December 5th 1976 9pm Show...A fan remembers

[Unchained Melody]

Tonight I listened to Elvis' 9m performance on December 5th 1976 Las Vegas concert..I found this review of a fan who was at the show and wanted to share it with you. Let me warn you, it's not a warm feeling you get after reading it.

"It's December 5th 1976, and again we're seated at the back of the Hilton Show Room. We're to witness the 9 o clock show that Sunday evening. After some 25 minutes of Jackie Kahane, we look at our watches and wonder why hasn't he closed his act yet. Behine the gold coloured curtain we see some movement. Kahane walks to the curtain and listens for a minute or two. "Ladies and gentlement I'm being asked to go on just a little bit longer there seems to be a few minor problems upstairs in Elvis' suite. Elvis seemingly Sprained his ankle, But don't you worry, he'll be on stage shortly. Long Intermission...Lights Dim.

'Also Sprach Zarathustra' begins. The curtain goes up and the band rips into a beat. Our eyes from the left to the right side of the stage. We are nervous, and so are the musicians. Wilkinson and Burton look at each other like 'what the hell is going on'. Finally There's Elvis!

From the left side of the stage, Elvis leaning on Charlie Hodge, LIMPS on. He looks bad. His face is pale and bloated, and his hair wet and hanging down over his eyes. It's like he came out from under the shower. The band's playing is very tense. It's an eerie atmosphere when Charlie hands Elvis his guitar. He grins sleepishly and stumbles to the microphone. My first impression of seeing him like this is that of a man who has had to many drinks. After finishing "See See Rider" he explains to the audience why hes late. A not-so-convincing story about having slipped in the bathroom and sprained his ankle. His voice is slurred and he is not in control of his body movements.

Elvis continue's with "I got a women" and then spends more time talking. His voice sounds weak, his eyes are glazed. " Blue Christmas" and "That's Allright" are followed by Elvis asking the audience if they wouldn't mind if he sat down. Someone from the audience requests "Are You Lonesome Tonight". After finishing the song Elvis starts boasting about his Black Diamond ring. In a very low melodramatic voice he says, "I swear to God (pause) it took me 14 years to find a black diamond Stone". And on and on he goes.

By now, Elvis' speech is boring the pants off many a punter in the audience and when several people, close to us, start clapping their hands and stomping their feet in a demanding way, Elvis pauses for a second and says, " We got a tap dance formation in the back". He continues his speech and people start to leave the showroom. Meanwhile the musicians behine Elvis are getting very annoyed with what is going on in front of them. The tension in the show room and onstage is getting worse and worse. More and More people leaving the showroom muttering they want their money back. Just when things are at an all time low, Elvis snaps out of it and his mind returns from twilight zone. Slowly he climbs from the stool, the legs still abit shaky but the voice is less slurred. From there on things do improve, although none of the songs that follow reach the performing quality of the previous nights.

After about an hour he thanks the audience, sings "Can't Help Falling In Love" and walks off stage..WITHOUT LIMPING ONCE!

"The review is respectfully borrowed from Elvis The Man And His Music NO.18 Published in March of 1993.

[Elvis_Priestly]

By sheer coincidence I've just been reading this edition of Elvis: The Man and His Music. I hope you don't mind Brad but I think it might be worth quoting here the reviewer's report of the opening show of that Vegas run, 3 nights earlier and a passing reference to the shows in between. The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the review's? None other than Ger Rijff, Elvis author and artist.

"The very moment Elvis walks out from the right wing of the stage, he is EVERYTHING I hoped he would be. Hair combed back, the famous arrogant curl of the lip and with both thumbs linked in the chains from his belt, he walks - catlike - to the centre of the stage. Yes, indeed. ‘Like a Prince from another planet’, as one New York newspaper described his appearance way back in 1972.
He’s got incredible stage presence. Charisma beyond words. I think I’m in love.
Everything he does that night is done to perfection. The ballads are belted out with enormous power, and even the classic ‘oldies’ are treated with a little more respect than usual. He’s in a great mood. So are we! ... Five more shows will follow in the days to come. Four turn out to be good ones. The remaining one is bad. Or to be more exact, downright WEIRD!
It’s December 5th, and again we’re seated at..."

[cameron]

By sheer coincidence I've just been reading this edition of Elvis: The Man and His Music. I hope you don't mind Brad but I think it might be worth quoting here the reviewer's report of the opening show of that Vegas run, 3 nights earlier and a passing reference to the shows in between. The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the review's? None other than Ger Rijff, Elvis author and artist.

"The very moment Elvis walks out from the right wing of the stage, he is EVERYTHING I hoped he would be. Hair combed back, the famous arrogant curl of the lip and with both thumbs linked in the chains from his belt, he walks - catlike - to the centre of the stage. Yes, indeed. ‘Like a Prince from another planet’, as one New York newspaper described his appearance way back in 1972.
He’s got incredible stage presence. Charisma beyond words. I think I’m in love.
Everything he does that night is done to perfection. The ballads are belted out with enormous power, and even the classic ‘oldies’ are treated with a little more respect than usual. He’s in a great mood. So are we! ... Five more shows will follow in the days to come. Four turn out to be good ones. The remaining one is bad. Or to be more exact, downright WEIRD!
It’s December 5th, and again we’re seated at..."

Thank you for posting this. (y)
I've often wondered if anyone thought the man just might be terribly ill.
I might be called ignorant; but it was my first thought when I saw him in some concerts. :'(

[jak]

I've got a good friend who went to every show during that engagement.She knew the maitre de and always got a front seat after a decent tip.She attended maybe 70 shows in Vegas and another 80 on tour.We talked about that concert.She said you just knew he was under the influence.People in the audience around her were shocked at his appearance and the way he acted.She said around that time the sparkle had just left his eyes as she put it.She says everything in his shows at that time had become almost identical.Every joke or every move of his little finger.She knew what he was going to do before he did it.She saw her first show in 1970.She said it was heartbreaking to witness the change in him.She said some shows he would bounce back and be better than the night before but it wouldnt last.After a few concerts in 76 and 77 she said she would cry driving home because she was so worried about him.
Jak

[Getlo]

After a few concerts in 76 and 77 she said she would cry driving home because she was so worried about him.

And now we wait for someone's post on here condemning your friend for not doing enough to help him! ;):lol:

[jak]

And now we wait for someone's post on here condemning your friend for not doing enough to help him! ;):lol:

She's one of the very few fans I have known who can recall her experiences with complete objectivity.If a concert was bad she said it.She was a professional photographer and I think that helped her.Most fans are blinded by Elvis' image when they see him.That's why you get fans who saw a terrible show and say it was the greatest concert ever.
Jak

[cameron]

She's one of the very few fans I have known who can recall her experiences with complete objectivity.If a concert was bad she said it.She was a professional photographer and I think that helped her.Most fans are blinded by Elvis' image when they see him.That's why you get fans who saw a terrible show and say it was the greatest concert ever.
Jak

Who might she be?

Better than a professional reviewer ?

Quote:Elvis Priestly:

By sheer coincidence I've just been reading this edition of Elvis: The Man and His Music. I hope you don't mind Brad but I think it might be worth quoting here the reviewer's report of the opening show of that Vegas run, 3 nights earlier and a passing reference to the shows in between. The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the review's? None other than Ger Rijff, Elvis author and artist."

[Getlo]

Who might she be?
Better than a professional reviewer ?


Er, Ger Rijff is not a "professional reviewer", not by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyone can write a review of a concert; therefore they are a reviewer.

[jak]

Who might she be?

Better than a professional reviewer ?

Quote:Elvis Priestly:

By sheer coincidence I've just been reading this edition of Elvis: The Man and His Music. I hope you don't mind Brad but I think it might be worth quoting here the reviewer's report of the opening show of that Vegas run, 3 nights earlier and a passing reference to the shows in between. The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the review's? None other than Ger Rijff, Elvis author and artist."

She's a dedicated fan who saw more Elvis concerts than many people.It's funny you cling to the Priestly qoute by Ger Rijff.His views on Elvis concerts in the 70's are well known.Not by you though I think.Ger pretty much gives a thumb down on Elvis' 70's concerts.He is much harder on Elvis than my friend who saw many more live shows than he did.Get your facts straight.How many did you see AJR?Just the one in OK right?
Jak

[jak]

Er, Ger Rijff is not a "professional reviewer", not by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyone can write a review of a concert; therefore they are a reviewer.

Ger is well know for slamming Elvis' performances in the 70's.It's so funny she used that quote not knowing that.
Jak

[cameron]

She's a dedicated fan who saw more Elvis concerts than many people.It's funny you cling to the Priestly qoute by Ger Rijff.His views on Elvis concerts in the 70's are well known.Not by you though I think.Ger pretty much gives a thumb down on Elvis' 70's concerts.He is much harder on Elvis than my friend who saw many more live shows than he did.Get your facts straight.How many did you see AJR?Just the one in OK right?
Jak


Since you continue to call me, AJR ,Memphis {something or other} and another I can't remember .I see no point in answering you .
As always. this thread is OFF TOPIC anyway.(n)

[jak]

Since you continue to call me, AJR ,Memphis {something or other} and another I can't remember .I see no point in answering you .
As always. this thread is OFF TOPIC anyway.(n)

I apoligise for the slip.I got you confused with a former poster.Sorry about that.It was unintentional.
Jak

[Elvis_Priestly]

I did not mention Ger Rijff to add any extra authority to his comments on the concert. I think it is always appropriate to name one's sources. Ger being asociated with some negativity concerning the 1970's I think the interesting point that aises from this is that "even" Ger was overcome by the actual presence of Elvis.

Is this another thread to be hijacked by some members' apparent personal animosity which is played out thread after thread after thread? If it is try to refrain from using something I've said as "weapons" in your armoury.

[elvislady]

Thanks brad, and elvis-priestly, i really enjoyed these shows.
elvislady:D

[jak]

I did not mention Ger Rijff to add any extra authority to his comments on the concert. I think it is always appropriate to name one's sources. Ger being asociated with some negativity concerning the 1970's I think the interesting point that aises from this is that "even" Ger was overcome by the actual presence of Elvis.

Is this another thread to be hijacked by some members' apparent personal animosity which is played out thread after thread after thread? If it is try to refrain from using something I've said as "weapons" in your armoury.

Anything posted is open to comment including your posts.I just found it funny somebody was using your quote to support themselves not knowing it actually undermined them.Ger may have been ovecomed by his presence but evidently the affect wasnt permanent.I know youre well aware of his thoughts on Elvis' 70's concerts.People being overcome by his presence is what has carried on the myth that Elvis continued to perform at a high level until the end which is not entirely true.
Jak

[Tommy]

Members please stay on topic, and stop carrying personal comments from one thread to another.

