]

Also, please post the link to where Cameron was "trashed" by another member here.

What was Elvis' dog's name? There's your answer.

BTW, check your PM.

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[presley31]

If you all leave eachtogther alone there woudn't be problems.

[utmom2008]

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[cameron]

That's true. Lakeisha did PM me.
However, I don't post my PM's , no matter what is said or who says it.

I don't think I was "trashed" . Just harrassed.
I find many sites that way, unfortunately.
Probably time to find another friendlier one toward Elvis .(y)

[presley31]

That's true. Lakeisha did PM me.
However, I don't post my PM's , no matter what is said or who says it.

I don't think I was "trashed" . Just harrassed.
I find many sites that way, unfortunately.
Probably time to find another friendlier one toward Elvis .(y)

let me know when you find one, l will follow you:D

[rocknroll]

let me know when you find one, l will follow you:D

There aren't many that are better than this one.

[Diane]

(y)(y)(y) Rocknroll, you're right, in spite of the bickering it's a heck of a lot cleaner that most!


Diane

[KPM]

(y)(y)(y) Rocknroll, you're right, in spite of the bickering it's a heck of a lot cleaner that most!


Diane
Why the bickering persists is beyond me. Is bickering fun? It seems that the point of a forum is to exchange ideas and information in a friendly spirit. That is at least what I think. Healthy disagreement is good, while arguing just leads to more arguing.

[presley31]

Why the bickering persists is beyond me. Is bickering fun? It seems that the point of a forum is to exchange ideas and information in a friendly spirit. That is at least what I think. Healthy disagreement is good, while arguing just leads to more arguing.

l agree KPM, theres no need to bricker with anybody about anything.

[cameron]

This is an excellent site . It's what kept me here .(y)
The fighting and fussing, I can do without. It ceases to be fun; just another headache in my long days of headaches sometimes. ;)

I talk about Elvis with like-minded people . It's relaxing.
I don't appreciate seeing all the arguements or hateful comments .
Either about Elvis or anyone else.

[Suzan]

My thoughts exactly Donut. There is a story about him in the decorating. Maybe a story some don't like. (like him letting Linda do it) but it is still about Elvis. Now I want to know where that furniture and stuff is from when he died. Is it in storage, worthy to be sold at a later date? Or already sold???

Some was sold @ the auction in Vegas, some is on display in the annex (old apartment area) and some is in storage.:)

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[Suzan]

Welcome to the board Mark. Where are you from? Huntsville, Ala. or Memphis, Tenn. :D

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::clap::hug: Excellent! :D

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[Getlo]

Also typical is your race card you always pull.


Thin ice, dude, very thin ice.

Let's not see anything turned into a stoush based on race or colour!

Peace out ...

[Getlo]

What was Elvis' dog's name? There's your answer.


Was it Lassie? ... Rin Tin Tin ... Snoopy? ....

No, wait ... I know this. It's on the tip of my tongue.

Is it ... and I'm taking a wild stab here .. is it Getlo?

And, if it is me you're referring to, can you tell me where I trashed cameron? I have, indeed, implied that she and ajr are one and the same (although as JJ said it is not conclusive), but I wouldn't call that trashing. Cameron actually agreed with one of my posts a while back; we may disagree quite a lot, but I don't believe she and I have trashed each other.


Don't worry about what me and Cameron talked about. That's our bizz. A certain member trashed her, who trashes me and Jay, and was lettin her know about it.

You must be mistaken. Isn't cameron a male, as they have pointed out in some other threads?

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[Suzan]

You must be mistaken. Isn't cameron a male, as they have pointed out in some other threads?[/QUOTE]

I posted the same thing regarding that, LOL...interesting.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Another thread going down the tubes........ Do I have to close this one? :mad:

[Suzan]

Another thread going down the tubes........ Do I have to close this one? :mad:

No, you have my sincere apologies, did you get my thing I sent? :) I know like you've nothing else to do but check what I sent, lol, but thought I'd ask.:notworthy :hug:

[cameron]

You must be mistaken. Isn't cameron a male, as they have pointed out in some other threads?

