Per Sillerman-"Graceland will no longer be a house tour"

[EP75]

I was doing some web surfing late last night and stumbled over this old article from a Memphis news station WMC-TV. It was dated from February 2006 when Bob SIllerman dropped the bomb shell on the Elvis world about his plans to redevelop the grounds around Graceland into a Disney type of resort and attraction. Here is what he said.

"Graceland will no longer be a house tour," he said Thursday. "It will be a thematic attraction, and it will take its place in this country with the great attractions like Disneyland, Universal, ect."

That sounds to me that the plans call for the tour of the home to be just one of the many things to do. Whereas today it's the main attraction. He also added this.

"We want to give people more things to do when they visit it," he said. "It's not going to become an amusement park. It will always pay homage to Elvis, and his impact as a cultural icon in America."

Now reading that first quote and then putting it all into perspective you can clearly see his vision is to turn the tourism of Graceland from a legendary icon into a world class resort on par with Disney and Epcot and as he mentioned Universal Studios. Last night I posted this below at the Urbanplanet website under a current thread about theredevelopment plans for Graceland. Here's what I wrote.

As a fan of Elvis, I am stoked over the thought of new attractions replacing the current outdated cheap looking setup that they have now. I heard about a really cool attraction in Orlando called City Walk as part of the Universal Studios theme park. It's a retail and entertainment complex of themed style restaurants and shops. Bob Sillerman is planning to go all out and redevelop the entire area around Graceland into a tourist attraction on par with Disney. He's reportedly bought up homes behind and around the mansion. He wants a tourist attraction that will triple the average tourism at Graceland and have visitors to stay for more than a day or two and turn it into a resort like Disney. He is planning for an entertainment complex, retail and shopping, dining, and even an outdoor amphitheater. All part of a $250 million or more project. Obviously whatever he's planning will be a massive redevelopment for that price. So I am wondering if he is planning to build something in the lines of a City Walk-Memphis style in the area across from Graceland that will be about 60+ acres of open space available. Jack Soden has been quoted as calling the plans "a Beale Street where you can take the kids". And that is just exactly what City Walk is. Live entertainment and retail and clubs.

Here's a link to City Walk. Something like this would be superb as part of the plans and would really blend Elvis and Memphis' musical heritage together in style!

This is a large map of City Walk in Orlando. It was also built and designed by the man behind the future plans at Graceland. I can see this beautiful complex attraction where the current Heartbreak Hotel sits taking up space. And I can see a 500 room conventional hotel connected to it by a large canal.(y)

http://www.disneyclubs.com/universal/citywalk_map.jpg

http://www.willcad.org/maps/misc/2005-12/uni_citywalk_2005-12.jpg

Now I don't know if this is what Bob Sillerman is planning to build as the entertainment complex but it certainly fits the bill to say the least and it isn't tacky or out of place. Think of this with an Elvis and musical theme. Restaurants and clubs named after his songs and movies. The King Creole would be a great name for Cajun served dishes in one restaurant while the Margarita for a Mexican restaurant. Just to give you all an example.:D

Here's the links to the article I took the quote from.
http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

Here's another article that talks about the entertainment complex plans for Graceland.
http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4593199

And for those interested in wanting to know more about City Walk nightspot shopping and dining here's the website.
http://www.universalorlando.com/cw_index.html

[MissyM]

what would Elvis think????

[cameron]

Yes, I've seen this before.
Just have to wait and see, I guess.

[Getlo]

what would Elvis think????

He'd probably spew ...

[Wendy56]

Thanks for the article. I'll give it a careful reading.

[Suzan]

He CAN'T do anything to the house, Lisa owns it...he is just in charge of the tours. :D

ROFLMBO good one Getlo! ;) Here we go again.

[presley31]

Thanks for posting.

[EP75]

He CAN'T do anything to the house, Lisa owns it...he is just in charge of the tours. :D

ROFLMBO good one Getlo! ;) Here we go again.

True. He can't add to the house. However he does have the authority (providing Lisa agrees) to remove or change things that were not original to the home and grounds when EP lived there. Such as the trophy room which was the racquetball court. And he can add new things as long as it does not interfere with the house itself. For instance if he wanted to build a new barn or upgrade the existing one, he can do that. Or if he wanted to run a new walkway to the grave site or build a head cover over the grave area to shelter from rain, he could do that too. Anything is possible to add or build on the original grounds as long as it does not degrade or take away from the integrity of the home. He can also build amusement and theme parks using EP's name and likeness as long as it's in good taste and not degrading. All of this is in the official contract. I am banned from FECC and can't read it anymore (for reasons unexplainable and unfare) and I saw it posted over there back in May or June of this year. So if you or anyone feels like searching their database for it then do so and you will find it. It was part of the current deal made with Simon Fuller.

[Getlo]

He can also build amusement and theme parks using EP's name and likeness as long as it's in good taste and not degrading

Seriously, I'm not trying to start another argument here EP75, but I fail to see how any sort of amusement featuring Elvis would not be in good taste and degrading ...

[EP75]

Here's how I see this all playing out from what all has been reported and what all Bob Sillerman has said him self. This will all be developed into phases. Possibly 2 or 3. Phase 1 will obviously be the new Visitor's center and museum as this would be the most logical and most needed new attraction before anything else can be built. Another thing is that the current plaza will be demolished once the new Center is opened.

Phase 2 will more than likely be the convention hotel. This I assume will be built in the location of the plaza and the apartment complex directly behind it (which EPE and FXS now own) The hotel is reported to be 500 rooms (instead of original plans for 2 400 room hotels) with expanded convention space. I have looked at a lot of different convention hotels around the world and most of them are not built in residential areas but mostly in downtown areas. This will be a rarity to say the least. It will definitely stand out and will be TALL. I assume at 500 rooms, it will be no less than 12 stories. But most likely taller around 14 stories. We have an Embassy Suits hotel with 300 rooms and it stands 10 stories and is a conventional hotel and built connected to our civic center arena where EP performed.

Phase 3 will probably be the planned Entertainment complex as mentioned in this thread. That is if it's not built with the hotel. As you know, I am assuming that his plans are to build a world class entertainment complex resort that will be opened to the visitors and the general [public to keep business at a steady flow. I think it will be both EP related and non EP related for retail shopping, dining, and entertainment. I am thinking that there will be a digital state of the art movie theater that shows modern day films in Hi Def form on digital screens replacing the old projector screen standard. These theaters are the way of the future. In fact Huntsville is opening our own state of the art digital theater here soon called the Monaco Pictures Theater. It will be part of a new $210 million world class retail and entertainment complex called Bridge Street Town Centre. The theater will serve pizza and cocktails and shrimp instead of your usual popcorn and coke. It will be the very first ever built in the world! I can see Bob Sillerman going into this direction with the expansion plans.

I have studied the new 100+ acres that EPE and FXS now own and the area across from Graceland is roughly 60+ acres alone. To give you an example of just how big that is, the City Walk in Orlando only takes up 30 acres of land. There will definitely be a good 30-40 acres of land to build a world class entertainment complex and amphitheater in that location. Also, don't be surprised to see future live broadcasts of American Idol at the new expansion. EPE is now tied in with the world famous reality show.

I think the overall time span of the entire project will take around 3-4 years and completed by the next major anniversary in 2012. I expect the groundbreaking to take place soon. Possibly within the next few months. I understand that Memphis City Council chief is pushing for a late December city reading to complete the approvals. I don't look for any setbacks as it would be like the city of Memphis committing suicide if they failed to make this dream come true as it would benefit and affect their own daily lives than it would the EP fan world.

[EP75]

Seriously, I'm not trying to start another argument here EP75, but I fail to see how any sort of amusement featuring Elvis would not be in good taste and degrading ...

There's nothing degrading about amusement parks. I am personally pushing our mayor Loretta Spencer to consider looking into getting a classic amusement park built here in Huntsville to boost tourism. They are for enjoyment and to entertain and they make loads of $$$$$$ and create better jobs. I think EP would be thrilled to have an amusement park or even a single ride named after him or in his honor. That is assuming one becomes a reality one day.

[Memory]

Is not good but if there are graves near.He is Mr Moneymaker like the Colonel.Let s wait

[Rover]

I guess the people who live in Memphis must be seriously tired of all of this...This is a great way to keep the memory of Elvis alive and it shows his impact on culture, but honestly I think this is too much...I mean, a theme park... :hmm:

[EDOEP]

the report EP75 quotes is more than 1.5 years old and had been discussed in forums and groups ad nauseam back then. sillerman in the meantime has obviously modified his plans reg. GL since there have not been major changes so far.

whatever disney-themepark-like tacky stuff he erects somewhere else, be it in las vegas, siberia or on the moon ... - IF he ever will (!) - who cares anyway? there are also cohorts of ETAs running around on this planet we can't do anything against ... tackyness rules, obviously.

sounds to me like another thread with much ado about nothing (or at least: very little :P).

ellie

[rocknroll]

I couldn't give a **************** what this Sillerman guy does across the street, but if he does anything to Graceland and the property, I'm coming to Memphis and Hell is coming with me.:D

[presley31]

l suppose we will have to wait and see what happens.

[EP75]

the report EP75 quotes is more than 1.5 years old and had been discussed in forums and groups ad nauseam back then. sillerman in the meantime has obviously modified his plans reg. GL since there have not been major changes so far.

whatever disney-themepark-like tacky stuff he erects somewhere else, be it in las vegas, siberia or on the moon ... - IF he ever will (!) - who cares anyway? there are also cohorts of ETAs running around on this planet we can't do anything against ... tackyness rules, obviously.

sounds to me like another thread with much ado about nothing (or at least: very little :P).

ellie

Bob Sillerman has not modified his plan. The reason nothing has happened yet is due to financial arrangements. Don't worry. Those unseen changes will be happening very soon.:D


About a theme park or amusement park. I personally feel that he will look to 3 locations for that. Memphis being the first since Graceland will be the mecca of that area. But looking at Google Earth there really isn't enough space to build one near Graceland. Las Vegas would probably be the best location due to it's flamboyant appeal and image. Orlando could be the ideal location too since Disney and Universal are both there. Now The Holyland Experience theme park is tied into the Disney world.

Although there won't be any rides at Graceland or part of the plans(according to Priscilla and Soden) but at the end of the day it will be seen as a theme park. Not all theme parks have to have thrill rides. The Holyland Experience doesn't have a single ride and it is considered as a theme park.

One more thing. The reason the plans for Graceland have been less attractive to the long time fans is because the EP world is so used to "less is best" and they (you guys) don't know how to see it through a full glass. You are all used to a half empty because of the way EPE has marketed the man's image and name. It's kind of like living in a trailer all of your life then all of a sudden your trailer is taken and you are living in your own home with new scenery and it is hard to believe and to accept. But in the long run you wouldn't go back to the way it was before. You start to question why you were upset at first. That is the feeling EP fans will have once they visit Graceland in the near future and see all the new wonderful and fun and exciting things to see and do while there. And they will go.:)

[EP75]

I guess the people who live in Memphis must be seriously tired of all of this...This is a great way to keep the memory of Elvis alive and it shows his impact on culture, but honestly I think this is too much...I mean, a theme park... :hmm:

According to the Memphis news media and the residents there, the city is much more excited than the fans are.LOL They understand the long term affect this will have on their city and their community. The blacks in Whitehaven are the most excited as it will guarantee better schools, facilities, malls, and businesses. And most importantly it will created better and much needed jobs.

Believe me, from what I am hearing about this from other forums about Memphis developments, the residents can't wait for these changes to happen. That is why the City Council leader wants a final 3 readings before the end of the year to approve the redevelopment of Whitehaven before a new city council board comes in unaware of it's potential and wants to study it further and could kill it. But that won't happen so no worries there. THIS IS A GO!!(y)

[EP75]

I couldn't give a **************** what this Sillerman guys does across the street, but if he does anything to Graceland and the property, I'm coming to Memphis and Hell is coming with me.:D

If you don't care then why did you waste the time reading this thread to post a reply?:lmfao:

[Lisarose]

True. He can't add to the house. However he does have the authority (providing Lisa agrees) to remove or change things that were not original to the home and grounds when EP lived there. Such as the trophy room which was the racquetball court. And he can add new things as long as it does not interfere with the house itself. For instance if he wanted to build a new barn or upgrade the existing one, he can do that. Or if he wanted to run a new walkway to the grave site or build a head cover over the grave area to shelter from rain, he could do that too. Anything is possible to add or build on the original grounds as long as it does not degrade or take away from the integrity of the home.


Since Graceland is a part of the National Registry, he cannot alter anything about the original structure. As it is, you drive around Graceland & it's pretty much a circus of gift shops and the like. Or it was the last time I visited in the summer of 2000. And although Lisa chooses not to make her home her permanent resident (you know, the place where you pick up your bills & store your unmentionables), it still is her HOME, if she wanted to string a laundry line to dry her clothes in the backyard, she can. After all, her grandmother raised chickens back there.

[rhythmknights]

seems to me that expanding the Graceland area would be a super-plus to Memphis. Especially the Whitehaven area, right? an amusement park? don't they already have one & didn't they sell the zippenpippen, Elvis' fav ride? I don't know if the old park still exists, but it could only help the city. I can see it all, not a disneyland kind of thing, but a Elvis/Memphis kind of thing. Featuring all the things that Elvis liked, the Memphian could be restored and showing all the films that Elvis liked - that would be a real draw for the guys, the recording studio could open up for business & Memphis could once again be a real music mecca. not to say it's pretty shabby now!

[EP75]

seems to me that expanding the Graceland area would be a super-plus to Memphis. Especially the Whitehaven area, right? an amusement park? don't they already have one & didn't they sell the zippenpippen, Elvis' fav ride? I don't know if the old park still exists, but it could only help the city. I can see it all, not a disneyland kind of thing, but a Elvis/Memphis kind of thing. Featuring all the things that Elvis liked, the Memphian could be restored and showing all the films that Elvis liked - that would be a real draw for the guys, the recording studio could open up for business & Memphis could once again be a real music mecca. not to say it's pretty shabby now!


Interesting idea. However that wouldn't work due to the fact that those places are scattered throughout a very bad crime city and it would require way too much city involvement to make it safer for tourists and the city leaders are known nationally as corrupt and incompetent to do that. But I can see a possibly new Memphian Theater (featuring state of the art screens)and Sun Studio (for visitors to cut their own demo for personal pleasures and possibly future stardom) as part of their new Entertainment complex or entertainment district.

[utmom2008]

I'm not sure yet what I think about all this. I do love the idea of the 3D surround sound theater, and the more modernized museums, but the "theme park" part kinda bothers me. I just don't want anything to cheapen Elvis and what he stood for:notworthy:king::notworthy

www.youtube.com/utmom2008

[toffe]

This is so stupid!! Why!?
Why can`t it just be the orgininal house etc, and now this stupid "disney land"!!

[EP75]

This is so stupid!! Why!?
Why can`t it just be the orgininal house etc, and now this stupid "disney land"!!

What you may think is stupid others may think is brilliant. To me what Bob Sillerman is planning is pure genius.

[Getlo]

What you may think is stupid others may think is brilliant. To me what Bob Sillerman is planning is pure genius.

Einstein was a genius.

Sillerman is a businessman.

[EDOEP]

Bob Sillerman has not modified his plan. The reason nothing has happened yet is due to financial arrangements. Don't worry. Those unseen changes will be happening very soon.:D

i will keep worrying .... since unlike you i will keep regarding a theme-park to be a rather tacky thing.

well, there's no use discussing the issue 'good taste', is there? at least the two of us will probably never reach an agreement, neither reg. this specific elvis-issue nor on any other taste-related-issue. trying to explain our different views - we could call them diametrically opposed :D - being based on and related to a classical (or should i say 'classy'?) central european / continental upbringing vs whatever your's was like would be insulting to all US-buddies who share my attitude, so let's assume the reason must be a different one.

we non-theme-park-lovers still have the chance though that this memphis board you posted about in another thread will be far too slow in making their decisions about the future of whitehaven / memphis and all the plans will be postponed for years. who knows .... maybe in the meantime a lightning strikes mr. sillerman ..... one that elvis sent from heaven above like 'zeus' used to do :P.

ellie

[toffe]

This is silly is just my opinion, i don`t know what others think about it.

But why can`t just Graceland be as it is now, why a big park around it!!?, they will destroy the original Elvis Presley boulevard, heartbreak hotel etc.

But that is my opinion about it

[EP75]

we non-theme-park-lovers still have the chance though that this memphis board you posted about in another thread will be far too slow in making their decisions about the future of whitehaven / memphis and all the plans will be postponed for years. who knows .... maybe in the meantime a lightning strikes mr. sillerman ..... one that elvis sent from heaven above like 'zeus' used to do :P.

ellie

Believe me when I say that's not going to happen. And I don't have to live in Memphis to know that. Too much money, time, effort, and power has been spent putting this all together by both private and public parties including corporate powers. There are already master drawings and blue prints, just not yet available to the public. Meaning this is A GO. There's nothing that is going to stop it now. If that were the case then all the bickering from out of country fans would have done enough to halt it already. but it's not about them. It's about the future of Graceland and the future generations that will be alive to visit and tour it and learn about him and his life that they probably never knew of before.

Bottom line is, from what all has been publicly known by the media and EPE, the plans are in place and the writing's on the wall. This WILL happen and very soon. And that was why I said don't worry, or should I say, don't hold your breath that it all falls through because it won't. Remember Graceland is and has been a business first for the past 25 years and money talks louder than what's disliked by a few.:D

[rocknroll]

If you don't care then why did you waste the time reading this thread to post a reply?:lmfao:

You must have missed my smiley face. I was actually just making fun of your STUPID obsession with this subject. It is old and tired and the majority on this board DO NOT agree with you at all. Go find a message board that is more in tune with your glee over the ruination of Elvis' legacy, his home and final resting place.

If you think people make fun of Elvis now, just wait until they turn his home and grave site into a theme park.

Not sure what you find so great about Sillerman, he is a comercial nightmare and could not care less about Elvis the man, his music or his lasting memory. All this dude is about is the almighty buck and that is IT. If you think he is in this for the best interests of Elvis, you are a delusional fool.

[EP75]

You must have missed my smiley face. I was actually just making fun of your STUPID obsession with this subject. It is old and tired and the majority on this board DO NOT agree with you at all. Go find a message board that is more in tune with your glee over the ruination of Elvis' legacy, his home and final resting place.

If you think people make fun of Elvis now, just wait until they turn his home and grave site into a theme park.

Not sure what you find so great about Sillerman, he is a comercial nightmare and could not care less about Elvis the man, his music or his lasting memory. All this dude is about is the almighty buck and that is IT. If you think he is in this for the best interests of Elvis, you are a delusional fool.

First off-do not call me a fool or my following and appreciiation of what Bob Sillerman is doing as stupid. I don't appreciate that.:angry: Second-obviously you never took the time to read neither of the links I provided where he says he wants to maintain the integrity of the mansion and the image. Obviously you don't know squat about what is being planned except just what you and a few others want to hear.