Thank you.

[cameron]

I apologize for using your post, Elvis Priestly.
I just enjoyed the two different views from the same set of concerts.
Especially from Rijff .
I welcome your comments.

[epmoodyblue]

fans who go to concets have different opinions.some exagerating most of elvis concerts in vegas dec 76 were top quality concerts the hell with that review- how i wish i could of attended that show or all of elvis vegas 76 concerts .. and for the person sayingmusicians behind Elvis are getting very annoyed thats a bunch of bull ..musicians always knew what to expect of elvis-musicians were never at anytime annoyed with elvis--they were payed to play music when elvis was ready to sing a song...like i mean every concert in vegas from 69 to 76 elvis did tons more talking with the fans in vegas with long speeches than he would on a city tour -in vegas that was normal..that was surely not a professional reviewer -so whatever the show was good and the last vegas concert closing night was dynamite great-so elvis came out LIMPing on stage.elvis was == and seated way back at the hilton showroom freakin lousy seats and they were able to see elvis all wet - like he just came out of the shower hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa please go away(n)(n)(n):lmfao::lmfao:

[Getlo]

and for the person sayingmusicians behind Elvis are getting very annoyed thats a bunch of bull

Were you there? I don't think Ger Rijff would make something like this up out of thin air, do you? He would have been able to see the expressions on the TCB Band's faces, and could make an accurate assessment of the situation. Perhaps he misinterpreted the scowls on their faces.

Have you heard this show, (or others from the same period)? Yes, people were slow-clapping Elvis. Some punters in the audience were not impressed.


that was surely not a professional reviewer

There is no such thing as a professional reviewer, unless they are a paid movie or theatre critic. Anyone who sees a show and writes a review about it is, by definition, a reviewer.

Reviewers, whether paid or not, write articles offering their opinions about the performance they have witnessed.

And what is one of your so-called "professional reviewers" gave the show the thumbs down as well? Would you then dismiss it as bull?

Paid reviewers in Vegas newspapers slammed Elvis' act in December of 1975 and 1976 as well. Would their reviews have been bull?

[epmoodyblue]

Were you there? I don't think Ger Rijff would make something like this up out of thin air, do you? He would have been able to see the expressions on the TCB Band's faces, and could make an accurate assessment of the situation. Perhaps he misinterpreted the scowls on their faces.

Have you heard this show, (or others from the same period)? Yes, people were slow-clapping Elvis. Some punters in the audience were not impressed.



There is no such thing as a professional reviewer, unless they are a paid movie or theatre critic. Anyone who sees a show and writes a review about it is, by definition, a reviewer.

Reviewers, whether paid or not, write articles offering their opinions about the performance they have witnessed.

And what is one of your so-called "professioanl reviewers" gave the show the thumbs down as well? Would you then dismiss it as bull?

Paid reviewers in Vegas newspapers slammed Elvis' act in December of 1975 and 1976 as well. Would their reviews have been bull?whatever i have the concert good show thumbs(y) to elvis-..well then even those pro reviewers in vegas were nuckle heads because elvis concerts in vegas in 75 were great -slow clapping in vegas means nothing its normal -it dosent mean the concert is going bad..listen to those fabulous vegas concerts of elvis in 69 -70 same slow clapping and elvis was at his best dont judge aconcert by the sound of clapping:lmfao::king: and this lame reviewer seated way back of showroom saw nothing just his bag of popcorn he was munching in

[Getlo]

listen to those fabulous vegas concerts of elvis in 69 -70

Do you know what slow-clapping is meant to signify?

And in which 1969-70 shows was Elvis slow-clapped?

[cameron]

It was "the fan" that said that about Elvis' performance .
Not Ger Rijff,

[epmoodyblue]

Do you know what slow-clapping is meant to signify?

And in which 1969-70 shows was Elvis slow-clapped?at most of the shows in vegas -im sure you have recordings of elvis vegas shows listen to them slow to normal claps..dosent mean anything they loved his concerts-i mean the hilton wasint packed with teenagers at his vegas shows screaming from the top of there lungs some songs he would get the ocassional standing ovation claps.mostly it was normal slow claps .apreciating elvis always though

[Getlo]

It was "the fan" that said that about Elvis' performance .
Not Ger Rijff,

Try again, dear ...


Meanwhile the musicians behine Elvis are getting very annoyed with what is going on in front of them. The tension in the show room and onstage is getting worse and worse. More and More people leaving the showroom muttering they want their money back.
"The review is respectfully borrowed from Elvis The Man And His Music NO.18 Published in March of 1993."

[cameron]

Try again, dear ...

Maybe you should try again, DEAR >

..I found this review of a fan who was at the show and wanted to share it with you. Let me warn you, it's not a warm feeling you get after reading it.

[Getlo]

mostly it was normal slow claps .apreciating elvis always though

As I suspected, you have no idea what slow-clapping actually means.

It is a form of negative criticism.

It is when an audience is bored with a performance: they start to slow-clap, once every second or so, to tell the performer to shut up, stop talking and get on with the show.

This did not happen to Elvis anytime prior to 1974.

We are not talking about regular "slow claps"!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Getlo]

Maybe you should try again, DEAR >

..I found this review of a fan who was at the show and wanted to share it with you. Let me warn you, it's not a warm feeling you get after reading it.

I've nothing to add here.

Oh, except for this ...


The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the reviews? None other than Ger Rijff, Elvis author and artist.


:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

[cameron]

:rolleyes:Two seperate reviews .
Maybe if you read slower?

[Getlo]

:rolleyes:Two seperate reviews

(sigh) :rolleyes:

... written by the same person. Ger Rijff.


"The very moment Elvis walks out from the right wing of the stage ...

It’s December 5th, and again we’re seated at..."

... which leads into the first '"fan" review in the first thread. Which is also Ger Rijff's work.

[cameron]

Whatever you think, dear . :lmfao:

[Getlo]

Whatever you think, dear . :lmfao:

And again ...


The lucky guy who got to see all this and wrote the reviews? None other than Ger Rijff

Reviews. Plural. Meaning Ger Rijff wrote both of them (unless of course Elvis Priestly made an error in his transcription). Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

[Getlo]

In any case, I've always wondered what the real story is behind Elvis' limp during this show?

Do we believe his story of tripping over in his bathroom? ;)

[cameron]

And again ...



Reviews. Plural. Meaning Ger Rijff wrote both of them (unless of course Elvis Priestly made an error in his transcription). Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

Point is: It was "the fan" that had all the negative things to say.
Now, I leave this thread to you with all the others.

[Getlo]

Point is: It was "the fan" that had all the negative things to say.

And ... that ... same ... fan ... was ... Ger ... Rijff ... :doh:


Now, I leave this thread to you with all the others.

Thank you. (y) :clap:

[epmoodyblue]

As I suspected, you have no idea what slow-clapping actually means.

It is a form of negative criticism.

It is when an audience is bored with a performance: they start to slow-clap, once every second or so, to tell the performer to shut up, stop talking and get on with the show.

This did not happen to Elvis anytime prior to 1974.

We are not talking about regular "slow claps"!

:clap: :clap: :clap:whatever you know at vegas applause at elvis concerts were simple slow clapping im gonna leave it at and this topic is getting boring ..cheer yourself up and go listen to elvis december 76 closing show..elvis closed left vegas forever in style(y) some so so shows here and these just dont matter much -elvis was not a machine -no pro or ameteur reviewers comments will ever change that elvis was king best at what he did(y)(y)

[Getlo]

whatever you know at vegas applause at elvis concerts were simple slow clapping im gonna leave it at

Well, perhaps they don’t do the "slow clap" where you live. But when it comes, it's the kiss of death for a performer and Elvis received a few towards the end.

I listened to both the December 12 closing show and the aforementioned December 5 show today. The closing show was quite good, but the December 5 one was average at best. And yes, Elvis was slow-clapped, with people shouting out "Sing!" and "Get on with the show!" while he kept speaking for way too long.

And no, not everyone thought the closing show was brilliant either ... I thought the below comments in bold were prophetic. Excerpts only. The first part is written by an old army buddy of Elvis, who went on to become a journalist.

The "rose-coloured glasses" theory is well and truly active when it comes to Elvis' final Vegas season. It was by no means Elvis anywhere near the top of his game.

"GOOD EVENING

By Bill E. Burk

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly, and why the King of Rock'n'Roll would subject himself to possible ridicule by going o stage so ill-prepared.

There's nothing new. Elvis sings the same old hackneyed songs.

Elvis looked terribly tired. Even his famed swivelling hips, which don't swivel much anymore, seem programmed.

This may seem like one person's opinion. It isn't. During Presley's last three nights here, these opinions, or various forms of them, were heard time and time again from former Presley "groupies" who openly expressed concern for him."

Also, something by way of interest: from Las Vegas December 1975.

"Chicago Sun Times

TIME MAKES LISTLESS MECHANIC OF ELVIS

By Bob Greene

...but when he comes onto the stage, something is wrong. It is not just the extra weight, which cannot be camouflaged by his bright white-sequined jumpsuit; not just the listlessness with which he approaches his microphone., like a man on his way to an appointment with the dentist; not just the slurring of his words as he attempts to introduce each song.

The wrongness is not any one of these things; it is all of them, and more.

Tonight he wanders aimlessly around filling the moments between songs with the eerie muttering.

He looks weary. The eyes are puffy. In the past thee years most of the news stories about Presley have concerned mysterious trips to hospitals for the treatment of unnamed or transparently vague ailments.

The 40-year-old rock and roll performer plods methodically through his repertoire. He is so noticeably bored with it that it would not be surprising to see him glance at his watch.

It is, indeed, the dawning of the year 1976; it will never be 1956 again, not for the star, not for any of us".

[jak]

Well, perhaps they don’t do the "slow clap" where you live. But when it comes, it's the kiss of death for a performer and Elvis received a few towards the end.

I listened to both the December 12 closing show and the aforementioned December 5 show today. The closing show was quite good, but the December 5 one was average at best. And yes, Elvis was slow-clapped, with people shouting out "Sing!" and "Get on with the show!" while he kept speaking for way too long.

And no, not everyone thought the closing show was brilliant either ... I thought the below comments in bold were prophetic. Excerpts only. The first part is written by an old army buddy of Elvis, who went on to become a journalist.

The "rose-coloured glasses" theory is well and truly active when it comes to Elvis' final Vegas season. It was by no means Elvis anywhere near the top of his game.

