Are the MM still friends?

[franny]

I was just wondering if all the MM remained good friends' over the years? :hmm:

Does anyone know?

franny

[Unchained Melody]

I'm not sure Franny..I would like to think they still talk with each other.

[Suzan]

Most of them do...they keep in touch...but I think there are factions now, it's not the whole group talking to ea. other. :(

[poormansgold]

not another tread on MM. ol whatever, I'm not put your tread down or you, I'm scare that anothers put ts tread down like anothers tread about MM.
Some MM still Friends and some not.
Tom

[Unchained Melody]

Here's something I recall reading but may be a lilttle offtopic.. Last I heard Billy Smith still lives back in Tupelo now working...always thought that was interesting.

[Suzan]

Here's something I recall reading but may be a lilttle offtopic.. Last I heard Billy Smith still lives back in Tupelo now working...always thought that was interesting.

He said he was back in MS and I always wondered where, thanks for that info Brad.:) I wonder how he likes Tupelo? And if the memories are there or if so much has changed that he doesn't recognize it anymore, you know what I mean? :)

[Unchained Melody]

Yes I know exactly what you mean.

I guess it's home to him. I mean thats where all the Smiths' lived before they left for Memphis when the Presley family moved there. I'm sure things have changed there..just like everything else that changes.

It saddens me that Lisa doesn't associate with any of her father's side of the family (Besides Patsy) as we saw her on elvis by the presley's.

[Tony Trout]

As far as I can remember, Billy and Marty and Red and Sonny and Lamar all have stayed in contact with each other fairly regularly but they don't have anything to do with Jerry or George or Joe Esposito.

George and Marty tried to patch things up with each other several years ago but...it didn't work out that way...

I think it's basically a 50/50 split right down the middle as far as who likes who in the MM and who doesn't. Most all of them hated Larry Geller.....and how he wormed himself back into the group in late '76 is beyond me....

[Suzan]

As far as I can remember, Billy and Marty and Red and Sonny and Lamar all have stayed in contact with each other fairly regularly but they don't have anything to do with Jerry or George or Joe Esposito.

George and Marty tried to patch things up with each other several years ago but...it didn't work out that way...

I think it's basically a 50/50 split right down the middle as far as who likes who in the MM and who doesn't. Most all of them hated Larry Geller.....and how he wormed himself back into the group in late '76 is beyond me....


I've wondered about that last part as well, Sonny I think has made up w/some of them. I don't know about Red.

I am also wondering how in the world Geller got past Pris again? LOL

[Suzan]

Yes I know exactly what you mean.

I guess it's home to him. I mean thats where all the Smiths' lived before they left for Memphis when the Presley family moved there. I'm sure things have changed there..just like everything else that changes.

It saddens me that Lisa doesn't associate with any of her father's side of the family (Besides Patsy) as we saw her on elvis by the presley's.


:D thanks, I wasn't sure if how I wrote it was what was in my head.LOL

I think some things have change, I'm sure, like you said, as it has everywhere else, but the hardware store is still there.:)
Elvis birthplace has changed a lot...I wish they'd not tampered w/that house either, so people got the true sense of where he came from and where he got to. Lisa has been there a couple times, I liked hearing about that.

I know what you mean, I wish she had more input about her dad from his side of the family, other then Patsy, though Patsy does speak highly of Elvis.

[cameron]

I agree with Tony. I think it's about a 50/50 split. There's always seemed to be a division that way.
{Not meaning this wrong; there seemed be two different classes,IMO.}


As to Geller. I've not seen him say a bad word about any of them.
He gets a tad melodramatic , but he and Elvis related.
He's someone Elvis wanted in his life. He did less harm than any of them, IMO.

[riley]

me too I tought Larry was OK but I do know Pris did not like him at all and now they are on speaking terms again

[Suzan]

I heard same thing Riley.
I think Larry is a drama mama, he's not spoken ill of Elvis and his book was so so, I just think he exagerates his role in Elvis life...I believe Sonny, I don't think Larry was around as much as he says he was.
I have a friend who knows him says he's super nice guy, that could very well be, I don't think he's not a nice guy, I just don't buy everything that he says about his relationship w/Elvis.

Like I said in my first post, near the top, there are factions now, it is not the MM that was during Elvis time. :(

[Donut]

The impression I get is there are two groups, the one that operates Priscilla´s way (the good ones) and the one that don´t want to play her game (the bad ones) even though they are all doing the same in relation to Elvis from 77 only in a different fashion.
Did anyone see the note in elvis.com when Charlie Hodge died? It said one of the good guys have died....

[ksimms2]

I agree with Tony. I think it's about a 50/50 split. There's always seemed to be a division that way.
{Not meaning this wrong; there seemed be two different classes,IMO.}


As to Geller. I've not seen him say a bad word about any of them.
He gets a tad melodramatic , but he and Elvis related.
He's someone Elvis wanted in his life. He did less harm than any of them, IMO.

How are Larry Geller and Elvis related? I don't recall hearing anything about that. Larry is a hairstylist that Elvis found and liked - and hired away from whoever Larry was working for at the time.

[ksimms2]

nevermind...I took it in the wrong context - they "related" not are "related" sorry cameron....it's early here....still half asleep.

[Suzan]

The impression I get is there are two groups, the one that operates Priscilla´s way (the good ones) and the one that don´t want to play her game (the bad ones) even though they are all doing the same in relation to Elvis from 77 only in a different fashion.
Did anyone see the note in elvis.com when Charlie Hodge died? It said one of the good guys have died....

Hi donut, yay your back.:D I enjoy your posts very much.:)

Yes I think your dead on w/that description, I call them factions LOL.
And yes I did see that w/Charlie's passing....I didn't think it was necessary, but maybe they didn't mean it in context it was taken? Anyhow I found it odd that neither Pris nor Lisa attended even though Charlie still saw them from time to time...yet Pris went to Col.'s funeral and even spoke, which I found odd considering she took him to court to oust him. JMO

[Donut]

Hi donut, yay your back.:D I enjoy your posts very much.:)

Yes I think your dead on w/that description, I call them factions LOL.
And yes I did see that w/Charlie's passing....I didn't think it was necessary, but maybe they didn't mean it in context it was taken? Anyhow I found it odd that neither Pris nor Lisa attended even though Charlie still saw them from time to time...yet Pris went to Col.'s funeral and even spoke, which I found odd considering she took him to court to oust him. JMO

Thank you for your compliment Suzan, I enjoy your posts too ;).
I know it´s off topic but like you I always found that relation with the Col. strange. It seems to me that the only thing that bothers her is how they all speak of her because I find what the Col. did to Elvis concerning his earnings more abussive and a reason to cut all relations than other things the MM have done.

[riley]

all odd indeed.

The good ones and the bad ones....

haha almost a title for a new movie about them:lmfao:

[Donut]

all odd indeed.

The good ones and the bad ones....

haha almost a title for a new movie about them:lmfao:

Yeah The Good, The Bad and The Ugly like the film. Guess how they sort the scrips for this one...

[riley]

haha that's a good one
you made me laugh Donut:lol:


guess in every family is a good a bad and an ugly:lol:

[Suzan]

Thank you for your compliment Suzan, I enjoy your posts too ;).
I know it´s off topic but like you I always found that relation with the Col. strange. It seems to me that the only thing that bothers her is how they all speak of her because I find what the Col. did to Elvis concerning his earnings more abussive and a reason to cut all relations than other things the MM have done.

Your so very welcome.:notworthy

Thank you donut for the nice compliment.:D

I know I think the same way, but then again I think Pris thinks it's more important her image then Elvis's...I really do think that, going by all that she's said and done and how it's always about her and what she went thru, yadda yadda yadda...lol. And yes absolutely in agreement with you, the Col. @ times was way worse for and to Elvis then the MM ever were so I don't get that whole thing w/her.

[MissyM]

Billy lives in MS. but not Tupelo. They are divided in terms of how they are looked upon by Pricilla, that's for sure. As for the Col. and Pric. they understand each other perfectly. That was their bond. I mean how can one bash the other when they know they are of the same type.

[Suzan]

Billy lives in MS. but not Tupelo. They are divided in terms of how they are looked upon by Pricilla, that's for sure. As for the Col. and Pric. they understand each other perfectly. That was their bond. I mean how can one bash the other when they know they are of the same type.

Thank you MissyM...I'd not heard he was in Tupelo but did hear back in MS...I hope that he has found happiness and peace, he is such a nice man (going by all the interviews I've seen and read). I really really like him and my heart broke when I read what Vernon did then Prissy.
And yes, very well put, I think Col. and Pris were the same in that they want and need that control (well he did while alive). I found it quite humorous (somewhat) when Col. made a statement for the stamp ceremony, he was living in Vegas at the time, he said something to the effect "They say that I exploited him, what I did is nothing compared to what they are doing today." I will have to find the direct quote but to me it spoke volumes.

[MissyM]

Yes, what they did to Billy was unfair. How do you treat someone like that who was there to comfort, laugh with, and befriend someone you say you love in the last hours of their life?? That says it all to me when it comes to Pricilla. She let him work at Graceland till, he didn't bow to her. It's disgusting IMO. Billy has Jo, the kids and the grandkids, he is fine.

[Suzan]

Yes, what they did to Billy was unfair. How do you treat someone like that who was there to comfort, laugh with, and befriend someone you say you love in the last hours of their life?? That says it all to me when it comes to Pricilla. She let him work at Graceland till, he didn't bow to her. It's disgusting IMO. Billy has Jo, the kids and the grandkids, he is fine.

It's beyond low...the more I hear of her and from her the more I dislike her...I used to think she was great once upon a time...:lmfao:
It is disgusting, shoot first of all, he should have been given a better position then tour guide...he knew that home and it's history helluva lot better then she did....he was around way way way b4 she ever got there...but like you said, he didn't bow down to her and his FACTS clashed w/her PR spin and her attempts to rewrite history, case in point the comments she made on Larry King. LOL

Thank you for the update on Billy that is truly fantastic to hear.

Hey your inbox is full ;)

[presley31]

I agree with Tony. I think it's about a 50/50 split. There's always seemed to be a division that way.
{Not meaning this wrong; there seemed be two different classes,IMO.}


As to Geller. I've not seen him say a bad word about any of them.
He gets a tad melodramatic , but he and Elvis related.
He's someone Elvis wanted in his life. He did less harm than any of them, IMO.

l agree
enjoy reading stuff from Geller

[MissyM]

My in box is full again. Let me get more coffee and then I will tend to that. It really does my heart good to hear some of the opinions about Billy. I hope to pass them on.

[Suzan]

My in box is full again. Let me get more coffee and then I will tend to that. It really does my heart good to hear some of the opinions about Billy. I hope to pass them on.

LOL ok.:D

I don't know about anyone else but I've always always always liked Billy and when I heard what happened w/Vernon it broke my heart, because no way no way no way would Elvis EVER have even entertained the idea of doing that to Billy...they loved ea. other, like brothers, is the feeling I got. Even in the book and interviews you can truly see Billy's discomfort in discussing the not so good things about Elvis...to me if I had to pick the ONE person who was there for LOVE and nothing else, HANDS DOWN BILLY!

Again thank you so much for updating us on his life now...truly great to hear.

[Suzan]

Just a thought and sort of off topic...

I think it would be great for Billy to write a book alone, telling the whole family history and his life w/Elvis from beginning to end...like I said he's the one that knows it all, truly knows it, as he was there b4 anyone else, or anyone that is left that could tell it. You know what I'm trying to convey? LOL :D

[MissyM]

I think it is a great idea. He was going to before Revelations. Now might be a good time but people would say it was to make money off of Elvis. Basically he is in a no win situation. He does talks and that is his way of sharing Elvis.

[Suzan]

I think it is a great idea. He was going to before Revelations. Now might be a good time but people would say it was to make money off of Elvis. Basically he is in a no win situation. He does talks and that is his way of sharing Elvis.

I wish he would, I wouldn't think that, I think the one's who wrote books for the 30th did it for a buck, and look @ Joe, how many books has he published already?
I seriously think Billy should write his own book, I definately would buy it and defend it and him.
K I take back about the 30th, I don't think Sonny did it for that.

[elvis himselvis]

When I look at Larry Geller,I always feel sad for him...how would they spoke about him if Elvis wasn't watching...I don't think he always had a good time.
Does anybody know what Elvis thought about how the other guys were doing to Larry?

[Suzan]

When I look at Larry Geller,I always feel sad for him...how would they spoke about him if Elvis wasn't watching...I don't think he always had a good time.
Does anybody know what Elvis thought about how the other guys were doing to Larry?

Hi. :D
Great question, I don't know I've not read anyone address that, except for Larry in his book, but again, it's coming from Larry, so I don't know.:(
From what I've heard Elvis preferred to avoid problems and issues and usually ignored things, you know the addeage (sp? escapes me at moment lol), ignore it and it will go away, apparently Elvis believed it. So maybe he never did address it or confront the issue? Just a thought. :D

[Unchained Melody]

Yes, what they did to Billy was unfair. How do you treat someone like that who was there to comfort, laugh with, and befriend someone you say you love in the last hours of their life?? That says it all to me when it comes to Pricilla. She let him work at Graceland till, he didn't bow to her. It's disgusting IMO. Billy has Jo, the kids and the grandkids, he is fine.

I agree. Billy is a great guy imo..in the last year or so of Elvis' life Billy was with Elvis 18 to 20 hours a day..that was said by Marty Lacker if you are wondering. Elvis thought very high of him, its ashame Lisa and them don't. Thats a disgrace imo.

[Suzan]

I agree. Billy is a great guy imo..in the last year or so of Elvis' life Billy was with Elvis 18 to 20 hours a day..that was said by Marty Lacker if you are wondering. Elvis thought very high of him, its ashame Lisa and them don't. Thats a disgrace imo.

(y):notworthy dead on! Go you! (y)
In as much as I love Lisa, that is the one thing that I don't understand, I'm not in her shoes, but to me it would just seem that she would want to know Billy, Billy I think is truly a great source of info on her dad...I understand her anger in what she perceives to be betrayal of her dad, I agree where Lamar is concerned and to a degree Lacker...some things should just be left unsaid, however, I think it's grossy unfair to place it on Billy's doorstep. And if betrayal is the core of it for Lisa, then they did no different then her mom, or anyone else in Elvis' circle who have spoken to the media, or written a book. Yes I agree they tried to take his dignity and that is all he ever wanted, but I think that more applies to comments Lamar made then anything or anyone else, IMO. I wish Lamar no ill will, he just happens to not be on my list of people I like.