The image of EP today is tarnished because of fans believing everything the Memphis Mafia has to say. You think they aren't in it for the money? Talk about calling someone delusional.:hmm:

The plans for Graceland and that entire surrounding area will be a BLESSING for the future of the estate and the neighborhood. Apparently you and a few others can't seem to get that through your heads.(n)

Last-if nobody cared about this then why has it reached 30 replies and 2 pages in just a days' time? I think it's more interesting and popular than you want to give it credit for. Oh and you are on here replying and adding to it's bumping up. So there's no room for you to knock it if you are adding to it's popularity.:lmfao:

[rocknroll]

First off-do not call me a fool or my following and appreciiation of what Bob Sillerman is doing as stupid. I don't appreciate that.:angry: Second-obviously you never took the time to read neither of the links I provided where he says he wants to maintain the integrity of the mansion and the image. Obviously you don't know squat about what is being planned except just what you and a few others want to hear.

The image of EP today is tarnished because of fans believing everything the Memphis Mafia has to say. You think they aren't in it for the money? Talk about calling someone delusional.:hmm:

The plans for Graceland and that entire surrounding area will be a BLESSING for the future of the estate and the neighborhood. Apparently you and a few others can't seem to get that through your heads.(n)

Last-if nobody cared about this then why has it reached 30 replies and 2 pages in just a days' time? I think it's more interesting and popular than you want to give it credit for. Oh and you are on here replying and adding to it's bumping up. So there's no room for you to knock it if you are adding to it's popularity.:lmfao:

I don't care if you don't appreciate it, it's the truth.

A blessing? You are delusional. And it is more than a "few others" that don't agree with you, it is a huge MAJORITY.

The only reason there are 30 replies to this thread is because you only come on here to post controvercial CRAP that you know is not welcome, and then cry like a baby when others don't agree, It is the same MO you have followed at every board you have posted on. I don't mind bumping this to the top if it shows what a stupid idea it is that you are pushing for. It allows others to voice their opposition.

It's sickingly obvious you have no idea what Elvis and his music was all about.

[Latte]

If you think people make fun of Elvis now, just wait until they turn his home and grave site into a theme park.

Not sure what you find so great about Sillerman, he is a comercial nightmare and could not care less about Elvis the man, his music or his lasting memory. All this dude is about is the almighty buck and that is IT.

Word.
It makes me nervous how things are gonna be.
"theme park" does not sound like something Elvis would want. He hated the cardboard gift-wrapped movie image they gave him, I doubt he would like this.
He wouldn't want to be made into a joke.
I made sure i was there this summer rain or shine for this very reason.

[ricardo b. prospero]

I sincerely hope all these future plans serves the best interest of all Elvis fans and not just another disguised attempt to generate more incomes in the name of Elvis.

[jak]

I sincerely hope all these future plans serves the best interest of all Elvis fans and not just another disguised attempt to generate more incomes in the name of Elvis.

Generating income is the name of the game.Thats the entire motive behind everything.EPE doesnt care about the fans.
Jak

[Suzan]

True. He can't add to the house. However he does have the authority (providing Lisa agrees) to remove or change things that were not original to the home and grounds when EP lived there. Such as the trophy room which was the racquetball court. And he can add new things as long as it does not interfere with the house itself. For instance if he wanted to build a new barn or upgrade the existing one, he can do that. Or if he wanted to run a new walkway to the grave site or build a head cover over the grave area to shelter from rain, he could do that too. Anything is possible to add or build on the original grounds as long as it does not degrade or take away from the integrity of the home. He can also build amusement and theme parks using EP's name and likeness as long as it's in good taste and not degrading. All of this is in the official contract. I am banned from FECC and can't read it anymore (for reasons unexplainable and unfare) and I saw it posted over there back in May or June of this year. So if you or anyone feels like searching their database for it then do so and you will find it. It was part of the current deal made with Simon Fuller.

I'm sorry but no he can't, w/historical bldgs. you cannot take or add to them. Check w/the society they'll tell you the same thing.
The trophy bldg. WAS added by Elvis so that argument is mute.
Lisa will NOT agree to this. Again for same reason's he cannot touch the grounds.
Please stop ingiting false fires...and until a visual of Sillerman's plans is avail. posting Walt Disney plans is done purely to ignite the fans.
Moderators please put a stop to this.

[presley31]

l have mixed feelings about this whole idea.

[Suzan]

I don't care if you don't appreciate it, it's the truth.

A blessing? You are delusional. And it is more than a "few others" that don't agree with you, it is a huge MAJORITY.

The only reason there are 30 replies to this thread is because you only come on here to post controvercial CRAP that you know is not welcome, and then cry like a baby when others don't agree, It is the same MO you have followed at every board you have posted on. I don't mind bumping this to the top if it shows what a stupid idea it is that you are pushing for. It allows others to voice their opposition.

It's sickingly obvious you have no idea what Elvis and his music was all about.

Amen and where is his/her "friend"? One stopped the other started, amazing.
MODERATORS PLEASE PLEASE put a stop to this.

[EP75]

I'm sorry but no he can't, w/historical bldgs. you cannot take or add to them. Check w/the society they'll tell you the same thing.
The trophy bldg. WAS added by Elvis so that argument is mute.
Lisa will NOT agree to this. Again for same reason's he cannot touch the grounds.
Please stop ingiting false fires...and until a visual of Sillerman's plans is avail. posting Walt Disney plans is done purely to ignite the fans.
Moderators please put a stop to this.


I'm not the one who said this. It was EPE. They have publicly stated that they plan to return the racquetball court back to it's originality and take out the museum aspect of the home and restore it back to the way it looked when EP lived there. Maybe you should check with your direct source since you claim that it's EPE them self to verify all this. LMAO Besides if you weren't so busy trying to jump down my throat about this and act as if YOU are in the know, then you might have seen that Bob Sillerman mentions this in the article I posted the link to.

Here it is in BOLD for you to see for yourself and the link.

"Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died."

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

[toffe]

l have mixed feelings about this whole idea.

Me too! :hmm:

[toffe]

"Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died."

That sentence changed my mind :hmm:

[Suzan]

I'm not the one who said this. It was EPE. They have publicly stated that they plan to return the racquetball court back to it's originality and take out the museum aspect of the home and restore it back to the way it looked when EP lived there. Maybe you should check with your direct source since you claim that it's EPE them self to verify all this. LMAO Besides if you weren't so busy trying to jump down my throat about this and act as if YOU are in the know, then you might have seen that Bob Sillerman mentions this in the article I posted the link to.

Here it is in BOLD for you to see for yourself and the link.

"Sillerman said he will preserve the house at Graceland, and he wants to restore the mansion to the way it looked the year Elvis died."

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

That is not how you worded it dear...look at your post.:D
I'm not claiming anything, unlike you...And your the one who thinks they are in the know. Check w/the society, that's public info honey, you CANNOT alter a historical building. If he plans to move the exhibits out of the trophy bldg. so what? That does not constitute you calling it "Disney theme park" or whatever moniker you have attached to this.:D
And like someone said, don't go crying if the majority does not agree with you when you know from all your other posts, yes all of them, you've posted things to ignite.

[Tommy]

Why is Sillerman getting involved with Graceland since he does not own it?

[Suzan]

Why is Sillerman getting involved with Graceland since he does not own it?


Thank you Tommy! :D:notworthy:hug:

I think these posts are meant to start fights and this individual wants to look like they are in the know, just my opinion but that is what is coming across in these posts.:( Tommy please please do something.

Look at the title of the thread.:(

[EP75]

Amen and where is his/her "friend"? One stopped the other started, amazing.
MODERATORS PLEASE PLEASE put a stop to this.

How many times has the moderators here asked posters to STAY ON TOPIC? This reply has absolutely nothing to do with TOPI. However since you started it I will finish it.

Since I know you are trying to once again point me and Lakeisha as being "the same", I will have you to know that she has specifically made it clear that she does not post much at all on the EP forums anymore due to her lack of respect from others. And I don't blame here at all. In fact have you not noticed the lack of black EP fans on the EP message boards? Maybe there is a reason for her feeling rejected and not accepted. And for you comments about one stopped and the other started. that is so far from the truth. You only come on here to stir up trouble. While me, I come here to post intelligent topics like figuring out ways for live material to be released. But instead of replying to those threads which are to better the musical aspect of EP's legacy to the general public, I get thrashed for supporting the Graceland expansion plans. I do to better and you and a few others to do worsen.:mad:

One other thing. You might have ran her off. But you nor anyone else will run me off.:D

[EP75]

Why is Sillerman getting involved with Graceland since he does not own it?

Bob Sillerman owns 85% of Elvis Presley Enterprises which includes all of the property surrounding Graceland. He also owns 100% of the naming rights to EP and his likeness for marketing.

And no Tommy, Susan is wrong. I don't come here to start trouble. Just look at hers and Rock And Rolls responses if you want to see who is trying to instigate here. Thank you.:D

And yes, PLEASE PLEASE do something about those instigating fights.:D

[Tommy]

Please stop with the personal discussions, stay on topic.

[presley31]

I will say that l did read this awhile ago in the collectors gold news.I really didn't know what to think about it.

[Suzan]

LOLROF typical.

Thank you Tommy!:D

[cameron]

I have read about this in Memphis newspapers. It wll be up to the city if any of this happens.
IMO, it would/should be done to clean up the area around Graceland.
I was there about 3 years ago. It is an area where many are afraid to venture out at night...with good reason.

As to Graceland ; Sillerman nor the city can do anything without Lisa's permission. Now, also the Historical Society.

To clean up the area ,to me , would be great ! To make it a Disney.land type of thing is what people are not liking IMO Neither do I .

Keep the immediate area around Graceland "as is." Renovations could and should be done to Graceland ,IMO. "
The house was in total dis-repair when I was there. I couldn't help wondering why . It would seem as much money that was taken in before Sillerman [/B Lisa or Cilla should have at least have done that.

Put the [B]Amusement Park down the road ,if that's what some want .
BTW: I think the pictures freaked everyone out .;)Plus talk of 30 foot tall buildings. Not needed or wanted across from Graceland or in a residentual area. IMO.

[Getlo]

The house was in total dis-repair

Really?

Total disrepair? The mansion itself?

Hmmmmm ....

[EDOEP]

Believe me when I say that's not going to happen. And I don't have to live in Memphis to know that. Too much money, time, effort, and power has been spent putting this all together by both private and public parties including corporate powers. There are already master drawings and blue prints, just not yet available to the public. Meaning this is A GO. There's nothing that is going to stop it now. If that were the case then all the bickering from out of country fans would have done enough to halt it already. but it's not about them. It's about the future of Graceland and the future generations that will be alive to visit and tour it and learn about him and his life that they probably never knew of before.

Bottom line is, from what all has been publicly known by the media and EPE, the plans are in place and the writing's on the wall. This WILL happen and very soon. And that was why I said don't worry, or should I say, don't hold your breath that it all falls through because it won't. Remember Graceland is and has been a business first for the past 25 years and money talks louder than what's disliked by a few.:D

i am well aware that business has been number one priority of EPE since decades and certainly is and will remain mr. sillerman's priority number 1.

if .... IF! ..... indeed these 'plans' you're speaking about will be realised i doubt it's going to be a huge business and a blessing to everybody.

you can bet your granny's life that it will appall many fans and those will refuse to add their share to EPE's and sillerman's income - by strictly boycotting that trash by either stopping to visit GL or at least by boycotting the theme park.

i guess you underestimate the number of fans that are highly disgusted by that kitsch .... look at that rubbish like the 'rubber duck' and the 'talking head'. i don't know one single fan who finds it decent and not one single fan who buys it. OK, maybe that's due to the fact that the elvisfans I know are different from those YOU know .... :D - and i do know already some fans here in europe who did not go to the EW 2007 because they found the prices inacceptable. it's not that they CANNOT pay them - they don't WANT to pay them because they are disproportionate.

well, guess i'll leave the discussion here ... i'll simply wait and see a couple of years :D. apart from that, city development plans and GL's surrounding areas are not a major point of interest in my life (like they are in yours, that's the impression one gets from your postings) .... there are way more interesting ones, be it regarding elvis and / or 'real life'.

ellie

[cameron]

Really?

Total disrepair? The mansion itself?

Hmmmmm ....
Yes, it is. Wall papers, etc. inside, the foundation etc.

It should and could be repaired IMO.
The employees that were there say the same. It's a shame.
Nothing lasts forever without some TLC.

[Suzan]

I'm curious as to how visitor's would know about what shape the foundation is in? My husband has a construction company, it's not something that is visible to the naked eye.
I've also had many many friends visit in last couple of years and none have said that the home is in disrepair. Interesting.

[cameron]

I'm curious as to how visitor's would know about what shape the foundation is in? My husband has a construction company, it's not something that is visible to the naked eye.
I've also had many many friends visit in last couple of years and none have said that the home is in disrepair. Interesting.

When you touch something and pieces fall off in your hands ..it needs repaired, IMO. That's what I did.
When in doubt, people should go see for themselves.

[Getlo]

Yes, it is. Wall papers, etc.

That hardly falls into the category of "total disrepair" then ...

I've been several times over the past few years, and saw no evidence of this. The house is immaculate and has been since 1982.

And unless you dug underneath, the foundations cannot be seen from above.

[Suzan]

As far as I am aware, you are not allowed to "touch" anything....and that hardly constitutes "foundation" damage....hmmmm
I have been, I did not see any such evidence nor have any of my friends who have been there on numerous occasions.
I agree Getlo.:D

[Tommy]

Time will tell when all is said and done, and the project has been completed.

[Suzan]

Time will tell when all is said and done, and the project has been completed.

True that, Tommy.:D

[EP75]

i am well aware that business has been number one priority of EPE since decades and certainly is and will remain mr. sillerman's priority number 1.

if .... IF! ..... indeed these 'plans' you're speaking about will be realised i doubt it's going to be a huge business and a blessing to everybody.

you can bet your granny's life that it will appall many fans and those will refuse to add their share to EPE's and sillerman's income - by strictly boycotting that trash by either stopping to visit GL or at least by boycotting the theme park.

i guess you underestimate the number of fans that are highly disgusted by that kitsch .... look at that rubbish like the 'rubber duck' and the 'talking head'. i don't know one single fan who finds it decent and not one single fan who buys it. OK, maybe that's due to the fact that the elvisfans I know are different from those YOU know .... :D - and i do know already some fans here in europe who did not go to the EW 2007 because they found the prices inacceptable. it's not that they CANNOT pay them - they don't WANT to pay them because they are disproportionate.

well, guess i'll leave the discussion here ... i'll simply wait and see a couple of years :D. apart from that, city development plans and GL's surrounding areas are not a major point of interest in my life (like they are in yours, that's the impression one gets from your postings) .... there are way more interesting ones, be it regarding elvis and / or 'real life'.

ellie

I understand what you are saying. Believe me I do. But I also have to question that IF there are more fans against it then why is there not a petition to stop it as there was one to try to stop the ETA show for the 30th? I'm not discrediting you. I am simply asking why no petition? That's all.

I don't know if you are aware but one of the larger EP fanclub's (if not the biggest in America that I know of) president Jason Edge has made it clear he too is anxious and excited about the soon to be "New Graceland Experience". I don't see him blasting EPE or FXS as some others are.

And something to add. This past week there was a small snippet in the online edition of the Memphis Commercial Appeal about the city's mayor making the plans for Graceland as one of his top priorities for financial economical and city improvements over the next 4 years before he retires from office. The leader of the city council is also so behind these plans that he is making sure that a late 3-readings meeting takes place in December before a new city council is seated in January. Once those readings are done, then Bob Sillerman can officially get the rezoning of the area around Graceland transformed from a residential district to commercial. Meaning homes and poor businesses in that vicinity can be taken by the city under state laws if the land they sit on is needed by a public business for economic growth. That is also called Eminent Domain. The plans for Graceland and that entire part of town (approximately 3.4 miles from E.Brooks Road to E. Shelby Drive) would qualify for that.

Bob Sillerman has reportedly bought up many homes in the Graceland area already since the last big national story broke about his master plans on August 1, 2007. This coming AFTER EPE denied any plans for purchasing residential homes in the area. Lakeisha told me this could happen and I placed it under "rumors" on my blog spot and now it has been confirmed by Memphis news media that this is taking place. How many homes he buys remains to be seen. But my guess is it will be a lot considering he has an unlimited amount of money to spend. After all he is a billionaire.:D

[Suzan]

Ok lets clarify EPE and Graceland are 2 different entities, what is being discussed is EPE and the EXHIBITS NOT Graceland itself, or it's grounds, other then possibly moving the exhibits now on display in the "trophy" room and raquetball bldg. to a new location. And even w/the trophy room, that is where Elvis stored his awards and those I believe will remain there, I have photos prior to Graceland opening, showing the trophy room in it's original state and those awards were in there, Elvis long ago having abandoned the racecar track and storage that it was used for prior.
Once again I say and verify w/the historical society, Graceland CANNOT be touched under the rules of having been named a designated historical landmark, nor would Lisa who OWNS the home allow such things to happen, she has stated this on numerous numerous occasions.

As for petitions, well really how much would fans that don't live in the Memphis area, really carry a clout? Furthermore, quite different the tribute artists and this grand scheme.

[Suzan]

Also if your able and this is truly a discussion about what the future plans of EPE and it's exhibits are (and yes Sillerman referred to his plans as such) then why is the thread entitled as it is? Please change it if your able to.

[MissyM]

Resoration back to original is a wonderful idea.

[Suzan]

If restoration back to original then how far? Are they going to redo it as it was when Elvis purchased it and he and Gladys decorated it, or are they going to restore it to it's 'red' phase as it was @ the time of his death? I just don't see it happening, it will stay the way it is right now, other then certain exhibits being moved.

[EP75]

Also if your able and this is truly a discussion about what the future plans of EPE and it's exhibits are (and yes Sillerman referred to his plans as such) then why is the thread entitled as it is? Please change it if your able to.

The title of the thread is a direct quote from Bob Sillerman. That was my whole point of this entire thread in the first place. Not to rehash the past. But to point something out that I found interesting.

[cameron]

Also if your able and this is truly a discussion about what the future plans of EPE and it's exhibits are (and yes Sillerman referred to his plans as such) then why is the thread entitled as it is? Please change it if your able to.

I must say, I wondered about that . It's what finally brought me to this thread. I've read what EPE {Sillerman's} plans are. I'm just watching to see how he manages it. EPE and Graceland are two seperate identities .

[cameron]

If restoration back to original then how far? Are they going to redo it as it was when Elvis purchased it and he and Gladys decorated it, or are they going to restore it to it's 'red' phase as it was @ the time of his death? I just don't see it happening, it will stay the way it is right now, other then certain exhibits being moved.

As we all know ; Cilla changed much of the house before she opened it.
If restored; IMO ,it should be taken back to how it was 8/16/77.
If it's not. what's the point?

[EP75]

If restoration back to original then how far? Are they going to redo it as it was when Elvis purchased it and he and Gladys decorated it, or are they going to restore it to it's 'red' phase as it was @ the time of his death? I just don't see it happening, it will stay the way it is right now, other then certain exhibits being moved.

What you and a lot others are not understanding here is that just because Graceland is now officially considered a National Historical Landmark does not mean it cannot be altered or changed BACK to its original form. Graceland was heavily revamped in 1982 when it first opened to the public from a living home to a walk-through museum. Lisa herself has commented on this and said it is UNLIVABLE now.