"GOOD EVENING

By Bill E. Burk

After sitting through Elvis Presley's closing night performance at the Las Vegas Hilton, one walks away wondering how much longer can it be before the end comes, perhaps suddenly, and why the King of Rock'n'Roll would subject himself to possible ridicule by going o stage so ill-prepared.

There's nothing new. Elvis sings the same old hackneyed songs.

Elvis looked terribly tired. Even his famed swivelling hips, which don't swivel much anymore, seem programmed.

This may seem like one person's opinion. It isn't. During Presley's last three nights here, these opinions, or various forms of them, were heard time and time again from former Presley "groupies" who openly expressed concern for him."

Also, something by way of interest: from Las Vegas December 1975.

"Chicago Sun Times

TIME MAKES LISTLESS MECHANIC OF ELVIS

By Bob Greene

...but when he comes onto the stage, something is wrong. It is not just the extra weight, which cannot be camouflaged by his bright white-sequined jumpsuit; not just the listlessness with which he approaches his microphone., like a man on his way to an appointment with the dentist; not just the slurring of his words as he attempts to introduce each song.

The wrongness is not any one of these things; it is all of them, and more.

Tonight he wanders aimlessly around filling the moments between songs with the eerie muttering.

He looks weary. The eyes are puffy. In the past thee years most of the news stories about Presley have concerned mysterious trips to hospitals for the treatment of unnamed or transparently vague ailments.

The 40-year-old rock and roll performer plods methodically through his repertoire. He is so noticeably bored with it that it would not be surprising to see him glance at his watch.

It is, indeed, the dawning of the year 1976; it will never be 1956 again, not for the star, not for any of us".

Reviews like the one you posted and many other accounts paints a more accurate portrayal of Elvis' later shows.His concerts had become a parody of his earlier efforts.I dont think many fans know just how bad it got.I think you could post hundreds of poor reviews and it still wouldnt sink in.People started walking out of his shows and yes he did get heckled at times.Gerr's comments were praised on this thread.If people did some more research into more of his comments they wouldnt like what he said.Some of the shows mentioned were better than others only because they offered a stark contrast to the enormous quantity of poor concerts.For me Elvis was the greatest performer that ever lived but that doesnt apply to what he was doing towards the end of his life.
Jak

[epmoodyblue]

hecklers you mean drunks who just walked into the showroom to make trouble..its all a matter of opinion the last 2 years elvis gave good concerts i enjoyed them mabye you didint thats your problem...who the hell cares what the Chicago Sun Times said..both chicago concerts in 76 and those in 77 were great the fans enjoyed themselves -i got all the concerts pn video and audio .they had a blast thats all that matters-none of those reviews hurt elvis when he walked on stage weather in sickness or in health he gave his all

[SleepyJack]

Sadly that is probably closer to the truth than I`d like to believe.

[cameron]

So, you know you are in bad shape. Your shows seem to be harder and harder to perform. You have ambition but it seems not as much. You have people depending on you, pushing you. You don't want to be a disappointment. Just wish you had time to think. Is it really worth all this? You manage to hurt your friends because quite frankly you don't have the balls. Well, so what if you don't like the pressure of confrontation. They should know when you get mad it usually blows over shortly. But you are the boss. You've pretty much lost your litttle girl. Wish these pills would kick in. You need a little boost. You can feel the physical effects of getting older, little aches and pains. Someone said, "the show must go on". But isn't life a show? Isn't your life the most important show that need to go on? Yeah, but everyone's gonna talk about you. Wonder if they would stop if you were gone? Sure would be nice to just relax and have someone to talk to. Like that's gonna happen. Used to could always talk to momma.

Very possible what Elvis was thinking and going through.
Many expect too much . After all," he owed us to be the King ." Right ?
No human frailties tolerated . Very sad and quite uncalled for.

[Getlo]

hecklers you mean drunks who just walked into the showroom to make trouble

No, I mean Hilton patrons who had paid good money to hear Elvis sing, and what they got was a singer who talked way too much.

Have you even listened to the December 5 Vegas show at all? If you haven't heard it, then you can't make an asessment of the show. So have a listen. The people who are shouting for Elvis to shut up are not drunk, nor are they troublemakers.

And Elvis may very well have given good shows in his later years (one or two even great) but none of them were a patch on what happened on stage prior to about 1972 or 73. Elvis at his concert best (after 1973) was nowhere near Elvis at his worst from 1969-73.

Rose coloured glasses indeed ...

I shall post the Chicago reviews from '76 and '77 if I have them in my concert review files.

[jak]

hecklers you mean drunks who just walked into the showroom to make trouble..its all a matter of opinion the last 2 years elvis gave good concerts i enjoyed them mabye you didint thats your problem...who the hell cares what the Chicago Sun Times said..both chicago concerts in 76 and those in 77 were great the fans enjoyed themselves -i got all the concerts pn video and audio .they had a blast thats all that matters-none of those reviews hurt elvis when he walked on stage weather in sickness or in health he gave his all

Youre way off.Elvis was heckled in Vegas and on the road in later years.People walked out of his concerts asking for their money back.That's the reality of it.Another reality is that Elvis' image carried him through those bad times.The fans screamed just as loud I agree.Seeing Elvis was a great thing.Particulary if you saw what you wanted to see regardless of the way it really was.He had charisma like no other before or since.That still doesnt mean he didnt perform lousy concerts.To believe otherwise is sheer ignorance.
Jak

[jak]

And Elvis may very well have given good shows in his later years (one or two even great) but none of them were a patch on what happened on stage prior to about 1972 or 73. Elvis at his concert best (after 1973) was nowhere near Elvis at his worst from 1969-73.

That's about right.The intesity was gone after 73 with only a few excpetions here and there.You went from a quick 2 minute band intro that morphed into a 45 minute break for him.He just didnt put that much into the shows anymore.No more rehearsing period.It was just easier to sing the same stuff over and over.Dont get me wrong though.I would love to go back and see all the shows including the bad ones.I just dont try and fool myself into thinking Elvis always gave a great concert.
Jak

[Getlo]

He had charisma like no other before or since.That still doesnt mean he didnt perform lousy concerts.To believe otherwise is sheer ignorance.

Indeed.

Another point, and I'm sure this has been mentioned by many before me, is that Elvis at his shambolic worst in the later years was still better than most stage acts touring at the time.

Most, but not all.

Obviously, two people watching the same show may have two opinions about it. But no one can convince me that every show Elvis gave was good.

I'll have to check if I have video of Chicago that epmoodyblue mentioned.

[Getlo]

Elvis was heckled in Vegas and on the road in later years.

And that idea that all of the 70s shows were "sold out" is another myth.

Some shows - not too many, but some - had many tickets left by the time The King took to the stage.

But you're right: if I had the chance, I'd go back and watch every single show from front-row centre ... even stuff like Omaha June 1977.

[jak]

And that idea that all of the 70s shows were "sold out" is another myth.

Some shows - not too many, but some - had many tickets left by the time The King took to the stage.

But you're right: if I had the chance, I'd go back and watch every single show from front-row centre ... even stuff like Omaha June 1977.

Youre right about the ticket sales.It took me a long time to acknowledge that and admit it's the truth.I too had a nice pair of rose colored glasses I wore quite often.

[Rover]

I thought some show weren't sold out because of the price? I remember reading somewhere it was really expensive..

[Getlo]

I thought some show weren't sold out because of the price? I remember reading somewhere it was really expensive..

Hadn't heard that.

To his credit, Elvis and his marketing machine kept the ticket prices as low as possible throughout the 70s.

Unlike today, where you pay through the nose even to see the lamest of acts.

[elvis himselvis]

I orded this concert a couple of days ago,and will get my copy soon...I also heard this was a bad concert and now I want to hear it myself if it really is as bad as they say.

[presley31]

You know, I still miss my most loved person. I could go to her, she would be there for me, no-one could replace her. I found, if I spoke to different people, somehow, it would somehow make up for it, but no-one could replace that love. Have you noticed, how much I happen to love you?

little confused but what does this have to do with this thread??

[cameron]

You know, I still miss my most loved person. I could go to her, she would be there for me, no-one could replace her. I found, if I spoke to different people, somehow, it would somehow make up for it, but no-one could replace that love. Have you noticed, how much I happen to love you?

ok, Shazam:
I'm not gonna bother you.
But, some will if you keep up this weird recitation.
What's your problem?

[Geoff the Chef]

yes 5/12/76 IS a 'bad' concert, saving thing being at the very end his version of HOW GREAT THOU ART is decent, but it took him ALL of the show to reach this 'highlight' Jak that is a great exageration to say a 2 minute band intro turned into 45 minutes..maybe 20 minutes but 45 is silly comment.

[utmom2008]

Members please stay on topic, and stop carrying personal comments from one thread to another.

Thank you.
(y)(y)(y)(y)...Thank you Tommy. This is keeping so many posters away.

[Getlo]

I orded this concert a couple of days ago,and will get my copy soon...I also heard this was a bad concert and now I want to hear it myself if it really is as bad as they say.

You mean Vegas December 5th?

It's certainly not the worst one he ever did, but it's by no means one of the best. HGTA is fine of course, but as for the rest?

Meh ...

[Getlo]

both chicago concerts in 76 and those in 77 were great the fans enjoyed themselves

By way of interest, here are excerpts from a review of the Chicago 1977 show that was mentioned earlier.

Having watched the show again today, I honestly fail to see how it could be called "great", especially when compared with his 1969-71 work. But that's just this man's opinion.

epmoodyblue, if you think this show is great, you must be in pure ecstasy when you see or listen to Elvis' earlier shows?

As I said, it's obviously all about perception when one views an Elvis show, even on video. But I think the final comment below - in bold - is telling.

"SNATCHES OF OLD SONGS, A FEW NEW ONES - THAT'S ELVIS
Chicago Tribune, May 2, 1977
By Lynn Van Marre

It was painfully impossible not to notice that Elvis really doesn't put on that great a show.

Like Mick Jagger, Presley long ago turned into a sort of self-parody.

Occasionally, the vocal sparks were still there. But the thrill's been gone a while now.

Basically, a Presley concert amounts to Elvis messing around on stage; the crowd gets to see and hear him and for many, because of the dreams they've bought with them, that's enough. Those without memories may find the performance less than memorable."

[Getlo]

You know, I still miss my most loved person. I could go to her, she would be there for me, no-one could replace her. I found, if I spoke to different people, somehow, it would somehow make up for it, but no-one could replace that love. Have you noticed, how much I happen to love you?