I posted the same thing regarding that, LOL...interesting.[/QUOTE]

I gave up arguing about whether I'm a male or female.
I AM all male . You could ask my ex-wife , I suppose.;)

I've been called ajr, Memphis "something" and one other name I can't remember . I've decided ,as I run onto some things they've said, our opinions are some of the same. So, anyone can call me whatever they choose, I've decided....in the interest of trying to keep on topic occasionally. :)

[Suzan]

I posted the same thing regarding that, LOL...interesting.

I gave up arguing about whether I'm a male or female.
I AM all male . You could ask my ex-wife , I suppose.;)

I've been called ajr, Memphis "something" and one other name I can't remember . I've decided ,as I run onto some things they've said, our opinions are some of the same. So, anyone can call me whatever they choose, I've decided....in the interest of trying to keep on topic occasionally. :)[/QUOTE]

That is what I thought you'd said. Ah well...
Yeah staying on topic would be lovely...I've tried on several threads to swing it back to topic and gave up. LOL

[rocknroll]

Let's not see anything turned into a stoush based on race or colour!

I won't.....but she will. Stating a fact is not skating on thin ice, unless the worries of the PC world keep you up at night.

[MissyM]

People call Graceland at the time of Elvis's death...tacky. I get that. But when Elvis wore clothes that were "out there" people had plenty to say about that too. Let's face it Elvis could be tacky (for lack of better words) His taste was extravegant. He liked bold, and what he thought was "rich" looking. Look at his jewelery, his clothes through time, his cars. He very much "over-did" things. I think it comes from being poor. My MIL was the same way. Her red and gold living room I thought was tacky and overdone for sure. But that was her. So what I am saying is that Elvis was into Living large and if that is what he was about, the symbols of it should not be changed. But I realize that is just my personal opinion. Flambouyant=Elvis. I thought Graceland was opened to embrass all of who Elvis was, so to me, changing it Embrasses what Cilla was. But again my opinion.

[Donut]

I thought Graceland was opened to embrass all of who Elvis was, so to me, changing it Embrasses what Cilla was. But again my opinion.

Or what means the same, that Priscilla didn´t like who and what Elvis was.

[Suzan]

Or what means the same, that Priscilla didn´t like who and what Elvis was.

And again this is why I love your posts, because to me they ring true, I think that is exactly what the issue was, and I also think she was jealous of Linda, she once said to Elvis "You couldn't take your wife with you, but you take your girlfriend everywhere", well maybe if she was pleasant like Linda he would have. I think Pris wanted her behind on two seats. LOL

[Suzan]

MissyM you make some very good and interesting points. And again some of that was the style of the day, and again Pris had red carpeting (or rust) w/big bulky furniture in her Beverly Hills home in '74-75 so she's the last one qualified to call Graceland tacky.

[TLC67]

Cameron...don't leave. Best thing to do is ignore offensive posts as if they don't exist.
I say just get right back on topic.
I am reading Careless Love and it mentions that there were red cushions on the dining chairs even back in the 60's, so I don't think it was all Linda's doings!

[EP75]

Moderators-I applaud you for FINALLY taking notice and taking control and deleting the useless garbage of personal attacks that is OFF TOPIC and uncalled for. Great job!(y)

[EP75]

Here's an idea. Why not just redesign the living room at Graceland in red and white (it's original colors) only for the Christmas holidays and the blue and white for the rest of the time? That way it fits in and there would be zero complaining about it being tacky off. This would be their best logical option if you ask me.

[KPM]

I know from my own personal experience we didn't go to see Graceland just because Elvis Presley lived there. We went because it was a world famous tourist attraction just as was the Civil Rights Museum and the Pink Palace Museum in Memphis, Tn. I think a lot of visitors who aren't the crazy fans who think Elvis is still alive go there to see it because of it's fame. Not because he called it home. The fact he did live and die there adds to the attraction. But it's not the only reason people go there. Graceland is a tourist attraction that interests tourists.I was disappointed in Graceland. To be such a world famous tourist attraction, me, my sister, and my dad expected much more and in a better atmosphere. There weren't any fascinating attractions. There weren't any nice upscale restaurants or even a good hotel that was safe to stay at in the area. But then we were told by a Graceland employee that things were about to change big time and for better with modern day hi tech attractions and a resort.