Bob Sillerman wants to restore the HOME back to its originality. That means removing the now displays of EP artifacts that were NOT at the home originally. Taking out the 200+ gold and platinum award display and jumpsuits in the Trophy room and restoring it back to the racquetball court. And yes maybe even changing the interior BACK to its original red and white color scheme as it was on August 16, 1977. That was his direct quote so obviously that is his plans.

I don't get all of this talk though about amusement parks and so on. Never has he said there will be rides or will it become an amusement park or anything tacky. In fact his direct quote was that IT WILL NOT become an amusement park but more of a historical tourist attraction like Disney and Universal are. Meaning it has legendary status and longevity to thrive for generations to come but only by upgrading and improving it can that happen.

[EP75]

As we all know ; Cilla changed much of the house before she opened it.
If restored; IMO ,it should be taken back to how it was 8/16/77.
If it's not. what's the point?

BINGO!!!!! We have a winner!!(y)

[rocknroll]

I understand what you are saying. Believe me I do. But I also have to question that IF there are more fans against it then why is there not a petition to stop it as there was one to try to stop the ETA show for the 30th? I'm not discrediting you. I am simply asking why no petition? That's all.:D

Why petition against something that is not official but just on someone's wish list?

Like I said, I couldn't care less what they do across or down the street (as long as it is not too gaudy as EP75 has posted), but Sillerman CAN NOT touch Graceland or the grounds as it is not his to touch. Let's please stop discussing this subject as if Sillerman has anything to do with Graceland and the property.

[rocknroll]

I have read about this in Memphis newspapers. It wll be up to the city if any of this happens.
IMO, it would/should be done to clean up the area around Graceland.
I was there about 3 years ago. It is an area where many are afraid to venture out at night...with good reason.

As to Graceland ; Sillerman nor the city can do anything without Lisa's permission. Now, also the Historical Society.

To clean up the area ,to me , would be great ! To make it a Disney.land type of thing is what people are not liking IMO Neither do I .

Keep the immediate area around Graceland "as is." Renovations could and should be done to Graceland ,IMO. "
The house was in total dis-repair when I was there. I couldn't help wondering why . It would seem as much money that was taken in before Sillerman [/B Lisa or Cilla should have at least have done that.

Put the [B]Amusement Park down the road ,if that's what some want .
BTW: I think the pictures freaked everyone out .;)Plus talk of 30 foot tall buildings. Not needed or wanted across from Graceland or in a residentual area. IMO.

I was just there two weeks ago and thought the house looked just fine. Of course, I didn't touch anything.:)

[EP75]

Why petition against something that is not official but just on someone's wish list?

Like I said, I couldn't care less what they do across or down the street (as long as it is not too gaudy as EP75 has posted), but Sillerman CAN NOT touch Graceland or the grounds as it is not his to touch. Let's please stop discussing this subject as if Sillerman has anything to do with Graceland and the property.

Please show proof where this project is just some whishful thinking? Please. I can't wait to see what you come up with. Maybe you should tell that to EPE and see what they have to say. Or better yet email the mayor of Memphis. I'm sure he will differ with you.

"Someone's wish list">>>>>:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao:

[EP75]

I was just there two weeks ago and thought the house looked just fine. Of course, I didn't touch anything.:)

Why do I find this hard to believe?:hmm:

[cameron]

I was just there two weeks ago and thought the house looked just fine. Of course, I didn't touch anything.:)

It's part of my "make up".;) If I can touch and see, it becomes more real to me.
Some tour guide came running back to ask me what I was looking for.
In keeping with my strange sense of humor, I said: "Elvis, of course, have you seen him?" We both had a laugh..

IMO, people take some of this stuff too seriously. They miss the fun of Elvis.

[utmom2008]

I'm sorry but no he can't, w/historical bldgs. you cannot take or add to them. Check w/the society they'll tell you the same thing.
The trophy bldg. WAS added by Elvis so that argument is mute.
Lisa will NOT agree to this. Again for same reason's he cannot touch the grounds.
Please stop ingiting false fires...and until a visual of Sillerman's plans is avail. posting Walt Disney plans is done purely to ignite the fans.
Moderators please put a stop to this.
Very well said Suzan. I don't even like the idea of putting some sort of top over the graves....leave Graceland alone--PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EP75]

Very well said Suzan. I don't even like the idea of putting some sort of top over the graves....leave Graceland alone--PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you would rather stand out in the rain while trying to pay your respects at the grave instead of visiting it without getting wet? Smart.

[EDOEP]

Why petition against something that is not official but just on someone's wish list?

rocknroll,

EP75 is right laughing her behind off at your term 'wishlist'. the proper term you should have chosen is 'hallucination'.

:hug:, ellie

[presley31]

Why hasn't lisa said this isn't true, surely she has heard about it

[EP75]

rocknroll,

EP75 is right laughing her behind off at your term 'wishlist'. the proper term you should have chosen is 'hallucination'.

:hug:, ellie
I'm not a 'her" for one thing. Second of all there is no hallucination going on. I take it they don't show American news in the UK or you would know what all has been reported. Including Lisa Marie and Priscilla talking of the changes. Maybe it is YOU and a few others hallucinating.:lmfao:

[EP75]

Why hasn't lisa said this isn't true, surely she has heard about it

Exactly. She is 100% behind it. She's said so herself on numerous television appearances in the past year.

[rocknroll]

Why do I find this hard to believe?:hmm:

I was there on October 12, just before my birthday. I'll be there again on November 12. Are you jealeous? Maybe you should come by and meet me.(y)

Also, I would love to post a link or something to prove me wrong about this just being your wish list and not a rumor, but, amazingly, I can not find ANYTHING that says "Graceland is being made over and so is the surrounding area and these are the dates it is going to happen". That's what I'm looking for, something solid like that and you have yet to post anything more than "Sillerman says it is in the works, and here is what I think it is going to be".

Lastly, you keep saying there is not going to be a theme park and no rides, etc. Why do I get the idea that dissapoints you? Regardless, if the pictures you posted are even 1/10th of what this turns out to be, I and 90% of the TRUE Elvis fans will be against it.

Again, you are clueless as to what Elvis and his music was really all about.

[Miss Clawdy]

So you would rather stand out in the rain while trying to pay your respects at the grave instead of visiting it without getting wet? Smart.

Without question, Yes I would (y)

[EP75]

I was there on October 12, just before my birthday. I'll be there again on November 12. Are you jealeous? Maybe you should come by and meet me.(y)

Also, I would love to post a link or something to prove me wrong about this just being your wish list and not a rumor, but, amazingly, I can not find ANYTHING that says "Graceland is being made over and so is the surrounding area and these are the dates it is going to happen". That's what I'm looking for, something solid like that and you have yet to post anything more than "Sillerman says it is in the works, and here is what I think it is going to be".

Lastly, you keep saying there is not going to be a theme park and no rides, etc. Why do I get the idea that dissapoints you? Regardless, if the pictures you posted are even 1/10th of what this turns out to be, I and 90% of the TRUE Elvis fans will be against it.

Again, you are clueless as to what Elvis and his music was really all about.

Maybe this will shut you up. Strictly from the horses (EPE's) mouth.:lol: Oh and the city and state already passed those new laws and the funds have been approved that is mentioned so yea I think it's as good as it gets as to being OFFICIAL.:D READ IT AND WEAP.

More on the Exciting Future of Graceland and EPE 6/4/2007
Following is a copy of an article from The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis. If you are a registered user of the Commerical Appeal site, this link should take you directly to their posting of the article.

Graceland kingdom expansion hinges on public funds

By David Williams
June 2, 2007

Elvis Presley's Graceland kingdom would be totally transformed -- the king's mansion aside -- in a $250 million improvement plan led by CKX Inc. chief executive Robert F.X. Sillerman.

There would be a new boutique convention hotel, a potential second hotel, a new visitors center, new attractions and new shops within five years -- provided local and state governments commit to an unidentified amount of funding, as Sillerman hopes will happen within the month.

"I think they recognize that we're blessed with an attraction like Graceland. There's really nothing like it in the world," Sillerman said Friday, after it was announced that publicly traded CKX is being taken private in a buyout he's leading.
"With the kind of investment we're prepared to make, in partnership with the jurisdictions, we really could have a significant impact on the entire region.

"They recognize it and we're thrilled about it."

Shelby County Mayor A C Wharton also expressed optimism about the project, without specifically addressing the funding issue.

"This significant private investment will have a positive impact on the community as a whole, but it also dovetails into our existing efforts to further enhance the vitality of the Whitehaven community," Wharton said in a statement. "The company's commitment will facilitate our efforts to attract additional businesses and biomedical companies to the corridor and assist in the development of our aerotropolis strategy.

"We look forward to working with the company, other local officials and the people of the Whitehaven community to bring this plan to fruition."

On the city side, chief financial officer Robert Lipscomb referred questions about public funding to Mayor Willie Herenton. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

There have been ongoing talks between EPE and public officials, including a March meeting attended by Sillerman, Wharton, Herenton, Lipscomb, members of the Memphis Regional Chamber and Priscilla Presley.

Also, the City Council asked the Herenton administration to develop a plan for a Center City Commission-like board to oversee the redevelopment of the area, which includes Memphis International Airport and Brooks Road.

Although plagued by decay, the area also is home to three of the city's key industries -- distribution and logistics, medical device manufacturing and tourism and entertainment.

"We need a lot of help from the community," said Jack Soden, Elvis Presley Enterprises CEO. "It wouldn't work to think in terms of this 100-acre campus and pouring a tremendous investment in here and just hoping things work out OK for Elvis Presley Boulevard and Whitehaven.

"It all has to be integrated -- the Brooks Road initiative, Elvis Presley Boulevard, the whole community. We want to be the catalyst for just a huge rebirth, redevelopment of the whole Whitehaven area."

Sillerman, asked if government funding is essential to his plan, said, "That's exactly right."

Sillerman paid $100 million for an 85-percent stake in EPE in a deal announced in December 2004. He vowed to transform what had been run as a "family business," using a "risk-oriented and expansive approach."

During a February 2006 visit to Memphis, Sillerman talked of doubling Graceland's total of 600,000 annual visitors and said the late King of Rock and Roll's home should "take its logical place as one of the great attractions in America, like Disneyland or Universal theme parks."

Toward that goal, EPE and affiliated companies have been gobbling up real estate, and now own or control more than 100 acres around the mansion.

The companies have spent more than $13 million on property since January 2006, including a 182-unit apartment complex and former car dealership.

Friday's announcement that CKX -- which also owns rights to the Muhammad Ali name and the "American Idol" TV show -- is going private could speed up the Memphis project.

That's because while CKX goes private, an affiliated company, FX Luxury Realty LLC, would pursue the Elvis-related real estate projects around Graceland -- as well a hotel and casino development in Las Vegas.

"It was frankly too big a project for a company like CKX," said Sillerman, who built billion-dollar entertainment empires with radio stations and concert promotions. "What we have created is an opportunity for the real estate development company to do that. Assuming we have appropriate cooperation from the city, county and state, this actually should speed up the regeneration, if you will, of the area surrounding Graceland."

Copyright 2007, The Commercial Appeal, Memphis, TN. All rights reserved. Used with permission. www.commercialappeal.com

[Suzan]

Lisa NEVER EVER said any such thing...so please post where she said that EP75, c'mon post it. Otherwise leave what she "supposedly" said out, k?
And yes honey check w/the Historical assoc. you CANNOT change ANYTHING to a historical place.
We are all very very well aware Pris changed it prior to it's opening, however, this is how it's been designated a landmark, therefore, cannot change it.
And yes I would rather stand in the pouring rain @ his grave then have something that was fabricated decades later in it's place.
rocknroll I agree 1000000000000% in all you've said.
I will no longer post to this person(s) delusions and fabrications, unless he/she posts ACTUAL facts w/interviews from the supposed statements made by Sillerman.
Furhtermore, this title of the thread is ludicrous when he/she is going back on what they've said, Sillerman DID NOT say that there would be no tours at Graceland, he said "changes" and if the artificats now on display (not all of the gold records, I will post a pic of Trophy room prior to the changes elvis in fact did have his gold records there in cases and on the walls) but things that came after Aug. 16th moved, so what? I don't care, but to say he can change Graceland itself, well this person obviously does not know what they are talking about, plain and simple.
This is def. not a fan by any means judging from the posts, I think he/she is confused and thinks this is a Sillerman fan site.

[EP75]

Susan, stop while you are ahead. I have no idea what you are even babbling about this time. And I told you earlier in a PM to stop trying to call me a she. You want proof of who I am, here it is babe. Now tuck your tale between your legs and move along with the egg running down your face.

http://a639.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/13/m_ab8e79ea17fa73fd243fda85f2bc5f76.jpg

Sorry moderators, I had to put an end to this once and for all.

[Suzan]

So where is this evidence where Lisa said this? You don't have it so you resort to personal attack, typical! Your not the moderator so lets leave any stopage of anything to them k.;) I said he/she as I don't know the gender of some on here.:D
I KNOW EXACTLY what I am speaking of, it is you who is confused...and in order to deflect from that you resort to your old trait of personal attack.

BTW here is what Lisa had to REALLY say. :D

Lisa Marie Remembers Elvis
Posted Aug 16th 2007 9:00PM by Beville Darden
Filed under: Spinner Interview

She's the daughter of music's biggest icon, a singer-songwriter in her own right, a mother of two and the head of one of the world's biggest tourist attractions. Lisa Marie Presley is also very outspoken. On the week of the 30th anniversary of Elvis Presley's death -- which she commemorated by filming a duet of 'In the Ghetto' -- she shared with Spinner her candid opinions on the commercialization of his music, her distaste for young Hollywood and why she doesn't need fans to remind her how wonderful her dad was.

Tell us about the making of the 'In the Ghetto' video.

I wanted to use this anniversary for something really good. So first I picked the song. David Foster produced it. I called him last minute and he had four hours to lay a track down of mine on the original version -- and that turned out really good. And when it came to the video, I wanted Tony Kaye ('American History X') to direct. He's controversial; he's cool. He was in New Orleans filming a movie, and he had just a few hours. So I flew to New Orleans.

And this video is not only for the 30th anniversary, it's also for a good cause.

All of this -- the song, the video -- is going to charity. The money from the downloads is going to help build another Presley Place in New Orleans, which is a transitional housing program that we started in Memphis. Families come in and live there, get their life skills and get it together. They get jobs ... and then about a year later, they move out when they can get back on their feet. This program has been doing incredibly well for the past few years, so I wanted to branch it out. It's something [Elvis] was very interested in, because it's kinda where he started from. And Presley Place is near where he was raised. I wanted to do this [video] and use it for something good. All fingers pointed towards New Orleans. I landed there to do the video and I looked around when I got off the plane, and it looks like Katrina happened six months ago. That's when it all fell together. And all proceeds -- not a portion of -- all proceeds are going towards building a transitional housing building in New Orleans.

Did you find filming the video to be an emotional experience, being that you're singing with your dad in a setting that's still suffering the effects of Katrina?

The next morning, I heard the rough [recording], and just lost it when I heard it. And I've never cried when I've done anything -- ever. So I know it's good. It's pretty organic. There are no bells and whistles -- they just added me into the original recording.

What personality traits do you think you inherited from your dad versus those from your mom [Priscilla]?

Both are really strong. Humor from him, without question. Common sense and strength comes from her. I'm not saying that he didn't have any -- I'm just saying that she thinks everything through.

What did your dad teach you about being a parent?

He was on the road all the time, so I don't know! But I had unconditional love.

Describe a typical day at Graceland when you would visit as a child.

I got on his schedule. He was nocturnal, so I'd sleep all day and be up all night. And sometimes I'd wake up way before he would, and it was just mayhem with me and my friends. We were pretty unsupervised -- running pretty wild, riding golf carts -- just crazy kid stuff.

What song of your dad's do you listen to when you need a good cry?

There isn't a specific one. If it's one of those evenings when I'm with a bunch of people and we're sitting around drinking and turn [his music] on, there's a possibility that I'll lose it. I can't name which particular song would do that, and it certainly doesn't happen very often. I tend to listen to more of the '70s material, because that was what I was around for.

I read that a CNN poll in the last few years reported that 45 percent of Americans today consider themselves Elvis fans. And thousands of people flock to Memphis every August to pay tribute -- even after 30 years. Do you ever get overwhelmed by your dad's popularity?

I don't get overwhelmed. I get concerned because our priorities today are so screwed up, and we don't really nurture culture or tradition in our country. I don't want people to forget the fact that he started this whole thing, and that it was not this way . It's important that people know. I know that the parents are fans -- what does our youth think? I don't know if they think Madonna started music or Jay-Z . Where did it come from? Who started all this? Where did it begin? That concerns me.

The celebrity world then versus the celebrity world now is certainly very different. And you've been pretty vocal about your distaste for this new world of reality television and tabloid-fueled Hollywood. What bugs you the most about celebrity culture today?

Morals. Our young girls are looking up to things that are really bad for them to be looking up to. And we glorify bad behavior in the press. When I was growing up, you would hide that for dear life. Whatever you were going through, you would avoid the media. You didn't want them to see your mistakes. You wouldn't advertise it and have all the paparazzi and major Internet servers on your speed dial. I avoid it at all costs, and I still do. Now, it's just a free for all. I'm concerned for our youth, because we glorify it and give it so much attention. Our young girls are going to be getting DUI's and have drug problems, bulimia, anorexia and show body parts to become famous.

Now that your own daughter [18-year-old Riley Keogh] has started modeling and is becoming a celebrity herself, what are you doing to keep her grounded and out of trouble?

I don't have to do a lot. She sees it for what it is. I'm very lucky in that she's very level-headed. She's deep. And she hates all that stuff, as well. She's got a good B.S. detector. She's never been that kind of dumb girly-girl. I don't worry about her.

How do you feel when you see some of your dad's songs commercialized -- like the current 'Viva Viagra' commercial?

I find that revolting. Some songs we have no control over. I know we didn't license that one.

Being that your ex-husband Michael Jackson owns the rights to a lot of the Elvis Presley catalog, do you ever have the inclination to call him up and ask him to stop the commercialization of these songs?

I don't know if he owns that one [laughs]. But have I thought about it? Yeah. I get mad all the time. If I see something wacked out, I'll definitely yell and say, 'What the hell is that?' or 'Get rid of this!'

Can we expect a new album from you anytime soon?

Yes. I'm definitely going to do it. I just have to figure out the right way. I'm on a clean slate right now; I just got off my label, so I'm figuring out my next route.

Who are some other female rockers today that you admire?

Today? That's tough. There are no female rockers anymore! I can tell you all the ones who've inspired me in my lifetime but not today. I don't think there's a place for rock females.

With the exception of the video you're doing this week, you've been reluctant to cover any of your dad's tunes, choosing instead to make a name for yourself as an artist on your own and writing your own songs. Do you ever see yourself covering an Elvis song on a future album?

I could've done this ages ago. I always find it necessary to make my own path and not ride on his coattails, which I have not done. And the only reason I was OK with doing this [video] is because I've already done a couple of records. People already know who I am on my own. I'm not doing this in a self-centered way. I'm doing this for a bigger cause. The answer is, most likely, no.