Not really following you here, Shazam ...

[utmom2008]

fans who go to concets have different opinions.some exagerating most of elvis concerts in vegas dec 76 were top quality concerts the hell with that review- how i wish i could of attended that show or all of elvis vegas 76 concerts .. and for the person sayingmusicians behind Elvis are getting very annoyed thats a bunch of bull ..musicians always knew what to expect of elvis-musicians were never at anytime annoyed with elvis--they were payed to play music when elvis was ready to sing a song...like i mean every concert in vegas from 69 to 76 elvis did tons more talking with the fans in vegas with long speeches than he would on a city tour -in vegas that was normal..that was surely not a professional reviewer -so whatever the show was good and the last vegas concert closing night was dynamite great-so elvis came out LIMPing on stage.elvis was == and seated way back at the hilton showroom freakin lousy seats and they were able to see elvis all wet - like he just came out of the shower hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa please go away(n)(n)(n):lmfao::lmfao:
Long speeches between songs was NEVER the norm in Vegas, yes those shows were more personal at times, but he didn't give long talks between songs. There wasn't really a "lousy" seat in that showroom.....I think the people in the back could see pretty well. James Burton has said before that "you never knew what Elvis might do, therefore you always tried to keep eye contact with him". ;) ;)

[utmom2008]

whatever i have the concert good show thumbs(y) to elvis-..well then even those pro reviewers in vegas were nuckle heads because elvis concerts in vegas in 75 were great -slow clapping in vegas means nothing its normal -it dosent mean the concert is going bad..listen to those fabulous vegas concerts of elvis in 69 -70 same slow clapping and elvis was at his best dont judge aconcert by the sound of clapping:lmfao::king: and this lame reviewer seated way back of showroom saw nothing just his bag of popcorn he was munching in
OMG...surely you are being sarcastic. There was NO popcorn in the Vegas showroom, lobster yes, but NO popcorn. I was there during the summers of 71,72 and 73...I don' remember any slow-clapping. :hmm: :hmm:

[utmom2008]

whatever you know at vegas applause at elvis concerts were simple slow clapping im gonna leave it at and this topic is getting boring ..cheer yourself up and go listen to elvis december 76 closing show..elvis closed left vegas forever in style(y) some so so shows here and these just dont matter much -elvis was not a machine -no pro or ameteur reviewers comments will ever change that elvis was king best at what he did(y)(y)
There just wasn't any simple slow clapping at the earlier Vegas shows. It didn't happen...

[Getlo]

OMG...surely you are being sarcastic. There was NO popcorn in the Vegas showroom, lobster yes, but NO popcorn. I was there during the summers of 71,72 and 73...I don' remember any slow-clapping. :hmm: :hmm:

I was going to mention the popcorn: I assumed he was being sarcastic as well.

But he doesn't understand the concept of the slow clap, when the audience turns on a performer because they're bored.

I saw Wayne Newton (shut up, no laughing please! :lol:) last year at the State Theatre in Sydney. All was well until about half an hour in, when he started talking.

Twenty long minutes went by ... "Get on with it!" ... "We paid to hear you sing, mate, not talk s**t!" ... and "Stop talking, a**hole" ... were just some of the comments thrown at Wayne. No one was drunk (although that may have helped us in the long run!). People were just disatisfied with his performance.

I saw at least 30 people walk out that night.

The same thing happened to Elvis too ... although not before 1974 I'd suggest.

[utmom2008]

hecklers you mean drunks who just walked into the showroom to make trouble..its all a matter of opinion the last 2 years elvis gave good concerts i enjoyed them mabye you didint thats your problem...who the hell cares what the Chicago Sun Times said..both chicago concerts in 76 and those in 77 were great the fans enjoyed themselves -i got all the concerts pn video and audio .they had a blast thats all that matters-none of those reviews hurt elvis when he walked on stage weather in sickness or in health he gave his all
EPMoodyBlue......did you ever go to any of the Vegas shows? I am thinking NO. You have this idea that drunk heckers just wandered in and sat down with a bag of popcorn and just began to pick at Elvis???????????? :king:

[utmom2008]

Youre way off.Elvis was heckled in Vegas and on the road in later years.People walked out of his concerts asking for their money back.That's the reality of it.Another reality is that Elvis' image carried him through those bad times.The fans screamed just as loud I agree.Seeing Elvis was a great thing.Particulary if you saw what you wanted to see regardless of the way it really was.He had charisma like no other before or since.That still doesnt mean he didnt perform lousy concerts.To believe otherwise is sheer ignorance.
Jak
That's right Jak. Didn't Jerry Schilling mention in his book about the people walking out of the showroom? It happened...and how sad that it got to that point.(n) Sit down and watch TTWII and tell me it's not a travesty to go from that...to people walking out of your shows

[utmom2008]

I was going to mention the popcorn: I assumed he was being sarcastic as well.

But he doesn't understand the concept of the slow clap, when the audience turns on a performer because they're bored.

I saw Wayne Newton (shut up, no laughing please! :lol:) last year at the State Theatre in Sydney. All was well until about half an hour in, when he started talking.

Twenty long minutes went by ... "Get on with it!" ... "We paid to hear you sing, mate, not talk s**t!" ... and "Stop talking, a**hole" ... were just some of the comments thrown at Wayne. No one was drunk (although that may have helped us in the long run!). People were just disatisfied with his performance.

I saw at least 30 people walk out that night.

The same thing happened to Elvis too ... although not before 1974 I'd suggest.
I won't laugh Getlo....we too saw Wayne Newton a few years back. After about 40 minutes we had enjoyed as much as we could stand, so guess what? :D:D We got up and walked out. :lol: :lol:

[toffe]

Thanks for sharing, great story.
I love to hear reviews from concert! :)

[jak]

That's right Jak. Didn't Jerry Schilling mention in his book about the people walking out of the showroom? It happened...and how sad that it got to that point.(n) Sit down and watch TTWII and tell me it's not a travesty to go from that...to people walking out of your shows

Youre right.It is sad it got to that point.I mentioned that because some of my friends who saw multiple shows have brought that up to me and how disturbing it was to see people walk out.Not everybody in the audience was blinded by his charisma.Many of the fans back then knew he was in big trouble.Youre comparison to TTWII is a valid one.Elvis set a high benchmark for his live shows at the time of that filming.For me personally he never gave a show later on that could come within a mile of that caliber performance.He gave a few good shows in 76 and 77 but he never gave another great one if you use his own earlier efforts as a measuring stick.He stopped caring about the content of his shows and just didnt put any effort into them
Jak

[jak]

yes 5/12/76 IS a 'bad' concert, saving thing being at the very end his version of HOW GREAT THOU ART is decent, but it took him ALL of the show to reach this 'highlight' Jak that is a great exageration to say a 2 minute band intro turned into 45 minutes..maybe 20 minutes but 45 is silly comment.

My 45 minute comment was toungue in cheek.Although if I went through my coillection I might come close to 45 minutes on a few of them.Regardless he turned the band intro's into his personal recess time.
Jak

[Elvis_Priestly]

Well Elvis sure did talk a lot during his 69-70 engagements: squirrels, funky angels, his life story, daft tales and in-jokes abounded. What about the 9 minute monologue in the new Viva Las Vegas release: rambling, coughing into the mic, clearing his nose, talking about his dirty nails, mistelling his own story with Sun, etc. etc. etc. Same as on "Elvis at the International FTD"

[jak]

Well Elvis sure did talk a lot during his 69-70 engagements: squirrels, funky angels, his life story, daft tales and in-jokes abounded. What about the 9 minute monologue in the new Viva Las Vegas release: rambling, coughing into the mic, clearing his nose, talking about his dirty nails, mistelling his own story with Sun, etc. etc. etc. Same as on "Elvis at the International FTD"

Dont forget the wooley boogers!!

[epmoodyblue]

stop asking me silly questions..ive said all i had to say about this topic.so im movin on.

[epmoodyblue]

I was going to mention the popcorn: I assumed he was being sarcastic as well.

But he doesn't understand the concept of the slow clap, when the audience turns on a performer because they're bored.

I saw Wayne Newton (shut up, no laughing please! :lol:) last year at the State Theatre in Sydney. All was well until about half an hour in, when he started talking.

Twenty long minutes went by ... "Get on with it!" ... "We paid to hear you sing, mate, not talk s**t!" ... and "Stop talking, a**hole" ... were just some of the comments thrown at Wayne. No one was drunk (although that may have helped us in the long run!). People were just disatisfied with his performance.

I saw at least 30 people walk out that night.

The same thing happened to Elvis too ... although not before 1974 I'd suggest.
course they walked out:lmfao:what you expect. it was Wayne Newton .. his long speech must of been more interesting to listen to than his singing and the applause at that show surely was extra slow sleepy slow claps you saw a prehistoric newton concert .do you have any pics of that sleepy wayne show? :lmfao::king::cold:

[Elvis_Priestly]

Dont forget the wooley boogers!!

I wish I could, they're always peeking through the windows at me! :blink:

[LovesElvis]

Well Elvis sure did talk a lot during his 69-70 engagements: squirrels, funky angels, his life story, daft tales and in-jokes abounded. What about the 9 minute monologue in the new Viva Las Vegas release: rambling, coughing into the mic, clearing his nose, talking about his dirty nails, mistelling his own story with Sun, etc. etc. etc. Same as on "Elvis at the International FTD"

I absolutely adore both those CDs...but it drives me crazy how every other phrase in that 9-min monologue is 'you know'. Still, it was a great concert.(y)

[Getlo]

course they walked out:lmfao:what you expect. it was Wayne Newton ..

You really have absolutely no idea about musicianship, do you? His voice was fine - better than ever in fact - but punters walked about because he talked too much.

The same thing happened to Elvis.

Accept it.


ive said all i had to say about this topic.so im movin on.

So much for that theory ...

[COL DRIES]

WOW , what a thread , Well i'm allways glad something "special" happens during a show.
Well , I will listen today again to the show of december 5 , 1976 , ahh well maybe i do them all .
Have fun and a real good weekend !

[epmoodyblue]

You really have absolutely no idea about musicianship, do you? His vocie was fine - better than ever in fact - but punters walked about because he talked too much.

The same thing happened to Elvis.

Accept it.



So much for that theory ...your always negative -i know lots about music. -you dont know when someone is kidding .i was just playin around ..lighten up it would do you lots of good..actually i like wayne newton..dont know why you nmentioned in your post for the people who read your post not to laugh that you saw wayne..what the heck for hes okay. why are you so ashamed you saw a wayne newton show?..on august 4 1990 i took my sisters 2 kids to see the new kids on the block and i had to sit with 55,ooo screaming kids for over an hour. now thats real cruel punishment:lmfao: :king::cold:

[Getlo]

your always negative

I am realistic.


i know lots about music.