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Personally I believe there was always factions within the MM, it is just more pronounced now that Elvis is no longer here!

Most of the guys jostled for Elvis' attention and had different elements within their personality that drew them to Elvis.

Lets be honest some of these guys were there to just look after Elvis (Sonny & Red) and the personality traits they had would reflect that. Others were there to take care of the day to day things Elvis needed (Charlie or Joe) and others a more philosophical side (Larry)

So some of these guys were like oil and water but Elvis liked something about them and that's what linked the together.

[Suzan]

Personally I believe there was always factions within the MM, it is just more pronounced now that Elvis is no longer here!

Most of the guys jostled for Elvis' attention and had different elements within their personality that drew them to Elvis.

Lets be honest some of these guys were there to just look after Elvis (Sonny & Red) and the personality traits they had would reflect that. Others were there to take care of the day to day things Elvis needed (Charlie or Joe) and others a more philosophical side (Larry)

So some of these guys were like oil and water but Elvis liked something about them and that's what linked the together.

(y) I think that is a fair assessment...and by their own acct. they had disagreements, etc...so the discord was there, but like you said, Elvis was there to keep it together. I think ea. in their own way was quite lost when Elvis died. I think that in as much as they took care of him, he to in his way, took care of them.
Interesting to me also, is that after marriage Pris had him fire some of those she didn't like and I don't believe Sonny & Red were on that list, but even way back then she had issues w/some of them and she to felt more free to exert her "power" toward those she disliked after Elvis' passing. IMO.:)

[riley]

Suzana,

who did she dislike from the very beginning

[Suzan]

Suzana,

who did she dislike from the very beginning

I have heard she did not like Marty Lacker...let me put it this way, a lot shorter, lol, she liked Jerry, Joe, and Sonny, I am not sure about Red. But Sonny covered for her a lot w/Elvis when she was having affairs, and maybe that was also why in the end she turned on him, because he knew too much, you know?

[jak]

Once again the admiration for Billy is expressed and rightfully so.I still wonder however why nobody wonders why Billy hasnt denounced the other members of the MM?Surely he knows their true character far better than we.Doesnt that tell you anything?
Jak

[Suzan]

Once again the admiration for Billy is expressed and rightfully so.I still wonder however why nobody wonders why Billy hasnt denounced the other members of the MM?Surely he knows their true character far better than we.Doesnt that tell you anything?
Jak

Because he is a nice person and above that, come to think of it I've not heard anyone say anything bad about Billy either, not that I remember?
I'm not understaning your last 2 sentences well enough to answer your question on that score.:)

[riley]

thanks Suzana for your reply on my question

[jak]

Because he is a nice person and above that, come to think of it I've not heard anyone say anything bad about Billy either, not that I remember?
I'm not understaning your last 2 sentences well enough to answer your question on that score.:)

My point is that Billy Smith is generally well regarded in most circles.It's commonly thought he genuinely cared for Elvis.Why would Billy associate with the other MM if they wronged Elvis so greatly?He was right there in the thick of things.Wouldnt he denounce them if they were so bad for Elvis?Billy has never come out and said those guys were a bunch of evil liers.Wouldnt he be the one to stick up for Elvis if he could.I too admire Billy.The fact he doesnt slam the other members of the MM tells me that he has no problem with them or what theve done over the years.That should be somewhat of an eye opener for the MM bashers out there.
Jak

[Suzan]

My point is that Billy Smith is generally well regarded in most circles.It's commonly thought he genuinely cared for Elvis.Why would Billy associate with the other MM if they wronged Elvis so greatly?He was right there in the thick of things.Wouldnt he denounce them if they were so bad for Elvis?Billy has never come out and said those guys were a bunch of evil liers.Wouldnt he be the one to stick up for Elvis if he could.I too admire Billy.The fact he doesnt slam the other members of the MM tells me that he has no problem with them or what theve done over the years.That should be somewhat of an eye opener for the MM bashers out there.
Jak


Oh ok, I see what your saying now....good ?....I don't think he likes all of them, ahem....Joe, Stanley's, etc...I'll have to re-read some of the MM book w/him, Lacker and Fike, but again I think he has to much class to not say anything bad about those guys. I really believe that. But you have some very interesting and good points.
I love Billy (I don't know him, but by love I mean how he conducts himself, how he comes across) he to me is genuine and I can feel the love he has for Elvis when I see televised interviews w/him or interviews on DVD. I am glad that other's don't bash him, he doesn't deserve that treatment, not that anyone does, but shoot I hope you know what I mean. lol

[Suzan]

thanks Suzana for your reply on my question

Your very welcome, always! :hug: That is my opinion, when I get a free moment I will look up more info on that if you would like?

[riley]

it's OK Sue. It is a bit who I figured out it was.
Joe and Jerry indeed were and are still her favourites.
But I don't know she still is in contact with Joe nowadays or with his ex Joannie.
They used to be good friends tough...

[Suzan]

it's OK Sue. It is a bit who I figured out it was.
Joe and Jerry indeed were and are still her favourites.
But I don't know she still is in contact with Joe nowadays or with his ex Joannie.
They used to be good friends tough...

Yes she is, not as frequent as b4 w/Joe but yes still in touch.
Same w/Joannie....matter of fact Joannie was interviewed for the bio special on Pris. Her last name now is Kardashian, you know who that is right? ;)

[jak]

Billy was devoted to Elvis.Personally I think if any of the MM were spreading great untruths about Elvis he would speak up and defend him.I believe his silence speaks to the credibility of the others who are constantly put down.
Jak

[Suzan]

Billy was devoted to Elvis.Personally I think if any of the MM were spreading great untruths about Elvis he would speak up and defend him.I believe his silence speaks to the credibility of the others who are constantly put down.
Jak

Possibly, or could be he doesn't want to address it, like Lisa and some other's from the inner circle choose what to comment and what not to comment on. I hope that makes sense, what I'm trying to say?

[cameron]

http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_billysmith_part1.html

Billy addresses a lot of things in his interview.
I'm sure some will disagree with him too. :hmm:

[jak]

Possibly, or could be he doesn't want to address it, like Lisa and some other's from the inner circle choose what to comment and what not to comment on. I hope that makes sense, what I'm trying to say?

I dont think he would associate with them at the very least.His actions towards them is very telling IMO.It could be that those guys arent such a bad bunch and have been basically truthfull over the years.Billy was to devoted to Elvis to just let it slide if it was otherwise.If he thoguth they had hurt Elvis I dont think he would have a thing to do with them.Im sure it's a lot different view from the inside looking out than the reverse.
Jak

[MissyM]

Jak, I can't speak for Billy but: don't you think he has lost enough? Don't you think he has been through enough? Do you really feel he should risk losing the relationships he has left? I have to ask for what? People are going to think what they want anyway. And all it would serve to do was open up a can of worms.

[jak]

Jak, I can't speak for Billy but: don't you think he has lost enough? Don't you think he has been through enough? Do you really feel he should risk losing the relationships he has left? I have to ask for what? People are going to think what they want anyway. And all it would serve to do was open up a can of worms.

I just dont feel he would maintain a relationship with anyone he felt truly hurt Elvis.He cared for him to much.
Jak

[Suzan]

Jak, I can't speak for Billy but: don't you think he has lost enough? Don't you think he has been through enough? Do you really feel he should risk losing the relationships he has left? I have to ask for what? People are going to think what they want anyway. And all it would serve to do was open up a can of worms.

Yes thank you...I didn't know how to phrase it.:):notworthy



I dont think he would associate with them at the very least.His actions towards them is very telling IMO.It could be that those guys arent such a bad bunch and have been basically truthfull over the years.Billy was to devoted to Elvis to just let it slide if it was otherwise.If he thoguth they had hurt Elvis I dont think he would have a thing to do with them.Im sure it's a lot different view from the inside looking out than the reverse.
Jak
What makes you think he's still associating w/them? I don't know if he is or isn't, but how do we know? And here's the thing that I see, they weren't hurtful to Elvis while he was alive, do you think Lamar would have dared to see those things about Elvis had he been alive????? And it was Lamar who was involved in Goldman's book. Again as I've said b4, could very well be true all of what he claims, but some things should be left unsaid, I doubt Lamar would want such personal things said about him for his family to read and hear about.
I've never actually heard Billy say one way or the other whether certain claims of Lamar's are true or not and that leads me back to agreeing w/MissyM..

[jak]

Yes thank you...I didn't know how to phrase it.:):notworthy



What makes you think he's still associating w/them? I don't know if he is or isn't, but how do we know? And here's the thing that I see, they weren't hurtful to Elvis while he was alive, do you think Lamar would have dared to see those things about Elvis had he been alive????? And it was Lamar who was involved in Goldman's book. Again as I've said b4, could very well be true all of what he claims, but some things should be left unsaid, I doubt Lamar would want such personal things said about him for his family to read and hear about.
I've never actually heard Billy say one way or the other whether certain claims of Lamar's are true or not and that leads me back to agreeing w/MissyM..

Billy has appeared with the other MM dressed in MM garb from head to toe.He has no ill will against them.
Jak

[jak]

"And here's the thing that I see, they weren't hurtful to Elvis while he was alive, do you think Lamar would have dared to see those things about Elvis had he been alive????"

Lamar needed his job and was completely under Elvis' thumb while he was alive.He was Elvis' punching bag.Dont forget that Red and Sonny published their book while Elvis was alive.Their book was sensation at the time and exposed Elvis' dark side which was a shocker at the time.They were not afraid of Elvis.Obviously that's because they could backup thier claims and Elvis knew it.Otherwise they would have faced litigation.
Jak

[cameron]

"And here's the thing that I see, they weren't hurtful to Elvis while he was alive, do you think Lamar would have dared to see those things about Elvis had he been alive????"

Lamar needed his job and was completely under Elvis' thumb while he was alive.He was Elvis' punching bag.Dont forget that Red and Sonny published their book while Elvis was alive.Their book was sensation at the time and exposed Elvis' dark side which was a shocker at the time.They were not afraid of Elvis.Obviously that's because they could backup thier claims and Elvis knew it.Otherwise they would have faced litigation.
Jak
I didn't think EWH was such a "shocker" as much as I thought it was a huge betrayal of a friend.
HAD Elvis lived; they just might have gotten their litigation you speak of.
Elvis was hurt and rightly so. Sometimes you have to grieve before setting about to "set the record straight."

[Getlo]

HAD Elvis lived; they just might have gotten their litigation you speak of.

He knew it was coming for months, and it was published six weeks before he died.

Elvis would never have sued them, for he knew it all to be true.

[jak]

I didn't think EWH was such a "shocker" as much as I thought it was a huge betrayal of a friend.
HAD Elvis lived; they just might have gotten their litigation you speak of.
Elvis was hurt and rightly so. Sometimes you have to grieve before setting about to "set the record straight."

You must have not been an Elvis fan in 1977.That book was incredibly shocking at the time.People were stunned.His image was still basically intact at the time.Youre wrong about the litigation.You dont try and bribe someone before you start the litigation.Just the fact that Elvis did try and bribe them shows you the book was factual.They had nothing to fear from him buacause they told the truth.Elvis knew that bribery was his only chance to keep up his veil of secrecy he cherished.
Jak

[cameron]

He knew it was coming for months, and it was published six weeks before he died.

Elvis would never have sued them, for he knew it all to be true.

It's your opinion. I have mine.

[jak]

He knew it was coming for months, and it was published six weeks before he died.

Elvis would never have sued them, for he knew it all to be true.

Exactly.Those guys never would have risked fabricating a bunch of lies while Elvis was around.They would have been sued for libel.They knew that.There wasnt a thing Elvis could do about the book.To think he would reward a bunch of liers with a bribe is a joke.
Jak

[Getlo]

It's your opinion. I have mine.

So why do you think Elvis didn't try to sue them? As I said, he knew the book was coming for weeks.

He would have been terrified of the results. And as jak said, people don't offer bribes if their innocent.

Having said that, though, as I recall, the reaction to the book - while certainly explosive - didn't seem to affect the fan base nor his popularity in the weeks leading up to Elvis' death.

It was only after August 16th, 1977 that the book became prophetic.

[cameron]

You must have not been an Elvis fan in 1977.That book was incredibly shocking at the time.People were stunned.His image was still basically intact at the time.Youre wrong about the litigation.You dont try and bribe someone before you start the litigation.Just the fact that Elvis did try and bribe them shows you the book was factual.They had nothing to fear from him buacause they told the truth.Elvis knew that bribery was his only chance to keep up his veil of secrecy he cherished.
Jak

I'm sorry. I just think that's laughable.:lmfao::lmfao:
IF it wasn't so sad . You might try reading something besides the MM.

[Getlo]

I'm sorry. I just think that's laughable.:lmfao::lmfao


Then jak is right, you weren't a fan in '77. Or you may have been living on Mars at the time.

[cameron]

So why do you think Elvis didn't try to sue them? As I said, he knew the book was coming for weeks.

He would have been terrified of the results. And as jak said, people don't offer bribes if their innocent.

Having said that, though, as I recall, the reaction to the book - while certainly explosive - didn't seem to affect the fan base nor his popularity in the weeks leading up to Elvis' death.

It was only after August 16th, 1977 that the book became prophetic.
People offer bribes all the time . Where have you been?
Elvis didn't see the transcript weeks/months before .Even the "other " MM say that.
No, it didn't seem to affect his popularity. It just hurt him badly, personally .
Elvis didn't have time to sue anyone. He died !

[cameron]

Then jak is right, you weren't a fan in '77. Or you may have been living on Mars at the time.
Think what you like. I have nothing I need to prove.

[jak]

People offer bribes all the time . Where have you been?
Elvis didn't see the transcript weeks/months before .Even the "other " MM say that.
No, it didn't seem to affect his popularity. It just hurt him badly, personally .
Elvis didn't have time to sue anyone. He died !