In regard to your own career, how does your last name help you and how does it hurt you?

Any name will help you get in the door, but it doesn't mean you're going to stay in the house. Right now, I'm so baffled at how anybody can be famous for anything. I don't try to use it. I've never tried to use it. I know people are into branding themselves, and that's all a new thing and that's fine. It used to be that the name would help you, and if you had talent, you'd go far. And if you didn't, you wouldn't. Nowadays, you can go far with nothing. I don't quite understand that.

[B]What are some of the biggest challenges of owning and running Graceland?

Graceland itself is mine. Eighty-five percent of the company was sold a couple of years ago, and the money that was paid for that went back into the company that we formed. It's a very complicated ordeal. Basically, all the money went into stock and into doing bigger things with the estate -- with the licensing, marketing and stuff like that. My mom is on the board and everybody works together. 'American Idol' is involved. There's a misconception that I sold the company, which is ridiculous. The money went back into the company, actually -- into the new, bigger company. The whole thing is a very intense running machine.

Do you see it staying in the family?

Yeah, everyone who was there before is still there. My mom is very present on the day-to-day stuff. Everything is working pretty well.
Since his passing, is there anything that you've learned from fans about your dad? I can imagine you are constantly approached by people who tell you how much your dad meant to them.

That's definitely true, but I already knew. I know what he was without having them tell me.

Would you like a tissue for that egg? :D

[Suzan]

Please post the interview where Sillerman states that "Graceland will no longer be a house tour" I've found a lot of interviews w/him regarding Graceland and such I just can't seem to find that one. Thanks.:)

[King_Creole]

Susan, stop while you are ahead. I have no idea what you are even babbling about this time. And I told you earlier in a PM to stop trying to call me a she. You want proof of who I am, here it is babe. Now tuck your tale between your legs and move along with the egg running down your face.

http://a639.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/13/m_ab8e79ea17fa73fd243fda85f2bc5f76.jpg

Sorry moderators, I had to put an end to this once and for all.

So ...

That's what u look like EP75 ???

Ralph Malph ... :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

I knew it all along ... :clap:

OH, and poor Anna is cross eyed ? No wonder y she picked ya ... :)

[Suzan]

;) Hi King Creaole! :D :hug:

[EP75]

Then why did you just start a whole new thread about the same thing you just posted above? But since you asked, here is something I found where Lisa talks of being unhappy with the way Garceland was before she sold the rights.

As a business, though, Elvis has been stagnating. Revenues at the company that manages his affairs, Elvis Presley Enterprises, have been flat at $40 million for five years. A costly restaurant venture in Memphis went bust. There is little profit to invest in potentially lucrative assets like the Heartbreak Hotel, across the street from Graceland. Elvis's 37-year-old daughter and heir, Lisa Marie, has been unhappy that the business has been going nowhere: "We were doing good, but you can't stay the same," she says. "You either have to grow or go down."

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/12/12/8363137/index.htm

[Suzan]

I can start any thread I so choose, just like anyone else here w/o owing an explanation, why do you start the same topic threads? Hmmmm??????
Yes I am aware of that, but what has that got to do w/anything? I'm not understanding please explain, asking seriously.
Also will you please post the 2 interviews where Lisa said what you said she did, this isn't it. Also the one where Sillerman states Graceland will no longer have tours I can't find that anywhere, and I've read all the interviews he's given. Thanks.

[EP75]

Suzan go back to the beginning of this thread and read the link where I got the quote from. Please stop trying to discredit me when I have already provided evidence.

[EP75]

I can start any thread I so choose, just like anyone else here w/o owing an explanation, why do you start the same topic threads? Hmmmm??????
Yes I am aware of that, but what has that got to do w/anything? I'm not understanding please explain, asking seriously.
Also will you please post the 2 interviews where Lisa said what you said she did, this isn't it. Also the one where Sillerman states Graceland will no longer have tours I can't find that anywhere, and I've read all the interviews he's given. Thanks.

Please tell me, better yet show me where I said he said that there wuld not be anymore tours? Stop putting words into my mouth. You are showing your butt off by acting like a child.

[Suzan]

Ah hon, look at what you titled the thread.:D I'm showing what? LOL Well if nothing else your amusing.:D
And if anyone is acting like a child, well hmmm look in the mirror.;) Again stop w/the insults if you have nothing else to back your claims, k.? :D Play nice.;):D

[Suzan]

Per Sillerman-"Graceland will no longer be a house tour" ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
EP75
In case your confused.:) Why name it that, so since it's in quotation marks please post the interview or show where Sillerman made this statement.:D Thank you.

[EP75]

You blind bat-HERE>>>>>> http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?s=4544089

[Suzan]

Wow you always call people name's? That's not nice. Yet you cry when people aren't nice to you, ever heard the term, "treat other's as you yourself would like to be treated"?

So to address, first of all here is part of that interview:

"Graceland will no longer be a house tour," he said Thursday. "It will be a thematic attraction, and it will take its place in this country with the great attractions like Disneyland, Universal, ect."

Sillerman runs CKX Incorporated, the company that took over Graceland's operations one year ago. He wants to expand the attraction, drawing visitors for days, not just hours.

"We want to give people more things to do when they visit it," he said. "It's not going to become an amusement park. It will always pay homage to Elvis, and his impact as a cultural icon in America."

To me what that says, is that yes Graceland will still be opened to tours, but the ATTRACTIONS will change, and there will be a theme, and again I will wait to see how far he can go w/o Lisa's approval as per the interview I posted she OWNS Graceland and has stated this past August, nothing will change w/the house. And again I say to check the historical society.

And you have claimed all along that it will be an amusement type venue whereas above he CLEARLY states not the case, if you would like I can go find your posts where you have said that it's going to be an amusement type thing.:)

[Getlo]

EPE and Graceland are two seperate identities .

You must be kidding! They are only separate in a legal sense. They are one and the same thing for all intents and purposes ...

[Suzan]

You must be kidding! They are only separate in a legal sense. They are one and the same thing for all intents and purposes ...

I think I know what you mean Getlo, but I think difference being is that Lisa still owns the house and the land, she did however, sign a 99 yr. lease to Sillerman as far as conducting tours and daily operations of the house. But I think they are different entities.

[keke23]

Jay, I guess by you postin the pic of you and Anna shows you and I aint the same after all, LMBAO.

I bet some folks feel like fools now for sayin we were the same. Great pic btw....you sexy thing.;)

KC, callin someone cross eyed, when you've never posted a pic of your own self, is just wrong. Plus, she aint cross eyed from what I can see. And don't be hatin on Jay. You know you wish a sista would holla at you like that, lol.

Susan, everything you been complainin about today, Jay done pointed all that out....yesterday, lol. You're slow.

I thought you had a site to run? Why you over here worryin about someone else's?

IMHO, I hope it does become a Disneyland like place with roller coasters, thrill rides, and all otehr fun attractions. Maybe name one of the rides, the Hunka Burnin Roller coacster, lol.

I'm tired of folks actin like Elvis was some type of untouchable God. He was human. A great lovin carin and drop dead gorgeous human at that, but a human none the less.

What gives yall all this authority to say who is right and who is wrong? Yall aint payin their bills at EPE, so quit worryin so much about what they decides to do.

Jay may not have sources, but I do. In fact, I'm prolly the only one on here that does and knows more about what's goin on here in Memphis than anyone else does.

My sources aint been wrong yet

I'm through for sayin my peace and I'm out, so holla.

[presley31]

Jay, I guess by you postin the pic of you and Anna shows you and I aint the same after all, LMBAO.

I bet some folks feel like fools now for sayin we were the same. Great pic btw....you sexy thing.;)

KC, callin someone cross eyed, when you've never posted a pic of your own self, is just wrong. Plus, she aint cross eyed from what I can see. And don't be hatin on Jay. You know you wish a sista would holla at you like that, lol.

Susan, everything you been complainin about today, Jay done pointed all that out....yesterday, lol. You're slow.

I thought you had a site to run? Why you over here worryin about someone else's?

IMHO, I hope it does become a Disneyland like place with roller coasters, thrill rides, and all otehr fun attractions. Maybe name one of the rides, the Hunka Burnin Roller coacster, lol.

I'm tired of folks actin like Elvis was some type of untouchable God. He was human. A great lovin carin and drop dead gorgeous human at that, but a human none the less.

What gives yall all this authority to say who is right and who is wrong? Yall aint payin their bills at EPE, so quit worryin so much about what they decides to do.

Jay may not have sources, but I do. In fact, I'm prolly the only one on here that does and knows more about what's goin on here in Memphis than anyone else does.

My sources aint been wrong yet

I'm through for sayin my peace and I'm out, so holla.

I don't see why your friend comes on here and post things that get people mad, and to top it all lisa has said yes to any of this stuff:hmm:

[Getlo]

Jay, I guess by you postin the pic of you and Anna shows you and I aint the same after all, LMBAO.

I bet some folks feel like fools now for sayin we were the same. Great pic btw....you sexy thing.;)

My sources aint been wrong yet

I'm through for sayin my peace and I'm out, so holla.

Wow, EP75, you really do sound like a stereotypical African American woman! How about putting up a photo of Lakeisha up here for us all to enjoy?

Holla!

But whether it's you under the guise of EP75 or Lakeisha, keep posting the info from Sillerman and the rest. It is usually interesting reading at the very least.

As always, I remain very wary of BS and his cronies ... and I know that I will be proven right in a few years when Graceland becomes Disneyland II.

[keke23]

Wow, EP75, you really do sound like a stereotypical African American woman! How about putting up a photo of Lakeisha up here for us all to enjoy?

Holla!

But whether it's you under the guise of EP75 or Lakeisha, keep posting the info from Sillerman and the rest. It is usually interesting reading at the very least.

As always, I remain very wary of BS and his cronies ... and I know that I will be proven right in a few years when Graceland becomes Disneyland II.

OMG...he even posted a pic of him and yall still claimin we're the same. Some of yall need to get lives, seriously.

I don't post here hardly at all anymore. The only reason I am now is because I had somethin I wanted to say.

I'm just glad Jay posted a pic of him and his girl. Now yall can chill with the Jaykeisha, he/she stuff.

Holla

[rocknroll]

Maybe this will shut you up. Strictly from the horses (EPE's) mouth.:lol: Oh and the city and state already passed those new laws and the funds have been approved that is mentioned so yea I think it's as good as it gets as to being OFFICIAL.:D READ IT AND WEAP.

More on the Exciting Future of Graceland and EPE 6/4/2007
Following is a copy of an article from The Commercial Appeal newspaper in Memphis. If you are a registered user of the Commerical Appeal site, this link should take you directly to their posting of the article.

Graceland kingdom expansion hinges on public funds

By David Williams
June 2, 2007

Elvis Presley's Graceland kingdom would be totally transformed -- the king's mansion aside -- in a $250 million improvement plan led by CKX Inc. chief executive Robert F.X. Sillerman.

There would be a new boutique convention hotel, a potential second hotel, a new visitors center, new attractions and new shops within five years -- provided local and state governments commit to an unidentified amount of funding, as Sillerman hopes will happen within the month.

"I think they recognize that we're blessed with an attraction like Graceland. There's really nothing like it in the world," Sillerman said Friday, after it was announced that publicly traded CKX is being taken private in a buyout he's leading.
"With the kind of investment we're prepared to make, in partnership with the jurisdictions, we really could have a significant impact on the entire region.

"They recognize it and we're thrilled about it."

Shelby County Mayor A C Wharton also expressed optimism about the project, without specifically addressing the funding issue.

"This significant private investment will have a positive impact on the community as a whole, but it also dovetails into our existing efforts to further enhance the vitality of the Whitehaven community," Wharton said in a statement. "The company's commitment will facilitate our efforts to attract additional businesses and biomedical companies to the corridor and assist in the development of our aerotropolis strategy.

"We look forward to working with the company, other local officials and the people of the Whitehaven community to bring this plan to fruition."

On the city side, chief financial officer Robert Lipscomb referred questions about public funding to Mayor Willie Herenton. Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

There have been ongoing talks between EPE and public officials, including a March meeting attended by Sillerman, Wharton, Herenton, Lipscomb, members of the Memphis Regional Chamber and Priscilla Presley.

Also, the City Council asked the Herenton administration to develop a plan for a Center City Commission-like board to oversee the redevelopment of the area, which includes Memphis International Airport and Brooks Road.

Although plagued by decay, the area also is home to three of the city's key industries -- distribution and logistics, medical device manufacturing and tourism and entertainment.

"We need a lot of help from the community," said Jack Soden, Elvis Presley Enterprises CEO. "It wouldn't work to think in terms of this 100-acre campus and pouring a tremendous investment in here and just hoping things work out OK for Elvis Presley Boulevard and Whitehaven.

"It all has to be integrated -- the Brooks Road initiative, Elvis Presley Boulevard, the whole community. We want to be the catalyst for just a huge rebirth, redevelopment of the whole Whitehaven area."

Sillerman, asked if government funding is essential to his plan, said, "That's exactly right."

Sillerman paid $100 million for an 85-percent stake in EPE in a deal announced in December 2004. He vowed to transform what had been run as a "family business," using a "risk-oriented and expansive approach."

During a February 2006 visit to Memphis, Sillerman talked of doubling Graceland's total of 600,000 annual visitors and said the late King of Rock and Roll's home should "take its logical place as one of the great attractions in America, like Disneyland or Universal theme parks."

Toward that goal, EPE and affiliated companies have been gobbling up real estate, and now own or control more than 100 acres around the mansion.

The companies have spent more than $13 million on property since January 2006, including a 182-unit apartment complex and former car dealership.

Friday's announcement that CKX -- which also owns rights to the Muhammad Ali name and the "American Idol" TV show -- is going private could speed up the Memphis project.

That's because while CKX goes private, an affiliated company, FX Luxury Realty LLC, would pursue the Elvis-related real estate projects around Graceland -- as well a hotel and casino development in Las Vegas.

"It was frankly too big a project for a company like CKX," said Sillerman, who built billion-dollar entertainment empires with radio stations and concert promotions. "What we have created is an opportunity for the real estate development company to do that. Assuming we have appropriate cooperation from the city, county and state, this actually should speed up the regeneration, if you will, of the area surrounding Graceland."

Copyright 2007, The Commercial Appeal, Memphis, TN. All rights reserved. Used with permission. www.commercialappeal.com


O.K. all, I've read this twice. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

First of all, if this is all you have, you and it are weak.

Secondly, I see nothing, again, NOTHING in this piece you posted that says this is a done deal. All I see is that it is in the works, and there are still hurdles to overcome.

Here is what I read:

"Elvis Presley's Graceland kingdom would be totally transformed"


"provided local and state governments commit to an unidentified amount of funding"


"With the kind of investment we're prepared to make, in partnership with the jurisdictions, we really could have a significant impact on the entire region."


"Shelby County Mayor A C Wharton also expressed optimism about the project, without specifically addressing the funding issue."

""We look forward to working with the company, other local officials and the people of the Whitehaven community to bring this plan to fruition."

"We need a lot of help from the community,"

"Sillerman, asked if government funding is essential to his plan, said, "That's exactly right."

Now, I see nothing definitive in that piece, and that is what I am asking for. What has been passed, what funds have been gathered, what is the date of the ground breaking? Until all that is answered it is pure speculation and wishful thinking on your part.

This is so typical of you, Jay. Posting stuff that has no factual backing and trying to pass it off as fact. When you are called on to provide proof you can't do it and it turns into a huge fight. This is your ONLY purpose for being here.

[rocknroll]

Susan, stop while you are ahead. I have no idea what you are even babbling about this time. And I told you earlier in a PM to stop trying to call me a she. You want proof of who I am, here it is babe. Now tuck your tale between your legs and move along with the egg running down your face.

http://a639.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/13/m_ab8e79ea17fa73fd243fda85f2bc5f76.jpg

Sorry moderators, I had to put an end to this once and for all.

Hahahahaha. Funny, you look like a black chic in this picture. Who's the white dude that accidently stumbled into the frame?

[keke23]

Jay sent me this pic in an email and asked me to post it since yall didn't believe it was him since he can't cause they banned him for a week.

http://a280.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/l_d7724572418e92c5b5b3ff049a89f0f7.jpg

[Getlo]

Jay sent me this pic in an email and asked me to post it since yall didn't believe it was him since he can't cause they banned him for a week.

I know we're way off topic here, but I have to say Lakeisha that I admire your tenacity! (y)

All this proves is that you have a picture of someone who claims to be EP75. I do believe the guy in the pictures is EP75; the guy who says he has a black girlfriend.

So, can we see a pic of you as well then?

Keep the faith, babe!

xo

[rocknroll]

Jay sent me this pic in an email and asked me to post it since yall didn't believe it was him since he can't cause they banned him for a week.

http://a280.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/89/l_d7724572418e92c5b5b3ff049a89f0f7.jpg

What does this have to do with the topic?

Jay was banned, again?

Maybe now we can let this thing die out.

[Suzan]

Umm look at the side by side pics of "Lakeisha/EP75" espescially the eyebrows and the nose area, you guys notice anything? ROF
Did I mention there are very cool programs out there that play w/peeps pics, etc...hint hint.;)
What's amazing is EP75 gets banned and lo and behold here is "Lakeisha" claiming the same things...wow...if nothing else it's amusing.:D Thanks for the fun.:D

[Suzan]

What does this have to do with the topic?

Jay was banned, again?

Maybe now we can let this thing die out.

We wish, but it won't because his "friend" will be here to take up the cause.;)

[presley31]

come on guys stay on topic.

[Latte]

Wow, these posts are a lot to read, lol!
I just want to say changing the surrounding area to a theme park type thing is wack. And i dont want my man to be made a joke of, hmph!
;)

[keke23]

There's a story in today's USA Today about Elvis toppin the dead celeb list and the comin changes to Graceland.

They weren't callin it a "wish list", lol, they were callin it a public announcement durin the summer for changes comin includin a new hotel convention center, state-of-the-art multimedia museum, and a new spiffier visitor's center.

So I guess that answers yalls request for proof of it bein a done deal, lol.

[rocknroll]

There's a story in today's USA Today about Elvis toppin the dead celeb list and the comin changes to Graceland.

They weren't callin it a "wish list", lol, they were callin it a public announcement durin the summer for changes comin includin a new hotel convention center, state-of-the-art multimedia museum, and a new spiffier visitor's center.

So I guess that answers yalls request for proof of it bein a done deal, lol.

When is ground breaking and completion date?

[IMETJB]

Wow, EP75 was banned here AND at FECC? Wonder why:blink:

[keke23]

When is ground breaking and completion date?

Just because they aint announced when the groundbreakin takes place doesn't mean it aint official.

I asked my source a week ago what he thought were the chances of all this fallin through, and his answer was 0%.

It's a done deal, that's why I been tellin yall and Jay about what's fixen to happen.

All EPE and Sillerman's waitin for is the final 3 readings, that Jay mentioned, to get clearance to rezone the Whitehaven/Graceland area.

I was concerned when I first heard about the 3 readings thing a few weeks ago, but my source insured me there was nothin to worry about. Even if it didn't get the clearance, which it will, all that means is rezoning wouldn't happen, and other new attractions like the hotels and entertainment district wouldn't happen.