Yet you don't know what the slow clap is.


why are you so ashamed you saw a wayne newton show?

Who said I was ashamed? I have seen Wayne three times now in various cities.


..on august 4 1990 i took my sisters 2 kids to see the new kids on the block

What, voluntarily?

[epmoodyblue]

I am realistic.



Yet you don't know what the slow clap is.



Who said I was ashamed? I have seen Wayne three times now in various cities.



What, voluntarily?you did say in your post * saw Wayne Newton (shut up, no laughing please!* that statement sounds like your embarrased letting us know you saw wayne..anyways move on to other threads you got your opinions i got mines we will leave it at that bye bye:king::cold:

[Getlo]

you did say in your post * saw Wayne Newton (shut up, no laughing please!* that statement sounds like your embarrased letting us know you saw wayne..

Not at all; I expected people to make fun of it - as you did - so got in first.


anyways move on to other threads you got your opinions i got mines we will leave it at that bye bye:king::cold:

Thank you, that would be great. I'll keep posting on here if I so choose though ...

[cameron]

I liked Elvis in 1976 and 1977 .
Of course ,that's when I saw the most of him.
He won me over as a fan. (y)

[Sonny]

Ever seen Elvis in concert Getlo?

Was there when people walked out, or is it just hearsay, curious my friend.

Sonny

[epmoodyblue]

Not at all; I expected people to make fun of it - as you did - so got in first.



Thank you, that would be great. I'll keep posting on here if I so choose though ... no no i did not make fun of your post,,i was joking around..if you read my post -go read my second post on wayne i mentioned to you i was only kidding as i like wayne newton..read the post properly-we all got our opinions we may agree we may not on certain topics, but not to the point to start an all out war fight. move on bud.. -peace :king::cold:

[epmoodyblue]

I liked Elvis in 1976 and 1977 .
Of course ,that's when I saw the most of him.
He won me over as a fan. (y)(y):king::cold:

[Getlo]

Ever seen Elvis in concert Getlo?

Was there when people walked out, or is it just hearsay, curious my friend.

Sonny

I have newspaper reviews of 97% of concerts from 1969 - 1977. (And many from the 50s and 60s).

Several of them mention paying customers walking out during the shows, including Vegas.

And you should know by now that I don't make statements without having seen evidence, or otherwise. I do not believe in hearsay, as again you should well know. No, I did not see Elvis in concert, but I see no reason why a reviewer would make up such claims.

And as for the audiences' slow clapping, it's there on a couple of shows, along with people shouting "Sing!"

As I said, it's all about perception: one person might think an Elvis concert's great, while another may say it sucked.

Chicago May 1, 1977 is a good example from this thread. One person said it's great; I beg to greatly differ.

[jak]

The people I personally know that saw Elvis multiple times,including one who saw around 150 Elvis concerts have confirmed to me that people walked out of his shows on different occassions.This was during the last coupe of years.I might be mistaken but it seems that somebody well known like Pinchon or Miller discussed that in one of their books.I believe Pinchon talked about the rude heckling Elvis started to get later on.The mystique of a live Elvis show has grown to huge heights over the years.His shows were always an event.That being said his later efforts didnt match the hype.You must remember that when he was touring constantly an Elvis concert wasnt a rarity or considered such a historical event.People look back now after 30 years and think how great it was to see him.Which it was.It's just that actual events get exaggerated.
Jak

[cameron]

To see or hear a concert personally is one thing; to listen to others "opinions" and quote as truth is quite another .including any reviewer . That after all; is what a reviewer gets paid for.

[Getlo]

To see or hear a concert personally is one thing; to listen to others "opinions" and quote as truth is quite another .including any reviewer . That after all; is what a reviewer gets paid for.

Reviewers are paid to tell the truth as they see/hear it.

And I have heard the slow-clappers and (non-drunk) hecklers myself on tapes of several shows. My ears do not deceive me.

[Merry]

Reviewers are paid to tell the truth as they see/hear it.

And I have heard the slow-clappers and (non-drunk) hecklers myself on tapes of several shows. My ears do not deceive me.



Yes, but your perception is faulty, as you weren't there.

From friends who were there (and I'm sure that fans here, who went to the concerts will agree with me) is that a lot of gamblers went to the concerts, too. Said drunk, gamblers, weren't fans. Think about it .....

[Getlo]

Yes, but your perception is faulty, as you weren't there.

My perception is perfectly fine, thank you. :mad: I have hundreds of hours of concerts on video and audio. I am hardly going to make an assessment based on mere guesswork. By your logic - because none of us was there, as you say - our perceptions are faulty if we therefore offer an opinion on Aloha or In Concert, or any other show that's commercially available.


From friends who were there (and I'm sure that fans here, who went to the concerts will agree with me) is that a lot of gamblers went to the concerts, too. Said drunk, gamblers, weren't fans. Think about it .....

I've thought about it; what is your point? I'm sure there were drunks at many shows, many of whom were thrown out or left of their own accord. Just as I am positive there were many sober individuals who walked out of Elvis' shows of their own volition because they were pissed off or disappointed with the quality of the performance.

Have you heard any shows, aside from the official ones? Have you heard where people are yelling "Sing!" when Elvis rambles on? I have. These people are not drunks, nor do they keep yelling all night. Once Elvis resumes singing, they clap and yell along with the rest of the crowd.

When Elvis rambles for more than ten minutes - which is a long time for an audience to sit there without hearing what they paid for (ie singing) - they are perfectly justified in yelling for him to quit the crap and get on with beng an entertainer.

I too have friends who saw Elvis in concert, some many times. Like jak's friends, they also saw people walking out. Not drunks. Sober people. People who had paid good money to hear a singer, and occasionally ended up with a rambler on stage. I take these people at their word. Not every show was perfect.

Think about it. ;)

[Merry]

Jak was nine years old, when he attended. I'm going to resist, and not converse with you.

[Getlo]

Jak was nine years old, when he attended..

What's your point? I referenced jak's friends (and mine) who had attended concerts, not jak himself in my previous post.


I'm going to resist, and not converse with you.

Please.

[epmoodyblue]

i have a friend who saw elvis over 300 times ..never complained. and he saw elvis including all of the final june 77 tour..and he had tickets for the august 77 tour :'(also.elvis was king no matter what reviews will never change this fact.(y)(:king::cold:

[cameron]

I quite enjoy Elvis talking with the audience or cutting up with the band.
It was a part of his charm. It's why I felt close to him.

Point is, I guess it's a matter of opinion what one likes to hear.
I usually decide things for myself and am not influenced by anyone or anything.
Elvis did himself and others proud, IMO. (y)

[Getlo]

i have a friend who saw elvis over 300 times ..never complained. and he saw elvis including all of the final june 77 tour..and he had tickets for the august 77 tour :'(also.elvis was king no matter what reviews will never change this fact.(y)(:king::cold:

Your friend is indeed lucky to have seen Elvis so many times. But I don't believe for a second he thought every one of those 300 shows was top-notch entertainment.

And no one, least of all me, is suggesting that any amount of negative reviews changes Elvis' value as an entertainer - even in '76 and '77, when he was certainly past his prime.

One has to view shows dispassionately to see them as they really were.

[utmom2008]

Hadn't heard that.

To his credit, Elvis and his marketing machine kept the ticket prices as low as possible throughout the 70s.

Unlike today, where you pay through the nose even to see the lamest of acts.
True! I still have the ad that was in The Dallas Morning News in the fall of 1971. The ad was for his upcoming Nov. 1971 show at Memorial Auditorium. Ticket prices were $7.50, $10.00 and $15.00 (y)

[jak]

Jak was nine years old, when he attended. I'm going to resist, and not converse with you.

I never said I saw people walk out.I am merely stating what others have told me that saw so many shows.It's just a fact that people walked out of very poor shows that Elvis gave.People did ask for their money back.Thats' not opinion but fact.To glorify every Elvis concert makes no sense.If you saw Elvis in 76 or 77 you never knew what you were going to get.Getlo made a very accurate comment.The one where he asked if the official releases are the only ones you heard.I have a feeling that many of the posters on this thread have only heard the BMG releases.They dont tell the story by a longshot.Try and find Bicenntenial Elvis if you want to hear what a truly awfull concert sounds like.The import releases are a document of his decline.Trying to defend the caliber of his later shows and not admitting what was actaul going on is just being naive or just ignoring the facts.
Jak

[Elvis_Priestly]

True! I still have the ad that was in The Dallas Morning News in the fall of 1971. The ad was for his upcoming Nov. 1971 show at Memorial Auditorium. Ticket prices were $7.50, $10.00 and $15.00 (y)

Here's an interesting little site to calculate today's cost: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

$15.00 = $77
$10 = $51.50
$7.50 = $39

So say $40, $50 and $75.
IIRC the Elvis 2007 concert at the Fedex the tickets were $50, $75 (and $200 for VIP tickets)!

Bon Jovi in Dallas next April, for comparison, the seats are $49.50, $65, $99.50 and $129.50.

[cameron]

I never said I saw people walk out.I am merely stating what others have told me that saw so many shows.It's just a fact that people walked out of very poor shows that Elvis gave.People did ask for their money back.Thats' not opinion but fact.To glorify every Elvis concert makes no sense.If you saw Elvis in 76 or 77 you never knew what you were going to get.Getlo made a very accurate comment.The one where he asked if the official releases are the only ones you heard.I have a feeling that many of the posters on this thread have only heard the BMG releases.They dont tell the story by a longshot.Try and find Bicenntenial Elvis if you want to hear what a truly awfull concert sounds like.The import releases are a document of his decline.Trying to defend the caliber of his later shows and not admitting what was actaul going on is just being naive or just ignoring the facts.
Jak
I saw Elvis in concert 1976 and 1977. I'm neither naive or ignoring "your facts ." He was great !! Older , but quite good, IMO.

[epmoodyblue]

Your friend is indeed lucky to have seen Elvis so many times. But I don't believe for a second he thought every one of those 300 shows was top-notch entertainment.

And no one, least of all me, is suggesting that any amount of negative reviews changes Elvis' value as an entertainer - even in '76 and '77, when he was certainly past his prime.