Elvis offered his bribe prior to publication.He knew the contents.Elvis could have instigated litigation prior to publication to stop it if he knew he had the legal ground to stand on.When he offered the bribe he basically validated the book' contents.
Jak

[Getlo]

Elvis didn't see the transcript weeks/months before .Even the "other " MM say that.

Honestly, cameron, you are so far off the mark sometimes ... it is a well-known fact that Elvis had many of the details of the book before it was published.

People do not offer bribes if what is about to be revealed about them is false.

From an interview with Sonny:

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview_sonny_west.shtml

SJ - You've talked extensively before about when you were fired, and how Elvis got his father to do the deed to you, Red and Dave (Hebler). Do you think that if Elvis had read the book (Elvis: What Happened?) in time that he'd…

SW - He did read it in time. He was getting the manuscripts sent to him by John O'Grady as they were being described and he knew what was going to be in the book…

Oh, and you may want to read O'Grady's account of this as well! ;)

[jak]

I'm sorry. I just think that's laughable.:lmfao::lmfao:
IF it wasn't so sad . You might try reading something besides the MM.

There is no need to be sorry.What is sad is that you cling to a fantasy image of a man you never knew even when the facts are right in front of your face.
Jak

[cameron]

I have nothing to add to jak and Getlo.
Think what you like.

I cannot measure hurt to show anyone.
You believe your way, I'll believe mine. This is supposed to be a discussion = opinions. NOT a debate = to change ones opinion.

[presley31]

Litte bit of information about the book here.

ELVIS: HOW YOU DOING MAN?

RED: I JUST WOKE UP.

ELVIS: I WAS JUST ON ONE OF THOSE SINGING BINGES. I GOT A COUPLE NEW GUITARS AND SINGING MY *** OFF. WATCHING LITTLE KIDS MARVEL. I’M BY MYSELF, LINDA IS IN L.A. SHE’S CHANGING APARTMENTS. WE HAD THAT APARTMENT, THE PEOPLE FOUND I WAS IN BACK OF IT AND RAISED THE RENT DOUBLE. SHE GOT ANOTHER ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. CHARLIE TOLD ME ABOUT THE TALK YOU ALL HAD, I GUESS I DO OWE AN EXPLANATION.

RED: I WISH YOU HAD COME TO ME AND TOLD ME.

ELVIS: YOU DON’T DO THINGS LIKE THAT CAUSE THAT’S MY DADDY’S BUSINESS.

RED: NO IT’S NOT.

ELVIS: I WAS GETTING A LOT OF EXCESS PRESSURE. YOU KNOW THAT RACQUET THING. TWO COURTS FOR A MILLION THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO JUST USE MY NAME. AND THAT’S ALL AND THAT WAS THE CONTRACT I SIGNED. I DID IT AS A FAVOR FOR DR. NICK AND JOE. I’M JUST TRYING TO TELL SOME OF THE THINGS THAT LED UP TO IT. I WAS WRONG ABOUT HEBLER. JUST A BAD THING ON MY PART. HE WAS VERY UNDERMINING AND SNEAKY.
HE HATED ALL YOU GUYS AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND I KEPT THIS ****. IT JUST BURNED INTO MY EAR. AND THOSE deleted - see guidelines #2 LAWSUITS IN TWO YEARS. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER YOU HEARD IT, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVE US INSANE. I’M TALKING ABOUT SOME INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE WHO WERE CHECKING PSYCHIATRIST REPORTS. THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVE US INSANE. THE WHOLE BUNCH.

RED: I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. YOU HAD LEFT TOWN. YOUR DADDY CALLED US AND TALKED ABOUT CUTTING DOWN EXPENSES AND GIVING US ONE WEEK’S NOTICE. THEY GIVE CHINESE COOLIES TWO WEEKS.

ELVIS: I DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THE ONE WEEK THING.

RED: THE BOTTOM FELL OUT. I GOT A LITTLE HURT AT FIRST.

Elvis: ****

Red: But anyway, where were we...

Elvis: You know my **************** voice is so low; I make J.D. Sumner sound like a tenor. We sang so long, I got a new Martin guitar, my **************** fingers are blistered, let me tell ya, ya know.

Red: Yeah, that’s the way mine used to get when I’d sit up and start writing songs, my three first fingers, just too big, I mean, just had big blisters on the end of them. But uh, oh, shit, I wish I could get my mind cleared, just waking up...ah, talk about...oh yeah, talking about...

Elvis: I’m, ah, ya know, I’m not working on but one cylinder.

Red: But like I said, ah, I’ve got a...that show is doing pretty good, I’ve got a regular running part in it, that starts in the next three or four weeks, I think, and I think I’m gonna hang with that.

Elvis: Well, you know, that thing that happened, ah, was a combination of a whole lotta things building up. It wasn’t necessarily, ah, personal, or even the deleted - see guidelines #2 lawsuits... You know, it was like a... a fuse blowing, you know, just because of a lot of things that piled up on me. (Red: Yeah, well...) And ah... maybe I did lose sight of a...a couple things. Especially you, your family and everything.

Red: Yeah, it was cold Elvis...

Elvis: Ah, I love Pat (Red’s wife). And ah...You got a good family and everything...

Red: Well, I had a lot of time to think about it. I mean I can sit here and people say ‘oh, the old days’, and all of that shit, but it did cross my mind. And all I ever done is trying to... maybe sometimes overprotect ya, and that’s the God’s honest truth.

Elvis: Yeah, I know that.

Red: Yeah, ah, here I was (laugh) here I was, and, but that, you know, Elvis, like you say, you had problems and.

Elvis: Well you know what it is about that right? It’s like that old guy said in “Cool Hand Luke”, a failure to communicate.

Red: Yeah, well that’s the God’s honest truth. We sure as hell didn’t communicate in the last year or so, ah...



Elvis: And that ah, it was just like ya said, it was just a series of things... If I could lay them out to you one by one, I could show you the reasons why the separatism’s... A lack of communication... My daddy was sick... Nearly dead. My family is strung all over the face of the United States. And ah... It’s just those deleted - see guidelines #2 lawyers and lawsuits ya know, making a mountain out of a molehill.

Red: Yeah, I know, there were some rough times, going through that, ya know, one lawsuit came along, and then everybody else saw the chance to jump on it, it mushroomed, and then boy, everybody and his cousin was after our ***, ya know.

Elvis: Yeah, that’s what I mean, ya know, one gets away with it, and thinks they do... What they try to do is to establish a pattern, you know, of insanity and violence. Like condemn me for shooting out that lamp up there in.

Red: What the hell is that?

Elvis: That Hilton Hotel there, with a .22 target pistol.

Red: Yeah... Oh, yeah, well, we’re known as the wild bunch.

Elvis: Yeah, that’s for sure... But the good old days, are, are still a fact.

Red: Yeah, there definitely a fact, and they always will be. But I mean, what’s done is done. We... We had a lot of good times man, there for a while. But like you said, things got real serious, a lot of problems came up... Ah, I don’t know, we just lost sight of a lot of things. Probably good things, and I don’t know, It’s just... The fun, the fun left.

Elvis: The fun ceased to exist. It, it... I couldn’t pinpoint it, just couldn’t quite figure it out, I couldn’t point it down... Shit... deleted - see guidelines #2 racquetball courts...

Red: Yeah, I passed by there the other day, well I passed by for a while, while you were all gone, and its still Presley Center Courts... And just before I came...

Elvis: Their gonna take that down...

Red: Huh?

Elvis: They ought to take that down.

Red: They already have, yeah, I was gonna say, just before I came out here, I was... I didn’t see that sign anymore...

Elvis: Okay... Oh, ah, well, ah, ya know... Last I heard it was still up ... But you know, a good conman, when it’s my name... They got these builders and they got themselves bound to a contract. Two courts, there up to a half a million dollars each.

Red: That’s too expensive...

Elvis: What the ****, man... Ah...Ah, poor Joe, ah, had his mother to hock her house, get a loan on her house, to get the money...

Red: Well, I can tell you about going into business with some sharp, sharpies, they don’t care if you hock your mothers ***, you know, they...


Elvis: But that’s what he had to do.

Red: Yeah... did Joe get out of it?

Elvis: Huh?

Red: Is Joe out of it? Or is he...

Elvis: Yeah, he’s in the process of trying to get out of it. Yeah but, the guy... The builders...They were contracted to build the **************** thing, are the ones holding up the ball game... Ah, well I pulled out of it ya know, just, I had to, cause the salary and stuff, a con job, a sneaky deal, ya know...

Red: Well, I didn’t know, ya know I, I didn’t know if it was or not, but, I just has a feeling it was.

Elvis: It started off kind of innocent, I was told one thing, like, ah, I wouldn’t have to put up a dime, ya know, There would be no money or nothing, well, that was the contract that I signed. I talked to daddy about it just after he came out of the hospital. We talked over a period of time about it... You know if it will help Joe and Nick...
They can use my name, because I couldn’t benefit nothing from it.

Red: Right, it was just something to help them out, Nick, you know, Nick didn’t, I don’t think Nick knew the guy that well.

Elvis: I don’t think he did either.

Red: No, he just got sucked in. He saw a chance to make some money, hoping, Joe did too, but this other guy, the one I was leery of.

Elvis: Oh, that sonofa********************, no he ah, I talked to my attorneys yesterday about the racquetball thing. You know Mr. Davis died.

Red: Yeah, I know, I saw it in the paper just before I left.

Elvis: Well the guy that’s taking his place, just ah, said that, he said that ah, he started telling me, to help, all this lawyer stuff, and then he said, he said “Elvis”, this sonofa******************** is a con artist, rigged up. Ya see, they came running in and said one thing... Well, ya see, what started happening would be ah, they started hitting me up for ten thousand, twenty thousand?

Red: They started hitting you up for it?

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: Oh yeah, there, well, there is a pattern.

Elvis: That’s what I thought, well, I said, you guys putting up, ah, that kind of money? Ya know, they said yeah, we’re in, so it’s all mine. Lawyers, they’ll **** you blind. (Laugh)

Red: Yeah, I remember he was on one of the tours with us.

Elvis: On the tour, pretending to be interested in numerology books and stuff. But it all falls in to place, but were smart enough to do that. All right, then ah, ah, it amounted to they needed eighty thousand dollars. I said ok, for what? For a secretary. (Laugh)

Red: deleted - see guidelines #2, boy I’ll tell ya, them secretaries; they got a union there or something.
Elvis: That’s exactly what I said. Said what the hell, I didn’t know how, but a secretary is gonna cost eighty thousand dollars.

Red: Shit... No, it was time you got the hell out of that shit.

Elvis: Yeah... I mean I tried to hang in there with them, you know. Cause... I didn’t want to crush their enthusiasm, their dreams, or whatever, you know...

Red: Just crush their secretary... (Laugh)

Elvis: You need a $ 80,000 secretary.

Red: God almighty, that’s more than the president of the board makes.

Elvis: Well, ah, you know, they had all these cards and shit, man... About Chairman of the board... It started out as Presley Center Courts. And they changed that to Elvis Presley Center Courts without ever even asking me one thing about it... They had all these cards and shit made up... President... Vice-president... Still, didn’t even come to me and ask me...

Red: Oh Hell, once they got your name on it... Once, this Mike, got your name on it... I mean, I heard him; he went to Nashville, and everywhere, saying I represent Mr. Elvis Presley in this racquetball venture... Just on your name alone, you know, he just ah, got what the hell he wanted, but ah... I don’t know what I’m trying to say. We gotta get back to my problem... Man, I’ve never done any of that. It’s just... Old Red, he was trying to do a job, man, and.

Elvis: Ah, ah... I wasn’t using it as an example. I was just telling you.

Red: Yeah, oh, no, I know that, we’re talking about something I don’t know about, that racquetball court, man... I just know about my problems.

Elvis: What started out as a friendship and a favor, and everything, has turned into a million, three hundred thousand dollar project. If... If you realize how long it would take to realize a profit... And to put that money in to it...

Red: Yeah, I’m afraid so, it would take...

Elvis: They’d be so old, until they think the racquet resembles a friendly banjo. (Laughing) Hey, what is this? Trying to play it. (laugh)

Red: Plaster falling off the walls, oh shit, well, like, Nick, poor old Nick... Everybody’s trying to make a buck... Like Nick’s Chips, he went in to man, hell, that was a flop, they had everything figured but the **************** truck that hauled them over from Arkansas...

Elvis: Nick’s Chips, shit (laugh)

Red: well that fell through, like...

Elvis: I never seen anybody drive to a hospital in something... deleted - see guidelines #2 I mean, I had mixed emotions, I hit the floor, the first night, just rolled there. Nick’s Chips ****************, ah, the first thing I conjured up in my mind was, ah, a gambler, saying he’s in Vegas And Nick the Greek, ya know, he’s the gambler. That’s what I created in my mind. Nick’s Chips... Shit... He just don’t ... He obviously just don’t know, you know, and these friendly contractors are just cold hearted business men, I mean...

Red: Oh, sure, look... Don’t mess with a guy like that, I mean their dollars talk, and that’s it. But ah...

Elvis: Yeah, but the way it was done, they lead, they lead their calf to slaughter.

Red: Yeah, well, you got out of it; you’re out of it then, right?

Elvis: Ah, yeah, I’m in the process of getting out of it.

Red: Okay... I don’t blame you, because when you start going in to business with a bunch of people, if you do it yourself, then you know what’s happening, but when you get two or three other guys...

Elvis: With My signature, hell, they must have all went stark raving mad.

Red: Sure it did, I know that Mike did...

Elvis: The lawyers read to me the contract yesterday, where it said that if anything happened, I would stand good for the whole thing.

Red: Uh Oh, yea well, see then, they didn’t tell you...

Elvis: You know, I don’t even care that much about racquetball. Yeah, I would stand good for the whole thing. So that was news to me. Also, I just found out yesterday, that this guy Mike had set him up. Ah, management fee was $ 50,000 dollars a year... Extra...

Red: Sure!

Elvis: Joe didn’t know anything about it; Nick didn’t know a **************** thing about it. But yet, the lawyers had it, right there.

Red: Yeah, well, that’s what I figured. This Mike Conned Nick and everybody else in to it. And he did well on it. That’s a shame, man, Nick is always... I thought he was smart... I thought Joe was smart...