The museum and VC plans are a done deal. You can take that to the bank. EPE's been wantin this forever.

Like I said before....I hope they do turn the whole area into a amusement/theme park attraction and boost tourism and get rid of the trashy hoods around there that are bringin the value and safety issues down.

The more new attractions they add and bring in for more tourism.......the more money goes into our strugglin economy.

They aint gotta build it AT Graceland, but in the area to help bring in more tourism.

But I know some of yall don't care about that, just the "don't mess with King Elvis" part.

[Diane]

EP75, why can't you just drop it? We'll all find out sooner or later what's going on this summer...we don't need to drag this thread on into the next century. (n)


Diane

[elvis himselvis]

This whole plan is crap:angry:
It's just not good to do this...

[Tony Trout]

With the words, "Graceland will no longer be a house tour", Sillerman just basically means that (besides the house itself) there will be other things planned for the fans to see. There's no need to get our undies in a bunch over this whole situation. He can't touch the house itself, people...it's a National Landmark and he would be breaking a federal law by doing anything to the house.

[keke23]

With the words, "Graceland will no longer be a house tour", Sillerman just basically means that (besides the house itself) there will be other things planned for the fans to see. There's no need to get our undies in a bunch over this whole situation. He can't touch the house itself, people...it's a National Landmark and he would be breaking a federal law by doing anything to the house.

True. And I think Jay made that clear form his very first post on this topic, but some justw anted to slam him for supportin it.

I guess they would be hatin on all Memphians if they knew how many folks here are 100% behind the plans.

Some folks are callin it the greatest thing ever to happen to Memphis economically.

[rocknroll]

We wish, but it won't because his "friend" will be here to take up the cause.;)

Suzan, looks like you are being proven correct. Good call.

There is only one way to stop all this bickering and that is to deal Jay's friend (who claims not to post here anymore (n)) the same fate he received. Then, good harmony can return and threads will tend to stay more on topic.

[presley31]

With the words, "Graceland will no longer be a house tour", Sillerman just basically means that (besides the house itself) there will be other things planned for the fans to see. There's no need to get our undies in a bunch over this whole situation. He can't touch the house itself, people...it's a National Landmark and he would be breaking a federal law by doing anything to the house.

thanks tony for explaining(y)

[franny]

EP75, why can't you just drop it? We'll all find out sooner or later what's going on this summer...we don't need to drag this thread on into the next century. (n)


Diane

:lol: So true, Diane!

franny

[Unchained Melody]

As long as they don't get Graceland looking like a disney land then i'm fine with it. Just as long as they keep it respectful to the memory and legacy of Elvis, it should be good.

[ms_epblvd]

I read some of these threads and cant believe how some of you not all, are soooo anti any changes regarding Elvis. Elvis was an icon, he was a legend but if they didnt make changes and upgrades and even some of the better ETA's dont you realize that one day he wouldnt exist anymore? Fans die and you need to keep improving to make it interesting for other new people to find out about the magic of Elvis. If someone sees a decent ETA and gets them interested in Elvis and the person goes out the next day to join a fan club or hear a song of the orginial wasnt in worth it?

I love also how some of you say a 250,000 million dollar project may be a tacky-disney theme park? Or Las Vegas is tacky? Las Vegas is not tacky, its unique and for some eccentric types. It they can bring the Legacy of Elvis up to the standards of a disneyworld or a Vegas - I say go for it.

Elvis can be remembered as part of THIS century. Alot here think Elvis should just be remembered by listening to a album and staring a picture of him in a white jumpsuit with mutt n chops. Lets move to OUR time and bring Elvis with us!!!! Okay I am done rambling and off my soap box.:king:

[Getlo]

If someone sees a decent ETA

... I'd pay 'em a million dollars. Just like the Loch Ness Monster, there's no such thing! :lol:


Las Vegas is not tacky

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[ms_epblvd]

Getlo,

I mean a man that can sing well that pays respect to Elvis. I am not talking about glued on side burns giving out toilet paper scarves.

Just like in anything, of course Las Vegas has tackiness to it, but stay at the Bellagio, that is all class.

Dont be sooooooooo literal and take comments as all or none.

[Brian Quinn]

Bob Sillerman is the BEST thing EVER to happen to the Elvis Legacy.


Brian

[Getlo]

Bob Sillerman is the BEST thing EVER to happen to the Elvis Legacy.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Johnny]

I agree with Brian

[DodgeGal]

Elvis will always be a Legend, and yes it would be a tacky theme park, I understand changes will accur for the future, but the future shouldn't destroy history, Elvis will be remembered, many and many centuries ahead of us, and every century will remember him as we have learned about him, an update for the future? Just leave it, the history is now, and what we learn from.

[ms_epblvd]

I agree with Brian too. Elvis will always be remembered that is true but he if new fans are going to be generated excitement needs to be recreated because he isnt here to do that for himself anymore. Elvis the concert was a brilliant concept. I think you are mis understanding the use of the word "theme park" . It will be a multimedia venue with some spark. I dont think they have intentions of making Elvis head bumper cars and MM fuzzied headed characters. Though that might be funny to see... LOL I am sure it will be done it good taste. If a huge amount of money is backing this, I am sure it will be flattering to Elvis and his legacy.

[Getlo]

I dont think they have intentions of making Elvis head bumper cars and MM fuzzied headed characters.

Famous last words ... something similar could happen. We have no control over any of this crap. EPE already sell loads of rubbish; there is no guarantee their poor taste won't extend to a larger scale.


If a huge amount of money is backing this, I am sure it will be flattering to Elvis and his legacy.

Why do you equate the amount of money spent with the level of taste involved? More money does not guarantee anything ...

[ms_epblvd]

That is true Getlo, money doesnt guarantee anything, but I am sure they will be careful. They arent going to put tons of money into something that the majority of people will think is stupid and not support. They want to make money. I am sure whatever they do some fans will hate it as always but some wont.

[Getlo]

They arent going to put tons of money into something that the majority of people will think is stupid.

I beg to differ.

The authorised ETA contest is the prime example. The majority of fans hated the idea, and rightly so.

[presley31]

That is true Getlo, money doesnt guarantee anything, but I am sure they will be careful. They arent going to put tons of money into something that the majority of people will think is stupid and not support. They want to make money. I am sure whatever they do some fans will hate it as always but some wont.

l agree(y)

[utmom2008]

I beg to differ.

The authorised ETA contest is the prime example. The majority of fans hated the idea, and rightly so.
The ETA's NEED to go....ALL of them :D:D:D

[presley31]

The ETA's NEED to go....ALL of them :D:D:D

I don't mind some of them but nobody will ever come close to elvis.

[DodgeGal]

Theme Park, yes it could be, and No i am not misunderstanding the word, the old saying "Que Sera sera, what ever will be, will be, the Future is not ours to see, am just saying they should leave well enough alone, but who knows what the next generation will bring?

[ms_epblvd]

Getlo, I agree the ETA contest was stupid. But that didnt cost them tons of money. Graceland usually doesnt put up tons of money for things. They want to make the most for little cost. Doesnt everybody? All they had to do was print tickets and rent a venue, just like most of their events. The one thing they did that they shelled money out for is "Elvis the Concert" and that proved to be superb.

I dont think they can or should leave well enough alone. Graceland the house is nice but around it is shappy. It looks crappy around that area and does need some spark. EPE doesnt want to built this for fans, they will come and just sit on a lawn chair, they know that, but they are looking for others to be taken in by the Elvis magic that we already know.

For the record, I dont have a problem with ETA's who can sing and pay a nice tribute, but I dont think EPE should EVER endorse a ETA like they did. I do think that was classless.

[May]

He CAN'T do anything to the house, Lisa owns it...he is just in charge of the tours. :D

.

Thank God for that!!
But if he is just in charge of the tours - does that mean he can stop the tours of the house ?
(n)

[Tony Trout]

Thank God for that!!
But if he is just in charge of the tours - does that mean he can stop the tours of the house ?
(n)


Here we go again.....


It would be a very stupid move on his part to stop the tours of the house because it brings in so much money.....I simply don't see that happening but if he does then he's crazier than I thought he was.....

[DodgeGal]

I do agree with you Tony Trout, it would a Very stupid move on his part

[keke23]

I read some of these threads and cant believe how some of you not all, are soooo anti any changes regarding Elvis. Elvis was an icon, he was a legend but if they didnt make changes and upgrades and even some of the better ETA's dont you realize that one day he wouldnt exist anymore? Fans die and you need to keep improving to make it interesting for other new people to find out about the magic of Elvis. If someone sees a decent ETA and gets them interested in Elvis and the person goes out the next day to join a fan club or hear a song of the orginial wasnt in worth it?

I love also how some of you say a 250,000 million dollar project may be a tacky-disney theme park? Or Las Vegas is tacky? Las Vegas is not tacky, its unique and for some eccentric types. It they can bring the Legacy of Elvis up to the standards of a disneyworld or a Vegas - I say go for it.

Elvis can be remembered as part of THIS century. Alot here think Elvis should just be remembered by listening to a album and staring a picture of him in a white jumpsuit with mutt n chops. Lets move to OUR time and bring Elvis with us!!!! Okay I am done rambling and off my soap box.:king:

CO-SIGN!!!!(y)

[Mark Jacobs]

My opinion about the upcoming changes are different from most here. I'm new here, but been reading this forum for about 6 months now. I'm 20 years old and in college as a junior. I just got back from a trip to Memphis and Graceland about a month ago. I went with my family (grandmother, mother, dad, and kid sister). We were on our way to Texas for a family reunion and thought since we were going to be going right through Memphis that we would stay over night and see the famous places around town, without getting robbed or shot while doing it. Memphis is a rough looking town. My mother felt unsafe at first. So we stayed at this ritzy looking round-shaped skyscraper hotel called the Hilton East which is away from downtown in East Memphis. The next day we planned out to see the Pink Palace Museum, the zoo, the Civil Rights Museum, and of course Graceland.

The Pink Palace is just that, a palace. It's an ancient home turned into a beautiful museum (like Graceland) with very nice detail and the architectural designing is exquisite. There's even an IMAX theater inside it. It is a big place and the landscaping was picture perfect. The up-keeping was very well noticed.

The Civil Rights Museum was just the opposite and a disappointment. To be such a historical landmark attraction where Civil Rights Activist Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered on the balcony of the Loraine Motel, it has poor up-keeping. There was hardly a sole there, it was that empty. We were told by a local resident that the city may have to shut it down due to lack of funds and upkeep. That is really sad if that happens and shows very little respect to such a huge monumental and cultural moment in American history.

We had planned to see the zoo as well. But we figured we wouldn't have time to see all of Graceland if we went to both. So we decided to skip the zoo, which ticked off my sister, and go see Graceland. I have read and heard so much about it and it's historical value to pop culture. However I wasn't as amused as I figured I would be. My mother and grandmother were just lost in the fact that they were standing there. The home was really nice and well kept. But the area around it including the attractions across from it were as some have called it "outdated" and lack of modern day technology for exhibits and attractions. Me and my dad were like "is this all there is to see?" We kind of expected a park like atmosphere surrounding all the hype. Not necessarily a park with rides like Six Flags. But something that families could enjoy and learn about. To me, it seemed to be more of a fan club hang out than a historical landmark. I thought the Pink Palace had more to offer than Graceland did, and it's not even Memphis' top tourist destination.

Don't get me wrong. Graceland was really a nice place to visit. But it was after the tour and the lack of entertainment across from it and around it that shocked and disappointed us. Especially for the price we paid. We passed up the zoo, which irritated my sister to see Graceland, because we expected much more than what we got for the buck. The car museum was probably the highlight for me. I liked his black Stutz and the motorcycles were pretty nice as well. The planes were nice too. But outside of that, there wasn't all that much to get excited about.

My mother and grandmother loved the jumpsuit display that they had. I felt like I was in a world of rhinestones and bell-bottoms. But I do have to admit, as tacky as those suits look to today's style and standards, seeing them in person gives a whole new perspective of what they were really like. He had some sharp costumes like the Gypsy suit, my favorite. The Aloha suit is probably the most famous, I would imagine. I also didn't think his waste-line was all that big as the pics and media make him out to look.


We also took in a small museum that had his legendary TCB ring at. That thing was huge!! He had to have some strong hands to wear that around all the time. As for the museum itself, I wasn't blown away or too impressed. It seemed really small for a guy as big a name and image as Elvis is and lacked of information and detail.

After we finished at the plaza, me and my dad asked this black guy who worked there about the new rumors about an overhaul coming to Graceland to spice it up and attract larger crowds. We had hoped to have seen some of them on our visit. But there was nothing. Not even a bulldozer to be found in the area. The guy told us that it wasn't a rumor that there's gonna be a major expansion. He pointed behind him that all of the stuff at the plaza will be ancient compared to what's in store in the next few years and all of that will be torn down. We asked him how long it would be before these changes take place and he told us "not too long possibly within the next couple of years everything will be brand new and hi tech and modern as can be". We got excited hearing those words "hi-tech" and "modern" because at Graceland there is nothing hi-tech or modern to be found. Unless you wanna call the streaming lights across a billboard at the plaza, hi-tech or modern. That's about it. It was so out-of-date that I felt like I was in the 70's or early 80's. Back when it first opened.

So my point for this long story is that from what I saw, I wasn't all that impressed considering how a big attraction it is world wide. I expected more than what was there for someone my age. But the good news is that that seems to be their main goal and focus now, is to attract young adults of my age group in the near future to double the attendance. But that's not gonna happen with the way things are now. So I can definitely see and agree with their plans for the near future. We plan to go back as a family to see all the new changes when they are completed. Hopefully then I will be impressed.

Some here say they support the expansion and most say they don't. I am one of them that does support it heavily. I feel as if the ones against it are either just misinformed or simply lost in the old days and don't wanna see change. There's an old saying, "if it's not broke then why fix it". In the case of the area around Graceland and the attraction itself, it is broke and needs fixing. That's how I see it anyway. And after seeing it first hand, it most definitely needs to be upgraded. That goes for the entire area. We didn't feel a "Disneyland" safety environment. More like a "disgraced wasteland" environment.

[franny]

Some here say they support the expansion and most say they don't. I am one of them that does support it heavily. I feel as if the ones against it are either just misinformed or simply lost in the old days and don't wanna see change. There's an old saying, "if it's not broke then why fix it". In the case of the area around Graceland and the attraction itself, it is broke and needs fixing. That's how I see it anyway. And after seeing it first hand, it most definitely needs to be upgraded. That goes for the entire area. We didn't feel a "Disneyland" safety environment. More like a "disgraced wasteland" environment.

I think most support the expansion, it's the "Disneyland" surroundings they don't really support! I think as long as Graceland can remain the same, the fans will be happy!

If, the surrounding areas need to be upgraded, with for example, a Hotel or a museum, that's great, but most of us want Graceland to stay the same, inside! (y)

I haven't seen it, but that's what I would like to see happen!

franny

[Diane]

That's it exactly Franny! We want the mansion to be the focal point of the tours....Elvis' HOME.

What we don't want to see is an Elvis amusement park or a "Dolly World".


Diane

[cameron]

I support the expansion and the clean up...all around .
Just no Disney Land/carnival type of thing.

I suggest Beale Street .There's lots to do there and all kinds of interesting people hang out there .;)

[keke23]

My opinion about the upcoming changes are different from most here. I'm new here, but been reading this forum for about 6 months now. I'm 20 years old and in college as a junior. I just got back from a trip to Memphis and Graceland about a month ago. I went with my family (grandmother, mother, dad, and kid sister). We were on our way to Texas for a family reunion and thought since we were going to be going right through Memphis that we would stay over night and see the famous places around town, without getting robbed or shot while doing it. Memphis is a rough looking town. My mother felt unsafe at first. So we stayed at this ritzy looking round-shaped skyscraper hotel called the Hilton East which is away from downtown in East Memphis. The next day we planned out to see the Pink Palace Museum, the zoo, the Civil Rights Museum, and of course Graceland.

The Pink Palace is just that, a palace. It's an ancient home turned into a beautiful museum (like Graceland) with very nice detail and the architectural designing is exquisite. There's even an IMAX theater inside it. It is a big place and the landscaping was picture perfect. The up-keeping was very well noticed.

The Civil Rights Museum was just the opposite and a disappointment. To be such a historical landmark attraction where Civil Rights Activist Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered on the balcony of the Loraine Motel, it has poor up-keeping. There was hardly a sole there, it was that empty. We were told by a local resident that the city may have to shut it down due to lack of funds and upkeep. That is really sad if that happens and shows very little respect to such a huge monumental and cultural moment in American history.

We had planned to see the zoo as well. But we figured we wouldn't have time to see all of Graceland if we went to both. So we decided to skip the zoo, which ticked off my sister, and go see Graceland. I have read and heard so much about it and it's historical value to pop culture. However I wasn't as amused as I figured I would be. My mother and grandmother were just lost in the fact that they were standing there. The home was really nice and well kept. But the area around it including the attractions across from it were as some have called it "outdated" and lack of modern day technology for exhibits and attractions. Me and my dad were like "is this all there is to see?" We kind of expected a park like atmosphere surrounding all the hype. Not necessarily a park with rides like Six Flags. But something that families could enjoy and learn about. To me, it seemed to be more of a fan club hang out than a historical landmark. I thought the Pink Palace had more to offer than Graceland did, and it's not even Memphis' top tourist destination.

Don't get me wrong. Graceland was really a nice place to visit. But it was after the tour and the lack of entertainment across from it and around it that shocked and disappointed us. Especially for the price we paid. We passed up the zoo, which irritated my sister to see Graceland, because we expected much more than what we got for the buck. The car museum was probably the highlight for me. I liked his black Stutz and the motorcycles were pretty nice as well. The planes were nice too. But outside of that, there wasn't all that much to get excited about.

My mother and grandmother loved the jumpsuit display that they had. I felt like I was in a world of rhinestones and bell-bottoms. But I do have to admit, as tacky as those suits look to today's style and standards, seeing them in person gives a whole new perspective of what they were really like. He had some sharp costumes like the Gypsy suit, my favorite. The Aloha suit is probably the most famous, I would imagine. I also didn't think his waste-line was all that big as the pics and media make him out to look.


We also took in a small museum that had his legendary TCB ring at. That thing was huge!! He had to have some strong hands to wear that around all the time. As for the museum itself, I wasn't blown away or too impressed. It seemed really small for a guy as big a name and image as Elvis is and lacked of information and detail.

After we finished at the plaza, me and my dad asked this black guy who worked there about the new rumors about an overhaul coming to Graceland to spice it up and attract larger crowds. We had hoped to have seen some of them on our visit. But there was nothing. Not even a bulldozer to be found in the area. The guy told us that it wasn't a rumor that there's gonna be a major expansion. He pointed behind him that all of the stuff at the plaza will be ancient compared to what's in store in the next few years and all of that will be torn down. We asked him how long it would be before these changes take place and he told us "not too long possibly within the next couple of years everything will be brand new and hi tech and modern as can be". We got excited hearing those words "hi-tech" and "modern" because at Graceland there is nothing hi-tech or modern to be found. Unless you wanna call the streaming lights across a billboard at the plaza, hi-tech or modern. That's about it. It was so out-of-date that I felt like I was in the 70's or early 80's. Back when it first opened.