One has to view shows dispassionately to see them as they really were.my friend was a huge fan and simply went to those concerts expecting to see elvis perform.elvis had become like family seeing him so many times,,he saw outstanding good average shows and ssome very poor from the king..knowing he was only human got older like everyone in life things change..age creeps up ..elvis was no different..he was just overjoyed to see elvis walk out on stage the rest didint matter for him(y):king::cold:

[Merry]

my friend was a huge fan and simply went to those concerts expecting to see elvis perform.elvis had become like family seeing him so many times,,he saw outstanding good average shows and ssome very poor from the king..knowing he was only human got older like everyone in life things change..age creeps up ..elvis was no different..he was just overjoyed to see elvis walk out on stage the rest didint matter for him(y):king::cold:


Well said moodyblue and Cam.

My friend, who also went to the many concerts, was the one who told me about the gamblers.

Have a lovely day,

Kim

[jak]

"elvis was no different..he was just overjoyed to see elvis walk out on stage the rest didint matter for him"

Bingo!!!That's what carried Elvis those last years.That's why it's hard to get an honest critque from most fans that were awestruck.
Jak

[KPM]

And that idea that all of the 70s shows were "sold out" is another myth.Some shows - not too many, but some - had many tickets left by the time The King took to the stage.

But you're right: if I had the chance, I'd go back and watch every single show from front-row centre ... even stuff like Omaha June 1977.

Where is that info from?-thats completely new to anything I have ever read or heard. Having tried to get tickets for all three St. Louis shows 70, 73, and 76 and succeeding only once in 76. The St. Louis shows in 70 and 73 sold out right after it was announced-in 76 it took a few days.
I can say I saw Elvis on March 22, 1976-no one heckled him and he got couple standing ovations.
I also tried to go see him two other times in 76 at the University of Ill in Champaigne and at SIU-Carbondale-both were sold out and I could not get tickets.

[epmoodyblue]

"elvis was no different..he was just overjoyed to see elvis walk out on stage the rest didint matter for him"

Bingo!!!That's what carried Elvis those last years.That's why it's hard to get an honest critque from most fans that were awestruck.
Jaknot so yak my friend was not awestruck by elvis..just a real 100% fan .guess you cant read posts properly..read it again it says *my friend saw many concerts of the king some outstanding some average some poor shows .so he was by no means awestruck .peace to you:king::cold:

[jak]

not so yak my friend was not awestruck by elvis..just a real 100% fan .guess you cant read posts properly..read it again it says *my friend saw many concerts of the king some outstanding some average some poor shows .so he was by no means awestruck .peace to you:king::cold:


Would you like some help removing your foot from your mouth?You stated youre friend was so overjoyed when elvis walked out the rest didnt matter.That's the definition of awestruck.Being awestruck doesnt make your buddy more of a real fan.
Jak

[epmoodyblue]

Would you like some help removing your foot from your mouth?You stated youre friend was so overjoyed when elvis walked out the rest didnt matter.That's the definition of awestruck.Being awestruck doesnt make your buddy more of a real fan.
Jakthe word overjoyed guess freaked you out ..okay for you to put it in simple terms he was always happy to see elvis come out on stage why do you have to complicate things..i know my frieind..he was not awestruck at all...my friend is male ..mabye women get awestruck by seeing elvis not men.not my friend anyways...he has seen some so so concerts..still he still was happy to see elvis simple as that .dont add things or try to interpret words i use your way.im telling the story here not you -you dont know my friend ..and hes one of the few fans who has a complete set of tickets of the aug 77 tour that never was -peace:king::cold:

[Getlo]

he saw outstanding good average shows and ssome very poor from the king

I thought you said your friend "never complained"?

But at least he is honest in his appraisal of some (presumably later) shows.

[Getlo]

He was great !! Older , but quite good, IMO.

"Great" ... "Quite good" ... which was it?

And how did your shows honestly compare to, say, TTWII?

[cameron]

]"Great" ... "Quite good" ... which was it?[/B]

Both !!

And how did your shows honestly compare to, say, TTWII?
Much better , because I was there in person .(y)
What a question .:doh:

[jak]

This is one of those topics that shouldnt cause any arguments at all.We know how things went for Elvis when it came to the quality of his live shows.We have first hand accounts along with some video and tons of audio recordings.I shouldnt leave out the thousands of photo's either.There is no nothing to debate actually.Elvis went from a phenom on the stage to a sad figure at times.Saying that is not sacreligous contrary to what some believe.You cant change history by pretending things were different.It amazes me how so many will not accept any critique of our hero.
Jak

[Getlo]

[/B]
Much better , because I was there in person .(y)
What a question .:doh:

It's a perfectly natural question, I would have thought.

Okay, so take out the fact that you were there in '76 or whenever, and look at the image and basic performance of Elvis when you saw him, and that during TTWII.

Which was better?

Would you still say the shows you saw in the later years were better than August 1970?

Think carefully before answering this too. Take your time. I shall be very interested in the response.

[cameron]

It's a perfectly natural question, I would have thought.

Okay, so take out the fact that you were there in '76 or whenever, and look at the image and basic performance of Elvis when you saw him, and that during TTWII.

Which was better?

Would you still say the shows you saw in the later years were better than August 1970?

Think carefully before answering this too. Take your time. I shall be very interested in the response.

I enjoyed his shows because I was there . Not to listen to some tapes, recordings, etc.
All I could see from pictures/videos was that he was 7 years younger in 1970 and was very ill later on. He did the best he could and gave everything he had....as always. Better in 1970 ? Weren't you? I know I was. (y)

[Getlo]

All I could see from pictures/videos was that he was 7 years younger in 1970 and was very ill later on. He did the best he could and gave everything he had....as always.

Yes, yes, I know all that. But, looking objectively at the two eras - and forgetting that you were actually there * - which of the two eras/ shows was better, ie better effort from Elvis, better attitude etc.


Better in 1970 ? Weren't you? I know I was. (y)


Considering I turned three in 1970, I'd suggest I'm much better now. And if you think you're not as good now as you were in 1970, change your life.

* It's a hypothetical; play along.

[Suzan]

This is one of those topics that shouldnt cause any arguments at all.We know how things went for Elvis when it came to the quality of his live shows.We have first hand accounts along with some video and tons of audio recordings.I shouldnt leave out the thousands of photo's either.There is no nothing to debate actually.Elvis went from a phenom on the stage to a sad figure at times.Saying that is not sacreligous contrary to what some believe.You cant change history by pretending things were different.It amazes me how so many will not accept any critique of our hero.
Jak

They start arguments because they are told that they are wrong for enjoying a show that someone else did not.
I find it amazing that a 9 yr. had so much insight to an Elvis concert.

Yes we all know the state of affairs, but does not mean that some who were adults and at the shows don't have more accurate descriptions. They should not be knocked for that at every turn. If your not a fan of the '70's shows, then by all means express your opinion but don't force your views on others. It's not nice and nobody here likes it being done to them...:(

I've heard from many fans who were at the shows and all contradict what I've been reading from some of you, some only going by what they themselves read and nothing further. I've read some bad reviews of his shows but I've read very good one's as well.

I just find it amazing that fans accuse other fans of having rose colored glasses or distorted views of a man they themselves claim to enjoy yet at every opportunity bash him, to me that is no different then someone who does wear rose colored glasses, and as frustrating as it may be to read the rose colored accts. it's more pleasant than constantly hearing the negatives.

Also, and am including myself, I would have loved to see anyone of us do it better, none of us could pull off even the worst of his shows...

Those that can do, those that can't criticize.

Just once I'd like to see a thread that isn't turned into name calling and negativity and all manner of things.

I quoted you Jak, but my comments are just in general, except for your statement about the arguments.

And was it you? (May not have been if not I apologize) that quoted the forum rules that said RESPECT? Here was my response in case it was missed:

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN...if you want respect you also need to give it. Don't expect anything more of someone else then what you yourself are willing to give.

[cameron]

Agree, Suzan. (y)

[cameron]

Yes, yes, I know all that. But, looking objectively at the two eras - and forgetting that you were actually there * - which of the two eras/ shows was better, ie better effort from Elvis, better attitude etc.




Considering I turned three in 1970, I'd suggest I'm much better now. And if you think you're not as good now as you were in 1970, change your life.

* It's a hypothetical; play along.

I don't play games about Elvis and I take most topics seriously.
I never liked playing games.

Considering we're both 37 years older than 1970.....I think we'd both be better then than now, IMO. ;)

[Suzan]

Agree, Suzan. (y)

Thanks, I just am soooo tired of the negativity and the putting down of people who have opposing view points, quite different if poster is pulling things out of thin air, or no backup of what they are speaking of or refuse to back it up, but for someone to post their actual viewpoint and have that viewpoint bashed and worse yet the poster ridiculed, that is so very un-necessary.

K now back to topic, lol

I personally am a fan of all his shows, the good, the bad and the ugly! Why? Because my rose colored glasses got removed years ago, and what I was left with is a MAN who did HIS BEST (at the time yes it was, considering) to walk out on a stage, give a performance and pray that he pulled thru...reason's for bad shows, yes we know them and some things we may not know BECAUSE WE DID NOT STAND IN THAT MAN'S SHOES. I love him, his warts, his temper, I love him skinny, I love him overweight, I love him fumbling, I love him angry and cussing on stage...Why? Because he has provided more enjoyment in my life then I can count, he left me a debt I will never be able to repay. So if he stumbled and fell, instead of ripping him apart, I embrace him, because he had NOBODY to do that for him while he was alive.
He deserves better, much better then he is getting from some "fans".
Yes I love the 70's shows EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! Because I love ELVIS, ALL OF HIM, not just the good, because that is what love is...you don't pick and choose, you love the whole person, if not, you can't call it love. IMO.

[jak]

They start arguments because they are told that they are wrong for enjoying a show that someone else did not.
I find it amazing that a 9 yr. had so much insight to an Elvis concert.

Yes we all know the state of affairs, but does not mean that some who were adults and at the shows don't have more accurate descriptions. They should not be knocked for that at every turn. If your not a fan of the '70's shows, then by all means express your opinion but don't force your views on others. It's not nice and nobody here likes it being done to them...:(

I've heard from many fans who were at the shows and all contradict what I've been reading from some of you, some only going by what they themselves read and nothing further. I've read some bad reviews of his shows but I've read very good one's as well.

I just find it amazing that fans accuse other fans of having rose colored glasses or distorted views of a man they themselves claim to enjoy yet at every opportunity bash him, to me that is no different then someone who does wear rose colored glasses, and as frustrating as it may be to read the rose colored accts. it's more pleasant than constantly hearing the negatives.

Also, and am including myself, I would have loved to see anyone of us do it better, none of us could pull off even the worst of his shows...