Kids like my kid sister don't get Elvis' importance and legacy. So they gotta do things to entice them to like and understand who he was and wanna go to Graceland like they would Disneyland. That's why there's gonna be changes, we were told.

I don't think it matters if they change the interior of the house to something else that it was when he was alive. The only people who would notice it are the big fans who know everything about Elvis. The general public wouldn't know or care. They would see it as it was.

One more thing. Why is it that these two individuals, EP75 and Lakeisha are always targeted with hostility towards them?

Thats a curious statement IMO. The only reason it is a tourist attraction is because it is Elvis's home. So the fact that he lived there is the basic reason people want to see it-IMO. If he had not called it home and lived there- it would not be a tourist attraction.
I don't really care what color is paramount in "Elvis's home" he changed it several times in his life there. Had Elvis died earlier the scheme of the house would have not been red-so its really to me not an issue. Had he lived I'm sure down the line he would have redecorated again and again as the mood hit him. He was flamboyant and I can see where some might think it should stay as it was when he died, I just personally don't see it as that big a deal.
It was his home and it changed yearly-but mainly, most importantly, it was his home. Thats the attraction.

[TLC67]

I know from my own personal experience we didn't go to see Graceland just because Elvis Presley lived there. We went because it was a world famous tourist attraction just as was the Civil Rights Museum and the Pink Palace Museum in Memphis, Tn. I think a lot of visitors who aren't the crazy fans who think Elvis is still alive go there to see it because of it's fame. Not because he called it home. The fact he did live and die there adds to the attraction. But it's not the only reason people go there. Graceland is a tourist attraction that interests tourists.

I was disappointed in Graceland. To be such a world famous tourist attraction, me, my sister, and my dad expected much more and in a better atmosphere. There weren't any fascinating attractions. There weren't any nice upscale restaurants or even a good hotel that was safe to stay at in the area. But then we were told by a Graceland employee that things were about to change big time and for better with modern day hi tech attractions and a resort.

Kids like my kid sister don't get Elvis' importance and legacy. So they gotta do things to entice them to like and understand who he was and wanna go to Graceland like they would Disneyland. That's why there's gonna be changes, we were told.

I don't think it matters if they change the interior of the house to something else that it was when he was alive. The only people who would notice it are the big fans who know everything about Elvis. The general public wouldn't know or care. They would see it as it was.

That is exactly why a lot of true Elvis fans want Graceland to stay the way it is. We go because he lived there, not because of other attractions in the area and really don't care about the "general public". Putting all those things around Graceland still will not help people understand who he was or his legacy. Only putting your nose in a book and his music will do that. God forbid that it becomes like Disneyland. Once that happens, many of us will not continue to visit.
As for the color scheme, I really don't think that matters but I would prefer it to at least be one that was from when he was living there.
Can you believe that I feel this way AND know Elvis is dead?;)

[Getlo]

It was his home and it changed yearly.

Graceland was not redecorated yearly.

[KPM]

Graceland was not redecorated yearly.
Pal, I did not say "redecorated" I said it changed yearly-every home does. Sometimes big changes, and also little changes-the point being it did not just set stagnant.

[Miss Clawdy]

That is exactly why a lot of true Elvis fans want Graceland to stay the way it is. We go because he lived there, not because of other attractions in the area and really don't care about the "general public". Putting all those things around Graceland still will not help people understand who he was or his legacy. Only putting your nose in a book and his music will do that. God forbid that it becomes like Disneyland. Once that happens, many of us will not continue to visit.
As for the color scheme, I really don't think that matters but I would prefer it to at least be one that was from when he was living there.
Can you believe that I feel this way AND know Elvis is dead?;)

Exactly!!!(y)

[Lonniebealestreet]

Here's an idea. Why not just redesign the living room at Graceland in red and white (it's original colors) only for the Christmas holidays and the blue and white for the rest of the time? That way it fits in and there would be zero complaining about it being tacky off. This would be their best logical option if you ask me.

Fine idea...I would definitely support that.

Not sure if they would be up for that amount of effort but that would be a great way to give representation of the two basic looks of the main floor during his lifetime. It would mean what is probably the more tasteful look being presented a majority of the time, and the red would probably look more appealing with all the Christmas decorations up. It might also make for more visits to Graceland during an off-time of year, so the curious can see it in red.