So my point for this long story is that from what I saw, I wasn't all that impressed considering how a big attraction it is world wide. I expected more than what was there for someone my age. But the good news is that that seems to be their main goal and focus now, is to attract young adults of my age group in the near future to double the attendance. But that's not gonna happen with the way things are now. So I can definitely see and agree with their plans for the near future. We plan to go back as a family to see all the new changes when they are completed. Hopefully then I will be impressed.

Some here say they support the expansion and most say they don't. I am one of them that does support it heavily. I feel as if the ones against it are either just misinformed or simply lost in the old days and don't wanna see change. There's an old saying, "if it's not broke then why fix it". In the case of the area around Graceland and the attraction itself, it is broke and needs fixing. That's how I see it anyway. And after seeing it first hand, it most definitely needs to be upgraded. That goes for the entire area. We didn't feel a "Disneyland" safety environment. More like a "disgraced wasteland" environment.

I agree about Whitehaven and its surrounding hood.

I used to live there and it's ran down so bad now.

The crime is risin everyday in Whitehaven and around Graceland. But EPE aint gonna let the fans know about that.

[Suzan]

Thank God for that!!
But if he is just in charge of the tours - does that mean he can stop the tours of the house ?
(n)

The title of the thread is misleading...he didn't mean that the tour of the home would stop, the exhibits will be updated, that is all.

I agree Tony, 10000%!

[utmom2008]

The thread should probably read "Graceland will no longer be JUST a house tour". That might have saved some blood pressures from going up:D

[Suzan]

True, but then maybe not as many responses? lol

[utmom2008]

True, but then maybe not as many responses? lol
:lol: You are right...at least not 152 :lol:

[Suzan]

:lol: You are right...at least not 152 :lol:

:lmfao:;) for sure. ;)

[Awickedreigndrop]

Here we go again.....


It would be a very stupid move on his part to stop the tours of the house because it brings in so much money.....I simply don't see that happening but if he does then he's crazier than I thought he was.....

I agree! Also I bet he would be getting millions of hate mail too if he did! :lol:



I support the expansion and the clean up...all around .
Just no Disney Land/carnival type of thing.

I suggest Beale Street .There's lots to do there and all kinds of interesting people hang out there .;)

Me too! Just hope that when they do the expansion they don't go overboard. I think that's one thing some of the Elvis fans are afraid of. It's like, too much of a good thing isn't always good.

[King_Creole]

KC, callin someone cross eyed ...

Hey, I was jus callin' a spade a spade !

Some people jus can't handle either the truth, or constructive criticism.

Maybe both.


Jay may not have sources, Yes, he has proven this time and time again ... we know ...


but I do.

Yeh, ok, sure ...

Are you the mayor's daughter or sumth n ... ?



so holla.

Holla Back !!! :P

[Suzan]

Hey, I was jus callin' a spade a spade !

Some people jus can't handle either the truth, or constructive criticism.

Maybe both.

Yes, he has proven this time and time again ... we know ...



Yeh, ok, sure ...

Are you the mayor's daughter or sumth n ... ?




Holla Back !!! :P

;) :D (y) :D (y)

[presley31]

I agree! Also I bet he would be getting millions of hate mail too if he did! :lol:




Me too! Just hope that when they do the expansion they don't go overboard. I think that's one thing some of the Elvis fans are afraid of. It's like, too much of a good thing isn't always good.

I agree(y)(y)

[Elvis_Priestly]

Having visited there this summer I saw a lot of visitors who went there out of curiosity - walking through the front door straight into the living room you could hear some of them hadn't really a clue what it was all about.

If the house became the last stage of a "multi-media" tour with the story of Elvis, who he was and what he did during the 23 years he ruled popular entertainment would be great.

"You've seen who he was now see where he lived"

[Diane]

I agree whole heartedly Conor. It would be a good idea to enlighten visitors as to who Elvis really was and what he contributed to the entertainment industry and please for heaven's sake, leave out the trash as his private demons had nothing to do with what he gave to the world.

Diane

[rocknroll]

Hey, I was jus callin' a spade a spade !:P

Uh oh. Hey, I know what you meant, but someone on here will try to twist it to their own advantage.

[keke23]

Yeah I know what he means too, and it's racist. Put 2 and 2 together. Black girl and a spade is black.

And anyone can see what he meant as bein racist, since the crap he pulls here.

Afterall, he just got reinstated from bein banned and posts this.

Maybe he didn't learn his lesson, lol.

[ksimms2]

Having visited there this summer I saw a lot of visitors who went there out of curiosity - walking through the front door straight into the living room you could hear some of them hadn't really a clue what it was all about.

If the house became the last stage of a "multi-media" tour with the story of Elvis, who he was and what he did during the 23 years he ruled popular entertainment would be great.

"You've seen who he was now see where he lived"

well they do give you those headphones to listen to his history of the house, his career, etc. hopefully they put those on and listen...it sure helps. I took mine off after a while, because I already knew most of it.....pretty much anyway.....but I want to go back so bad....and I'll wear those headphones the whole time - last time I was more interested in getting all good pictures....

[cameron]

Having visited there this summer I saw a lot of visitors who went there out of curiosity - walking through the front door straight into the living room you could hear some of them hadn't really a clue what it was all about.

If the house became the last stage of a "multi-media" tour with the story of Elvis, who he was and what he did during the 23 years he ruled popular entertainment would be great.

"You've seen who he was now see where he lived"
This is a great idea !!
Let's hope they do something along those lines. (y)

[keke23]

This girl who used to work for Graceland back when they had the big layoff of black workers who filed a civil lawsuit against EPE told me that they started the headphone tours to save from havin to have so many tour guides so they could save money.

I don't think money will be an issue anymore, now that the guy who's in charge has billions.

I'm not a Silelrman fan, yet. I'll make judgment once I see money comin into the black community of Whitehaven as he's promised would happen.

I am a supporter for the changes, as is practically all of Whitehaven.

If I wasn't a fan of Elvis and Graceland wasn't here, then I couldn't have cared less what they'd do to it.
But since it is our #1 tourist attraction, and a financial impact on the economy, I wanna see get as big as it possibly can. If that means havin the Zippin Pippin, or another roller coaster and amusement park built beside it, then so be it. As long as it benefits the community financially. But I know for a fact that aint gonna happen, so don't go quotin me or panicin.

If Elvis fans would stop and think, what would Elvis want? He'd wanna see his neighborhood restored, redeveloped and rebuilt to ensure better lifestyles and better jobs.

He wouldn't be selfish and say 'don't mess with it" as yall are doin. He'd be overwhelmed that he's still this big enough to bring in huge investments to his name and city.

That's what yall are forgettin.

[Mark Jacobs]

I didn't particularly like the headset. I did like the gold records display and the grave area though. I thought that was pretty neat. The graves were really kept nice and clean. It's a shame the rest of the area isn't.

Lakeisha, I saw your reply to my post the other day and noticed you said you use to live around there. I hope I didn't insult you by my comments about your town. It was just really rough looking for us. Nothing towards any ethnic groups. Sorry if it came over that way. We were shocked that it sat in the neighborhood that it's in. I expected it to be more of a isolated resort type of setting. Not a drug store and drug dealers hanging around it just half a mile from Graceland. That's why I strongly support the overhaul planned.

For what it's worth Lakeisha, for some reason, I think you get the wrong end of the stick here. But I've read your comments for a while and I don't see why so much hostility towards you and your friend. I haven't been around that long to know why some personally insult you, but I don't think it's right and in fact violates forum rules. Just wanted to add what I thought about all this. Take care.

[cameron]

I didn't particularly like the headset. I did like the gold records display and the grave area though. I thought that was pretty neat. The graves were really kept nice and clean. It's a shame the rest of the area isn't.

Lakeisha, I saw your reply to my post the other day and noticed you said you use to live around there. I hope I didn't insult you by my comments about your town. It was just really rough looking for us. Nothing towards any ethnic groups. Sorry if it came over that way. We were shocked that it sat in the neighborhood that it's in. I expected it to be more of a isolated resort type of setting. Not a drug store and drug dealers hanging around it just half a mile from Graceland. That's why I strongly support the overhaul planned.

For what it's worth Lakeisha, for some reason, I think you get the wrong end of the stick here. But I've read your comments for a while and I don't see why so much hostility towards you and your friend. I haven't been around that long to know why some personally insult you, but I don't think it's right and in fact violates forum rules. Just wanted to add what I thought about all this. Take care.
I never liked the head set idea either .
The area is run down and is in need of refurbishing, IMO.
No, I'm not prejuiced in any way either . I have 2 grand daughters and one daughter that married "black men" . One of the men I don't like , but nothing to do with his race. He's just worthless, IMO. ;)
Not sure why some are always putting down Lakeisha either . Haven't been here long enough either, I guess. But, you're right ; it is against forum rules .

I have no problem with "cleaning up the neighborhood."
I just think anything that distracts from "the home" itself is not what it was made an "historical site" for.

If some of the entertaiment things that's been discussed are put up down the road it might be more appropriate . Final say: We have no control over what the ones that owns the land does. I just wait and watch to see.

[rocknroll]

Yeah I know what he means too, and it's racist. Put 2 and 2 together. Black girl and a spade is black.

And anyone can see what he meant as bein racist, since the crap he pulls here.

Afterall, he just got reinstated from bein banned and posts this.

Maybe he didn't learn his lesson, lol.

Like clock work.

[keke23]

Like clock work.

Don't worry, he's already been reported

[Tommy]

Please stay on topic, thanks.(y)

[keke23]

Mark and Cameron, thanks soo much for the love and support!!

I think that Elvis fans are gonna be more impressed with the final results of the new plans for the Graceland area than depressed or disappointed.

From all that I've heard and been told by some in the know, Sillerman's got some heavy powers backin it to make sure it's a success.

As long as it improves that neighborhood, my former hood, and brings in money to the city and community......then I'm all for it!

[Suzan]

the land where the aircraft sits, etc...Elvis bought that @ the time he purchased Graceland...I wonder if that was willed to Lisa and if she retained ownership of that as well, or if it was included in the sale?

Thanks Mr. Tommy!:D:D

[keke23]

the land where the aircraft sits, etc...Elvis bought that @ the time he purchased Graceland...I wonder if that was willed to Lisa and if she retained ownership of that as well, or if it was included in the sale?

Thanks Mr. Tommy!:D:D

That's not true.

Elvis never owned anything across the street from Graceland. That was all city owned.

There was a shoppin center there when he died, and then it was bought by EPE when they opened Graceland to the public and turned it into the current plaza.

Elvis only owned 13.4 acres (or somethin like that) all within the brick wall boundaries.

He wanted to buy up all the land surroundin Graceland, but it was already sold to developers by the time he got home from the Army.

That's why they're now tryin to get that land back by buyin up a lot of the homes around there.

[Suzan]

It is true, read up on it.:D
I'm not talking about the shopping center land.:)

Elvis wanted to buy up all the land around Graceland but when he returned from the army he found that it had already been bought, where the homes and the shopping center sit now, but where the aircraft is, that he owned...again read up on it. Jerry Schilling has made mention of this as have several other's in DVD and books.:D

[presley31]

I didn't particularly like the headset. I did like the gold records display and the grave area though. I thought that was pretty neat. The graves were really kept nice and clean. It's a shame the rest of the area isn't.

Lakeisha, I saw your reply to my post the other day and noticed you said you use to live around there. I hope I didn't insult you by my comments about your town. It was just really rough looking for us. Nothing towards any ethnic groups. Sorry if it came over that way. We were shocked that it sat in the neighborhood that it's in. I expected it to be more of a isolated resort type of setting. Not a drug store and drug dealers hanging around it just half a mile from Graceland. That's why I strongly support the overhaul planned.

For what it's worth Lakeisha, for some reason, I think you get the wrong end of the stick here. But I've read your comments for a while and I don't see why so much hostility towards you and your friend. I haven't been around that long to know why some personally insult you, but I don't think it's right and in fact violates forum rules. Just wanted to add what I thought about all this. Take care.

yep l agree(y)

[cameron]

That's not true.

Elvis never owned anything across the street from Graceland. That was all city owned.

There was a shoppin center there when he died, and then it was bought by EPE when they opened Graceland to the public and turned it into the current plaza.

Elvis only owned 13.4 acres (or somethin like that) all within the brick wall boundaries.
He wanted to buy up all the land surroundin Graceland, but it was already sold to developers by the time he got home from the Army.

That's why they're now tryin to get that land back by buyin up a lot of the homes around there.

This is true as far as I know. If anyone has anything that says different than this.....
I'd appreciate seeing it. Thanks.

[Diane]

The only thing different I've heard is that Graceland was 14._ ...something acres.


Diane

[cameron]

I found two artcles on the size of Graceland.

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/the_moores_and_presleys_at_graceland.shtml

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_graceland.shtml

If I missed something somewhere ; just point me in the right direction. ;)
Thanks .

[utmom2008]

This is true as far as I know. If anyone has anything that says different than this.....
I'd appreciate seeing it. Thanks.
I'd like to see that as well Cameron. I read Schilling's book but I can't remember anything in it along those lines. I'll pull it back out and take another look. I'll look thru my pictures of EP Blvd. from 69 and 72

[cameron]

I'd like to see that as well Cameron. I read Schilling's book but I can't remember anything in it along those lines. I'll pull it back out and take another look. I'll look thru my pictures of EP Blvd. from 69 and 72

:hmm:I read Jerry's book too. Don't remember anything about the size of Graceland in 1977 in there.
But, who knows ? If so, I'd like to know and change my thought process .;):lol: Thanks, I appreciate you looking.

[presley31]

:hmm:I read Jerry's book too. Don't remember anything about the size of Graceland in 1977 in there.
But, who knows ? If so, I'd like to know and change my thought process .;):lol: Thanks, I appreciate you looking.

I'am to very curious about the size:hmm:

[Diane]

I am now too. I could have sworn it was just under 15 acres.:blink:

Diane

[presley31]

Presley's Graceland
By: Elvis Australia - Feb 18, 2004
Source: EPE

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Elvis Presley's Graceland
Elvis Presley's Graceland, 3764 Elvis Presley Boulevard (formerly known as South Bellevue Road/Boulevard), sits atop a hill in the suburb of Whitehaven, Memphis on U.S. Highway 51. It is around 8 miles south of downtown Memphis and the grounds stretch across 13.8 acres. Whitehaven was originally an unincorporated part of Memphis. It was later annexed by the city of Memphis

[EDOEP]

wikipedia says the following:

"Graceland grew from 10,266 square feet when originally bought by Presley to 17,552 square feet today."

and about the size during his lifetime:

"Graceland is the name of the 13.8 acre estate and large white-columned mansion that once belonged to Elvis Presley, located at 3734 Elvis Presley Boulevard in Memphis, Tennessee, USA."

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graceland

[Getlo]

wikipedia says the following: located at 3734 Elvis Presley Boulevard in Memphis, Tennessee, USA."

The house itself is actually 3764 EP Blvd. 3734 is the number used now for mail to Graceland and Elvis Presley Enterprises.

Useless trivia: when Elvis bought the house in March 1957, he was bidding against another party. He beat out the Memphis YMCA, who bid $35,000 for it.

Elvis paid $102,500 ($40,000 straight cash; a $55,000 cheque from the sale of the Audobon Drive house and a $37,000 promisory note carried by Equitable Life Insurance, at 4% interest). Naturally, Elvis paid it off it time, so didn't need to fork out that full total of $132,000.

[Suzan]

The house itself is actually 3764 EP Blvd. 3734 is the number used now for mail to Graceland and Elvis Presley Enterprises.

Useless trivia: when Elvis bought the house in March 1957, he was bidding against another party. He beat out the Memphis YMCA, who bid $35,000 for it.

Elvis paid $102,500 ($40,000 straight cash; a $55,000 cheque from the sale of the Audobon Drive house and a $37,000 promisory note carried by Equitable Life Insurance, at 4% interest). Naturally, Elvis paid it off it time, so didn't need to fork out that full total of $132,000.

True that.:D

[cameron]

The house itself is actually 3764 EP Blvd. 3734 is the number used now for mail to Graceland and Elvis Presley Enterprises.

Useless trivia: when Elvis bought the house in March 1957, he was bidding against another party. He beat out the Memphis YMCA, who bid $35,000 for it.

Elvis paid $102,500 ($40,000 straight cash; a $55,000 cheque from the sale of the Audobon Drive house and a $37,000 promisory note carried by Equitable Life Insurance, at 4% interest). Naturally, Elvis paid it off it time, so didn't need to fork out that full total of $132,000.
Yes, I know some of that trivia.
How many acres were bought with Graceland? I believe that's where some misunderstanding is coming in.
Thanks.

[Diane]

Sorry to have caused the misunderstanding about the acreage but I know I saw it listed at 14. acres somewhere???? Somebody help! I can't be the only one who saw this.:blush:

Diane

[cameron]

Sorry to have caused the misunderstanding about the acreage but I know I saw it listed at 14. acres somewhere???? Somebody help! I can't be the only one who saw this.:blush:

Diane


Suzan just told us Elvis bought the land where the airplanes are today. The same time he bought Graceland. :hmm:
I was just looking to find that So far..I haven't. No big problem IMO.

[presley31]

Suzan just told us Elvis bought the land where the airplanes are today. The same time he bought Graceland. :hmm:
I was just looking to find that So far..I haven't. No big problem IMO.

iWhere are the planes located??, l have never been to graceland so l don't know

[cameron]

iWhere are the planes located??, l have never been to graceland so l don't know

Across the street from Graceland and down a little ways.

[presley31]

Across the street from Graceland and down a little ways.

thank you, but elvis didn't buy that when he was alive, there was places accoss the street.

[presley31]

The Moores & The Presleys at Graceland


In March of 1957 Elvis' parents Vernon and Gladys Presley were looking for a larger and more private home than the one they and Elvis were living in on Audubon Drive. They found Graceland on what was then the outskirts of south Memphis. When Elvis returned from filming "Loving You", he went to see Graceland and also fell in love with it.

They put down a $1,000 deposit on March 19, 1957 and finalized the purchase on March 25th, paying a total of $102,500 for 13.8 acres of land and the 10,000 square foot home. Renovations soon began, including the building of the stone wall around the property and the installation of the musical-themed iron gates. (With Elvis' additions the house has 17,552 square feet of living space under the roof today. This does not include any outbuildings such as Vernon's office or the racquetball building.) Vernon and Gladys, along with Elvis' grandmother Minnie Mae Presley, moved in on May 16, 1957 while Elvis was still in Hollywood filming "Jailhouse Rock".

[cameron]

Yes, that's what most of us have all believed all these years .
I think Suzan had an interview to the contrary .

[presley31]

Yes, that's what most of us have all believed all these years .
I think Suzan had an interview to the contrary .

Look in this picture, unless elvis owned the stores accoss the street:doh:

[cameron]

All I can say is;
it would certainly change the history of Graceland.:hmm:
But, that's why we're here ..to learn. :D

[keke23]

I'm tellin yall, he never owned that land across the street.

It was CITY OWNED.

That's why there was a shoppin center there when he died.

[presley31]

I'm tellin yall, he never owned that land across the street.

It was CITY OWNED.