Those that can do, those that can't criticize.

Just once I'd like to see a thread that isn't turned into name calling and negativity and all manner of things.

I quoted you Jak, but my comments are just in general, except for your statement about the arguments.

And was it you? (May not have been if not I apologize) that quoted the forum rules that said RESPECT? Here was my response in case it was missed:

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN...if you want respect you also need to give it. Don't expect anything more of someone else then what you yourself are willing to give.

Youre comments about me are ludicrous.I never said I was going from fristhand experience from his shows.You keep using your "devoted housewife fan logic" to everything about him.Your basing your judgements about his concerts strictly from an idealized point.I base my views with the facts.Elvis gave really crappy shows whether you can handle the truth or not.That's not bashing.That's just the truth.You people are completely blind.You brought up me being 9 when I saw him for some reason.I never used my experience in any post ever to backup my claims.Not once.I dsicuss things I have concrete knowledge about.You couldnt tell me one thing about Elvis concerts.To deny Elvis wasnt lousy at times is pure fantasy.If you had anything other than the official releases you could find this out for yourself.Keep your blinders on if you need to.Elvis appeared live barely able to function at times.This is a fact.It cant be denied.
Jak

[jak]

Thanks, I just am soooo tired of the negativity and the putting down of people who have opposing view points, quite different if poster is pulling things out of thin air, or no backup of what they are speaking of or refuse to back it up, but for someone to post their actual viewpoint and have that viewpoint bashed and worse yet the poster ridiculed, that is so very un-necessary.

K now back to topic, lol

I personally am a fan of all his shows, the good, the bad and the ugly! Why? Because my rose colored glasses got removed years ago, and what I was left with is a MAN who did HIS BEST (at the time yes it was, considering) to walk out on a stage, give a performance and pray that he pulled thru...reason's for bad shows, yes we know them and some things we may not know BECAUSE WE DID NOT STAND IN THAT MAN'S SHOES. I love him, his warts, his temper, I love him skinny, I love him overweight, I love him fumbling, I love him angry and cussing on stage...Why? Because he has provided more enjoyment in my life then I can count, he left me a debt I will never be able to repay. So if he stumbled and fell, instead of ripping him apart, I embrace him, because he had NOBODY to do that for him while he was alive.
He deserves better, much better then he is getting from some "fans".
Yes I love the 70's shows EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! Because I love ELVIS, ALL OF HIM, not just the good, because that is what love is...you don't pick and choose, you love the whole person, if not, you can't call it love. IMO.

You just proved my point better than I ever could.You love everything he did.No matter if he was half dead stoned out of his mind up there.Blind devotion.That's a part of what led to his demise.No matter how crappy he was the fans always screamed and shouted.He didnt have to try anymore to create.People like you were satisfied with the myth.He was whatever you wanted him to be up there.Why should one create,when all one has to do is appear.People like you loved him to death.
Jak

[jak]

"Yes I love the 70's shows EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!"

How could any fan love hearing him struggle so badly at times?I feel bad for him.Maybe they havent heard the truly awfull shows?
Jak

[Suzan]

Youre comments about me are ludicrous.I never said I was going from fristhand experience from his shows.You keep using your "devoted housewife fan logic" to everything about him.Your basing your judgements about his concerts strictly from an idealized point.I base my views with the facts.Elvis gave really crappy shows whether you can handle the truth or not.That's not bashing.That's just the truth.You people are completely blind.You brought up me being 9 when I saw him for some reason.I never used my experience in any post ever to backup my claims.Not once.I dsicuss things I have concrete knowledge about.You couldnt tell me one thing about Elvis concerts.To deny Elvis wasnt lousy at times is pure fantasy.If you had anything other than the official releases you could find this out for yourself.Keep your blinders on if you need to.Elvis appeared live barely able to function at times.This is a fact.It cant be denied.
Jak

Yes hon you did, how would I know how old you were at his shows? How would I know your wife attended numerous times? :hmm::doh:

I don't have blinders, no I don't, you however want to swing everyone to your way of thinking, and that failing you resort to these posts of bashing and name calling, very mature.

I have my opinion, based on FACTS.

Stop bashing me and other forum people here...and don't be so quick to presume that you know the first thing about anyone here, least of all me.:D ;)

And sweetheart, I was a little girl when all this took place, I had nothing to do w/his state of affairs. ;) Those that went to the horrid concerts, who continued to pay, may want to address that to them.;)

[Suzan]

You just proved my point better than I ever could.You love everything he did.No matter if he was half dead stoned out of his mind up there.Blind devotion.That's a part of what led to his demise.No matter how crappy he was the fans always screamed and shouted.He didnt have to try anymore to create.People like you were satisfied with the myth.He was whatever you wanted him to be up there.Why should one create,when all one has to do is appear.People like you loved him to death.
Jak

Did you not pay to go to those shows, or your parents? Then by your logic they had a hand in his demise, for they gave the money, they sold out the shows...some of them anyway, and good attendance at others.:) I was a little girl, I did not go to the shows.:D
Once again I find myself saying to you....for every finger that points at another 4 more pointing back at you. :D

[Suzan]

"Yes I love the 70's shows EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!"

How could any fan love hearing him struggle so badly at times?I feel bad for him.Maybe they havent heard the truly awfull shows?
Jak


That is my opinion, no more wrong then yours. :D

And did you not read the rest of my post as to my reasons? I didn't say I loved hearing him struggle you obviously (and sadly) missed the entire point of my response.:(

How does a "fan" hate Elvis so much that they find it necessary to bring him down at every turn? Wow truly amazing and incredibly sad.

Have a pleasant evening. (y)

[Suzan]

If I and anyone here had the talent that Elvis carried in his little finger and did a show, even one at it's worst I would consider us fortunate.

Those that can, do, those that can't, criticize.:)

ELVIS is the "King of Rock n Roll" from the '50's to his last breath. Good show, bad show, painful to hear, yes, but some of us truly loved him, the whole him, not bits and pieces.:D

[cameron]

You just proved my point better than I ever could.You love everything he did.No matter if he was half dead stoned out of his mind up there.Blind devotion.That's a part of what led to his demise.No matter how crappy he was the fans always screamed and shouted.He didnt have to try anymore to create.People like you were satisfied with the myth.He was whatever you wanted him to be up there.Why should one create,when all one has to do is appear.People like you loved him to death.
Jak
The thing is; there are some that do not believe what "everyone" says.
We look further than all the nasty things said to determine the cause .
That's why some look "beyond the myth" that was created in their own minds and find the man.
I did not scream nor shout at his concerts . I looked at the man; doing the best he could. To give his fans something to tear him down , no matter what he did. :'(

[Suzan]

The thing is; there are some that do not believe what "everyone" says.
We look further than all the nasty things said to determine the cause .
That's why some look "beyond the myth" that was created in their own minds and find the man.
I did not scream nor shout at his concerts . I looked at the man; doing the best he could. To give his fans something to tear him down , no matter what he did. :'(

Thank YOU CAMERON that is what I was trying to say, and did I thought?
Thank you thank you thank you!(y):notworthy
Some are happy to tear him down because in some small way it helps them feel better about themselves.

[cameron]

Yes, it seems to bring out the disappoinment of their perception in the myth; not of the man some came to know that we knew and loved just because he was what he was.

[Suzan]

Yes, it seems to bring out the disappoinment of their perception in the myth; not of the man some came to know that we knew and loved just because he was what he was.

Exactly! Never once did I say it wasn't embarrassing to hear him stumble, but I loved all of him, like I love my family and friends, their warts and all, love is all encompassing, IMO...otherwise it's not love, know what I mean?

I don't see why someone got so mean w/me over what I posted??????

[jak]

"Yes hon you did, how would I know how old you were at his shows? How would I know your wife attended numerous times?"

Hey Hon
You might want to be a little more carefull when you read.I said I never used my experience to backup my claims.I only said I saw him at nine.Big difference.I offered nothing about my experience that night to backup my posts.I never said I knew there was something wrong with him that night from my memory.Absolutely nowhere did I say that.I was merely saying I saw him.My wife has forgotten more about Elvis than most will ever know.She staked out Graceland for something like 20 or 24 hours waiting to watch him leave for the last tour on 77.Once in his car she raced to the airport and beat him there.She got to talk to him briefly for the last time and got her last autograph.He also gave her his empty water bottle.She could tell you quite a lot that you wouldnt want to hear concerning Elvis.You would just say she isnt a "real" fan like yourself.
Jak

[jak]

The thing is; there are some that do not believe what "everyone" says.
We look further than all the nasty things said to determine the cause .
That's why some look "beyond the myth" that was created in their own minds and find the man.
I did not scream nor shout at his concerts . I looked at the man; doing the best he could. To give his fans something to tear him down , no matter what he did. :'(

I never once discussed the cause of his bad shows.I am merely stating he gave many bad shows in spite of what people want to believe.Your overprotective mommy mode kicks in when somebody has the gall to expose the reality of Elvis life that goes against the myth that has been cultivated.If you dont believe he gave some shows that he deserved to be critisized for,you are embracing the myth.
Jak

[Suzan]

"Yes hon you did, how would I know how old you were at his shows? How would I know your wife attended numerous times?"

Hey Hon
You might want to be a little more carefull when you read.I said I never used my experience to backup my claims.I only said I saw him at nine.Big difference.I offered nothing about my experience that night to backup my posts.I never said I knew there was something wrong with him that night from my memory.Absolutely nowhere did I say that.I was merely saying I saw him.My wife has forgotten more about Elvis than most will ever know.She staked out Graceland for something like 20 or 24 hours waiting to watch him leave for the last tour on 77.Once in his car she raced to the airport and beat him there.She got to talk to him briefly for the last time and got her last autograph.He also gave her his empty water bottle.She could tell you quite a lot that you wouldnt want to hear concerning Elvis.You would just say she isnt a "real" fan like yourself.
Jak


Sweetheart, you'd be amazed. ;)
I know way more then what you presume, make no mistake.;)
Very presumptuous of you to think you know what I would say.;):doh:

[Suzan]

I never once discussed the cause of his bad shows.I am merely stating he gave many bad shows in spite of what people want to believe.Your overprotective mommy mode kicks in when somebody has the gall to expose the reality of Elvis life that goes against the myth that has been cultivated.If you dont believe he gave some shows that he deserved to be critisized for,you are embracing the myth.
Jak

Wow the ego...I don't know whether to laugh or what?

I wonder what it feels like to be so perfect?:hmm:

Do you have anything positive to say about him? Just curious.