Seems like a win-win!

[keke23]

That is exactly why a lot of true Elvis fans want Graceland to stay the way it is. We go because he lived there, not because of other attractions in the area and really don't care about the "general public". Putting all those things around Graceland still will not help people understand who he was or his legacy. Only putting your nose in a book and his music will do that. God forbid that it becomes like Disneyland. Once that happens, many of us will not continue to visit.
As for the color scheme, I really don't think that matters but I would prefer it to at least be one that was from when he was living there.
Can you believe that I feel this way AND know Elvis is dead?;)

Personally, I hope it does become a place like Disney.

Disney attracts kids, young adults, and families, and most importantly.....brings in big $$$$$ for the economy.

That'd mean Graceland would be more younger fan oriented like me than it is now and Whitehaven and Memphis in general would see our poor economy skyrocket like never before!

If that does happen, then the media wouldn't make the fans look like freaks who think he's still alive.

All the media ever focuses on is the old grandmothers and their little grandchildren they make go with them.

They don't show the teenagers who go BY THEMSELVES and appreciate what he was about, as an entertainer and not a God, as some of the older fans think of him.

The changes will draw more kids and families than it does now and it'll be in the same breath as Disney.

Elvis may have been from a different era, but he's for much more than just his generation.

I agree with Jay as well about the decoratin at Xmas time.

[rocknroll]

They don't show the teenagers who go BY THEMSELVES and appreciate what he was about, as an entertainer and not a God, as some of the older fans think of him.


Wow, where do you come up with some of this stuff?

Tell me, just what do you consider to be an "older fan"? Give me some ages.

[keke23]

Wow, where do you come up with some of this stuff?

Tell me, just what do you consider to be an "older fan"? Give me some ages.

Elvis' generation 50 on up.

[utmom2008]

Elvis' generation 50 on up.
50 is NOT Elvis' generation...at all ;);)

[utmom2008]

Personally, I hope it does become a place like Disney.


WOW....I don't think any of us realized that:P Thanks for sharing;);)

[KPM]

I'm all for drawing young people to Elvis and his music. But I'm not sure a "Disneyland" atmosphere is what I would envision to do that.
I'm 52- my parents were Elvis's generation I was born in 1955 so I did not know who he was until 1962.
I can say if I go to Memphis-Graceland is what I want to see.
Beale Street, Sun Records, Elvis's Plane would also be things I'd probably want to visit. But Memphis and EPE have a right to do whatever they want to-lets just hope its the right thing in the long run.

[keke23]

I've never been to Disneyland, but from seein it on tv, it's amazing, kind of fantasy world.

As for EPE/Sillerman, they'd be commitin suicide to try and turn Graceland into an amusement park.

But they'd be buildin on the future if they expand it to be as attractable like Disney is.

The whole area would greatly benefit from the expansion and would grow.

Whitehaven had a 20% increase among new residents from 2006 to 07.

A new and better Graceland would make that area become the world class shinin star of all of Memphis!

Im talkin about the attraction area, not the house.

[EP75]

Fine idea...I would definitely support that.

Not sure if they would be up for that amount of effort but that would be a great way to give representation of the two basic looks of the main floor during his lifetime. It would mean what is probably the more tasteful look being presented a majority of the time, and the red would probably look more appealing with all the Christmas decorations up. It might also make for more visits to Graceland during an off-time of year, so the curious can see it in red.

Seems like a win-win!

Thanks Lonnie!(y) I think it can work. All that they would have to do is replace the drapes in the living room from blue to red. Maybe put up a Christmas tree like EP did when he was there.

[EP75]

Personally, I hope it does become a place like Disney.

Disney attracts kids, young adults, and families, and most importantly.....brings in big $$$$$ for the economy.
Oh Lord! Here comes the anti-Bob Sillerman crowd.:supriced:


That'd mean Graceland would be more younger fan oriented like me than it is now and Whitehaven and Memphis in general would see our poor economy skyrocket like never before!

If that does happen, then the media wouldn't make the fans look like freaks who think he's still alive.

Here comes the older fans.:supriced:


All the media ever focuses on is the old grandmothers and their little grandchildren they make go with them.