Elvis: Not when it comes to business, he’s not.

Red: No. I think we’re on a party line or something.

Elvis: And my whole thing ya see, I can never possibly realize any kind of a profit out of it. I did it just as a friendship thing, ya know, I didn’t think it was... There was no harm, ya know, in helping these guys get a couple racquetball courts, one here, one in Nashville, however, it was fine with me. I didn’t see no harm...

Red: No, not

Elvis: But you see, the paper that I signed had nothing of that mentioned, so my lawyer figures that this shit was put in there after I signed it. Ya know what I mean?

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Because you know **************** near well, I wouldn’t have signed it. After a while, stand good for a couple of, friendly racquet, half a million dollar racquetball courts.

Red: Yeah.


Elvis: That just totally surprised me too. A half a million dollars, for a racquetball court? Why hell, I can get Earl in with a hammer... (Laugh) And Albert, let him construct one. Don’t give the woodpeckers long enough.

Red: He’ll build it for $ 39.38, oh well they must have gone for the sauna, the whole health club bit, or something. They had to, it don’t cost that much to build no **************** two racquetball courts.

Elvis: Huh.

Red: I don’t know, well...

Elvis: Well, ah, I think it’s gonna be ten courts at each place.

Red: Oh, huh, oh...

Elvis: I mean, ten places to play like out at Memphis State.

Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: But still...

Red: That’s...

Elvis: You take that, you take a man and a woman’s showers, It can’t add up to no half a million dollars.

Red: That’s a lot of money.

Elvis: Well shit, ah, you know, I got one built here in the back, ya know, the one I got, that sonofa******************** was only eighty thousand. You know how plush it is...

Red: Yeah, ya **************** right, Yeah, it’s ah...

Elvis: These people just, it’s like you said, they saw my signature and went stark raving mad.

Red: Yeah, yes sir. Everybody was taken in after they got your signature, plus when was this **************** guys salary supposed to start, already? Mike and the secretary and all that shit.

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: And are you supposed to pay for that huh? yeah, bullshit, bullshit. Just get the hell out.

Elvis: Merchandise and things, little cards, little pamphlets, little advertisements, and this and that... And all of that, without my knowledge, without consulting me, without asking me about it, ya know... So it just built up into a friendly monster!

Red: Yeah, your **************** right it did, They... They’re trying to take advantage of you. I don’t blame you for getting the hell out of it... But ah, then I guess, ya know, all that pressure and everything, lawsuits and everything led up to our demise, you know, whatever, but ah, it was a shock, to all of us... Old Dave, he was out here, you know, he was flat *** broke... Well, we’re all broke. Of course I had some property and stuff. I sold ah, I sold my house. I hated to do that, you know, but when you got to do something, you gotta do it.

Elvis: You sold your house?

Red: Oh yeah, sold my house, both cars and everything, and ah, Hebler... He was just flat *** broke, and Sonny was just down to the... Oh well, you know, it was just, it was a bad time by all, I’ll tell you.

Elvis: Well, I guess there’s never any real good times. It was a bad time for me too. I hadn’t been out of the hospital long enough to start rolling...

Red: But, ah...

Elvis: My daddy... I almost lost him. He’s my daddy, regardless of anything.

Red: Oh, yeah, listen, I can understand. But, ah, yeah, we were just, we were in shock for a while, but what do we do, you know. But then we thought about it, and all the pressure and everything, and said, well, I guess, ah, he’s got his point too, it’s just, I wish, we were always able to talk... A lot, most of the times, sometimes we couldn’t, but ah, if I had just heard it from you, it would have been easier to take.

Elvis: Well, ah, in doing business and things of that nature, I don’t,I don’t do that.

Red: Oh, you mean about firing us and everything? Well...

Elvis: Yeah... I had to go to Palm Springs, analyze and weigh... deleted - see guidelines #2 racquetball courts. I’m still seeing little fuzzy balls...(laugh) But, ah, Charlie was telling me, well Charlie talked to you, and you thought I was on the other line...

Red: Ah huh, well, I thought... Ya know, I heard you know, that ah...

Elvis: I was over at my daddy’s house going through these figures. If I wanted to hear something, I wouldn’t do that... I would go another way. Ah...

Red: Well, you know how paranoid everybody gets about something like that. I just, I don’t know why, I just thought...

Elvis: Oh sure, like looking over your shoulder and not knowing who the hell it is, Regardless of what.

Red: But, ah, anyway, it’s all done and that’s it I guess now, cause ah...

Elvis: How’s Pat and the kids and stuff?

Red: They’re all fine, they’re ah, just hanging on until I get something going.

Elvis: Well...

Red: But ah, it’s just been kind of rough...

Elvis: Yeah, I was ah, I was very disillusioned by Hebler. He faked me off something terrible. I thought he was the way the both of us understood.

Red: What did he do?

Elvis: Huh?

Red: Well, what did he do, I mean...

Elvis: Well, you know, he just, he would say little things to me. Who he hated...
Red: (Laugh) Who he hated?

Elvis: Yeah...

Red: ****************.

Elvis: And... you know, this went on for a period of two years. Just... Ed Parker told me when I hired the sonofa********************, he said, keep him at arm’s length, but I still didn’t catch on. Dumb *** me, man.

Red: Well, I really don’t know what your talking about... Ah.

Elvis: Well, ah, it’s hard to explain. I don’t think he liked anybody in this group, except maybe Dean.

Red: Well, I,ah...

Elvis: I think that I’d become a dollar sign to him, Red, I think in the process he lost sight of Elvis, first, you know, that can easily happen.

Red: Well, I guess, yeah, I guess so, ah...

Elvis: And... you know, when that happened, Red, I’d become an object, not a person, but, ah, you know, I’m not that sign, I mean, that rouge, touring down there. I’m not that image, to build up. I’m myself.

Red: Yeah... Well, that’s the way I always like, ya know, try to think of it.

Elvis: And ah, ah, your so wrong on one thing, ah, and listen, don’t get paranoid. Because I’m just talking to you as a friend. Now we’re on a private line and there is not a friendly soul, but us...

Red: Right.

Elvis: Ah... I am not ****** up by no means. On the contrary, I’ve never been in any, ah, better condition in my life.

Red: Well, what I was talking about... then, you had been pretty ****** up, so, that’s what I was talking about.

Elvis: Well, I went through a divorce, you know, you were there...

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: That wedding thing, ya know, that wedding thing. I had nothing to do with that. That was railroaded through, ah, I didn’t even know who was there. It was all in a little room bout the size of a bathroom with a Supreme Court Justice. It was in there, over and done so quick, I didn’t even realize I was married.

Red: Oh, yeah, your talking about your wedding...

Elvis: Yeah.

Red: Right, well, ya know, you don’t think about these things, but at the time, it, it, ah, once again, it’s that old, I’ve been with you, and all the sudden I was held back, and told one, That I wasn’t supposed to come in.

Elvis: I ****** that up. I could see it, I could see it back then, but, see it wasn’t my doing.

Red: Right
Elvis: Wasn’t my doing.

Red: You know, I figured that was the Colonel and...

Elvis: It was a ramrod type thing. I had nothing to do with it... You know, All the sudden I was married.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And, ya know, ah, when you go through that, you keep your mind on one thing (laugh)

Red: Yeah, yeah right...

Elvis: It was pretty tough.

Red: Well I can understand that. That was a long time ago, but that was just a point I was bringing up to Charlie, and, ah, but let’s get back to, to the last couple three years. Let’s face it man, you haven’t enjoyed yourself. You just been... You do your work, you go work and then ah...

Elvis: I enjoy my work.

Red: Yeah, I know that, that’s the only time we really see you, I really don’t see you anymore. The rest of the time, It’s just, ah, I don’t know. It’s just ah...

Elvis: We had a pretty good time up in Vail.( Colorado)

Red: Oh yeah, we had a ball in Vail. That was the, man, that was ah, the one time out of the last few years that we really got back to the, back to the, well, whatever, back to knowing how to enjoy ourselves. And I mean everybody just had a ball.

Elvis: Yeah, I know I did.

Red: Yeah, I know I did too. That was something we’d all been wanting to do, just to get out, away from it all, man and...

Elvis: Yeah, you know, that’s ok, because ah, ya know, they just want me to have a house up there.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And they want to buy food and everything. So, these real estate guys get a hold of that. I meet at beautiful places, but my thinking is not along those lines right now.

Red: Right, I don’t blame you, you can always go up there and rent something.

Elvis: Yeah, Exactly.

Red: But ah, I don’t know what, ya know, I don’t want to get real upset, ya know, It’s been along time since I’ve talked to you. I don’t want to get real serious on the conversation. But, we were all worried about you, ya know, I’ve always been worried about you. Ya know, about taking quite a few things, I thought.

Elvis: You worried about me so much, until you turned around and tried to hurt me. But see, I know what that is.

Red: Well, that’s after you hurt me. You already hurt me and my family very bad. You know, you left us out in the cold. So let’s don’t talk about me trying to hurt you.
Elvis: Things went on that you didn’t even know about.

Red: Yeah, well all I know is I was out in the cold, and couldn’t understand...

Elvis: All I know is there was friction created in this group. The vibes were so bad, people were scared to move and everything.

Red: Yeah, that’s true too.

Elvis: So who knows, ah, what the hell they were hearing and being told. I just know it got to be very, very tense. A situation where it could have been fun and a relaxed kinda thing.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Something went wrong.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: And, ah, then on top of the racquetball thing and everything else, all the personal things. I was upset too. It was a fact, ya know, but, ah, we did have to cut down on expenses.

Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: I had the feeling...

Red: Whatever you had to do, I told your daddy, you know, ah, you gotta do what you gotta do. If you need to cut down on expenses by firing me, ah, you know, that’s a little weird to me. Seems like you could have cut somewhere else. I thought I was important to the organization. But I’m glad I finally found out I wasn’t. Cause then, I still got a little life left. I’m gonna, I’m gonna enjoy that. And ah, I’m still young enough I can find something else, you know...

Elvis: Oh, yeah.

Red: But ah, it was just, cutting down on expenses. I just couldn’t understand that. All the other, a lot of guys around I thought I was more important to the organization then they were, but I guess I wasn’t. But I’m glad I found that out. So...

Elvis: Well, It’s just an unfortunate situation. He’s just now, he’s starting to get back on his feet. My daddy has lost down to one hundred and sixty five pounds.

Red: Yeah, you mean now?

Elvis: I think he’s up to one hundred and seventy... Eighty, something like that. That just shocked and scared me to death. Because you know how I feel, you know how you felt about your daddy.

Red: Yeah, that’s right. Well...

Elvis: Well, suspicion, Red, was cast on this group. I couldn’t figure out the source of it. Suspicion, just like that song we did, “We can’t go on together with suspicious minds”.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: So ah, maybe I did act abruptly. First one to admit it. Without thinking.
Red: Yeah, well.

Elvis: You know Sonny was never around, Red..

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: You know, we’ve talked about that.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Ah, he’s a great guy, but he never shared anything with us... I ain’t, I ain’t got nothing against Sonny. Just ah, Hebler, tried to bully his way through everything, with scare, scare tactics...

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: With some of these young guys.

Red: Well.

Elvis: They would ask questions like... Dean, ya know, and they never could get a straight answer... They were just turned down at every corner.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: That’s the only way they could find out. I know, ya know, what it was like, ya know, when I was twenty four years old, shit, I mean, my mind was just scattered to the four winds.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: They need some kind of guidance. Some things just weren’t being done, ya know, just little things just weren’t being done Red, you know how they train for the service. Regimentation. Doing the same thing every day and night. I mean, we knew by God, you know, you did in the service what everybody else had served legitimately. But by God at seven o’clock we had to do this, and at three we had to do that. And they do that by repetition.

Red: Sure.

Elvis: That’s how they train. And all their energy and youth and everything without proper guidance is wasted.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: I just felt I should ah, talk to you and let you see my side of it.

Red: Yeah, I appreciate that. Ya know, that’s what I wish we had done at the very first. You know, maybe I could have understood it a little bit better. But ah, what’s done is done. You go on from there. I mean, I just, believe me when I tell you I wish you all the luck. I hope you go, right, stay right where you are, right on top for ah, forty more years man. I really do, I mean it with all my heart.

Elvis: I’m working on it.

Red: But I would like to see you get healthy, E. You hadn’t been healthy in a while.

Elvis: Oh yes I am.

Red: No you’re not.

Elvis: Yes I am.

Red: Well, ok, you say that.

Elvis: I just had an absolute complete physical head to toe, in the last, ah, two weeks.

Red: Ok, well then I’m glad to hear you’re healthy.

Elvis: One of those things that is required by Lloyds of London, the insurance office.

Red: Well, then this, I don’t have to worry about it then.

Elvis: That ah, that thing that I had, that lower intestinal blockage corrected itself, thank God.

Red: Good.

Elvis: I just, I went on a weird liquid diet. That big intestine down there has to have bulk.

Red: Yeah, that’s been discussed.

Elvis: Went on that diet. Twenty days, was ridiculous. Then I heard that was another mistake. (laugh)

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Turns out that large intestine had nothing to work with, so as a result it stopped working. I keep hearing that shit about being fat and middle aged, ya know...

Red: No, no, I knew that wasn’t it. I knew you weren’t (Laugh) you ate a lot but you weren’t fat, like people are fat. You could tell there was something else wrong. And that’s what I mean, you hadn’t, you wasn’t healthy. Inside, you, something was wrong inside. That’s what I’ve been trying... When I try and talk to you about it you get mad, just as you done a while ago. You wouldn’t listen to it. That’s what I’m talking about man. You were, something was wrong inside of you. We didn’t know what, we were worried about, we didn’t know what it was. We knew it wasn’t fat though, it was something else. And you just...

Elvis: You know, I thought I told y’all it was the lower intestine. I supposed to undergo surgery and take part of it out.

Red: Yeah, right, I was there, I remember when we were going to do that. I’m just saying...

Elvis: That was psyching me out, because I didn’t know what it was.

Red: Yeah, well, I’m glad to hear it’s all straightened out. I really am.

Elvis: It’s been straightened out for a long time. It’s just a failure to communicate. What we had, Red, was crazy. Like that song Roy Hamilton did “Understanding Solves All Problems”.