That's why there was a shoppin center there when he died.

Thanks for the infor l didn't think elvis owned that part.

[cameron]

I'm tellin yall, he never owned that land across the street.

It was CITY OWNED.

That's why there was a shoppin center there when he died.

Don't get excited, Lakeisha .;)
That's what we've all been told. If someone has something that says differently; we should all have a look.
Thanks.

[Suzan]

It was in an interview w/one of the guys, I want to say Jerry Schilling...I am looking for it, AND I'm NOT talking about the shopping center...good grief. And it doesn't change the history of Graceland folks, because Graceland sat and still sits on the original (when Elvis purchased it) 13.4 (or around that) acres...just under 14 acres. That's documented (for those that have the books) in many published books, acct.'s, etc...including the 2 official guidebooks.:D
Cameron, have I done something to you to cause you to act this way dear? ;)

Do some hunting folks, I can't do all the work for you, the info is out there....I'm telling you he bought addt'l land along w/Graceland and according to one of the guys he was upset upon his return from the army that he couldn't buy up more as it had already been purchased. :D

For those that may not know, Graceland was once part of a 500 acre farm.

I will ask one of my sources as well about the land purchase....in case it takes me or anyone else here who's willing to look, longer to find info.

[Suzan]

Here you go folks, straight from Graceland. ;)

In 1983, through a long-term lease, EPE acquired the shopping center plaza across the street from the mansion. From the time the plaza was built in the sixties, it had been a typical suburban strip shopping center. However, almost overnight after Elvis's death, it became an unsightly blemish of tacky Elvis souvenir shops, which carried mostly bootleg items not licensed by the Presley Estate. Upon assuming management of the shopping center property, EPE began policing the bootleg activities and began an overall facelift, while continuing to honor the existing leases of the plaza tenants. By 1987, all the leases had expired and Graceland began major renovations, which continue to this day. In 1993, Graceland purchased the property. Today, all shops and attractions in what is now known as Graceland Plaza are owned and operated by EPE. The land where Graceland visitor parking and the airplanes exhibit are located was already owned by the EPE. (Elvis had purchased it in 1962 and had never developed it.)

Also in one of the dvd's (Jerry or Joe) stated that he'd also purchased the land but they made it sound like it was @ time of Graceland purchase...I will look into this some more.:))

;) thankyouthankyouverymuch.:D :)

[cameron]

I have looked and looked, Suzan. And IMO, it would change the history of Graceland. In all the articles it states Elvis bought Graceland ; it sets on 13.8 acres. It says nothing about him buying any more land. So, naturally, I'd be interested in knowing if there was more land with that purchase.

You've done nothing to me that I'm aware of. I'm just interested in seeing if this is so. You told us you knew. Naturally, it would you I'd need to ask.
Thank you.

[Johnny]

...including the 2 official guidebooks.:D

Two official guidebooks??
:jawdrop:


Do you mean the two versions, the softback and the hardback; the ones in ShopElvis.com?


By the way, thank you for that wonderful info on the area

[cameron]

Here you go folks, straight from Graceland. ;)

In 1983, through a long-term lease, EPE acquired the shopping center plaza across the street from the mansion. From the time the plaza was built in the sixties, it had been a typical suburban strip shopping center. However, almost overnight after Elvis's death, it became an unsightly blemish of tacky Elvis souvenir shops, which carried mostly bootleg items not licensed by the Presley Estate. Upon assuming management of the shopping center property, EPE began policing the bootleg activities and began an overall facelift, while continuing to honor the existing leases of the plaza tenants. By 1987, all the leases had expired and Graceland began major renovations, which continue to this day. In 1993, Graceland purchased the property. Today, all shops and attractions in what is now known as Graceland Plaza are owned and operated by EPE. The land where Graceland visitor parking and the airplanes exhibit are located was already owned by the EPE. (Elvis had purchased it in 1962 and had never developed it.)

Also in one of the dvd's (Jerry or Joe) stated that he'd also purchased the land but they made it sound like it was @ time of Graceland purchase...I will look into this some more.:))

;) thankyouthankyouverymuch.:D :)

Sorry, all I see is that it was bought by Graceland {EPE} in 1993.
Thanks for your trouble.

[Suzan]

I have looked and looked, Suzan. And IMO, it would change the history of Graceland. In all the articles it states Elvis bought Graceland ; it sets on 13.8 acres. It says nothing about him buying any more land. So, naturally, I'd be interested in knowing if there was more land with that purchase.

You've done nothing to me that I'm aware of. I'm just interested in seeing if this is so. You told us you knew. Naturally, it would you I'd need to ask.
Thank you.

My above post Cameron comes DIRECTLY from EPE, he did indeed purchase and own the land where the aircraft now sit. :D And again on one of the dvd's I have (either Joe or Jerry, again will need to go thru them) stated that Elvis was going to buy addt'l land upon his return to Memphis from the army in 1960, they made it sound like he'd already purchased addt'l. land) however, again according to EPE he purchased the land across the street in 1962...this is what I will be inquiring about. Could be the dvd info is incorrect, but fact remains, Elvis did, as I stated previously, own the land across the street where the aircraft sit, verified above via EPE.:D

Jth, actually 3 Official Guidebooks, date of publishing as follows (I have all three):

Elvis' Graceland`1982 Frank Braden--forward by Priscilla Presley (can be viewed on my website)

Elvis Presley's Graceland`1984 (?) forward by Priscilla & Lisa (can be viewed on my website)--this was an expanded edition to the one above.

Elvis Presley's Graceland`publish date I need to lookup as is not written in the book===forward by Lisa Presley (can be viewed on my website). This is the one that has the red dust cover.

Also another very good Graceland book (sanctioned by EPE) is "Graceland, the Living Legacy of Elvis Presley" well worth the price I paid for it.:D

Oh btw Cameron, I don't think his purchase of addt'l land affects the history of Graceland, as that original acerage (at time of Elvis' purchase) remains the same....he didn't buy the acerage around it and then it was sold, that would affect the history, IMO. And maybe that is what the guys are referring to, that he wanted to purchase the land bordering Graceland (where the homes now sit) and couldn't because a developer had already done so by the time he returned from the army?

Graceland's history (IMO) changed a long time ago, when the original 500 acres were sold off by the prev. family. :)

[Suzan]

Sorry, all I see is that it was bought by Graceland {EPE} in 1993.
Thanks for your trouble.
That's pertaining to the shopping center dear, look under that the last paragraph in ( ).:)

I'm sorry, I bolded it, maybe it was missed by you?

Here it is again, I've left the other parts out.:D

The land where Graceland visitor parking and the airplanes exhibit are located was already owned by the EPE. (Elvis had purchased it in 1962 and had never developed it.)

[cameron]

I have Gracelands address too. Should have went to them in the first place.
Sorry I've caused you so much trouble. Thanks .

[Suzan]

No trouble at all.:D Your welcome...glad I could help you out.
It was a quick thing for me.:D Elvis owned that land since 1962 (where the planes sit today and the parking area.):D:D I'm glad I could clarify it for those that were unaware and that I had a tidbit that perhaps not to many knew.:D
I knew the city didn't own that land for quite awhile.:) I forget though when Whitehaven was annexed by Memphis because I don't believe that when Elvis moved there it was part of Memphis? Anybody know?

[EP75]

Here you go folks, straight from Graceland. ;)

In 1983, through a long-term lease, EPE acquired the shopping center plaza across the street from the mansion. From the time the plaza was built in the sixties, it had been a typical suburban strip shopping center. However, almost overnight after Elvis's death, it became an unsightly blemish of tacky Elvis souvenir shops, which carried mostly bootleg items not licensed by the Presley Estate. Upon assuming management of the shopping center property, EPE began policing the bootleg activities and began an overall facelift, while continuing to honor the existing leases of the plaza tenants. By 1987, all the leases had expired and Graceland began major renovations, which continue to this day. In 1993, Graceland purchased the property. Today, all shops and attractions in what is now known as Graceland Plaza are owned and operated by EPE. The land where Graceland visitor parking and the airplanes exhibit are located was already owned by the EPE. (Elvis had purchased it in 1962 and had never developed it.)

Also in one of the dvd's (Jerry or Joe) stated that he'd also purchased the land but they made it sound like it was @ time of Graceland purchase...I will look into this some more.:))

;) thankyouthankyouverymuch.:D :)

I never knew that EP purchased any land across from the mansion. That's news to me. However just because EPE supposedly said this does not necessarily mean it is 100% accurate. We as fans should know by now that Priscilla has been way off base on several accounts recalling her days at Graceland and EP's career. I would have to see proof such as a receipt for the land before I completely believe this.:hmm:

[Suzan]

I never knew that EP purchased any land across from the mansion. That's news to me. However just because EPE supposedly said this does not necessarily mean it is 100% accurate. We as fans should know by now that Priscilla has been way off base on several accounts recalling her days at Graceland and EP's career. I would have to see proof such as a receipt for the land before I completely believe this.:hmm:


Umm once again on dvd's stated he purchased land in addt. to Graceland and it's acerage.
I'm not a fan of Pris, but why in the world would they fabricate this?
Hunt away for the deed.:D
1962. And it was well known that they purchased the shopping center, the owner's of the shop were NOT happy, etc...they paid rent to EPE and EPE slowly squeezed them out, didn't renew their leases when they expired, nothing new info wise w/this.:D

I find it odd that some will take heresay, and things Sillerman supposedly will be doing, yet when EPE says they own land (and same people have posted that EPE has purchased addt'l land, approx. 100 acres, no ? asked) they ? this...:lmfao:

EPE has slowly been buying up land since the opening of Graceland, Sillerman is just finishing it up. ;) :D

[Getlo]

Good work Suzan, actually taking the time to find proof of something like this. More should follow your example. (y)

[EP75]

Umm once again on dvd's stated he purchased land in addt. to Graceland and it's acerage.
I'm not a fan of Pris, but why in the world would they fabricate this?
Hunt away for the deed.:D
1962. And it was well known that they purchased the shopping center, the owner's of the shop were NOT happy, etc...they paid rent to EPE and EPE slowly squeezed them out, didn't renew their leases when they expired, nothing new info wise w/this.:D

I find it odd that some will take heresay, and things Sillerman supposedly will be doing, yet when EPE says they own land (and same people have posted that EPE has purchased addt'l land, approx. 100 acres, no ? asked) they ? this...:lmfao:

EPE has slowly been buying up land since the opening of Graceland, Sillerman is just finishing it up. ;) :D

Suzan over the years, the past 30+ years, the news media has gotten so many things twisted and incorrect that the truth has practically been lost. Therefore EPE is not the EPE back then. Soden, Morgan and others were not around back then to know the true history of the mansion. So it is very, very possible that this information that they told you is misconcepted or misinformed. As Cameron said it would re-write the history of Graceland as we know it if that were the case. I'm not saying that you are wrong or lying. I am simply implying that there's something not making much sense. Why would EP himself purchase land from across the street and not purchase the land where the strip mall (now Graceland Plaza) was built later? Wouldn't that make more sense for him to want that land since it was lined up with the original land across from it?

Now, the situation with Bob Sillerman isn't hearsay or supposedly happening. He himself has stated, commented, and made it clear what IS about to happen with the new expansion project. It has already been clarified that it is going to happen and soon. That is why we who are aware of what FXS has in-store listen and believe it than we do from an estate that has been off on their information many times before in the past.

So my point is just because EPE says it doesn't necessarily mean it is true or accurate. Especially when it's about something done so many years before they became a corporation.

[Suzan]

Good work Suzan, actually taking the time to find proof of something like this. More should follow your example. (y)

Thank you. :hug: Yes that would be nice wouldn't it? :D

[Suzan]

Suzan over the years, the past 30+ years, the news media has gotten so many things twisted and incorrect that the truth has practically been lost. Therefore EPE is not the EPE back then. Soden, Morgan and others were not around back then to know the true history of the mansion. So it is very, very possible that this information that they told you is misconcepted or misinformed. As Cameron said it would re-write the history of Graceland as we know it if that were the case. I'm not saying that you are wrong or lying. I am simply implying that there's something not making much sense. Why would EP himself purchase land from across the street and not purchase the land where the strip mall (now Graceland Plaza) was built later? Wouldn't that make more sense for him to want that land since it was lined up with the original land across from it?
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Dear this didn't come from "news" media but from EPE and Elvis' friends who were THERE!:D
Therefore as well, Sillerman has been around even less so how would he know? And I beg to differ they are very well versed in the history of Graceland...and the archives are unbelievable, if they say Elvis owned the land then he owned the land there would be ZERO reason to lie about this.:) And it does not re-write Graceland history, not one bit, for the land is NOT attached to Graceland...:)
And perhaps he only purchased that lot because the other was not avail.????? That does happen quite often, matter of fact hubby and I were looking at land and we wanted the whole thing, but were told that the parcel next to it was not avail. at the time. :D And Joe (or Jerry) did state that Elvis wanted to buy up the additional land but when he returned from the army that option was no longer avail. to him and he was disappointed.

Now, the situation with Bob Sillerman isn't hearsay or supposedly happening. He himself has stated, comment, and made it clear what IS about to happen with the new expansion project. It has already been clarified that it is going to happen and soon. That is why we who are aware of what FXS has in-store listen and believe it than we do from an estate that has been off on their information many times before in the past.
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I see, so where is proof? Where are the deeds or the plans? By your own statements above, your going by his comments, what makes that different then believing EPE when they say something? And again, Sillerman had it handed to him EPE for years has been buying up land...100 acres, please look into that.:D

So my point is just because EPE says it doesn't necessarily mean it is true or accurate. Especially when it's about something done so many years before they became a corporation.
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And well then my point is ditto for Sillerman, just because he's said doesn't make it so. And hon EPE was a corporation in the 1950's, just revamped after they got rid of Col. and Elvis and Vernon's passing.:) THAT is FACT. :D;)
And again, Sillerman knows even less as he's only been involved for approx. 3 yrs. :) ;) Plus myself and few other's have shown that what Sillerman supposedly said before to be false. :D You can locate those in threads in this section.:)

[EP75]

Suzan I never said Bob Sillerman knew anything regarding what EP purchased in land. I was simply talking about his plans for tomorrow. Not something that happened 45 years ago. I believe Bob Sillerman's word because HE'S THE ONE FINANCING THE ENTIRE PROJECT!! Without his billions (or $250 million for the cost of the project) this project would never come to pass. By the way I wrote EPE last week asking them when we could expect renderings for the proposed visitor's center and all they would say was stay tuned for the latest news on this. Meaning that they have no control over when those renderings will be available to the public and media. CKX or as it now is known as, 19X will have that authority. I posted an article on this thread where it clearly states that there ARE drawings already but EPE and FXS wouldn't allow the media to view them just yet. Most likely because they are still in development and they need to fix some things, possibly upscale it even more. I saw an article that Lakeisha posted that Soden said that he's never seen anything small planned by Bob Sillerman, that every thing is larger and bigger.

The money is in place. They just have to wait for a few minor details to be ironed out and then we will see bulldozers and cranes hovering over Graceland while fans are touring the mansion.:)

[EP75]

Plus myself and few other's have shown that what Sillerman supposedly said before to be false. :D You can locate those in threads in this section.:)

Please be more specific on this. I have no idea what you mean by something Bob Sillerman has said to be false. Please explain this.

[Suzan]

Suzan I never said Bob Sillerman knew anything regarding what EP purchased in land. I was simply talking about his plans for tomorrow. Not something that happened 45 years ago. I believe Bob Sillerman's word because HE'S THE ONE FINANCING THE ENTIRE PROJECT!! Without his billions (or $250 million for the cost of the project) this project would never come to pass. By the way I wrote EPE last week asking them when we could expect renderings for the proposed visitor's center and all they would say was stay tuned for the latest news on this. Meaning that they have no control over when those renderings will be available to the public and media. CKX or as it now is known as, 19X will have that authority. I posted an article on this thread where it clearly states that there ARE drawings already but EPE and FXS wouldn't allow the media to view them just yet. Most likely because they are still in development and they need to fix some things, possibly upscale it even more. I saw an article that Lakeisha posted that Soden said that he's never seen anything small planned by Bob Sillerman, that every thing is larger and bigger.

The money is in place. They just have to wait for a few minor details to be ironed out and then we will see bulldozers and cranes hovering over Graceland while fans are touring the mansion.:)


And I don't understand what this has to do w/Elvis owning the land across the street per his purchase in 1962? Tomorrow is iffy, 45 yrs. ago is HISTORY, it HAPPENED, not about to happen.
So I tend to believe that, espescially coming from other sources along w/EPE of WHAT HAPPENED, rather then what will happen.
My point exactly, NOTHING is CONCRETE yet w/Sillerman...and though he has billions, I posted (from public records and what I was told w/my contact regarding the Zippin Pippin) Sillerman is NOT financing this himself, he has a Corp. welfare backing and the City of Memphis will foot some of this renovation, that to is FACT.:D

And NOTHING will be hovering over Graceland, please re-read Sillerman's responses, Lisa's comments and those of Pris, this has nothing to do w/GRACELAND THE HOME, but the SURROUNDING AREA. (y) Again that is FACT.:):)

Also EPE prior to Sillerman was doing just fine by way of earnings, perhaps they went as far as they could and the PARTNERED w/Sillerman to expand, but lets be fair and give credit where credit is due, shall we.:D He's been "in charge" and by his own acct. SELDOM gets to EPE, it's run as it has always been run....for what approx. 3yrs....EPE ( the one refurbished after Vernon's passing in '79) has been around almost 30 yrs....and if we're going to go back then 50 some years....;)

[EP75]

I thought you said your husband is a construction contractor? So you should know that cranes hover over large areas? Just because it's hovering over Graceland does not mean it will be on it's historical dirt. But it will be next door, approximately 100 yard or so from it as they build the dream museum and new attractions. That was my point.

And you ask what does Bob Sillerman have to do with something over 45 years ago? Well my question is what does EP owing or not owning land ave to do with the original thread? Nothing at all.

[Suzan]

I thought you said your husband is a construction contractor? So you should know that cranes hover over large areas? Just because it's hovering over Graceland does not mean it will be on it's historical dirt. But it will be next door, approximately 100 yard or so from it as they build the dream museum and new attractions. That was my point.

And you ask what does Bob Sillerman have to do with something over 45 years ago? Well my question is what does EP owing or not owning land ave to do with the original thread? Nothing at all.


LOL...I was asked a ? I answered it, some didn't like the answer, I showed proof, well that didn't sit well either so you tell me what all this has to do w/the thread?
But the land does pertain indirectly to the thread. :D Yes he is thank you for taking note...yes I am aware, but the way you typed and the way you've been wording things w/Graceland in it instead of surrounding area or EPE, I just wanted to clarify so as to not cause further confusion.:D And again, I will believe what is IN FUTURE when I see it and then I will be more ready to make any sort of factual comment. :D:D
And you addressed the prev. land purchase as well, I'm thinking the answer didn't sit to well. :(

[utmom2008]

:D:D What was the original thread? :D:D

[cameron]

I'm thinking ....Per Sillerman-"Graceland will no longer be a house tour" ?? But, who knows anymore ?