They don't show the teenagers who go BY THEMSELVES and appreciate what he was about, as an entertainer and not a God, as some of the older fans think of him.

That is 100% accurate there.(y)


The changes will draw more kids and families than it does now and it'll be in the same breath as Disney.

Elvis may have been from a different era, but he's for much more than just his generation.

I agree with Jay as well about the decoratin at Xmas time.

That seems to be Bob Sillerman's plan-is to have it on par with the Disney World Resort in Orlando. And thanls for the support.(y)(y)(y)

[Suzan]

People not Graceland, SURROUNDING AREA, don't let the title and the context into which it's being twisted fool you. :D
Graceland itself, as stated by the HOME OWNER, will not change.:):D

Everytime I see such threads I hear the twilight music start to play. LOL

[Suzan]

Good grief.

[Johnny]

I'm 52.


Then how come your still alive? As my sources, whom shall remain nameless - but are very big in the administration of heaven, have informed me that nobody lives past 50.

And my sources have never been wrong.

:P

[Getlo]

Personally, I hope it does become a place like Disney.

Disney is a cliche; a money-making, plastic mirage designed only to further the corporate image and dollars of the soulless Disney Corporation. Your true colours are exposed now: there is no spirit behind these proposed changes. Just vile. (n)


I agree with Jay as well about the decoratin at Xmas time.

Big surprise. ;)

[Getlo]

And thanls for the support.(y)(y)(y)

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[TLC67]

Disney is a cliche; a money-making, plastic mirage designed only to further the corporate image and dollars of the soulless Disney Corporation. .... there is no spirit behind these proposed changes. Just vile. (n)

Yes, that is so true. If people looked at the business end and not all the lights and glitter, they could see that. But I guess some are too young yet to care about that.

[presley31]

We will see if this happens or not, but l'am all for the new changes outside of graceland.

[cameron]

It appears there are some that obsess about all this.
For the life of me; I don't see why. :doh:

IF changes are to come { as with everything} there will be both good and bad. No, I certainly don't think any crazy things should be done; such as an amusement park right on top of Geaceland.

IF you're from there, live there or been there : surely , you know there's much more to see and do other than Graceland.
Added to what KPM said; there's MLK Jr., Beebe King, the Peabody Hotel etc. etc.Memphis also has a zoo and other things kids would enjoy.
Beale Street is always good for a laugh, good music , fraternizing and drinking. Probaly "friendly women or men" whatever your preference .

In the long run; whatever happens, it's up to Lisa and/or Sillerman.
We need to stop worrying about this until there's something to really worry about.......:IMO hmm:

[john carpenter]

Well for one i like the furnishings now. If anyone wants Graceland to look like it did on August 16, 1977,well lets bring back the ugly red carpet on the doors,and have the cars outback under the carport to rust in the rain ok? i uderstand the nostalgia aspect of wanting it be as it was when he died,but sometime change is good. Anyone with me on this?

[Suzan]

Well for one i like the furnishings now. If anyone wants Graceland to look like it did on August 16, 1977,well lets bring back the ugly red carpet on the doors,and have the cars outback under the carport to rust in the rain ok? i uderstand the nostalgia aspect of wanting it be as it was when he died,but sometime change is good. Anyone with me on this?

(y) LOL

I was there when the car's were under the carport, though while great to see and more personal I can totally understand why they moved them to the car museum, imagine if all these years they were to have remained where they were, they would be ruined and we would not have the pleasure of viewing such a great (what is now) expensive and valuable car collection, not to mention the toys, like the Harley Davidson golf cart, or his motorcycle's. So to me that is ok.

In as much as I would have loved to seen Graceland the way he saw it b4 his passing (but I would love to have seen it that way if he would have given me the tour LOL) I can only imagine the field day SOME of the press would have with it...look at what some media and general public say now about the jungle room...even the overall decor of the public rooms...I cringe to think what would be said w/the "red" decor in place.

But all this is mute as the house will NOT be touched...if anything is to change on the premises it will be the raquetball building and maybe, a small maybe, the annex.

[retroprincess]

Maybe I'm tacky, but I actually like the red and white decor!!! So I would love to see this restored.

And I'm one of the younger (under 50) ones LOLROF!!!