Red: Yeah, we didn’t...

Elvis: It’s a good folk song.

Red: Yeah, that’s right, we didn’t have much understanding there for a long time.
Elvis: Well, I don’t know if it was you and I as much as it could have been coming from somebody else. You know, negative vibes.

Red: Right, well, that could very well be too. I’m, I’m not really in to the psychic thing.

Elvis: Well, I’m not either, but I do know, ah, that ah, we are constantly ah, sending and receiving. All the time.

Red: Right, yeah, we’ve discussed this. Minds, if they can put a picture through the air, I guess they can put a thought wave through the air too.

Elvis: So that’s why I was feeling, I was feeling the negative things but, and couldn’t exactly pinpoint what it was. So I just reached a boiling point, hoped that, ah, you’d understand. It was a temporary thing.

Red: Well.

Elvis: And ah, that was what it was Red, see, I didn’t try to get, communicate with anybody. I felt terribly lonely. You know like that number eight. (Red: yeah.) The thing that says they’re intensely lonely at heart. For this reason, ya know, they feel very lonely,but when in reality they have warm hearts towards the oppressed. But hide their feelings in life but do what they please. Well, I’m a number eight person and so are you.

Red: Yeah, that’s true. And it’s been lonely. (Laugh) It’s been lonely man, I’ll tell ya. It’s been... Down right scary.

Elvis: Well, I can see it.

Red: But listen, ah, I just, I’m old enough, I just chalk it up to life man, It’s another step down that railroad, ya know, and ah, I have to learn to cope with it, and go on and try and do something. But ah, what can I say. I don’t ah, you know, feel sorry for myself. I’m a grown man. I can do something else, do other things. But ah, like you said there was a failure to communicate there at the last. Maybe I didn’t, I wasn’t around, and around enough when you wanted to talk to somebody or whatever.

Elvis: Well yeah, maybe all that, Like maybe according to that song Aubrey, “Maybe I Was Absent And Listening Too Fast”. But ah, but ah, it just kinda, it bugged me when you said, that was a cruel thing or whatever to Charlie.

Red: I can’t hear you, E. I’m sorry.

Elvis: About being ****** up.

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: Cause I’m not. I got a daughter and a life. You know, what profiteth a man if he gains the world and loses his soul?

Red: Yeah.

Elvis: I love to sing, that’s been my thing, since I’v been two years old.

Red: Yeah, I know.

Elvis: You know, we were sitting here playing the guitar and everything, singing old songs, “Love Is A Many Splendored Thing”, and ya know, me and Charlie talked about that harmony part, missing that harmony part. (laugh)

Red: Yeah, well, what can I say, I miss singing it. (Laugh) You know, but that’s the way the ball bounces.

Elvis: Well, you take care of yourself and your family. And if you need me for anything I, ya know, would be more than happy to, to help out.

Red: I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Elvis: I mean it. I don’t give a deleted - see guidelines #2, the articles or publications or none of that shit, That I’ve heard. I just heard rumors, bits and pieces. I don’t know nothing, ya know, I was on tour and ah, just heard bits and pieces. I have never really sat down with anybody and had it laid out to me. I don’t ah, nothing, I just know that you as a person, and Pat, and ah, if there is anything I can do, anyway of getting a job, anything else. You know, know, I’m still here son.

Red: Well, I appreciate that. I really do. And ah, I’ll tell Pat what you said, that will make her feel better, she was hurt. You know, she couldn’t understand it. My kids, my kids really, especially...

Elvis: All of us...

Red: Huh.

Elvis: All of us were hurt in different ways. It’s like that song Desada Deraida, “ Listen To The Dull And The Ignorant, For They Too Have Their Story”. And then Hank Williams wrote “You Never Walked In That Mans Shoes Or Saw Things Through His Eyes”.

Red: Right, that’s true.

Elvis: So you know, after analyzing the **************** thing, ah, I can see it, I can see it clearly. That’s why I’m saying, anything I can do at all, I’ll be more than happy.

Red: Ok, I appreciate it, and ah...

Elvis: You take care of yourself son.

Red: OK, and if, let me say one more thing before you hang up. If everybody is worried about the book, tell them not to. Man, I mean including yourself. Ah, we’re writing the good stuff Elvis, people, the things...

Elvis: Worried about, worried about the book? Well ah, I don’t think so.

Red: OK.

Elvis: Not on, not on my part.

Red: OK. Good. Because I was ah, out, I was broke. I was made an offer to write the book. I said I’ll write the book if I can tell all from day one the good, good days. He said all right, whatever.

Elvis: Well, you do whatever you have to do.

Red: Okey doke.

Elvis: I just want you and Pat to know... I’m still here.

Red: Ok, I appreciate that. And you take care of yourself.

Elvis: OK.

Red: OK.

Elvis: Take it easy.

Red: Bye-bye.

[ksimms2]

I'm sorry. I just think that's laughable.:lmfao::lmfao:
IF it wasn't so sad . You might try reading something besides the MM.

Cameron, are you saying we are laughable because we are reading books about Elvis? I'm sure they've read more than just the MM books - there are others out there. "Good" books and "bad" books....I'm reading them all. Does that make us bad? I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your statement. If you refuse to read the stuff written, well then how can you say you know more about anything than the rest of us? That makes no sense.

(if I took your statement out of context, then I apologize)

[cameron]

Elvis: Well, you take care of yourself and your family. And if you need me for anything I, ya know, would be more than happy to, to help out. Red: I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Elvis: I mean it. I don’t give a deleted - see guidelines #2, the articles or publications or none of that shit, That I’ve heard. I just heard rumors, bits and pieces. I don’t know nothing, ya know, I was on tour and ah, just heard bits and pieces. I have never really sat down with anybody and had it laid out to me. I don’t ah, nothing, I just know that you as a person, and Pat, and ah, if there is anything I can do, anyway of getting a job, anything else. You know, know, I’m still here son.
Red: Well, I appreciate that. I really do. And ah, I’ll tell Pat what you said, that will make her feel better, she was hurt. You know, she couldn’t understand it. My kids, my kids really, especially...

Elvis: All of us...

Red: Huh.

Elvis: All of us were hurt in different ways. It’s like that song Desada Deraida, “ Listen To The Dull And The Ignorant, For They Too Have Their Story”. And then Hank Williams wrote “You Never Walked In That Mans Shoes Or Saw Things Through His Eyes”.

Red: Right, that’s true.

Elvis: So you know, after analyzing the **************** thing, ah, I can see it, I can see it clearly. That’s why I’m saying, anything I can do at all, I’ll be more than happy.

Red: Ok, I appreciate it, and ah...

Elvis: You take care of yourself son.

Red: OK, and if, let me say one more thing before you hang up. If everybody is worried about the book, tell them not to. Man, I mean including yourself. Ah, we’re writing the good stuff Elvis, people, the things...
Elvis: Worried about, worried about the book? Well ah, I don’t think so.

Red: OK.

Elvis: Not on, not on my part.

Red: OK. Good. Because I was ah, out, I was broke. I was made an offer to write the book. I said I’ll write the book if I can tell all from day one the good, good days. He said all right, whatever.
Elvis: Well, you do whatever you have to do.

Red: Okey doke.

Elvis: I just want you and Pat to know... I’m still here.
Red: Ok, I appreciate that. And you take care of yourself.

[cameron]

Cameron, are you saying we are laughable because we are reading books about Elvis? I'm sure they've read more than just the MM books - there are others out there. "Good" books and "bad" books....I'm reading them all. Does that make us bad? I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with your statement. If you refuse to read the stuff written, well then how can you say you know more about anything than the rest of us? That makes no sense.

(if I took your statement out of context, then I apologize)

Not saying that. I read them all. I just don't quote almost verbatim from the MM books. The MM are not my Bible nor the keeper of all truths. IMO

One cannot hope to "know anything" IF you don't get others opinions and read other books.I laughed at no one. Only a statement that was made.

[Getlo]

I'm sorry. I just think that's laughable.:lmfao::lmfao:


I laughed at no one.

;) ;) ;) ...

[Sonny]

Stick to the topic. Everybody is entitled to their opinions.

Discuss those opinions, and respect those opinions, without getting personal to anyone.

[Merry]

IThe MM are not my Bible nor the keeper of all truths. IMO





Well said, Cam.

Kim

[KPM]

I have never thought of any of them as the good ones and the bad ones.
But some seem to stress the negatives and others the positive.

[Suzan]

"And here's the thing that I see, they weren't hurtful to Elvis while he was alive, do you think Lamar would have dared to see those things about Elvis had he been alive????"

Lamar needed his job and was completely under Elvis' thumb while he was alive.He was Elvis' punching bag.Dont forget that Red and Sonny published their book while Elvis was alive.Their book was sensation at the time and exposed Elvis' dark side which was a shocker at the time.They were not afraid of Elvis.Obviously that's because they could backup thier claims and Elvis knew it.Otherwise they would have faced litigation.
Jak

I'm not saying anything about Sonny & Red....I was saying about Lamar. You sort of proved my point by your last sentence, in regards to Lamar. He was under Elvis thumb? I don't think so, he was a grown man, able to make his own decisions, the same arguments people use to bring Elvis and his character down can also be applied to those men around him, if hairs are going to be split. Lamar, if things were sooo horrid could have left at any time, and had he, he prob. would not be alive today, Elvis paid for a surgery that saved his life, boy talk about abusive.:doh:
Lamar waited until after Elvis death because he could have been sued for the exact reason you stated in your very last sentence, nobody else has made the claims he has, not Sonny, not Red, nobody but Lamar.

[jak]

I'm not saying anything about Sonny & Red....I was saying about Lamar. You sort of proved my point by your last sentence, in regards to Lamar. He was under Elvis thumb? I don't think so, he was a grown man, able to make his own decisions, the same arguments people use to bring Elvis and his character down can also be applied to those men around him, if hairs are going to be split. Lamar, if things were sooo horrid could have left at any time, and had he, he prob. would not be alive today, Elvis paid for a surgery that saved his life, boy talk about abusive.:doh:
Lamar waited until after Elvis death because he could have been sued for the exact reason you stated in your very last sentence, nobody else has made the claims he has, not Sonny, not Red, nobody but Lamar.

Nobody had disputed Lamar.That includes Billy also.They all were under Elvis thumb to some degree.Elvis was like a puppetmaster with those guys dancing on strings.As Billy Smith has stated"You didnt tell Elvis anything,he told you and if you didnt like it he said find the door".To think those guys were not controlled by Elvis is somewhat foolish.Red and Sonny were dumped when they didnt stay out of Elvis' business and didnt follow the rules.
Jak

[Getlo]

, in regards to Lamar. He was under Elvis thumb? I don't think so, he was a grown man, able to make his own decisions.

Of course Lamar was under Elvis' thumb.

He was a weak man, bullied all his life for his size, and found security with Elvis and the MM.

Lamar was Elvis' punching bag: Elvis treated him like crap a lot of the time, but he came back for more. Elvis even had to pay to get him laid, in Germany.

If you watch the TTWII and On Tour outtakes, you can see Lamar's crest fall every time Elvis big noted himself by publicly making fun of Lamar. There's a point in every relationship where that sort of behaviour needs to stop, and Elvis often took it too far.

The On Tour outtake where Elvis pours a glass of water over Lamar despite Lamar seriously and honestly asking Elvis not to embarrass him is particulary sad. I don't like Elvis Presley at that moment.

Lamar probably should have said something, but maybe he was scared of being perceived as a wuss for saying his feelings were hurt? Besides, where else was he going to go?

[Suzan]

Of course Lamar was under Elvis' thumb.

He was a weak man, bullied all his life for his size, and found security with Elvis and the MM.

Lamar was Elvis' punching bag: Elvis treated him like crap a lot of the time, but he came back for more. Elvis even had to pay to get him laid, in Germany.

If you watch the TTWII and On Tour outtakes, you can see Lamar's crest fall every time Elvis big noted himself by publicly making fun of Lamar. There's a point in every relationship where that sort of behaviour needs to stop, and Elvis often took it too far.

The On Tour outtake where Elvis pours a glass of water over Lamar despite Lamar seriously and honestly asking Elvis not to embarrass him is particulary sad. I don't like Elvis Presley at that moment.

Lamar probably should have said something, but maybe he was scared of being perceived as a wuss for saying his feelings were hurt? Besides, where else was he going to go?

That's one of my previous points, they stayed because they liked the lifestyle, what Elvis could get for them or give them, the prestige.
He CHOSE to stay, and snippets of film do not make the whole picture, I still say Elvis did more good for Lamar then bad, if Elvis didn't care, then he would not have paid for Lamar's surgery and stayed on the phone w/the operating staff until the surgery was over to make sure that Lamar pulled through and everything was fine. And that glass of water, the scene I remember is Joe and Sonny sitting at the table w/Lamar and joking w/Elvis onstage and Elvis thru the glass of water at all of them, I don't recall Lamar asking him to not embarass him?????

I have nothing against the MM, I don't...I just don't happen to like one of them, I've stated my opinion as to why...other's like him, that's fine.

[jak]

Of course Lamar was under Elvis' thumb.

He was a weak man, bullied all his life for his size, and found security with Elvis and the MM.

Lamar was Elvis' punching bag: Elvis treated him like crap a lot of the time, but he came back for more. Elvis even had to pay to get him laid, in Germany.

If you watch the TTWII and On Tour outtakes, you can see Lamar's crest fall every time Elvis big noted himself by publicly making fun of Lamar. There's a point in every relationship where that sort of behaviour needs to stop, and Elvis often took it too far.

The On Tour outtake where Elvis pours a glass of water over Lamar despite Lamar seriously and honestly asking Elvis not to embarrass him is particulary sad. I don't like Elvis Presley at that moment.

Lamar probably should have said something, but maybe he was scared of being perceived as a wuss for saying his feelings were hurt? Besides, where else was he going to go?