[Suzan]

:D:D What was the original thread? :D:D

:lmfao::lmfao: Per Sillerman: "Graceland will no longer be a house tour" and somewhere along the way someone said something about land, etc...I posted what I knew and some wanted proof (as they couldn't find it or whatever the situation was) and were asking so I posted the proof.

Either way, this is all in the future and as stated the topic of thread is misleading. :) It may become ENHANCED but no way that Graceland will cease to be avail. for tours. :D

[EP75]

This is becoming pretty comical. Some just can't grasp the fact that these changes are about (not down the road) to happen and very soon. If Bob Sillerman, Jack Soden, Priscilla, and Lisa had not publicly responded and clarified that the expansion was about to happen then I wouldn't have started a blog with up-to-date information regarding the project. If Bob Sillerman said this was something they "someday dream of doing" or better yet "on his wish list" then I would take it as a plan years down the road that could eventually fall through. But unlike most here, I read things between the lines. Here's some of the facts already given.

1)If this was just a proposal or idea on the table, then they would have never taken it so public as they did internationally and at the time that they did it (August 1, 2007) which was the first of EP Month for the biggest anniversary to date - knowing that the majority of visitors to Graceland during that period would be the long term die hard fans who always make up the big EP Week gatherings. He knew exactly what he was doing by waiting for that time to break the news of what was about to happen. Notice how EPE has yet to deny anything FXS has stated? LOL

2)If this was being put together by a small business type arrangement with a demand for high public funding, then I would give it 50/50 chance of ever happening due to financial issues. But because there is now clearance for the area to be a Tourist Destination Zone by the governor, and the support of Government funding without raising city and state taxes, I can see it happening and soon. Money is not an issue. Soden has even stated this.

3)From the news reports out of Memphis, the city of Memphis has apparently made the new revitalizing of the Whitehaven area where Graceland sits as their top priority for city improvements. That's a major sign that things are about to get rolling and soon.

4)The media has quoted Bob Sillerman on just how big the visitor's center will actually be - 80,000 square feet, bigger than a football field, and 7 to 8 times the size of Graceland mansion. You don't know the dimensions of a massive facility without having a serious study and master plan in place with blueprints and layouts if it's just wishful thinking. Another sign.

5)You don't make blueprints and layouts with dimensions unless you are actually planning to build something and within a certain amount of time. I know this for a fact. I used to work for a contractor when I was younger. You can have ideal drawings and renderings of your plans, but not the blueprints and dimensions of the facility you are planning on building unless you have a master plan in place, as is the case with FXS and EPE.

6)Bob Sillerman has mentioned that the building designer will be Bob Weiss of the award winning Design Island and who has built and designed facilities at Universal Studios, Epcot Center, and Disney World and at the Space center in Houston and the Rockefeller Center in NY.

7)EPE them self have posted in their news section in the past that these changes ARE coming and soon.

What other evidence and facts does a person need to see this is about to happen? There's not going to be any amusement park or rides at Graceland. I have no idea where some are getting that idea. There's not going to be a Disney effect. He justw ants it on par with Disney as far as major themed attractions go. There is however going to be a new hi-tech interactive museum and visitor's center to allow new fans and visitors to learn, experience, and enjoy the life and career of the biggest superstar and entertainer to ever walk this earth. EP fans should want that and embrace it. Not call it a tasteless or tacky plan. Especially when they have no idea whatsoever just what is being planned because they refuse to see it.

[Suzan]

Not disputing that at all...merely saying I will comment on the changes WHEN they happen and as it is 2-3 yrs down the road, I'm sorry by my definition that's the FUTURE. And as he's not given any plans, means NOT CONCRETE plans to give, hence SPECULATION and ideas.:)

[EP75]

Not disputing that at all...merely saying I will comment on the changes WHEN they happen and as it is 2-3 yrs down the road, I'm sorry by my definition that's the FUTURE. And as he's not given any plans, means NOT CONCRETE plans to give, hence SPECULATION and ideas.:)

Where do you get 2 -3 years that this will even happen?

[Suzan]

I read it someplace, that the expected changes won't take effect for 2-3 yrs....good grief and I going to have to go on another hunt? lol

[EP75]

Please show the link of that because everything I have read and heard come from FXS, EPE and Soden indicates that they plan on having it done within 3 years. In fact the Memphis news media reported that groundbreaking could begin on phase 1 very shortly. It's on my blog if you want to see it.

[Dominick]

FXS, EPE and Soden indicates that they plan on having it done within 3 years.

Uh, Suzan jus told u that !!! :doh:

[EP75]

Uh, Suzan jus told u that !!! :doh:

Welcome back King Creole. I see you have a new screen name now that they banned you from using the other.:lol:

[Suzan]

Please show the link of that because everything I have read and heard come from FXS, EPE and Soden indicates that they plan on having it done within 3 years. In fact the Memphis news media reported that groundbreaking could begin on phase 1 very shortly. It's on my blog if you want to see it.

Dude I just told you that and look at your response, you asked me where I got that from, good grief. :lmfao:

Here as there seems to be some confusion:


EP75 Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzan
Not disputing that at all...merely saying I will comment on the changes WHEN they happen and as it is 2-3 yrs down the road, I'm sorry by my definition that's the FUTURE. And as he's not given any plans, means NOT CONCRETE plans to give, hence SPECULATION and ideas.

Where do you get 2 -3 years that this will even happen?

And my response:

Suzan I read it someplace, that the expected changes won't take effect for 2-3 yrs....good grief and I going to have to go on another hunt? lol



Thank you Dominick.:D:notworthy

[EDOEP]

:D:D What was the original thread? :D:D

the original thread? strange phantasies of one member believing in only one very doubtful source, no matter what topic she or he posts about :D

hugs, ellie

[Suzan]

the original thread? strange phantasies of one member believing in only one very doubtful source, no matter what topic she or he posts about :D

hugs, ellie

Well said ellie!(y)

Hey where have u been? You back or just fly by? :D Miss you and your posts happy to see you back! :D

[EP75]

Dude I just told you that and look at your response, you asked me where I got that from, good grief. :lmfao:

Here as there seems to be some confusion:


EP75 Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzan
Not disputing that at all...merely saying I will comment on the changes WHEN they happen and as it is 2-3 yrs down the road, I'm sorry by my definition that's the FUTURE. And as he's not given any plans, means NOT CONCRETE plans to give, hence SPECULATION and ideas.

Where do you get 2 -3 years that this will even happen?

And my response:

Suzan I read it someplace, that the expected changes won't take effect for 2-3 yrs....good grief and I going to have to go on another hunt? lol



Thank you Dominick.:D:notworthy

No you were saying that the plans would not happen (as in start or begin) until about 2 to 3 years down the road. In which you considered that to be the future. I was referring to its duration of completion. The project will soon begin phase one and the overall project will take anywhere between 3 to 4 years to complete all phases. Phase one will most likely be the newly planned visitor's center and that should take around 14-16 months, depending on how big and how much steel and concrete will be required.

And no I do not have any inside information about when the groundbreaking will take place. I am just going by what FXS and EPE has stated. And from everything that has been reported and stated, we can rest assure it will be very sooner than later. Not 2 to 3 years down the road before we start to see change.:)

[EP75]

the original thread? strange phantasies of one member believing in only one very doubtful source, no matter what topic she or he posts about :D

hugs, ellie

Go back and re-read the original start of this thread and the articles that I posted links to and you will see there's nothing "fantasy" about anything I have posted.:D

And I think it's safe to call Bob Sillerman as reliable source as there is since it is HIS money being put into it.:lol:

[velasca1]

Are you guys seriously arguing symantics (2-3 years to start vs 2-3 years completion??)

[EP75]

Are you guys seriously arguing symantics (2-3 years to start vs 2-3 years completion??)


Unfortunately that seems to be the case doesn't it? I think it's becoming quite comical with all of the people living in denial about this.:lol:

[thehillbillycat]

True. He can't add to the house. However he does have the authority (providing Lisa agrees) to remove or change things that were not original to the home and grounds when EP lived there. Such as the trophy room which was the racquetball court. And he can add new things as long as it does not interfere with the house itself. For instance if he wanted to build a new barn or upgrade the existing one, he can do that. Or if he wanted to run a new walkway to the grave site or build a head cover over the grave area to shelter from rain, he could do that too. Anything is possible to add or build on the original grounds as long as it does not degrade or take away from the integrity of the home. He can also build amusement and theme parks using EP's name and likeness as long as it's in good taste and not degrading. All of this is in the official contract. I am banned from FECC and can't read it anymore (for reasons unexplainable and unfare) and I saw it posted over there back in May or June of this year. So if you or anyone feels like searching their database for it then do so and you will find it. It was part of the current deal made with Simon Fuller.

He can't add anything to the main property of Graceland. The property that Elvis original owns is part of the National Registry. All of that and Graceland can't be change what so ever. Also, he can't completely stop the tours since Elvis and family is buried on the property. I sincerly doubt that Lisa would let him stop the Graceland tours since fans wants to go their every year and see the place. That won't happen. He can buy as much of the property around Graceland he wants and build whatever he wants to on that property but he can't touch Graceland or it property it sits on. Period.

As for the amusement park. Yes, Elvis would loved the idea but not on his own property. Graceland was his world without the fans. That was his private life. Why ruined a good thing?

That is so stupid. As for people in Memphis. Well, I have talked to several people who lives in Graceland and one of my relatives who lives out side of Memphis. I have heard the same thing. They are ruined Elvis' image. They wouldn't go to the amusement park if their life depends on it.

[EP75]

He can't add anything to the main property of Graceland. The property that Elvis original owns is part of the National Registry. All of that and Graceland can't be change what so ever. Also, he can't completely stop the tours since Elvis and family is buried on the property. I sincerly doubt that Lisa would let him stop the Graceland tours since fans wants to go their every year and see the place. That won't happen. He can buy as much of the property around Graceland he wants and build whatever he wants to on that property but he can't touch Graceland or it property it sits on. Period.

As for the amusement park. Yes, Elvis would loved the idea but not on his own`property. Graceland was his world without the fans. That was his private life. Why ruined a good thing?

That is so stupid. As for people in Memphis. Well, I have talked to several people who lives in Graceland and one of my relatives who lives out side of Memphis. I have heard the same thing. They are ruined Elvis' image. They wouldn't go to the amusement park if their life depends on it.

I think what Bob SIllerman was implying is that the main attraction itself won't be just the hom as is the case today. 99% of the visitors go there to see the home mainly. SOme like to participate in the whole experience thing. Otehrs just pay to see the home. He wants it to be more than just that. he wants it to be a celebration of the life and times of EP. Not just a famous home where people go to sightsee.

Bob Sillerman himself said that it will not be turned into an amusement park. But it will have a thematic appeal to it that is on par with Disney and Universal. For those who don't know what that means, it simply means a theme of attractions. The "Disney" comment has nothing to do with turning EP into a Mickey Mouse type character. Anyone with a right mind would already know this. It's just an example of the world's biggest attraction as Disney is and how he wants to see Graceland reach that type of level and appeal to reach to more than just fans.

I agree with you on the amusement park thing. I too would be totally 100% against any roller coasters or ferris wheels dangling over or behind the mansion. I do think an EP theme park in Las Vegas would be the ideal location.

[Suzan]

He can't add anything to the main property of Graceland. The property that Elvis original owns is part of the National Registry. All of that and Graceland can't be change what so ever. Also, he can't completely stop the tours since Elvis and family is buried on the property. I sincerly doubt that Lisa would let him stop the Graceland tours since fans wants to go their every year and see the place. That won't happen. He can buy as much of the property around Graceland he wants and build whatever he wants to on that property but he can't touch Graceland or it property it sits on. Period.

As for the amusement park. Yes, Elvis would loved the idea but not on his own property. Graceland was his world without the fans. That was his private life. Why ruined a good thing?

That is so stupid. As for people in Memphis. Well, I have talked to several people who lives in Graceland and one of my relatives who lives out side of Memphis. I have heard the same thing. They are ruined Elvis' image. They wouldn't go to the amusement park if their life depends on it.


Well said and something I've been saying for quite awhile, but save your breath this person is bent on crawling all over Sillerman, etc...and doesn't seem to grasp the whole historical registry, and look at my posts, he/she then says the same thing they were disclaiming when I posted, it's quite seriously comical. If you let him/her talk enough, you'll notice they contradict themselves and then backtrack and say what you've been saying all along.;) :D :lmfao: Enjoy the show, it's worth the price of admission.:D

[EP75]

Well said and something I've been saying for quite awhile, but save your breath this person is bent on crawling all over Sillerman, etc...and doesn't seem to grasp the whole historical registry, and look at my posts, he/she then says the same thing they were disclaiming when I posted, it's quite seriously comical. If you let him/her talk enough, you'll notice they contradict themselves and then backtrack and say what you've been saying all along.;) :D :lmfao: Enjoy the show, it's worth the price of admission.:D

I am really getting tired of your constant arrogant and egotistical obnoxious behavior on here. In case you did not know the rules simply say DO NOT START ARGUMENTS which you are the number one person doing the most of that. Maybe you should learn how to read before you go bashing others views and opinions.

I am the most criticized poster on this forum and still I do nothing to deserve it. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.:'( I even try to make peace by creating good thoughtful threads like the one about my hometown and EP performing in it. I didn't see you or King creole (now banned and under a new alias) criticizing that one as you do this one or anything that my personal opinions are a part of. Why not? Or was there nothing for you guys to yell about to grab more attention to yourself?(n)

And I am sick and tired of you and a few others (and they know exactly who they are) always referring to me as a she. In case you did not know, I posted a picture of me and my girl to let everyone know that I was a HE and not a SHE. He or she as you like to put it is nothing but instigating arguments when you know good and well I am not a SHE and have proved it and I do not appreciate being called that.:angry:

There's a saying treat others as you would like to be treated. Try that some time. That goes for all the others on here that love to instigate arguments. If you will notice, I never ever attack a single poster for no apparent reason unless I was attacked first. In other words, I don't go to someone else' thread and bash their thoughts or views on certain issues as you guys do me.

GOOD NIGHT:mad:

[Suzan]

I am really getting tired of your constant arrogant and egotistical obnoxious behavior on here. In case you did not know the rules simply say DO NOT START ARGUMENTS which you are the number one person doing the most of that. Maybe you should learn how to read before you go bashing others views and opinions.

I am the most criticized poster on this forum and still I do nothing to deserve it. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.:'( I even try to make peace by creating good thoughtful threads like the one about my hometown and EP performing in it. I didn't see you or King creole (now banned and under a new alias) criticizing that one as you do this one or anything that my personal opinions are a part of. Why not? Or was there nothing for you guys to yell about to grab more attention to yourself?(n)

And I am sick and tired of you and a few others (and they know exactly who they are) always referring to me as a she. In case you did not know, I posted a picture of me and my girl to let everyone know that I was a HE and not a SHE. He or she as you like to put it is nothing but instigating arguments when you know good and well I am not a SHE and have proved it and I do not appreciate being called that.:angry:

There's a saying treat others as you would like to be treated. Try that some time. That goes for all the others on here that love to instigate arguments. If you will notice, I never ever attack a single poster for no apparent reason unless I was attacked first. In other words, I don't go to someone else' thread and bash their thoughts or views on certain issues as you guys do me.

GOOD NIGHT:mad:

Excuse me? It is you, this post as example, who start fights, I am merely STATING MY OPINION. You in the last 3 nights have called SEVERAL people names, myself included, if you don't like my opinion fine, don't respond, quite simply.:D
I've said what I've said regarding Sillerman, EPE, etc..you have called me names, you have ? then turned around and said EXACTLY what I said and now this? Look thru my posts, I am DISCUSSING the topic, unlike yourself. So please, don't project your actions onto me, thank you kindly.:D
As nobody has a pic of themselves posted, I say he/she if I don't know, now if the person sent me a pm or we've talked and tells me if they are he or she, that's a different matter. ;)

Go back on topic please.

This won't happen for several years, will comment when it does.:D

Have a peaceful night.:)

[EP75]

This is exactly what I am talking about. I only come back at you or someone else ONLY BECAUSE YOU FIRST CALLED ME NAMES AND ATTACKED ME. Show me where I came out of nowhere to attack you or anyone else? Please do show me. Because I know and the moderators now know (I sent them a letter) that I am the victim here, not the suspect.

And you are once again wrong about the expansion. But time will prove my theory correct and you all can eat crow when it does. As I will be honored to serve it to you.:)

[Suzan]

This is exactly what I am talking about. I only come back at you or someone else ONLY BECAUSE YOU FIRST CALLED ME NAMES AND ATTACKED ME. Show me where I came out of nowhere to attack you or anyone else? Please do show me. Because I know and the moderators now know (I sent them a letter) that I am the victim here, not the suspect.

And you are once again wrong about the expansion. But time will prove my theory correct and you all can eat crow when it does. As I will be honored to serve it to you.:)

I reported you calling me and several other's names 3 nights running and hon YOU show ME where I called you ANY NAMES...you make yourself the victim, nobody else, please don't project your actions and reactions onto me.
Look thru my posts I've ONLY EVER ADDRESSED THE TOPIC, then look thru yours WITHOUT EDITING THEM, and the truth is right there. :D:D

No kindly leave me alone and stop ranting at me and calling me names.

[presley31]

come on guys can we get back on topic

[Suzan]

This is exactly what I am talking about. I only come back at you or someone else ONLY BECAUSE YOU FIRST CALLED ME NAMES AND ATTACKED ME. Show me where I came out of nowhere to attack you or anyone else? Please do show me. Because I know and the moderators now know (I sent them a letter) that I am the victim here, not the suspect.

And you are once again wrong about the expansion. But time will prove my theory correct and you all can eat crow when it does. As I will be honored to serve it to you.:)

SHOW ME, please where I called you a name? Your forever the victim when you call other's names first....and now look at your last sentence, threatening me and other poster's? And your the victim? Ok whatever buddy...

Oh believe me the moderators have been notified of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR POSTS calling me and other's names, EVERY SINGLE ONE and quotes of their posts to show NOBODY directed anything at you, YOU choose to see something in a post that is not there, YOU go off topic, YOU name call, YOU threaten, then you report INNOCENT people to get them banned, believe me I have every quote by you, and their quotes and ALL show YOU to be the culprit NOT the victim, a role you seem to love, that tells me you are the one who NEEDS AND CRAVES attention. Once again am kindly asking you to cease and desist from addressing me, calling me names and threatening me....I can't say it any simpler and DO STAY on Topic! :D:D Thank you.

No once again, Sillerman CAN'T EVER touch Graceland, EPE has already bought up land, 100 acres, Elvis owned the land where plane now sits since 1962, all Sillerman can do IN THE NEXT 2-3 YRS (see my original post regarding all this) is expand the land already owned and build on that COMMERCIAL LAND, again I cannot comment on FUTURE construciton until something is submitted BY SILLERMAN'S own acct. HE CANNOT DO SO AT THIS TIME due to NO CONCRETE plans, therefore, speculation and heresay at this point, when this goes into effect then people will be able to make a more educated opinion. I have said this over and over. :D:D:D:D:D

[Jumpsuit Junkie]

Yet another thread ruined by TWO People who cannot get along (n)

Seriously folks this has got to stop.

Be advised DO NOT TAKE THIS ARGUMENT TO ANOTHER THREAD!