And why do speak down to every single poster who doesn't happen to share your viewpoint? Does that make you feel important and better then other's? If so I'm sad for you. You've not the first clue about anyone here, because you've not taken the time to find out, your to busy calling us names and presuming things about us you couldn't possibly know.

Why don't you be nice? If you don't have anything nice to say to someone, don't say anything at all. :D Manners 101.

[Suzan]

A certain someone's recent post's have notta to do w/the thread, so...lets get back on topic...

Cameron what did you enjoy about the shows?

[jak]

Wow the ego...I don't know whether to laugh or what?

I wonder what it feels like to be so perfect?:hmm:

Do you have anything positive to say about him? Just curious.

And why do speak down to every single poster who doesn't happen to share your viewpoint? Does that make you feel important and better then other's? If so I'm sad for you. You've not the first clue about anyone here, because you've not taken the time to find out, your to busy calling us names and presuming things about us you couldn't possibly know.

Why don't you be nice? If you don't have anything nice to say to someone, don't say anything at all. :D Manners 101.

Where's the ego?Posters that imply he didnt give terrible shows need to be corrected because they are wrong.

[jak]

Sweetheart, you'd be amazed. ;)
I know way more then what you presume, make no mistake.;)
Very presumptuous of you to think you know what I would say.;):doh:

You were so young back then.How can you know anything?Sound familiar?You must have been really perceptive.

[Suzan]

Where's the ego?Posters that imply he didnt give terrible shows need to be corrected because they are wrong.

Wrong? According to whom? You? Wow. :lmfao::doh:

[Suzan]

You were so young back then.How can you know anything?Sound familiar?You must have been really perceptive.


There you go persuming again...where honey did I say I was referencing when I was younger? That's quite the ego.

And once again I'm having to request yet in ANOTHER thread, that you stay on topic and quit insulting and harrassing people. And again for every finger you point at someone else, there are 4 more pointing back at you.;)

Have a pleasant day.

And yes I stand by what I wrote:


Sweetheart, you'd be amazed.
I know way more then what you presume, make no mistake.
Very presumptuous of you to think you know what I would say.

:D :hug:

[jak]

There you go persuming again...where honey did I say I was referencing when I was younger? That's quite the ego.

And once again I'm having to request yet in ANOTHER thread, that you stay on topic and quit insulting and harrassing people. And again for every finger you point at someone else, there are 4 more pointing back at you.;)

Have a pleasant day.

And yes I stand by what I wrote:



:D :hug:

Everything about him happened when you were younger hon.So how can you know anything?That's what you said about me.Works both ways.

[jak]

Wrong? According to whom? You? Wow. :lmfao::doh:

Me and all the evidence he left behind.Once again you imply he didnt give poor shows.That's absurd.

[Suzan]

Me and all the evidence he left behind.Once again you imply he didnt give poor shows.That's absurd.

Show me where I said that, please I'd love to see it.

:hug: you seem to be in need of one.

[Suzan]

Everything about him happened when you were younger hon.So how can you know anything?That's what you said about me.Works both ways.

Show me where I said that about you? Do you actually read thru my posts or u see a sentence that sets you off and you just don't bother w/the rest?
How do you know? That logic can be applied to you as well...
Not that I owe you any sort of explanation, but I am a nice person, so I will answer your inquiry...
I've spoken to people that KNEW HIM that were THERE, that were OLDER then either you or I....
I've read a LOT...prob. more then you'd be willing to give me credit for.
And sweetheart luv, I do know, but if it makes you feel better to think that you know it all and nobody else, well darlin you go right ahead and enjoy yourself.

:hug: you seem to need one, I am sorry your so angry, I wish you happiness and peace of mind.:hug:

[jak]

"Wrong? According to whom? You? Wow"

Right here is where you IMPLIED it hon.I never said you said it.Read carefully.Me uses big words sometimes.

[Suzan]

Tonight I listened to Elvis' 9m performance on December 5th 1976 Las Vegas concert..I found this review of a fan who was at the show and wanted to share it with you. Let me warn you, it's not a warm feeling you get after reading it.

"It's December 5th 1976, and again we're seated at the back of the Hilton Show Room. We're to witness the 9 o clock show that Sunday evening. After some 25 minutes of Jackie Kahane, we look at our watches and wonder why hasn't he closed his act yet. Behine the gold coloured curtain we see some movement. Kahane walks to the curtain and listens for a minute or two. "Ladies and gentlement I'm being asked to go on just a little bit longer there seems to be a few minor problems upstairs in Elvis' suite. Elvis seemingly Sprained his ankle, But don't you worry, he'll be on stage shortly. Long Intermission...Lights Dim.

'Also Sprach Zarathustra' begins. The curtain goes up and the band rips into a beat. Our eyes from the left to the right side of the stage. We are nervous, and so are the musicians. Wilkinson and Burton look at each other like 'what the hell is going on'. Finally There's Elvis!

From the left side of the stage, Elvis leaning on Charlie Hodge, LIMPS on. He looks bad. His face is pale and bloated, and his hair wet and hanging down over his eyes. It's like he came out from under the shower. The band's playing is very tense. It's an eerie atmosphere when Charlie hands Elvis his guitar. He grins sleepishly and stumbles to the microphone. My first impression of seeing him like this is that of a man who has had to many drinks. After finishing "See See Rider" he explains to the audience why hes late. A not-so-convincing story about having slipped in the bathroom and sprained his ankle. His voice is slurred and he is not in control of his body movements.

Elvis continue's with "I got a women" and then spends more time talking. His voice sounds weak, his eyes are glazed. " Blue Christmas" and "That's Allright" are followed by Elvis asking the audience if they wouldn't mind if he sat down. Someone from the audience requests "Are You Lonesome Tonight". After finishing the song Elvis starts boasting about his Black Diamond ring. In a very low melodramatic voice he says, "I swear to God (pause) it took me 14 years to find a black diamond Stone". And on and on he goes.

By now, Elvis' speech is boring the pants off many a punter in the audience and when several people, close to us, start clapping their hands and stomping their feet in a demanding way, Elvis pauses for a second and says, " We got a tap dance formation in the back". He continues his speech and people start to leave the showroom. Meanwhile the musicians behine Elvis are getting very annoyed with what is going on in front of them. The tension in the show room and onstage is getting worse and worse. More and More people leaving the showroom muttering they want their money back. Just when things are at an all time low, Elvis snaps out of it and his mind returns from twilight zone. Slowly he climbs from the stool, the legs still abit shaky but the voice is less slurred. From there on things do improve, although none of the songs that follow reach the performing quality of the previous nights.

After about an hour he thanks the audience, sings "Can't Help Falling In Love" and walks off stage..WITHOUT LIMPING ONCE!

"The review is respectfully borrowed from Elvis The Man And His Music NO.18 Published in March of 1993.

Since some don't comprehend staying on topic am swinging it back! :D

Brad thank you SO MUCH for posting this, truly lovely to read...nice to know that he was still capable of putting on a great show, sad that not all were that way.:(

[jak]

I've gone back over many of these posts on this volatile thread and came to a conclusion.It looks like everybody knows Elvis gave poor concerts.Even the real fans which I guess Im not.It just appears that the real fans have dictated that we are not supposed to talk about poor shows openly.Those things are best forgotten about.It's all much clearer now.
Jak

[Suzan]

Since some don't comprehend staying on topic am swinging it back! :D Hopefully they'll eventually understand the concept of staying on topic and not ruining prefectly good threads.



Originally Posted by BradM
Tonight I listened to Elvis' 9m performance on December 5th 1976 Las Vegas concert..I found this review of a fan who was at the show and wanted to share it with you. Let me warn you, it's not a warm feeling you get after reading it.

"It's December 5th 1976, and again we're seated at the back of the Hilton Show Room. We're to witness the 9 o clock show that Sunday evening. After some 25 minutes of Jackie Kahane, we look at our watches and wonder why hasn't he closed his act yet. Behine the gold coloured curtain we see some movement. Kahane walks to the curtain and listens for a minute or two. "Ladies and gentlement I'm being asked to go on just a little bit longer there seems to be a few minor problems upstairs in Elvis' suite. Elvis seemingly Sprained his ankle, But don't you worry, he'll be on stage shortly. Long Intermission...Lights Dim.

'Also Sprach Zarathustra' begins. The curtain goes up and the band rips into a beat. Our eyes from the left to the right side of the stage. We are nervous, and so are the musicians. Wilkinson and Burton look at each other like 'what the hell is going on'. Finally There's Elvis!

From the left side of the stage, Elvis leaning on Charlie Hodge, LIMPS on. He looks bad. His face is pale and bloated, and his hair wet and hanging down over his eyes. It's like he came out from under the shower. The band's playing is very tense. It's an eerie atmosphere when Charlie hands Elvis his guitar. He grins sleepishly and stumbles to the microphone. My first impression of seeing him like this is that of a man who has had to many drinks. After finishing "See See Rider" he explains to the audience why hes late. A not-so-convincing story about having slipped in the bathroom and sprained his ankle. His voice is slurred and he is not in control of his body movements.

Elvis continue's with "I got a women" and then spends more time talking. His voice sounds weak, his eyes are glazed. " Blue Christmas" and "That's Allright" are followed by Elvis asking the audience if they wouldn't mind if he sat down. Someone from the audience requests "Are You Lonesome Tonight". After finishing the song Elvis starts boasting about his Black Diamond ring. In a very low melodramatic voice he says, "I swear to God (pause) it took me 14 years to find a black diamond Stone". And on and on he goes.

By now, Elvis' speech is boring the pants off many a punter in the audience and when several people, close to us, start clapping their hands and stomping their feet in a demanding way, Elvis pauses for a second and says, " We got a tap dance formation in the back". He continues his speech and people start to leave the showroom. Meanwhile the musicians behine Elvis are getting very annoyed with what is going on in front of them. The tension in the show room and onstage is getting worse and worse. More and More people leaving the showroom muttering they want their money back. Just when things are at an all time low, Elvis snaps out of it and his mind returns from twilight zone. Slowly he climbs from the stool, the legs still abit shaky but the voice is less slurred. From there on things do improve, although none of the songs that follow reach the performing quality of the previous nights.

After about an hour he thanks the audience, sings "Can't Help Falling In Love" and walks off stage..WITHOUT LIMPING ONCE!

"The review is respectfully borrowed from Elvis The Man And His Music NO.18 Published in March of 1993.
Brad thank you SO MUCH for posting this, truly lovely to read...nice to know that he was still capable of putting on a great show, sad that not all were that way.:(

:hug::hug: just for you, muah.:)

[Tommy]

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