Lamar was probably under the thumb more than anyone.Youre right about those outtakes.I felt bad for Lamar when Elvis soaked him.I guess the drying off with the towel was a little apology.Not a nice moment.I believe Jerry calls him fatty when they walk away.Elvis was a good guy but he treated all of them like crap at times.He called all the shots.Anybody that thinks he wasnt the supreme ruler of that entourage is kidding themselves.
Jak

[jak]

That's one of my previous points, they stayed because they liked the lifestyle, what Elvis could get for them or give them, the prestige.
He CHOSE to stay, and snippets of film do not make the whole picture, I still say Elvis did more good for Lamar then bad, if Elvis didn't care, then he would not have paid for Lamar's surgery and stayed on the phone w/the operating staff until the surgery was over to make sure that Lamar pulled through and everything was fine. And that glass of water, the scene I remember is Joe and Sonny sitting at the table w/Lamar and joking w/Elvis onstage and Elvis thru the glass of water at all of them, I don't recall Lamar asking him to not embarass him?????

I have nothing against the MM, I don't...I just don't happen to like one of them, I've stated my opinion as to why...other's like him, that's fine.

Nobody is saying Elvis didnt care for Lamar or the others.In spite of that they all had to kiss Elvis' rear end.That's the way it was.
You obviously have not seen the outtakes from On Tour Getlo mentioned.I have them.Lamar pleads with Elvis not to dump a glass of water on him.Elvis acts like he isnt but of course he does it anyways in front of the group.Elvis being a total jerk caught on film.Elvis does take a towel however and drys his face off.Jerry calls him fatty right after that.Uncomfortable to watch.
Jak

[Getlo]

if Elvis didn't care, then he would not have paid for Lamar's surgery.

I'm not saying Elvis didn't care for Lamar. He loved him, obviously.

But there were times when, like the classic alpha male of any group, that Elvis used Lamar as a metaphorical punching bag. Not pleasant.

[Getlo]

.Elvis does take a towel however and drys his face off.Jerry calls him fatty right after that.Uncomfortable to watch.

Yeah, and when Lamar gets upset, everyone yells "Awwwwwwwww" like they're making fun of a six-year-old kid.

As I said, not one of my favourite Elvis Presley moments ... although he looks so cool in that footage!

[jak]

Yeah, and when lamar gets upset, everyone yells "Awwwwwwwww" like they're making fun of a six-year-old kid.

As I said, not one of my favourite Elvis Presley moments ... although he looks so cool in that footage!

That footage offers an incredible look into Elvis' private world.If Lamar had done the same thing to Elvis he probably would have gotten stomped.You hit the nail on the head by calling Elvis the alpha male of that bunch.I bet some of the people here wouldnt believe how Elvis behaved behind closed doors.Those guys were all a bunch of arrogant,cocky,macho women chasers.As much as I love Elvis I bet the real guy wasnt as likable as most think.I'd bet the farm the real Elvis would surprise some people.Im sure he had his moments.
Jak

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

"The Image is one thing, the human being is another" hits the nail on the head too, I don't think Elvis was inherently a bad person, I suppose he pulled all kind of stunts to test how far he could go. the fact that he could get away with it proves how weak some of these people could be. I bet Elvis would never try a stunt like that with Red or Sonny or some of the other guys?

As with most top celebrities, the fact no-one tells them 'NO' changes these people and when they haven't heard anyone say no for 20 odd years that person will think they can do almost anything!

and to keep this thread a little on topic :blush:

The guys were probably happy when Elvis' mischievous behaviour wasn't focused on them!

[jak]

"The Image is one thing, the human being is another" hits the nail on the head too, I don't think Elvis was inherently a bad person, I suppose he pulled all kind of stunts to test how far he could go. the fact that he could get away with it proves how weak some of these people could be. I bet Elvis would never try a stunt like that with Red or Sonny or some of the other guys"

Good point.I just wonder if he ever tested the others like that.I have my doubts.Im sure he never would have taken that.
Jak

[Donut]

I always have had the impression that Lamar is a sensible hurt guy trying to act tough. Elvis had many really good qualities and I´m sure he loved Lamar but being the target of all the jokes from him and the guys must have been tiring and hurtful and his bad mouth toward Elvis nowadays seem like a consecuence of that to me.
The thing is they all wanted to stay and Elvis wanted all them around, they knew each other much better than us know them so they shouldn´t be so bad... this including Elvis.

[cameron]

From what I've read ,by all of them. They loved cutting up and playing tricks on each other. From what some have said, it's what they did to have fun. I've seen my boys get pretty rough playing .
I never took it as intentionally hurting anyone.

[Alessia]

That's one of my previous points, they stayed because they liked the lifestyle, what Elvis could get for them or give them, the prestige.
He CHOSE to stay ...

Exactly. I've seen it said around here many times that Elvis was responsible for himself and his bad choices, and I agree. If Lamar felt he was mistreated by Elvis, then he should have left and found another job. If any of the MM thought Elvis treated them badly, then they should have had the self-respect to leave and get another job. Elvis had no hold over any of them, couldn't make them hang around with him, and isn't responsible for them staying with him. The MM are as responsible for any choices they made as Elvis is for the choices he made.


As with most top celebrities, the fact no-one tells them 'NO' changes these people and when they haven't heard anyone say no for 20 odd years that person will think they can do almost anything!

Which is why Bruce Springsteen said one thing he'd learned from Elvis' life is that a celebrity has to try and stay in the real world a bit and avoid getting isolated. I think he was right about that (and hasn't done a bad job living a relatively normal life for a multimillionaire rock star).

[cameron]

I agree Alessia . Thanks for your post.

[Suzan]

I'm not saying Elvis didn't care for Lamar. He loved him, obviously.

But there were times when, like the classic alpha male of any group, that Elvis used Lamar as a metaphorical punching bag. Not pleasant.

Ok I see what your saying, again thank you for explaining it so that I understand your standpoint! Your very good at that! (y)(y)

Ok in that case, then reluctantly allbeit, but I do agree.

And no I'm not familiar w/the footage you referenced, I was going off of what I saw in TTWII rehearsals onstage.:)

I'm thinking I may not want to see this footage????? Anyway, yes Elvis did have a mean streak in him, we all do, but again I dont think as prelevent as snippets of film would have us think and honestly? I think the other's were a lot more cruel then Elvis.

But anyhow, everyone has their perception of events, life is just one huge perception I think, lol, and two people can be in the exact same situation and both will walk away w/a completely different version.:D

[Lion]

They are all under the influence of Elvis still, - who is very much a part of their lives. I think as the years go, they all want to emphasize their own importance in Elvis´ life, as his "best friend"... Also some of them are on speaking terms, some not...

[Getlo]

And that glass of water, the scene I remember is Joe and Sonny sitting at the table w/Lamar and joking w/Elvis onstage and Elvis thru the glass of water at all of them, I don't recall Lamar asking him to not embarass him?????

No, that's the scene in TTWII. I'm talking about one of the On Tour outtakes from 1972. It's not commercially available.

[Burning_Love]

I hope they are :D

[KPM]

Lamar was probably under the thumb more than anyone.Youre right about those outtakes.I felt bad for Lamar when Elvis soaked him.I guess the drying off with the towel was a little apology.Not a nice moment.I believe Jerry calls him fatty when they walk away.Elvis was a good guy but he treated all of them like crap at times.He called all the shots.Anybody that thinks he wasnt the supreme ruler of that entourage is kidding themselves. Jak
Who else could be supreme ruler of that entourage?;) I say it again IMO friends as employees is never a good thing. A regular employee would not get water thrown on him and humiliated in public-without a lawsuit. This was a viscious circle in my opinion which did not serve Elvis or the MM well. IMO His respect for them had to drop year after year. Their respect for him had to drop year after year. IMO By the mid 70s instead of being good friends or good employees- you had this mixture which was neither.

[Getlo]

Litte bit of information about the book here.

ELVIS: HOW YOU DOING MAN?

RED: I JUST WOKE UP.

...

Elvis: Take it easy.

Red: Bye-bye.

I've listened to this taped conversation four times since I last posted about it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here - and, again, I'll bet my entire Elvis collection! - but ...

... that is not Elvis Presley speaking on the tape!

I'm not saying Red never recorded a conversation between him and Elvis, but this certainly isn't it.

I know Elvis' speaking voice almost as well as I know my own ... and it's not him!

Anyone else think so?

Have a listen here: http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

[Suzan]

I've listened to this taped conversation four times since I last posted about it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here - and, again, I'll bet my entire Elvis collection! - but ...

... that is not Elvis Presley speaking on the tape!

I'm not saying Red never recorded a conversation between him and Elvis, but this certainly isn't it.

I know Elvis' speaking voice almost as well as I know my own ... and it's not him!

Anyone else think so?

Have a listen here: http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm

It's hard to tell w/this because his voice is muted. But no in parts the infliction doesn't sound like him and his Southern drawl is more pronounced.
To me sounds more like Vernon.

[cameron]

I've listened to this taped conversation four times since I last posted about it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here - and, again, I'll bet my entire Elvis collection! - but ...

... that is not Elvis Presley speaking on the tape!

I'm not saying Red never recorded a conversation between him and Elvis, but this certainly isn't it.

I know Elvis' speaking voice almost as well as I know my own ... and it's not him!

Anyone else think so?

Have a listen here: http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/red/redphone.htm
Surely, you're not suggesting the MM would lie ?? :supriced::supriced:

BTW: I don't want or need your Elvis collection. Thanks, anyway. ;)

[Getlo]

Surely, you're not suggesting the MM would lie ?? :supriced::supriced:

You're repeating yourself. You used a variation of the same "joke" a couple of posts back. Most tiresome.

And I have never suggested everything the MM says is the truth.


BTW: I don't want or need your Elvis collection. Thanks, anyway. ;)

You'd lliterally be the last person I'd want my Elvis collection going to. But thanks for letting me know.

[cameron]

You're repeating yourself. You used a variation of the same "joke" a couple of posts back. Most tiresome.

And I have never suggested everything the MM says is the truth.



You'd lliterally be the last person I'd want my Elvis collection going to. But thanks for letting me know.

You could fool me. :lmfao:
Yes, many things often repeated gets very boring , IMO.

[Diane]

I just listened to this phone conversation supposedly between Red and Elvis and agree with Getlo, something about the voice doesn't sound like Elvis but what I don't understand is why would Red fake a phone call like this?

Diane

[Suzan]

I just listened to this phone conversation supposedly between Red and Elvis and agree with Getlo, something about the voice doesn't sound like Elvis but what I don't understand is why would Red fake a phone call like this?

Diane

I don't think Red faked it, I think maybe he was duped? But again it's hard to make out the voice in the audio though I to say it doesn't sound like Elvis, my prev. post, lol....to me in parts it sounds like Vernon.

Also I found it odd that when discussing Elvis Red says "he" as in speaking about Elvis to this individual?

[Getlo]

You could fool me. :lmfao:

Yes, and so could a taped conversation between Red and "Elvis", evidently.

[cameron]

Yes, and so could a taped conversation between Red and "Elvis", evidently.

I'm happy to see you're on the ball.
Re-write history to suit yourself ; everyone else does . (y)

[cameron]

You should leave this questioning alone. You could ruin many lives. Leave things as they are. You will never know everything.

It's ok, Knoxelvis.
This is an Elvis message site. Many things are discussed I don't like either.
Just try and stay off those topics.
Nope, we'll never know everything. But, how do you stop a run away train? ;) Just ignore what you can.
BTW: Many lives have already been ruined. Nothing anyone can do about that.

[MissyM]

I want to know how peoples lives can be ruined. Do you know something we don't Knox?

[Getlo]

Originally Posted by Knoxelvis
You should leave this questioning alone. You could ruin many lives. Leave things as they are. You will never know everything.

Hey Knoxelvis ... why do you keep posting, then deleting your posts? Got something to hide?

And how can questioning whether the MM are still friends be "ruining lives"? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Where are you, Knoxelvis???

[MissyM]

Drop a bomb and leave! No fair!!!!!

[TurnpikeTaylor]

Maybe Elvis does`nt sound like his usual self because he was so zonked out.

[utmom2008]

Originally Posted by Knoxelvis
You should leave this questioning alone. You could ruin many lives. Leave things as they are. You will never know everything.

Hey Knoxelvis ... why do you keep posting, then deleting your posts? Got something to hide?

And how can questioning whether the MM are still friends be "ruining lives"? :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Where are you, Knoxelvis???
What is the deal with Knoxelvis (n) Why on earth does he post...then continually delete? ;);) Knoxelvis...are you a ghost??

[utmom2008]

Close. I'm Elvis.
WOW.....WOW!! Now I am REALLY impressed...;););)

[utmom2008]

Close. I'm Elvis.
Knoxelvis???? Your post count is "2". Does anyone else find this amusing?? :hmm:

[presley31]

Close. I'm Elvis.

Thats a bit odd huh:hmm:

[KPM]

Close. I'm Elvis.
I have to disagree with you because Elvis Presley is dead. Elvis died 8-16-77.
If your real name is Elvis-then you would be "an Elvis"-but not "the Elvis"
If you are implying you are "the Elvis" I have to disagree.

[Diane]

LOL, we have a ghost Elvis on our site.....how cool!:lol:


Diane

[Getlo]

Originally Posted by Knoxelvis
Close. I'm Elvis.

Pal, you are not even Elvis' boot strap. :lmfao: You come on here, posting usually inflammatory and inaccurate stuff, then run away.


Knoxelvis???? Your post count is "2". Does anyone else find this amusing?? :hmm:

No, it's annoying. I really wish he'd keep his posts on here so we can discuss them and keep the threads going.

[Merry]

Originally Posted by Knoxelvis
Close. I'm Elvis.

Pal, you are not even Elvis' boot strap. You come on here, posting usually inflammatory and inaccurate stuff, then run away.



No, it's annoying.


Please share your sources, for the inaccuracies?





:hmm: (n) (n) (n)




Please refer to:

TCB WORLD.com Code of Conduct


Please do not harass, threaten, stalk, spam, or otherwise abuse other users.

Please DO have fun, engage with other members, and treat your fellow TCB Worlders with RESPECT.

[Getlo]

Please share your sources, for the inaccuracies?


Well, it's a little difficult now, because he removes his posts. Did you even read his post to me, calling me a "sore"? I presume that's why he was banned for a week.

Perhaps my comment about him will see me banned or issued with another infraction; but he is deliberately inflammatory with his blink-and-you'll-miss-them posts. My comment was issued in half-jest, as was I assume his own comment about being Elvis.

And thank you so much for a reminder of the rules. You be sure to discuss them at your next moderator meeting. Oh, that's right ... you're not a moderator.

You got something to say to me? PM it! :angry::angry::angry::cursing::cursing:

But back to the MM being freinds ...

[Suzan]

Please share your sources, for the inaccuracies?





:hmm: (n) (n) (n)




Please refer to:

TCB WORLD.com Code of Conduct


Please do not harass, threaten, stalk, spam, or otherwise abuse other users.

Please DO have fun, engage with other members, and treat your fellow TCB Worlders with RESPECT.

Am I missing something? I don't see anything that's against the rules in Getlo's response that you posted.
What I find disrespectful to the forum, the moderators (who have their hands full, which initself is sad, and other forum members, is people claiming to be Elvis, posting their responses, then deleting them, provoking other members and addressing their personal things on an open thread, claiming falsehoods and starting threads meant to entice arguments, shoot the list is endless. I to find it remarkable that some think they are the moderators. This forum ALREADY HAS FANTASTIC MODERATORS and they DON'T need ANY assistance from regular forum members, and if they do I'm sure they will let whomever they chose to assist know privately..
As many many have said, including the mods, if you don't like a topic stay off of it, if you have an opinion, like everyone else you have the right to post it, don't attack another's post and the same courtesy will be extended. Look thru the threads, you will find who the instigators are and it's not the one's that some finger's are pointing at, that is quite easy to see.

There are nights I truly truly feel bad for the moderators, having my own forum, I know the work, effort and love that goes into something like this, they've tried to create a place to DISCUSS Elvis and his life, a place to share, learn and have fun, and that is increasingly difficult to do due to certain individuals who find it necessary to attack, name call, etc...then get upset when the object of their attack responds in kind. Sad very sad. Let's show the mods that we actually ARE ABLE to act like the adults most of us are (shoot some teens on here act more mature at times) and leave the personal things to either pm's or some other form of private communication.

In defense of Getlo, having been following his posts, he has not attacked anyone that I've seen (if I'm incorrect I apologize, I'm going by my own experience) he asks ? when something posted out of thin air, he'd like to know how that person either came to that conclusion, or where the info came from, there is nothing wrong in that, how else are we supposed to learn? I've asked myself, and not gotten responses, in which case, if I can't prove something or answer a rebuttal ? I don't post, or I'm uncertain I will say so and I would like to know another's opinion or what they've read, and where, so that I am better informed, it is not meant as an "attack", some truly need to look up the true meaning of the word "attack" before they use it so loosely. (y)

Getlo I hope not, I think the mods see the situation, I think they are aware. :D

I've met some wonderful wonderful, intelligent and sweet people on this forum and for that I'm thankful, I look forward to coming here and seeing their wonderful and insightful posts (you know who you guys are :D), lets not allow a handful of people to ruin that. I've noticed that some great members have ceased posting and that's a shame.
Donut is back and I'm happy about that, along w/quite a few others.(y)

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN! And if you want respect you need to give it as well. Don't expect anything more of someone else then what you yourself are willing to give.

Sorry for the "War & Peace" novel but this is something I've wanted to say for a bit.

Thanks mods for all that you do, that from me has been a long time coming! (y)(y)

[Merry]

Well, it's a little difficult now, because he removes his posts. Did you even read his post to me, calling me a "sore"? I presume that's why he was banned for a week.

Perhaps my comment about him will see me banned or issued with another infraction; but he is deliberately inflammatory with his blink-and-you'll-miss-them posts,

And thank you so much for a reminder of the rules. You be sure to discuss them at your next moderator meeting. Oh, that's right ... you're not a moderator.

You got something to say to me? PM it! :angry::angry::angry::cursing::cursing:

But back to the MM being freinds ...



If there were inaccuracies, for you to state that there were, in your post, you must have remembered them, as otherwise, you wouldn't have said it in the first place, so please share? :D (y)

Or, perhaps, you were presuming? :hmm:

I'm sorry that you always like to set yourself up as the victim. :hmm:


Oh, back to the subject. Of course some of the MM are still friends. Marty apparently phones Sonny every week. However, there is more to it. Have a nice day! (y)

[Getlo]

But none of them (save for Jerry) keep in contact with Joe Esposito.

He is not held in high regard by anyone in the MM. Same with Geller, although I don't consider him as a member of the MM (as much as he pretends otherwise).

[Suzan]

But none of them (save for Jerry) keep in contact with Joe Esposito.

He is not held in high regard by anyone in the MM. Same with Geller, although I don't consider him as a member of the MM (as much as he pretends otherwise).


That is true.
Getlo do you know if Sonny and George are back on speaking terms? And I do think that George and Joe and Jerry talk to ea. other...I wonder if they'll now communicate w/Geller that Pris is now ok w/him? lol I agree btw w/what you said about Geller, even though a good friend of mine says he to is a nice guy having spent time w/him, which again, is prob. true but doesn't mean he is correct in his view or story of his importance in Elvis' life.:)

[Getlo]

Getlo do you know if Sonny and George are back on speaking terms?

I've been lucky enough to spend time with them both, but neither mentioned the other. Then again, I didn't think to ask.

I did ask Sonny his opinion about Joe though ... but he asked me to keep his thoughts to myself until after he dies! Let's just say I can't print Sonny's words about Joe on here ...

[Suzan]

I've been lucky enough to spend time with them both, but neither mentioned the other. Then again, I didn't think to ask.

I did ask Sonny his opinion about Joe though ... but he asked me to keep his thoughts to myself until after he dies! Let's just say I can't print Sonny's words about Joe on here ...

Thank you for responding...:D
How cool, I don't know what to make of George at times but my friend who's hung w/him couple times, she likes him a lot...he seems nice enough...I just don't always believe he was part of MM but have no doubt good friends w/Elvis.:D

I like Sonny a lot, I think he's gotten a raw deal...to me he comes across sincere, though some stories he's told may not be totally accurate, but then again it all comes down to perception.:)

LOL no worries, and I can only imagine...Joe, IMO, has gotten quite an ego few yrs. running and in interviews he sounds like he's memorized the script when discussing Elvis...that's just my impression.lol

Again thank you for responding, much appreciated. :D:notworthy

[TurnpikeTaylor]

Sonny thought everything was cool between himself and George Klein, after Klein approached Sonny (at a funeral i think) and told him "i love you Sonny".

But Klein has since said negative things about Sonny.

Sonny actually shared a room with Esposito back in the 60`s, and got on well with him at that time. But things are a little different now!

[Suzan]

Sonny thought everything was cool between himself and George Klein, after Klein approached Sonny (at a funeral i think) and told him "i love you Sonny".

But Klein has since said negative things about Sonny.

Sonny actually shared a room with Esposito back in the 60`s, and got on well with him at that time. But things are a little different now!


Thank you...I found that interview w/Sonny, that was @ Charlies funeral, things like that make me go :hmm::hmm: w/Klein.

[Merry]

Am I missing something? I don't see anything that's against the rules in Getlo's response that you posted.
(y)

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN!
! (y)(y)



I have to disagree with you. You did refer to respect, and it is in the Rules.

Common courtesy; being polite; manners would go with that; being inclusive of all; makes a big difference, to any situation, whether it is business, or personal.

Unfortunately, with today's media, things are changing, for the worse, in my opinion.


Respect (and common courtesy) should be given to all, otherwise, where would our World be? That's right, where it is now (n)


A lot of people have left, yes, since I've been here, you are right. People who have stood up for being respectful towards Elvis, then left, because of said treatment. Some have come back, but they don't say a word, which is understandable.

The fan's posts, speak for themselves; yes, you have missed them, because they gave up, because they were too polite to continue arguing. JJ has also said to Getlo recently to "stay off".

You seem to like saying your peace, and then thank the Mods. :hmm:

Oh, Ricardo did PM Getlo, to sort things out, but that was posted publicly, so no point in doing that.

[Getlo]

Unfortunately, with today's media, things are changing, for the worse, in my opinion.

What on earth has the media - and blaming it for every single woe in the world? - got to do with anything?


A lot of people have left, yes, since I've been here, you are right. People who have stood up for being respectful towards Elvis

Do not even presume, not for one nanosecond, that I do not respect Elvis. :mad: To talk about his negatives openly and honestly is not to show disrespect. You are once again being passive-aggressive and not saying things outright. And if people choose to leave the forum, that is their choice. Nobody forces them off. Some posters back away when they're asked for sources. And, once again, I defy you to find any post where I have been scathing to anyone first.


JJ has also said to Getlo recently to "stay off".

You need to read posts carefully and stop posting falsehoods. What he said was that I should stay off posts if I didn't like them.


Oh, Ricardo did PM Getlo, to sort things out, but that was posted publicly, so no point in doing that.

To sort things out? Did you even read his PM? I'd publish any PM again that is sent to me if it furthers aggression.

[Merry]

What on earth has the media - and blaming it for every single woe in the world? - got to do with anything?


The media de-sensitises, with their reporting. Shows like Big Brother, for example, show our children that it is 'acceptable' to not include people, to bully people.



Do not even presume, not for one nanosecond, that I do not respect Elvis. :mad: To talk about his negatives openly and honestly is not to show disrespect. You are once again being passive-aggressive and not saying things outright. And if people choose to leave the forum, that is their choice. Nobody forces them off. Some posters back away when they're asked for sources. And, once again, I defy you to find any post where I have been scathing to anyone first..



RESPECT:

9.to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat. 10.to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights. 11.to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.



To sort things out? Did you even read his PM? I'd publish any PM again that is sent to me if it furthers aggression.


In my opinion, you are very touchy, and like to act the victim.

[cameron]

Aggression does seem to be the way with some . Of course, it drives people away. No one can have a discussion without some getting in the agressive mode .
It solves nothing as there is no "give and take" ; only the aggressors claiming to "know all." That's not a discussion, IMO. just the thrill of bullying others .
Very sad . :'(

[Suzan]

I have to disagree with you. You did refer to respect, and it is in the Rules.

Common courtesy; being polite; manners would go with that; being inclusive of all; makes a big difference, to any situation, whether it is business, or personal.

Unfortunately, with today's media, things are changing, for the worse, in my opinion.


Respect (and common courtesy) should be given to all, otherwise, where would our World be? That's right, where it is now (n)


A lot of people have left, yes, since I've been here, you are right. People who have stood up for being respectful towards Elvis, then left, because of said treatment. Some have come back, but they don't say a word, which is understandable.

The fan's posts, speak for themselves; yes, you have missed them, because they gave up, because they were too polite to continue arguing. JJ has also said to Getlo recently to "stay off".

You seem to like saying your peace, and then thank the Mods. :hmm:

Oh, Ricardo did PM Getlo, to sort things out, but that was posted publicly, so no point in doing that.

Jess if your going to quote me, please do it accurately and re-read my post. I did not post the original reference to forum rules and respect. Take a second look please.

And since you only choose certain parts of my post, am I to take it you agree w/the rest? If so in that case your response is mute.

If you have anything further to say to me, once again, I'm asking you do it in pm, thank you.

And the respect issue, read the rest of what I wrote hon :) Here you go:

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN! And if you want respect you need to give it as well. Don't expect anything more of someone else then what you yourself are willing to give.

This is what I've been taught, if you haven't well that is a difference in our backgrounds nothing more. I respect your opinions, please do likewise w/mine.

What exactly are you trying to say w/me saying my piece? I have every right to do so just as you yourself have now done and one has NOTHING to do w/the other, so why my thanking the mods has you irked and ? is beyond me...do you not think they deserve thanks for this forum that you and I an a multitude of others come to? Do they not put effort into it?
The mods DO DESERVE A THANK YOU! If you don't agree that is your own issue something nobody can help you with but yourself.

[cameron]

The media de-sensitises, with their reporting. Shows like Big Brother, for example, show our children that it is 'acceptable' to not include people, to bully people.


RESPECT:

9.to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat. 10.to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights. 11.to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.

In my opinion, you are very touchy, and like to act the victim.

I agree, Jess .(y)

[Getlo]

It solves nothing as there is no "give and take" ; only the aggressors claiming to "know all." That's not a discussion, IMO. just the thrill of bullying others .
Very sad . :'(


In my opinion, you are very touchy, and like to act the victim.

You are both classic passive-aggressives.

It is people like you who ruin threads. Oh, that's only my opinion of course! Not.

I am done responding to you both, for the foreseeable future at least. No doubt you'll be glad of that, and will make some ******** comments about it in your next posts. This, and you, are now boring.

I'd suggest you place my profile on ignore, as I will be doing the same to both of you.

[Merry]

You are right, Cameron, thank you.

(y)

You are a very nice MAN, LOL!!!

I'm going to bow out, I'm not into "dirt".

[Suzan]

You are right, Cameron, thank you.

(y)

You are a very nice MAN, LOL!!!

I'm going to bow out, I'm not into "dirt".

Good thinking
Check your pm Jess.

[cameron]

You are both classic passive-aggressives.

It is people like you who ruin threads. Oh, that's only my opinion of course! Not.

I am done responding to you both, for the foreseeable future at least. No doubt you'll be glad of that, and will make some ******** comments about it in your next posts. This, and you, are now boring.

I'd suggest you place my profile on ignore, as I will be doing the same to both of you.


That could be a good thing, IMO.;)
I love reading your posts though; so I'll just keep you "on." :)

[Suzan]

What in the world has any of this to do w/the MM thread? Seems same people hijacking and tossing the first stone. Mods please go back a couple of pages.:(

Some MM are still friends, as stated and as I've said, there are factions....that is fact of life, happens to every day people as well, people change, grow apart, bicker, so forth and so on.

I wish that George Klein had been nicer to Sonny, as he was quite different @ Charlie's funeral (Sonny interview) and then turned on him, quite sad and I wonder why he did it?

[cameron]

I can't say that I like Sonny or Red. Just my opinion.

I do think there is and has always been factions within the group.
Much jealousy and egos, IMO. Same as our life I agree.

[Suzan]

I can't say that I like Sonny or Red. Just my opinion.

I do think there is and has always been factions within the group.
Much jealousy and egos, IMO. Same as our life I agree.

And you are entitled to that opinion, thank you for not jumping on me for mine and me saying I like Sonny, much appreciated.:)

I don't care for Red, just something about him I can't put my finger on, but I do like Sonny.

Not sure of George as I've heard conflicting accts. by those that spent time w/him....

Yes I agree, I think you and I said same thing prior, that there was always a division within the group, just they were free to express it after Elvis passing.

Yes very much like everyone's life and the people in it...sad but true.

[Donut]

have ceased posting and that's a shame.
Donut is back and I'm happy about that, along w/quite a few others.(y)



Thank you Suzan but I never left or planned to. It´s just that some days I´m so amazed reading some posts that my fingers can´t type properly.

[Suzan]

Thank you Suzan but I never left or planned to. It´s just that some days I´m so amazed reading some posts that my fingers can´t type properly.

Your welcome, I miss you when you don't post, your quite eliquent and just nice, even when "reprimanding" (for lack of a better term).(y) I"m glad you didn't leave nor plan to...this place would not be the same w/o you, IMO.

Yes I know the feeling w/what you said in your last sentence. :(

:hug:

[Knoxelvis]

Some of you I wouldn't give the time of day. Some are very nice people. The ones that aren't, you aren't fans. You just want to see yourself in print. You go on about things like you know but you have no idea what you are talking about. The kind of fan that makes a person want to quit if they feel responsible for producing the type of human being you are. The MM were angels compared to some of you. Marty had his faults but he wasn't deceptive. Red and Sonny had tempers but they were upfront and all around good guys. Joe, i will admit, you had to watch because you didn't know what side of the fence he was on sometimes. The Stanleys, they couldn't help who their mother was. But they could be nice kids. Charley was a very good friend despite what the know it alls say. Lamar, yes I know he got picked on but everyone assumed he was taking it in good humor. Yes , you can look back and see things you wish you had done differently. George is ok, like everyone else, he wants to achieve his fame. He helped out a few times. I hope to be banned for this because this place leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's evident that peopel get preferential treatment. Be assured you don't have the kind of spirit a true fan has. This board is disappointing to say the least. Stick to the facts, like record sales. You peopel are way off in your opinions. And I will remind you, they are OPINIONS. No matter what you say a true fan does not sit around and discuss the dirt on someone's personal life. Even if you respect someone you wouldn't do that. So, do waht you people do best. argue among yourselves.

[cameron]

Some of you I wouldn't give the time of day. Some are very nice people. The ones that aren't, you aren't fans. You just want to see yourself in print. You go on about things like you know but you have no idea what you are talking about. The kind of fan that makes a person want to quit if they feel responsible for producing the type of human being you are. The MM were angels compared to some of you. Marty had his faults but he wasn't deceptive. Red and Sonny had tempers but they were upfront and all around good guys. Joe, i will admit, you had to watch because you didn't know what side of the fence he was on sometimes. The Stanleys, they couldn't help who their mother was. But they could be nice kids. Charley was a very good friend despite what the know it alls say. Lamar, yes I know he got picked on but everyone assumed he was taking it in good humor. Yes , you can look back and see things you wish you had done differently. George is ok, like everyone else, he wants to achieve his fame. He helped out a few times. I hope to be banned for this because this place leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's evident that peopel get preferential treatment. Be assured you don't have the kind of spirit a true fan has. This board is disappointing to say the least. Stick to the facts, like record sales. You peopel are way off in your opinions. And I will remind you, they are OPINIONS. No matter what you say a true fan does not sit around and discuss the dirt on someone's personal life. Even if you respect someone you wouldn't do that. So, do waht you people do best. argue among yourselves.

Thanks, Knoxelvis
You had your say and I'm glad.I can agree with much of what you say .
Just wish you wouldn't take off..

There are some "bad apples" everywhere in life.
We just have to sort the "bad ones" out....;)

You see, I disagree with some of the people you like too.
I just don't sit around complaining about them.

You're right about one thing; this is an Elvis site . It would be nice if we could just stick to Elvis. He was complicated enough, IMO.
We'll never "know it all" and IMO, we shouldn't .....(y)
We don't have that right.

[Suzan]

We'll never "know it all" and IMO, we shouldn't

I've said that quite a few times, so I have to agree w/your statement LOL

[Suzan]

I wonder if Charlie, prior to his passing, if he'd reconciled w/those he'd been in disagreement with and if any of them called him from time to time to see how he was doing?

I wonder, apart from egos and wanting to have Elvis ear/attn., personalities, if there was something else underlying the fanctions in the group prior to Elvis' passing? I would think that sharing that very rarified world that it would have bonded them more????

[jak]

Do you guys realize that knoxelvis is pretending he is Elvis?When you take his comments seriously you are only encouraging this.If it really is you Im sorry "E"
Jak

[Suzan]

Do you guys realize that knoxelvis is pretending he is Elvis?When you take his comments seriously you are only encouraging this.If it really is you Im sorry "E"
Jak

I was addressing Cameron. :doh:
I was quite aware, thanks though.

[presley31]

Thanks, Knoxelvis
You had your say and I'm glad.I can agree with much of what you say .
Just wish you wouldn't take off..

There are some "bad apples" everywhere in life.
We just have to sort the "bad ones" out....;)

You see, I disagree with some of the people you like too.
I just don't sit around complaining about them.

You're right about one thing; this is an Elvis site . It would be nice if we could just stick to Elvis. He was complicated enough, IMO.
We'll never "know it all" and IMO, we shouldn't .....(y)
We don't have that right.

l agree Cameron (y)

[Suzan]

I wonder if Charlie, prior to his passing, if he'd reconciled w/those he'd been in disagreement with and if any of them called him from time to time to see how he was doing?

I wonder, apart from egos and wanting to have Elvis ear/attn., personalities, if there was something else underlying the fanctions in the group prior to Elvis' passing? I would think that sharing that very rarified world that it would have bonded them more????

Anybody? LOL

[cameron]

Do you guys realize that knoxelvis is pretending he is Elvis?When you take his comments seriously you are only encouraging this.If it really is you Im sorry "E"
Jak

I don't believe he/she is doing that at all.
It's as some of us do. It's a joke, jak. Smile and go on.
There are others here that go by the name of Elvis .

[jak]

I don't believe he/she is dooing that at all.
It's as some of us do. It's a joke, jak. Smile and go on. :blink:

Perfect!!!

[Getlo]

Some of you I wouldn't give the time of day. Some are very nice people. The ones that aren't, you aren't fans. You just want to see yourself in print. You go on about things like you know but you have no idea what you are talking about. The kind of fan that makes a person want to quit if they feel responsible for producing the type of human being you are.

Pathetic. (n):lmfao::lmfao:


I hope to be banned for this

That's the mods' call, obviously, but that's the smartest thing I've read here in a while. Adios. :smoke:

[cameron]

I wonder if Charlie, prior to his passing, if he'd reconciled w/those he'd been in disagreement with and if any of them called him from time to time to see how he was doing?

I wonder, apart from egos and wanting to have Elvis ear/attn., personalities, if there was something else underlying the fanctions in the group prior to Elvis' passing? I would think that sharing that very rarified world that it would have bonded them more????
I haven't really heard anything about Charlie "making up" with anyone before he passed. I've been to his site his wife set up afterwards though. She seems very nice .

[presley31]

I haven't really heard anything about Charlie "making up" with anyone before he passed. I've been to his site his wife set up afterwards though. She seems very nice .

Jennifer Hodge is a very nice person(y)

[cameron]

Pathetic. (n):lmfao::lmfao:



That's the mods' call, obviously, but that's the smartest thing I've read here in a while. Adios. :smoke:

Then let the mods call it. What do you say?
Adios.

[cameron]

Jennifer Hodge is a very nice person(y)

She seems to be.
I always thought Charlie was too, though some disagree .

[presley31]

http://www.charliehodge.net/

Good website

[cameron]

It's not a joke but that is all I will say to anyone here.

OK, then thanks for checking in. Happy to have you.
Just stop running off. :)
Hope you enjoy and can tell us something we don't know.

After 30 years of "fake Elvis'" I'm sure you'll understand that we'd be skeptical?? Yep, I've heard all the stories.
Just don't go preaching at me, ok?? :) Enjoy.

[presley31]

It's not a joke but that is all I will say to anyone here.

Telling the turth might help:doh:

[Suzan]

I haven't really heard anything about Charlie "making up" with anyone before he passed. I've been to his site his wife set up afterwards though. She seems very nice .

It's an excellent site, I wish that some of the guys would have reached out to him in the end....let bygones be bygones.

I thought it was very nice of Sonny that he went and George to, I wish Lisa would have gone, he deserved that from her I think, Pris should have gone as well, he never had a bad word to say.

[jak]

OK, then thanks for checking in. Happy to have you.
Just stop running off. :)
Hope you enjoy and can tell us something we don't know.

After 30 years of "fake Elvis'" I'm sure you'll understand that we'd be skeptical?? Yep, I've heard all the stories.
Just don't go preaching at me, ok?? :) Enjoy.

There you go.Here is youre oppurtunity to get Elvis(knoxelvis) to set the record straight.

[cameron]

There you go.Here is youre oppurtunity to get Elvis(knoxelvis) to set the record straight.

Ahh, just let people alone, jak.
It doesn't bother me, I think I've heard it all. :)

[Suzan]

Hey anybody hear anything on Al Strada? Or Sam Thompson, anything recent? Is Sam still a judge?

[cameron]

It's an excellent site, I wish that some of the guys would have reached out to him in the end....let bygones be bygones.

I thought it was very nice of Sonny that he went and George to, I wish Lisa would have gone, he deserved that from her I think, Pris should have gone as well, he never had a bad word to say.

Well, IMO , I think Priscilla might have went. Not sure if Lisa would still relate to him. But, yes. It would have been a nice thing to do on her part.

[Suzan]

Well, IMO , I think Priscilla might have went. Not sure if Lisa would still relate to him. But, yes. It would have been a nice thing to do on her part.

No Pris wasn't there.:( Neither was Lisa...and they had still kept in touch.

[cameron]

No Pris wasn't there.:( Neither was Lisa...and they had still kept in touch.

No, didn't mean Priscilla went.....didn't get my other word in. ;)
Priscilla might should have went. (y)
Can't type as fast as I think .


Linda was supposed to be at Elvis Week this year, but she hurt her shoulder {I think it was } and didn't get to go.
Last I knew, Sam retired. I thought they were going to write a book .
Haven't heard anymore about that for awhile.

"Linda Thompson, along with her brother Sam Thompson, will share their memories of Elvis from the 1970's. Linda Thompson, actress, poet, and Academy Award nominated songwriter, was Elvis's girlfriend from 1972 to 1976. Her brother Sam was a friend of Elvis and a member of his personal staff in the 1970s. This is Linda's first Elvis Week appearance. "

[Suzan]

No, didn't mean Priscilla went.....didn't get my other word in. ;)
Priscilla might should have went. (y)
Can't type as fast as I think .


Linda was supposed to be at Elvis Week this year, but she hurt her shoulder {I think it was } and didn't get to go.
Last I knew, Sam retired. I thought they were going to write a book .
Haven't heard anymore about that for awhile.

"Linda Thompson, along with her brother Sam Thompson, will share their memories of Elvis from the 1970's. Linda Thompson, actress, poet, and Academy Award nominated songwriter, was Elvis's girlfriend from 1972 to 1976. Her brother Sam was a friend of Elvis and a member of his personal staff in the 1970s. This is Linda's first Elvis Week appearance. "

Oh ok, lol, gotcha.:)
I heard it was broken shoulder as well????
I heard about the book but briefly and then never mentioned again so I figured it was rumor....

[presley31]

Well, IMO , I think Priscilla might have went. Not sure if Lisa would still relate to him. But, yes. It would have been a nice thing to do on her part.

My understanding priscilla was in touch with jennifer hodge after charlies passing.

[Suzan]

Mighty kind of her, lol, after the fact.

[KPM]

Do you guys realize that knoxelvis is pretending he is Elvis?When you take his comments seriously you are only encouraging this.If it really is you Im sorry "E"
Jak
I have no doubt it is not Elvis. Its already contentious enough on this site without someone pretending to be Elvis Presley and giving us the
"inside truth"

[jak]

I have no doubt it is not Elvis. Its already contentious enough on this site without someone pretending to be Elvis Presley and giving us the
"inside truth"

Hey KPM
You just burst my bubble!I was clinging to the notion that our fiery debates finally brought the king out from hiding!

[cameron]

No doubt a civilized discussion might work wonders .
Plus ,a good sense of humour .:)

[presley31]

No doubt a civilized discussion might work wonders .
Plus ,a good sense of humour .:)

I agree, l'am in need of a good laugh

[Merry]

I agree, l'am in need of a good laugh


Me too, honey.

In my opinion, I'd love to hear some truths, from a gentleman.

Hugs,
Kimmi

[cameron]

Me too, honey.

In my opinion, I'd love to hear some truths, from a gentleman.


Hugs,
Kimmi

I could use one of those good belly laughs ....
Yesterday was gawd awful. I'm still recuperating. :lol:

But, can I handle any truths ?? As long as it's fun, I'm game .

[KPM]

Hey KPM
You just burst my bubble!I was clinging to the notion that our fiery debates finally brought the king out from hiding!
Sorry to have done that Jak, I don't like to rain on anyones parade but sometimes it has to be done.:D

[Latte]

Reading these daytime soaps, besides making my head hurt,
also makes me realize what deceptive complicated relationships all these people had with each other,
elvis was just caught in the middle to some respects. It must have been paranoia city, I know i would need a few vices including a gun. D*mn i would lose it, watching my back all the time.

[riley]

don't find any post from a knoxelvis.....
Was it deleted, don't know what you all talking about?????
He said he was Elvis??????

Sorry can't follow

[cameron]

Reading these daytime soaps, besides making my head hurt,
also makes me realize what deceptive complicated relationships all these people had with each other,
elvis was just caught in the middle to some respects. It must have been paranoia city, I know i would need a few vices including a gun. D*mn i would lose it, watching my back all the time.

I can certainly agree with what you said! (y)
Would have been very unsettling for sure .

[cameron]

don't find any post from a knoxelvis.....
Was it deleted, don't know what you all talking about?????
He said he was Elvis??????

Sorry can't follow

You'll have to look where he {Knoxelvis } was quoted .
Yes, he deletes his posts. Not sure what he thinks that accomplishes .:doh: